During one of the services I attended in the NJ location, I heard the pastor warn members about the internet being the tree of knowlege of good and evil because “mother said if you eat of it you will surely die”. I aksed one of the members for clarification on this and she told me that members have stopped attending the church because of lies that are spread on the internet. So I asked, how does that make the person dead? She replied, that if you stop coming to the church, you are then considered spiritually dead. I’m not sure that I’m buying that explanation but many there are accepting it as true.
T. H. says
I have been persecuted as well. I must be the true Church for I have been persecuted just like Jesus Christ. I have taken up my CROSS and followed him. Why doesn’t this church have crosses in or on their churches? I know why, it’s because they want to remove anything that will remind their member of the true way to salvation. This is the same reason why they don’t want their members to celebrate Christmas. Oh they have made up their own reasons for these things such as the cross is an offensive object used to kill and the roots of Christmas are pagan. Whatever. Christmas replaced the pagans holiday and gave us Christians a day to declare our happiness for the birth of our Savior. Don’t believe the teachings of the WMSCOG as regards to these things. The only thing that makes sense is that they are removing as much of Jesus and the one true God as they can in order to make their filth seem like truth.
First and foremost, i apologize if i sound rude. There is one thing i must assure you here, the WMSCOG does not stop people from questioning, in fact, they have bible studies where people start to bombard them questions. I am quite certain you have heard about the media interview towards the WMSCOG. There, the reporters were stumped at their answers because there is evidently no other truth other than what they talk about. You are not the first to have posted things about the WMSCOG and will not be the last, but should you slander them without seeking the truth, i think it’s not being fair to them. You might not have tried, maybe you could have bombarded them the questions you have posted here. i am very sure, every single details, would all be answered.
thank you.
Thanks for your post. I do not mean to sound rude either, but neither I, nor anyone I know, have ever heard about this media interview with the WMSCOG. When did it happen? Could you please tell me the date it was aired, the station, and what program it was on? Is there a record of it somewhere?
Secondly, I take exception to your accusation of “slandering”. I’m sorry if I sound rude, but this is not a term you should toss around lightly, and so I think perhaps I should explain why you should be careful using it. Slandering is the same as defamation, or making “false statements”. This is a very serious charge, and one that has legal implications. That being said, the above article is not defamation for the following three reasons: 1.) the quotes from their web site are truthful and actual quotes as cited. 2.) my opinion of those quotes is covered under the “fair comments and criticism clause” of free speech law. 3.) the event described above actually happened.
Now, you can see why your charge of slandering is actually without basis. One should be able to voice their opinion about an actual personal experience, without being falsely accused of malicious behavior. All I have done in this article is say what my experience was, quote from their official sermon, and stated how I can not reconcile it with Scripture. That is hardly “slander”.
In regard to your latter point, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but my questions have not been answered, and they indeed have been asked of members. Again, here on this site, they are asked and are available for anyone to freely refute. I, myself, can not reconcile the Scripture verses above with the WMSCOG preaching I heard both in person and on their web site. Can you?
laureen ncube says
i believe and i want to know more and i will be baptized soon and am in zimbabwe.
How familiar are you with the WMSCOG doctrine? How many studies have you done with them? What in particular did you hear that made you decide? Do you know the time commitment involved? Have you asked them if there is a monetary commitment involved? Have you compared them to similar organizations? Have they told you that the end is near and do they tell you when that will be? I do not advise been baptized by any church until you are familiar with their beliefs and who it is that they worship. It would be best for you to make an informed decision. The WMSCOG teaches many things that, in my opinion, deviate from mainstream Christianity. They also teach things that, in my opinion, are blasphemy, and clearly go against the Bible. They believe that their founder was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, however here you can read some of what their founder writes and how it contradicts what is in the Bible. Also, remember that Jesus Christ gave us warning against false messiahs that would come in His name. He warned us not to be misled because His Second Coming would be at the end of the world and unmistakable. This obviously, has not happened yet. The Bible also tells us that salvation is found through no other name than Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12), but the WMSCOG prays not in the name of Jesus Christ, but in the name of their founder. To me, this is a very clear warning sign that something is not right.
One of the more alarming things to me about the WMSCOG to me though is that they worship a Korean lady whom they believe is god. This Korean lady (her name is Zhang Gil Hah) is also the chairwoman of the International We Love U Foundation, however that site makes no mention of any claim to divinity. See for yourself here. This is a very serious red flag to me. My friends in the WMSCOG are always talking about how people must keep the Passover and feasts to be saved. Well if that is true, then why do they keep them on the wrong dates? Or even more alarming, how come Zhang Gil Jah doesn’t say anything on the International We Love U Foundation’s web site? That doesn’t seem very loving to me.
In all, the similarities between the WMSCOG and other controversial groups such as the Unification Church (the moonies) are too great to leave one comfortable. As you can see, the story of their founders is very similar.
The truth can always stand up to questioning Laureen. My recommendation to you is to read the articles in our Evidence section to see for yourself what the Bible teaches vs what the WMSCOG teaches. Please feel free to ask any other questions through our Contact form, or here on the comments section. We would be happy to help.
May God bless you in your search for the truth, and please let us know if you have any other questions.
Naoko says
I lost my daughter to this group.
They told her not to believe anything on internet.
She does not listen to us (my husband & I). She even said that her minister was her dad. How can we bring her back? She’s been with them only 3 months and brainwashed so quickly.
They forgot when God asked job where he was before God formed the earth…
Precious says
God told Isaiah, My ways are not your ways. Neither are my thgohuts your thgohuts. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thgohuts than yours. I always thought that was God saying to us, Don’t hurt your feeble little brain. Just let me figure it out for you. Just keep doing what you are doing Pastor. We are with you, because we believe that you are with Him!
annonomous says
When did Jesus Christ ever claim to be God? He simply quoted verses that proved his prophesy being true. Only those who have an ear can hear, and those w/eyes can see.
Welcome annonomous and thank you for commenting. If Jesus Christ never claimed to be God, then why was He put to death? Perhaps you are scanning the Bible for where Jesus says “I am God”, but that’s not how Christ spoke. Jesus made many claims of divinity. To cite just a few:
John 10:30: Jesus says, “I and the Father are one” John 5:39-40 Jesus says, “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life”. Matthew 26:64-65 the high priest himself attests to Christ’s claim of divinity: “Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, ‘He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.”
Annonomous, Jesus clearly says that He and the Father are one and that you can go to Him to have life.
Did Ahnsahnghong ever claim to be one with the Father or Jesus Christ? Did he ever claim that people could go to him to have life? If so, please provide evidence from his own writings. Thank you and may God bless you.
Katie says
Thank you Admin for this response. Very well said and so true!
You will be condemned for replacing And comparing Jesus will angsanghong
Katie says
This is an EXCELLENT resource for me and my family as we try to combat my brother’s continual insistance that the WMSCOG is the way. Can you help me find where Ahnsahnghong’s writings are? Can I order them somewhere so I can be more prepared? Do you have more of his falsities debunked? If so can you pass them along? This site is a real help to me and I really appreciate you taking the time to help. I am curious, why did you get involved with this process of disproving them?
Thank you for your kind words on our article. Yes, the WMSCOG says that their founder Ahnsahnghong was the second coming of Jesus Christ, but not only does Ahn makes no such claim in his writings, but he actually contradicts the Bible as you read above. Now, how can God contradict Himself? It simply isn’t possible. So either Scripture is right or Ahnsahnghong is right, but it can’t be both.
As to finding Ahnsahnghong’s books, you can usually only get them from a WMSCOG “church”. They are quite hard to come by, but they can be had. We get our copies from former members. If you live in Korea, then Ahnsahnhong’s books are available from the public library.
Why did we get involved? There are many reasons. You can read our mission statement here, but in short, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe that the WMSCOG preaches blasphemy.
Devlin says
How can I get a copy of ASH’s books? Can you send a copy via email?
As to finding Ahnsahnghongâs books, you can usually only get them from a WMSCOG âchurchâ. They are quite hard to come by, but they can be had. We get our copies from former members. If you live in Korea, then Ahnsahnhongâs books are available from the public library.
We do not have permission to re-distribute the books, but pertinent portions are periodically cited on this site in our research which is covered under the copyright fair use clause.
Devlin says
Thanks..
Reina says
While I was reading your writings , I thought that I should to tell you this verse.
Matthew 22:29 ” Jesus replied, ” You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God “
That is a great verse. Can you please be more specific about which verses you believe I am in interpreting in error? I would like this dialogue to be constructive.
Thank you.
Reina says
The bible clearly testifies about Heavenly mother.
(Rev 22:17) The Spirit and the birde say “come” And let him who hears say, “come” whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
In the last days the Spirit and the Bride give us the water of life which is eternal life. So we can understand the Bride is God Almighty.
Our Heavenly mother !!!
Thank you for your response. I am very interested in debating this topic. Here are some comments on the points you raise:
1. The bride in Revelation 22:17 clearly refers to the church, and not to any “mother god”, because the Bible everywhere refers to the church as “the bride”. This was pointed out in the original article above.
So your task with Revelation 22:17 is to demonstrate why the term “bride” in this verse does not mean “church”, when everywhere else in Scripture it is constantly used as a metaphor for the church. As Ahnsahnghong says in The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life, “we must let the Bible interpret the Bible”. Interpreting this verse here as anything other than “the church” does violence to the metaphor used throughout the Bible, as well as Ahnsahnghong’s own directive.
2. Ahnsahnghong says what he believes Revelation 22:17 means in “The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life” in Ch 35, on p. 473 when he writes:
The interpretation of Rev 22:17 is that Jesus, who cried out on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles 1,900 years ago, will come again in the flesh and cry out. – Ahn Sahng-Hong, The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life, Ch 35, p. 473
So, on the one hand Ahn Sahng-Hong, the man the WMSCOG claims is the second coming of Jesus Christ says it means one thing, and on the other hand, your argument says it means something else. Do you see the problem?
Ashnsahnghong says that Rev 22:17 refers to “Jesus Christ”, and the argument you raise says it refers to a “heavenly mother”. I guess if we want to follow Ahnsahnghong, I’d have to say he has already proven that argument wrong. So if we want to listen to Ahnsahnghong, then Rev 22:17 refers to Jesus Christ and not to any “heavenly mother”.
is that it? I’m sure there are other verses in the bible that proves your opinion, right? If not, f*** off and get out of that damned church because the next thing you know, they will be ordering you to commit suicide when your “mother” died.
DavidsOffspring says
The WMS Church of God has not ever predicted the end of the world. The bible tells us that the end of it’s prophecy is in 2012, but we do not know the time or day of the end. The last day will come “Like a thief in the night”.
Thank you for reading the article and leaving a comment.
I think that you should ask your WMSCOG pastor regarding this one. Ahnsahnghong seems to have indeed predicted the end in 1988 and there is a pamphlet that is said to have been distributed by members of the church when it was called “Ahnsahnghong’s Witnesses” which you can read here.
But I am curious, what makes you say that the “bible tells us that the end of it’s prophecy is in 2012”? Do you arrive at this calculation the same way that this pamphlet does? If not, I would be interested in the verses and calculations you use to arrive at this number.
Hope to hear from you soon.
jjtripolee says
I don’t think he has a response to that. Sad that members can’t defend their belief but desperately hold onto it.
g says
Answer: 1844 was the fulfillment of atonement day according to the 2300 days and nights consecration of sanctuary.. during the first year Moses went with Israel God established the feasts. Atonement day was appointed 7th month 10th day of the fIrst year comI g out of egypt. It Took 168 days until first day of the second year from coming out of Egypt that they finished the sanctuary.. the mission of the church is the great gathering to take place in the last days. Bible says God people make up the spiritual material for the heavenly sanctuary.. bible prophecies show when all Gods people have gatherd in the last days this heavenly sanctuary will be finished.. now a day in prophecy is fulfilled as a year in history.. from atonement day to completion of the temple was 168 days.. so 1844 adding the 168 years adds to 2012.. did you understand? Maybe not…
We covered those calculations in this article here. So does that mean that you believe the world is going to end in 2012. There are only a few months left. What do you plan to do when nothing happens this year?
Gail says
My prayer is that all from WMS will come out of their blindness and find the only true God and Jesus Christ. Time is short. Jesus wants all who are miserable, blind, naked and lost to find him. Satan is the father of all lies. If you believe these delusions, then you will also bow before the antichrist when he comes with his signs and wonders in the end of days. Wake up before it’s too late.
How can you possibly say that ? HOW ? Do you not see the END OF WORLD FLYER on the first page of this Website ? Do you not see the GREEN BOOK changes article. Do you not see the Ji Won Tak lawsuit article ? Bury your head in the sand and go worship this fake deity and don’t forget (they won’t let you) to give em all your money. So obviously fake, it’s not even debatable.
Henjenim says
above statement seems true you cannot Denise that we were taught that world would end in 2012 put your hands on your heart don’t tell lie ok.
I agree. Plus God can do whatever She wants lol she cannot treason against herself lol. There has never been a date when the world will end. Nobody knows. Love you Mother!
No one will ever be able to grasp this spiritual concept of how out gods have to come in the flesh just to reteach their lost brothers and sisters god has not said one thing about the end regardless of proving anything to anyone the one who keeps calling on Jesus follows nun of his ways or teach whole heartedly we all should check carefully within ourselves and still ask our self have I been seen blameless in the lords eyes we know this is the last days the time we live 1 day to god is 1,000âyears so whatever you choose to believe ask your self do you have the seal of god and will you enter heaven when the dead and the living is raised we a sinful beings tht over look ourselves
Gimmieabreak says
Well that came and went đ
DavidsOffspring says
You just have a misunderstanding. Nowhere in his books, or sermons does Ahnsahnghong indicate that the bride is the church. In no way, shape, or form does that interpretation of the verse make any sense. A bride will never mean a church. Not now, not tomorrow, and not ever. If you want to discuss this more, we can. But first, read about the Heavenly Wedding Banquet in Matthew 22, then Rev. 21 followed by Galatians 4:26.
It says Jesus will come in the flesh again and cry out.. that is followed by a verse in John stating “Your word is truth”. Jesus was crying out the truth. When Jesus cried out at the Feast, he was teaching about the truth (John 7). When he comes a 2nd time, he will cry out the truth. Meaning, he will teach about the truth, crying out for his children. John 1 states that God’s children are not born of natural descent, or human nature, or a husband’s will.. but born of God.
Hello DavidsOffspring and thank you for commenting.
You stated “Nowhere in his books, or sermons does Ahnsahnghong indicate that the bride is the church”. But in the above article you can see the direct quotes from Ahnsahnghong’s books where he describes the bride as “the saints who are redeemed can be called the last Eve” on page 55 in “Visitors From The Angelic World”. This is Ahn saying that the bride is the church. Do you have a copy of the book that you can reference so that you can see it for yourself?
You stated “A bride will never mean a church”, yet Scripture is replete with exactly this metaphor. For instance 2 Corinthians 11:2-3:
2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpentâs cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. – 2 Corinthians 11:2-3
29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church — 30 for we are members of his body. 31 âFor this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.â 32 This is a profound mysteryâbut I am talking about Christ and the church. –Ephesians 5:29-32
Clearly the church is referred to as the bride in these verses. Note that Paul says “your minds” when speaking to members of the church.
Now, we are quickly bringing in a lot of additional verses. I would encourage you to mention these as separate posts in our forum so that we can further discuss each one. I would be very interested in studying the arguments in more detail so we can clear up any misunderstanding. As a quick follow up though, in regard to Galatians 4:26, please see this article, and for the wedding banquet in general I would recommend this article.
Also, please specify which verses in Revelation 21 you are referring to.
You stated, “It says Jesus will come in the flesh again and cry out.. that is followed by a verse in John stating…”. Can you please expand on this more?
It would be helpful if you could start a separate topic for each of your points in the forum. That way we can address each of the points accurately and the focus of the questions will not be lost.
Hope to hear from you soon.
MountainMom says
My son who is a member told me a year and a half ago that the COG members did tell him the world was ending in 2012. Afterwards, he denied it, saying that some members had “incorrectly” preached that date. However, about the same time, two other members told my daughter in law that the world definitely was ending in 2012. When she said what would happen if it didn’t, this hard core member told her that if it didn’t happen the church should put a lock on the door and bar entry. He was that sure. I would like to know now what this member would say if asked. Bet he lies!
Devlin says
Mountain Mom, I saw your blogs on jaime’s blog website. I saw several references to the cult watch website and ended up here. I’m glad I found all of you. How is your son doing?
My son just joined the group and I’m doing everything I can to get him out. Thank you too for referencing Hassan’s book – I just ordered a copy. I am looking for all the help I can get.
This is new to us. Do you know how they calculated the 2018? Our friends in the WMSCOG are still saying 2012.
Devlin says
I’m going “IN” and will be prepared with all my questions – especially all the ones I’ve read in all the blogs. And I will confirm the 2018 year.
I’m so thankful for your group and your determination to expose their lies. I’m sure there are so many others out there that we can help – I will do my best to not only save my son but those I come into contact with in his group.
Devlin,
I suggest you review the Angels Before series of articles to prepare in addition to what you have already read. There is a wealth of info in our Evidence section that I hope you will find useful.
Carlos says
Thank you for helping me to open my eyes. This people knocked at my door just a few weeks ago and I made the mistake of letting them enter my home. Thanks to pages like this and other similar I’ve visited I’ve realized that this “organization” is not a church at all, and that this kind of manipulation represents a serious risk for all of us: mankind.
Hello Carlos,
Thank you so much for your kinds words of encouragement! Please warn everyone you know so that they can have the opportunity to make an informed decision like you did.
Devlin says
I’ll keep you in my prayers, friend. Just know you are not alone. Please take care of yourself and your precious unborn child. May the Lord give you strength and courage to find your way. God bless you.
ttr says
Your courage to raise this child in spite of your parents’ current mindset is a testament to your love for the Lord, and an encouragement to us all. I wish that others, including myself, were as strong and as loving as you. May you be richly blessed in all that you do, and may God keep you and your baby safe.
Thank you for sharing your story. You will be in my prayers. Remember, you are not in this alone. There is always help out there when times get tough, whether it comes through friends, or even official charity groups through a legitimate church. Eventually your parents will come around–I’ve seen it before. Feel free to contact me through the forum on this site if you need anything. I mean it.
God bless you for doing the right thing. Stick with the Lord even in tough times, and He will take care of you (remember Job).
Henry says
Hello there, I am a member of the church of God and firmly believe that God Elohim is Ahnsahnghong and Zang il Yah. Not because they claimed to be but because there is more than enough evidence in the bible that prove it. 2000 years ago Jesus comended peter for correctly recognizing him, it was a prophesy that in these last days there will be speculations about the appearance and correct recognition of the spirit and the bride, but just as Jesus was prophesied in the bible, so were the spirit and the bride, from whom Jesus said we should receive the water of life from in the last days. I will repeat what necodemus the pharisee said “leave the church of God alone for if it is from man it will fail, but if it is from God, you will only find yourself fighting against the Almighty Elohim. Seek spiritual Wisdom my friend and find understanding only from God, through the scriptures that testify about him, so you may come to him to receive life. GBU.
Hello Henry and thank you for taking the time to comment on the site đ
Just as an FYI, among the contributors to this site, there are former members who have experienced first hand what it is like to be a involved with the WMSCOG. I will be writing to you from that perspective. With that said, it is interesting that you mention that you believe that ” Ahnsahnghong and Zang il Yah” are elohim ” Not because they claimed to be…”. Do you have any info on them claiming to be god or divine in any way? I have searched through ASHs books and cannot find anything to support that. I also cannot find anything in ASHs books to support that he thought that Zhang was the “bride” or “mother” either. If you could give me some direction on that I would appreciate it.
Also, you said “in these last days there will be speculations about the appearance and correct recognition of the spirit and the bride”. In Revelation 1:7, I note that John says “every eye will see him [Jesus]”. The notion that all people will see Jesus when he returns is supported by Matthew 24:27. Will you please point me to the verses that point to “speculations” about being able to recognize Jesus when He returns? I would be very interested in taking a look at them.
Henry, can you explain why you believe that Acts 5:38-39 applies to the WMSCOG? The WMSCOG was not even around when this was written, so there’s no way it can apply to you. Keep in mind also that this verse very specifically says “in the present case” which is referring specifically to that case. In many other places, the Bible tells us to rebuke those in error (Leviticus 19:17, 2 Timothy 4:2, Galatians 6:1, etc), and recall that the angel in the book of Revelation corrects people who have gone off astray after false teachers (Revelation 2:14-16). So here we have Scriptural evidence of correction of people holding to false beliefs, which is what this site is doing, in accordance with the Bible.
Besides, I think we both agree that people like Jim Jones and Sun Myung Moon were false prophets right? The government was not able to stop Jim Jones from ordering 900 of his followers to commit suicide and he obviously wasn’t of God. Sun Myung Moon went to prison for tax evasion and his cult called the Unification Church which is very much like the WMSCOG is still around. Does that mean that he is of God too because he’s still “successful”?
GBU too and looking forward to hearing from you soon.
truthwillsetmefree says
hi I am the one who wrote this months back…since then ive had my son who is healthy and happy, and my relationship with my family has improved immensly. ive gone back to collage fulltime to become a nurse. I am happy and feel good about these particular areas of my life. still, however, my experience with wmscog has left me with very deep emotional scars and a negative attitude about religion and…. even christianity in general…..i haven’t said one prayer since after I spent those 3 days googling everything I possibly could-good and bad- about wmscog…i used to pray to God often before I met them. and when cog came into my life I was praying, but I’m so confused as to whom I was praying to in the first place. to this day I’m so embarrassed that I could ever fall for this kind of thing…i can’t confide in my mother, sisters, best friends…no one! I am too ashamed. this experience (so far) has proven to be the most unhealthy experience I’ve ever had so far in my life. i am not fluent or even comfortable with the bible. besides a few quotes and stories that even an atheist could spew. and at this point I dont even know if I want to try….this sounds terrible I know….but I am on the brink of madness of the mind. I’ve been suffering quietly and I can’t relate to ANYONE I know or meet. they all seem to be comfortable in their beliefs and I would never put anyone down for that but I am SO screwed up right now its not even funny. thank you guys for your kind words I really appreciate it. if you know any books, people, or places I can visit while I have the summer off, i would really be grateful for that as well…besides the bible or a church or anything that will sway my thoughts in a particular direction. for the first time in my life I’ve been thinking for myself, and not being the kind of person who will fall into anything. if I do choose to believe in something I’d like it to be my idea..
Hello truthwillsetmefree! So glad you stopped by to comment. Speaking to you from the perspective of a former member, I understand what you are going through emotionally and spiritually. I think that the first step in your recovery is to understand what happened to you. You need to realize that this was not your fault and that it was your great qualities as a person that made you a target for recruitment. From the research that I have done, in the process of my own recovery from my experience with the WMSCOG, I understand that these groups seek out the young, presentable, smart and energetic to further their own agendas. They met you at a very vulnerable point in your life, having been shunned from your family and newly pregnant. The WMSCOG may have appeared as a great support system at first, so it made sense that you went along with their demands in the beginning. Now on to your recovery. You are halfway there because you decided to leave the group! I think many WMSCOG members may not have the courage to do what you did. I remember it being a stressful time for me when I had to make the decision to leave the WMSCOG, but the contradictions were too great for me to ignore. I think that a lot of the newer members are really well intentioned people looking for a greater purpose in life that just don’t see what they have gotten themselves into yet. Hopefully they will open their eyes to what’s really going on there soon! Don’t give up on your faith in God! God will not let go of you either :). I wanted to recommend this book that I hope you will find helpful. Here is the amazon link: Recovery From Cults: Help for Victims of Psychological and Spiritual Abuse.
truthwillsetmefree says
thank you so much for your words. and thank you again for your book recommendation. i’ve placed my order for this book as well as the one mountain mom provided for me and i will let you know what i think of the read
Sumiyah says
Hi. Somehow I came across your article. And I read it. And I’m … [moved by admin to the forum for further discussion]
Emil says
Hi Sumiyah. I have replied to you in the forum. Kindly click the link Admin has supplied to your comment above
Sumiyah says
Hello again. My apology to this girl… [ this comment was moved to the forum by the admin for further discussion
Hello.
We would love to have your participation in the forum. It would be a wonderful opportunity for you to clarify various misconceptions we may all have about your church.
Why waste your time bringing back something that never existed when you can play video games that have religious leaders as the villains, like final fantasy?
MountainMom says
Hi Truthwillsetmefree, I applaud your courage at leaving this destructive cult. You are a survivor. It is true that smart, energetic, good people can fall prey to this kind of organization, so do not feel like something is wrong with you because you were pulled into it. Because my son was involved in the COG, and I was completely devastated by this, I attended the International cultic studies association conference in New Jersey last year. It helped me understand and cope so much better than I was. It really saved me. If you can get a chance to go to something like that or read Steve Hassan’s book, “Releasing the Bonds” you will understand better why this happened. They really like to target the best and brightest, and they have such a polished approach
truthwillsetmefree says
thank you so much Mountain Mom, i just ordered releasing the bonds on amazon, looking forward to reading it too. i hope this helps; ive got nothin else to lose. correct me if im wrong, but i think ive read your posts before…have you posted on that really long thread with like 5 or so years of debate on the wmscog? i dont know if it was you or someone with a similar name and testimony….
MountainMom says
Hi,
Yes, I am the one from the Jaimie is Blogging site. My son has been in the COG for three years now. I didn’t know he was in it the first year because he was so far away, and I thought he was going to a mainstream church. He didn’t tell me anything about how different it was. I don’t know if I will ever get him out, and when I visited a few weeks ago, he was obviously so upset and depressed with his life. Tried to get him to open up and talk, as I felt it was a vulnerable time where he might be open to revealing doubts, but that went badly. He is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He actually told his wife that (not me). I think what has happened is that he is so unhappy that he cannot even preach for them right now because he would not be showing the fake “happy face” that is so necessary. Anyway, he has been home much more often the past five weeks my daughter in law said, and I am pretty sure that is why. He also hurt his back (probably working at the church since he won’t tell us how) and he can’t do very much labor now. Well, I better not go on and on. Good luck with everything, and I know that book by Hassan will help.
truthwillsetmefree says
Mountain Mom, im sorry about your son. but you know, he sounds a lot like myself a year ago when I started seeking the truth on my own, and saw the contradictions. I became very depressed and I widthdrew from friends and family and wouldnt mention anything about church or religion anymore. unless it was a mere attempt to ward anyone off who was trying to mock my beliefs I would just recite familiar quotes and verses that were so brilliantly etched in my mind. like I said, I still wont talk about my experience to friends or family. but I was fortunate to bounce back with the birth of my son. well I pretend im alright, anyway. the fresh start of being a new mom took the spot light away from the cog. your son could possibly be in transition and is too upset to talk about it just yet. thats the positive side to his condition, sadly. more than anything, I really hope during his time at home he finds healing and truth in family and love.
ps. im still waiting for that book to be delivered!
MountainMom says
Hang in there. You ARE alright. Your courage and your beautiful little boy will carry you through this. I hope that the people in this forum will also provide some support that you need. We care.
I hope that at some time you will talk to your family and friends about your experience. But for the grace of God, it could happen to any of us. My son was a popular, bright, athletic, motivated person, and a very critical thinker. No one could convince him to do anything unless he decided on it. Now he has handed over every major decision in his life to this group. They must be the very pinnacle of a polished deceptive approach.
abhishek says
if bible testifies her as God The Mother will u belive her? at the first coming of jesus they call him as man son of joseph . at last they killed him. cannot he came in flesh? first of all know the truth then only u can belive her as God
abhishek my brother i know you very well you read steve hassan mind controlling technique BITE model you know every thing. your mind is store full of WMSCOG. read and know the history of WMSCOG. you will better understand.
@abhishek ..theres no bible which you can find the name zahng gil ja. if ever there is then thats a new bible of WMSCOG. look abhishek, your brain is damaged, better look for a Psychiatrist
Devlin says
Dear ex-member,
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It’s comforting and encouraging to know that there is hope for all. It’s great that you realized their teachings were all wrong.
MayMay says
Thank you so much for your story. It took me a while to find information about this church. I mainly found websites that only refuted the claim that Ahnsanghong and the WMSCOG was a cult, especially on ask.yahoo.com and “prove ahnsanghong”websites, which weren’t enough to convince me that prophecies I was learning were misconstrued. Thus, I continued to stay in the church. Now, just as Paul was sharing the gospel and the listeners were commended for their efforts to check the scriptures, I knew I needed to check the scriptures myself as I was learning. It really makes it hard when the preachers from this church refer to several verses which are considered to be “mates” to one another. By the time you read every verse in context, you may have read 1/4 of the bible! I was in college with a busy schedule, so checking the scriptures proved to be lengthy process. Also, I was in the church for nearly 8 months, so it took a while to get through all of the lessons. When I found this site a few weeks ago, I referenced the contradictions myself, only to find out that the lessons I learned were indeed lies and misrepresentations of the bible. I was ultimately left with a spiritual scar and a lingering cloud of guilt. Reading experiences like yours has surely been a catalyst for the healing process. It is sad that we have to spend a considerable amount of time to “learn” these things in the bible, only to befriend those in the church and devote our savings towards tithing.I just mustered enough courage and evidence to tell the sisters I would not like to return to their church. Of course they said the same: you cannot learn on your own. Now, from your experience and others, I now know the meaning of being “armed with the word of God”:1st John 2:17, and whoever seeks Him will find Him. Despite a relentless argument, I have made my point to them. Thank you and God bless!!!
Thank you so much for your comment here. It is true what you say, that the WMSCOG jumps around all over the Bible when trying to make a point. When you take a step back and think about it, you can make the Bible say anything you want using that method!
Thank God, you were able to see for yourself the Scripture-twisting that occurs. Many do not take the time to look at the verses in their proper context, and spend years devoting time and money to this group before they realize what has happened.
Thank you so much for this awesome site! My daughter is deeply caught up in this in New York right now, and our family is in crisis. Any suggestions you have as to how we can approach this would be welcome. Even though I’m a committed and serious Christian with a very good knowledge of the bible and Christianity, I am not well prepared to deal with this.
Hello Jeff and thanks for commenting!
I hope that you find information that is helpful to you on the site. I am so sorry to hear about your daughter. Please check out why your family member may change. If your daughter has been involved for quite some time and you have discussed your concerns, you need to understand why it is seemingly impossible for your daughter to let go of the group. We will talk via email soon :).
We are in San Antonio at our freshly dealing with this ourselves at the University of Texas at Dallas these people need to be stopped
Shouldn’t be that easy to step onto a campus and lead people astray
Arthur says
The number of WMSCOG members that continue to come to my door to tell me that I am not a “true” Christian has begun to “ruffle my feathers” (which is a much nicer way of saying something else :smile:). I grew up in a Baptist family and went through a number of years of discipleship training and intensive bible study in order to become closer to God. Now, I haven’t prayed or attended church in twelve years, I did agree to meet with these members, as I was in a place in life in which I needed to mature spiritually and I thought that this was what the WMSCOG was going to provide me. After I arrived, I was ushered into a room in which two members placed a book of “evidence” in front of me, in which they are telling me that attending church on Sunday was actually praising the pagan sun god and that everything that I was taught years ago was wrong. Now, being someone who likes to get to the heart of such matters (i.e. through studying, discussion, and research) I asked if I could take this booklet home in order to perform my own research in order to determine the validity of their statements. I was told that because I was not a member that I would not be allowed to take this “evidence” book home and that the end of the world is coming.
My biggest question that I had for them was how this Korean man could possibly be the second coming of Christ, especially since the Bible (as I recall) states that the day Christ returns a number of different situations will occur: Firstly, the day that Christ returns, the a trumpet will sound and all eyes will look up to seek Christ returning. Secondly, the Bible specifically states that the dead will be resurrected and brought before God to be judged, and thirdly, all Christians will be “taken” by Jesus (also known as the day of rapture). So, after hours of arguing and and spouting Bible scriptures to me, I finally left. I did not leave any contact information and I did not give them my address. What I have come to realize (even after doing some research) was that there was something seriously wrong with this church. I hope that you have begun to seek solstice in the Bible and found a church that provides you the spiritual foundation that you need. I am still looking for my own and have realized that I am not only in this endeavor. Thank you all for the opportunity to voice my concerns regarding WMSCOG.
Thank you for your comment. You are exactly right concerning the signs at Jesus’ Second Coming. This is exactly what we have pointed out in our Bible study Was Ahn Sahng-Hong Jesus Christ?. In addition, there are numerous other contradictions in their teachings.
There is definitely something seriously wrong with a religious organization when they will not let “outsiders” review their teaching materials. I’m glad that you got out and weren’t tricked by their Scripture-twisting. Many people are taken in by their revisionist history and Scripture-twisting and spend years giving this fringe organization their money and time before they realize the mistake they’ve made.
Thank God you weren’t sucked in. Many are not so fortunate.
archangel says
I am currently researching them……When I came across them at my school I studied with them. They started talking about the “father and mother”…this was very new to me. There are many things they say that dont make sense or add up right. After two studies they were like “you must be baptized”. I went and was like okay because I didnt like or feel the way I was baptized as a kid was the proper way. Then it got even worse. I heard them say the name Ahnsahnghong. I was very confused about this and my doubt grew deeper about them. I figured it was the Korean translation for Jesus but it isn’t. I asked about the name Ahnsahnghong later. I asked them and they said who it was but the more they try to explain, he is not who they said he was and thus lied to me. Fortunately for me, I studied on my own in order to prove to myself that Ahnsahnghong is not “god” and never accepted their explanation again. They will read Bible to you and explain something totally different. The connection between their studies and Scripture is off. A lot of the things they say are true regarding the Bible, but that is where the deception comes in too. The devil knows the Bible very well and will quote it, so watch for this. The devil uses the Bible as a weapon to deceive the person and take him down too…know your Word people.
MountainMom says
I have heard several similar stories about the Pastors of COG churches telling members to marry Korean women. In a COG church in Naperville, I heard that this happened, and that the Pastor was the one who recommended this. I also heard about one where the “Mother” supposedly told a fellow to marry one of the Korean women. My husband attended the Naperville Church with my son one Saturday (to see what was going on because we were concerned). He met a guy who apparently had just gotten married to a Korean lady there because, as we heard it, the Pastor said he needed to so he could grow spiritually. My husband said this guy didn’t look happy with his wife at all. She could hardly speak English, and when they literally bumped into each other in the hallway, they looked at each other, but didn’t even speak.
I do believe this is a ploy to get them citizenship, and to have marriages so that it is even more difficult to leave the church.
MountainMom says
The Pastor at the Ridgewood,N.J. Church of God, Daniel (aka Dong Il) Lee, is President of Bigshine Worldwide, Incorporated. There is no transparency in the church concerning finances. It makes a person very suspicious of where all the money they get is going. Pastor Jacob (aka Jae Hoon) Lee, of the Naperville, Ill, Church is the secretary of Bigshine Corporation. Interesting.
Anon says
I was approached by these folks at my APARTMENT today (which was a little upsetting, seeing as how it’s a gated community and I have no idea how they got in). You are right, the entire time they proselytized they did not mention what church they belonged to, but repeatedly referred to “God the Mother.” I had to Google some of the stuff they said after they left to know who they were and know exactly why I don’t want to meet with them next week for the “appointment” they cornered me into. Thanks for this site, very educational.
Hello Anon,
I am so happy to hear that you were able to find our site before you met with the WMSCOG recruiters for your “appointment”. Unfortunately, there are some people that have not been as lucky. Read more on our Former Member Testimony page. Thank you for reading our site and commenting.
Eli says
This website is so full of [word removed by admin] seriously .
I see you left an unhelpful comment. I would like to ask you why you are of this opinion? Have you read through any of the articles in the evidence section? Can you refute any of them? I look forward to your reply.
Pammie says
Thank you very much for all of this information. My daughter and her best friends have joined this church and I have been looking for information to let them know this place is not right.
truthwillsetmefree says
thanks everyone for you concerns ill definitely be looking into those readings you’ve suggested and Eli, id love to hear more from you. you cant just leave us with that. please elaborate. i wont bash you or be rude, like a few of the sisters had been more then unpleasant to me… there is just too much evidence that proves your beliefs wrong just as you guys seem to have all the right answers countering “normal” “christian” teachings. im just at a point where i feel like i dont want to believe in anything so from here on its fair game. whoever has the obvious winning argument has my soul to save……
karey says
Thank you so much for this website. It is very enlightening. I got involved with this group and did some studies with them. Many of the topics I studied seemed very amazing and everything appeared to be genuine combined with their seemingly thorough knowledge of the bible. What I found strange was the second coming of Jesus as my limited knowledge of the bible said all eyes will see Him when he comes again.I also discovered that my knowledge of the bible was very minimal so I decided to read the bible on my own chapter by chapter to confirm everything I had studied. But between work and parenting young children and housekeeping the bible reading pace was very slow and in between I got bombarded with more studies. This site has really done a lot of the research and I wish I had found this much earlier. Well done and I hope many others will find this useful.
Diane says
I noticed that this organization has many contradictions of the bible. I recently broke up with my boyfriend, who I love dearly because of this church. He had only been attending for 3 weeks and is already so heavily involved in the bible studies and worship service. The doctrine that he is being taught, does not line up to my Christian beliefs. We had plans to attend an event on a Saturday next month and he cancelled on me because he said he would be in church all day. So, I asked him does that mean he will never make himself available to me on Saturdays and he told me he’s sorry, but he is not able to make plans on Saturdays. That really hurt my feelings. It’s like he’s being brain washed. Just because a member shows him scriptures in the bible and explain it in his interpretation of what it means, he believes it. I know many of you are former members of the church. What can I do to help him to understand the real truth? I do want him back, but not as long as we have different spiritual beliefs.
Thank you for your comment. I am very sorry to hear of the situation between you and your boyfriend. I am also very sorry to hear about him getting so heavily involved in the WMSCOG. I imagine you have probably already seen him progressing along the 20 steps of indoctrination. The best thing I can offer you besides the articles in our Evidence section is to join the Former Members World Mission Society Church of God Facebook group where you can speak with other people in similar situations. They will be able to best help you navigate the back-and-forths you will experience as you move forward in trying to get your boyfriend to follow Jesus Christ.
Diane says
Today I sent my guy encouraging scriptures because he is going through a difficult time financially. He told me to stop sending him things on religion. I was a bit shocked by his comment since we are both Christians. Now, since he attended bible study with me at my church this past week, he is telling me I frown upon his religion and will not attend a bible study with him. It’s interesting how he calls it his religion if we both supposedly study Christianity. Even though I broke it off with him recently, we got back together. Religious differences is seriously a deal breaker for me, regardless of how much I care for him. Should I attend one of these bible studies since he came to mine? I honestly don’t want to go and I don’t know how much longer we’ll be together. He even challenged me about not following the Sabbath and the fact that I attend church on Sundays. I feel sick in my stomach just thinking about sitting through hours of the teaching at his church.
MountainMom says
This is exactly the type of thing they have done to divide my son and his wife. She is a non-believer, so they kept him at church all they could, week after week till midnight or even later. It makes me feel like they think there were doubts in his mind, and they use this tactic all the time to stymie those doubts and the voice of reason. I think this would qualilfy as “alienation of affection” which is against the law in Illinois. I wonder if they know that.
MountainMom says
Diane, I am so sorry this church has control over your boyfriend. Educate yourself all you can on this group, keep contact with him, and hopefully, you will be able to get him to look at some information eventually. People do get discouraged, people do open their eyes to their manipulation. There is hope. My son has been in three years, but he did make what I consider a huge admission to my husband yesterday. He actually confirmed that some people in the church are not happy. He would never admit that before, and I know that they always have to put on the fake “happy face” no matter what while they are there. My son definitely isn’t happy. Hang in there with your boyfriend. There are success stories.
Diane says
Thanks for the feedback. I will continue to try to shed some light in his life and be a positive example of how to live a Christ led life. Maybe then he will see my happiness & prosperity and come to church with me more. It’s hopeful thinking. I just don’t want to leave him in darkness.
nick says
You ask others to provide “historical evidence” for their claims, yet you base this rather large accusation on a blog from a website that has three or four paragraphs? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?
No, actually this was based on personal experience. Thanks for your comment. I have updated the article to include this, and also to link to a copy of the pamphlet that the WMSCOG distributed concerning this topic.
At any rate, I take it you have not been in the WMSCOG long? When I was there, there was an entire sermon dedicated to this topic.
nick says
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nick says
Actually I asked my Pastor about this after searching for hours on the computer for any evidence of this and he seriously looked confused when i told him that people were accusing Christ Ahnsahnghong of predicting the end in 1967(?) and in 1988 also. That pamphlet is the only thing close to being credible except for the fact that there’s no date or even a mention of the WMSCOG, although it does spell Christ Ahnsahnghong’s name wrong…it seems like someone tried to interpret the Bible themselves and taking matters into their own hands made pamphlets to try and warn others.
Thanks for commenting on the site. Â We really appreciate the opportunity to dialogue with WMSCOG members.
Here is the translation for the bottom of the flyer so you have the date:
Feast of Tabernacles Evangelism Event
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Date:Â 9/25/1988 – 10/2/1988
Place: ChoongNam YunKiGoon JunEuiJin
Phone: (0415) 63-3624
Time: 5:30am, 10:30am, 3:30pm, 8pm
I guess that you don’t know that the WMSCOG did not always go by that name. Â They used to be called Church of God, Association of Ahnsahnghong’s Witnesses. Â The name was changed some time after his death. Â Did you know that there is another “Church of God” that follows Ahnsahnghong’s teachings? Â It is called the “New Covenant Passover Church of God”. Â I have spoken to an elder there that informed me that they believe in Ahnsahnghong’s teachings and pray in the name of Jesus (feel free to call them at the number listed on their page). Â According to the elder at the NCPCOG, Ahnsahnghong prayed to Jesus and baptized in the name of Jesus as well. Â The NCPCOG does not believe that Ahnsahnghong was the second coming of Jesus but instead call him teacher or prophet. Â You can see all of Ahnsahnghong’s books (in Korean) and listen to some of his sermons on their website http://www.ncpcog.com. Â Here is the link to the book that Ahnsahnghong wrote regarding his 1988 (see p. 10, 17, 24, 26) and 2012 (see p. 16) predictions. After you click the link, you will have to give it a second to load. http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html Hope this helps.
ed144 says
yes so much for their teachings about the name church of God being fulfilled for 40 years another lie about there history.
ed144 says
The koreans know all about the NCPCOG and if you ask them about it they will not have much to say in regards to ther combined history. After 14 years I never knew the NCPCOG existed. I asked if ASH had any childern and they said no another lie. they pretend to know northing they are full of lies and deception and I could tell you 50 lies I have heard over the years.Do you think God lies? fyi koreans spell their names backwards and forwards thats why the name seems to be differant.
nick says
Also what was included in that sermon you heard about 1988 had to be predicted to fulfill the prophecy of Jonah?
I’m surprised that your pastor is confused about Ahnsahnghong’s 1988 prediction since it is recorded in his own book here http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html. Maybe you should forward the link to your pastor. I remember that the pastor at the location I attended claimed that since Jonah warned the people of Nineveh that destruction would come to them in 40 days, Ahnsahnghong predicted the end would come 40 years after he was baptized in 1948. But interestingly, the earliest publication date of the book where Ahnsahnghong makes his prediction is 1980. That means that he officially warned the people of S. Korea only 8 years before. Therefore, Ahnsahnghong did not fulfill the WMSCOG’s self-manufactured “Jonah’s prophecy”. Since the WMSCOG did not expand to the United States until 1998-99, Ahnsahnghong did not bother to warn the rest of the world either. Needless to say, the world did not end in 1988, even though Ahnsahnghong predicted it.
nick says
Thanks for the translation but I’m not finding anything on the internet to back up your claims, maybe if i could read korean that would help haha…by the way have you ever been taught prophecies like the 7 feasts or 2300 days?
You’re not finding anything on the internet to back up my claims? I just sent you a link to Ahnsahnghong’s own writings. lol. You can ask someone who speaks Korean to translate it for you, or you can wait for the English translation, which the NCPCOG informs me they are working on. No, I have not been taught the prophecies of the 7 feasts or 2300 days that you speak of, but there are plenty of other ones already debunked in our Evidence section.
The fact that you don’t know such INCREDIBLE prophecies pretty much proves that you never spent much time towards giving the Church a chance. I highly encourage you to go back and ask to be taught more before you make a website dedicated to ripping on something you don’t know that much about…and there are no contradictions in the Bible. Sure to someone who lacks an understanding of how the Bible works would say there are contradictions but there is none…please for the sake of your salvation give Father Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit another chance!
Actually Nick, I spent over a year at the WMSCOG studying. I just never got to do the two 6-hour or so long studies that you are referring to. Â The contradictions that I was referring to were NOT in the Bible. Â I was referring specifically to the contradictions in the WMSCOG Bible studies. Â For example, the belief that humans were angels before. Â If you take the time to read the series on the Angels, you may see what I mean. Â There are over 20 contradictions in our Evidence section. Â I also could not ignore the fact that Ahnsahnghong misquotes the Bible. Â Does God make mistakes?
nick says
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Adam says
If you havenât done the longer studies like 6 day creation, the feasts, 7 churches, or anitchrist, then you obviously havenât been in the church for too long. All of these explain many historical events that have happened since the time of Jesus, yet they were written hundreds of years before they occurred. They prove completely why there are so many churches out there, doing disgusting things in the eyes of God. For example, worshipping the sun god unknowingly, erecting idols, and celebrating pagan festivals. By the way these were all things recorded in the old testament that happened to the Israelites which are happening again. Also, Christ AhnSahngHong never said a date when the world will end in ANY of his writings. He just urges us to keep Passover before it happens.
Adam, please elaborate on the statements you make. It would be helpful if you included some historical or Biblical references so that our communication is clear. I would like to be considerate to our readers and make it a little easier for them to follow the dialogue.
That being said, did you read the article above where I provided a link to Ahnsahnghong’s book where he does predict the end of the world in 1988 and 2012? Here is the link again: http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html. See pages 10, 17, 24 & 26. The site is a bit slow, so give it time to load.
In the article there is also a link to a pamphlet that was circulated by the WMSCOG when they were known as the Church of God, Association of Ahnsahnghong’s Witnesse, that warns the people of S. Korea about the end of the world in 1988. Ahnsahnghong’s own writings about his apocalyptic predictions are out there and the WMSCOG still denies that the predictions were ever made. What will it take for you to stop ignoring the inconsistencies and hypocrisy between what Ahnsahnghong actually wrote and what the WMSCOG teaches?
Adam says
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Adam says
Heb 9:12 speaks about the first time God entered the most holy place (to pour out the Holy Spirit on the apostles) He has to do it again according to the prophecy of the feasts. Moses receiving the ten commandments represents Christ being preached to the gentiles. Moses breaking the tablets because of idolatry represents the Church being plunged into the dark ages due to them not following God. The second time Moses received the tablets, shows that the truth must be restored (starting in 1844).
The first and greatest commandment is not having any other gods before God. This is loving God through Passover as all gods are judged. There are many instances in history, recorded in the Old testament, where leaders would break down idols in God’s temple after celebrating Passover. God describes them as loving God with all their heart, soul, and strength as they pleased Him by destroying the detestable thing that stood in between God and his people.
Also, falling into Satan’s temptation is sin, that is why we are here. Both Jesus and AhnSahngHong explain that there are intentional sinners, and unintentional.
Jesus began teaching in the temple courts halfway through the feast. Jesus always preached in his free time…
Lastly, Rom6:23 explains that sin leads to death. Everyone on earth dies. Everyone is a sinner. Righteous people aren’t on earth. They are in heaven.
STOP taking ting out of context and leading people astray. Obviously, you haven’t studies much and decided to rip on facts that you were confused about without actually seeing what scriptures said. I didn’t include scripture to support my claims because I don’t want to argue with you. If you want me to take the time, I can write them all down so everyone can see how you are desperately trying disprove something in fear that is absolute.
In response to Hebrews 9:12, it states that Jesus entered the “Most Holy Place once for all”. You state that, “He has to do it again according to the prophecy of the feasts”. Â Please provide Biblical support for this.
Please provide Biblical support for the following statements as well: Â “Moses receiving the ten commandments represents Christ being preached to the gentiles. Moses breaking the tablets because of idolatry represents the Church being plunged into the dark ages due to them not following God. The second time Moses received the tablets, shows that the truth must be restored (starting in 1844)”.
Please provide Biblical support for your second paragraph regarding the Passover being the first commandment.
As far as people sinning intentionally and unintentionally, the point being made here is that Ahnsahnghong states that those that sinned unintentionally were “unjustly accused…and hurled to the earth”. Â Ahnsahnghong is saying that there were sinners in heaven that were falsely accused, but punished anyway. Â This contradicts the Bible, because God is just (Deuteronomy 32:4) and all-knowing.
You stated that “Jesus began teaching in the temple courts halfway through the feast”, but Ahnsahnghong states in The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life on p. 465 that “Jesus Christ went up to the temple and preached every day during the Feast of Tabernacles,⊠-p. 465″.  So you two are not in agreement.  John 7:10 even tells us that “…after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret“.  Therefore, if Jesus was traveling to the feast “in secret“, then he was not preaching on His way there.  It can not be both.  You might also be interested in this former member’s testimony to see what a WMSCOG pastor’s response was to the same question.  I would appreciate your input on this.
Romans 6:23 is not addressed in this article. Â Did you mean to post about this under a different article?
Adam, I would appreciate it if you were not disrespectful in your comments.  How do you support your accusation that I am “leading people astray”?  How do we and our readers know that it isn’t you that is doing just that?  In the Biblical Misinterpretations section, we have pointed out numerous verses that the WMSCOG takes out of context and you have yet to refute one.  Lastly, I am not desperately “trying to disprove” anything out of fear.  I know that it must be difficult for you to imagine that there is even a shred of inconsistency in what you have been taught by the WMSCOG.  I also had the same difficulty when I first started having doubts.  We all have choices to make.  Are you in complete control of your own choices and decisions?  If you take a step back and really look at the material with an open mind, I am confident that you will do the right thing.  The truth can always stand up to questioning, and if it can’t, then it simply isn’t the truth.
Isaac says
Adam, I totally agree with you. This article shows the writer’s ignorance about Bible and the truth. He interpreted what the scriptures say by his own way, which cannot be acceptable.
I would recommend anyone who doubt about Christ Ahnsanghong and WMSCOG to visit here; http://wmscog.org.
It will show you correct answers to your questions.
Isaac thank you for commenting.
Your response though, just shows another example of how members of your organization cannot refute any of the blatant contradictions between your founder and the Bible. Instead you make empty statements like “He interpreted what the scriptures say by his own way”. That means nothing. Other members have done the same as we have pointed out here. Show some actual Biblical proof to back up what you think is an error. And by the way, we have visited your site and it’s let’s just say, less than impressive. Your organization has over a dozen sites with the same exact repetitious ramble all over the internet. Just because you say the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. But then again, that’s how you learn your scripted Bible studies…countless hours of repetition, repetition, repetition.
ttr says
round and round we go…
ladies and gentlemen, please observe the circular reasoning of WMSCOG members:
WMSCOG: “you can not use your own mind to interpret the Bible”
You: You’re using your own mind to interpret it.
WMSCOG: “No i’m not, I’m using God’s”
You: How do you know that person who told you they were God is really God?
WMSCOG: “Because they fulfilled the Scriptures, so they have to be God”.
You: How do you know they fulfilled the Scriptures?
WMSCOG: “Because it says right here in the Bible…”
You: You just used your own mind to interpret the Scriptures!
It’s self-defeating. I don’t know why you can’t see that at some point you used your own mind.. either to interpret the verses, or to assent to them being your god.. and if your own mind can be wrong, it could have been wrong when you gave them your allegiance.
In my own opinion… I think Ansanghong misinterpreted the Bible because he is Korean and MIGHT not be that good in ENGLISH. What is not funny about this is that his followers have actually deceived people who are well-versed in English.
@Isaac .. if you cannot cure your ignorance and will remain with your group till your last breathe, you’ll be sorry in the life hereafter. This site gives you all proofs about your group and about your korean human gods. Should you prefer to be blind and not open your mind, intelligence and wisdom, you will be with your gods in hellfire, alive forever burning. Know what is there in the second life. There’s no more death, for human beings die only once. In the 2nd life, if you’re destiny is hell then you’ll be there alive eternally. WMSCOG site is a site for ignorant people who don’t use their common sense.
Dear Adam, God bless you Brother! Let’s go to Heaven!!!!! Satan leads the whole world astray, children of God must remain firm, God bless you, God is pleased with your confidence in the truth! Amen
Cole, you may be wasting your time with that comment to Adam. A lot of people who were in the church in 2011 are already out, leading happy, productive lives outside the prison of false belief they were once in.
What if you are being fooled, Cole? Wouldn’t you owe it to yourself to find out if you were being led in the opposite direction of Salvation? What if you are one of the “unintentional sinners” Adam spoke about in his post from 2011? You may be worshipping a false God and a false prophet.
God doesn’t lie, Cole. Please do some research. Scientologists were also told not to look at anything negative about their church. That’s why it took some so long to figure out they were lied to for years.
Cole, I wanted to reply to your other post but I guess this will have to do. Obviously you haven’t studied outside of the WMSCOG too much. Even your divulgence of once being a Catholic shows it. You covered your body with the words of God and yet you don’t realize what it says and you have to let this group spoon feed it too you? That’s a failure that will cost you your soul! There are over three hundred scriptures that talk about how there is only ONE TRUE GOD! There are over two hundred scriptures teaching us that we are saved by faith not by works. That’s over five hundred scriptures that you have to omit from Gods Word in order to make the WMSCOG’s doctrine correct. Again, that’s a failure that will cost you your soul! Five hundred scriptures verses what you think you have that proves your current view right. Time to open you eyes Cole! You have been deceived by the father of lies himself. If you have a problem with this then you need to take it up with HIM. It’s not my fault what is written in the Bible and if you take this to your group they are just going to fill you with more anti-christ propoganda that will confuse and disorient you. You know what I’m talking about! It happened too you the first time you studied with them! Take your Bible and run away from these people as fast and as far as you can. Only then are you going to be able to start clearing your mind and reading what it says in the Bible as God will reveal it too you.
Well, it looks like Cole was just another parrot hitting the message board here. They come in, act all knowing by requiting what they’ve been spoon fed, I’m sure feeling puffed up about being so bold in their own mind, and then probably never backing up what they say. I wish they would stop disappointing us like this. Cole you have joined a very common group within your control group. You are trapped and I hope that one day you will be free. Come share with us whenever you like. Everyone is welcome here. (This doesn’t mean that we will agree with you.)
T.H. Many of these members are suppressing their own doubts. They most likely see alot of lies and misinformation inWMS. I used to do the same thing, comment on an ExMembers page,blog or YT account..
.but deep down I doubted the WMS because there were always discrepancies in the doctrine, and always a convienent answer to some of their actions.
Adam says
Isa 43:11 says there is no other Savior… [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread]
Adam says
Again you are using parts [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread]
Adam says
lol
First of al, rev1:7, [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread]
Adam says
Actually, eze 27 [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread].
Adam says
Elohim is pluralis excellente. This form is even used for kings in ancient times. [This debate moved to the forum at this thread].
nick says
[rude portion deleted by admin] Do you have copies of that pamphlet and those books in your possession and they’ve been tested to make sure they are legitimate? If not than you are doing the same thing you are accusing the WMSCOG of doing..
ed144 says
Did you get a translator and go on the NCPCOG website so you can see and hear ASH is teaching something different than what the WMS claims? I know the WMS claims that are not ASH voice but it his voice I have heard it for 14 years. The tape recordings may be old but that is him. Or are you to lazy to have a nonmember translate it for you. the study’s conclusions are different.
nick says
First of all about your comment on how Jesus wasnt baptized into another religion… [this debate moved by admin to the forum at this thread]
Adam says
You said it was Cyrus. was the persian empire at then ends of the earth? Was it at the furthest corners? Nope. Also, Cyrus is never compared to a bird of prey, but God is like you mentioned. God even describes Himself as an eagle Eze17
genny says
Cyrus is compared to a bird of prey. He and his army were extremely swift. (See Hosea 8:1 for another general and army being compared to a bird.) Cyrus himself said he wanted to be known as a “winged” or “flying man.” The standard of Cyrus was an eagle. You can see him in ancient art depicted with wings. He is also said to have had an aquiline nose–that’s a nose that resembles the curved beak of an eagle.
Yes, in the ancient world, Cyrus was compared to a bird of prey.
About the ends of the earth, the farthest corners, notice Is. 41:8-9 says,
âBut you, Israel, my servant,
Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,
I took you from the ends of the earth,
from its farthest corners I called you.
I said, âYou are my servantâ;
I have chosen you and have not rejected you.”
God is talking about the Israelites here–plural, not just one person. These two verses are not about the ‘bird of prey.’ The ‘but you’ tells you He’s changing who He’s talking about.
asd says
In your words: Cyrus was represented as eagle, [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion].
Adam says
Actually, the link isn’t working. I’ve read all AhnSahngHong’s books and I never saw anything indicating a date of the end (The day comes like a theif 2peter3:10). He does mention scientist are warning about the end times. Also, i’ve never heard of ncpcog, but it isn’t wmscog. Notice the different names. I do know that there were people who didn’t believe in Mother so the church split.
Honestly, there is no need to elaborate on the studies as it isn’t related to the subject. They describe Gods administration work beginning with the knowledge of God and ending with the last Adam and last Eve. How the church was messed up throughout the centuries according to prophecies, why certain events like William Miller, and Jesus’s ministry occurred, and that the [offensive portion removed by admin] are the anitchrist. Somewhere on this site you stated that was a teaching of SDA, its true, they understood it, but no longer can prove it through scripture. (Prophecy of the feasts) If you want to really want to try to cut down the truth, please ask your friend to show you these prophecies.
ed144 says
Yes I have also heard that the WMS uses the example of copy and shadow to explain the split between the NCPCOG and WMS. If they are using this copy and shadow explanation between the Eastern Church and western church in the bible it was the w church that split off from Jerusalem who changed the truth of God for Sunday worship and followed the sun God, shadow right. In the same way it was the WMS who branched of the NCPCOG ASH first church therefore as the western church changed the truth one can assume in the copy it was the WMSCOG who changed the teachings of ASH first church who worships Jesus Crist and denies a mother God as the western church worships the sun God the WMS worship mother God. We can then assume there mother God represents the Sun God or false worship and as God said you shall have no other Gods before me. You have crucified Crist all over again
ed144 says
LOL you make that statement and yet I will asume you have never one time studied with the SDA have you. You just take them at their word?
ed144 says
Adam you have only seen their revised books they have been rewritten by the WMSCOG. There are many voice recording of ASH teaching all put down on tape. Does anyone think itâs strange that ASH did not leave one recording in regards to a mother God? Why would that be? It seems to be contradicting he left recording in regards to the Passover being keep in the last days but when the mother he supposedly revealed as the reality of Passover ASH did not leave a recording on the topic being fulfilled. How could he if he had taught that when WMSCOG started in 1988 and ASH died in 1985
ed144 says
Adam I have been in church for many years and the books has been replaced about five times and every time the church reprints those books the church makes every effort to collect the old ones. Itâs because the church did not want anyone going back and making a comparison and seen the change in doctrine as the church changes its position The older members still have some of the old books and there are many changes to speak of. That also includes the preaching guides and as the books have changed so has the teachings of the WMSCOG. I am telling you first hand I have been there since the church started in LA. There are many people that are making the same statements and we are all witnesses to the changes taking place. God does not change his ways or mined therefor the teachings of WMSCOG should remain the same unless someone is changing his word. General Pastor and several others rewrote ASH teachings to serve their own purpose.
Adam says
Isn’t that part in roman 6 describing Christ dying to sin? I know He did die on the cross, as a sin offering. Meaning he cannot be crucified again. Besides it talks about the apostles being dead. If they are dead, how can they be preaching? This passage talks about being free from sin, by being alive in Christ, no? Please explain
Adam thank you for commenting. Your raise a good point but I’m afraid that you are missing an important part of the chapter. Christ died for our sins, not his because Christ is perfect. You are correct when you say that Jesus died on the cross, but the method by which he was put to death is not the focus of the message. Romans 6:9 “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.” It clearly states that Christ will not die again, not just that he will not be crucified again. Romans 6:10 tells us that Christ died in order to pay for our sins “once for all”. Romans 6:9 tells us that Christ “cannot die again”. This contradicts the WMSCOG’s belief that Ahnsahnghong was “god” because he indeed suffered a physical death in 1985 and did not resurrect.
Yes he talks about the apostles being dead to sin. Romans 6:4 “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” There is some obvious use of figurative language here. In summary, as you said the passage talks about being dead to sin and alive in Christ. Here baptism is symbolic of dying to sin (or buried through baptism) and resurrection is symbolic of us living a new life in Christ under God’s grace (Romans 6:11, 14).
Adam says
Regarding the “article”, or blog, anyone can write anything on the internet. I could say I was married to Hillary Clinton, we had this and that child, but things went downhill and she cheated on me, would you believe me? If you could come up with legal documentation showing the marriage or divorce of these two, that would be wonderful. That could then be used as evidence. It is unfair to accuse on speculations. Matt 28:11-15 is a very good example.
IS there a way to verify the story of the ex-husband at all?
Has there not been any attempt by any investigative journalists to try and dig up the truth on this, do you know if anyone had done any reporting on this?
if any one can write any thing then what are you watching can’t you differenciate the true and false can’t you examine the fact. this is very serious every thing has to end one even we also. so be faithful to god read bible clearly not only what WMSCOG teach you. ask question to church about all the matter you hear from this web site i am sure church (WMSCOG) can’t answer you any thing, then what will you do will you stay there or leave it’s upon your decession.
Adam says
Luke 14:25-27. Matt 10:34-39. Therefor Jesus is the first cult leader. Please comment
Dave says
Steven Hassan in the above article has described the WMSCOG very accurately. Their influence and cleverly calculated messages are delivered to targeted emotionally susceptible people.
This influence should not be underestimated in its ability to control the recipients. I have first hand experience of this through my Vietnamese wife, who is both intelligent and very well educated. Thanks for reading. Dave from Birmingham, UK.
Nicholas says
Hi I’ve been reading this site and another about this Church for a while now. To start off, I was never a member of this church. By the time I met members of this church,I had already been attending another church for two years and I’m very happy with it. But I want to give a testimony for this site, to help anybody that has been a victim of this church.
To start off, I’ve been going to school at a campus for the last few years and it was a few years ago that I decided to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I’ve been going to a church that I really love. With that said, I had been living a lukewarm Christian life since I asked Jesus to save me. I had made many attempts to strengthen my Christian life and was met with many failures, I would never read my bible or pray and and was more interested in the things of the world. The situation for me is now different and I’m making a serious effort in my relationship with Jesus. This was the year that I had a big wake up call that would make me want to know the word of God. It wasn’t a wake up call that I would consider to be a good experience but one that opened my eyes. Like I said before I had been going to school for a while now and one day after taking care of business and was on my way to my car to drive home I saw this guy and girl standing near the library and they stopped me. This is where my experience with the WMSCOG started. The encounter started with introductions and then the guy asked me if I knew about God the Mother. Naturally I said no and then after a few minutes of chatting we decided to do Bible study right at the library of the school. We sat there talking for 15-20 minutes and he spent that time explaining to me God the Mother and showing verses in the Bible that at a glance, seemed to support their beliefs. It’s worth noting that I was skeptical from the getgo and when I was being taught about God the Mother I wasn’t sure if I should buy into it or not because this guy seemed very smart and seemed to know the Bible very well. But as I said before, I was living a lukewarm Christian life and I thought maybe if I went did some Bible study with some new faces on the side it would help motivate me so I would start taking my faith seriously.
After a bit of time at the library their group had decided to go back to the church and they invited me up there to do some more Bible study so I drove over there with someone riding with me and leading the way. When I got there I was introduced to some of their members and they all seemed like nice and friendly people. I was then led into a room that pretty small and then another guy came in and was going to teach me about what his church believes. The Bible study lasted for about 2-3 hours. We talked about many different topics such as God the Mother, the Passover, parallels between Adam and Eve and the fall of Lucifer, our souls existing before we were born, everyone coming from the dust, the meaning of Elohim, and many other issues. Now when I walked out that particular day I thought to myself that even though I didn’t agree with what a lot of what they said I thought maybe there was some room to understand and I agreed to go back the next week. That night I had went over to my friend’s house, I go to church with these people and they have supported me throughout my spiritual journey. I had told them about my experience earlier in the day and initially they were happy that I had this opportunity but then they saw something wrong when I brought up God the Mother. I referred to those verses in Genesis( “let us make man in our image”) and Revelation (“the Spirit and the Bride”) but they weren’t too enthusiastic about these beliefs. My friend admitted to me later that he was nervous about me in relationship to this church and on all counts, he was right. I didn’t quite see it at that moment but the second time I did Bible study is where things took a turn. After the weekend, I went to school on Monday and afterwards I drove back over to the church.
This time when I did Bible study, I did it with the guy that I met at the beginning when I was at school. When I got there, before we did the Bible study they showed me an introductory video about their church which seemed very positive like but my experience during that bible study told a different story. This time we talked about issues like the Sabbath, how we’re saved, what happens to babies, God the Mother the passover, communion, repentance and other topics. I had asked about the end times and Anti-Christ but he wasn’t far enough into his studies to teach me about it and then if I came back another day someone else could teach me. This time I did Bible study, they really sent me on a guilt trip and I felt like I was being severely condemned for not doing the things they do. Throughout the Bible study, I became extremely frustrated and even wanted to curse him out. But God kept my strong throughout it all and I kept my composure. To make a note, I go to church on Sunday and with my limited knowledge I did know that in the old testament they worshipped on Saturday. But that 3-4 hours I was there this time was a lot of him trying to get me to submit to the way of his church and trying to scare me. His attitude was inappropriate, after a while of talking to the Sabbath he would make remarks like “And YOU go to church on SUNDAY?!” and that people who didn’t keep the Sabbath would be the ones that Jesus would say “Depart from me!” There was such a strong emphasis on the Passover as well. He kept saying this was the only way my sins would be forgiven. The Bible studies this church does seem very systematic and it doesn’t seem the members can speak for themselves but only what their leaders want them to teach. I thought maybe this was just me dealing with this but after reading many testimonies and watching videos of people who had experiences with this church, it wasn’t just me. One thing that I was very curious about was what happened to babies when they died? The answer I got was an answer that shocked me and ultimately made me walk away after that day. To hear him say that if babies don’t keep the Passover they’ll go to hell really pushed my buttons. I tried to argue with him on this matter but it was hopeless, I simply did not read enough of the bible up to this point to support what I said. He trapped me many times during the study, saying stuff like “Show me in the Bible where it says to take communion!!” “or show me where it says to repent!” My efforts were hopeless. Initially I agreed to do another bible study but I just didn’t feel right about it anymore. I left their church that day feeling lower than dirt and feeling like I failed as a Christian. I feel God used this event I saw a curse and turned it ultimately into a blessing. After talking to my friend and his father about this whole ordeal, they offered up their support and love and the father offered a parting word by advising me to read Galatians. I ended that day certain of a few things, that I didn’t need to be involved with the WMSCOG and that I can find the truth on my own through the faith and love of Jesus Christ and so the time came that I would really started reading the Bible and getting to know God’s word. I sent the guy I did Bible study a text and ended the relationship. Since that day, I have talked to a few more people from that church on campus and each time I rejected any further offers to do bible study. I’ve even tried to argue with them regarding what they teach and was met with hostility from its members and accusations that I just don’t want to know the truth. But God has better plans for me, I don’t want to argue with these people but I want to instead love them and forgive them.
I want to offer a word to the people who have encountered this church. No matter what happens, always trust in Jesus Christ. He is the truth, the way, and the life. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Since this whole experience I’ve learned of real peace that I could only receive through the love of Jesus. Following the conclusion of my experience, I started to take everything about my faith seriously and decided to start reading my bible all the time and praying to God every day. I put my trust in Jesus Christ and he has not let me down. I’m not perfect, but I know God is doing a work in me and I know he can do a work in you too. For anyone who has had an encounter with this church, I understand completely they have taken over peoples lives and hurt others but we shouldn’t hold that against them. God forgave us through his son Jesus Christ and we should extend that same love and forgiveness to others regardless of what church they’re part of or what they believe in. Remember that we cannot change the way they see things but God can. Nothing is impossible for him. I just encourage you to pray for these people so that they can know the real love of the man I call Lord and Savior: Jesus Christ.
I hope this testimony encourages anyone reading it, remember you always have a friend in Jesus. God Bless You.
truthwillsetmefree says
inside that church is very luxurious. they’ve got beautiful exotic, rare flowers decorated all over, evem in the bathrooms. they’ve got large flat screen televisions all over (that show trips of members visiting “mother”, except the sanctuary of course, a garden, kitchen, creepy pitcures of “mother” hanging all over pastors office….etc. I brought a friend to study” before and he said the church was a little too fancy and freaky for his taste and that he never wanted to step foot evet again. looking back, i should have followed his lead. much time, money, for tolls, gas, and tithes a number of times a week had been wasted. current members dont think theu are suffering because they take turns making meals for the entire unit everyday. and spend practically everyday there. there homes are only usefull for sleep but if it was possible I know they would sleep in the study area and rooms of the church (men separated from women of course) if they could. the current members are told that the expansion is do to so many new members and the space is needed. I must confess they hold several services on the sabbath because of the cramped conditions, they market. I wonder why however, they would convince me to stay for all of them? and study in between all 3 services, and only break to eat the food they prepare. then study.some more before another service………i dont think they are concerned about their money bc they have beauty within and out of the building that surrounds them and the construction is further proof that the money they give is not in vain, for it expands the place they know as home. makes it comfy and lovely looking. however I believe the larger portion of all the sums of their monies are going to the leaders of their organization and the korean woman who poses for all the creepy gold framed pictures that are around the church. but even if they thought of that I dont think it would make a difference since mother” sacrificed so much and all….
MountainMom says
This is exactly like what has happened to my son and his wife due to his involvement in the COG. They do everything they can to cause trouble in marriages where one is a member and one is not. In cases where the two are only engaged, they break them up and then suggest that the member immediately get involved with someone else in the church for their “spiritual growth.” I wonder if they do this with the Korean members in order to get them U.S. citizenship. Also, being married to a member makes it harder to leave the church. They have this all thought out, don’t they.
nick says
I understand it can seem strange [this debate moved to the forum by admin at this thread]
This is horrible. My girlfriend goes to this church and made about a year this month. Thanks to the help of this former member’s story and her evidence of their falseness I am trying my best to show the members and my girlfriend that this is a business. The word of life is free and God dwells within you not a worldly “Church of God.” Im sure me and my girlfriend are done with since she hasn’t responded to my phone calls or text messages. Even if she does answer I am going to tell her that their is only One God and the only person that is coming back is Jesus Christ. God bless all that have been tricked by these false prophets and may the truth be told. Amen!
ed says
Ask her this question. If mother god represents sarah, who is the jerusalem from above and came to this earth. then she would have to have SEX? with her son Isaac to be your spiritual mother because you are supposed to be Isaac’s seed the seed of promise the 144,000.
Alonna says
I can’t believe he left you. I can’t believe the WMSCOG would do that to someone. They’re slowly taking over this guy’s life. Every day I pray to GOD and I thank him and my family for helping stay away from this cult. The church still contactsd me today, but I never answer. It’s weird they still contact me and it’s been months since I left the cult. This ending brought tears to my eyes and can’t bare seeing my love one choosing which is basically a lie over me. I hope you stay strong; if GOD plans for you guys to get back together it will happen just be patient.
ed says
God bless you I am right there with in that mess and now my mind is on my children. you will not believe what thay have been saying about me and my soon to be x wife does not even know what they have done to her. I pointed things out and she did not want to hear about what I was seeing and being put through and she is mostly responsible for it. church duties came before work and family. Any thing I did including work prevented her from serving was a reason to fight. Its because they are taught anything that stops you from serving comes from the devil and thats how she saw it and the church has taken it way beyond that now. I stopped going and paying tithe after 15 years because the church got into my marriage that got me singled out and they would tell people to stay away from people and spreads lies about you. It’s all part of the separation process.
A. says
Thank you, Thank you so much for your comment… I give me hope. I too lost my husband to the WMSCOG… and hope someday he will come back…
sasha says
Thanks for this site. I am sure this will help a lot of people caught in this group. My brother is now a deacon for WMSCOG and with some more visit to Korea he may become a Pastor soon:lol:
He is very adamant and his marriage hardly lasted for about 2years. He is used to burning his fingers and whenever he has got trapped in any situation it was late he always realized his mistakes.
So I am positive someday he will know the false God he worships and will have to bury his head in sand as he may not be able to accept the fact that he has been cheated once again in his life by a living fake God on this earth.
Keep this website going and God bless you Admin for your time and patience you have given in helping others
First off, I donât understand why you want to know about her when you think she is a CULT LEADER and she is heretic because she claims to be God. When we ask our church about our Mother Jerusalem, because we all want to know more about her when we find out she is Christ dwelling on earth. They tell us her birthday, but I personally forgot. I asked my pastor if she was married or not. The truth is she was married and not with Father Ahnsahnghong. They both have families of their own. The reason she came about was because he ESTABLISHED her to fulfill prophesy. He took a picture of her in a traditional wedding dress and in a traditional wedding stance with him to fulfill prophesy. Then he told General Pastor to save that picture that one day he will need. General Pastor has never questioned Father and did as he was told. When it came to that day the people knew he was the 2nd coming Christ his wife claimed she was THE BRIDE. Thatâs when General Pastor pulled out the picture.
Thatâs how our Mother came to be! I just wanted to get that out of the way.
We know his birthday year to be 1918 and that too was to fulfill prophecy about baptized at 30 years old, it had to be when Israel achieved independence after many years of not even existing. He fulfilled the fig tree prophesy.
Looks like the script was written after his death. I truly wonder if he was alive today he would not only consider her but even the gereral pastor as a psychopath for playing around with his teachings
Thank you for posting Sasha. It is interesting how some WMSCOG members are told that ZhangGilJah was never married, and yet other members are told that she was. Why the contradiction? Why does the WMSCOG give different answers to different members? Both answers cannot be true.
It has title: rumours or opinions. Instead of spreading rumours about someone’s private life learn about their teaching. I did not like tie of my professor in Uni but it does not mean I did not listen to his teaching
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I really do want to read about the book and its english version. There is a rumor that the book has been published in english . Can you please put that for reference ???
It’s funny you mention this because when I went to their services one Saturday I was shocked to hear them sing a song I know well from my own evangelical church. I wondered the same thing–if they think my church is one of the ‘evil daughters of the harlot Catholic church,’ why are they singing that song?
I told the deaconess I was surprised that they were singing a song I know from my own church, a mainstream Christian song, and she just smiled. I don’t think the contradiction there even crossed her mind.
I didn’t think the title of the song mattered to the point I was making. And it wasn’t a “New Song” specifically from the wmscog but a regular Christian song that you would hear in any number of mainstream Christian churches.
JohannaL says
I have recently heard of this church through my cousin who in my belief is utterly brainwashed! My family is pentecostal and i dont consider myself to be of any religion but i believe in god,the holy spirit (i have seen the holy spirit use people in magnificent ways) and of course in jesus christ the son. I asked god upon arriving to the church of god near my home (even though my relationship with god is not the best) to give me understanding and let me see the truth when these people showed me about their religion. I did not go with an ignorant mind but as i sat there with my mom,cousin and my cousins husband i immediately saw how things didnt add up! The lady teaching claimed we were the angels who rebelled against god,christ already came,and there was no way into heaven except through the church of god. Like i said i never sat down and read the bible but this woman made no sense even i knew that the angels whom rebelled against god were cast out with lucifer and sent to hell where they await judgement. I knew that when jesus came a second time he would come the same way he left which was through the clouds and that this was his second coming which is also when hed take those who are saved with him thus that being the salvation he shall bring,not the passover like they so claim. I asked this woman how do they know mr.ahnsahnhong was christ? She went into the whole idiotic king david prophecy lecture and that made no sense because jesus was greater than david why should jesus have to equal himself as david to prove he is christ second coming? The lady was surprised at my questioning and you could tell she had expected an easier mind to mold. When i asked her if anyone saw ahnsahnhong ascend she said he was found dead at the age of sixty seven and no one knows how so i chuckled and said so he died of natural causes she replied with yes but no one knows how i laughed she had no answer! She herself was baffled! If ahnsahnhong was christ why was he buried? If he supposedly ascended?! Also when she tried to lecture me about how were fallen angels she quoted from revelations 12 why would she do that? Isnt revelations about what is to come? Why not quote how during the first war lucifer and his angels were sent to hell where they await judgement isnt those angels the ones the church claims we are? So are we living in hell then? Seriously im pretty sure that this woman that was lecturing me has never even read that part in the bible because their lessons are cherry picked to suit them. Im going to hear what more they have to say only this time i have evidence of where they are wrong.what can they do? say the bible is wrong? most likely they will politely ask me to leave lol. But im not easily convinced. You want to know whats interesting? I came to my own logical conclusions and i saw the contradictions they themselves make i caused a devoted member to scramble for answers but so many intelligent people like my cousin fall so easily!
JohannaL says
the funny thing about this religion is how they themselves contradict what they say and what the church says. why can people not see this? how much more clear can it be made that things dont add up? i mean if they dont want to be shown the verses in the bible where it says contrary to what they are claiming then are they not denying the bible? when i told my cousin about how ahnsahghong himself wrote his opinions in his books and they contradict what the church NOW claims,do you know what she said? “the bible says not to believe what man writes”? isnt their whole religion about how he is christ ahnsahnghong? so she just called him a MAN and that we should not believe what he writes. isnt that what shes saying or is it just me misinterpreting? ive never seen a group of people more contradicting to themselves and so…ignorant and blind in my entire life!
ttr says
does she believe what General Pastor Joo Cheol Kim writes in his books?
does she believe what Einstein wrote in math text books?
does she believe what she writes in her own notebooks?
the reason it is so difficult to speak to her is because you’re speaking English, and she’s using the language of non-thought. the essential problem i’ve found in dialog with wms members is their inability to process what you actually say. they ignore it or tune it out with some sort of thought-stopping technique such as what you’ve experienced. that’s why speaking with them is so frustrating, and they often come off as rude… because they are essentially ignoring your points.
i’ve been told, that’s what they’re trained to do though. i believe the quote was “just preach.. if they don’t want to listen, then that’s not your problem”. this method of course is only effective in recruiting people who do not question, but blindly follow
Rahab says
Through my experience with my loved one who is in this church, I whole-heartedly agree with you.
how else do you think the “heavenly mother” pays for her pretty kimonos? :p
Emily says
Interesting because some members of the WMSCOG that I have spoken to recently claim that their churches are protected and that all of the others are being destroyed by God because of their pagan worship. But one of their members admitted that the WMSCOG in Myanmar was destroyed on a blog back in 2008. Here is the quote complete with a justification for why “mother” destroyed it. Pretty laughable in my opinion.
âBrother Poland and sister Lizzie we have to be in zion why do you waste your time here when they cannot understand what we preach over and over again.
Do you know our mother said to give love and not fight and because of you two lost sheep on this blog our church got destroyed in the myanmar cyclone.
Even after having kept the passover it did not let disaster pass over our church.â
I never thought I would say this but Dark Angel, THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY TELLING HIM THAT WE ARE NOT AT FAULT.
âWarrior is correct, one of your churches was destroyed by a natural disaster.
However, Lizzie and Poland are NOT the cause of that.
Warrior, it would appear that you are not saved by natural disasters after all.â
Do you know the real reason that the cyclone disaster destroyed that church? They kept sinning even after taking the Passover. There was alot of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, THEY DESECRATED THE SABBATH, THEY WERE NOT IN THE TRUTH AND LACKED FAITH! I am sorry but I am not GOD and I cannot make a whole church BE SEXUALLY IMMORAL! I do not have the power to tell anyone, let alone a WHOLE CONGREGATION to take the Sabbath as a Joke, to not have sufficient FAITH. Mother called the church and asked the Pastor DO THEY KEEP THE SABBATH?, DO THEY HAVE FAITH? and the Pastor told her NO. She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.
Like the story of LOT and SODOM & GAMORRAH. An angel of God warned Lot of the disaster coming upon the sin city and asked him to LEAVE and DONT LOOK BACK.
Tia says
Actually you are dead wrong. Daniel vision cannot be the end times. The four kingdoms babylon persia greece and rome were world powers in written history not in the twentieth century. it was revealed to daniel the eleventh horn who receives power from satan the ruler of this sinful world which is the beast/prostitute that is to be exposed in these last days through the revelation of jesus through apostle john. The book of revelation is directly related to the last century. As far as clouds go, read jude it describes false prophets as clouds without rain, so in turn true prophets are clouds with rain, meaning people who carry the true gospel the good news of salvation the passover. But satan has blinded you with sin that you cannot see the glory of the christ who is our savior that is our Heavenly Mother Jerusalem. Please don’t disrespect my heavenly family again. Revelations also reveals who will win in the end, our mother commander and chief of the heavens army who is on this earth until father comes on fire the very end which is written in the last chapter in isaiah.
Hello Tia and thank you for commenting,
First, you mentioned that “Daniel vision cannot be the end times”. I think that you may be confusing the dream that Daniel interpreted for King Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 2:31-45) with the vision that Daniel had in Chapter 7. They are not the same. I suggest that you read the book of Daniel in its entirety. Yet you seem to ignore the parallels between the beasts in Daniel’s vision (Daniel Chapter 7) and the beasts in Revelation (as explained in the article). Your reference to Jude 1:12 demonstrates little or no knowledge of figurative language and does not provide a significant rebuttal to the argument being made. Please explain the process by which you arrived at the conclusion that you have the ability to judge who, as you say, “satan has blinded” with sin. The administrators on this site aim to seek the truth and present it to all that are interested in reading. The amount of content on this site, and others, in opposition to your organization’s methods and doctrine, leaves the answer to “who will win in the end” largely debatable.
As a member. I apologize for the condemnation that pours onto this slanderous website from our members. The bible says the bible is perfect. Which suggests that its not open for interpretation. Our members believe that. I feel better off believing an interpretation that doesn’t contradict itself. I have not been to a church that interprets the present times as accurately as this church. I would say this website is just as debatable as church of Gods doctrine. Except the lesson from the fig tree. I don’t think Ahnsahnghong could have just came up with that and coincidentally had the exact year of birth to fulfill it. Most of what he teaches is extremely logical and answers many questions. Most peoples doubts are turned into proofs as they are written in the bible. If we learn from what happened with Jesus we can recognize Ahnsahnghong much better. I don’t want to prove anyone wrong. I just want people to know Gods love.
I just fell on my knees and thanked the Lord that I found this website. I’ve had a WMSCOG member hound me with these verses taken out of context and it shook me up a little. We met for a two hour Bible Study and I couldn’t sleep that night with all the new information. Luckily, I started researching the “god the mother” thing and came to realize all of the things that this guy didn’t tell me! Thank you so much for all the hard work you’ve put into this website!!! God bless you..
sorry for the late reply. thank you very much for your compliments and prayers for the site.
may God bless you in your search for the truth.
EmIly says
Yes, you are a spot on. Thank you so much for putting this website together and showing your information sources. I was baptiesed into this cult under the impression that it was a church that worshiped like the early Christians did before the catholic church was ever formed. I was looking for a sound Bible study group and so desperate to understand the bible. I thought wow God has heard my prayers! They have this way of making you feel so welcome and they are constantly saying god bless you. I truly felt full of joy like god had finally led me to my purpose in life,like all my suffering finally made sence. Little did I know that i was being baptized in the name of some dead Korean guy. Never thought of myself as gullible or easily swayed. I had known the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savour and can recall many times he had weaved miracals in my life so I was ready to make my life focused completely on the things of the Lord. Instead wound up committing the worst sin of my whole life. I am so sad and so ashamed. Thankfully I was able to find this information before spending any more time praying to false gods. The irony is that these people preach to warn you about people like them. I can see how some people that are so intelligent wind up in these cults, i wasn’t even particularly vonerable but the circumstances were just right to suck me in. Though I am emotionally drained for now, I do believe the true Lord Jesus Christ had a purpose for my brush with the wmcog. Though I don’t feel I can repent enough. My lesson is this: feelings no matter how intense can be wrong, someone elses intellect no matter how impressive can be wrong, people who use the bible out of it’s context wrong wrong wrong. I thank you for all the work you have put forth exposing the truth, it makes all the difference because you show the sources for your work. These people are working for the devil and they don’t even know it. May the one true Lord Almighty Jesus Christ be with us always.
Seven years later and theyâre still recruiting people the same way. Itâs insane how weâve had the same encounter! I to wouldnât consider myself gullible, in fact Iâm stubborn. Though, i was curious about the Bible and interested in growing a closer connection with Jesus NOT a random Korean man. When the opportunity presented itself i went along thinking everything happens for a reason.
Well, I constantly questioned the âbible study sessionsâ only to be told to repeat the same highlighted verses for confirmation. The sad part is they 1000% believe in the lies theyâre spreading, itâs the type of brainwashing only to be seen in movies.
MountainMom says
Your story is so similar to that of mine with my son, and so many others that I have talked to. One thing for sure, these types of groups are predictable in what they do. My son has also become untrustworthy and he was never like that. I could always rely on him. Not so after his involvement with this group. He, like your son, probably does think that he is going to save us all by getting us into his “church,” but none of us will ever go. Like, you, I was also told that my son was a man, and I should leave him alone. One thing helps me, and that is the knowledge that when my son says something hurtful, I need to remember that I am talking to the “group personality” not him, really. I’ll never have a relationship with the WMSCOG personality, but my son is still in there somewhere. Good luck to you. Let’s stick together in this fight. We can win it.
You are so wrong I go to this church and it is actually šGod the Motherš not just mother or god it has to be capitalized and I am only 11 and I know im correct because I have been in this church for 8 about to be 9 years
truthwillsetmefree says
good question đ
John says
What is the religion? The religion is belief systems that relationship between God and human.
Then, what about the family? The family is relationship between parents and children.
But, I don’t understand why you are mixing up those two different issues?
I just think there is some soreness between parents and children because the parents couldn’t accept the children’s religion.
However, the above p
 However, the above passage of writing that intending like the religion is the cause of family dispute.
I think you need to think of them as separate issues.
I consulted many other people. However, in this case I feel very heavy.
I think it is the the parents fault.
I understand that you may not agree with the opinion of the author of this personal account, but these parents are concerned about the changes they have seen in their son since he has been involved with the World Mission Society Church of God. Their son has started lying and swearing since his involvement with this “religion”. Yet you say that the changes in his behavior since becoming involved with the WMSCOG are his parents’ fault? Shouldn’t coming closer to God make you a better person? Romans 1:29-31
mother of the son says
How is it the parents fault? I had NO problem with my son until the church came into his life. He never lied to me or swore at me and we were extremely close. If the church is so good, why did he change like that? Why hide it from me if it is so good? His personality changed completely once he entered this church. He went from a normal 20 year old man to a sneaky, lying, disrespectful person. As a parent I have watched him slowly destroy everything around him that loves him. He abandoned ALL his friends. How is that the parents fault??? I had complete trust in him before entering the church. He was extremely capable and trustworthy. Why did he sell all his possessions? How is that the parents fault? I am now faced with having to change my will, because, I haven’t worked all my life for my son to hand everything I’ve worked for over to these fake Korean people. John, I’d love to know how you came to this conclusion.
Attending a church affects one’s morality, and therefore the relationships in the rest of our lives.
It is impossible to separate the two. You can not attend a church and not have it affect the rest of your life unless you aren’t paying attention to what is being preached, or are not following it.
It is untenable to hold that you can alter your moral system by attending a church and then compartmentalize it so it doesn’t affect any other aspect of your life.
asd says
ttr,
I believe John came to [this comment has been moved to forum for further discussion]
Didnt God say that the Ninivites were going to be destroyed at a certain time period? He told His prophet to warn the people of the coming destruction, but it never came.
I’m not saying Ahnsahnghong did or didnt say the world would in 1988. But if He did, that doesnt necessarliy mean He is a false prophet. God said that Ninveh would be destroyed at a set time, and it did not come, yet you still believe in the Bible don’t you? (yes) Then you cannot say that b/c God said the world would end in 1988, and it did not come, that He is not God.
On one hand, prophecy did not come true and you still believe. But on the other, prophecy did not come true and you do not believe and call the prophet a flase witness.
I think the phrase, you cant have your cake and eat it too is a good one here!
Interesting point. Now let’s look further into why God chose to have mercy on the people of Nineveh. Jonah 3:10 tells us that the people of Nineveh turned from their evil ways of worshiping idols (Jonah 2:8). Therefore God chose not to bring the destruction that He threatened. So let’s say that Ahnsahnghong did predict the end in 1988. (We believe Ahnsahnghong did predict the world would end in 1988 because the pamphlets publicized on Korean internet sites provide support for this.) What evil did the world turn away from in 1988? The WMSCOG considers the cross an idol. Did people all of the sudden stop “worshiping the cross”? Was the destruction only for South Korea? If not then Ahnshanghong would have had to warn the whole world. Did that happen? So does that mean that Harold Camping isn’t a false prophet even though his prediction didn’t come true earlier this year?
ed144 says
That is true God gave them one more chance because they repented their sins. Problem is that was a onetime deal. The bible and the WMS teaches if you continue to sin there is no more atonement for your sins because Crist died ounce and for all. If you continue to sin you crucify Crist all over again which the WMS loves to do. God destroyed many nations and people for their sins for this very reason. To assume God will just keep giving more time and putting off ones punishment again and again is what you hope for because you and the WMS sins are so grievous and through your lies and deception you continue to crucify Crist again and again.
candice says
Thanks for this info. One of my family member are in this and how do I get her to see that this isn’t what she needs. I feel she is too far in already and don’t want to see her do something bad. So I’m Asking for help!! Please and thank you.
you’re welcome Candice. I have e-mailed you. please check your e-mail for more information.
carmen says
I think it wrong to bash one church. I think that every religion is a cult. What’s your problem with church of God when its not really different from other church’s. So what if he says something in contradiction, all pastors do that a lot. I’ve studied different religions and have interviewed people about why they think their church is the right church and they bash other churches like the Christians are fake and Buddhist are miss led Ect. Why must you carry on a website about one church. Excuse my French but I think you need to f*** off. If people want to go and of that’s what makes then happy let them be. I don’t even go to this church and I’m annoyed by you.
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MountainMom says
Hi Carmen. Thank you for your post. I also agree that it is wrong to bash one church. However, I am confused. You said they are really not different from other churches. I have researched this church for over three years. I have been there several times, as has my husband, son, and daughter. I am very familiar with their doctrine, and one thing they make very clear is that they ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER CHURCHES. That is why they tell members they cannot go to any other church and be saved. If they were all the same, they would not say that would they? They tell members they cannot even step foot into another church, even for a funeral of a relative, or any other reason. Also, if it is wrong to bash other churches, there is a strong contradiction in their actions. I saw for myself that they have a constantly running video in their cafeteria area about how the Catholic church is evil, and the Pope is evil, etc. I am not Catholic, but this video was disturbing, and evidence that they do bash other churches. From what I have personally witnessed, from what I have researched, and from what I hear from members and former members, I know that this is not a real Christian church. Please research it thoroughly. And then run from this group.
MountainMom says
Carmen, please reply. As I said, we do have common ground, such as your comment that people should not bash other churches. What is your reply to my comment? I am willing to listen. I do not think all the people in the wmscog are bad people. I know there are good people in there. What do you think? I am listening.
Olivia says
Hello Carmen,I am a member of the church of God and I believe your site is… [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion.
The WMSCOG has broken up many families, led people to poverty, brainwashed children, blinded people into following them, misled believers, sued people who disagreed with them (yes, you read that right. They sue people who disagree/say anything bad to them), and worse, they doctored the bible, history, claimed outsiders evil, and even changed their leader’s history (in reality, their so-called leader is against their ideas.). And it’s still happening today.
It is the site owner’s job to expose them and their lies so people will finally escape. I was one of the luckiest ones to not spend much time in the cult (3 months to be exact), but I tell you that escaping this cult is a long, psychological, painful process and I’m still recovering from my trauma.
Call me stupid all you want for being a believer, but some people are just f****** a*******.
Iamapartofthescog says
Reading this, I’d like to take the time to say I’m sorry that you had an experience like that. All the people I see here online… [comment moved by admin to the forum here].
Here is a verse for the husband in the above story:
“If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.” Deuteronomy 24:5
I hope he thinks about this verse the next time he asks someone if they “believe the Bible”.
unfortunately they are not for sale anywhere outside the church, but you can get some of his books for free online in Korean here: http://www.ncpcog.com
Lawrence D Nongrum says
Most of the comments sincerely are useless & doesn’t make any sense_
The First thing is directly note this:
Ahnsahnghong has wife & 4 children that clarifies He is the Anti – Christ.
2. Jesus Christ doesn’t have a wife, else all the apostles would have married & killed Jesus by themself for they really sacrificed their passions to get to heaven.
3. Why do Christian’s need the prophet Elijah in the New Testament
4. Sunday observance is the evolution of God’s plan and either the Pope alright is described as the beast & 666 this happened for us to be divided as a plan to be separated in denominations for sincerely that’s not favourable else we Christian’s will become too powerful in nature.
5. Almost every church has it’s own demerits that’s the plan of the creator.
6. Almost Every church knows & studies in theology about the prophecies of Ellen G White
7. The traditional practises of Christmas & The New reform ways is to worship the Supreme God for even Jesus equivalenty described His qualities in the book of Revelations & The Lords day that’s the will of God
8. As it was so it will continue forever its call evolution of Faith by The spirit of Jesus Christ
9. cos if we Christian’s observe the Sabbath we are no different from Judaism isn’t it_
10. Jesus Christ our Lord & Saviour Himself created all the reformers & Lastly this must be taken very properly cos Jesus never preached about the physical feast only faith in Him is sufficient for a Christian’s salvation_ Amen
Joseph says
If you daughter is caught up in a different religion than you are, than you should talk to her yourself. Talking 1 to 1 is very good. She is your daughter, however you both ought to talk with love, this is the best way. Rebuking each other with repetitiveness verses is meaningless.
Zahng says the 144k are going to heaven September 23rd 2015 because it is the end of Jubilee year (exactly 50 years after the COG was established) on atonement day. Jubilee means people return to their own property.
Question
How can Zhang be god if she lives lavishly and all the churches in Korea are huge and brand new, yet she makes members from across the world buy everything for their churches? They already pay tithe and offerings but she makes them even pay utilities, supplies, and food? Not to mention the money for events and giving all their savings for house churches. She says the world will end this year on September 23rd so the members need to sell everything they dont need and give the money to the church. Also the children are forced to stay up late at night every night. Each COG stays open until midnight or later. Thatâs called child neglect. Why donât she use tithe and offering for the churches? Sheâs rich, her korean leaders are rich, and her children are dirt poor? Does god make little kids suffer? Does god do illegal activities? This is a for profit church. The Koreans do anything for money. Even if its illegal.
Christina, is this another tall tail of this comical site. I have never heard of such a thing and I have been here longer then most all of you. I came to this site for comedy I get a kick out of the lack of biblical knowledge on it keep it coming Hosea 4:6-
What??? Zahng/Chang/Chung or whatever name she goes by next is NOT living in Korea? The people involved are NOT paying for this stuff? There’s nobody in the WMSCOG that has given up everything? I’m not sure what kind of comedy you are looking for here but it seems that You are the one living with a lack of Biblical Knowledge and certainly an inability to see what’s right in front of you. Take the wool off of your eyes and see what IS going on around you! The truth is real and it is not in the WMSCOG!
My cousin has attended the Church of God for four years now. This was the same time in which I began medical school, so I don’t partake but keep my faith in mind. I get curious about what goes on in her life, especially since she started going there. Apparently, they won the highest award in England, The Queen’s Award, and they are Members of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. I’m conducting my residency in Manchester next year, so in terms of receiving titles in the United Kingdom, it’s incredibly difficult for any non-profit organization or groups collectively who apply for the award to get past the preliminary stages of the application process. However, the first church organization in history, especially since it was WMSCOG, received it. I only have the utmost respect in the Queen’s and parliament’s decision and respect WMSCOG for the good they do internationally. On another note, eschatolgy is also illegal in Korea, so they wouldn’t even be teaching about a certain year or date regarding when “the end of the world” would occur.
There was a court case in Korea where they tried to sue someone for saying they were teaching the end of the world. They lost. They most definitely were teaching doomsday doctrine. I’ve heard them say the end was going to be in 2012. Not just one member, either. Many. You say you don’t go to the church, and it’s because you were attending medical school. Why did you think you needed to say what you were doing as an excuse? I know how the Wmscog uses titles of members etc., to justify themselves. It’s like “Look at this doctor, engineer, professor, whatever. They believe in Mother and our church. So why shouldn’t you with your feeble mind and no title believe?” I don’t fall for that. If you look at the Milgram study, you’ll see why they use titles to try to sway people. Not valid. I think you are trying to say you are very smart, a doctor candidate, no less, so what you say here should be very convincing. Sorry, they’ve fooled a lot of smart people. Obviously, you are either a member, or just another smart person taken in by a clever con.
Vlad says
As they say, FOURTH TIME’S THE CHARM, right?
sam says
good keep it up do more research.
A.T. says
YesIthink that the Bible might have many good and true elements . but what I do not get is anhsanhong and the haevely mother, they say that I have not read enought that I need more time they have change my wife thinking and every time she comes from a 12 hour workship on saturday she is more convinced about them having the true. The world is going to end on 2012. One of her friend just came back from Korea, I think soon my wife will also go there I am scare HELP. Amilkar
ed144k says
when your understanding of the bible is limited it seens they know everything. Go study with 7th day Adventists you will see what the WMS stole from there teachings etc etc
ed144k says
ask her the questions that there is no answer to. Or you can ask here. I will help you in what to say and ask.
Vlad says
Oh, those dastardly book writers spreading lies about the poor, defenseless COGs!
I assume that they claimed that the court was led by unbelievers, thus why they lost the case, right?
ajumma says
you are only using man’s opinion, if you believe the bible you believe second coming christ ahnsanhgong,
you dont understand the difference between shadow and reality.
you are saying that because you are not in the truth.
that’s satan trying to trick you.
you are just trying to prosecute us, that fits prophecy, therefore wmscog is true church in the bible.
ajumma thank you for commenting.
We have already addressed the empty statements like “if you believe the bible you believe…” here in these articles.
We also understand that the WMSCOG scares you into thinking that the devil is out to get you all of the time as pointed out this article here.
How are we persecuting you? By pointing out the facts about the WMSCOG exposed in a legal document?
Do you think that hearing the pastors and others in the WMSCOG criticizing other denominations during services fulfills prophecy too? According to your logic, the Catholic Church and all Protestant churches are the true churches in the Bible.
To the readers out there, if you would like to sound like these drones, contact your local WMSCOG and sign up for a “Bible study”. If you don’t know where your local WMSCOG is, then just hang out alone at your local mall or college campus and they will find you.
Anonymous says
If the catholic church is the true church, then why does the bible also speak about the catholic church being the mother of all prostitutes; that is the only church that drinks from a golden cup. You guys may have a point on the other stuff mentioned, but based on the bibles teaching, the catholic church is not the church of God.
Anonymous, this entire site proves that the World Mission Society Church of God is not the “true church”. What evidence do you need in order to finally realize it?
So the bible says that there will be a church that drinks from a golden cup and that one sign is enough to show that the catholic church is the mother of all prostitutes?
Why don’t you sign up on the forum and discuss with us and prove how you came to that conclusion?
Have you read 1 John 2:22? Does it not describe who is the liar and the anti-christ? Does it not say that whoever denies that Jesus is THE Christ is the liar and the anti-christ? The moment you make Ahnsahnghong another christ, does it not mean that the bible proves that the wmscog is the liar and the anti-christ?
last time i checked, a court case is not “man’s opinion” any more than publishing it is persecution.
ed says
i was a member for many years its not to make you feal like that its about the facts at hand and why it makes you feal that way. when god made man in his image he made adam only read Gem 2:8 who do you see there in the garden? It states god had put the man there. He is there alone Eve had not yet been created till the next day from Adams rib. So when God made man in his image he only made Adam he did not make Eve when he said lets make man.Then the bible states why Eve was made because Adam was alone and had no helper she was taken from ADAM and his rib. that means in adams image not Gog. in gen it is telling you the events of what is going to take place god mad man and then a woman but it was not at the same time or in the same reason.
Shimon says
nonsense Adam and Eve were both made on the sixth day God the Mother or no God the Mother. In fact, God did NO work on the seventh day God the Mother or no God the Mother.
ed144 says
ok we will go with that for now, but god did not make them at the same time when he spoke of there creation. for a day is like a thousand years on earth but in heaven a thousand years can be like a hundred thousand years for in heaven there is no such thing as time and thatâs where the story of Adam and eve first takes place. Gen chapter one is clearly the order of the things to come not the event itself. That is made clear in gen 2:8 because god put Adam in the Garden of Eden and he was alone and alot of creating takes place before eve is created. Then god created eve from Adams rib because he was alone and had no helper. We can therefor trace eve to Adams genealogy but you cannot trace Adams genealogy to anyone but God creating Adam in his image. Thatâs why Adam said this in now bone of my bones and she shall be called woman for she was TAKEN OUT OF MAN. Its clear Adam gave her the name woman it was not given to her by god in gen Ch. 1 because Adam named all things on earth. Gen 2:7 it states again God formed man from the dust of the ground and gave him life. Again no mention of eve at the time of his creation of Adam only Adam. So itâs clear only Adam was created when god said let us make man in our image. Then the creation of eve is described in gen 2:20 while god is talking about animals he mentions eve along with them in the same sentence because she is like the animal or the beast of the field. The WMSCOG even teaches that the serpent deceived eve because she was not created when god told Adam not to eat from the tree of good and evil. She had not yet been created so she was not told by god not to eat from the tree of god and evil so the devil deceived her.Did god say lets make eve in our image when she was created NO HE DID NOT.not to meanton god gave Adam his name and Adam named his wife eve in gen 3:20 should I go on?
shimon says
both Adam and Eve are made in God’s image no matter [comment moved to forum for further discussion]
Nina says
Adam and Eve were not made on the same day. If you read the bible you will see that this is fact. Adam was made first, than God made all the creatures of the earth and let Adam name them. The next day, God made Eve from Adams rib so he would not be alone.
ed144k says
How new are you in the church? why dont you tell me about copy and shadow I know it well. pleas explain it to me and what it has to do with anything pleas.
I understand the copy and shadow teaching as it was taught, but this teaching is flawed and not scriptural by any means. I’m a former member.
Vlad says
“We are always persecuted, don’t bother with the internet.”
– My local COG.
Tommy says
This is a very interesting argument. I remember hearing Hebrews 9:28 many times when the wmscog wanted to defend their claims about ASH. Basically they said that Jesus came to bear sin and that Christ would return to bring salvation, therefore ASH was Christ because he brought back the Passover. When I was there, the wmscog defined Christ as “god in the flesh” so they also considered ZGJ to be “christ” as well. But I remember the wmscog saying that “mother” would be very sad and wouldn’t smile during 3rd day (Tuesday) and Sabbath services because she was bearing the sins of all of her “children”. So doesn’t that contradict their interpretation of Hebrews 9:28?
Tommy, thank you for commenting.
You are correct. If they say that ZhangGilJah is bearing sins then that does directly contradict the WMSCOG’s interpretation of the verse. Just another contradiction to add to the already long list.
betti says
Hi!
My sister was recruited in this organization. All of a sudden, she is telling us that we will go to hell and that we are satan-worshippers. We are troubled with her behavior since she hates us as well because we are strong Roman Catholic followers. We already don’t know what to do with her for her to stop this.
my dear sister, your sister knows the truth,and in most cases people fear the truth.your sister is actually trying to save your soul,it means she feels bad to see being destroyed.my advice is take time and listen to her and then make decision but bear in mind that even if you are sisters physically it does not stop God from taking only the sheep but not the goats.and never say she didn’t tell you.God bless you!
Stop deceiving people with all your pagan doctrines. Remember the gods you are worshiping is false, they are Buddhist by birth. Still if you insist that they are gods, then you are definitely in the lake of fire. The devil has captured you, it is impossible for you to free yourself, because you have gone out of your mind to believe in God who were before 30 Buddhist. Just imagine who must captused them, it the devil. Brothers and sisters there is no need to be afraid of what they teach. Read the bible study it, make the teaching of Jesus christ come in your life, everything will be alright. Even after keeping the passover, disaster have come and people died. Do not be afraid, come out of this madness of WMSCOG. You will be free.
My suggestion is, don’t fight your sister. If you have tried to show her through scripture, history and the contradictions in the teachings of Ahnsanghong and ZangGilJah and she didn’t listen, stop. The Gospel is simple, Jesus Christ Died for our Sins and rose again. Jesus is our salvation, no Passover or Sabbath can save you except faith in Jesus Christ. He is the way, the Truth and the Life. not some pagan rituals like heavenly parents day and new Jerusalem day which are not in the bible.
The more you try to fight your sister the more she will tear away from you. She needs to hear the truth in segments at the same time while understanding that you love her more than the destructive cult. Show her love and compassion because that’s what she thinks she is getting from this cult but it’s all fake. They will fail her at some point – she will miss a tithe payment and they will shun her like they always do or she will miss enough services that they will start threatening her with hell and being cut off from the vine.
When this happens, show her more love so that she will see who has been telling her the truth all this time.
Peace.
fywmscog says
they have a book called mother’s wish. by joo cheol kim. anyone knows?
concernedcitizen says
Hi,
Like many others who have commented,I have been losing a close family member to the WMSCOG. I really appreciate this site and I recently found it after doing some digging on WMSCOG’s peculiar interpretation of the bible. I am looking for some advice on how to convince my sister to see the church for what it really is. My sister has been a member for more nearly 2 years now and at first she threw herself into all of the studies, so of course my family became alarmed. She asked us to come for a study and come for a service one Saturday. I thought the study and the service was interesting, as I am a person who sees value and some truth in many different religions, however my openness to other faiths would not allow me to just accept everything they were saying as “truth.” Plus the 2 times I went to the church, I did not get a good vibe from it, and as other people have mentioned on this site, the energy of the members like they were sooooo happy to meet me and didn’t even know me, was very strange. Anyway, after my sister finished her studies she seemed to lighten up a little on her attendance and fanaticism, but then recently it started to get worse as she mentioned to us she wants to become a leader in the church. When my parents first worried that the church was a cult, I tried to reassure them not to worry that they just have different beliefs than a traditional Christian church but they aren’t trying to harm anyone. That’s what I thought at first, and although I couldn’t get with all of my sisters beliefs, I wasn’t going to try to refute them because if the church made her feel at peace with God who was I to change her mind. However now my stance is changing and I’m starting to feel compelled to pull her away from the church and show her all the inconsistencies. I’m concerned about her continuing to sacrifice so much for the church (TIME, MONEY & SANITY) thinking that shes doing it for God questioning everything outside the church without even questioning anything inside the church. I think this website will help me pull together sources of info to perhaps show her, but is there any advice on how I can do it in a way that isn’t trying to prove anything to her, but instead be a catalyst so that she will at least attempt to see things from a critical eye? My sister can be very stubborn and I’m scared she will just brush this off as another attack on the church without even considering any of the information. But at the same time she has always been very interested in bible study that’s how the church was able to recruit her, so perhaps if I can line up the inconsistencies in their interpretations of the bible to show her, perhaps that will be a starting point. Any advice on what may have worked on other former members would be helpful; I read some of the former member testimonies but it seems a lot of former members begin having their own doubts without considering the influence of family doubts, so Im wondering if its going to be something my sister has to wake up one day and see on her own, or if someone like me from the outside can give her a push? Thank you and sorry for the long thread!
I need help please! I have a 26th old son that is in this crazy church and I am having a hard time trying to convince him that they are not right. I’m not gonna make this a long note but please if you can help me I would greatly appreciate it cause I don’t know what to do and he lives in a different state I do. It’s really stressful and I need all the help I can get. Thank you!
Hi Capri, Please don’t stress too much. This cult is not as bad as one might think. Your brother is not gonna die – well at least not physically, only spiritually, unfortunately.
There are many videos you can play for him which are on the internet like Pastor Mike Winger who beautifully and calmly destroys this cult from the power of Scripture. If your brother does not listen to the truth of Scripture – like they teach him not to, please don’t fight him. Just love him. Love him better than the false love he receives from the cult. It has worked for me. I preached so someone close to me, argued and decided stopped for a while and just showed love. Today she has come to see the truth. Thank to God!!!
your sister knows everything idlers do so when you tell her it will be like some other thing
internet is trash in trash out God has given the power to understand why look for other peoples opinion
I am sure at this point you’ve seen the falsehood of the wmscog and have come out of there. Please share your experiences with us. We really want to know what it took to get you out of there. Did you read Anhsanghong’s books and realise they say nothing about god the mother? Did you somehow find Ahnsanghong’s book where he taught that god the mother is a delusion or did you realise after reading the Mystery of God and the Secret of the Spring of the Water of Life that only Jesus is the saviour even in the last days in accordance with Ahnsanghong’s own words? Which did it for you?
Thanks in advance.
Daryl Duncan says
Please send me info – my son just got involved last week & it seems i can tell him nothing
T. H. says
God the father and God the mother is not even a possibility. God the father would have broken a covenant in order to make Mary with child. This would also have made Jesus the illegitimate son of God. Not a perfect sacrifice for the worlds sins.
Laura says
You do not see the scriptures accordingly, Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, he created them male and female. So there are two images male and female, in the Hebrew Bible God stands for Elohim(plural)
Your argument has been completely refuted here in this article. Please read.
T. H. says
Hi Laura, please do some research for yourself. Elohim is the plural for god however in Hebrew when you place a plural in front of a singular topic is simply says that the topic is great or superior. I’m sure you can agree that God is great and surely superior. I’m glad I can help you with this. There have been many things that this group has mislead people about. Please take everything your told and research it for yourself. You might want to start with Constantine. They say he abolished the Sabbath but history proves different. Don’t take my word for it. Do your own research. The truth will set you free. May the love of Jesus Christ lead you back to him.
but actually,laura is right. because if god the mother did not exist why there are mothers in the family. even on plants.animals and etc. there are mothers who were the copy and shadow of god the mother. i am not a member of the church but after the discussion about them i realize what they are sharing about is true. but i am not forcing you to believe. let us just wait for god’s coming. if who will be eternally joyful and who will be eternally suffer.
Laura, has your mind changed about the images of God?
EmIly says
Please keep up with the good work! May the Great Alfa and Omega continue to bless your work as your words may lead those back to remember there one true love of Jesus Christ. Thank you so much for all of your time and effort! May many repent and learn the meaning of true discernment that we never stray again. Remember people God speaks to us but so does the prince of the powers of the air. Do you know who you are really listening too?
T. H. says
I believe that the words, “God bless you” are being used to influence members. When ever someone from this group calls my wife (which is several times a day) they always seem to start and end the conversations with, “God bless you.”
T. H. says
Is this one of the books WMSCOG uses? Please tell me it is so I can get my wife to look at it. The reason I ask is because on the cover of the book it has their name.
U know what’s sad, is that someone would apply to get recognition for serving others. Clearly not the Jesus I know “do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing”. The Pharisees gave in public to be seen before men. True followers of Jesus serve anonymously.
baldmanrox says
I am not at all a religious person – but I believe it is also taught that if you are looking for recognition of your charitable givings – you are being charitable for the wrong reasons.
Exactly! I remember for one blood drive they were asking for more members to donate because they need X number more donors. More donors for what? To reach what quota? Clearly they weren’t doing the drive because the people in hospitals needed it. They were doing it to get recognition.
I have now heard that this group uses the story of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar as a prophetical representation of God the Father and God the Mother. Are you kidding me? They are making it really easy to prove them wrong. Lets say that this representation is true. If it is then God the Mother told God the Father to sleep with another woman what’s worse is that he does it. Would God do either of these things? Of course not. Lets go on. After he makes the other woman pregnant he has sex with God the Mother and she gets pregnant with the child of promise also seen as the son of God or a prophetical Jesus. But hold on, God the Mother is the bride of the Son of God according to the scripture and the WMSCOG. Isn’t this incest? Would God ever do that? I think that this group needs to cut its losses now, pack its bags, admit its a scam to its members, and disappear off of the face of the earth.
Leland says
It’s so sad to see the responses from WMSCOG members, they seem so simple minded and brain washed to the extent that they can not see the simple truths right in front of them. My daughter has been involved with them now for 2 years and she has changed. We pray everyday that she will come to her senses and realize that she is being lied to. She is penniless and we have had to cut her off financially. Since when does a church allow their members to give all of their finances? I challenge all their members to give $1 a week and see what their “Savior” will say about that!
Anonymous says
I went to this church for about a month and it messed with head. My now ex boyfriend is still a member.. They even made me feel guilty for working at a special needs school funded by Catholics.. They try to tare you from you family and loved ones.. Your job etc… I dont think it is ok to bash a church but I think ppl are just angry from the harm this church is causing… Church isn’t suppose to make you feel this scared and awful..
MountainMom says
A real church DOESN’t make you feel scared and awful. A harmful one DOES. It is unfortunate they are so manipulative, but how else could they get anyone to join?
Please help I have a daughter who just joined and she has totally changed, she is like a zombie, sleep deprived, instilling fear that the world is going to come to an end, she is not LIVING. She did not want to go to her own aunt funeral. They are isolating her. She criticize other religions. We are not suppose to JUDGE anyone God is the ultimate. I am the mother, and I feel so helpless
BSR says
Funny how the church still plays and preys,…instead of praising and praying. It has been that way since Jesus walked the earth. Even he was p****d about it and flipped the tables in the temple.
Okay people here it is. GOD IS EVERYWHERE. GOD DOESN’T COST A THING. Four walls with a cross stuck on the top, nor a tent or a gathering have anything with “keeping the lords day holy”. It is more about taking a day to reflect on all you have done and the joys God has given you. Church is a business. They sell religion. Business has been pretty good over the last 600 years. People go there, pay there tithe, sit for a few hours and listen to a tale. If you can read, open the book and read it. “Dont be led blindly like sheep”. It isn’t hard. Use your own head, talk with friends if you dont understand.
I get so tired of the blatant ignorance people show. They want to follow even when they are mislead. At some point you have to open your eyes, research the history of the bible, its teachings and why you clutch that book. Make up your own minds.
Anonymous & Carmen —- Ive been going to this church for about 6months now, and I really believed I found God .. The way they teach you the bible is so amazing , fun and you believe with all your heart its true,,, But in all reality it’s not! True god almighty dont dwell there , but the devil him self …. That pastor, [name removed by admin] is Satan in the flesh and I dont care what any one else think…. He is totally the opposite of what he preaches…. He is pure evil… First he try’s to scare the skin off of you, then say “if you do what i say then you will be my sister/brother and i will be your brother , if not your Satan” What kind of holy man speaks like this…… The fact that this website is up is a good idea. people need to know the truth about this fake church. This church gives you false hopes and dreams. And all they do is take take, take , your hard earned money.. For there queen in Korea… This CULT can destroy your life,I almost gave up everything because I wanted to serve “GOD” and I would of too, if my friend and websites didn’t wake me up from this spell…. I feel so hopeless inside and confuse…. Who can I trust?
ed says
Since his real name is not [removed by admin] it’s a aka, lets call him pastor [removed by admin]. I used to be mad as hell about him kicking people out of the church and the way he would screw with people in order to make them leave on their own. Trust me now, it’s a blessing. I hope he makes everyone angry so they all quit. Don’t feel hopeless or confused. Did not God open your eyes and get you out of there? Trust in God, He is still looking over you.
Free at last! says
Pastor, [removed by admin] was really happy to sue ji-won tak , he was bragging about what he did.
He also had members sign a consent document stating, we can not use the books to slander the church or use it for our own privilege .
What church you know would act in such of behavior. He’s truly all about the cash. And this whole organization called ” CHURCH OF GOD” is only a business. And soon ALL the member’s from this church will know.
I just pray they dont end up in a crazy house.
T. H. says
In the sermon, ” What shall we give to god?” a young brother is stealing two eggs a day from the family. His reason for doing it is to buy new shoes for his mother. This story is designed to tug on your heart strings. Upon further thought and holding it up to the Word of God is this not still stealing? WMSCOG still believes that stealing is a sin don’t they? This son keeps his activities a secret even though his family is trying to find out why eggs are missing. Isn’t that a form of lieing? In the end he presents his mother with the shoes, finally comes clean about what he’s been doing, and everything is alright. What? Again I say What? This kid lies and steals and it’s alright? Where is the needed correction? It seems that the WMSCOG believes that the ends justify the means. Is this what they call a righteous lie? This must mean they believe that lies are ok as long as the end product is good. Judging from this sermon, everyone can expect to be lied to by this group if they feel that they can influence you into their idea of good. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord Jesus and that includes not lieing and asking for forgiveness and accepting correction if we do.
where to go, now? says
I’ve been a member for about 6months. I thought this was it i finally found god, I understood the bible, and its meaning. They put in your head the reason you suffer is because we are sinners and this is our punishment. if we have no money , no education, if we had a baby ect…. This was our punishment from god. And the only way to live a better life , is if we walk in the light of god ( following them). I almost dropped out of school, and was about to give up my apartment , to get a job and give them my money.. I felt like i would of did almost anything thing because I believed i was doing it for god… Then one day my friend tells me she’s leaving the church and never going back, i couldn’t understand why would she want to leave “mother & father” , Then she started saying that the church is a cult , its not real, they are brain washing me ect… .I started looking at her as if she was the devil, i felt she wanted to spiritually kill me , because she was leaving. I was so upset with her that i told my deaconess and i didn’t want to speak to her again , and they told me not to speak to her as well.Days went by and i started to question my self, saying what if she’s right! I felt so spiritually weak , i thought i was losing faith, I was upset at my self for even paying mind to her. one day my curiosity got the best of me and i stared searching the web looking for information, and i couldn’t believe it. Then I stop cause i didn’t want to believe what i was reading….
One day on sabbath we had service and pastor [removed by admin], started talking about the history of Anh,” he said how Anh was married and divorced with 2 children,And he and “mother” never married. Anh never prayed in his name , but in Jesus name, and Anh never claim to be God, he was the teacher. Pastor,also said that one day in Anh time, A lady went into his bag and looked at his notes and saw that a bride is to come. This lady claimed to be the bride .
supposedly when she caused tension within the members she was kicked out. Anh said that there is no bride and the bride is the church to protect “mother”, that was it for me . The spell was broken and I started to think for my self again , I did more research about this so called god and it broke my heart I couldn’t believe they would do such a thing. I feel so raped and hopeless, confuse, and anger all mixed up … It’s not right, this can truly distort a person’s life .. Luckily my daughter keeps me sane. I hope every member’s from WMSCOG cult wakes up sooner than later.
Thank You soooooo, much for this website.
God bless you! â„
ed says
where to go now keep to yourself. did you see how convincing they where with the bible all the churches are much like this. I’m shure when God comes again his true church will keep all of gods commands not just sabbath,passover and some feasts. Like love, forgiveness, not judging, lying, marriage etc. which this church does not care or have an opinion about or keep. People there who dont participate in preaching are singled out and harassed by the pastor. He will even take you in his office and ask you what your doing going to church as if faith in God is not good enough. They love to make examples of people for all to see and the rest love to talk about it. I heard that fool for a pastor in Receda tell a story about George Washington about chopping down the cherry tree that he could not tell his father a lie and that being honest was the point but it’s not the point. That story is told in school to our children because honesty leads to truth and truth to justice. Washington was willing to take his punishment for what he did. That is why our constitution was written by Washington reflecting this story, but is it not strange that mankind has a grater moral standing for the laws of man than this church has for Gods commands and laws? Should it be said that we don’t have to keep the laws of man since we are above Gods commands and laws? If that is the case then there would be no way to know right from wrong and there would be no such thing as a sinner. So in the present case killing stealing, lying, cheating, divorce and out with the ten commandments is ok with gods true church? How is it then they claim to keep the Gods truth?
AMANDA says
I am so sick to my stomach, I don’t know who to believe any more, alot of their studies make sense, like the sabbath and the passover, the seven feast of GOD, I can see that so clear, it’s in the bible in black and white. BUT, LORD forgive me if I’m wrong…..BUT I don’t and can’t see MOTHER, I JUST SEE A HOLY CITY coming down out of GOD. They try to make me feel guilty, I must believe in both to be to SAVED! I have so many questions and it’s always the same run around, next lesson you will see, and I see nothing, but feel EVERYTHING, I may be new but GOD created no fool, Seriously, I HAVE ALOT TO SAY, BUT for now can someone tell me how you figure from 3 verses that we have a mother god, Our CREATOR IS ALL OVER THE BIBLE, but mother is not. They tell me that the bible testifies about mother from begining till end..THEN SHOW ME,BECAUSE THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY! AND don’t use the verse, the reason they don’t see or hear is because they do not belong, because like i said above i do see, SABBATH, PASSOVER, AND GODS 7 FEAST, maybe i don’t see mother because she don’t belong. I know i sound harsh for saying this, but no one here can JUDGE ME, ONLY GOD…. but like i said FORGIVE ME LORD IF i am wrong, BUT I AM SOOOO CONFUSE, PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND
đ I’M DYING HERE…SPIRITUALLY
Its ok.. relax. Faith in Jesus is the way. Look out for false prophets and do all you can to walk as Christ walked. If you see biblical hopscotch, then do not believe a word of it! Parables, prophecies, and eye witness testimony should never be combined to make a point. That is what they do. I could probably use the bible to say some other seriously blasphemous stuff with just as much believable using their tactics. Hold fast to the truth and read the new testament. It is clear that there is one God, the Father.
So “god” didn’t know that someone was looking through his belongings? So “god” needs notes? Why? Because he might forget his interpretations of the “truth”? Sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
amanda says
WHERE TO GO NOW…WAS THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN PEOPLE WALKED OUT OF CALIFORNIA ZION AND THEY (ALL THE EAST COAST ZION) WERE TO MEET ON A SABBATH AND PAY 20.00 PER person. THEN IT WAS DROPED AND A PASTOR WENT TO ALL THE ZION AND SHOW TWO VIDEOS AND SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE SLADERING THE CHURCH, and that he trew out two sisters for slandering and that he was going to sue someone in the internet (could this be THIS site I hope this site is hacker proof I hear so many things) who has a website of church and he made EVERYONE SIGN a paper that if we leave the church and talk about it or put out their books or materials that he would sue us too. HE talked about some (umo) lady who stole book and found out the truth of a mother god so ash wrote another book with her name in it becuz she was claiming to be GOD. That sounded so fake to me, like really WHY would GOD need to write book. WE HAVE THE BIBLE!
ed says
amanda did you read the lawsuit? it’s on this site. they have been hiding this info and that’s part of what daniel is refering to
ed says
amanda yes that does corresponed to whats taking place in LA and your sisters where most likley asking the same info we are. I would like to talk because the info changes church to church contact this web page pleas I will explain in detail and read my post ok.
Lost says
I was at that meeting and signed the contract!
Meme says
If you have already been baptized, how do you just leave? Did they try to find you afterward? I’m asking because they take your address and phone number and everything when you get baptized… I knew something was wrong when they started to say that there was a man and woman that was god on earth and their songs
were to them instead of god himself.
Meme, thanks for your question. When you stop attending, you can expect to be contacted by whoever was in charge of monitoring your activity. Kindly explain that you do not want to return and move on if that is what you wish to do. Don’t fall for their “we can answer any questions you have if you just come to do one more study” line. Or my favorite, “the internet is full of lies from satan”. That is just an attempt to suck you back in to their deception.
Hello Meme, as a former member I encourage you not to fear them. Yes, i bet they wrote your name and info in their so called book of life. They have many fear tactics and the more we are open about them, the more Jesus and His angels will protect us. If possible, just change your location for your peace of mind. We must keep praying for God to intervene. This is a money making organisation and we have the right to speak freely, especially after experiencing how they operate. They often claim people come and spy on them at their so called Zion. if they were truly who they say they are then they wont worry so much. how many times did Jesus take anyone to court?? How many times did he lie?? How many times did he demand that families only focus on him and not love their families?? Never did he do any of those things i mentioned. They carefully observe all members continuously. Cameras inside the sanctuary right on the congregation always made me feel uncomfortable. The so called mother never leaves Korea but is stationed there – why is that? Jesus moved about spreading that which he came for. This woman is not God and their is only one true God – Jesus of Nazareth. They will continue to put fear into the minds of their members. As we all know 2012 has come and gone. And only the God of Isaac, Abraham, and Jacob know when He will be back. We must pray in one accord, we must pray faithfully. The one thing that has always assured me that they are false, is that Jesus would not have chosen to be born into a pagan idol worship family. Their so called Christ was born in a contradictory way. He, God, gave us common sense for a reason. However, due to the intensity of their mind control tactics, it’s so easy to ignore the obvious. Too many lives have been destroyed, mine too, so yes, I will fight the good fight of faith in the almighty name of Jesus Chris who IS THE TRUE GOD! Meme, do not fear! We have a God greater than lies who sincerely forgives and protects.
Thank you for your affirmation that Jesus Christ is the one true and living God! I really appreciated your post. I am on this site because a couple came to my door today. I really feel like they were sent to my house for a reason. Perhaps so that their minds would be freed from the deception they are following. My heart breaks for these two people, especially the young lady who seemed to be the “trainee”. She has my cell phone and I have hers. I am praying that something I shared with her today would be a seed planted that God would grow to deliver her. Please pray for her and that God would give me wisdom, as I feel that I should share with her again. Any further insight would be appreciated.
-Tara
samtheman says
does anyone know how old is zhang gil jah? and does she have children?.
No, it’s not 72. She will turn 70 in Nov. 14, 2012. That is her birthday. I’m a new member of this church. For about three months. And i ask my Korean brother about her age.
anthony says
I’m in the state of confusion now, whether i have to continue going to the church of WMSCOG or go back to my former religion as a Christian Alliance. I get baptized in WMSCOG 2 months ago. And I continue go to their church to study and for me to really understand their belief. But, until now I can’t totally accept and understand that the 2nd coming of Christ already happened. And about God the Mother who came to the earth as flesh. I’m having a hard time if i will accept Christ Ahnsanghong as our Savior and also to mother New Jerusalem. Every time my Korean friend asked me if i totally accept God the Mother and Christ Ahnsanghong as our savior in this age. I just nod to him, with a smile. But deep inside, It’s not totally 100% that i accept Christ Ahnsanghong and New Jerusalem as my personal savior. I really don’t know why., Please advice me about my state of confusion right now.
hey anthony. unfortunately the e-mail address you left on your comment is invalid. if you contact me from the contact form, i can speak with you further.
Mark says
the same situation right here. My friend invited me to come to the Church and already baptized immediately. I can’t say no because every thing they say is in the Bible. But when my friend started to say she is the Heavenly Mother and the Holy Spirit is Ahn Sahng-Hong. I started to have a doubt. They seem very convincing and the Deacon was very nice and approachable . The place was decent and impressive. They are kind and understanding. Before I get into it, I will consult this to my spiritual advisor from my current Church. I am a logical thinker and at the same time have Faith. This will test if that Faith that I hold is true.
T.H. says
This is a good plan of action. I do hope that the advisor at your church understands about preconceived ideas backed up by specially chosen scriptures. What the WMS does is something I call slicing and dicing. You could do thid on your own as well. Take any idea that seems good to you and research through the Bible any scriptues that will back up your idea. Here’s a real simple example: the reched, knowing he was lost, took himself out and hung himself. – now go forth and do likewise. The first part of this refers to Judas after his betrayal of Jesus. The second part is from Jesus himself as he was addressing a crowd. Both are taken out of context but when put together it seems that we should go hang ourselves. This of course is not true but it is out of the Bible right? Please don’t fall for this kind of thing. You have a good idea going to you church and talking to a spiritual advisor. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes.
Everything is Biblical don’t let anyone put you down. If you see it is Biblical just keep going because others don’t get to. Not everyone is allowed. What you see and understand is for you and all you love not anyone else. You don’t need any approval from anyone weather you understanding clearly. You have been blessed to see. Like I said not everyone is allowed to see. You may go to 100 people or 1k and they all look at you as if your wrong maybe you preached to 10k, Who cares what anyone thinks because when you see it is right it’s right. And no one can say other wise. Take for instance if your family member gives you a yellow and green shirt and they say it’s called a yellow and green shirt because your family member gave you the meaning and reason witch is let’s say because the shirt is mostly yellow and only some green, and you go to your friend and say my Family member gave me this yellow and green shirt you should come get one for the family reunion, and he looks at you and says it’s green and yellow, then you say no its yellow and green because there is more yellow than green. Then he says it’s green and yellow. Sentimental feelings man. God put so much time into saving you. All you have to do is Study fo r yourself keep reading The Holy Bible and study with W.M.S.C.O.G.
If you study the basic studys memorise them. No one can take them away if you memorise them. Study one subject and when you understand it and you know it’s true without a doubt then memories it man because truth is pure and worth more than anything. When you have something perfect if it fits that’s the only way it will fit perfectly is if you only keep it perfect. People sometimes have there opinions let them be the hat that goes ahead and you be the tie and hang around. It will always be perfect to you now it’s just adding to the perfection and praying for those that could not see like you have. They may be with pride but we have God’s words that come From Jerusalem just as prophesied. They have no protection. They need the seal of God in order to be protected.
MikeyMan, really? This is your “logical” advise? You would equate a persons spiritual quest for truth to an argument over a shirt and then suggest that the WMSCOG gets to decide what you should know and /or think? How crazy does that sound? I hope you don’t take serious medical advice the same way. One doctor says he wants to do surgery for your headache do you jump right in or do you get a second opinion? The next doctor could run some tests and find out you’re dehydrated. Your headache goes away by simply drinking more water! Don’t ever get stuck only listening to one source of information like the WMSCOG! Do your own research! MikeyMan, you gave some really bad advice!
Religion, to me, is not a church, I believe in God, but I do not believe in any churches, to me churches are man made, they are made to serve men, to serve only the founders of that particular church, under the disguise of serving God.
There is NO God the Mother, no such character in the Bible, it is this cult that twisted the interpretation of the Bible to serve their needs. this God the Mother, and all the weird doctrine that they adapted by their own interpretation the some particular versus to confuse and brain wash their members. (such as no cross, and do service on Saturdays, instead of Sundays)
today on your 70th birthday I want to give you my warmest greetings publicly. And here is the place to reach most of the members and getaway members at the same time. The readers of this site are the most eager researchers about the truth, however on every single page that I read, I found at least one significant error. So, whenever I came here I went back to the church much stronger than when I had left.
This time it is different though. I am out even in case your church does have the truth. To me it is really still equally possible: That the church’s concept is completely right or completely wrong.
However, whether one way is true or the other does make a big difference. Some ex-members e.g. on this site have given a lot, have dropped their careers, have chosen a spouse who would only fit until the next end-of-the-world-date or have lost one who would have fit beyond that date. In your time zone in Bundang nobody yet has celebrated your birthday even though it has ended 7 1/2 hours ago. And nobody really will cheer you birthday on the upcoming Sunday, when the Korean moon calender shows your 71st one. They will mourn that it is their fault, that you still have to live on in this difficult place called earth waiting that the last sheep will be found. Maybe it is my fault, but what should I do.
We live on this planet for a limited time, and in a long term sense we will leave no traces here. For a few decades of course some will remember us, but for centuries or for millennia that will not happen. And even if… compared to eternity it all is nothing.
Yet, this little short life here: Is the world becoming better if nobody fights for their rights anymore? O.k., I ask the opposite question, too: Is the world becoming any better if everybody fights?
There are some things to fight for in my case, and I will not hang out out waiting and losing time. I hope I won’t.
Anyway, your path for change is long and hard either. Can I wish you good luck or something? But if I could I would.
since I’ll be off for a while, I am going to answer your next question now: How do I know the date?
Her birthday is on a different date every year, so it must be related to the moon calendar. In 2012, Nov. 14 was Oct. 01 in the moon calendar, and since the Koreans add one year at birth, she wasn’t born in 1942 but in 1943. A simple Google search completes it:
O.k., it is not that simple, but still, why could nobody find it out here? No offense, please, but all this arguing and fighting actually closes down the mind, which makes me think about my own troubles…
Good bye
T. H. says
There’s no possible way that we were angels. First of all the angels had already been created and the rebel angels had already been cast into the Earth before Adam was created. In Genesis it says that God created MAN. Not angels, MAN. Satan was already in the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve were placed there. We are made humans not angels much less angels cast out of Heaven. God doesn’t make mistakes and his word is perfect. The Bible also states that there was a rebellion in Heaven. This is when Lucifer and one-third of the Heavenly host were cast into the Earth to wait for judgment. This ended the rebellion in Heaven. The Bible also states that there’s no sin in Heaven. With these facts there can not be either rebellious or sinning angels in Heaven. Knowing the history of Heaven we know that the angels that rebelled have been cast into the Earth. Every sinful angel would be there waiting for judgment. God would not send some down there and others to possibly be redeemed. That would not be fair or just. God is fair and just. We are not and never have been angels. This is clearly a false doctrine designed to make people feel guilty for sin that they never committed.
John says
I have a family memeber who is this program. I am deeply concerned along with my mother and father to how intertwined she has become in this ‘church.’ I anyone can offer me any adivice or assistance with thi problem, it would be GREATLY appreciated. I’m so lost right now đ
Hello John, will be in touch via e-mail. Please make sure you receive it.
T. H. says
I recently read a sermon by WMSCOG which stated that the children of Israel didn’t enter the promise land because they grumbled. I’m confused, the Bible, where this story is found by the way, says that their disobedience is what caused them to stay in the desert until most of their generation had perished. Grumbling did happen but it was not the reason. Members of the WMSCOG please look at everything you are being taught and hold it up to Gods word. When it doesn’t match up get rid of it because it is not truth. I keep reading different sermons from their website and surprisingly I have not found one yet that is without fault. Throw out the bad stuff. Do your own research and find the real truth because what you’re being given is not the truth.
ed says
I want all of you to know one thing outside the church and inside the WMSCOG. We are not blinded by the devil nor are we slanderers against you who wish to distort the church and the rest of the WMSCOG claims and accusations that they’re making against us. ON the contrary we are dismayed,in disbelief,confused,hurt and angry. In fact it has been the WMSCOG who has spread lies and rumors about us in order to discredit our reputation and its you who have helped them spread the false accusations around. We have only seen some information the church has been trying to cover up and get rid of because this has been happening throughout the church for many years. we are not the first and most likely not the last. I know you inside the church are too scared to look but it does not go beyond common sense and it’s not spiritual as well.The information at hand puts a wrench in the history and teachings and claims of the WMSCOG fulfilling prophecies and the like. THIS IS NOT OUR FAULT so stop and think a little harder about whats taking place.If the information at hand is false or untrue and has been fabricated it should be easy for the WMSCOG to prove publicly if there is nothing to hide so we may all feel at rest and sure of our faith,a solid foundation.There are just some questions that came up as a result of a book that ASH wrote and a law suit between the NCPCOG and the WMSCOG. When we asked for an answer about this our faith was immediately questioned. this was not expected. it was said we were slanderers.The church is throwing so much information around thats its information overload and hard to discern the truth.Why is this being done instead of an upfront explanation from the WMSCOG. Does the church have a solid foundation or not?
dojo says
they will reconcile this somewhow regardless of discrepancy.
world mission church of god’s or any cult’s strategy is to draw conclusion first and then find ‘evidence’ later to support it.
In your post, they can reconcile it by doing the following:
– ahnsahnghong IS jesus.
– ‘heavenly mother’ is also an angel.
dogma indoctrination in world mission church of god so strong, members cannot see anything but their organization view.
world mission church of god is just an organization for recruiting new members and making money in the process.
T says
I totally agree, well said! It is definitely about getting people who have struggled, been addicts, or had a rough life to feel hope and give what money they have.
cHayzhie says
“world mission church of god is just an organization for recruiting new members and making money in the process.”
Mr. Dojo: Who told you that COG organizati0n are recruiting money for the members did you enter to our Church? Don’t take wrong assumptions and predict something bad in our Church. Why all the world ought to proclaim that the 2nd coming God is Cult????? Isn’t make sense??? You don’t know what you are talking so please all of those who don’t want to believe! Mind your own business. Respect!!!!!!!! đ
May God bless you!
T.H. says
cHayzhie, there are many things Ahn never taught. The WMSCOG has destroyed the intent Ahn had for his congregation. Read more, you’ll see what I mean.
world mission church of god is a cult that can break family apart.
HopelessToyFriend says
Hi, i recently in the last month became aware of this cult through a friend who is actively recruiting me now. She was like this whole other person a few months ago who i got along with great. Then we hit a few snags in are friendship and i stop talking 2 her as often then she finally blew me off enough 2 where i just stop even trying to be her friend. After 2 weeks of not talking 2 her she finally text me asking do i want 2 “study the bible” long story short(ened) i learned passover,baptized,noticed we no longer did anything but bible study,observed her personality change,and finally after asking and hearing i have to study more finally learned about second coming and the mother…when i started 2 explain how thats not how i interpret new jerusalem she almost flipped saying i believe in mother repeatedly.me reconizing what really was going on i stopped and asked for another explanation. i tried 2 finish on a good note so that i could have time to think how can i show her the truth without trigger those defense mechanisms and losing her as a friend forever. i know shes in the recruitment stage now so shes in deep i just would really aprecciate any and all help u can give me and gbu:)…(outsiders inside joke)
thank you Andy. I hope it has been of some help to you.
Lilly says
I feel your pain. Keep on praying fro those who are under this trance because they don’t know Jesus Christ Jesus and God is divine no mere MAN CAN TAKE HIS PLACE. Happy to know that you saw the light and got out of the darkness. God Bless you always. Keep strong.
janet says
Hi Emily. If what you say is true I will be doomed but if what WMSCOG says st true you will be doomed. WMSCOG follows the teachings of JESUS, sabbath, passover etc as you know All these are the teachings of the bible which God commanded us to follow and the WMSCOG teaches us this. Now you tell, without following commands of God can I enter HEaven?
Hello janet and thank you for commenting. You need to press the reply button when commenting so that the person you are replying to receives a notification that someone has replied to their comment. Have you read the context around the studies you were taught in the WMSCOG? I’m guessing that you haven’t. Please read these articles here.
ed144k says
The bible is so vast you can make up all kinds of lies and stories that are not true. The WMS cannot even answer the questions about Sara and Isaac having children together mother and son. What makes you think itâs true have you ever studied anywhere else besides WMS or it your opinion one sided there side. Go study with 7th day advantace you will see same teachings as WMS same with their new songs there not new but many are taken from mainstream Christianity. Over all the years I was there all the other churches always said you sound like 7th day, Jehovah witness ets. So the WMS just claims each church keeps a part of godâs truth and it all came together in the WMSCOG. It’s a great way to hid the fact it was the WMSCOG who stole there teachings and changed many things from the other churches when Christianity came to Korea in 1948.korea has a history of worshiping there emperors as gods a man and woman. they now apply that old wourd thinking to the bible. North Korea one leader and he is worshiped as god. South Korea free society and there are many people making that claim. Look at their history and you will see itâs always been that way. Itâs not as the WMS claims because many false Crist would appear in the last days thatâs a lie to fit there teachings it’s always been that way. Look up there history and you will see it’s always been that way
ed144 says
follow the examlpe of crist which the WMC has failed to do and keep gods commands somthing the WMS has failed to do. Dont you see they have put aside the commands of God who is crist. there mother does not know when someone lies to her face how can she enforce or keep the truth if thats the case. Soloman and high prist had more ability than God in the flesh. How con the truth be keept if no one there has disernment to administer justice. Thingk harder about crist examlpe he had dissernment and always knew what people were thinking and going to do.
Hi, recent to this site, as well as a recent, EX-member. You had a great point about how WMSCOG can’t “administer” justice. Members have told me stories of members being yelled at, and told to leave by Overseers. Then the overseer tells the Congragation, “See they were never “true brother or sister because A man shouldnt be able to make you leave!”. I never understood that. How does God have mercy allowing an overseer to yell at members for non sinful acts (I saw my old Elder yell at a new member for sitting slumped over, called her, “ghetto!” and advised her to leave). ThereHow does God allow that.
Mauricio says
Psalm 87
5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born there, and the same Almighty shall establish her.
Micah 4
1 BUT a place in the last days that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream it.
2 And many nations shall go and say, and go up the hill of the LORD, and the house of the God of Jacob, he will teach us his ways, and walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and Jerusalem word of the LORD.
Hello Mauricio and thank you for commenting. Is there a point you wish to make by posting these isolated verses? If so, please re-post in the forum.
elizabeth says
I am absolutely no fan of the WMSCOG, but this item really does no credit to your cause. It would seem that they had every valid reason to celebrate 25th Dec.last year as the birthday of Ahnsahnhong – it has nothing to do with celebrating 25th December in general.
If you or any true Christian were to investigate the history of celebrating Christmas and all the horrific rituals associated with this completely Pagan festival, there is no way that this is a time for celebration. The birth of Jesus would be justification for joy – yet we do not know when that was.
Hello Elizabeth and thank you for commenting. What “valid reason” did the WMSCOG have to celebrate Ahnsahnghong’s birthday on December 25th? You seem to be saying that Christians are celebrating pagan festivals on December 25th despite the fact that they are really celebrating the birth of Jesus. Yet you deny that the WMSCOG is doing the same thing by celebrating Ahnsahnghong’s birthday on December 25th. Christians can then use your same defense by stating that they are not celebrating pagan festivals on December 25th, but the birth of Jesus. The WMSCOG can say that they are not celebrating pagan festivals on December 25th because they are celebrating Ahnsahnghong’s birthday.
And you also say that despite Christians not knowing the exact date of Jesus’ birth, they celebrate it on December 25th. But the WMSCOG does know the date that Ahnsahnghong was born, and yet they choose to celebrate it on a different day. I heard the reason was because of the so called “sacred calendar” that they use to calculate all of their other dates. That means the date would have to be different next year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they celebrated Ahnsahnghong’s birthday on December 25th from now on.
G says
You are a complete dud.. it’s celebrated using the lunar calendar.. His birthday happened to fall on the same day as Christmas for the first time that is the reason.. wow just take down your site, it’s full of nonsense and u don’t even have any clue as to the bigger picture.. you just hate this organization because it’s flourishing when u think it should fall.. but let me just throw you Act 5:38..
Thank you G for commenting. Yes, Ahnsahnghong’s birthday fell on December 25th this past year. But don’t you think ZhangGilJah should have told your general pastor not to write what he wrote because 21 years later Ahn’s birthday would fall on that date? I guess your “god” wasn’t paying attention. Maybe this book will undergo some revisions too. A little presumptuous of you to think that Acts 5:38 applies to the World Mission Society Church of God. If a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mormon pointed to that verse and told you that they were the true church, would you believe them?
I watched most of your videos and stuff but see it never convinced me atall… Before criticizing the true church, Why don’t you prove Yourself true christian based on the Holy bible, rather than perishing man’s standards.
LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING, NO ONE WHO BELIEVES BIBLE ABSOLUTELY WILL NEVER BUY YOUR EVIL HUMAN IDEAS.
fromphil says
this year, the birth of Christ Ahnsahnghong, was last January. we use the sacred calendar…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion]
GodIsGreat says
Just been to my first bible study today. And boy, the preacher and pastor/deacon (whoever they were) wanted me to be baptized. But something was telling me not to. Told them I had some reservations and didn’t want to be baptized on my first Bible study. Went home and spent 2 hours online and came across this.
To the writer of this blog, you have my prayers tonight and the times I pray. God has kept you strong for you have trusted in Him your life. He will never forsake you. We must realize that everything happens for a reason. And before something happens, God, the almighty God has already planned everything for us. It’s ALWAYS a blessing. And we sometimes forget to see that even hardships are blessings in disguise.
Commit to the Lord whatever you do and your plans will succeed. (I read this from the Bible and it has been engraved in my heart and spirit since).
godisgreat want to go in and examine them. their doctrine has changed and they use a separation process on people in there message of salvation. Did you hear this when you studied? “you hear the words of god because you belong to God. And the reason other people don’t hear is because they belong to the devil.”
ercarr says
there is only one GOD,The One Lord Jesus Christ…Deut.6:4-9…1Cor.8:4-6,SOBEIT
How sad it is my soon to be x wife has forgotten how much one can sacrifice for somebody. she does not even know what happened to her. She whent through the seperation process of teaching and an implantation of ideas that she has heard repetitively. How it has become ones nature. I suppose that does not happen to all of us after 15 years I was an observer as the doctrine changed and became more controlling not to meantion things they said where to happen where not hapening. We where all moving tored the year 2012 something the church is now getting away from and when it got hear I realised it just getting started they are poised to go all over the wourld they want unquestioned dedication something normal in korean society. Im surprised the old members have forgotten what they learned at first. It was like faimily whene we came from sunlaned.I was telling people arouned me the old mebers who know more than there teaching now. You see they are being removed. there are many who I have said this to and thay are satanding where they are because we recongnize something fundamentally different now. we where even told 14400 where found and the time is at hand. Thay Insist on tithing as a sighn of faith its treated as a scall to judge you. Stop and you will see what im talking about. I no longer stayed for the day and I was singled out for excommunication and the leadership raised up frances and stated a smear campaigns to the congregation about me. Boy I will tell you what a four years it was. She made it easy for the pastor and koreans. I say that because they work as a team passing info to each other and intrducing it to the congregation to do its work and work it does. What they dont know I was watching them back and if I can get it down on papper to sort it all out as I grasp the phychological part to all this my mined will not stop its just how I work. I need to talk to anyone who can open up about it. Do you understaned the paterns and how they plainted thing on to your thingking. All you heard and see all you where told theres a patern. Its a pice of the puzzel and its something I want to see a little more clear. Pleas contact this site. OH and volunteers needded. There is much information to collect and I will direct you where to fined it.They know who I am and they have forwarded and pics and text arouned to members keeping an eye out for me it has become strange. To members I have become the face. WHAT THEY HOP IS THAT THIS JUST PETTERS OUT. Thats what has been happening the last several years as we talked to members who fell some time ago. Do you hear what I am saying to you dont let them stop you. you have love ones or freinds to take care of now. This is my story and by choice I will give it a face because my 2 boys are victims now being taught whoever does not come to church belongs to the devil this should not be in the mined of a child. And in the end the church may try to marry off frances because that has been the patern. I have seen this many times. My boy just ask here to talk to me in regards to comming over and she declined to speak also something he does not need to see. In church I am scorned and it was my wife who made something out of nothing was giving then what they could use. Anything I did work whatever got in her way of duties it was war and now divorce. I hop you come forward and stay strong.
No Name says
Mwhole family , that is . my mum, dad and my two siblings are all devoted members of this cult. The have tried every trick written in the book to try and get me into the cult but to no avail. I have decided to stay away from them until they come back to their senses but at the same time feel isolated and lonely without them. I cant compromise my christian beliefs. To me ‘Mother’ and the whole system is js crap!
I desperately need help. My husband is a member and it has over taken our marriage and affecting me and my children.
He now wants nothing to do with me because I don’t believe his mother and father god
Ian says
Earlier one of members of wmscog invite me on their service, I told him no thanks because I already heard enough all the stuff on their last service and i told him that I will never turn back on my on religion and beliefs,he keeps saying that devil is using humanity and all religions are evil which I disagree, and then he keeps texting about the scriptures which there is a lot of contradiction on it and I told him that not all human were being used by the devil and not all religion are evil and also I told him that God create us to have our own free will to change our beliefs but he is a little bit stubborn and still sending me some passages, I dont know if he is trying to control me because if he is its not really working because I believe our God the Father and our lord Jesus.
Jose, thanks for commenting. The NCPCOG tells us that they are in the process of having the books translated. These are the translations that we have so far here.
B. says
my daughter has recently started attending the WMSCOG and seems unfazed by my questions concerning how quickly she has rejected EVERYTHING she was taught while growing up. She is studying with the church and seems very meek, in contrast to her normal bubbly, almost sassy personality. How can I show her the truth?
B., thank you for commenting. I’ve also seen personality changes in my loved one. I would suggest reading the books suggested here. They should be provide guidance on how to communicate effectively with your daughter.
Naomi says
My boyfriend is part of WMSCOG and he’s really trying to convince me to come with him,and I have gone a few times and it doesn’t seem that bad but now that I’m reading all these stories I’m scared. I really like him but I do think know what to believe and he keeps telling me that this doubt is from Satan. What should I do?
Naomi, I am sorry to hear about your boyfriend. I am not surprised that he says that any doubts you have are “from Satan”. As you can see here in this article, this is what I was also taught when I was a member. You owe it to yourself to do your own research on this group. I hope that you find this site and the other resources suggested helpful.
Shelly says
This organisation nearly had me convinced in 10 minutes of meeting them that there was a Mother God and really pushed me into being baptised ASAP. No where in the Bible does it speak of a 4th God. Like most Cults they have translated the word wrong and they deceive many with their teachings, This is the works of the Antichrist Satan himself. Fortunately I never did follow them as Jesus showed me the truth. We have a friend who also got caught up with their web of lies and luckily God has slowly but surely got her free from their deception. I have learnt in my walk with God after being led away many times by false prophets and deceptive churches that I am safer at home for now watching Charles Stanley. I am growing spiritually and more grounded and feel happier. I will pray when I feel ready for the right church home but for now am happy doing what The Lord has instructed for me today. I pray that others are not deceived but this Entity.
Hurt says
I just lost my wife to this group … I am 19 years old… this is destroying me emotionally… idk who to talk to or what to do
Hurt, thank you for commenting. Please check your email for a reply.
Hurt says
This is great… so much useful information thank you so much… you are doing the world a favor by keeping this website running
shimon says
December 25 WAS Ahnsanhghong’s birthday by the Chinese calendar (the one also used by Korea) and by the way we have celebrated it EVERY year based on that calendar if you care to know.
Your website is extremely informative and helpful. Two of my family members are apart of this church. How can I help them see the truth or better yet the deceiver in action. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
whoarethey says
This is a good analysis.
I am glad to know this web-site and thank for admin.
This will help people to know who WMSCOG are.
Except this, there are numerous evidence about them and many things among them have not been clarified yet.
AnSangHong described himself as a “prophet” not “jejus” in his writting.
After his death, some of his followers called him “last comming jesus”.
WMSCOG is doing and insisting even different thing from their “religious reader”
Even we know that AnSangHong already denied God-mother in his writting.
Dee says
Thank you for this. My family member is deeply involved and even went to Korea this past fall. since I am catholic he basically does not even acknowledge me. I am worried for him. What can I do to help him? Thank you.
Sorry to hear about your family member. I have sent you an e-mail to follow up.
Lost says
I have been in the church for over a year. I’ve always had some doubts but kept them to myself. This website has helped me realize that I’m not the only one who felt something was wrong. I have often been “rebuked” and encouraged to change, which made me feel like I could never be “perfect” enough! I have devoted so much time and have avoided some family and friends because they were “persecuting” me and satan was using them to “kill my spirit”. So many members have been kicked out for being too “worldly”. I haven’t found a way out yet and I feel guilty posting this. I’m afraid to leave because I feel like I would be “hurting mother”. I’m a little scared to be honest! đ
hello, i feel the same right now…what did you end up doing?
Deval says
But Mother now knows and there’s nothing to be scared of so leave because we are all dead according to their beliefs and nothing will never change this truth. Remember, Jerusalem from above she’s our Mother and no earthly creature can claim that she’s down here which is true blasphemy of the Holy Spirit…
L. says
My daughter is a member of this church within 3 weeks it was like “Invasion of the body snatchers” what’s worst is that my 5 year old grandson is being taught and brainwashed initially when she came to me she was very adamant and mean spirited because I could not wrap my mind around a “Mother God” and “Ahnsahnghong” she lives in my home so she does not mention it anymore nor do I this way we can live in a more peaceful environment. Any words or help would be appreaciated.
Rahab says
I sympathize with you completely. My loved one became involved with this church while oversease and after coming home he was a different person. The first 6 months were absolutely awful. We made an agreement not to get the kids involved because they weren’t ready and we needed to work things out between us first. All glory goes to God for protecting my precious darlings. My advice for you is to keep loving her as much as possible. This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. Get a copy of Steve Hassan’s book “Releasing the Bonds.” Educate yourself and try not to panic. Your daughter is going to lash out at you so try to remain patient, loving and logical. Also do things, have conversations that bring up her authentic self before she joined the group, her pre-cult self. Try not to argue scripture. From the very beginning this group tries to seperate the new recruit from his/her family and previous life. They instill predetermined answers to your questions and usually say that you need to come to her church and study more. Keep exploring this site and any of the links. Be strong in your faith and live your life as an example to your daughter. You can do this with a lot of love, prayers and patience. Remember you are not alone.
Stephina says
May Almighty God richly bless you. You have been a great wealth of knowledge to me.
Isaac says
Also, where’s the proof of the 1999 doomsday theory?
I’m someone who’s currently trying to decide one way or the other about this church. I was actually just glancing through that same collection article which I got a week or two ago. As for the comment on ” fate of those who had large and luxurious buildings,” maybe he was commenting on those who made them because the magazine does seem to boast in several places on how they preserve abandoned church buildings especially on the second page. “The architectural styles of the Church of God are diverse. It is because they take over the buildings of churches that have lost their congregation throughout the world, and use them for their worship places.” However I must admit that I found the main/head church to be too oddly gorgeous. I thought to myself that maybe they bought it as is. But then they showed me in the film the artificial waterfall built somewhere near it I think and I thought to myself what a waste of money.
As for the church size being large comment, the estimated world population is 7 billion. When you compare 1.45 million to that, that’s only 0.021% of the world’s population. However I’ll admit ignorance as to the relative size of large churches other than the catholic one, which I’d throw out as using that as any basis for determining a large or small church…after looking it up it would seem they’d be in top 100 or close to it. He must be going on a world scale or something.
Wendy says
Actually you just said the reason I was going to give. I was told that because of the 360 days (least I think that’s the amount of days) a year calendar that it ironically just so happened to fall on December 25th this year. I think he meant every year because if one goes by that calendar it’ll eventually fall on every day of the year after enough time has passed. I think that it should fall on about the 21st this year based on that…or maybe the 20th since this is a leap year. However we’ll see what happens this year.
Wendy says
Hmm I thought they celebrated 30 day months and thus have 360 day years. Even when applying that rule to the 2005 example, they’re still 32 days sort of the 7th month. Sorry to sound like a broken record. I like numbers.
YahShanti says
I agree that the INTERNET ‘metaphoricallyâ is … [moved to the forum for further discussion]
T.H. says
Here’s a thought. In the end times there will be a great falling away of the things of God. This church proudly boasts that their church is growing while every other church is losing members. By their own admission they are not a church which has the favor of God.
Heyyou22 says
You are taking one teaching and [comment moved to forum for further discussion]
child of god says
for all of you i pray one day you will be blessed by god with hearing and understanding and sight for you are all blind. matthew 22:29…
ttr says
and we pray also for you that when you realize there is no mother god, that you will return to Jesus Christ, who has loved you since before you were formed.
Shimon, says
Such a statement contradicts not preexisting our, flesh
I used to go to this church but stop going after they try to convince me that god came and died already and for me thats bull . Anyway after doing some research i find out that they are nothing but one more fake church makin alot of money. I just hope to gather some prof so i can get the people that i got into that church out.
RAMYA says
HAI
U R MISTAKEN BROTHER U NEED TO KNOW FROM BIBLE. [moved to forum by admin for further discussion]
shimon says
I really see very little in common and nothing [comment moved to forum by admin for further discussion]
T says
I just pray God helps me get my friends out of this đ
Rahab says
That is my constant prayer as well.
Ellie says
Hi,
My mum has been attending this church for the past few months. I think though I have started to get through to her by relaying the information I have found on your site so thank you. My mum was also beginning to have her own doubts but this website has given much clarity.
I just want to add that they (or should I say her recruiter) have been calling her and coming around constantly, and I feel like they have preyed on my mother as she is fairly unwell and emotionally unstable. There have been times when they have knocked on the door when for 1 hour, non stop, I am not exaggerating. My Mum took this as a warning sign, this behaviour didn’t seem normal. What was more concerning was that 2 hours after this incident their car was still parked in our street. Could this have been them monitoring my mums activity? There have been other instances where my mum has not attended the Tuesday service and her recruiters car drove past and parked at the street adjacent to ours and have been there for a few hours!!! They didn’t come to the door, but I felt like they where again watching what was going on at our home? Am I just being overly concerned or is this a common thing that occurs with this organisation?
I knew something was wrong with this organisation as soon as my mother said she wasn’t given access to their bible at church, she was told she wasn’t allowed to read it yet. The whole thing worries me.
Rahab says
You are right to be concerned. This group is one to be wary of. Please try your best to keep your Mum away from them. If you suspect someone stalking your house, call the police. If you engage them, be polite, respectful, and strong. It is this group’s practice to constantly bombard new recruits and its members with visits, phone calls, emails, etc. I would be a red flag for me if a church group told me that I wasn’t allowed to read the Bible. It has been reported that this church tells members that they are not capable of reading the Bible on their own. They require that you study in groups so that they can tell you their interpretations in the lessons. They take scriptures out of context and piece them together to make their own conclusions. Your instincts are correct. Follow them.
Rahab says
I absolutely agree with you. I have been very perplexed about the logical thought process behind the WMSCOG’s teachings. As I have gone through the teachings and read the sermon books, my mind literally swims with confusion. I have been reasearching Validity and Argument online, and would agree that the ad-hominem and non-sequitur logical fallacies are right in line with the lesson structure. A seemingly valid conclusion can be arrived with invalid components.
NotSoLostAnymore says
Is it wrong to wear a veil? If I was to attend another church would it be strange to be the only one wearing a veil? I was just wondering because I always liked wearing the veil while in the WMSCOG. I still don’t feel right praying without it.
no, it is not wrong to wear a veil, it just does not appear to be required based on the text above.
Rahab says
If you are coming out of the WMSCOG then it will take baby steps to find your new way. If you are attendiing another church and you feel it in your heart to cover your head, then do it. It is not for anyone else to judge. Keep praying for the Holy Spirit to guide you. Remember that Jesus’ death made it possible for us to have an intimate relationship with Him. Strive to discover God’s Grace. It is so amazing and is in EVERYTHING! The indwelling of the Holy Spirit will give you authority, not a piece of lace. Good luck with your new journey and remember that you are never alone.
The Bible says in very broad terms about the male and female aspects of the Creator and does NOT specifically imply Ahnsahnghong and Zahng Gil Jah as there are NO verses and statements pertaining divine mother and father being born in Korea.
What doesn’t make sense is that the Scripture says [comment moved by admin to the forum here for further discussion]
Renita says
Whenever I ask about some things, I was told to [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
The comments honestly [this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
Preaching about the Passover & celebrating the Passover are two completely different activities. One can tell someone about something & not participate in the act. Also, one can participate in an act without telling someone else. As I understand it to be, Ahnsahnghong-nim preached about the Passover since baptism but did not keep the Passover until 1964. Let us think about Jesus. The Scripture says He was 30 when He began His ministry. However, it is only recorded that Jesus kept the Passover once, the night before His crucifixion. But when we look into the Scripture, we see that Jesus died 3 years after He began His ministry. The Early Church of God was not established until the Passover was kept very similar to WMSCOG. Even though the Early Church wasn’t established until the Passover, does that mean Jesus did not begin His ministry at 30? Does it mean He began His ministry the night before He was crucified? No, because Jesus said after His resurrection to teach everyone everything He taught the Apostles from which He began teaching, from His baptism.
Serious questions: Is preaching & participating the same thing? When did Jesus begin His ministry? When was the Early Church of God established in relation to His baptism?
Added note… The date of Ahnsahnghong’s death suggest He was just over 36 when He died. I may have done the math wrong but correct me if I did.
Renita,
If I am correct, the WMSCOG preaches that without celebrating the Passover a person cannot have eternal life and is spiritually dead. So you believe that Ahnsahnghong preached about the Passover but did not celebrate it with any of his followers? He just let them walk around spiritually dead and without salvation? That just doesn’t make sense. And FYI Ahnsahnghong was born on December 1, 1918 and died on February 24, 1985. That would make him 66 years old when he died.
The point is, Jesus was 30 when He began His ministry. However, Jesus kept the Passover the night before His crucifixion, 3 years after His ministry. Does it also mean He just let His disciples walk around spiritually dead and without salvation? That just doesnât make sense also.
You don’t know what you are talking about. FYI Christ Ahnsahnghong celebrated the Passover in 1962. So, everything you insists, sad to say, are all wrong.
Do your assignment! You are paid for this right? Come on you could do better than this. đ
Renita says
As I understand it, the sacrifice mentioned in He 9:28 [comment moved to the forum for further discussion].
Renita says
I don’t understande how Cyrus [this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
As I understand it, the Passover is the 14th day of the 1st month [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
I know people lie to hide things that they are afraid [comment moved to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
The songs the WMSCOG sing are about God. Many people believe in God [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
Serious question: If God can do anything, [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion]
Renita says
Serious question: As I understand, Jesus fulfilled the [thread moved by admin to forum for further discussion]
Renita says
In response to your arguement:
In, 2 Sam, Job, & Ps, it says it thundered. [comment moved to the forum for further discussion]
Carlos says
So even Ahn Sang Hong’s writings, considered sacred, can be altered or retrofitted to fit the evolving theology of the church! Although this reveals intentional deceit of church members, it does not surprise me from everything else I have heard about how they handle what they present as the “truth.”
Joseph says
thanks for this info. One of my family member are in this and how do I get her to see that this is all a lie..how can I open he eyes?.
Joo Cheol Kie says
Saturday Service Three times & Tuesday Evening & every day Preaching & weekly meeting.
Renita says
I have noticed that in some of the books, words have been altered. I’ve only been going to Zion for 2 years, so naturally I bought the books provided. But when I needed another copy, I saw some words were taken out or rearranged which sparked my curiosity. If the book was already translated, why are the words changing? I didn’t see anything as grand as removing 2nd Coming to His coming. The 2 are extremely different.
jellybean says
Yes! I remember during the feast the members that have been in “Zion” for longer time will have different versions of the books. Once I forgot mine and they borowed me one of the previous versions and it was totally different from what they were reading in the services. If you never been there and you wonder what do they do at 5am and 7pm services during their feast, they actually pick one of these books and read it in service and everyone else follow the leader quietly.
ed144 says
The wmscog always told us that ASH started thre thrird day service for thoes who could not make the first and second service so that would mean the people who make thoes two dont need to go so why do they and why do they thith during the third service? Also the NCPCOG does not keep a third service so how is it then ASDH taught that if it is not being kept by the NCPCOG. Im shure its just another lie about what ASH taught. Just more lie right?
WMS brother says
1. That Facebook post is not an official announcement [comment moved by admin to the forum here for further discussion]
Oh dear, removing the WMS members or anyone who opposes so that the person writing the article can “maintain” credibility. Note: Counterarguments are important in any discussion. Period.
plzreadtheprophecies says
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ed144 says
Jonah is the explanation of the early rain which WMS claims to represent 1988. The WMS claims it did not take place because Jonahâs preaching that the end is coming to the city because of the peopleâs sins and that they then repented so God did not destroy the city. The later rain which was taught as 2012 because God gave more time. Itâs all BS I have heard the underlining message for 14 years and at this point it makes me sick. In 1999 to 2000 the church message was about the world going through all kinds of trouble because computers where not designed to switch over for 2000 and how it could cause all kinds of global trouble including nucular countdowns,banking and finantual and that list went on and on. The WMS even showed us a 30 min film which was to scare the hell out of you explaining all that could happen including nuclear explosions it was a crazy film which had us all packing emergency supplies and backpacks. I still have mine. When nothing happened the church claimed mother just wanted to see who had faith by observing who prepared there emergency supplies. The church even gave $500 dollars to some members so they could prepare not feeling left out. At that time there where only around 30 American members in Los Angeles church and we had just moved to Sunland CA. This negative message about the end taking place sometime soon is used as a motivator to control ones actions through their faith and the hope of salvation and fear of hell and that date or time is continually being moved around as seen through peoples stories within the WMS. My x wife who is still in the church taught to all her friends and family the message of 2012 and now she claims she did not teach that, but she did through many different teachings including the 2300 days and nights another teaching that has changed. Her family can testify to this fact. When I confronted her with this she said well sometime soon it will tack place maybe in the next ten years I even hear the WMS said atonement day now lol. With this message of the end coming soon which is a joke on all there members I have watched as kids have dropped out of high school, collage, quit their jobs and people Simi retired and stopped planning for any future something I went through myself. As I explained to my x wife 14 years in church and now 2012 has been moved out another 10 years thatâs not soon itâs a third of my life if I make it to the age of 75 how is that soon. Whoever reads this donât be a fool work hard and enjoy growing old and good luck I will talk more about their message later.
WMS brother says
There is a difference between a false prophet, and the mercy of God. [this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
God bless you! I love to debate & I believe that many Brothers & Sisters say I am a strong gospel working because I debate so strongly. Well, see you in the forums. God bless you! =)
KB says
Wow, this is crazy! Can’t wait to see what will happen at the end of this year.
KB says
I always found it odd that ASH never referred to himself as Second Coming Christ. It was just assumed because â he brought back the Passoverâ, or atleast that’s what I was told. I could never push myself to believe in him as God 100% …it never felt right.
Denver says
I would like to comment from a Christian perspective: One thing we all should be aware of is that, in all so caled churches, there is a degree of indoctrination involved, where church leaders incorporate their own teachings as make it look like it comes from the Bible. So, it’s a matter of one checking everything. I don’t know much about WMSCOG, but judging by the comments from those with first hand experience, I sense that this is not a Christian religion per se but one one of the pagan religions.
My advice is, especially those that consider themselves Christian, to check everything against the Bible,(off course starting with themselves) to make sure that they themselves are on the right path before attempting to correct family members who might be misled somewhere. Otherwise, how do we save others when we ourselves are lost in the first place?
My approach would be to make sure that my family and I stand on a firm Biblical foundation (by studying and living by the Word)so that it won’t b easy to be carried away by false teachers roaming around. For example, [group names removed by admin] has succesfully infiltrated Protestant, Charismatic and Apostolic churches, working from within, to get them back to the same errors, deception and indoctrination taught by early church “Fathers”. So, who can accuse who for being deceived??
I would appreciate if someone could clarify whether or not this organisation is Christian?
ed144 says
they dont even consider themselves as Christians but a new world religion
Name (required) says
Maybe when he says the small church he means the Church of God’s Members against all conventional churches and catholic churches on a global scale?
If that were true then any church with less members than the WMSCOG, is the true church. Joo Cheol Kim’s entire reasoning is flawed.
ELOHIM says
que pena me dan los que dejan estos comentarios y lo que se explica en esta pagina; se puede ver y sentir cunta ira tienen a la WMSCOG, estan llenos de envidia y celos.. pero solo les digo que no es un solo reconocimiento que han recibido, sino muchos premios grandes y pequeños, comensando con la medalla precidencial, otorgado por el mismo precidentye de corea del sur, y en todo el mundo
how sad I feel for those who leave these comments and what is explained on this page, you can see and feel the “cunta ira” they have toward the WMSCOG, they are full of envy and jealousy .. but all I can say is that they have not just received a single recognition they have received many awards, large and small, beginning with a presidential medal, awarded by the very president of South Korea, and around the world
John says
Are you serious? You think that those two writings are different? [comment moved by admin to forum for further discussion]
John says
Bible also says let the world see your good deeds.
Matthew 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
So once again the Bible says differently than what you think it says. you are in error because you do not know the scriputres or the power of God.
Hello John and thank you for commenting. Yes the Bible says to let the world see your deeds but it also says not to announce your deeds with trumpets.
Matthew 6:1 âBe careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 âSo when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
It seems that you are the one in error.
BibleMaster says
Good deeds and charity concerning money is 2 different things. Pls understand why God says we shouldn’t reveal how much we give to the needy becoz many ppl would come to the church for the wrong reasons thinking that the church can support them monetarily and not for God. Good deeds and volunteer services is different, as what John quoted is correct, we need to let our deeds shine before men, if not how can we show a good example to others and allow people to understand God’s love thru our sacrifices and deeds?. This is an example of a true God’s children.
The “church” teaches that the light is the Gospel. So.. shining your light before men (testifying to and preaching the Gospel) is definitely considered a good deed and would bring them to praise the Father in heaven.
But of course a member will say in that verse light doesn’t mean the Truth. Right.. Right..
AT says
Amilkar 06/21/2012 Yes I aks one day “mother god ” represents our “spirtual” mother ???? Tying to understand were all this came from ? The Deacon told me NO SHE IS GOD…… and every body in the church understand it this was SHE IS GOD. These first and second they want all your time for them I was really tire and scare then I did not came back to the church,every time I ask something they will tell you NO you need to study more, you are like a child you need small amount of food FIRST. They interpret the bible ther own way, to match their believes. I am so sad because my wife of thirty years both of us Medical doctors in our country and now RN/BSN given our work to our community, to help people sick, WE are been decive… Thanks Help Question do you think that Hassan book will help me how about her if she dosen”t read it ??? I do not read thei books because of the same reason Thanks again…
Ronelle says
I am part of this church and got baptized on last saturday but somehow i dont feel comfortable and reading these comments are making some sense to me and i dont know what is going on anymore feels like i am loosing my mind
Hello Ronelle and thanks for commenting. Your situation sounds very familiar unfortunately. Please continue to do your research and spend some time away from the group so that you can have the opportunity to really think things through. Follow your intuition.
Ronelle says
hello Admin
I spoke with my sister in regards to them celebrating Ahnsahnghong birthday on the 25th xmas. She said is because they dont want people to celebrate xmas due to the pagan traditions and they trying to stir people away from celebrating xmas
So i said they contradict themself because firstly when i was there and they showed me the clip of xmas they said that no where in the bible does it say that Jesusâs birthday was celebrated.
I regret getting baptized because these people really dont know
I get so upset when they talk about how we were angels and got kicked out of heaven due to something evil we did ! where in the bible does it say that
Please admin show me where.
And this guy Ahnsahnghong he never proclaimed himself to be god right? or am i wrong?
I dont get the deal with this guy when i ask my sister why they say he is the second coming Christ she says because they give hidden scriptures in the bible of how he would look
Is this true? And not everyone will know because its only for the chosen ones that will know who he is.
Well Ronelle the Bible does NOT say that we were angles before and you can read more about that here.
You are correct. Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be “god” and you can read more about that here.
As far as your sister’s claim that “they give hidden scriptures in the bible of how he would look”, I’ve never heard that one before but maybe reading this will help.
Here are other articles that explain additional WMSCOG Biblical Misinterpretations.
shilpa says
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Tee Ar says
The WMS/COG says that he wrote of his Messiah-hood 4 years before the end of his ministry (Religious Weekly Newspaper):–
Ahnsahnghong was born on December 1, 1918. He turned 30 on December 1, 1948 and died on February 25, 1985. So he only “preached” for 36 years and roughly 10 months. So even if his “prophecy” was correct, and it isn’t for many other reasons, Ahnsahnghong did not fulfill it. He died almost a year too early.
patrice says
I am very concerned about how these people twist the bible verses. They put the fear of not receiving salvation and following satan into their members. I have three family members that attend “bible study”. It is consuming them. They tried to get me to join – and I resisted and still resist. Their members are told everything that is in direct opposition to their teachings is a “lie”especially the internet. I want my relatives to research the “lessons” and find out what is really true. Can you help?
Hello patrice and thank you for commenting. I am sorry to hear about your family members. In the Biblical Misinterpretations section of this website you will find examples of the scripture twisting practiced by the WMSCOG. Hope this helps.
Israel says
Very useful information – they are still going strong and door knocking – in this case with a questionnaire. Made me think they were students doing study research, not the cult members they are trying to recruit. Leaves a bad taste when you realise they truth, especially when you were just trying to be helpful. But as mentioned it does clearly illustrate the danger of hopping from verse to verse without taking them in full context.
JUSTME says
wow this is exactly the way i see it too!
mark says
I dont really understand this thing, please explain it to me.
The bottom line is that Ahnsahnghong did not believe in a “mother god”. Click here to read the book that he wrote and you may be able to understand this a little bit better.
Im with you on this one. However, it seems to me like the writer or should I say administration of the page do not fully understand what they alone are reading. I read about this suit previously and just checked back to see if there were any updates on it. All I’m seeing is a second former member also suing WMSCOG. To each their own. All I can say is that there is a Creator God, that being Elohim. And whether one believes or shall I say follow their “Church” of choice…judgement will be delivered in by the hand of the same God. There is only one. Faith and deeds are judged on a solo bases. And at the end of the day, God has the final say so…like if either of the ladies win their cases, that’s God’s work. But so is vengeance.
PEDRO says
HOLA saludos desde PerĂș, quisiera que pudieran ayudar porque actualmente mi esposa esta asistiendo a los cultos de esa iglesia hasta incluso se ha bautizado en ella, bueno eso paso en el tiempo en el que estĂĄbamos distanciados, el punto es que ella quiere bautizar a mi hija en esa religiĂłn y a pesar de que le he prohibido que asista ahĂ, ella se va a escondidas sin que yo sepa. Y la verdad es que me tiene desesperado y no se que hacer por mas que le hablo no me cree es por eso que acudo a ustedes a ver si me pueden hachar un mano para mi problema gracias.
Hola Pedro,
Por favor visite esta pågina web para ayuda en español.
EN says
We are close friends with a young couple.
They made the mistake of opening their door to these people. Now the wife is trapped in their net and completely brain washed by their publication “Evidence”
The family is tearing apart even as we speak.
Would appreciate any resource you can send me to reverse the situation.
I would welcome any suggestions to bring my child out as well.
How is this happening? It has to be more than about serving truth? My daughter has nothing in terms of finances?
Hello RJ and thank you for commenting. Please consider posting your question to the forum as you will likely get more replies there.
T.H. says
RJ, right now your daughter has been ensnared by teachings that are designed by this group in order to separate her from her family and friends. During the first teachings I’m sure that she was told something like, “Your family and friends are not going to understand what you have learned. It’s because the truth is not in them. You are one of us and they are being lead astray by Satan. They will try to take the truth away from you and try to convince you away from the truth.” By labeling their doctrine the “Truth” it makes everything else something other than the truth. As you have already read in this website this group twist the Word of God to suit their doctrine. Right now don’t dispute scriptures with her. Instead, keep reminding her about how much her family loves her. This group will replace the family if they can. They will try to convince her that they are her spiritual family and that they are more important than her physical family. Try not to give her a reason to feel rejected. This will only push her further into this cult. Keep reminding her about all of the good times and her good friends from before she joined this group. The more positive things you can remind her of the better. Make it so that the cult cannot compete in the love department.
RJ says
T.H. you are so correct! That is exactly the “Truth” as she has been conditioned to feel/think. I wish I understood this particular group’s motives…
T.H. I appreciate your MUCH NEEDED gifted & compassionate response.
ZhangGilJah is estimated to have been born in the early 1940s.
Explained Titan says
INTERESTING, IN THIS ARTICLE THIS SUPPOSED HUSBAND SAID AHN CALLED ZAHNG JIL JA HIS BRIDE… BUT IN ANOTHER ARTICLE ON THIS WEBSITE IN THE BOOK PROBLEMS WITH NEW JERUSALEM AND WOMENS VIELS AHN SAYS BRIDE IS A LITERAL CITY THAT WILL COME OUT OF HEAVEN. HMMM… WHICH IS TRUE?
Hello Explained Titan and thank you for commenting. Ahn may have called Zhang his bride, but in the book you are referring to, he was speaking of the meaning of the “bride” in the Biblical context. These are two different things. This article, nor the book you are referring to, support the idea that Zhang was a “mother god”.
g says
I know right? His coming obviously means his second coming… did these people graduate???
g, if the meaning of “second coming” is the same as just saying his “coming” then why did your church change it in the first place? There would be no reason to omit your “god’s” word. Think about it.
donttrustkoreans>. says
good point .. y even change it??? idk if u go to wmscog like i have for about three years, go read the translated copy of
âProblems With New Jerusalem, The Bride, and Womenâs Veilsâ chap 16 was a heart breaker. ASH said the new jerusalem would appear 1000 yrs after the end. IF YOU STIL GO TO THAT CHURCH PLEASE READ THAT CHAPTER…Ive been there for 3 yrs i love all the members, it just sucks to be lied to..
Explained Titan says
i think it is important to note that the church believes that the feast of u.b is one day in the NT according to MArk 2:19-20. so that would change the calculations a bit thought the result would still show Paul didnt keep the sabbath and also FF. BUt this is my delimma, at that time i believe Paul was under the Julian calendar, which means though we calculated from the basic Jewish calendar the day might be different as it is for us now. with out knowing those calculations from the Julian Calendar we cannot know the exact days of pauls trip and celebration of the feast. i hope that makes since. Pls respond and let me know what u think.
Hello Explained Titan,
Like you said, the days of the week would not be affected so the calculations would still show that Paul did not keep the Feast of Firstfruits. Besides, the World Mission Society Church of God uses the “sacred calendar” to calculate the dates of their “feasts” despite the fact that the rest of society follows the Gregorian Calendar. I hope this helps. I would suggest starting a thread in the forum so that others can contribute to this topic.
The way I understand it is the Feast of UL bread only 1 day long. However, it doesn’t disrupt the calculation because the Feast of First Fruits is always on the 1st day following the 1st Sabbath after PO.
Let’s say today, 2/11 is PO. 2/12 is the Feast of UL. 2/16 is the Feast of FF.
Let’s say 2/13 is PO. 2/14 is the Feast of UL. 2/16 is the Feast of FF.
My question lies.. How do you know the PO Paul supposedly kept was on a Saturday? I’m genuinely confused.
donttrustkoreans>. says
wow thanks for this. ive been going on and off for almost three years. tough thing to find out u been worshiping a korean lady….
donttrustzahng says
so God wants 15 million for pain and suffering????
donttrustkoreans says
wow so the end was supposed to some in 2004? or wait 1988? no no no 2012… :/ i remeber we used to criticize the jehovah witness cause of them saying the end would come but didnt… idk, sad story
US says
Let us all pray that the tables will turn into this site’s favor. This site is only establishing facts and testimonies, and is being silenced because of it. Only a false religion will try to silence those who are opposed to it.
I have read all the whole thing and frankly I am extremely touched…[comment moved to the forum]
Laykit says
I have recently been baptized into the Church of God, myself my husband and my 2 kids, at the moment i have been going to Bible study sessions where my husband and i study together with the Pastor. I have not been taught about Ahn Sung Hong so im not quite sure what to think, i have asked them who the Father and Mother is but they said that is another lesson me and my husband will learn together. I was really happy to join this church because we study straight from the Bible but im quite shocked to have found this website and im also really not sure about who this ahn sung hong is that they keep mentioning in prayer, i thought he was just founder of there church but now im hearing he is the 2nd coming Christ and im very confused now, i dont know what to do. Someone please help me, the day i became a born again Christian i asked God to help me with my journey and the next day the WMSCOG showed up at my door wanting to teach and help me, i thought it was a sign from God or something cos it was so coincidental now im just not so sure if they were sent as a sign to help me or a test to overcome false teachings from people. Please help, im very confused and so lost.
i am very sorry to hear that you were not better informed about who Ahn Sahng-Hong is. He was a Korean man who split off from the SDA movement to form his own flavor of church. He never claimed to be Jesus, but the WMS claims he was. The WMS themselves are a split off of the NCPCOG ( http://www.ncpcog.co.kr ). The âmotherâ is a Korean woman named Zahng Gil Jah. This sort of new religion seems very common in Korea. I am sorry you have been misled by these false prophets.
The Lord is so good that He brings great good out of bad. While this religion is blasphemous to Our Lord Jesus Christ, you can certainly return to Him, ask His forgiveness, and use this experience to seek more closely after the truth of His church.
Teresa says
I’m so sorry that you’re so lost and confused. Keep reading the Gospels and saying simple prayers, for God to show you who He is….I don’t want to overwhelm you with information, but for now here is a Christian encyclopedia that discusses God and who He is http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm
If you have any other questions I would be happy to answer them. I am a Catholic Christian.
I have only just begun studying about this group as I have begun to encounter its members. I, too, am Christian. Scripture is essential, but I would remind you that even the devil quotes scripture (as he does in Luke 4 referencing the Psalms while he tempts Jesus). Quoting scripture, as this group does, does not necessarily mean they are of God. They take many, if not all, verses they use COMPLETELY out of context. I encourage you to do some study on your own, without their influence. Read the context of the scriptures they are quoting, and you will see what the scripture is actually saying.
Always remember, the scriptures teach us that Jesus comes to free, not to bind. Sure we have rules we should abide by (just like children do from their parents), but He will always allow us to make that choice freely. A group which leads by fear, force or manipulation/deception is not of God. And that includes any group that is not willing to share with you their true teaching before you commit.
I can only imagine what a trying time this is for you! I will keep you in my prayer!
God Bless
Knowing that christ, has been raised from the dead, is never to die again, death no longer is master over him.(NASB)
For we know that since christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longerhace mastery over him. (NIV)
Notice that “is never to die again” and “cannot die again” , it shows that the second coming of Christ will not die again. But what happened Ahn Sung Hong died. HE DIED, THEREFORE HE IS NOT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.
I have a friend stuck in WMSCOG and was brained washed. She told us about the second coming of Christ and me and my group of friends went to find out more. And we read the bible and we came across Romans 6:9 and there it is we got our answer.
this verse is hard because in revelation it says there is a second death. they say the death in Romans 6:9 is the spiritual death (2nd death) in Revelation. They say Christ’s spirit cannot die. Read the paragraph it is talking about His resurrection. Saying if God’s people die their spirit will not die. So I really want to leave the church but they have such good explanations for everything.
If you really studied the Bible you would NOT be studying in this group! You also would NOT be asking other to do so! Please read the Bible outside of the influence and direction of the WMS. View it with new eyes and read what it REALLY says and the context which it is speaking about. You will find that most of the WMS teachings don’t stand up when compared to Gods Word. When the contradictions become apparent, throw that WMS teaching into the garbage. That is where it belongs if it does not measure up to the Word of God.
Too Sad says
Wish i’d read this back in April. Got baptised right before Passover. My daughter got baptised too, soon after. She was so excited at first. We were not told about AhnSahngHong or Mother until a while after we joined. We sorta had to figure it out on our own. We just thought A.S.H. was another name for Christ in Korea. I couldnt even get the full name of the church out of anyone, so i couldnt check it out online. We were told in a sermon not to go to the Saggices to learn about the Pharises, or the Dallas Cowboys to learn about the Redskins. Of course theyre going to say bad things, theyre enemies. So, i didn’t look. 2 days ago i thought i was amazed by the truths taught to me in the bible, but then i decided to see what the internet said. Holy Guacamole! I talked to my daughter tonight. She was very confused and this website helped me explain to her. I read some parts to her from it. She isnt as upset as i am. She hasn’t spent 6 day weeks in church learning to teach false bible studies. I wanted an Apostolic Age church. I thought the modern church had really gotten away from Christs teachings. This answered my need. Now where do i go? I still wish to keep biblical Sabbath and participate in the new covenant of Passover.
I am very sorry to hear about your experience. i am also sorry that you were not better informed about who Ahn Sahng-Hong is. He was a Korean man who split off from the SDA movement to form his own flavor of church. He never claimed to be Jesus, but the WMS claims he was. The WMS themselves are a split off of the NCPCOG ( http://www.ncpcog.co.kr ). The “mother” is a Korean woman named Zahng Gil Jah. This sort of new religion seems very common in Korea. I am sorry you have been misled.
The biblical Sabbath was only ever binding on the Israelites along with all of the other laws (you can not keep only the Sabbath and forgoe the other precepts, such as stoning adulterers). the good news is that we are no longer under the Law, as Christ fulfilled our debt on the cross. Have no fear attending church on Sunday. It is the Lord’s day. For more info: https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/did-constantine-abolish-the-sabbath/
I don’t get it, if Ahn-suhng-hong NEVER claimed to be Christ then why does the
WMSCOG believe that he is? Why do they think Zhang Gil Jah is Heavenly Mother when shes never admitted it and Ahn-sunhg-hong NEVER said she was? This church is following a dead man that never said he was Christ when he was alive and his teachings are completely different to the WMSCOG, so where is the WMSCOG getting there info. I live in New Zealand, and WMSCOG just started here in 2005 but already there is like 6 branchs all over the country, sadly my husband and i were sucked in but as soon as i was told ASH was the 2nd Christ i didn’t believe it then researching there church i came upon this site and im glad i found it. i just wish my friends that i have made at Church of God knew the truth and could leave the WMSCOG and come back to Jesus Christ the one and only Saviour.
Ahn Sahng-Hong actually wrote a book saying that there was no mother god which you can read here, and yet people still believe such blasphemy. Our Lord warned of false messiahs and false prophets. Pray that the Lord may call them to His truth. you may also be interested in checking out our forum
Andrea says
So God is suing people now? must be to pay for all those expensive dresses “mother” wears…this is absurd
Katie says
My prayers are with you all in this fight… I am pretty sure people are allowed free speech and that any judge would rule in your favor. What they do not realize is that if my brother, who has recently came to his senses, were to go back and we lose him again, I would be at the same town hall meetings and be bringing the truths to light. [Moderated by admin]. If they want to put me on the stand, I would say it in court and under oath. Jesus Christ has my back. Their leader does not. I do not worry one bit about their falsities. What is happening right now for this? Do you have to go to court? This is an excellent resource for people and their evil is attempting to shut it down. What can we do to support you?
Thank you for your offer of support. Please pray for the salvation of all of those in the WMS.
Ezra says
I talked with a member today, and he gave me lesson one and lesson two. Lesson 1 taught that God’s redemptive plan has been divided into 3 eras over a period of 6000 years. Lesson 2 talked about Christ coming in the clouds which the member said meant “body.” When I asked him about god the mother and the second coming of Christ (which he believes already happened), he replied that I was not ready to hear that because he hadn’t explained the prophecies concerning the second coming. I might talk with him again next week, but this time I hope to be a little bit more prepared.
His explanation of “clouds” actually meaning “flesh” can be refuted with Acts 1:9-11. Christ will return in the same way he ascended. NOT born in flesh, but coming literally in the clouds. http://www.trektorome.com/clouds-means-clouds/
DON’T!!!! I REPEAT, DON’T!!!! THIS BS CULT IS SPREADING LIES TO YOU AND AS SOON AS YOU HEAR THEM, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF RELUCTANTLY AGREEING WITH THEM EVEN WITHOUT THOUGHT! THEY ARE THAT CUNNING AND DECEPTIVE! I ALMOST FELL TO THEIR SCHEMES BUT THANKFULLY, MY FAMILY MOVED OUT OF THE COUNTRY TO PREVENT ME FROM BEING DECEIVED FROM THEM!!!! GET OUT OF THEIR SIGHT NOW!!! I REPEAT! GET OUT OF THEIR SIGHT NOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!!
Judge for yourself what is right. When arrogance, anger, discontent, complaint, hate, and violence are supported on a website like this ask yourself if that could quite possibly be from God. The traits listed above are far from the teachings of true God. All I see in here is typing in all caps and people saying “Stay out of the Church of God” but it is funny because they never tell you where to go or why that church is the “correct” church.
By these traits you are heaping more wrath upon yourselves than you realize. Do not follow the rules of man and take solice in the glory a man bestows on himself. Yet be firm in your faith and test everything to find whether it came from God the creator of all, or man which is the creator of Judge for yourself what is right. When arrogance, anger, discontent, complaint, hate, and violence.
Satan will lead the whole world astray and he will do it because God’s people are destroyed from a lack if knowlege. So seek true God and you will find what you are looking for. AMEN
âmy people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. âBecause you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.â
ââHosea⏠â4:6âŹ
Gideon, you need to read things like the book of Job and tell us again how your statement is accurate and how Gods Word doesn’t yield to these kinds of actions. in your words, “So seek true God and you will find what you are looking for. AMEN.”
My life has been ruined for the stupid wmscog my fiance left me because that religion i tried yo get her back i even tried to join the church but the threw me out they already knew what they where doing it was planned out i cry every night for my fiance this is just horrible i just pray to god for her return
T.H. says
Andre, this group had my wife for over a year. She is out now and stronger because she realizes what this cult did to her. What you need to do right now is don’t try to debate with her or prove the teachings wrong. You need to let her know that you are still here for her and keep reminding her about the great times and friends/family that still care about her. Only true love will break through the lies of the WMSCOG. They claim to love and to have the truth. Show her what true love is and the truth will come back to her in time. No one stays in a cult forever! Life may feel like it’s over but when you make it through this the love will be even more real and solid. Keep your faith in Jesus Christ! He’s the one that paid the price for us.
Your words give me hope … I admit, I haven’t opened the bible in a very long time and frankly I don’t even know how to start doing so .. but I love my girl and want her back .. I am extremely sure that this WMSCOG is a lie … but no matter what I show her against it, she does not believe me.
I will follow your instructions here, maybe she will realize, just like your wife did, that those people are not really her friends, brothers and sisters. That the WMSCOG is a cult .. Maybe she can return, and we can finally be married and grow old together ..
Even though those words were written for Andre, I thank you writing them ….
I’m sorry to hear this. I tried to contact you via e-mail, but your e-mail address bounced back. If you contact me from the Contact page on the site, I may be able to help you reach out to your fiance.
Christina says
Hi
Like maybe 4 weeks ago a man and a woman were knocking on my door asking me if they could show me something in the Bible. I said yes and she started of by saying” God said let US . So she asked if I had any idea what US meant in the Bible . I told her not really so they asked if they could come in for a couple minutes and show me. When they got in the guy took over asking me if I knew about the Bible. So he told me the US means God and his Wife and he showed me things in the Bible that supported that claim. They came like almost every day since the last 4 weeks showing me things and teaching me the Bible . He told me that they were the only true church who lives by gods laws and everybody else would go to hell because the Bible says so. My husband knows the Bible but he’s away right now. So every time I learned something new I told him and he told me that’s not what the Bible says. To make it short is like brainwash really and putting that fear in you that if you don’t become a member you going to hell is like almost every question i had he had an answer and it stared to make sence. I went to their church with my kids and I had that feeling in my stomach that something wasn’t right but after the service we had more Bible study and that’s when he told me about the second coming Jesus or like he told me God ,Jesus and the Holy Spirt are all the same and God came from heaven to eart as Jesus to teach us how to obey him, but when he told me he saw his picture and his name is Ahnsangtong it was like something is wrong . I went home and I had this fear in me about God I thought I was going crazy. But again to make it short is really brainwash what they do and you need people around you who will help you to see the truth and you need websites like this who can help you. I think it was the point when he told me to get baptized and if I would I couldn’t go to no other church not even if one of my kids or my brother would die and they wouldn’t be a member and if my husband doesn’t become a member he would go to hell but I would go to heaven because my husband and all the other church are all going to burn in hell because they don’t obey gods laws . Funny thing is god said don’t have no other gods beside me but the members of the church of god believe in the sun god is in their book “my sheep listen to my voice” he gave me this book to read. I’m just glad I saw the truth and I believe in my heart it was god who showed me the truth.
Glad to hear you are back to following Jesus Christ, and not the false messiah Ahn Sahng-Hong.
I don’t remember reading about them believing in a sun god in my sheep listen to my voice. I’m pretty sure they don’t, but could you tell me which chapter you are talking about? maybe it’s just the way it’s worded.
I SAY : TO UNDERSTAND THE SPIRITUAL PHRASES YOU NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR SELF SPIRITUALY.
WE CHRISTIANS BELIVE IN HOLY TRINITY I.E FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
WE NOTICE IN OLD BOOKS OF BIBLE WE SEE GOD AS JEHEOVA, NEW BOOKS JESUS AND BOOK OF PROFESSY WHICH WAS DUE TO COME HAPPEN AFTER JESUS REVELATION HOLY SPIRIT WHEN ALL ARE ONE WHY DO BIBLE GIVE THEM DIFFERENT NAME IN DIFFERENT AGE THAT SHOWS THAT HOLY SPIRIT SHOULD ALSO WILL HAVE A NAME.
Just read the report about the mongolian issue, oh wow now God will sue people for “moral damage” just ridiculous.
The members should read this with their sense and ask themself… Does true God needs lawyers and lawsuits to settle his/her affairs? Coz most gods i know usually dont need legal case to smitenon believers.
Curl-Q says
Matthew 24:30
30 âThen will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d]
In the above verse, Jesus is speaking of His second-coming, so don’t let any of the WMSCOG church members tell you that He was talking about the Holocaust.
Call me “word of faith,” but I really think that when Jesus returns it will happen as it is stated above. That is, ALL will mourn. Seeing as though this Christ AnhSahnghong guy already came and went and nobody really knows about it, that should be a red flag. Also, some of these WMSCOG members will try to convince you that clouds mean flesh, meaning that He will return in a body. All I’ve got to say about that is that sometimes clouds just mean clouds!!!!
How we demote God if were are not going to believe that He is magnificent enough to literally be seen by EVERYONE and that yes EVERYONE WILL MOURN. I believe that everyone will mourn at His return because some will be rejoicing, while other fearful and ashamed for denying Him all of their lives.
In summary, AnhSahngHong already lived and died. Did EVERYONE hear about this? NO!!! Did everyone mourn? NO!!!! Please believe Jesus when He said what He said in Matthew 24. Make no mistake, WE WILL KNOW and have no doubt. God is not a God of confusion.
Oh and BTW check out the verse above it: Matthew 24:29
29 âImmediately after the distress of those days
ââthe sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.â[b]
Have we experienced any of these above signs yet? NO!!!!! Therefore, Jesus has NOT RETURNED yet.
Plus…if AnhSanhHong was God…why would he need corrective lens? LOL!
a. Matthew 24:15 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
b. Matthew 24:29 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
c. Matthew 24:30 Or the tribes of the land
d. Matthew 24:30 See Daniel 7:13-14.
e. Matthew 24:33 Or he
f. Matthew 24:36 Some manuscripts do not have nor the Son.
I just recently left WMSCOG, after 4 years. They explain that the “Stars falling from the sky” is spiritual meaning when the Holocaust occured (they state that the jews wearing yellow Star of David is proof, and also when YHWE told Abram his descendants will be like the stars in heaven). My point is, they make SURE, they have an answer for eberything..and the answers dont always make sense and usually lead to more Questions
What day is the true Sabbath Day?
Answer that Biblically for me.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Keep in mind the resurrection Day what day that is.
When any WMSCOG member sees that everything they believe in nonsense, they go to the issue of the Sabbath, why is that? Is Sabbath correct of is Sunday service correct? This is called a false dichotomy. You create a false option between two things that doesn’t really exist.
Am I making it up that this is a false dichotomy? No!! Read Romans 14. Paul tells us that any day you choose to observe as holy is fine. Even if all days are alike to you, that’s fine. Imagine God who over ruled the law of foods or meat, imagine the God who over ruled the law of physical circumcision – you’re telling me that God is too weak to be worshiped on any day, like it has to be Sabbath and third day? like really dude? You people are truly Sad.
Hi Admin
Note I’m catholic person who has my wife attending this sect. She was catholic too, but found someone in the supermarket who approched and talked to her about 2nd coming of crist and she decided to visit them. This was her worst decision since she is still attending and no matter what I have showed her all about your excellent info in this website and how wrong this organisation is, she is still not convinced. It has separated our family apart.
Can you guys help me convince her that the sect she’s been currently attending is wrong.
We are very desperate with this situation going on.
Waiting for your prompt reply.
Sincerely your
Hi, even my brother is a member of this and it’s hard to convince him. We don’t know how to get him back
Hal says
Elohim means divinities or powers. It does not denote anything about gender, about fathers, sons, and spirits, or any such. It refers to the divine powers of Hashem, one deity who has told us to think of Him as a male character.
KC says
They usually don’t say about the tithing requirement also, every churches do practice tithing but for WMSCOG its the most important thing, basically the core of everything, quite ironic isn’t it behind all that bible thumpings. memorizing verses and prayings all that matter in the end is how much you willing to pay for your salvation.
Pay for salvation? Well, if I know it’s a true salvation, I suppose to give everything, yet they’re offering a false salvation so why I give. One can turn all the pages of the Scriptures and nothing can be found that a dead false christ can be worship as god, nor a person alive posing as a fake mother god can be worship as gods. Their false gods, and all of mankind are all creations who will undergo questioning by the CREATOR on the day of judgement. WMSCOG and all members preferring to stay are already doomed to hell.
Didn’t Jesus physically came in the flesh and then passed away in the flesh with thorns on his head by mere man? Then he rose from the dead spiritually. Anyways, there are so many churches that are pretty darn crazy like Jehova Witnesses, King Ministries of Jesus, Catholic churches, and a bunch of religious cult/sect- churches.
Many people are in these kind of churches and/or religion, and religion is a hard or harsh thing. Many of these people strongly believe they are in the true church and go about talking to other people about going to their churches in belief that a certain church or certain religion is the right one; what I’m trying to say is that religion is a touchy, delicate subject and these people preach in consideration of their beliefs, nothing more and nothing else.
No matter what our beliefs are, I think it may sound rude of us to say that these people or that people are “doomed to hell” when only God should judge and we’re only human beings.
-hope i made some sense, esp. since I’m super tired and my English isn’t superb.
-Thank you everyone for these comments on this website.
A. says
Yes this Church is a great confussion PLEASE CAN SOME BODY EXPLAIN ME HOW THEY COME WITH THE FEASTS THE LONG DAYS PREACHING WERE IN THE BIBLE IS ALL THIS. thanks
No Name says
Why doesnt his son speak up and let people know that he is Ahns son and how his father is not God and how Zahng Gil-Ja is not mother God?!? Since they preach that Ahn didnt have children!!!! I could not let that lie get that big to the point where there is millions of people now following a false doctrine. I would not be able to sleep at night knowing this is going on and I could stop it!!!!! Why are so many people that know the truth not talking? Are you the only person trying to help? Its so frustrating……:(
Evan says
The World Mission Society Church of God is… [moved by admin to forum here].
Dear No Name. No one can prove AhnSahngHong isn’t God. Not even his child. Why? AhnSahngHong didn’t commit adultry. He didn’t physically marry Heavenly Mother nor have intimate relations with her. This is why this entire website is a lie. Please come to WMSCOG, let’s be the elect children of Promise like Isaac!! How was Isaac chosen? Because sacrifice was handed down to him as with all the forefathers of faith. God bless you.
But, there are so many proofs of his lies. Please leave while you can, as I recently did. If you weren’t questioning you wouldnt be here. I was in your shoes only a month or two ago. I have ordered court proceedings, and spoken with former members (not just relying on one site). The lies pile up pretty high. And in my former Zion, there were a few older members whom DID confirm that 2012 was thr predicted, end….and we see that didnt happen.
Well I was informed that WMS has very deep pockets, and has already sued NCPCOG. They sue for slander at every turn. If your a WMS member who wandered here answer this question, “Do you remember signing a confidentiality agreement?” The zion I was in, had our members sign one. It was coded, since I have a small legal background I caught it. I spoke to a former member who questioned some practices in his old zion, and was asked to sign one to keep his mouth shut.
Never signed it, but they are slick. In my experience I have heard from members and ex members that when you sign up for their official webpage/phone app, your agreement to the terms and conditions is the confidentiality agreement.
Kiyah says
Seems like this is really why they didn’t want us going on the internet.
Is there any prophecies in the Bible that indicates that we can know if Second Coming Jesus’s son can testify whether He is Second Coming Jesus or not? I only know for sure that only the Scriptures testify about Him. Then why is there a need to hear the testimonies of His son? Would Ahn kwang sup’s testimony teach us biblical prophecies about what 2nd coming Jesus must fulfill? All prophecies about 2nd Coming Jesus were fulfilled by Father Ahnsahnghong. If you dont believe the prophecies or dont even know what prophecies He must fulfill at the second time, how can you judge that Father Ahnsahnghong is not the 2nd coming Jesus? You Pharisees of this age! How will you escape the punishment for all your evil deeds!
I suppose that the trumpet blast, every eye will behold Him, and every tongue will confess He is Lord all mean nothing this time around? I know, WW1 is supposed to be the trumpet blast. Let’s assume that could possibly be right. What about the rest? I guarantee that every eye did not behold Ahn and every tongue will NOT confess that Ahn was Lord. If it’s not the truth you must throw it out. Sorry, but Ahn is NOT God. It’s very easy to see if you seek the truth.
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:10-11
You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before Godâs judgment seat. It is written:
ââAs surely as I live,â says the Lord, âevery knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.ââ
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
This was said not once, not twice, but three times in reference to God and Jesus Christ. Isaiah references the coming of Jesus Christ, yet not everyone in the world witnessed the coming of Jesus at the same time, nor did everyone acknowledge Him as God (if they had, He would not have been crucified). This is clear evidence that there is a different meaning than what humanity believes, as evidenced by Numbers 23:19 & Hebrews 6:18, which detail that God neither will lie (because God isn’t human) and cannot lie (because He is the Spirit of Truth)
As well, there are some 2 Billion+ Christian members in the world, but over 7 Billion people living on this planet that are not Christian. Thus, they have not acknowledged that Jesus is Lord, as God promises in Philippians. There are also 1.6 Billion Muslims on the planet who absolutely deny that Jesus is God. Rather, they speak that He is only a prophet and not their Lord. Does this mean the prophecy didn’t come true? Certainly not! This simply means God’s thoughts are NOT our thoughts, nor His ways our ways (Isaiah 55:8). We must come to a true understanding of the scriptures, especially the ones referencing the 2nd Coming Christ, like the one below (which looks a LOT like the first 3 posted):
Revelation 1:7
âLook, he is coming with the clouds,â and âevery eye will see him, even those who pierced himâ; and all peoples on earth âwill mourn because of him.â So shall it be! Amen
Christ Ahnsahnghong has been seen by the whole world!
(everyone has acknowledged the World Mission Society Church of God that Christ Ahnsahnghong founded, even American President Barack Obama and Queen Elizabeth II, through the prestigious volunteer service awards given to the church. source English.watv.org)
Many people from all nations are flooding to the Church of God, which we call Zion (Micah 4:1-2, Psalms 102:16-22) which God Himself has built.
Simply put, every eye did not physically behold and confess that Jesus was Lord 2000 years ago, as Isaiah prophesied. However, everyone knows that Jesus is the God of Christianity today, even if they don’t believe it to be true! In the same way, the entire world will know that Ahnsahnghong is God, the Holy Spirit & New Jerusalem is Heavenly Mother of the World Mission Society Church of God even if they do not believe. This will be the fulfillment of the prophecy of Second Coming Christ in Revelation, just as the prophecies in Isaiah and Philippians have come to pass. I hope this clears things up for you a bit more! Please visit your local Church of God and explore more about the church to truly know what’s going on! God bless you!
Btw, I do apologize for the # miscalculation in reference to the # of people that aren’t Christian. I mistakenly put how many people are living on the planet (which is 7 Billion)! I meant to put that as a reference to subtract from, with the more accurate # of non-Christians being roughly 5 Billion! Thank you and God bless you!
Revelation 1:7
âLook, he is coming with the clouds,â and âevery eye will see him, even those who pierced himâ; and all peoples on earth âwill mourn because of him.â So shall it be! Amen
Christ Ahnsahnghong has been seen by the whole world!
Well, I see the OBVIOUS flaws in your thought processes here. I am impressed that you knew where to go in the Bible to find these verses. What you NEED to do next is study the context and realize the timeframes which is spoken of. There are way too many things wrong with the interpretation of Gods Word by the WMSCOG. This is the purpose of this website. In a way the WMS created this so be careful how you judge us. BTW, I have tried to visit your group in several cities and I have also had conversations with several so called missionaries, deacons, and pastors. None of them had any satisfactory answers. Oh there was a ton of scripture twisting and taking things out of context but NO REAL ANSWERS. By researching outside of the confines of the WMSCOG you will find that what I’m saying is true. Obviously you have taken time to learn how to think about the scriptures as well as historical events as the WMSCOG wishes you to think about them. It’s your turn to discover if what you’ve been taught is the truth. You’re going to find that you’ve been lied to by the very group that has told you that everyone else has lied to you. This is a very cult like thing to do. Remove you from outside information. You’ve gotta do research outside of the WMSCOG if you’re going to find the TRUTH!
How can you say the whole world has seen Ahn? A lot of people have never even heard of this cult. If a person was stuck on an island with just a Bible they wouldnt be saved bc this added information is not in the Bible. No one has even heard of that award you received. Doing volunteer work doesnt get you to Heaven. Not to mention you are supposed to be humble. You apply for this award and Barack Obama has no idea who you guys are either. Please preach uour blasphemy somewhere else you guys have already been exposed on this site.
Hey hi all the verses u quote talks abt the final judgment day when all will be judged n nothing about first coming of christ…please go thro the context of the verses first..
please help me. After reading the information about your website, I finally know that I walk in the wrong path. I’m a born again christian before and until now I attended in the our church. But at the same time, that Korean cult still bothered me always. They call and text me, even come to our house and talk my mom about their mother god and that ahnshanghong. I still come to their church because I something believe in some of their videos that they show me, but now I now that they are false .. please help me to get out of that cult. Really I believe only in God from the beginning. đ
thank you friend for sharing yours. I think where in the same situation that I have right now. So I think God answer my questions by your testimony đ
how stupid they are. You know last Tuesday I asked one of a korean sister if the COG celebrated “ALL SAINTS DAY” and she told me no, because they worship ghost or dead people. Then Why they worship ahn ??? That man die long years ago. Thats really strange.
you know what. I have an experience when I asked about one of the sister(korean girl) ” if ALL SAINTS DAY also not allowed in COG?” then she told me yes, because its ghost or dead worshiping. then why did they worship that ahnsahnghong. he is dead person.
Daniela Araujo de Oliveira says
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Tlahuiltzin says
Hi,
I was recently approached by this group and attended some bible studies. The only reason I let them in was because they claimed to be theology students…I figured they were graduate students doing research but then I clearly saw they were preaching. I was slightly intrigued, I asked them which church they were preaching for and they told me it was a non-denominational Christian Church that ONLY followed the teachings of the bible. I was intrigued by the “Women representation in the bible so i agreed to hear more. They weren’t super pushy and they were always friendly. I was curious about which prophecies they believed in, more than anything I was interested in them from a sociological perspective. Anyway, every lesson was more and more wild! When I would ask “OK, obviously you believe second coming Christ and his Bride are already here so who are they?” they would tell me I’m not ready yet. Finally, they invited me to study in their church and that is what freaked me out. Everyone was crazy friendly, they were eating there like they lived there, and it just gave me a bad feeling. I looked at the name of their church and took note of it. So, I googled it and found a lot and was finally let here. I feel like I escaped the clutches of something awful and I am SO glad I found this so I could avoid them better.
T.H. says
Many of the people who are trapped in this group are honestly well intentioned people. I thank god that you realized for yourself that there was something wrong and that you were not so far indoctrinated by their studies that you couldn’t see the obvious. What happened to you is called “Love Bombing.” They overwhelm you with friendliness and for the individuals who are lonely even though it seems strange it is also welcomed in part. It also makes a person not want to be rude so some of the questions that should be asked and answered first thing never get brought up or they are pushed to the side until they are forgotten about. You are very lucky that you didn’t fall for this. Many people do fall for it and for some it cost them more than they ever imagined. It’s sad because like I said, most of these people are good, honest people who don’t deserve to be mislead by this. They also defend what they are taught because of the mind manipulation that is ingrained throughout the WMSCOG and it’s teachings. I thank god you are out and not trapped by this. Warn as many people as you can.
yes the passover is the 14th day of the first month, they used the sacred calendar in the bible, but were using the gregorian calendar so the 14th day of the 1st month usually march/april
Right. It’s odd that people can understand the idea of PO moving around on our calendar but not Ahn’s Bday.
The church that celebrates the birth of Christ on the 25th of December is a heretic… What is the context of this sentence? This is talking about Jesus, the Christ in His 1st coming. This is also the conclusion of all the evidence available that shows 12/25 as Jesus’ birthday (every year) has pagan roots. Meaning, this celebration did not come from God.
Why didn’t Zahng tell GP not to write that sentence?….. Because it’s fine the way it’s written. Just like the WMSCOG does rather often, that sentence was taken out of context. 12/25 is not the birthday of Ahn. Ahn birthday fell on 12/25. Being that Americans use the Gregorian calendar, it isn’t alarming to hear member’s say, 12/25 is Ahn’s coming day! But that only applies when it lands on that day. This year, 2014, one cannot say 12/25 is Ahn’s coming day. (Why?? They said it in 2011!) Because it doesn’t fall on 12/25 this year.
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Uriel Soriano says
Looks like the World Mission Society Church Of God will do everything they can to bring this site down. I know that the Lord is on your side during this fight! đ
You only want to bring the truth about the World Mission Society Church Of God out because you want to share your experiences with this cult, correct their doctrinal errors, expose their malicious and destructive ways, and help the former members, and I’m sure God is helping you accomplish this.
God bless you sir!
I’ve been hesitating to recommend this site to a good friend who is a member of this cult, because I’m afraid it will destroy our close friendship.
jessa27 says
exodus 14:14
Marco says
I’m really thankful about the information of this website regarding to the WMSCOG. I’m a new member of this church, for about three months. And as I study more deeper about their core beliefs. I’m really convinced about what they say. And if I ask questions then they can answer me through the Bible. But one day, I’m having difficulty in managing my time with regards to my study and going to church almost everyday to study. Because I am a graduating University student here in the Philippines. So I am very busy, and sometimes I can’t come to zion. Then, because of this one of my closest friend in Zion which is a Korean. He told me that Spiritual life is more important rather than honor, or anything that is earthly. And he show me a video about decision making. Then he ask me to give up my study if I truly love God Elohim. Then cite an example about many other members who give up also their college studies to concentrate in preaching. Then, I’m very surprise about that. But I said to him that i can go to zion even i will not give up my studies. And he ask me to delete my accounts in twitter and facebook. and stop using internet, watching TV, listening to radio and he delete also all my music in my cellphone. And tole me that only the new songs should be in my cellphone. I’m greatly shocked about these. But I still continue come to their church,. But for some reasons, I’m always having difficulty in accepting Christ Ahnsanghong and New Jerusalem as my savior instead of Jesus Christ. I’m feel guilty and not comfortable when i try to accept Christ Ahnsanghong and mother New Jerusalem. And because of this, i research the history of the church. And this website really help me to know the truth about this church. I observe also in this church that they really use manipulative techniques to manipulate the mind and behavior of their church members and most especially the new recruit members. This website use by Jesus Christ to be the instrument in enlightening our minds about the lies of this church.
Rahab says
Thank you so much for this informative site. My loved one became involved in this group while deployed overseas. He did this without consulting me and when he returned home, we had a very difficult time. This site has been a God-send to me. Where I live in the US Midwest, no one that I spoke to had heard of this group nor had any experience with them. I had never felt so alone in all of my life. Every time that I spoke with someone about my husband being involved in this group and our marriage situation, all anyone could say was how sorry they were to hear about this and they wished that they could do something to help. This site had offered me valuable information, but SO MUCH MORE – it has offered me a community of people who have had similar experiences. When I had no one to turn to in person, I had these wonderful people on this site to ask questions, give my testimony, and vent my feelings. I thank God for this site. I know that I am not alone in this.
thank you Rahab for your kind comment. my prayers for you and your husband. i am very glad to know this site has helped you. thank you for sharing your story.
I am a former member of the WMSCOG and would like to share my experience, how and where do I do this because I would like people like myself get out of this cult that brainwashes people.
Hi, you can submit your story via the contact form.
Gloria R. says
My sister and her daughter have been involved in WMSCOG for over a year now and I am convinced that they are lost to the family and all previous relations. My instinct is to leave them alone – I have shared info on their group WMSCOG and engaged in some biblical back and forth to no avail – so at this point I am solely relying on my faith in God and am praying for their deliverance. They are trying to convince my other neice to enter the “church” but she is resisting and I feel for her too because she has been isolated by my sisters defection to WMSCOG – the true Bible interpretation definitely doesn’t teach isolating yourself from your family.
T.H. says
Gloria, please do yourself and your entire family a favor. DO NOT SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM YOUR SISTER! Leaving her alone is a very bad idea. Otherwise this group could play the role of “support system”. Your best plan of action is to keep loving your sister and reminding her that there are people outside of this group that care about her. The more memories and good times you can share with her the less of a strangle hold this group will have on her. I also had a loved one that was seduced by this group for over a year. I have been in your shoes. There is hope! No one stays in forever! The ones that are able to really deal well with coming out of these types of groups are the people who have loved ones outside of the group. If your sister feels like she has no where to go she will stay in the group even longer. Don’t let that happen! Show her love, compassion, and devotion and sooner or later this group is going to mess up. When she starts to wake up she’s not going to know what to do but if you’ve always been there she will have someone that she can talk to. Keep your faith in Jesus Christ strong and keep loving her.
ryan says
Im very thankful i found this site.my wife almost joined this cult and she is actually praying to these False prophets.We almost separated because she became a different person.Im not good in explaining biblical things but i did not gave up serching for evidence that WMSCOG is a cult.Thanks to all the ppl who shared their experince and ideas.U guys are saving a lot of lives.My family is ok now..
Sorry for my grammar im not good in english….
Emil says
I am trying to help a friend leave this group. I have tried telling her that ASH never claimed to be God but she insists she has books in which she will show that he did claim it. No clue what she is going to come up with. Any ideas?
I have also told her that he has written the book, “Problems with the New Jerusalem….” and she says there is no such book but just fake messages on the internet.
I have found one of their blogs that defends why the book was written because she may accept something from a supporting website. Let us hope and pray this works meanwhile any ideas would be welcome. I may get a chance to meet her around Nov 4th to see her books.
I recently left WMSCOG, recently they have addressed the “Problems with the Nee Jerusalem…” book. They claim ASH wrote it only to protect us from slander ans the woman who claimed to be New Jerusalem. They are ever evolving
Hi! The worst part is that I got to meet Michelle Colon. I remember her and how they actually keept on telling us that she ate from the tree of good and evil. Now that I have been segregated from this group for almost a year I feel so spiritually raped. That last Passover that she participated I seat righ next to her. They considered me a mature sister so I was not in “danger.” At the time I did nt know anything about what was going on. I feel so sad about all the difficulties that she went through and how her mariage was messed up. I wish I could help in some way. Michelle if you are reading this, (I remember that you used to do your nails in a French style with glitter). I remember who her husband was at the time and I remember her always looking uncommited to everything going on around her. I remember how hard was for her to pray in this “new name.” I remember her when they made her seat in between the missionary and the diaconess. I know that there was one of the prayers for the feast that she was crying and praying and for some reason I knew that she was really calling for God Almighty. Now I get to understand the other side of the story.
Hello jellybean,
I think I remember you. I’m so happy that you were able to free yourself. I would really like to know more about what happened to you and why you left. Please contact me by using the contact form here. Hope to hear from you soon.
jellybean says
It does not matter how many verses you show her or evidence she will not believe you or anyone because her mind set is that the “devil” could use anyone to “deceive” her and make her leave “the truth.” I know is scary to think that she might stay there forever. However, In my personal experience what made me go back to reality was that how come they do not guarantee anything. If you have certain preaching time and give your tithes and offerings and participate in the committees and in “Zion” ‘s activities and always go on preaching missions you might go to heaven and at the end of the day no one “knows who really goes to heaven but mother” and that we should accumulate as many good deeds as we can and it does not matter how many good deeds you have recorded still it does not guarantee you going to heaven. That did not make sense to me. I know that there is nothing we could do to re pay God for all that God have done for us but that part was insane. They make you try to repay God in all the ways possible and you forget that there is nothing you could do to repay God all that God has done for us and continue to do. Because of this experience I have not be able to enter a church again or even pray to God because I feel so much shame in front of God to even have try to re pay God for all the infinite and amazing things that God has done for me specially taking me out of that place and bringing me back with my family.
Marie says
My son has been involved in the church for two years! I pray everyday that his eyes are opened and he allows the truth to be seen. If anyone has any suggestions on what helped them see the truth, I would be most appreciative.
Love your enemies (for the Bible tells you so) but Sue them. god Sues people yall (and loses every time) You think god would pick a better lawyer. LMAO.
George says
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wow, what a similar story to that of my cousin, these people took advantage of him living with a foster family and not having real parents, they pray on the weak. he has dropped out of school, cut ties with all the family specially after he wasnt able to recruit any of us, maybe because we are all educated…now he has turn his back on me….his closest family member….i would take him out shopping, on trips , to eat as a kid and now im also a bad guy because i didnt go with the BS of “mother of god” non-sense….the brainwashing seems to be beyond salvagable, he speaks of the end of the world, how he wants to save me…he lost lots of weight and when around us it seem like he wasnt there mentally……
There are many statements in the Bible that says that we are not saved by our “good works” whatever it may be…but we are given salvation only by having faith in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross to save us. I really hate it when they twist the bible’s teachings for their own gain. Acts 1:9-11. THE SAME JESUS, Who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
This clearly states that THERE IS NO SECOND JESUS BUT ONLY A SECOND COMING OF JESUS. That same Jesus, who died on the cross for us.
DID ANSANGHONG CAME HERE THE SAME WAY HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN? NO. He was born on earth just like any normal people.
DID ANSANGHONG DIED FOR US ON THE CROSS LIKE JESUS? NO. He died like any normal people.
ANSANGHONG is a dead person who doesn’t even know he is being worshiped like a god here on earth.
Funny how these wmscog members keeps popping up into the forums and leaving comments and when directly confronted, they just vanished into thin air. No comebacks, no anything.
I am so happy to have found this site and all the information regarding this group. My son and his wife are members. I have all the same worries and problems others have. In fact, I thought ‘concernedcitizen’ was reading my mind! My family needs help opening my son’s eyes! Any help would be greatly appreciated. ANY HELP!
Love is the key to rescuing your son and his wife. This group spends a great deal of time talking about how they love and how Zahng aka mother loves. This group will do everything they can to separate your son from his support system and replace it with themselves. The fact that his wife is with him in this thing is going to make it more difficult. Make sure that you get her parents involved in your effort as well. Remind them about all of the good times they have had in the past. All of the love that has been shared within your family and how you still love him without any strings attached. Keep in regular contact with him. Do not separate or cut him off, this is what this group wants. You have found a great source if information here. Learn what you can and ask out of the box questions but be careful. You want to seem interested but not confrontational. Judgement from you will only push him into this group further. If his wife seems less convinced about their choice of faiths then you might want to ask her some of the more difficult questions you’ll find here. Once again, seem curious but not confrontational. Right now they have been told that you will not understand what they have learned because the truth is not in you. This group uses many mind control tactics like this and by labeling everything they say as the truth it makes anything to the contrary a lie. The father of lies is Satan so if you are bringing so called lies to them they will view you as a follower of Satan. Please pay close attention to what I have shared with you. If you spend your time just trying to prove the WMSCOG wrong you are going to look very bad in their eyes and you will lose your son for a much longer time. Please read your Bible if you’re not in the habit of doing so. Read Galations as part of this is what this group uses to prove there is a god the mother. When read in context it doesn’t support the theory of god the mother. In Revelation there are dimentions for New Jerusalem. If mother is New Jerusalem then she would have to have certain characteristics which this lady and no person could ever have! This might be a starting place for a conversation but remember, do not be confrontational! Act curious and when he gives you an answer for things like this and they seem obviously wrong don’t try to shake him out of it with this! You will have already placed a problem out there and more questions will come into his mind. Sooner or later the truth will win out. No one stays in a cult forever. Keep praying and keep your faith in the one true God.
TH.– This is a beautifully written post and the best advice I’ve seen. I was in this church for almost 4 years, and I left almost a year ago. It has taken me until now to finally seek closure and healing from the whole experience. If I was still a member, this would be the utmost ideal way for a loved one or family member to approach the situation. Thank you so much for posting this.
As for those concerned about your loved ones, something will inevitably happen within that church that causes them to snap out of it. In hindsight I am still in shock thinking of how great this church is at sucking you in without you even realIzing it. I canât even begin to explain to you how good they are at it and in the most detailed ways. But I promise you, something will happen and they will see for themselves. All you can do is love them through it and be patient. Any ounce of criticism or urging will cause your loved one to go the opposite way of what youâ want. It brings them closer to the church and the members and drives a wedge between you. At the very least, be grateful this church is not physically dangerous as many other cults are. Once your loved one leaves they will need your love and support more than ever. Thank you
libby says
Wow, I had two people come by knocking on my door today talking about mother God. I’m not a current church goer but had never heard of such a thing. So, I googled it to make it a little more clear. They had highlighted verses and were skipping throughout the Bible the entire time.
Excuse me sir, but WMSCOG is not from the devil. Your understanding from reading Romans 6:9 is incorrect. So please, read the Bible more so you can understand. And we, World Mission Society Church of God, we believe in God the Mother who is testified in the Bible. Galatians 4:26, Genesis 1:26. Genesis 1:26~ When we see God create mankind, God did not say, âLet Me make man in my image,â or âLet there be man.â God clearly said, âLet Us make man in Our image, and in our likeness.â But people think the “Us” means thew trinity or the angels. But it’s not. Because if the angels formed Man in their own image and likeness, angels would pop out. And if it was the trinity, okay wait hold up. Actually the trinity are not all 3 different men. They are the same. It’s the same God. It’s just he came to this Earth with 3 different names- for the 6,000 year work for redemption. Jehovah was the name of the savior in the age of the Father, Jesus was the saviors name in the age of the Son, and Christ Ahnsahnghong, was the Savior for the age of the Holy Spirit, which is in this age but he already came. And that was his second coming. He was born in 1918. And when he was baptized in 1948, as the parable of the Fig Tree was fulfilled ( When Jesus cursed the Fig Tree which was a parable). The fulfillment of the Fig Tree in 1948 was when Israel became it’s own independent state- which is when Christ Ahnsahnghong was baptized and began the gospel work. SO since Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, he already fulfilled his Second Coming. So very soon, very very soon, God will come and bring judgement on the Earth and will take his Children back to the kingdom of Heaven. So that is why our Church is called ” World Mission Society Church of God” because we are trying to save the world and have everyone believe and obey God the Father and God the Mother and keep the Passover- and all of God’s feasts and truths so that we may all enter the Kingdom of Heaven. but people persecute us because the same exact prophecy is being fulfilled, the same prophecy that God’s children will be persecuted because of his name. As Jesus was persecuted in his 1st coming along with his followers, when he comes a 2nd time, he will be persecuted and so will his followers- the Ones who will be saved in the last day- be persecuted. Thank you.
MK says
Hi,
I am so grateful for this site. I visited WMSCOG three times because a close family member has joined. What is the hidden agenda in recruiting the youth? I asked why their parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles were not present like typical churches and their response was they are blind to the truth. During the sermon the deacon told its members that the other churches are satanic and WMSCOG was the only true church. This FALSE KOREAN MESSIAH is deceiving our youth by joining.
Any advice on how to get my family member out of this ludicrous place???
I just want to give a suggestion to the former members of the wmscog that are having confusions of what they are going to do now. It is hard finding out that the very things you honestly wanted to believe in are just false man-made teachings.
If you are a bible believer, then please just read the bible. It is such a cliche but most of the people that were easily deceived by the wmscog are those who does not have enough knowledge on the bible.
Other religions can’t really help you find your faith, but if you want guidance in reading the bible, I would suggest that you find a religion that practices a “sola scriptura” (from the scriptures only) teaching since many religions today have inserted their own traditions and beliefs in their religious practices.
SECOND COMING OF CHRIST will be seen by the world as reported in Revelations Chapter 1:7. There are no other concrete references to prove that Ahn Sang Hongâs teachings fulfill prophecy. It is interesting to note that during their meetings they teacher does not allow its members to question or complete chapters. They are forced to read ONLY the underlined verses that are manipulated to their OWN teachings.
I warn anyone involved in this cult to GET OUT NOW! There will be a punishment for following false messiahs as stated in Luke. God help those families who are trying to get out their loved ones. AMEN!!!
Actually what you wrote here is a lie. But the secrets of the kingdom of heaven are not for you. Is a. 40:5 also explained that all mankind would see the glory of the Lord. But Jesus didn’t travel all the world. Did He? Xmas is pagan sungod worship. The cross is idolatry and the Whole world follows the beast. 666 you’d be wise to study the Bible prophecies and not the confused people who don’t know who they are. And Saturday is the Sabbath day. Sunday worship is pagan
truth grabber, I don’t care how much you regurgitate the doctrine of the WMSCOG it doesn’t make it the truth. The Cross is idolatry if you WORSHIP it! As a symbol Gods Word makes it quite clear that it has power. How about if you grab some of that truth? Gods truth! The secrets of the kingdom are not for us? The same measure by which you judge us will be used to judge you. Are you really so arrogant that you would deny this truth as well? How is it that you missed the truth of the second coming? This is when the world will witness Jesus as Christ. The Bible does not say that Jesus will walk the entire Earth the first time He is among us! What “truth” are you grabbing? Your group likes to cling to its stolen teaching about Saturday being the Sabbath. Yes, I said stolen! It’s taken directly from the Seventh Day Adventist Cult. The Bible also addresses this very clearly but as you only seem to want to study Gods Word as the WMSCOG would have you learn it you will never be able to learn the truth for yourself. As some thing are revealed in Gods time not ours you group wants you to believe that they have figured out the mind of God and has translated what God really meant. What a twist of the truth! God doesn’t need anyone’s help revealing His message to us. I invite you to do as MK suggest and GET OUT NOW!
Hey guys i was going to the church of God in Auckland Newzealand and yes they are rude once youve been there for a while you start to see there true colours, How dare they do this to our almighty God and our Saviour Jesus Christ i am furiouse with this church now and will take action Following a man Ahnsanghong they claim to be the messiah we should all gather togeather get media involved and send them packing. form now on i will not go any futher to being apart of this deceitful church and will pray to our heavenly father for the Answers For we are all childrean of God trying to find our place in order to go back to the heavenly kingdom in these last days. May God Bless each and everyone of us IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY “JESUS CHRIST” AMEN I WELCOME YOU TO MY COMMENT PLS COME SHED SUM LIGHT BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN OF GOD. NEVER GIVE UP PERSEVERE GIVE IT ALL TO GOD PRAY FAITHFULLY YOU WILL RECEIVE YOUR ANSWERS. MUCH LOVE (ANGEL)
Inga Goudantyte says
Amen Tania. Best of luck in all future endeavors. Keep in touch and create youself a profile in the forum.
Hey I agree with your comment 100% glad im not the only one. I used to go to the one in AD, which one in Auckland did you go to?
Kayla says
In the church of God, they have never once said to me it will end in 2012. However, many including myself believe that no matter what day God destroys the earth we want to be spiritually ready regardless.
Kayla, are you in the WMSCOG or the CoG? Please take time to read and research for yourself the things in this website. You wont be spiritually ready if you don’t know the truth.
Thanks for setting things straight. They are trying there best to get me baptised in their church and they recon everything will be revealed to me through the holy spirit. Never realized they think the end of the world is going to happen in 2012. It is the 22nd of December as I write this.
No. She is not God. Jesus proved He was God so many times and everything He said and did proved He was God Zahng Gil …. Is a woman like every other woman out there. We need to wake up. Are you sincerely happy being at wmscog? All you have to do is look around you the next time you attend sabbath. Who is really running the show. Did Jesus discriminate? By discrimination I mean, having most, if not all the pastors one race? Was Jesus flawed in any way that can be proven? No. Jesus was perfection. How can “A” be Christ? Most former members here I doubt knew each other at the same time, yet have similar stories. This ought to be illegal practice. Oh…. I loved the idea of being an angel as they teach but it’s all part of the mind control. Pay attention to the unspoken words of members when they say “God bless you.” Most can not look you in the eye especially one of the opposite sex. Oh, and for those who claim the mother God knew of them prior, I’m here to tell you that even the devil knew you the day you were born. Psychics are very good at this tactic, so no! There is only one God that has ever walked this earth and His Name was, and Is, Jesus the Christ! The end of the world predictions is not what bothers me the most but people claiming to be God and misleading the very elect.
You are absolutely correct. The wmscog members like to believe that what happened 2000 years ago is happening now. No!! it’s not. Jesus never sinned, not once – If he had sinned, he wouldn’t have been worthy to be called God’s sacrificial lamb ( without blemish, remember).
Zhang Gil Jah is simply not worthy to be called a child of God, let alone be called God. She has not repented of her sins and they pile up every time a soul is lost over to the dark side.
I too do not care about worshiping on Saturday, Passover date or what ever other teaching – the real issue here, even though the wmscog fights to keep their members from seeing it, is that they are worshiping false gods. Somehomw they have been fooled into praying to another name other than that of the true saviour Jesus Christ.
Passover, Sabbath, Easter and so on, that’s just a façade.
roshoun says
My fiance joined their church and I need ur help to save her please…….
@ Ed apparently ASH (AKA “Father”) wrote on his hand-written notes that he follows “Mother” and that (according to the wmscog members) means we should too. Also, they say that the reason he wrote that book to deny a heavenly mother was because her time had not come yet and so he had to reveal her at the right time, since that other woman who was claiming to be the heavenly mother was lying through her teeth after stealing and going through his (ASH’s) notes…but how is that true? What do you have to say about it and also the claim that ASH revealed Zahng as Mother through the parable of the wedding banquet at a wedding hall when he celebrated his last Passover. Ed how true are all of these claims?
If you follow the history of Ahn and his family you will find that his actual mother (the one who gave birth to him) was the first one to enter into the Seventh Day Adventist Cult. In Ahn’s notes he clearly stated that he followed mother. What’s more reasonable? Ahn following his mom into a new faith or the idea that he revealed a new god which he actively preached against? Ahn was a believer of Jesus Christ and taught that Jesus was the only way to salvation. All it takes is research done on your own outside of this groups influence and you will learn these truthes. By the way, in reguards to Ahn’s book disputing god the mother, he states that there is no god the mother. The WMSCOG claims that he revealed god the mother. If Ahn did this then he was lying one way or the other. This is not something that can be explained away! This brings up the question, does God lie? Ahn cannot be God because one way or another there is a lie here. If Ahn was not God then God did not reveal a god the mother therefore whoever did brought forth a lie and the father of all lies is Satan. Do you really want to be following Satan?
Joan of Arch says
Oh and God, who HATES false gods would never come to earth (again) and worship a false god. It just can’t happen no matter what their excuse. God would not ever under any circumstance worship a false god. To say that God, creator of all, worshiped budah is so utterly absurd it just may be the most absurd statement, EVER.
So my Girlfriends brother just joined their church about 2 months ago, any clue on how i should approach him about this being a false teaching. i ask him to come to my church and he refuses, i just want to help him. any clue on how?
Keep the lines of communication open and don’t debate scripture and doctrine with him. Point out things that will raise questions especially ones that can only be answered by realizing that there is something that’s not quite right. Keep it light and keep it friendly. If he feels attacked now he wont feel like he can come to you later when he’s thinking about leaving.
In our zion, we were taught that no one knows who the 144,000 will be, only “god the mother” knows. So it’s like a contest entitled “Who Is The Next 144,000 member?”! So I guess they edited their teachings again, so that they could still accumulate followers. Think of the amount of money they’ll lose from potential members if they stop preaching in 2012! Nope, stopping in gathering “fruits” (money) is not an option from the very beginning.
They say now that they never said 2012 was the end of the word and changed it to we said it was the end of preaching. Now at a minimum, we must hold them to that.
I am here to set the record straight. I was told by the missionary at my current Zion, that the world could not go past 2012. This was taught to me as prophecy in the year 2010 until 2012. After 2012 passed they had all of us go to a meeting in Chicago Zion, where we were “educated” that Father AhnSahngHong never said the world would end in 2012.
Here is my issue. Father never said it, why did a Deacon, a Deaconess and the Missionary ALL say things over and over throughout those years that “IMPLIED” that the world would end “VERY SOON” as if it could not go past 2012?
I even received a text message from a Deacon in the year 2010 or 2011, that instructed me to go and “prepare” water, food, and other supplies for World War 3!
I only had a flip phone (dumb phone) not a smart phone. so I don’t have a screen shot, but if I can find my old phone, I will definitely take a screen shot to prove the truth that various title holding members, DID teach me a prophecy that the world had end on or before 2012.
Also, the Missionary even preached a SERMON on the Sabbath, around March 2012 (or a 3rd day) in the which he said, in his Korean accent VERBATIM:
“Even if Father comes late and late, do you think He will come December 31?”
I have been having major disagreements with this church for a while now, and was ALMOST given an ultimatum to leave, because I have started to study the Bible for myself now, without just BELIEVING whatever PHILOSOPHY they have INDOCTRINATED me with.
I actually was hoping they were NOT LIARS, but it seems that the TRUTH has come to light whether they or I want it to or not.
What should I do? I know one thing. I should NOT cover up lies. What to do?
ed144 says
they do say the 144,000 are the ones who are preaching and doing the gospel work including full tith. it is used as a motivator to control your actions and commitment to the church. It’s why the members of the wmscog have a competitive demeanor and step all over each other having an inflated notion of self worth.
this makes so much sense as to why my sister who is a member there for about 2 yrs now is so persistent in trying to lure my other family members in getting involved.
the 144.000 supposed to be the prince and princess that ruled the heaven, while the rest will be just a “commoners” in heaven, thats how the wmscog explain it.
it is the official teaching for years, at least in asia it is.
Emil says
A few days ago my friend who is a member of the wmscog here in Bombay, India, was asked by her husband about the fact that 21st December 2012 has passed and the world still goes on. She told him that wmscog has not said the world will end but 2012 will be the end of preaching.
She was later preparing to go to her church for a teaching so her husband asked her why is she going if the preaching has ended. So she clarified that this preaching will still go on. It is the end of preaching to outsiders. I guess she means evangelization.
Brothers and sisters this organization’s teaching is not in line with actual scripture. The teachings are false and very convincing and very dangerous for souls. Too many secrets, no real clarity, and fear has become its number one tactic in keeping its members. This is not to say that some of the general Christian churches are not flawed; however, this particular organization in question has no real love in it and is a no, no. In due time it will reap what it has sowed. I do not speak out of ignorance – I was a member for a long time.
the people who celebrate Christmas is a bunch of heretics, but those who celebrate Ahnsahnghong supposed birthday at the same date were the right bright ones, now since wms claimed ahnsahnghong as jesus V2…. whats the difference then between the wms and the rest of the heretics?
fromphil says
don’t generalize please. i am from the church of God but i don’t call people who celebrate christmas as heretics. they just don’t know what it stands for and it’s understandable because people don’t tell them.
I asked that exact same question KC. They always have a perfectly logical explanation for whatever they do. The pee ons never answer a direct question like that. They always re-direct to the Pastor or second in command. Then when they hear the official excuse from the horses mouth, they fly with it. Like the video justifying the New Jerusalem Book. It took them a while to come up with that one. LOL It was so much fun to watch them scramble and get nervous. Priceless when they get busted the crap they come up with. Now it’s right. LOL.
He didn’t say the “smallest” church he said the church with a “small number”. So comparing the wmscog members vs the christians of the world then the wmscog is considered a small number. Therefore not the smallest church is the true church. Just a church with a “small number”.
it’s in the article above. 1.4 million. do you consider this a small number compared to other churches? also, where in the Bible does Kim derive his claim about the small church from? (i can’t find this one)
They were criticized by those who know about them and also former members. You are right in criticizing them, since they teach wrong and unbiblical doctrines and attack other religions, especially the Roman Catholic religion.
It seems they don’t want their evil exposed. As the Bible itself says, there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open (Luke 8:17).
Don’t let them win. Otherwise, they will continue spreading their evil in many ways they could think of.
@ Nicholas: Thank you for sharing your experiences with this growing organization. Your testimony is very familiar and I am glad you got out soon enough. Any organization claiming to be of Jesus Christ or last Adam and last Eve as they claim, yet mentally confusing, is not of the Christ Jesus we know. I learned the hard way with them and grateful to God for getting me out when he did. God bless you and all who are bold in the name of the true Christ – Jesus.
Be patient surely the lord will come to judge the world but are u prepared to meet him with perfection thats important to recieve eternal life not the date or time
2012 is told to be the “completion of the temple” Which means all the 144,000 “mothers children” were found. Also it is said to be the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles. Moses told the people of Israel, ‘more than enough materials for the temple have been bought, do not bring more’ WMSCOG teaches the materials stand for 144,000. Once all the children are home this is the end of preaching. But im sure they are still recruiting ppl…..
Wow…and then they go on and make excuses about how UhmSooln stole a peek into his original book, claiming to be the bride and also about how it wasn’t yet time for the “true bride” to be revealed! How could ASH write two extremely contradictory books if he was all well up there though? It frustrates me even more to think that there are so many out there who still believe in that obvious lie! mxm
This WMSCOGS they will end up in Hell soon, in Matthew 24: 36 says no one knows the when end will come, only God the Father knows why this evil men are saying all this? we know Jahng Gil Jah paying them more money, nonsense.
@ Mother of the Son…I would love to talk to you, as my daughter is in this church also, and has gone to Korea to meet God the mother. I have not seen her in 7 years…please reply.
My daughter has been in this for about 7 years…I also haven’t seen her in 7 years. We do talk on the phone still. She is not the same. We have had many arguments over her beliefs. I have given up. I love her and have asked to only speak of herself and not her faith. She has also been to Korea to meet her mother God. I hope one day she realizes what all it has cost her in her life, to this church.
How did u even get the legal papers? who are you anyway that you can access to all this things? Only judges and lawyers can get it, it can’t be disclose to public?
just think abt it,
Are you saying that court filings are not matters of public record in S. Korea? A simple Google search reveals that they are. This website provides a sampling of S. Korean cases and decisions that have been translated into English and published.
My ex husband joined the church roughly 10 months ago. He completely changed. He married a woman from the church only months after joining (she is a deaconess). We share a 10 year old daughter. He is trying to get my daughter involved in the church as well as his parents and other family members. He refuses to communicate with me whatsoever, as I have challenged his beliefs. It has become impossible to coparent as a result. He spends more and more time at the church and very little with our daughter. She feels pressured to attend just so she can see him, and also because he is manipulating and guilting her. I have spoken with my attorney and will be taking the case to court. Any info you can provide that would be helpful would be greatly appreciated. I am horrified by the situation.
similar story with my son…only the lie was that he wasnt getting married. They have married him off to a Korean girl that was not a US citizen and going to have to leave the country. We met her one week before we believe they married them…still wont be honest with us even after 6+ mths!
That would be fine Mountainmom…I would like to hear what you have to say and how long your loved one has been involved. Also you can email me. Admin set it up for me to contact another parent.
Joanne says
Help.. My Daughter who lives clear across the country has been involved with WMSCOG since August 2012. We are going to fly out and visit her soon and I want to know if there’s anything we can do to persuade her to leave this cult. I want to know the best way to handle things with her. Please give me any guidance you can. Thank you.
Joanne, private message me on the forum. I may be able to give you some information or advice. Anyone on here would be willing to help. I am in a somewhat similar situation as my loved one in this group is also far away, and it makes it tougher to help them. Anyway, if you would like to talk, I’d be willing to make time for you.
Please help me , my daughter is in another State away for college. And is a mbe of this church. She has changed so much in just 3 months. I need help and advice
M says
My boyfriend has joined this church for about six months now and it is crazy how brainwashed he has become. I have showed him many articles on this website and others about the church and I know before they make you not even question anything, but I have started to get him to question everything. However, I still am not getting to him. I pray to god every day to open his eyes and let him see the truth. This cult is very dangerous. He is a completely different person. Always thinking the world is going to end and how he’s never good enough and devotes all his time to the church and a lot of money. Someone please help me to open his eyes. I have tried everything, but when he goes to the church they brain wash him all over again. đ
The best way is dont persecute him. Dont show him anything. Be fake. Now there’s a new psstor that came to re-vaccinate everyone. Whats his full name… I might know him
Thy suckered me for 3 studies. I was pretty ticked when I found out about Ahsunghong. They kept pushing the issue of baptism, wife and I got baptized in this false prophets name, I just assumed the Asian guy doing the baptism was using an Asian word for God. I knew something was up on the 3rd study when I wanted to pray outloud before we began, and they insisted on a silent prayer. They revealed Ahsunghong near the end of that study after talking about how important the name we pray in is. I pointed out to him that I respected his beliefs for not praying in Jesus’ name but he was out of line baptizing us without telling us what name they were using. Oh well, I’m a hard headed person, we spent 2 hours debating the trinity, they believe the 4 are one entity, I pointed out that the 3 were separate and gave verses. Anytime it contradicted what he said, he just said the verse was a parable, or an example. I feel for those sucked into this group, keep this site up, you are a counterbalance to their ‘truth’
My wife just read this scripture: Titus 3:10-1 Avoid a man who is a heretic, after the first and second correction, knowing that one who is like this has been subverted, and that he offends; for he has been condemned by his own judgement.
I’m glad that you had the spiritual eyes to see through the lies before it was too late. JA be thanking God for having your back. This could have destroyed you. I’m glad it didn’t.
Man I feel LIke im in a 5 part movie lol Dont forget the bad guy always looses
A. T. says
That is my fear my wife has almost 2 years in this church.Her indoctrination is so strong 12 hour saturdays,also sundays preaching, and tuesday another day of separation from family and friends.She is planing shortly to go to Korea I can feel it my life is a mess after 30 years of marriage.
Pete, nothing personal, but get your head out of your a[moderated by admin] man. Huh ?
Rahab says
I know how you feel. After 15 years of marriage my husband got involved with this group and it tore up the very core of our relationship. He even fell in love and committed adultery with a female member who was preaching to him. When they separated he started going to the local Zion. There he was pared with another woman. He started having feelings for her as well and felt that they were being groomed to preach together. This was the most difficult thing that I have ever had to endure plus I developed health problems as a result. My advice to you it to love her with everything you have. You have built a relationship with her that is built on a covenant institutes by God. Your real, deep abiding love for her will over power anything that this group says it can give. My minister counseled me that this is a marathon, not a sprint. Keep doing your research for knowledge is power. Above all, do your best to not call this group a cult to her face, and do not argue scripture with her. This group uses effective techniques and programmed responses for just about every argument you can put in front of her. They use thought stopping techniques and circular arguments that can be frustrating. My husband and I were on the verge of divorce, blaming the other one to be at fault, and saying that if anyone was going to leave, it would have to be the other one to initiate it. God kept us together. I don’t know how, but He did. My faith in God deepened, my relationship with Jesus Christ increased and my prayers were answered. Hang in there, my friend, The Lord is with you. You are not alone. Grace and peace to you.
Thank you T.H. for your comments on December 5, 2012. I have been trying to find answers to my 24 year old son’s change in his behavior. One of his high school classmates is the leader of the CULT society church he attends. At first I thought it was a positive influence, but a year later – no job, no vehicle, no girlfriend, no friends, no apartment, no social life. He moved in with me in August and has not done anything but listen to music (his job making “mix tapes”) and not contribute anything to the household 5 months later. He tells me, his father (who I am divorced from) and sister that “we don’t see what he is doing” “we dont understand” A lot of prophecy talk. Being a mom, I have been very patient with my son because I love him dearly. This experience has created a division between us. I want my son back. I plan on keeping him away from this group as much I can in the future. Slowly seperating him from “the society” with God’s help, love and prayers. Thank you again.
T.H. says
Thank you for the complement. I have over a years experience with this particular group and its members. Most of the time it takes a combination of events to create an effective exit for the member. Keep doing what I suggested before. As long as there is someone on the outside that loves him he will feel that he has a place to go when he decides to leave the group. The other thing that usually happens is that the group does or says something that places doubt in the member. This whole “Father Ahn is coming back at the end of 2012” has been a biggie. Ask him how he feels about this. Don’t be confrontational about it! Be lovingly curious. See what he thinks and what they have been telling him. He probably already has his doubts but is being convinced that it is an attack by Satan to take him away from his faith in Father and Mother. Don’t be discouraged by this, just listen to him and show him you care. Keep strong in your faith and understand, no one stays in forever!
if anybody claim he or she been in wms for three years and NEVER been told about the 2012 end of day prophecy (2013 february if you want to argue with lunar calendar argument such as a those i confronted about 2012 when the year passed), then i can asume that person is either a liar or clueless.
and what sarah said is exactly correct, no denomination is perfect but this “company” called wmscog is not and should never even be considered as religion.
Frustrated, Angry & Confused! says
Wow… I’m African and was preached to and even studied a little bit about the blacks being cursed on the Prophecy of 6 day creation, yet I was also recruited. I was taught the Prophecy of 2012 as well when I in fact was only baptized in 2011. After seeing former member testimonies of people like Ron Ramos, I’m even more inspired to share my story as well since they are busy recruiting in Africa, saying that Africa is the last continent to be preached to and after that, “we are going home”…Nonsense!
Thats nuts. I dated a black girl last year and she kept saying mother this mother that. She was part of that church and i even went with her one day. Apparently she is still apart of it. And me being an outsider they told me right away they believe that asian lady is god. After that i broke up with her. She said since the asian lady is god they must obey her, WHATEVER she says. So i was like what if she says you need to sacrafice your kids?? She said she would have to. Anyways about the black mexican thing they must have changed that. I live in new mexico by the way
………………….Ron Ramos………………………….the Judas Iscariot of this age…………………………………who betray God…………Beware!……………….God’ wrath on the last day……….
sam says
Missionary Ron Ramos is 100% true this is happening. I am also in research and still a member from Asia now I will not tell my name and country. when time comes I will let you know many things.
Glory to God, my children and I are free from this CULT!!!!!! I studied all the way up to SEVEN CHURCHES before realizing what was really going on. Our missionary also did not like the poor, or uneducated. He specifically instructed us to preach only to “quality people”. No, homeless, no ghetto neighborhoods, etc. This was one of the breaking points for me. They twist the word of God for gain. But the word is too powerful, and prayer still changes things because I never stopped praying for truth, and God showed me his word so clear as time went on, while also exposing the evil in our missionary. I am so grateful today. As much as I wanted to blow up the church, I prayed instead and was given the peace I have today. God tells us in Romans 12:19, Vengeance is mine….I will repay. So let us trust our Father, our keeper, the one who loves us most. The blood of Jesus has set us free, and even though satan is busy, God is still on the throne and will have his glory. Be encouraged, all you who have been broken and hurt by these vultures. They will not escape in the end, and I hope those who are innocent will be spared as we have.
Tonya McClellan says
Me, my 2 sons and my sons girlfriend were baptized in the WMSCOG church. we know
realize that this church is a cult. Do you know how we can get out? I am worried about it because we don’t want to be “stalked” by members. I am hoping that they just let us leave willingly. They wanted us to pick up and move closer to the church which is 2 hours away from family and friends. Thank you for your time, Tonya
Hhello, im a current member of the wmscog. I became aware of all this lies and how nasty the church is. I still go to this church because I have become more like a spy. Im staying-in for the sake of my loved ones. Ive been slowly encouraging my loved ones to grumble against and get bored and letting them make their own choice of wanting not to come back. The best way to leave without being followed is to not let them control you. Say you are working, minimize your activities with them, also showing them as if you are so thankful to father and mother. Just be fake, but care less. Gradually lose your interest and tell them you lost job and its a struggle to come for service… wmscog doesn’t like low class people and they are classified as ghetto people.
Ill remain a spy and im enjoying it. They try to control me, but im just having fun messing up with them.. they talk about satan infiltration to steal information. …. well… im not satan… im an angel
You need to do two things. 1)Write a letter (each of you) stating that you do not believe in this groups teachings anymore and that you wish to be left alone. 2)You will be called and text messaged. Make very clear affrimations that you are not interested and to please not call or text anymore. Most of the time these people will just disappear out of your life. I have not heard of a case in the USA where someone who exited this group were stalked in a threatening way. They will try to get you back in but they tend to lose interest fairly quickly. How are you and you family holding up right now? There are lots of people here who are willing to share their experiences with you and your family. Most of us want to help if we can. Keep your faith in Jesus Christ and surround yourselves with others who share the same faith.
Thank you for this site! My brother has fallen for this cult and is brainwashed. I pray that one day he too will see the truth and return to God and that he can help save people from that cult with the truth, like you guys are doing. Again, thank you, it’s a great resource but also let’s not forget to pray for these people, I saw how my brother fell, he loved all the conspiracy theories and connections he thought he was discovering. So glad to see this website destroy those lies.
I was at the same location as Ron, and was shocked he left being that he had been there a while. They are liars. No truth exist in them. Please get out of there……
I am not angry anymore as I use to be….I am now very concern about the members who want to leave and dont find the way out to. Also, for those who have left and feel confused of what to do moving forward. I am very happy that leaders are now sharing with us their story…I also believe thar everyone watching this video should add their experience in support to those who are struggling emotionally, spiritually, and physically..
Jose Gomez says
I also am a former member of the cogwms. And I knew Ron Ramos, he even came to my house when they recruded my brother! My brother is chest deap in there sh#t!!!! He won’t listen to me because according to them I’m a lost sheep and im gonna burn in hell!!!
I really want to leave this church… But, I’m having a hard time in trying to leave because i build already friendships to the members of WMSCOG… And they know my address and always visit me. And they are conducting also bible study in my house… Due to some contradictions in the bible and their doctrine, i decided that i have to come back in my old faith, that Jesus is the only savior! nothing else. But, I’m having a hard time right now, on how i can leave this church. I try to ask many questions on them but they have the answer always. And they are also telling me that if i have questions, i will just ask them, and no one else.
Mike Hunt says
You are just going to have to be hard. That nice stuff they do in front of you is fake. They know people are inherently prone not to offend someone they perceive is trying to be nice to them, thus they lay on heavy all the fake smiles and hand waves. Understand here and now that it’s fake. The friendships you have are built on sand and will not stand the test of time because you know in your heart that something doesn’t feel right to you. The only real friend you’ll find is one that will come with you. Best wishes to you.
After a week of participating in Bible study at the church, I was baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit, Ahn Sahng-Hong, and I entered my name and address into their “Book of Life.” As soon as I Wiki’ed the WMSCOG and realized who they were worshiping, I promptly texted my tutor and said I did not want to continue attending Bible study with her. She begged me to meet her for one more session to show me some verses from the Bible, and “for the sake of our friendship.” I said I would think about it over the next few days. A few days later, she texted me in the morning asking if I wanted to meet her that night. I didn’t reply because I was still thinking about it, so what did she do? She took my address from the Book of Life and SHE SHOWED UP AT MY HOUSE UNANNOUNCED, saying “I was worried because you didn’t answer my text.” WTF?! Now that I’ve read on this site about how the members are required to recruit ten “talents” to get more tithing to the church, I’m even more pissed that she came to my house uninvited.
they were sent as a test to open your eyes so that you never again fall for the devil’s trap. everyone who has been tricked into joining this satanic cult was approached when they were looking for God, for his answers, signs, and guidanceâso it is no coincidence that the devil runs to them to lure them away from our one and true God and his son Jesus Christ. i hope that you’re no longer trapped in this cult. Get out of there!!! talk to God!!! Repent and he will receive you.
I hope this entire article is read, the information is very urgently important.
This “Missionary” is highly suspect, the way that he talks is nothing at all like how all the Missionaries I’ve known talk…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
Mt 14:31 …hombre de poca fe x k dudaste..
DIOS MADRE SI EXISTE POR QUE DUDAN ME DA MUCHA PENA QUE USTEDES PIENSEN ASI DE DIOS HACE 2 MIL AĂOS PASO LO MISMO NO SE DAN CUENTA QUE ES = POR QUE DUDAN DE NUESTRO PADRE ACASO NO FUE SUFICIENTE MATARLO EN SU PRIMERA VENIDA PARA QUE AHORA HAGAN LO MISMO……….!!!!!!!!!!!!! đ
yesi gracias por comentar,
deberĂas de informarte un pocos mĂĄs porque el propio Ahnsahnghong escribiĂł que no hay ninguna “dios madre” como tu la llamas. puedes leer el libro aquĂ en ingles. usa el translador para leerlo en español.
Me and my family are about 7 years attend services.
All good . By the way, I work in fraud detection.
It is your choice to believe or not believe.
You are right when see it as a bit strange church ( do not forget that in Bible Jesus himself and his students were called sect. Nothing changed since then.
So, do not worry and be happy :-).
T.H. says
Peter, I’m glad to hear you are in fraud detection. There is lots of fraud around and you should be able to realize it. It seems strange that you would equate this group with the Nazarene Sect as the similarities don’t seem to be the same. Fraud detection? I’m not worried but I will be happier when you are out of this group with your lives in tact. Take some time away from this group and its teachings, clear your head, and then reevaluate the group and the situation you are in. This has to be a total separation and you have to do some honest unbiased research. The minimum time out of this group in order to clear your head needs to be eight weeks. This is the minimum and I would strongly suggest even longer. As this is a search for truth you should have NO problem doing this. Are you really in the truth? Are you really of the free woman? The time to find out is now! I hope and pray that you do.
jesus was pursecuted because he claimed to be god not for lying.. the WMSCOG is not getting the same persecution. This is happening because they lied about many things. smell the coffee this is not persucution that crist went through he did not lie.dont you think if they could prove what they claim they would. like some leagal document proving their history?? the church only has a 50 year history. They should have no problem doing so. do you live by faith alone. if the church lied and altered the outcome of my disition, then it was not by choice i stayed. because I would have left long ago if they told me the truth. they altered the outcome and changed my disition because of many lies over 15 years. thats not freedom to belive and thats not truth.
gelo says
im a former member here in southeast asia and they teach that the more you get fruit(new members) more blessings to come, and in the video sometimes we watch there is rank in heaven? prince&princess?but for God we are all the same , we are all God’s children đ
gelo says
im a former member of wmscog for 2 months in southeast asia, in the start i know there is something wrong for example every clean up majority of the member is cleaning but the korean pastors
they are watching us taking picture, i hate it
they use us to make their image good .
by the thanks because i find this website its God’s will đ
Same was true for me. We had a “clean up” in Washington D.C. in January of 2012. The big problem was that there was nothing to clean up in the area we were assigned to clean. All we did was put on WMSCOG t-shirts and take tons and tons of pictures. It was a turn-off for me, a newly recruited member. This group is only capitalizing on promoting themselves, not in doing good deeds.
victor says
I actually wanted to cry watching this… Not because everything that Ron said happened to me, but because I know Ron and can see how much pain he is in. I Sat with him. I studied with him. I was a member of this church for about 10 months between 2010 and 2011 and was one of about 15 people in a group led by Ron or Missionary Ron as we called him. He was always so calm and gentle and soft spoken. Just like he is in the video… I always said I would remain there till things stopped adding up or my questions couldn’t be answered and it eventually got to that point. Indeed, Ron was one of the few who actually gave me the “later, we will study about that” response on one or two occassions to my questions. Or when i would ask why certain things were not told to me up front, they would use the example of someone who has been blind and taken outside the minute their site was restored; how bright the sun would be and how it will affect them instantly. For me, the major defining moment was when i confided in a deacon about the life struggles i had endured and how I was practically homeless at the time but was yet so thankful that i knew God and had the church… I told him this during a study session as a way of showing my Faith and how devoted I was. Less than 5 mins after i left, he had gone over to the Pastor and told him everything i said in confidence, who in turn called the “brother” that recruited me (my closest friend at the time) to confirm everything and ask that he (my friend) not bring me back to the church. Of course, he didn’t tell me himself (just like Ron said)… My friend was heart broken and fought for me to stay by having to convince the pastor that i was a “good brother”. Obviously, he was never supposed to tell me all of this but he did when i saw him about an hour later and he pleaded with me not to leave. But for me, something was broken. I wondered if how i could stay somewhere that deep down i knew i wasn’t wanted. I wondered if it was because of my social status at the time and what i couldn’t give financially. I stayed for a few months and even the deacon that had betrayed me came back to beg for my forgivness and take responsibility (with none going to the pastor). I soon started noticing other things including the fact that as far as i could see, only Koreans were Pastors. When i asked a couple of “brothers”, they gave me responses like “why does it matter” or “the church started in Korea”…. Answers that made no sense to me. Anyway, i was never just a 100% comfortable there. I would preach to Jehovah’s witnesses and prove their teachings wrong, but was not 100% sure of mine and eventually just left. Thank you Ron, wherever you are
hey victor, i was the deacon who you shared that info with about being homeless. I remember that day vividly and it hurts me still till this day because your were open enough with me to share something very private as we shared a moment. I just want to say sorry again and that my actions were really an extension of the church’s influence since we were repeatedly warned about homeless people having wrong intentions in the church. i saw your sincerity but at the time i was merely a drone solider trying to be faithful to a cause i felt strongly about. None the less i too am out of the church and trying to move on, I hope your writing is going well and that we can continue to share these things to began our healing process. God bless Victor.
BTB says
How dare a church, any church, kick out a poor person because they’re poor ? I don’t give a damn what they ask for help with; Electric, Water, Gas, Food, petty cash ect…HOW DARE ? This is preposterous. Sneaky snooping bast[moderated by admin].
Capellae2003
Hey Guys
You don’t notice something this is a sect and in fact they just need persons to recruite more persons since all they need is your $$$$. They use the Bible as an instrument and make belive people that they are following crist, but it is not true. They don’t have faith since where is their love for others persons who need help.
And this is not the love CRIST – OUR REAL CRIST ( not that one that they cold with this name ) showed when he was in this world.
TKX
Be careful on your words. Because you are not God who knew the beginning and the end. WMSCOG is not like that!!!!I saw with my two eyes how they love, how they serve, and how they lead people to the truth.
Mike, what finally brought you out of this group? Was it something that was said, something that was done, or a combination of the two? Please share your story with us.
it was a combination of experiences, but what culminated everything was there excuse of why Ahn had to write the book about there being no mother. They said a women sneaked a peaked into AHn’s bag and stole the most important truth of our church from God. That was my last straw, i couldn’t believe almighty God who foresaw the scheme of Satan and Died on the Cross intentionally to save me couldn’t foresee this women sneaking into his bag. And when i asked about it they said “well father was made perfectly human”. I guess saying that since he was in the flesh and couldn’t see it coming. Which is ridiculous because even though Jesus was limited in the flesh he was still all knowing and all Seeing. Also they had no biblical explanation for it either, It wasnt even a prophecy this women basically tricked God almighty and stole his truth. This brought my attention immediately to the first chapter of what we call ” The green book” (Mystery of God and the Spring of water of life) Ahn explains that he locked up the truth and appointed one man to reveal it just like King Nebuchadnezzar forgot his dream and GOd only revealed it to Daniel. We teach that Ahn Came as King David to unsealing the 7 thunders which ultimate through a lot of studies is God the Mother. We also said that if God sealed something God is the only one who can unseal it, So basically they would have me to believe to God almighty set up the GINORMOUS!!! prophecy and made a plan only to have a women ruin it? and its not even a prophecy that she would? I just couldn’t go for that, it was apparent that they hid this knowledge intentionally because it is problem and whats worst they had no biblical explanation for it. Cause several months ago when i was in the Church i would’ve believe that. If they tried to explain something biblical now it would be a year too late in my opinion. Plus I had been in the church for over 7 years and i knew about 2012 and was told and preached to about it. yet the church lied and denies that they ever taught that. Also IN 2006 the Church said 144,000 were already Gathered, this is contradicting because they are now saying 2012 is completion of the temple meaning 144,000 are Gathered. That didnt makes since as well and when asked i could get no answers on that. There are many other reason but what i know 4 sure is the church has definitely spinned stories and told lies. And i couldnt be apart of it anymore. for Years I rationalized things in the church myself to make it make since, now it is the churchs time to give proper answers. They have been failing to do so so far. ( this is in response to T.H.)
Yah says
Welcome back to reality. Talk to your friends that’ll still talk to you and talk fast.
Ellen says
Mike, I would greatly appreciate your (or anyone else’s) input:
I recently began meeting with a member of the group. I am a devout Catholic, and made it quite clear that that I have done much thinking and studying to reach that conclusion and would not be swayed. They are aware of that, but we have been meeting to do Bible studies(or more like debates) nonetheless. Do you think there is a chance they have doubts, and are intrigued/inquisitive about how their beliefs contradict scripture at many points? Or do you think they believe they can break me down overtime (which I assure you they will not)?
What is the best way that I can have dialogue with this person without panicking them, or causing them to be fearful? From my research, it also seems that they believe Catholics to be evil and the Pope to be the anti-Christ. If this is the true belief, can you explain to me any possible motive for them to desire continued contact with me?
I want to find the most effective way to be a witness and friend to them, and show them of Christ’s true love, but am not exactly sure how to best proceed.
Emil says
Ellen, please be careful. You are playing a dangerous game. A catholic friend of mine allowed this pair of Korean kids into his home to preach to him. He intended that he would help them to realize. Unfortunately, his wife accepted all their anti-catholic stuff and joined them. Now the family is getting emotionally torn apart.
Don’t underestimate them. They do not debate logically. When you point out a flaw, they ignore it and jump to another allegation.
mike says
hey ellen, I wouldn’t recommend this type of approach. In that setting it would be very hard for them to understand anything. what ever good point you have to bring up is simply reported back to someone at the church for scriptural advice. And there is an explanation for everything. I’d point out some of the things you see on this form though, and some of the things i pointed out in my testimony. It will be very hard for them to explain that. But don’t count on any change. They look at their experience with you as a growth to better their ability to preach if you decided not to listen. They have to willing come out and realize what they are in, i’m betting they are to young and zealous to truly hear any points you have. Good luck and be patient, understanding, kind, and available. that is the best medicine in my own experience. Also if you have questions let me know, i know a lot about this churches doctrine.
Yeah–“Wrong Intentions”. How dare a poor person want to find a proper church home where they can pray and find hope and maybe get a little physical help. People walk in and see pics of Jesus (of all people) tending to sheep or Jesus at the last supper and think they’re in a Christian Church. Ever wonder why they don’t have pics Ahn breaking rocks in a church suit, I mean, this being the final age and all. Then they have the nerve to talk about the Pharisees and the Sadducees being arrogant. And, what is so inherently wrong with society today that so many of us fall victim to such obvious bull[moderated by admin] ?
This is so ridiculus!!!!!! The B.I.T.E model is more influencial then the Holy Bible?
you are all so week in faith…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
first of all, do not believe anything the wms have to say about “sake of a friendship”, there is no such thing as friendship in wmscog, if you are not deemed profitable enough for them or shown signs that you are not that easy to coax or dupe… they WILL leave you just like that.
this is, unfortunatly, true. In my personal experience. And it actually hurts my feelings since I gave up friendship I had previously because they refused to “listen to the truth” I have completly lost contact with my father for the same reason, I left a great career and am struggling to find my way back in since I left so irresponsibly. The longer I am with them, the closer I thought I was to m “real” brothers and sisters. But when real life issues erupted in my life, I was ignored. When two of us members were trying to let each other “vent” about life, my deacon pulled me aside and rebuked me saying, “don’t get caught up in members personal lives. That is satan’s way of attacking the church.”
Oh yeah, my spouse still attends and believes so occasionally I will go. We have done so much for that church; we have given rides to members 30 miles out of the way, we have spent hundreds of dollars on food for the members, we have spent hundreds of dollars on lawn services, equipment, plants – yet recently our vehicle became disabled, okay? This past week, we were told by the church leader that they would call on monday to let us know if the church was open. NO call, we saw though, that another member was with the churhc leader preaching. We called the church leader 17 times this week. No answer, no return all. Today we were contacted by a member, whom we’ve taken home countless times (20 minutes out of our way) and he said he would come and get us in the morning for Sabbath day. He called back this evening and said that – he couldn’t say why – but the church leader had JUST (MINUTES) CONTACTED HIM directed to not come and get us.
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wow.
We immediately contacted the church leader … no answer. we called the member back, he refused to tell us why. We contacted 7 other members, … no answer. No call back. These are members that have told us that the loved us like physical brothers and sisters. But when physical hardship came our way and we could no longer afford to give them every minute and dollar to them. Its so sad really.
I forgot to say, (this was my main purpose in writing.) We had a new member in november get an $8,000 student loan. I witnessed with my own eyes, her sit with the church leaders and plan how to use the money. She was very out spoken about not planning to attend school. She bout a used lexus (which broke down after 4 months) and she spent alot on shoes and food for church. Now, … shes being evicted.
This is true. if you say a bad thing about a leader you are kicked out, if you have a good income you become a deacon. Lol. Even if you say bad things about the leaders.
This is literally true. When I first ‘came in to the truth,’ we made about $7000 gross monthly income. Now our particular office church there were less than 20 regular members and of them, many were students, unemployed, or worked very low paying jobs. At that time, many of us were studying the sermon book at about the same rate. I was no further than anyone in fact, I was a couple of subjects behind other members. I was asked to become the announcer and begin teaching new comers. within a few months, I began to ‘work in the gospel more diligently’ because it was 2012 — and you know what was taught back then. In fact I actually resigned from position. I focused solely on the gospel work. We had basically zero income. But we were at Zion daily: preaching, praying, and studying. Guess what happened?
Yeah, they removed me from that position.
Fast forward three years. I have that income again – or the potential to have that income again – and I am told I would make such a great gospel worker. Please do this please do that. Do you know what happened? I lost my job. and then, (it’s boarder-line comical) they won’t even answer my calls.
The saddest part for me though: I kinda believe a lot of whats taught and since I can no longer tell the real from the scam it makes me (like many others) not have a desire to want to attend any church or know go. It makes me have a more clear understanding about the agnostic.
Futureexmember, welcome. Please post on the forum here so more people can see your testimony. You have a compelling story. I am very sorry that the wmscog has soured you on any religion, but at least you are seeing what is wrong with this one.
Later you will start, hopefully, to catch on to the inconsistencies in their teachings. You already see what I’ve seen: The words in this church rarely match the actions. The members are victims, not bad people. They are victims and are being taken advantage of. I know what you say is true.
a true goddess on earth smiting the non believers with lawyers and lawsuits…. what a fun loving swell goddess she is.
N.s.T says
ed144 , Can you email me , i would like to get some questions answered. You’ve been in the truth for 15 years , im sure some of my questions can be answered . Thank you so much
Well, if you’re going to take away from Gods Word we know where you’re going to spend eternity. I hope you like dark and miserable.
laura says
Hello, I am currently a member of the wmscog. 2 weeks ago I gave birth to our first born child and I havent returned back to keep worship. One of the sisters from the church has been bringing sermon dvds so I can worship at home. I have been with this church for 1 year now and I full heartedly believed in second coming Christ and Heavenly Mother. Now after stumbling upon some information (which I was told to ignore) I am second guessing everything. Im really torn between what is the right thing to do here. For years I have been searching for truth in religion. I believe in the bible with all my heart. I have yet to find a church that holds on to the TRUE teachings of Christ. If this WMSCOG is false, please tell me which church is correct. Which church keeps the passover, the feasts of God, the Sabbath day, veil teachings etc. Honestly, I understand how many people are deceived about religion, but no one is raising questions about Buddhism, Hinduism, Greek orthodox, Catholics, all other forms of Christianity and the many denominations that stem from it. WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH? I don’t want to follow falsehood and have my baby receive the wrong baptism.its extremely difficult to leave this church because i dont know what other church i would attend. i dont want to leave this church and lose my faith completely and fall into temptation and sin. I need more valid information in order to make the next decision. thank you
It’s being a year since you wrote this post, but I’m curios to ask. Did you ever leave the cult and did you find a different place where to study the bible, would you please post an update..??
My reason to the question is because, before I lost my girlfriend to this cult I went in for about three months and took studies but I was never fully convinced of their teaching. I should mention that I was a Catholic with less than basic knowledge of the bible. I’m too critical and too analytical. I use a combination of belief, logic and common sense, and I do plenty of research as well, before making a desition. Unfortunately, my girlfriend is a strong Bible believer like you and she’s not much of an analytical person as I am, therefore, I ended up losing her.
I was never a member of wmscog, but am affected greatly because of my own brotherâs participation in this church. He is a robot, unable to think for himself and with almost a masochistic nature-always looking for bad news to confirm predictions of the end of the world. It is nearly impossible to talk the truth into him.
At this point, all I can do is to walk in the light of Jesus Christ: love unconditionally, and speak the truth without arguing-keep it short and sweet. I noticed that when I bring up too many Bible Scriptures to my brother, our discussion gets worse. No matter what, all the lies can only be stretched and twisted so far before they snap.
My heart goes out to those that are afraid to leave this church even thought they have a feeling something is wrong with the teachings of wmscog. God is with you, protecting and guiding you. Donât be afraid to leave. Start your mind with a clean slate and ask yourself if all that youâve learned makes sense. My brother admitted that âa lot of brothers and sisters leave for reasons I donât know.â So, to all those who just donât feel right in this place, trust the Lord Jesus on this one. Plus, the sooner you leave, the more you may inspire someone else who is doubtful in your church, to leave too. Remember that the longer you participate in this church, the higher the potential of leading others astray. We must not become stumbling blocks to each other. I would feel guilty if I knew something was wrong but still preached what wmscog advocates. I seriously donât want someone elseâs blood on my hands!
Anyway, another concept that scares me is whether or not my brother will be alive before he opens his eyes to the truth. I havenât been sleeping well because of this thought. My brother has such a good heart and a thirst for God, that my heart would be broken if he died believing in 2 gods. Seriously, we are all alive by Godâs grace and mercy, and Godâs mercy is strongest among those in wmscog. I will continue to pray in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, for all those affected by wmscog.
dying while in a cult like wmscog worshipping man appointed false gods is just a very unfortunate situation and fate. for surety HELL is the destination.
T.H. says
Believe me when I say I understand your confusion. One of my family members was involved in this group for about the same amount of time as you have been.
Which church keeps the passover, the feasts of God, the Sabbath day, veil teachings etc.
This is one of the big trapping points of the WMSCOG. They make you believe that if a church is not doing these things then they are a false church. If this is true then Paul was misleading people when he spoke about things like womens veils. He asked the question, is it right that a womans head should be uncovered? Then he said that if God blessed a woman with a head full of hair it was as a cover. He followed up this information with a statement about women having to cover their heads saying that we have no such custom. Please don’t stay trapped by the misleading of the WMSCOG.
Obviously this group is trying to keep you plugged into their program but I want to encourage you to take some time away (at least 4 months or more) let your head clear, and then do some in debth research. You will find that most of the things that the WMSCOG have taught you will not hold up. The Bible doesn’t support some of their teachings, history doesn’t backup their teachings, some of their teachings contradict other teachings, and their own man made god doesn’t support the claims that the WMSCOG has made on his behalf. There are too many things wrong with the WMSCOG for them to be a real church much less have the “Truth”. There are many of us here who are willing to help you through this difficult time of discovery. We are not here to put you down or make you feel bad but to build you up and support you. Thank you for reaching out.
Hi. Could you please pm me on ways to separate from this church? They are persistent and no matter what I say they keep telling me that it’s in the Bible. My friends are part of the church and I basically go just so they don’t turn on me. Some Bible verses or things will be helpful to refute their beliefs
Romans 6:9 CLEARLY states he can not die again. Now before WMS try and give their spin on things, FOCUS on the scripture. They believe Ahn is 2nd coming CHRIST. So, then he can’t die again IF he were to return. Ahn died. More importantly, WMS lied about that to. We were told that he left for China on a train, and that counted as “Ascension”. Then, it was revealed that he died of Natural causes. He is barried in South Korea. By definition, ascension does not deviate toward a descension back to Earth. Wms lies and lies.
Congratulations, Laura, on the birth of your first child! What a blessing! Becoming a mother (for me) is such an amazing moment of overwhelming love for such a tiny and precious gift from God. It is also extremely exhausting :). Thank you for posting here. I can hear the sincerity in your “voice” and felt compelled to reach out to you. I understand, a little, of the confusion that you feel. I have been a life long believer and follower of Jesus Christ and have experienced several different churches and religious theologies. When my husband became involved in the WMSCOG, my world was turned upside down. I made a commitment to study the entire Bible from beginning to end on my own. Spend time in God’s word, just Him and me, letting Him reveal his love and wisdom to me without outside influence. It has been an amazing experience and my relationship with The Lord has grown in amazing ways. I admit that the few WMSCOG teachings that my husband put in front of me has shaken my understanding, and after over a year of study, I am still searching.
When my husband was attending the WMSCOG, our relationship was horrible. We almost separated. But he is out now, and our relationship is growing stronger every day. I understand your concern for doing right by your child. I feel that everyday for my children. Our relationship with The Lord is a lifelong journey, a marathon, not a sprint. I know that a lot of churches seek to teach God’s Word in the way that the early followers of Jesus did. I am not sure if there is a one true church. It is my personal experience that I tend to stay away from churches who claim to be the “one true church” because the people have seemed to be better or above all others. This is my personal experience. I believe that God speaks to our hearts in individual ways. We are uniquly and wonderfully made. For me, Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and life. In my studies of the WMSCOG’s teachings they didn’t fully line up with God’s word as He revealed it to me.
The first few weeks and months of new motherhood is a wonderful period of adjustment. Your body is going through a lot, physically, mentally and emotionally. I would say to you, if you are questioning things, to take this time to just be with your new family, get all the rest you can, eat well, and read the Bible alone, in context, without supplemental influence. Let God speak to you through His Word. I find the Psalms to be uplifting. Also, John and Hebrews are fabulous reads as well.
This is what I believe with my whole heart – guilt and fear are not of God. If you decide to take a break from whatever church you are a part of you should not feel pressured from your peers. God will never leave you or forsake you. He knows our hearts, and that is where we meet Him. This child is a gift from Him. I cannot believe that a person will lose their salvation if they take time away from attending church to take care of His precious gift to us.
Enjoy this time with your newborn. Sleep when the baby sleeps! Trust me on this :). Spend time in the Word. “We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28. Yor are in my prayers. Grace and peace to you.
WMSCOG has two options with this verse…they either have to accept this passage as referring to Christ in the spiritual sense or physical sense. If I’m not mistaken, I believe they take the spiritual angle. So they have to swallow the whole verse from that angle yes? So either…
1) Death does not have mastery over Christ in the physical sense which proves that Ahn Sahng-Hong couldn’t have died again. Or….
2) If we take the spiritual approach, we’ll have to assume that death had mastery over Christ from a spiritual point of view.
There’s no in between. You can’t chop up the verse to fit your WMSCOG view.
fromphil says
i’m currently attending the church of God. i thank you for coming up with this blog. because of this, i realized, there are people who were concerned about me. had the time to read all your articles… just for me. i have encountered this people you were talking about (not the real one’s, just same attitude). people with same religion doesn’t mean they have the same personalities, don’t generalize. that’s what i realized after reading some. when people see a different person, they are curious right. they ask. they look for answers. its normal. when you clothe yourself with some daring and a conservative look at you with contempt, they will smirk and instantly hate you. its normal. because you are both OPPOSITE. its all normal because we live on this earth. we live by the rules PEOPLE set up for this world. but did you ever thought about the law God set up for this world? so that we will live bound by His rule? it’s one of the Good thing i’ve learned in the church of God. to atleast follow God’s will and command. the sabbath day is one of the things i’ve learned. sabbath day is saturday (you can search in your own). it is the 4th commandment. the reason why people worship God on Sunday is because Jesus’s rose on that day. but then, it is not sanctified in the bible. if we set aside the sabbath day and worship sunday, why don’t we just disregard the 10 commandments. so we can live on OUR OWN, bound by our OWN rules. but all in all, i understand your blog but then i have to like it, right?
fromphil says
there was a wrong typo. it should be “i don’t have to like it” anyway, right now, i have learned many things in the church of God. if you believe in Jesus Christ, can’t you atleast do the 10 commandments? have you asked yourself, if you had one thing accomplished among the 10? if you had, keep it up and it doesn’t hurt to do it all, besides, what is the LAW of PEOPLE compared to the LAW of GOD?
Again, thank you for commenting. The issue of whether or not believers in Jesus Christ are bound to the Old Testament Law has been debated again and again over the years, but it should not be debated at the bottom of this article because readers may have difficulty following the discussion, and the issue is not directly related to the subject of the article. Feel free to post your question in the forum.
You have every right to disagree. But I am concerned that since you are a new member, you many not be fully aware of all of the inner workings of your church. I suggest that you join the forum and discuss your thoughts and opinions with other members and former members. I am glad that you are reading information that is critical to your church. That way you can make sure that you are making an informed decision about whether or not you remain a member.
Hi Phil, it’s a strange coincidence that you would post about this now. In the forum there is a brand new posting that talks a little bit about your group. Check out: “There’s hope for the WMSCOG but will they realize it?” Glad you’re here, this could be really good.
fromphil says
i guess i’ll be looking at this website from time to time. i learn a lot from here. by reading others opinions/facts [this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
Alex says
I was in an amazing relationship with a girl I met during high school. We lived in central California growing up, then she moved to LA for school 2008, I moved there a year later for the same reason. After living together for about 10 months in Korea town, downtown LA, I went home back to the central valley for a visit. When I was gone she had met a missionary for wmscog at a bus stop. They got to talking and he convinced her to go to church with him. I forget his name but he was Korean and an older gentleman. Anyway, I was visiting home for about a month and Mari was telling me she had been going to a new church, over the phone. We both were going to a catholic church downtown the previous few months while I was there. I didn’t think much of the change, other than the fact that she loved this new church, and was baptized very very fast. When I got back to LA she was different. She kept preaching to me and trying to convince me to join wmscog, but I wasn’t having any of it. She didn’t like that. She wasn’t as close and our private life got very uneasy. Eventually I gave in and we both went to the LA branch wmscog. When I was there I got separated immediately from her and she told me not to tell them we were living together and were in a relationship. She told them I was her friend from school. I met a few people or “brothers” and they were nice, then I talked with the Korean man that recruited Mari. I sat with him and Mari in a secluded room and he and mari had their “New Song bible”. We talked about our beliefs and why mine were wrong. He tried explaining through his own views and interpretations of psalms and parables in the bible. He didn’t tell me much about the church itself though. He just waned me in. After about 2 hours of that it was time to pray. I sat by the Korean man during prayer, and the prayer surprised me very much. It was a loud Korean chant at times. Not what I was expecting. Prayer ended and eventually we went in the room to talk again. He wanted to baptize me that day, that moment. He had been asking me to get baptized all day. I told him no and I wasnt comfortable with it. I said I would be back for another church session and we could do it then. I just wanted him off my back after a while. As i was leaving, a black member came to me trying to covince me the church wasnt a cult and it all came right from the bible, it was offputting. Everyone was nice at the church, but I could sense something in all of them that I could never figure out. I felt like “these people are nice, they shouldn’t be here”. I never went back. I don’t remember a whole lot of what happened because it was in July 2010, and I just started thinking about this again recently. Anyway, after that Mari and I weren’t ever the same. She told the church that she was living with me and who i really was. She got very very distant after that little conffesion. About 4 months later I had to break it off because she was so distant to “wordly things”, including me.That church changes people. She had so many new beliefs that I couldnt wrap my head around, and she belived them with a passion. That teally disturbed me, seeing her emotions get taken over and her not realizing it. I hope she has gotten out of the church by now. I hope that anybody who is reading this that has any doubts or questions, is feeling vulnerable, or needs to feel comfortable with their thoughts know that wmscog will use and minipulate those feelings and emotions of YOURS towards their benefit. Everyone is good and has love in them. Take an unbiased step back and listen to the people who love you.
I remember Ron. I used to go to the WMSCOG back in around 2007. Ron is a very nice person. So were many of the people that I remembered in the WMSCOG. I feel bad and sorry for the people still in the WMSCOG. I hope and pray for Ron and all the other people that have come out that everything will turn out okay for them.
their teachings are no secrets, there are videos on you tube of their teachings and members on you tube giving their testimonies..Their teaching are open to the public and non members… I know cause I was a former member and the teaching on you tube are the same videos they used in their church.
Yes the church does take over one’s marrage. I am behined you all the way and will testify to my own marrage falling apart because of the church. I have alot to say because I am a victom myself.
Judgement will come very sure and certain, yet many people are with WMSCOG, they don’t have to wait for judgement because they are already condemned to a very grievous penalty. If the god who is subject to worship is not the GOD of Israel, in no way that people can be guided to true salvation and paradise. Worshiping a dead or living person is actually paganism. Never that the Bible teaches such.
Not to be the stick in the mud or anything, but If they are suing due to defamatory remarks, and multiple slander cases… doesn’t that mean that someone went out of their way to do that? I mean every church goes through persecution, Christianity has been going through it for hundreds of years. I don’t think that church would just get sue happy, unless something over the line was done against them in a major way. Unless you are a Scientology member, then you sue everyone for disagreeing with you
Jim says
You have to repent…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
or wmscog people should repent in order to qualify for salvation. not anywhere among the laws of GOD handed down to mankind allows the worship of a dead man and his concubine. it’s the greatest unforgivable sin. evaluate where you gonna be if you’re still with this church of satan.
Hi. I just want to share my experience as I was approached by a few Elohim Academy students about 2 weeks ago. As I was walking on some street, they approached me and one of them handed me a Tablet (as in electronic device) and asked me to answer 7 questions in their survey. As I answer the questions, some of the other members of the Academy were preaching the gospel to an unbeliever next to me. I knew the person was an unbeliever as she answered “no” to all the questions they asked her about — like whether or not she knows the existence of Mother God and Father God etc..
The questions in the survey(paraphrased)include:
1. Do you have a religion?
2. Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
3. Do you know about the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit?
4. Do you believe in the second coming of Christ?
5. Have you heard of Mother God?
and others.
Then two of them (college or university girls) showed me a video about water of life and the water can only be given by God, and specifically Mother God. they then referred me to Revelation 22:17 which says that “the Spirit and bride say, “Come!”and let the one who hears say….. let the one who wishes take the free gift of water of life.” It’s a video full of catastrophic events and saying only God can give water of life.
I was skeptical, as I am a Methodist Christian and attends a Methodist church, I trust only God’s Word, Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity. I’ve never heard of Mother God. Something even weird is that they say Mother God is in South Korea right now.. I was like “What??” I was thinking, ” if the so called mother god is a god, wouldn’t she be everywhere? why specifically and only South Korea.”
But I didnt rebuke them, I just listen to what they all have to say..
So, I went back home after that and did my research.
so here’s what I found, an article talking how a person rebukes the WMSCOG’s members.
Now, back to the Revelation 22:17. The verse mentions about the bride. I asked them, who is the bride? they tole me immediately the bride is the Mother God. But in the video I heard it was said, “the bride is the CHURCH” !
Their own video contradicts the message they are conveying if I have not mistaken what the video said.
Anyway, it’s for you to decide whether or not to believe in the Elohim (which means Gods)– Father God AND Mother God concept.
MD says
OMG!! this is terrible, just reading all this make me very afraid for my best friend who just join the cult. She and her whole family got baltized. I went to a concert there just to please her… and my overall reaction was that is was TOO damn perfect! Something must be wrong. my teenager dauther who also went with me told me that she felt “weird” Now, I am trying to learn as much as I can, I know this cult is up to not good.
D says
I would like to personally invite Ahn Kwang-Sup to the United States!!! I have a spare room at my house.
I would love for him to speak to my daughter who is brainwashed by WMSCOG. My 1yr old and 4yr old grand daughters are the TRUE VICTIMS. They are the ones who are reaping severe unhealthy consequences from WMSCOG.
If Ahn has any compassion for others he would consider this invitation!!! I would like to invite him here but the link to get in touch with him is in Korean!!
george says
que pena da saber que supuestos estudiosos de la biblia esten en un grave error el de no reconocer lo que esta escrito muy claramente en la biblia pena por ellos ya que dios madre y dios padre siempre estan con nosotros dios lo bendiga mucho
What a shame to know that these supposed Bible students are making the great mistake of not recognizing what is clearly written in the Bible. Pity for them now that god the mother and god the father are always with us. God bless you much.
healingfromthiscult says
Wow watching this video seriously helps, wasn’t easy leaving a place like wmscog knowing that i wasted some years of my life. i want to go back to college and trying not to let this place discourage. i feel so bad knowing that there are people i care for deeply that have wasted/waste their lives and 10% of their income every sabbath believing in lies and drowning in guilt and fear because of this place… when will they wake up and realize the lies? what do i do when i see cult members that preached to me preach to my friends on face book? still a little paranoid and don’t want anything to do with this cult that takes down all of your information after baptism. and that threatens peoples lives in secret. last conversation i had with a member, i was close with the member and they told me in my own bedroom that if they where able to murder their family members and get away with it that they gladly would…… that week i googled the words brainwash and slowly started to wake up, i left “Zion” on my own and WASN’T KICKED OUT. i was slandered and lied about in the church after showing a few members the meaning of a cult and brainwash thank goodness they woke up around the time i did. it wasn’t easy leaving, still in shock and it’s been some time.
I gave 12 years of my life as a member, my kids were raised in the Church.
I’m angry, sad, hurt, mad, i feel like I deceived my kids by misleading all of them. I wanted to do what was right as a citizen and a child of god. now who is the creator? An be a good example. Instead Ive lost 12 good years and now I have nothing to show. I gave my time, money, sacrifice, jobs.
So what do I do now where do I turn now? I need to know more; is there a law suite going on? I heard about a movement this is my life! my kids life. when I don’t wanna say father n mother I still say it. I told my oldest son yesterday this truth and he was heart broken. I find myself crying feeling embarrass, this is messing with me mentally and emotionally. Do you have a therapist for me? 12 years I cant talk to no one cause I feel like a straight fool. I believed in Elohim. A false god idolatry
Thank you very much that you knew the truth. hope all members of wmscog will know very soon. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. John 8:32
I am looking into this church as we speak and I see many issues in what they say, many words moved around, added words which gives a complete different direction of thought,, they use words like we/us/our/mother/father and this makes your brain fix on themâŠFor example people say âlove of money is root of all evilâ but if you add the correct translation and add the words in front,,âlove of money is the root of all evilâ this gives a complete different meaning. This is what they do when I listen to their videos and the use of scriptures. I grew up as a Jehovah Witness but I left 15 years ago with plenty knowledge and when I ask questions from the bible they cannot answer, they keep moving round in their answers. They twist things to suit Ahn Sahng hong and there so called Woman in Korea. For me its fact and more knowledgeable that Godâs name is Jehovah and the COG focus more on the mother than God himself. Jesus said hundreds of times that praise goes to Jehovah than himself. The songs I heard in the COG focus on the Mother as if she has more importance than Jehovah..This after time brain washing you to forget about Gog himself and his son⊠The woman above is God woman like Jerusalem where he gathers his children is plainly seen in the scripture. Jesus said he would never return in the flesh againâŠThere are so many errors I can see and I am not a Church goer any more, but I do believe in Jehovah Jesus and the Bible. What I say to people is to research words from the bible in Hebrew and Greek against there or any teachings and you will be able to see a more accurate translation and meaning..For me is what I have done, and the more I study the more I convinced my old teaching of being JW is was more correct…However before you question my words, I am referring to the bible translation, not the doctrines of JW as like all religions Doctrines are from men..The bible is he only key and when you find a church using the truth words you have research, then your heart will feel good.
Glad to hear that you came out of JW and see some similarities with wmscog. Just wanted to make a quick comment on what you said,
“For me is what I have done, and the more I study the more I convinced my old teaching of being JW is was more correctâŠHowever before you question my words, I am referring to the bible translation, not the doctrines of JW”
I would like to help you out just a little by telling you that the JW have actually made their own bible translation(NWT), in order to better fit their religions beliefs. Hope this helps!
People say that “money is the root of all evil” the Bible does not. The Bible uses “us” when God speaks. (Creation of Adam and Eve, Tower of Babel). You say you believe upon the name of Jehovah and Jesus. Then you must also believe upon the name of he Holy Spirit. That being Second Coming Christ.
Wow what a moving comment. I am so sorry for you and your family. Unfortunately, these things happen. I think now you know what Matthew 24:23-26 means. Let me reassure you that God is real, he is just not Ahn Sahng-Hong. Let Jesus mend that broken heart! You have probably been taught so many false things while being a part of that group. Here is a very helpful link to a 12 minute video to get you on the road to true recovery.
And of course this member that said this about their family was receiving a lot of “persecution” from their family and friends which made them feel like doing something that chaotic . Because of this “persecution” this member was receiving it also made this member feel closer to the “church” . my advise is if you have any family or friends in this please don’t argue against them about this “church” show them that you love them regardless and stick by them till they wake up because when they do wake up they’re going to need support and to be heard. I didn’t receive much “persecution” from my family and friends because they all knew what was going on and knew that they would have most likely completely lost me if they spoke down on the “church” or spoke down on me. They supported me all the way and even bravely attended a few sermon with me wisely not feeding into the propaganda and lies. I was i Zion member for about two years.
One thing i found extremely fishy after leaving was that i noticed people being recruited from the military/army/air-force/marines…. i find that to be a bit creepy after reading about what koreans use to do to Americans during the Korean war. Koreans would use brainwashing techniques with propaganda to turn Americans against their own people during that war.
North Koreans did. There were basically no South Koreans left in the whole country except behind the Pusan Perimeter and 53,000 American Men lost their lives to take back the country.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience!
I left WMSCOG more than 7 months ago, but still they would show up at my doorstep sometimes, call me, message me and say they would like to have the Passover with me at the end of this month (I remember them telling me last year that it was going to be the last Passover – does this mean “Mother” lied or is she a bad prophet?). I told them the same things that you told them in the end, but I am not that fortunate to be let alone.
I already contacted the city’s help center for cult questions and will have a consultation there soon.
Still I am fortunate to see the truth through your words and the truth about God through the Bible. May God bless you all.
I was a member of WMSCOG for the past 6yrs..I was so into it with my lil kids all these years..I ve lost my husband few years back in an accident and i ve been through a very rough phase in my life but i still stuck to this organisation so badly coz my family members all belong to RC..i never took part in any of my family get together..I was never told abt the church’s history in depth but recently a month back i came to know from other members that Mother and Father have been married and had kids..i was thrown out hearing when asked the deaconess she said we were worried how bad u will feel when we told u but she forgot that there many out there who knew of this..after this i did my research on net and i couldnt go to sleep for few weeks now..I am left out..My life has gone haywire..dont know where to start with..I feel so stupid..I cannot go back to my family and say that i left the church, coz i was preaching all my family members very deligently. They will laugh at my face now..few calls from them i never bothered to return them or ans them..they showed at my door step without informing asking me to comeback but i ve lost faith on them..I pray to God that people like me should check and research before getting into any group like this..theres too much to say but i ll stop now.
what is your stand now that the world did not end in 2012. is tehre an explanation given to you by your church why it never ended last year? I believe they do since they were very certain that the world will end last year. Or maybe they might have an explanation why if for some reason there might be a delay? i really want to know.
Mion says
I also need some help here!!. Can you send me e-mail about how to pull one of my family member out of this church.
I am afraid the one I love gona quit school soon because of spending too much time in the church.
what happen with this web page few days ago this examining wave page were not working properly. I had a bad feeling that WMSCOG gave enough money to close this website. this examining site is providing many good information so this thing should not be happened. keep up to date.
Repent brother Ron ask yourself why did you get baptized in the first place becuse of 2012 and fear or because you realized it was the truth remember passover sabbath the 7 feasts if this is all a lie then please show me in the bible how else can I recive eternal life? Remember what Jesus asked peter u do not want to leave to.. To whom should we go. I will pray for you Ron sincerly your brother
It’s too late for him! He has slandered the Holy Spirit đ I feel so sad for him. He allowed this greedy, money hungry man to tempt him. My heart is broken for him.
T.H. says
My heart is breaking for just how badly you are missing the truth. Why is it that when someone finds out that things don’t add up that this WMS judges them so unfairly? Talk about burying the wounded.
That is not true, my friend. If someone repents from worshipping this false God Mother, God will forgive. If you read Hebrews 6:4 it would appear that Blaspheme is the unforgivable sin..it is only if one turns away from God’s Holy Spirit forever. Read vs.9, and you will see that God is always calling us to salvation. Also, read Heb. 10:16-18. I hope this helps. A person, even a true Christian who was deceived into WMSCOG, can come back to the Father. It is NOT TOO LATE. God clearly shows us HIS heart concerning this matter in the story of Prodigal Son. In the words of Jesus, “Has no one condemned you? Neither do I”…or “stop sinning, or something worse will happen to you!”
You have studied the bible so diligently and still failed to see and understand that before Jesus Christ persecution and death. There is only one thing he asked for us to do. That was passover it was the only thing he to do in remembrance of him. As far as the feast he was busy preaching on those days not keeping them . The sabbath is the one thing we know from the bible that he kept as it was his custom. For many of Missionary Ron, DeaconTyron and , Deaconess Diane. Brought many fruits to this church including myself. I saw their sincerity like I see can still see it now. I have no regrets in walking away from the church. I am at peace with myself, and can only continue to pray for the real lost sheeps. For Jesus came and also set examples he spoke and preached to the poor, the sick, the sinners, Jesus said that which you do to the lease of my brothers you also do unto me. Never turned anyone away
The Passover is not required; the Apostle Paul is clear on this matter in Galatians Ch 1-3; the Power of Matthew 26:20 is not in the bread and wine, as WMSCOG teaches, but in His broken body and shed blood on the Cross. Salvation come from realizing the Lamb that was SLAIN (REV 12:11 and REV 13:8); for without THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SIN (Heb 9:22) Peace to you my friend and I hope this helps…for whom the Son sets free is free indeed! The bread and wine (last supper)was only a shadow for the New Covenant that Jesus was bringing. Jesus said to do it “in remembrance,” not “do it for Salvation.”
T.H. says
Oh Edgar, you are taking the wrong approach with this. In Gods Word Jesus spoke, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” How do you receive eternal life? You must accept Jesus Christ into your life. Gods Word also warns us that if anyone comes preaching a different doctrine or saying Jesus is here or there, don’t believe them. Ron is finding a greater truth. Please do the same.
Sarah says
How do you go from being a prophet, to being Jesus, to being the Holy Spirit, married with Children. Very confusing.
This is not a christian church. It was founded by a man who made up his own version of the truth. Do not be fooled by this “cult”. Only if one believes in Jesus, his father and the holy spirit will one go to heaven. No earthly person can make/break your journey to heaven unless you let them. Jesus warned us of false prophets and Christ Ahnsahnghong and Zhang Gil Jah are just one of many mortals decieving the children of God – the God that died and rose on the 3rd day.
Edgar…we were baptized because we had trust in the church to tell us the truth. Now they are saying Ahn LIED in the book “problems with new jerusalem..” The more you stay, the more and more you’ll see the lies come out. God Bless, hope u see the truth soon
Truely seeking God, Please please tell your family and then enjoy the real love of God from them. They will welcome you with open arms. when I told my family all they said to me was “I know” and that was that. They always listen. Blood is thicker than water and your blood family loves you so much and will be so excited to have you back!!! Enjoy your family!!
Hey chato, in the church they say a women named um soon in peaked into Fathers boo and basically impersonated herself as God the Mother. Thaats what I meant by ” a women stole his book”
Vai says
Hi, Im so happy to have found this site. I love that you provide valid information to help us to help those stuck. I have a sister who is in it and very gullible and now she is trying to pull my cousin in, but she seems to be doing it secretive. I have printed out so many of the information on your site to give to my cousin, so she can read for herself. My cousin is already pulled in by the scriptures and “facts”. how do i get my sister to see that this is right? she wants to always have a debate and show me the same scriptures over and over. Please help! so far I’ve started off by just praying for her…..
(Continuation)- so I thought its Satan trying to tempt me to like a sister but I kept my mind to focus in Father & Mother because I didnt want to displease god (I even wore my best suit…which the 14 year old brother caked on purpose…>_<). Oh and btw im this 14 year olds "fruit" in lancaster). So we continue service and everything and I served brothers and sisters with a willing respectful mind and "serving others without wanting to be served" chatted with a couple of brothers because we couldnt touch, hug, or anything our sisters (few sisters hugged me sometimes but brothers would rebuke me all the time…) because it would "cause us to think sinfully" but what I never understood why cant we hug our heavenly family if we hug our Earthly family who apparently is a "copy anf shadow of whats in heaven…" So it was an amazing day and I really enjoyed it I even got to watch "Mothers Sacrifice" which I really liked it and was sad because it was a play that explained how we joined Satan to threaten to Kill father and mother. After that brother would then me "poly poly" or "hurry hurry" because I didn't want to leave Sunland Zion, then we went to the nearby park and played basketball and stuff our team was "Zion" and the other people who wernt in our church "Gentile" in the end we won lol… Then "Mothers" birthday came and we celebrated with a little feast in Lancaster Zion which is infact a house-church. Then in Dec. the International Cleanup Campaign in the City of Inglewood, came on Dec. 30, 2012. Abc 7, La Times, Telemundo, was there and over 100 members from many Zions said the Famous : "We love U" " We love Abujee (Father)" "We live Amonee (Mother) I was on the right side close to the front… I really enjoyed the cleanup and me and a brother kept lacking because we were "cleaning good". Many people thanked us wearing Yellow vests [our group] and it was really fun cleaning the streets. In the end we gathered a lot of trash and left after saying goodbye to many..
and again some sisters about 13-16 attracted me alot and in my head I said “away from me satan.” (We were taught that it was us not satan who caused us to sin.) And then after we started leaving it turned from warm day to a freezing day. Which me and brothers and sisters thought Father and Mother are pleased and gloryfied and protected their children with warm heat. So then I cant remember if it was on Father’s Birthday (Jan 25) which Mother sent us a message it was very sad and touching and all of Zion was shedding tears including me… We all stayed silent after it was over and didnt talk about it becaus it was deep. Then at that point my relatives who I am still living with wanted to know “where wms were coming from” so Deacon came to house and they talked alone. Yes my relatives are Catholic which I honestly dont believe 2 cents about because they made idols (no hard feelings people). Then after that I started having trouble with my relatives about my church mutiple times I consulted with Deacon and he told me to tell them (tbh: he had very good reasons). Then couple of days later my relatives told me to research about wms so I did and first website I came was this one and after searching endless hours intill the afternoon to 3am I was very shocked to have found Father and MOther had children… I started questioning the church and it started making less and less sense. Yes I still kept Saturday and Tuesday service and appointed prayer times (10:00am,2:30pm). Then I had a little discussion with 2 brothers at a local MCDonalds, at this point I had written some stuff of what I saw in my research. And one member (hes a senior in highschool) offended me and the other was patient but I could see it in his eyes and I knew something was up. This brother was recruited by the 14 year old’s big Brother who is currently Student Group Leader in LA Zion and now in Course 4 (thanks to me being his fruit because when someone has a fruit it is shared among 2 members)… So he took the paper and gave it to Deacon so he can talk to me
Lukas Dohnal says
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later on in the week. Then after couple of weeks passed intill my relatives were 1 tiny step to kick me out because I threatened to call Family Services (I got this idea from one of the members) and I finnaly cracked out crying because I was having too much depression and didnt know what to do… I literally was planning to run away and kill myself… But I couldnt because I asked a brother if suicide was a unforgivable sin and he said no.. And then I left the wmscog on I believe March 5 of this year, it was a Thursday. Then brothers called me on Sunday and text messaged me but I didn’t respond because I didn’t want to answer and hear more drama from no one… I just wanted to have a childhood because I was always alwayd mature. And I said you no one fu’ church I want to have fun in highschool.. Then Passover came which I regard as important because of my point of view… They called me that morning to give me a ride to Pasadena/Glendale where the Passover was to be kept. Never went. Got to admit they are nice people but they decieved me… (Deaconess is Korean.) I still see the 14 year old member at my school and we hangout but ima stop now because I don’t want him btching me lol… But anyways some new songs I like but I re wrote them to fit into my love songs I like making… Also I preached and studied (got three subjects confirmed) I was very dedicated and talented and I preached like if I was a Pastor… I invited my friend (girl) to go to the church the Saturday before Christmas and he preached to her the entire day but my bro (16 yold, teacher aid who has like 30 subjects down…) studied to her about Christmas and thats where the problem started… I explained to her that Birthdays shouldn’t be kept but its like watever… While my bro would tell her its bad… So essentially she went home and showed her parents and her parents being Catholic condemed us and grounded her… So it was his fault not mine… Glad she didn’t stay though…
But to this day I don’t go to that church even though it made sense… My relatives wanted to throw the books I spent more than 30 bucks hut I told them they could help me in the future if I am to fall to this crap again. So thats my story lol… Hopefully admin puts it in order how I commented… xD also the 16 year old teacher aid told me some Missionary in LA Zion “fell away” which they didn’t tell me but it is you Ron… I probably heard about you Mike not sure though…
that’s also what’s happening with my brother and his mother. they are really into it that my brother almost came to a point of not going to school because he believes that end of the world is near and he will not be able to experience graduating from college.
i would have to agree with anne,remember when jesus was crucified,one thief asked for forgiveness and begged to be with jesus in paradise and right at that moment the thief was forgiven and promised to be with jesus in paradise. So i believe that no matter how big our sins are but if we accept Him as our Saviour then trully we will be saved. We do not need to live in fear that if we do not complete all the feast or missed a passover celebration or if we dont praise Him during the sabbath or call Him Ahn sang hong that we will not be saved. Because God is a loving and forgiving God. He does not descriminate nor limit people who will be saved. Because He gave us our own freewill to decide and contemplate on our Faith. Because true Faith does not insist which name to praise because faith comes from within. And this jesus that I have been prasing and praying never failed me and made me feel outcasted during the times that i faltered on my Faith. He gave me freedom to praise Him. And I know that as long as I believe in Him that i will be saved.
Hi Questiel- Im a former member of 4 years. The actions of WMS,by far go against what they preach. If you want to hear my story please PM me. Have a good one.
Hollis N. Thornton says
Today, I was approached by a Korean as I was coming back from work. For some reason, I decided to do his survey. I was a little surprised to see that it (apparently) was about Christianity, because it asked questions that at a shallow glance would seem to be used by Christians to initiate outreach. They were questions such as âDid you know that Jesus commanded us to celebrate the Passover in order to receive eternal life?â and âDo you know what 666 means?â. Then the questions got a little strange to me. Next up was âDo you know what Jesusâ name will be when He comes again?â, âDo you know that Jesus second coming will be from the east?â and âHave you ever heard of the Heavenly Mother?â. Red flags went off.
Proofs already presented,what’s more proof you need. You’re brain isn’t working. Probably already tortured by love bombing which is a tool of WMSCOG to control everything in you and by that you’re intelligence become dumbness of thinking.
remco9519 in case you’re thinking the comment I made was for the admin, you’re mistaken. That comment was actually for G. The one who commented “This site doesnât have the truth!! Itâs wrong!!”
Well state your facts, just don’t say something is wrong and not do your own research to disprove it. It is ok to admit that you have been believing a false gospel 1John 1:9 says that if you confess your sins he is faithful and just ad will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Come to Christ my friend!
I was with the Church of God. They said to me the world will end in 2012 too and my teachers said nuclear weapons and talk of war in the media were signs that the world was ending in 2012.
When grasping at straws or trying to provide proof some people will latch onto anything that might make their point. Nice work on testing the information. One of the seven seals talks about one third of everything on Earth being destroyed. Historically you will not find that this event has taken place. If people are trying to prove “End Times” this would be one of the major hurdles that they need to get over. The other thing is that we are not supposed to worry about the “End Times” just live our lives as if tommarrow will never come but at the same time in a way that honors Jesus Christ. Be at peace my friends.
The main fact is that Jesus Christ is coming back soon. The end times has been going on for some time now, and what we view as time is completely different to what God our Father views as time. He holds it in His hand, while we keep track of it on a calendar and a clock. He does with it what He wills. But the truth in all of this is that Jesus Christ will very soon be back to judge us, and the time of Repentance is now. Don’t take this lightly because your life seriously depends on it. Eternity is forever, and the choice is yours!! God Bless you
i’m a college student here in asia, i was hanging out on a park when some members of WMSCOG approach me two weeks ago,, they preach to me about Sabbath and Passover, they were in the same age range as me,one is younger actually, so, say i just had no problem paying a li’l time to listen to them, i admit i really just got curious, after then, they took my cp. no., my fault!, and then we meet again 2 days after, this time they brought me to their church so we could study their and since its so near in the area, i never thought that i’ll end the day up being ‘baptized’,i remember one telling me about my eyes being covered by my sins that’s why i could not see the truth–just to convince me, at that time i feel unease already, as if they will never let me go until i agree, i’m really hesitant i ask them if they cud let me think about it first or even let me consult it with my parents but they’re really so pushy,
after that day of being baptized, i started to attend Sabbath, and study sessions, i’m always being taught by one of the girls that recruit me,,
at church everything seems so ‘perfect’, everyone’s seems so friendly, they would tell me if i study harder, put more effort in studying God’s words, i could actually be like that also “refined”, maybe even be honored to visit God the Mother in Korea, i was like, Yeah,yeah, but then, i still have many questions, some they would answer “in time” or when you read the book of truth,
they preached to me, told me to abide the laws of God, attend Sabbath(morning to night)which i really cant do, pray at scheduled times, to believe only the teachings of church, etc.
i started to feel uneasy day by day, i start to doubt reality even the life i’m living, that what i do “hobbies, plans, even studies” hinders my way to God, this grumbles in my mind everyday, and yet i could not talk to anybody about it because i’m supposed to hide the ‘conversion’ thing, another thing that presses me is how they’re leading things to me, studying, eventually preaching, like time is always running out, so many souls are dying, that i should study more if i want to also save my loved ones,
and it seems that they hold firmly that only 144000 and “others” are going to be saved,, (that “others” i don’t know how many, the sister just told this to me),
the “others” are supposed to serve the 144000 in heaven,huh?? i mean striving to be holy but fighting sits on 144000 to be served?
the sad part is that there are sisters their i met who shares that their parents don’t know they come to Zion, a parent even thought that the girl is working on a job somewhere, another one confessed losing all friends outside Zion,and none of these is addressed as problem,,apparently this doesn’t even matter to them
i’m afraid if i don’t cease it now i might traverse the borderline of sanity, because of all the mind exhaustion i’m experiencing lately,i mean is this the kind of thing ‘God’ would want me to be?, thank you former Missionary Ron Ramos, by the way i was too afraid use internet lately thinking its source of evil that’s why i haven’t come to know this amazing things,, just until now ;D, thank u, for opening my mind
Janet Monroe says
Steven goes on to explain that mind control is a tool that destructive groups use in order to manipulate members and create a new identity where the âlocus of controlâ is no longer within the individual. Through his many years of research, Steven developed a tool called the BITE Model which is used in order to help determine if a particular group is a destructive mind control group.
This IS A CULT without exception, my friend. I recently left Zion. Two things must be present in a false Gospel…1) The divinity of Christ as the Almighty
(which Jehovah’s Witness does) and 2)the SHED BLOOD OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS, THE SLAIN “PASSOVER LAMB” for the REMISSION AND ATONEMENT OF SIN(which WMCOG has clearly done by substituting the bread and wine EVENT in place of the suffering on the cross). Isaiah clearly testifies that He was “bruised for our iniquities…the PUNISHMENT that brought us peace (not eating and drinking) was upon Him. Now, respectfully and with gentleness I say to you, there is nothing wrong with honoring this Old Testament tradition if it suits you, but you will never receive Salvation in so doing. If you read the entire book of Hebrews, the theme is about the REALITY OF ENTERING REST THROUGH JESUS’ ATONEMENT AS THE NEW COVENANT…and clearly there is no one I have met at WMCOG who is in a mindset of rest.
if wmscog is not a cult, then all in it are bullshits and foolishness. where in the bible it say that a dead person can be worshipped as god? where among the laws handed down to mankind stating that mankind can worship a harlot lady as god without being punished in hell? wmscog and its people are all idiots, lunatic and retarded. why don’t you read the scriptures by yourself at your own pace and time rather than being taught by members of a criminal enterprise.they sure gonna mislead you. joining this group is real very dangerous because one will lost all spiritual welfare, add to this time, energy and hard earned money. why? because they are committing the greatest unforgivable sin against the true GOD so they will all go to the lake of fire.
I respect your opinion. BUT…….I will ask you a one question.Did they disrespest you? Then if not, why did you not respect them? Actually, you are the true bullshit and foolish. It is because you don’t know how to respect anyone.
T says
My ex is involved in this cult and trying to brainwash my 10 year old daughter. It’s crazy the things they [and she] do and say to children and the guilt they use. As I’m reading this, I realized that many of the things she was saying to me are the exact same things you are quoting them as saying to discourage discourse and are obviously just regurgitated immediately, to defend their beliefs.
Crazy, crazy, crazy…
If u realize, the number of WSCOG website and their cult website is really increasing and they are “competing” against one another. They are a cult and they are not a true church they only make their members believe that they are the only true church in the world. Pls do not step into their church . It will be total darkness
You’re absolutely right and correct. And not only their websites increasing but also lots of blogsites including that Cult Research Center which is not actually a research center. Internet is an excellent medium for promotions and advertizing. Too bad if people fall to WMSCOG traps. Anyway, let’s join hands in keeping people well informed of the dangers of this destructive organization. It’s the least we can help.
buenos dias…..tengo un primo y me hablo tan bien con la biblia que cadapunto lo va revisando con la biblia…[tu comentario fue transladado al foro para continuar la discusiĂłn, por favor, Ășnase]
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Wmscog people should stop all that “we are offended by all the persecutions and its us against the world” acts, i think its YOU people who should stop your habit of dissing other religions, you want to believe a Korean woman as your She-god… then its your choice, whatever float your boat.But all that being offended while at the same time keeps offending other religions that sometimes really worked on my nerves.
Hello Ella. Perhaps you should visit the forum and continue this discussion. It will be easier to do that there than to let it be mixed with all other comments here.
Ella, your original statement is in the forum in entirety. Nothing has been removed. It has only been moved. You will see a discussion on the various bible bases you have provided. If you have such a strong belief in Mother, why do you fear to come to the forum and participate in the discussion? If you are right, you will save so many of us too.
I wonder if you were told that pastor john had a meeting with all the leaders in the small sanctuary, to inform us all that if missionary Ron or Deaconess Diane tried to call us. Not to respond or talk to them. Because I sure did. Why go to such extreme if their hands are clean. As I sit here responding and reading all these testimonies it all fits like a puzzle. But I second guessed myself so much when I was in the church. Not anymore. I know that The one and true God means well for everyone on this great earth, he is a god of peace and love. And open his heart to everyone no matter color or culture or financial status . because it’s your soul/spirit he wants not your money.
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Come see the discrepancies in Hassan’s and Ron’s statements.
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Page 2 (Part II) â The WMSCOG provides a description of the activities of the organization. In contrast to the application filed for Los Angeles, California, a worship schedule is included. In section A paragraph III, the application states, âAfter every Saturday morning service, the feast is prepared by the pastorâ. What feast could they be referring to? The Sabbath is mentioned in addition to the feasts in verses like Nehemiah 10:33 and 1 Chronicles 23:31, therefore it remains unclear why the âfeastâ is prepared after the first service every Saturday.
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I left WMSCOG because there is so much they are demanding the members to do (a lot of them has to do with giving money). They make it seem like god’s love is very conditional.
Anyway, about this article. Their teaching is that the 144, 000 are the ones who will go to heaven without dying. Like, they will just go to heaven in their “transformed-into-angel” bodies and be princes and princesses there. While the other member who were not “qualified” to be in the 144, 000 will be part of the Great Multitude that was written n\in the Book of Revelation. They will die, then go to heaven as lesser souls.
They say all the tithes (green envelope) and the service offering (blue envelope) goes to mother, and the offerings (brown envelope) goes to the local zion. And if you are an active member (like, you hold a team) there is another monthly monetary contribution for the food, electricity, water, etc. And in the zion I went to, there is still another monetary contribution for the construction of a new building (like, AREN’T ALL THE OFFERINGS ENOUGH?. Even the Pastor’s phone bill is passed to us active members! And yes, if you want to go to Korea, you pay for your own expenses.
And they absolutely HATE it when someone gives coins for offerings. One deaconness told us that mother doesn’t want our coins. It always has to be paper bill. The bigger amount, the better.
I remember the construction offering, the food contribution, the picnic contribution.. The Zion offering is for the local Zion and it’s branches. So why is there a separate contruction contribution?? Whenever I said I didn’t have any cash left they would tell me to go to the ATM down the street. It’s ok to leave Zion on the Sabbath to go get money. If you left to go get food or a new member or something other than money, you might DIE. Right.. Right..
I recently left. Very recently. I still have family that attend, not sure how it’s going to work out yet. But, I was just thinking about this the other day. There is the 10% Tithing, and it’s on EVERYTHING. I was taught you give 10% of All Income, Bonuses, Taxes, even Gifts. If you were given a Gift Card, you give 10% of the Amount of the Card or if a Regulat Gift, Find it’s Value & out of your money give 10% of the Value. You’re taught that it is all Gods, & all he asks for is 10% so if you don’t Tithe, you are stealing from God.
You are also expected to give an Offering at every Service, it adds up Fast, especially during the feasts.
We also had to buy all our books, veils. Groups took turns buying & making meals. I found out recently even the big flower displays are paid for by a brother or sister who has been blessed with the honor of picking out & buying the flowers for that weeks display. They took donations, always calling it an honor or blessing, to make renovations for the new church building.
I wondered often about how much they make with all the tithing, offering and ‘blessings’ and what they do with it.
i am thinking of leaving the church. I see the leaders buying $600 suits, $150 shoes, new cars (Leaders financially supported by mother) then they turn around and ask the members: buy the food, buy the cleaning supplies, give me $ for construction, give me $ for utilities, buy all the kitchen supplies, give me $ to give to pastor for the future house churches or you will die for keeping an idol in your heart. You will not go to heaven. Children’s teachers buy all the supplies for your class, bible teachers ask all the members in your group for money to give for food during the week. Its sad. The leaders only give a little to house church, and their tithe and offering on sabbath and feasts. They were taught to make the members pay for everything.Its disgusting.
My family left last week. We were therr for 4 years. Our first overseer was a very Odd man, as he was in his mid twenties, but looked almost 40 (all Ovrrseers are even taught to look the same). He was excommunicated, but we were told, “Mother wants him to go to Chicago Zion”. We found out that he had been making advances to the female members. We then had a deacon who was really common sense, become overseer. He was generally a good guy,would talk about “regular” things, including his fav sports team. Then…we switched him with a Korean overseer. We had been warned. He would make racial comments, jokes etc. Rude “harsh” jokes toward brothers and sisters. He would always pass it off as, “Isnt this how family talks?”. Ive seen him scream at members etc. Not to long ago, he purchased a very high end SUV. Shortly after he came, we moved into a new building. Our church could barely pay for ita own Oil bill in the old building….but we moved to a new big zion with a 7k a month oil bill in the cold months. BUT….we were encouraged to “Pay our own oil bill”. Whenevr we bought something, it had to be “New”. Even tools that you could buy used, or at a consignment shop…no. New.
A pair of ladies came by my home tonite proselytizing the message of the WMSCOG. It was quite disturbing to see a beautiful young lady confuse herself with theological explanations about “God the mother” while also trying to please her Korean handler. If she had continued for another minute, I believe she may have lost consciousness. That is how emotionally worked up she had become. To me, I think the religious control applied to her during her door to door presentations prevents consideration of actual truth. And the feelings she mistakenly experiences during these emotional states only reinforce her belief that what she is feeling is, perhaps, divine intervention of God the mother. When they left I prayed to Christ the Lord that their eyes would be opened to Jesus.
I have been passionate about God since I was a pre-teen; I even heard the call to the preaching ministry when I was in the music ministry as a teen. As fate would have it, my life took a different path, though my desire to know truth had remained.
I had all but given up on organized religion when I was approached by members of the Church. Because I had so many question that were unable to be answered by the leaders of the Churches I had belonged to or visited, I was NOT interested in attending a church that was lead by a couple of early 20 year old people. And I made that clear. However, they continued attempting to overcome my objections, and like a good recruit from a Multi-Level-Marketing organization these Zealots tried every response until one resonated with me. And then I was hooked. I was willing to attend their study. I was willing to learn their doctrine. I was willing to judge the teachings according to the teachings of the Bible. Since I am the type that likes to be prepared before entering a debate, I found my way to this site and a few others and thatâs where I discovered the Second Coming Christ (God Almighty) and The Lamb (Heavenly Mother) Doctrine. So I was actually prepared and advised them to not show me those. Show me other bible truths which I had never seen and I would judge those to be true or not according to the discernment of the Holy Spirit and my understanding of the Holy Scriptures.
The studyâs that led up to my baptism and the techniques used to lead me there are not the topic of this post, so I will skip those. Understand though that within a couple of months I was baptized and within a couple more I was a full fledged gospel worker, forsaking the worldly things (responsibilities) and holding a position in the church.
My issues was discussed above on this board. And these issues have hurt me to the point that I donât WANT the Church to be true. Issues like, âpoor people,â about non-robot members being treated differently until they leave or are just blatantly asked to not return, and the teachings about races.
Poverty.
In one a one week-long Elohim Academy that we were âselectedâ to attend (footing the bill of course, travelling the 1400 mile round trip and paying $200 to attend â with Financial reproductions of this will likely be discussed in a following post) I witnessed and heard with my own ears the Pastor (whom I love) discuss preaching to the poor. Pastor is the âBranchâ of our little Zion and of 14 other Zionâs, and he was leading the Elohim academy. The academy had 50 of us students [50*$100 per person = ???(PS, three more groups went out in the month to follow. I Imagine they had a pretty nice end-of-year bonus with at least an extra $20,000 coming âfor food and lodging.]
In the academy he stated that we should not preach to the physically poor. We should not preach to the physically homeless. These people will take advantage of the free Breakfast, lunch and dinner that is provided daily at Zion. If a person can not take care of something so precious, that is their own life, how would they handle the truth of light. When the Bible discusses giving the food the poor, the bible is speaking in parable. The bible is discussing the food called the bible. I felt strange about that. Especially since one of the people I preached to while I was out there, the one person that seemed most sincere, The one person that was âhumble enough to receive the love of Godâ just happened to be homeless.
It reminded me of a time when a homeless man had come to our Zion back home. We knew that this man was coming, because he had found my number, called me, and was on his way. However I did not know he was homeless. My church leader and I were excited, until he arrived. My church leader just happily talked with him on the front step, and never let him in. And then it started to rain. And the man decided to leave since he was riding a bike. We didnât even offer him a ride. Though, our particular Zion picked up 75% of itâs members at that time.
Treatment
As I had stated, I was quickly moving up in the church as I was âblessed with the latter rain of the Holy Spiritâ and I studied diligently. Since we were led to believe that God had no reason to allow 2013 since the completion of the gathering of the materials needed for the heavenly Temple would occur in 2012, I no longer needed to maintain employment, so I ceased working and started to focus my time on the work. One of our leaders was replaced by a 22 year old who I donât mind saying, I never got along with. He is quite arrogant. He expects to be served. He didnât know how to change a tire his first week here, went to the store and bought a tire, brought it back planning to put it on himself, and I asked, âhow are you going to get that tire on the rim? And the other tire off?â I offered my advice and advised that he should put the spare on vehicle and take the tire to the shop to get fixed. He actually said, go ahead and do it for me so you can get the blessing. And walked inside to get coffee. I was shocked. I did it, but I was shocked that he meant it. Not because heâs so young and I have a child his age, but at the shear guts of this full time âservantâ. As time passed, it became clear that he didnât like me, unless he needed me for a ride, a tow, or to move something and because he was the assistant to the church leader and he was an enthusiastic leader to the teenaged to 23 year old Zion that had been created, suddenly the feeling had become that a person was either with him or me, I found out later.
I was asked why I was being disobedient. I was being disobedient he had claimed to the deacon, because I called a member that had stopped coming, begging them to keep the feasts of God. But since our church leadership had expressed that we will not call âfallen away membersâ because they need to find their own way, I was disobedient. And that hurt. And in so many words, I was asked to not come back. I was told by the Deacon/Church leader of our Zion that, âDo you think that everything that Pastor tells me is something I think is right? No. There are times when (Pastor) says things that I know are wrong, but I humble myself and follow. That becomes his sin. Not mine. God knows my heart, and knows that I follow because God is not please with sacrifice, but obedience.â Thatâs a direct quote. And since I challenged authority, as it were, I was not being robotic enough. I was not someone they could rely on to do whatever I am told. In turn I was not a true Child of God, or so I felt. And although we are taught to cover the faults of our brothers and sisters, apparently that means cover the faults of those that do precisely what they are told to do by the church leaders.
Whatâs worse is, my spouse and Children still attend, and they completely ignore them. Imagine, your spouse no longer attends the congregation, for reasons that you do not know (because, in an effort to shield you from any prejudice or misunderstandings or to influence your opinion of the church – your spouse hadnât told you the conversation between them and the leaders) and now, youâre ignored too: ostracized for being married to a so called dissentient. Luckily my spouse is not effected by others view of them or their family. My spouse is awesome and my rock. And God surely blessed me with my spouse.
White people are arrogant
An underground teaching that is only given to the select elect is that we should shy away from preaching to and in âwhite communities.â It was explained to me that white people are too arrogant. I was told that it was Godâs will that the nation was founded as it was (USA) and it was Godâs will that the Caucasians were made to rule over it, acquiring the wealth and business and such. It was simultaneously Godâs will that so many ethnic groups and woman would be oppressed, so that at the appointed time the last could be humbled by their past and become first. Women would rise up with unprecedented freedoms and equalities as symbols and signs that God the Mother would come Last. This is why 90 percent of our Zion is either black or Hispanic and over 3/4 are women or their children. This is a problem for me. Especially since I can see with my own eyes that there Zionâs across our country and even in our neighbor to the north and these Zionâs are a majority white. Not to mention, personally, it offends me as this philosophy virtually guarantees that my extended family will not inherit the kingdom of God since they will not be able to follow the commands of God, because they will not accept the truth, because no one will preach to them.
With all of this being said, I am still a member. My heart hurts because I have been convinced that the Bible is so clear on certain aspects. Yet, others claim that it is blasphemy yet only provide unconvincing arguments. Nothing seems to make sense, except the teachings Iâve learned through this church. Are the people immature and clearly wicked, yes; but they are human. I guess what Iâm saying is, Iâm back where I started. Iâm wishing to have a deep relationship with God. Iâm wishing to understand deep truths. I want to believe that the creator of all things would be so much deeper than âjust believe.â I want to believe that it all means, something. I want to feel truly loved and accepted. But I sit here staring at the floor thinking, âI guess man will always blemish Godâs good things.â
I am a member too – in a sense. I do not believe the teachings. At least not all of them. I do not believe in the existence of God as depicted by majority of churches, including WMSCOG – or at least not yet. However, I have a sincere wish to find the Truth. I decided I will give WMSCOG chance to speak for itself, not relying on the slander or praise of others. Seeing for oneself – that is what I see as the only feasible approach. It is so because I share the wish – and it is also a conviction – that “God” is SO MUCH DEEPER than “just believe”.
From what you wrote, I sense a feeling of a sincere seeker. I cherish you for that. I wish you from the depths of my heart that you find what you seek. And rest assured – if there is a compassionate, loving God that sees inside your heart, there is no doubt that one day he will grant you what you seek.
Hi Lukas, I have seen some of your post on Facebook. I do not have any faith in the WMS and it’s doctrine or it’s teachings. I understand that recently you became convinced that Ahn is the second coming of Christ. Would you please share with us why you now believe this? I can appreciate that you are earnestly seeking God and truth I just wonder what it was that convinced you that the WMSCOG is right about Ahn?
I haven’t been to this site for quite a while, so that’s why I’m replying late.
When I had more time to think about it, I am still not entirely sure that he was Christ at His second coming. However, what I can say is that I deem it highly probable.
The reason why I think so is because I have been told about many prophecies that Ahn Sahng-Hong has fulfilled. For example, prophecy of the fig tree (baptized in the year of restoration of Israel), baptized at the age of 30, fulfilling remaining 37 years of the reign of king David, rebuilding Zion (“Zion” as a church keeping the feasts of God – especially bringing the “seal of God”), appearance “in the East” from the farthest corners of earth – these are the ones I can remember now. I have a feeling that there were a few others, but I can’t remember right now. Also, I am still at the very beginning of my studies with them (or at least that’s what I’ve been told), so there might be more. Also, the fact that the interpretation of the Bible that I’ve encountered at WMSCOG is so far the most sense-making interpretation of it that I’ve ever encountered among all the christian churches definitely played it’s role.
Lukas, please hear us! You are going to be taught that the Bible is a book of prophecies and that there are those of us that are going to be used by Satan to try and take the truth from you. You need to STOP studying with them for a while! Take some time and let your head clear and then start doing your own research outside of this group and its influence! If it’s the “truth” as they claim it to be then this information will stand on its own without someone else trying to convince you that something is true. What is going on right now is what I call slicing and dicing of scripture. They are pulling stuff out of the Word of God and because they are pulling it out of the Bible it seems like the truth and it seems real. I’ve been caught up in this kind of thing myself so I understand where you are right now. If you will take my advice and do this for yourself you wont be trapped by this like so many are. I noticed that your comment included the idea of the feast being the “seal of God” which is just one of the trappings used on members of this group. Research the “Seal of God” and you will find out that the Seal is the Holy Spirit that resides inside of Christians. The WMS will have you believe that Ahn was the Holy Spirit in the flesh. If the Passover is the Seal then you have to ignore the part of the Bible that tells us that God seals us with the Holy Spirit. Slicing and dicing the scriptures to support their preconceived ideas and doctrines. Not good! What about all of the hate for people outside of this group that don’t agree with the WMS? How about the constant bashing of the Roman Catholic Church? I don’t agree with the Catholics take on things but I don’t HATE any of them. Don’t buy into the “it’s us against them” mentality. This is just one more of the trappings that are used against its members. Research for yourself outside of this group and its influence! Your soul is far too important to give away just because someone seems convincing! The dates, timelines, information about certain events, the so called prophecies, (many of these are not prophecies just used to support theories that the WMS wants you to believe) just don’t add up when you take the time to verify the given information. What does this mean? It means that they are lying to you in order to get you in and keep you trapped. Please hear me! Do your own research outside of this group and its influence! God gave you a mind and He expects you to use it!
I have promised something to someone, and for that reason, I will not continue our discussion FOR THE TIME BEING. But I wanted to inform you know just to let you know that I am withdrawing for now and that it is just temporary. There is a condition to that promise I gave. When the condition is fulfilled, the promise will no longer apply. The condition should be fulfilled roughly in a month or so. After that, I am more than willing to discuss the matter with you, if you would like to. I firmly believe in the attractive power of truth towards those who seek it with absolute sincerity. Also, truth is a paramount value in my life – not believing something, but truth. I will not interrupt my studies with them, but worry not. It is not necessary. I have a mind of my own and I am going to keep it. … So, if you’d like to, I’d be happy to engage in discussion of all this after a month roughly. If you’re up for it then, let me know please. God bless you. đ
Arnulfo Wise says
There are many differences between protestant church and church of God such as believing in second coming christ because the Bible prophesies that when Jesus comes to the earth a second time, He will come on a cloud, which represents flesh, the same way He was prophesied to come the first time. In the same way, there must be prophecies that testify where He will appear when He comes again. At the time of His first coming, Jesus Christ (Jehovah God in the flesh) was prophesied to come to Bethlehem. Like this, the Bible also prophesies about where Jesus will appear at His second coming. And through the parable of the fig tree, Jesus revealed when He would come a second time. He revealed all the lost truth and deep meaning such as the reality of the tree of life hidden since the creation. I recommand to get into the website usazion.org and check out the truth of life carefully.
Attention Arnulfo, LIVE UP TO YOUR LAST NAME “WISE”
THE DEVIL KNOWS THE SCRIPTURES, HE KNOWS HIS END IS COMING SOON,SO HE IS GOING TO TRY TO DECIEVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS HE CAN, RIGHT BEFORE MY LORD CHRIST JESUS RETURNS!
OUR LORD & SAVIOR WARNS US THAT MANY WILL COME IN HIS NAME & TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO BE DECIEVED.
WHEN MY HEAVENLY FATHER RETURNS HE WILL CRUSH HIS HEAD!!!!!
JESUS IS ALIVE! HE COULD NEVER EVER DIE AGAIN! THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACH TO ALL NATIONS AND THEN THE END SHALL COME!
THE GOSPEL JESUS HIMSELF SPOKE OF, NOT NO MOTHER GOD!!!!!!!
GOD CAN NOT BE COMPARE TO OUR WAYS, WE AS HUMANS HAVE A MOTHER & FATHER, BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIVER OF LIFE, ONE TRUE GOD, AND ISRAEL JERUSALEM IS THE HOLY LAND! NOT KOREA!
WAKE UP THE DEVIL THAT SERPENT IS TRICKING YOU! MAY TRUE GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL AND OPEN UP YOUR EYES SPIRITULLY & PHYSICALLY
The truth of life is that “the Spirit gives life” (John 6:63). God is limitless (Job 11:7-9). How can you say the Spirit, who is God, cannot give eternal life? There must be another God to help Him? God is Almighty (1 Sam 17:45) and needs the help of no one, especially of no other God.
Leave aside the bible for the moment since our friends are good at quoting verses for maximum mileage. Let us see what has happened here.
1. One location of the WMSCOG registers itself as a certifying organization.
2. They then award themselves and the other locations.
3. They let it be known among their membership that the President of the USA has awarded them.
4. They even announce in Korea that the GP has been awarded an award. This despite the fact that he is ineligible to receive such an award not being a US citizen.
Wow. How unethical. Is it any wonder that those who are not blinded can see them as scamsters?
Todd Turner says
The day is coming when we will see the glory of a new heaven and earth…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
After Ahn died, the Sang Hong Ahn Witness Association was divided into a sect called New Covenant Passover Church of God that worshipped Um as the wife of God and another sect that chose Gil Ja Chang as the wife of God in 1981 and believed the second spiritual wife as Mother.
I’m here and I am willing. Don’t let this thing trap you ok? It’s really easy to get caught by something like this. This is why I encourage you to step back, take some time to clear your head, then research the truth outside of the influence of this group. Once again, I am here and I am willing. Take care and cling to the truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life! No one gets to the father except through Jesus. I’ll talk with you again soon.
Well said T.H and bless you in Christ Jesus,for this feedback was given to you by the Most High God, who is one, forever, Amen. I recently left this organization and I can tell you that without exception, Mother is not God. God does not contradict the Word of God. Their entire foundation of their Gospel, the Passover and its Festivals, is clearly the very thing the Apostle Paul was instructing the Galatians (chapters 1-3)to put aside for the Gentiles. Paul is amazed that they would want to be put back into “slavery” by these weak and miserable principles, which only bring about death. This is why, when you look around inside any Zion, the spirit that drives this organization is FEAR,not LOVE. God’s words say that there is no love in fear, but perfect love drives out fear. May all who understand this receive rest and blessing in Christ Jesus- the only Christ.
I’m glad to hear of another person that has found their way out of this group. The members that discover the deception of the WMSCOG many times become agnostic. They choose to believe in no God over being mislead again. I’m glad to see that you embrace Jesus as the Christ. We need a lot more ex-members of the WMSCOG to speak out with boldness and strength. Live in grace brother.
I believe that everyone has a reason WHY they believe something. I am sure you would agree with me on that. I would like to challenge you to explain to me the reason WHY you believe in just one aspect of your belief, that is, God the Mother. (I am assuming that you are a member of the WMSCOG)
Form 990-T
Part I: Unrelated trade or business income.. After reading the instructions on how to fill this out, I’m not sure if the Zion store is included in this section. There was an example saying a social group would report their bar or restaurant earnings. Would the store of a church be considered unrelated to the church? IMO, yes because services would continue with or without the store. But that’s just what I think.. What the real answer?
KPS says
Thank you for this! People are meant to believe what they think is real. But God the mother, LIVING and BREATHING in korea is just plain weird. A lot of my schoolmates are recruiting outside our campus and it is really disturbing. Even if you say no, they’d consistently tell you that God the mother is real. I also heard that they have a notebook where they have names of people on it telling that those names will be saved, and all those who are not will be damned. I pray to Jesus Christ that my schoolmates and the other people who are blinded by the belief would be blessed and would be able to find the right path…
D says
Wmscog people should stop all that “we are offended by all the prosecutions and its us against the world” acts, i think its YOU people who should stop your habit of dissing other religions, you want to believe a Korean woman as your She-god… then its your choice, whatever float your boat.But all that being offended while at the same time keeps offending other religions that sometimes really worked on my nerves.
V says
I have lost my husband to this organization. We are newly married 3 mo and he has completely changed. I am not sure what to do.
You might want to let him know that he’s not following the Bible because the Bible instructs men to spend their first year of marrage is to be spent making their brides happy. If this group really followed the Bible he would be with you trying to make you happy right now. Take some time and research this stuff for yourself. The more you know the better you will be able to cope with this.
I was a former member of 6 years, I’m glad I’m no more a member there…! My husband and I spend too much money,time and energy onto this cult and had neglected our family members!! Deep inside my heart I knew all this was very wrong! They controlled us,mentally torturing us and the worst case they don’t do anything so that you have to listen to what they said and must obeyed or else they will mentally tortured you! I had ENOUGH OF IT and decided not to go anymore….now I’m a happier person, my husband and I and our son felt so much happier now without being a slave to this cult! Please be careful of them,they come to your life and destroy you slowly and FULLY!!!!
I recently heard of someone who showed up alone for a bible study and was told never to do that again. What does it matter if I come alone or not? Does the message change?
I’m actually going to teach ion this over the next two weeks in our weekly campus sessions. This site gave me lots of assistance. WMSCOG has become quite a thing here, and it is even causing the churches to react.
I had a girl I met on the bus stop try to recruit me. She asked me if I believed in God, and then proceeded to tell me about their god mother. She invited me to her church and I told her I couldn’t. On the few days that I saw her she kept on persisting, and I thought it sounded interesting, so I decided to go with her to her church. She introduced me to people in the church and they all seemed very nice. Then she showed me a picture they had framed of their “god mother” and instantly I thought it was BS. But decided to hear what she had to say. So while inside a study room she showed me passages from the bible that pointed out that there was a god mother. I sounded very convincing and she was telling me that if I wanted to save myself I had to be baptized, she literally wanted to baptize me right then and them. After she was done, and although she kept pressing me on to get baptized, I told her no, I didn’t feel comfortable, and that I could not change my beliefs that there is only ONE God. She stopped talking to me, after being very nice and she would text me all the time.
Then had another lady approach me at the super market (they were both Korean) and asked me if I believed in God, and blah blah blah, I stopped her in her tracks, I told her “If you’re going to tell me about ‘mother god’ don’t waste your time, I don’t want to be rude, but I don’t believe in it” She left right away.
My daughter and son in law have been involved in this cult for 2 years. The most frustrating part besides the mind control is when you try to read all the books etc it tells you to show the cult member love, don’t bring up the cult, do not discuss the cult, never say brainwashed…My entire family did this for a year. My daughter went from cult member to cult leader! When I tried to get in touch with cult expert their advice was what I did for first year. BUT the next step is an intervention which is very expensive.
I am stuck and worry tremendously not only for my daughter but my grand daughters.
MARTA MCLEAN says
THANK TO GOD, JESUS & THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT I DIDNT RECIEVE THIS TEACHING .I WAS INVITED 2 YEAS AGO,BUT NEVER WENT ;FINALLY AFTER NUMEROUS INVITATIONS I ATTENDED. TEACHING OF THE GOSPEL,JESUS,SALVATION,THE BLOOD,THE CROSS WAS NOT MENTION ONCE.I WAS TROUBLE.SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS A CHISTIAN,THATS WHY I ACCEPTED,BUT,THE TEACHING WAS NOT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IT WAS ABOUT “MOTHER JERUSALEM”.AS I SAID I AM TROUBLE.(BE AWARE OF WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING.)SEARCH “THE WORD OF GOD” HE IS THE SAME YESTEDAY,TODAY& TOMORROW.
S says
Please help my daughter…they have completely entrapped her in their beliefs…It is true, they prey on people, a lonely single mother, trying to work, go to school, in a transistion in her life, and I truly believe she was wanting to find GOD…these 2 women came to her while she was studying, they just asked if she wanted to go to a bible study….No harm in the right? She even told me about it and I was thrilled as a mom that she wanted to learn more about God!! Well, it has been 6 months now and we used to see her daughter, my granddaughter, weeks out of a month.. well they have taken that from us, now after 6 months of not coming home she says she is quitting her job to be more at the church and is moving in an apartment with other brothers and sisters who are her family now…My granddaughter is growing up thinking a Korean woman is her God…Not God the father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit…Also they believe that Jesus has come for his second coming..ummm if Im correct and I am…the bible tells me that the minute He comes back, EVERY EYE will see HIM and EVERY KNEE will bow!! so they are telling me that the bible is and has been lying to us and we just missed it…LIARS THEY ARE, PUTTING IN THEIR OWN WORDS IN THE BIBLE TO BRAINWASH THESE PEOPLE, MY DAUGHTER INCLUDED AND POSSIBLY YOURS!! I am not angry at these people but this is Satan working in their minds and in their lives stealing them away from our very homes.!!!
Please read Colossians 2:13-17 it cleary states that not to let anyone condemn you for not keeping sabbath or other holy days because they died with Jesus on the cross. We are brought to grace and salvation through Jesus and nobody else there are many verses that state the old laws are dead with Jesus. Please share those versus with her and if you need help please respond. I will help if I can they are really drawn in though.
Besides, we must not lose sight of the fact that Jesus’ tomb could not hold him beyond 3 days. He rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.
Poor Ahn is still down there.
Hello! Uhm, actually this afternoon, two young student korean girls came to me, asking me to do a Christianity survey and they suddenly talked about God being the mother and when I asked them where were they from, they said Elohim Academy. So they started talking to me about Jerusalem, bride and all that stuff, even showing me the bible verse and when they were speaking, I had a bad feeling ’bout them but I kept quiet and let them speak. So after for a few minutes, I told that I had to go and they asked me if they can call me and talked to me about this “sharing’ again (I accidentally gave them my first name and hp number, before they preached to me about God being the mother). After when I reached home, I googled their Academy and about WMSCG from the leaflet they gave me and I’m kind of shocked.
Many people were saying how they are cults and all. It’s creepy! And I even gave my name and hp number to them! Will they use my personal details and do crazy stuff?! Like I dunno, what do cults do when people don’t want to be part of them? D: Will they curse me?! Oh gawd.
Hi đ an advice stop contacting them. Coz once u are with them it is hard to leave the church. The government have not stopped this is because that they have donation drive and so on to show that they are actually good they can’t find a reason to stop them. But for ur own “safety” pls stop contacting them and ask them to leave u alone stop replying them and they will stop eventually. It will take sometime for them to give up. So persevere đ dun give up đ DO NOT GIVE IN TO THEM. They make their members believe that their church is the only true church but the fact is that they are not and once u step in there it is be total darkness
Why do they say that all living things have a father and mother? You must be too ignorant to believe that. Aren’t we all know that there are living beings of asexual reproduction? Such as worms, sponges, fungi and bacteria. Perhaps they are not living things? And also are hermaphrodites they are both male and female at once. There are many hermaphrodite animals and humans as well. I’m surprised nobody has noticed this thing so obvious before. I have not read anything about it here or anywhere else. I think this is another proof of the falsity of that religion. Well, everything indicates that it’s fake anyway.
Why do they say that all living things have a father and mother? You must be too ignorant to believe that. Are not we all know that there are living beings of asexual reproduction? Such as worms, sponges, fungi and bacteria. Perhaps they are not living things? And also are hermaphrodites are both male and female at once. There are many hermaphrodite animals and humans as well. I’m surprised nobody has noticed this thing so obvious before. I have not read anything about it here or anywhere else. I think this is another proof of the falsity of that religion. Everything indicates that it is fake anyway.
I TOO can relate how this cult is such a family breaker. My 7 year old son & I have completely lost my husband to this devilish group. I had to have him leave the household he was never home never cared to participate in family outings & here we are almost 3 years later & he is more heavily involved with the WMSCOG than his own family. The pain & anger I have been going through is silently killing me.
you know no matter what research you do and you show him he wont believe it cause he is going to think that you just dont want him to go so it becomes argumentative. he has to see it for himself or have someone else show him.
Admin why do you challenge the responses of the wmscog believers and not that of the non-believers? Stop turning people are away from the church of God. You devil. You will never win.
@sanzeev … give more more tithe including your jewelries and properties so you qualify for the 144,000. if you don’t have anymore, it’s easy to rob or steal.
I’m glad you made this testimoney because two ladies approched me in target the other day trying to convince me to come to this church. They asked me if I had ever heard of God the Mother. When they told me they belived in two Gods Male and Female I told them that was the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard. There is no such scripture in the Catholic bible which is the bible I go by. The only Mother is Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Im not sure what bible this church goes by but its obviously a cult and Im so glad you were able to get away from it.
A says
hi wow , my daughter is in to this group also, she has givin all her christmas stuff away and will not listen to any of my concerns. She said to leave her along and i am driving her away. She has never acted like this ever. What do i do?
This is not just the DOS attack. From the attached traffic logs, its pretty obvious that they were trying to do unauthorized login through multiple password guessing attempts.
I’m currently a member of WMSCOG in South Africa and I’ll admit at first when I saw the video the information about the BITE model seems plausible at first, but the BITE model truly can be applicable to wide range of religious groups. But to be fair Ron is correct on certain points, this is a Korean church and thus with it carries Korean culture, I was hurt at first when I realised that, just as he clearly is and it was this cultural dynamic an clash that I found unbearable.
Truth.. Our church laughs out loud in congregation about how ridiculous other church’s are to believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. So much evidence points to the contrary, wouldn’t you agree? Though our church has found a way to explain this, there are still fundamental flaws. For example… the flood. Let’s visit this topic since accepting scientific evidence is an allowable foundation to the beginning of the “6 day creation”. Ask your Pastor if the flood was worldwide. He will likely say “what does the bible say?” or “yes, the entire world!” Then admit the evidence. Ice core samples taken from Antarctica and Greenland, such as sample GISP2, accurately record 110,000 years worth of captured historical sediment… none of which have had any ocean water or even slightly significant salt layers. So the same scientific evidence used to date the earth’s history, which by the way is supported by church of god, also says they are big fat liars about a flood coming around 4000 years ago. Examine the same evidence they crammed down our throats in this regard… I actually got my pastor to backtrack and admit the flood was just local to the Mediterranean area, after first insisting it was world wide. Do your homework and set the table before your question, and you will reveal the lie. Then the “truth” will set you free. God Bless You!
ok, can anyone clarify to me what the verses meant? I just don’t understand how this proves both of your points here. (‘how wearing a veil is not needed’ and ‘how wearing a veil is needed’)
So much information and yet, I cant seem to be able to use any of it to as prove to convince my girlfriend that what she’s following is wrong .. These people destroyed my relationship
Trevor,
Everyone has their trigger. Mine was a particular Scripture saying God does not lie. There’s no interpretation and you don’t have to jump from page to page to understand what the verse is saying. Once I was told that Ash lied in the “forbidden book” when he said there is not God the Mother, I was gone.
It’s unfortunate that your relationship is suffering due to the involvement of your girlfriend but I believe she has a trigger. It might be related to Scripture, it might not be. But keep digging and you’ll find it. =)
Wow … I’m going through a similar situation. My girlfriend of five years left me because of this same church. We lived together, but the difference is that we were not married. She moved out about three months ago, and we barely speak because she believes that Satan is using me to get her out of the church. That idea insults me, I don’t have any Satan in me, and there’s no one using me for anything, of that I’m sure.
I went to that cult in several occasions to show support and to learn about what she was doing. I wanted to be supportive since we’re couple .. I started getting involved in Bible studies, but most things the dude used to say to me did not make any sense. The way he jumped from verse to another in different books of the bible in order to prove his theory was too weird and suspicious.
In occasions, I used to beat him up with historical accounts he tried to use as proof for his theory. He used to get stuck because he did not have the answer to my questions.. maybe he was a rookie or was just learning how to deliver. I did like the passion the guy showed when he was giving me the bible studies however, he was never able to make me believe in anything or even made me doubt what I already knew about God.
I’m desperately searching for answers. It hurst me that I lost my girl, I was in love with her. We had plans of getting married and have kids and getting old together .. I’m heartbroken and very upset with this damn cult .. Why is it that these organizations are allowed to operate in the US ..
Hello Travis I am losing my son to this church as well. He has not left yet and i hope i still have a chance to get back in the real world. They took away his motivation and confident. Thinking this women of god is everything. I ask my son what is his belief he cannot answer me. I am just being supportive to him but at the same time trying to save him too. Just trying to have him remember the good stuff we use to do together and let him know that i am here for him when he needs me. I have to agree that the US bring all this wrong religion in here and do not do anything about it. It is just wrong. I do not like how the treat the kids like they are adults. Pleasde give me suggestion if you have any to help him and i will keep being supportive and showing my love to him
Now that I have proven below that Ahnsanghong is not the Christ, it is much easier to break apart other WMSCOG beliefs (misunderstandings).
The first teaching that they like to reel people in with is “The Sabbath Day” teaching. They inform people that true Sabbath is on a Saturday, which is actually a true fact. Now that they have started the conversation on a true fact, it is easier for them to sneak in the next part, which is the lie. They tell people that worshipping on any other day, other than Saturday, is wrong. Therefore all Christians who worship on Sunday are wrong and disobedient to God.
Then they go into false Roman history about how Satan used the ruler Constantine to force Christian worshippers to abandon Sabbath (Saturday) worship and change to Sundays in order to be aligned with the pagan worshippers who worshipped the Sun god on “Sun” days. In addition they say that the people who refused to worship on Sunday and stuck with Saturday endured great persecution. Well the people who mostly remained worshipping on Saturdays were called the Jews, and while it is true that they probably endured great persecution, I dare say it was probably not more than the Christians.
While their version of this story has some cherry-picked truths, all-in-all it’s totally clear that WMSCOG believers are preaching one heck of a twisted version. The real truth can easily be found given a Google search, but since they forbid the new converts to go online and read for themselves, it is very easy for them to fall prey to this story and subsequent false teachings.
The truth about the ruler Constantine was that he actually became a Christian, although not a very good one as he also continued to worship the Sun god as well. After Jesus died, Christians (which included converted Jews and gentiles/pagans) wanted to separate themselves from the Jews (who chose not to believe in Christ even as He had just walked the Earth). Christians found Sunday to be very special because it was the day Christ had risen from the grave and the tomb found empty. Therefore Christians started worshipping on Sunday. Constantine was left in a predicament seeing as though a large group wanted to worship on Saturdays (the Jews) and a large group wanted to worship on Sundays (the Christians). So Constantine ruled that both days be available for worship. Still to this day, we have Saturdays and Sundays off from work.
I have the same question. I have a friend who is in this cult and I can obviously see through the chart above that he could not have celebrated those feasts but I still am confused on how we know the days of the week to start counting. I would really appreciate a breakdown of calculating this out.
The church recieves the awards for street clean ups, park clean ups, beach clean ups, storm dsmage repair and the list goes on. Sure the president ‘s award probably never crossed his path and came from a separate office or department big deal. Celebrities hire writters to reply to fan mail and Obama has no credibaility anyway
Did you read this part of Emil’s comment: They even announce in Korea that the GP has been awarded an award. This despite the fact that he is ineligible to receive such an award not being a US citizen????
They are deceitful and are liars. That’s the big deal.
When I was baptized, they never told me about this ahn sahng hong fellow that I was baffled and simply went to the flow. But thankfully, my family and I went to Hawaii so I could no longer continue my connection to them. But they sure left a scar that will forever remind me what kind of malicious, family-breaking, history-re-visioning, lie-encouraging, bible-misinterpreting, mind-manipulating, elitist basterds look like.
I may want to thank God for giving me the opportunity to leave the cult, but I no longer agree with the bible. I think the bible is nothing more than a tool to manipulate others and God never really commanded to make one. It was written by elitist catholics back then who wanted to force their beliefs and should anyone disagree with them, it’s all to the fire stake.
Now, I leave you this question: Do you think that people through all the years revised Jesus’ teachings to make it to their favor? Think about that for a second…
@jaypee — you know nobody knows the state of the existing versions of the bible. is it really an inspired book of GOD? were the 40 or so scholars who met with Emperor Constantine when the Council of Nicaea inspired by GOD? What really happened to this council. Why during the process, many books (from more than 24000 manuscripts) did not make it to the Bible? Why all bible versions differ from one another? why so many errors? why so many contradictions? and what is that bible use by MSCOG? (u can refer to the site of BART ERHMAN a very famous bible scholar on how the bible was made and how it undergo lots of mistakes from a generation to another. he got some video speech in You Tube) let me just continue, these differences in bible in use also rendered the christian world in a lot of divisions. but even if the bible is just one, still christians cannot find ways how to agree with each other because the bible internally contains countless contradictions. and that too prompted some christian denominations to have their own version of the bible to make it agree to a doctrine they want.
read the NOBLE QURAN jaypee. u want to know who’s the real true GOD, the Quran gives best the answer.u want to know the real Jesus and Mary his mother, the Quran will enlighten u about it. u want to know how to be not in the Hellfire when GOD will declare the day of judgement, the QURAN knows best.
Paul kept and taught believers to observe the feast of unleavened bread literally not allegorically. He never taught against the law:
Exodus 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.
Just something to consider… Grace and peace brother!
Hi everyone I’m from Malaysia and I would like to say thank you for this website to enlighten me. I feel myself very dumb because of believing to their words without actually research it by myself. WMSCOG almost breaks my family apart. I feel very sorry to myself and the same time thanks again to you all. Love you guys.
I remembered a sister now a deaconin pressured me I should go for abortion as we have no more time left and must go to preach! She had an abortion and told me it’s ok as long as we sacrifice to go to heaven with Elohim God!! CAn you believe this!! Thank God I didn’t listen to her….now my son is 3 and half years old. đ
Luke 4:15-16 â He [Jesus] taught in their synagogues, and everyone praised him. He went to Nazareth where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
As we can see through the verse above, Jesus preached the gospel while keeping the Sabbath with the Jews in their synagogues. Now who were the leaders of Judaism in those days? It was the Pharisees and the teachers of the law! And according to Jesus, they were false prophets.
Matthew 23:29-33 â Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!âŠYou snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
This “Free Gift” is what we believe is the grace of God. The sacrifice given to us by Jesus when He paid the price for our sins. All we have to do is accept the gift of the sacrifice. What’s more is that this gift is actually what’s called the “Bride Price”. Take some time to read up on this. It’s really quite cool.
Have any of you heard that a prophecy can be fulfilled up to 3 times? I was told God’s favorite numbers are 3 and 7. 7 Feasts in 3 times. 7th day Sabbath. 3rd day worship. 3 ages. Being refined in the fire 7 times.
I almost lost my wife to this. Thankfully I had someone in my family who knew the bible & scrolls to show her the light! I still can’t believe how miss lead some of these people are…
My prayers goes to all of the good people who are being mis lead.
After 6 years and one time in korea Im announcing IM OUT OF THIS CULT!!! What i couldnt take it any loner is how they twist and turn lies using gods words and using their own idea and saying this is Gods will! Bullsh&t! What they did to me and my family are beyond destroyed….I nearly losed my mind brainwashed by them.Everymonth me and my husband gave almost 400⏠for tithes and offering.Our times and energy to them and still they are not thankful and appreciated our effort.They always said We Love you but thats all lies.They only want out money.Thanks to Jesus Christ who open our eyes and blessed us with bravery and courage to leave this cult even on the Sabbath Day! As we felt they only using us and we dont feel LOVE anymore inside the church.Pastor always put pressure on all of us that we didnt bear much fruits although day and night what we are doing only going out there cold weather hot weather busting our butt out there to try to recruit new members and all we are hearing the whole times is you didnt do enough for father and mother,you are sinners,you will go to hell if you dnt obey!!! We had enough!! One day after so tiring preached i went back to zion(church) i saw our pastor having ice cream in the temple! I was Schocked and so did himself because he didnt expect a member are there an hour earlier.
And yes it is very true that they asked us not to preach to the poor and homeless peoples.One time i ask my group leader why? And she said it is because this will take away the glory from Father especially Mother,I was like WTF are you talking about! Even Jesus himselves helps the poor and forgave anyone who want to repent and now you telling me all this rubbish! I couldnt believed my ears at that time but because i was so brain washed i just obey! The pastor told everyone 2012 will be the end but HELLO 2014 and still not yet happening…..
Just happy im out ! And im blessed that this page exist to help each and everyone to understand the truth of this CULT WMSCOG!!!
I hear you WmscogCULT&LIARS. i’ve felt the same frustration. i remember feeling so much much better after 2012 was over. january 2013 was relief. did you know its 2014, the year of Jubilee? we are supposed to be happy now, it is what the leaders tell me. i’m curious what the next theme will be in the church. i should keep you guys updated. sounds like you did good out there.
What’s upsetting is that the current members, generally, don’t see this as relevant information. I think information about a church that is “masquerading as apostles of [Jesus] Christ” (2 Cor 11:13) is highly relevant. Like it was mentioned, if Ahn is God and the current Saviour, why do you tell people otherwise? The Apostles have “testified to the truth” (John 5:33). Joo, whom the church claims as the founder, is not testifying to the truth. Whoever is in on this scheme shall get what’s deserved because “a fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare” (Pro 21:6).
They trick people into believing they’re regular everyday Christians with no “odd” beliefs. This deceitfulness is a ***RED FLAG***. Free yourselves from the “cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming” (Eph 4:14).
Just thought I would leave a quit comment. I went to three studies and it wasnt adding up. I have been a Christian my whole life and believe when Jesus said it is finished on the cross he meant it. Take a look at Colossians 2:13-17.
I remembered how they looked down on me when i told them im pregnant,no one congratulated me and their face expression said it all!! And I knew they are not the true church!! I left and told them JESUS will never do this to his children of LOVE!!!!
I have lost my husband to this. It is heartbreaking. I can no longer tolerate this in my home. I new from the beginning this was not good but he had been studying with them for a few months more than me. He has only been there a year but if they told him to jump off a bridge he would do it.
I’m sort of still in it, my ex girlfriend left me for a brother who had rank, she wanted to get married and sent out like most newly wed gospel workers, I was heartbroken for so long, I’m still half in but no longer feels the same… I’ve been a member since 2003, but when Ron and Cecil and Tyrone etc… Fell I began to wonder , and I am still confused I see two sides to this story and have never been so confused in my life, where does wmscg get these amazing studies from… Is seventh day adv. The true way. I asked and church and didn’t get a clear answer I told my whole family the world would end 2012 but now I’m just stumped all I know is Father and Mother they became my conscience I thought Jesus WS no longer in affect
Hi lost, I have some questions and comments for you. It may seem a little offensive but please open up to me if you can. How much research have you done outside of this group? It seems that most people who get caught up in this group simply take the teachings of the WMSCOG as truth right from the start. I have a really hard time understanding how such an important decision like this is taken without making sure what’s being told to you is in fact the truth. The other question which I hope you will enlighten me on is; How does a person go from worshipping a risen saviour in Jesus the Christ to praying to a dead Korean man? I’m sorry if my questions are a bit harsh but my loved one was in this group as well at one time. I asked her these exact questions but she was unable to really explain it. Can you help?
No William. The owner of this website feels deeply for you and others like you who are going to lose their eternal soul to the devil (in the form of a goddess, which the bible warns about). It is not a waste of time if even one soul is saved from the devil.
T.H … No offense taken at all… First question you asked… Yes Ithink iI have always been a yes man… I heard some truth and they got me… I made a decision to keep praying to Father and Mother for years they were who I truly believe in but when I heard that both Father and Mother have kids and that she’s divorced I have been a very confused semi angry individual I feel out of proportion… Then I discovered about the lawsuits which I know contradicts the bible … So when I learned that Ahn Sahng Hongs children pray to Jesus I started to think more. So I feel like a disaster now I feel broken … But I feel better when I hear that I’m not the only one going through this. . I am learning a lot more plus I do feel better knowing truth because wmscg will not answer my questions and they said I been diluted by lies and to study more so I know more now than I did when I was pouring out my heart to brothers who were in reality talking bad about me because I would come andgo and a brother actually told me to stop talking to him CU’s he’s not sure if I’m a brother and he’s a leader and in the choir so .. I mean I have patience I took all that as a rebuke but now God must be showing me the light because I have felt guilty almost every Saturday and Tuesday for the last twelve years….
Which group did you come out of? I have met many people from all over the USA. Most of the long term members I’ve met come from California and New Jersey. Everyone I’ve met have been really nice and intelligent people. These are the kinds of folks that control groups like to target. If they can get influential people into the group they believe it makes them look more legit. If you think about it that is a pretty sad way to have to make your group seem real.
Decon of WMSCOG have signed and given a statement that 2012 will be the end of the world. while I was in WMSCOG we were taught about 2012 same as written above by Ves Jan Gil pastor of Nepal.
Hi my sister currently attends this church i need help to open her eyes that this place is bull****. She has been arguing with me in regards to questions i ask her about what she learned in church. She tells me i need to worry about my soul and how it is going to hell. she also tells me since i did not recieve passover i will not have eternal life. I explained to her that the only way we find out what the right religon is when we died and she assure me that going to her church and learning the word of GOD is the only way. They are brainwashing her and i refuse to give up on her i tried to have her read a lawsuit that was placed against the chruch but she blew me off. She told me not to believe everything i read online (but these were court documents) stories that match up to alot of your stories. i cant give up on her she is my little sister in whom i have raised. Im so hurt and in need of help!!!!! This is suppose to be a NON profit organazation but they DO MAKE MONEY and its all sent to South Korea. Someone please i beg for help me open her eyes to the madness that has closed them.
I have put together some notes from Bible studies that I have done. I, myself, was almost duped into joining this church. After my husband saved me with his great Biblical knowledge, we decided to get a small group of friends together to study the Bible and disprove all of WMSCOG’s teachings that I had learned. I would love to send the notes to you somehow.
In the meantime, know that WMSCOG’s teachings are so ridiculously far off from real Bible history. These poor WMSCOG followers are taught about 20-30 lessons in which they cherry-pick quotes from the Bible. The teachers choose the quotes to mean whatever they want them to mean and teach their followers so quickly so that they do not have time to cross-check. Thank God my husband loves history and the Bible because he was able to correct WMSCOG’s sermons and say “hey that’s not what was going on during that time in history” or “that’s not what this verse really means.”
Hi miss Vanessa, I have a friend who invited me once to visit their church. I did and learned all their beliefs. The “mother god in korea in human form” or “heavenly god the mother”. The second coming of Jesus already happened in the human form of Jesus Anghankong (dont know the spelling). Our pastor told me to be careful because their belief is that once you pay attention or seem interested in their religion, they will baptize your right there and right then. They dont believe in the Holy Trinity which is God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. For them Spirit is just a power within human. I am also looking for some text in the Bible to disprove my friend in her belief. Because I believe that they misinterpret the words of God in the Bible. My friend is a new convert of the WMSCOG, she really separated from her family’s religion. I am concerned of her. Pls share me some of your notes to disprove her beliefs. I came from philippines.
Find a WMSCOG. Stay for a study on the Sabbath, Passover, and the Tree of Life. Read Revelations 22:18. And you will understand. God bless you, and we love you!
Hello Emily,
Are you willing to communicate with me via email? Let us discuss our faith. You tell me about yours, I’ll tell you about mine. Let us understand each other.
@Emily .. Actually your organization worships no god at all. its the money your organization worship. What is good in worshipping a dead man ha Emily? and what is good in worshipping a woman alive and having past history of broken marriage? What you and your organization doing is the most filthiest thing ever on God’s sight. Who originates Creation ha Emily? Your appointed gods or someone not seen but extremely Supreme and Powerful. This palanet Earth and Solar System who designed and created all these, living things, animals, insects, birds, fishes, trees, humans, we are all creations of the GOD. This earth and the planets, moon sun existed billions years before humans were created. You and your colleagues and WMSCOG, you should know your punishment of blasphemy and treason against the Commandments of GOD…. HELLFIRE Emily, HELL forever in the second life. READ THE NOBLE QURAN . Its the LAST TESTAMENT confirming the BOOKS which came before it. Not a Bible altered countless of times generations after generations.
Yes I agree T.H somehow… I’ve become really adapted to the lifestyle and worship to the point where, I feel like I’m breaking in two. I have never experienced such a feeling no where in the world the way wmscg has made me feel and leaving the church makes me feel deeply saddened but…. I feel lied to , I feel a huge weight off of me, but I was molded to love that weight to accept the minimal and anticipate for the future blessings but like I said,,, no one would answer m y questions, and I have so many still but I got more answers from this site and I have realized that the reason Brothers and Sisters are so scared to hear these questions is because they are not 100% sure themselves and have a large portion of fear obstructing their logic…not sure if you follow but I feel I need to vent I’ve been bottling feelings for a long time now but answering your question T.H I’m from CA ….. Question for you” were you a deacon or missionary and were you on the west coast or east coast more?
I was a effected family member. My loved on has been out for almost two years now. My story is a little different as I saw this group for what it was right away. I have some experience from my past with other controlling groups which helped me recognize right away what was going on.
Why? Why is the biggest word in my mind toward the wmscg, why do people leave their jobs/College/family/friends/hobbies when they get baptized doesn’t God want us to be successful…? Why? Why do so many people break up, where’s the morality and encouragement for couples, why? Why do they look down on pregnancies? Why? Why do the members get filled with emotion and sometimes anger when we ask why? Why? Do they put so much fear in us? Why? Why do they own a million dollar company and none of the members know about it? Is it because their tithings and blood and sweat go to add it?Why? Why is their no justice when theirs an issue and they say to just pray about it, and analyze yourself, why? Why did they tell us to not pres h to the poor people? Why? Why do they say that black people are cursed? Why? Why do they hide so called Mothers physical children? Is it because that makes her the slave woman? Why do they hide her divorce? Is it because it doesn’t match scripture? Why? Why are they so paranoid and selective? Doesn’t God welcome all? Why? Why do Ahn sahng Hong’s children (biological) worship Jesus and not him? Why? Why do members get matched up married and sent out? Sounds more like a business to me , get trained and sent out for the expansion of the company. Why? Why don’t they answer questions? Why does the New Covenant Passover church have more books / pictures and memorabilia than Wmscg if they worship him Why? Why don’t they answer these questions this is why I left the world mission society church of God… Lies! Lies! And lies. Even missionaries catnt answer these questions because they’re just pawns! Told not to go on the Internet just like they told me! Why do they sue people that’s s rupture co tradiction…. People need to wake up and stop praying to a divorced mother of two and a dead pastor who urged everyone to pray to Jesus Christ! Long Live Jesus Christ the Father and the holy spirit, like the bible says.. You will here rumors of war but do not be alarmed…. And if they say there he is the Christ in the desert do not believe it because there is onlyone God our Father in heaven… I thank this site Ron and everyone else for pulling me out of this brainwashing business so iI can enjoy the rest of my life thank you everyone for sharing your stories… In the end the truth will be revealed God bless all who believe in Jesus Christ and no other God. Like moses was told in his youth… There is only One God. !
It sounds like you have most of your answers already. The reason why people inside of the WMSCOG don’t or won’t answer these questions is because they would have to admit that what they are into is wrong. Because of the undue pressure placed on the members especially in the form of never doubting f&m they cannot answer these questions without condeming themselves. I’m sure that being a former member you can understand what I’m saying. This group is called a destructive mind control group for a reason and you are right for feeling lied to for so long.
Thank you TH, I appreciate the fact that you helped me to speak my mind, I feel like I know you, I probably do, but I’d rather not mention names but I myself was in the Reseda church for a long time and all I ever got was Negativity from brothers looking at me like sum kind of basket case, the churchin Reseda is so loveless and extremely jjudgmenta, when I was a member, there was a handful of bros that would treat me with sincere love but the rest would give me the cold shoulder because I wasn’t as a consistent member or robotic enough to keep every sabbath but now I understand why they were the way they were, for sum reason wmscg members tend to think everyone’s going to hell even their own parents who don’t attend and this is ridiculous because most parents have more morals and Love than these wmscg members who think their going to heaven because they keep the law but the old testament is obsolete even atpostle Paul said not to let anyone judje you on not keeping the sabbath or festivals, of course that church doesn’t recite that part they just engrave Luke and Mathew in your mind over and over again so you keep focusing on the passover but now I see the light and I have been in a cult for a long time and have never felt so free, thank God our Lord Jesus that I don’t have to have nightmares anymore about going to hell or ha e to worry about brothers judjing me! I was just a man trying to please God, and never felt accepted by the congregation and now I know why, because I was not a consistent member contributing with tithings and preaching and that’s why they took down my name from the tithings boxes area, now it all makes sense, your only respected when your an asset and I wasn’t I was just a man trying to change and please God, but now I pray in Jesus name because until now I have not asked for anything in his true name, I truly feel blessed to get out of the slave woman who is in bondage with her children.
If your a member of the wmscg and are reading this let me ask you a sincere series of questions but don’t get mad because I used to be a member: do you live your day to day life wondering why everyone is wrong (spiritually) wishing you can save them… Do you feel like its gonna take a miracle for them to believe in F&M… Do you feel like you never have time for yourself and constantly feel you must submit to God… Do you find yourself out of place when you go back to church after missing a sabbath or two… Do you always feel like you must bear fruit and that life is not meaningful unless you do? Do you feel double minded and wonder if your going to heaven or hell… Are your thoughts more toward being saved more than loving and respecting your peers??? Do you put the wmscg before your physical parents? Do you feel like your life is meaningless and must cancel future plans all the time because of the sermons that move you? … Are you constantly in spiritual fear… Do you pray and find yourself praying for brothers and sisters Only…? Do you think everyone around you has no spiritual life in them…? Do you get angry when someone spiritually doesn’t agree with you about F&M… Do you find yourself all alone and no one two answer deep/lingering questions and feel like your falling away because you have a question… Does your heart race when you hear rumors of wars and worried because you must bear fruit… Do you feel like you must dress up and smile and church or they might think your falling away…? Are you worried about what church members think of you and the way you present yourself… Do you feel youmust pretend to be happy at times and not bring worries with you to church… Do you feel like you cannot be yourself at church…? Are you fearful of not bearing fruit before Father comes…? do brothers or sisters tell you not to talk or sit with certain members… ? Do you feel like God loves you more than common people you see everyday? Do you feel like God chose you out of many and catch yourself comparing yourself to strangers…? Do you feel like their is no time, and feel pressure no your mind? If you answered yes to any of these then you arein the exact same shoes that I was in for 11 years, in a state of mind that is not Godly at all or free, Godliness is nonjudgmental, loving caring and accepts people as they are, even Jesus prayed for those who were literally putting him to death the wmscg sues and accuses other churches of being false, Jesus Christ prayed for all… Not like the wmscg telling members not to speak with other members I pray that the True God of this universe exposes the wmscg more and more so people who atre in the spot that I used to be in get out of that church and live a better life not wrapped up in fear… Don’t let a small price of scripture condemn you… God loves all and is in all… God Bless everyone and think with an independent mind… Not like a scared servant who must obey or will go to hell… Only God has the power to judge… Not you!
I’m glad to be able to help and be here for you. My loved one was in the San Diego group so I kinda doubt that I’m the person that you know. If you want to get in touch with me I am willing to talk. In the forum there is a person named Joshua. He can get ahold of me it you’re interested. I’m glad you are out of the slavery you were into. Do they really put your names on the tithing boxes? Seems kind of intrusive to me. As for Love I hope you are finding more of this now that you are out. The more I read the Bible the more I’m seeing that in order to show love you need to do more than just talk. You need to provide for the poor and those in need. In my case I find that the more I help the more I get in return. It’s not why I do it but it’s a really nice by product.
This does not become misinformation just because you say so. This website is not making up anything but just posting the case details. If you insist on burying your head in the sand, that’s your decision. Don’t tell others that they too should bury their heads.
Regarding slander, I don’t think your church comes anywhere close to the amount of slander targeting other churches like the Catholic Church, which is a target of continuous slander from your church.
So your so-called “profersized” points to the Catholic Church as the true church. No?
I was in the wmscg for 11 years and from 2006 to 2009 all I did was preach about the end of the world in 2012 they even showed us videos of how the world will end with a nuclear blast I am walking proof that the wmscg put fear in us
I never preached. The constant fear of the end, was paralyzingly. Other members preached it was glory, I felt that the life I wanted for myself was over. Heartbroken.
Anne, I have heard that as well. It isn’t very specific though. I’ve heard possibly a comet from one person. Is that what you have heard? Or is it because of a nuclear blast or something, which North and South Korea seem to be building up to.
dear sir i visited this group twice on a saturday and found thier church and the behavior of thier members and leaders very strange on the second visit they asked me to put my cross in my shirt and i was following what ever they did as soon as you refused to they rushed me out of thier church i was never intending to join i just wanted to see if my hunch was right the fact that they have security at the doors of thier churches should have been a warning
I have been thinking about the kinds of things parents do for their kids. Helping kids get over a crush that feels like the end of the world at the time. Answering those questions that are difficult at a time that catches a parent off guard. Do these children remember how their parents invited them to cuddle up with them on the couch and watch a movie especially when it was a children’s movie that most adults wouldn’t watch on their own? How about those times when a bump or a scrape felt like a part of them would never heal and the parents love and care made the pain seem not as bad? Why would anyone who had these types of memories let anyone come between them and their loved ones? If you are a member of the WMSCOG and you have replaced your family with this woman in Korea that doesn’t know your name and cannot hear your prayers or you’re praying to a dead Korean man who only taught Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, wake up! It’s time for you to reclaim your life, your family, and your own thought processes. How many times does the WMSCOG need to change their teachings before you realize that they are liars? Your God given family which raised you is where you need to be. If you need to swallow your pride in order to make things right then just do it! You deserve it and so does your family. Find the real love that you had before.
You Know I have not said much lately In regards to the WMSCOG but I want people to know what takes place there in regards to how someone is removed from the congregation, family and loved one’s. The proses is called “shunning” It took me quite a bit of time to realize how this powerful and psychological proses works. But mx x is the perfect example of this thing and keep in mine the leadership are schooled in this. In my case pastor john lee of LA would tell members to spread thing around and the place jumps on it like wolves and they all get in on the kill. Think about how this would bring embarrassment to your spouse and now they have her under control. I have hear all the things people coming out were told about me. I will tell you I endured longer than anyone and my mined was free from the group long before this all went down. My wife to sides with the church and she took charge a spreading lies about me and to think my children are present there at the church while all this is taking place. I wanted to wake away and start again but how can I wile my children are at risk and bring taught to turn against there father who has loved them beyond what they will be taught. There mother has already shown them a horible example of family and commitment and much more. just to think 2 1/2 years and not one time has she been able to listen. This is a psychological something I will keep to myself. Think and look into it “SHUNNING’ this is there most practiced thing they do to control people. IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO SHOW UP TO COURT TO HELP FREE MY CHILDREN FROM THR GRASP OF THE wms pleas come to court and your stories will be documented into the court and people may use that info to help themselves some day. We must bring as many cases against the WMS as possible it is the only way to stand against them. That way the court system will become farmiliare with the colt and they will loss more and more. pleas show up if you wish to help. San Fernando Court N. valley Dis. 900 3rd st June 18 @ 8:30 NV-K 4th floor Judge Ito. We must make the courts aware
If you can send a certified letter with you loss or story in regards to what is taking place with your loved one’s it will be documented with the court. Pleas mail to 123 S Figueroa #1003 Los Angeles CA 90012 and thaks for all those who care to get involved and I hop for all who have been affected by this group because I am sure at one point over my 15 years there I was also responsible for spreading that poison and if you need some help pleas contact me. Thank you
Tim… I too was in the Reseda church and we know each other.. Itoo was part of this blinding cult that snuffs out the light of God and poisons people with lies.. I still have shell shock from the.wms and I need someone to talk to… please give me your email if possible thank you God Bless You and the best of luck at court..
for the court to accept your letter at testimony and legal document within the court all letters sent must be certified and in my hand by June 18th so it could be presented to the court. and please people while posting on this site in others please put your real name on your information why are you hiding step forward and put a face on this
Well I filed with the court for an Attorney to represent the children so we can get down to the point if the church is a safe place for the children psychologically and so on> I hop this will put an end the constant problem there mother has caused me for years because of her over active faith, paranoia and riotous lies. I know the Undo Influence is obvious when you look at the info it’s clear and now the children’s attorney will look into it from hear. They will have the have a child psychologist trained in cults tell me face to face there not at any risk be for I stop. I will move trial to Van Nuys Where church sued for picketing.
Hi Tim. Can you please tell me if you were successful? I am preparing to go to court over this as well. My ex husband joined roughly 10 months ago and has become completely fanatical. This church disrupts our 50/50 custody agreement and he spends very little time with our 10 year old daughter due to church obligations. Worse, he is trying to force her to attend (and she has) and he is teaching her privately. Any information you can provide would be of great help. I am desperate to keep her out of this church and their teachings after researching extensively and seeing the affect that it is having on my family. When I tried to appeal to his family, I discovered that he was already in the process of recruiting them and then I was served by his attorney with a cease and desist letter. I am responding to this letter by taking action in court.
i came across 2 of them yesterday and was really shocked by what they shared with me. so i did a internet search and found this site. thank you for the clear explanation.
I was apart of this church for about 7/8 months. The reason I left was because I couldn’t see myself giving up every “Sabbath” day of my life for worship, Also there was weird worship hours during certain festivals and it was very unsafe to attend these meetings at 5AM, insane to say the least. The thing that oddly stood out to me was everyone at the zion I was attending appeared youthful and not many “families” growing up church was always a family affair not an individual. What I did like about this church is a lot of questions I had about religion made sense. Growing up Catholic something was very unsettling to me and found my answers in this church. This is a real commitment and I was not ready to take that plunge. I didn’t feel comfortable praying in a language I don’t understand giving them 10% of my hard earnings. I felt it was taking me away from my family rather than bring us together. I don’t think its God’s will to separate and force prayer times 5AM. I think these sacrifices are proof that the church uses fear and isolation to know they have control over your mind. Anyway after watching the documentary on Netflix “I Survived A Cult” I cried for hours and was thankful I got out of this before I got in too deep and wasted years and precious moments to make someone else very rich. I had friends in this cult too who were so disconnected from their families and friends, I even asked one girl if her best friend was getting married on a Saturday would she attend and she replied wouldn’t attend because its disrespecting God’s Sabbath day. For anyone looking to study it is interesting but if you are willing to pretty much sell your soul to this church they are very pushy and great at making you think if you don’t abide by their rules you are going to hell.
@Lorna_____members got afraid so they’re compelled to give everything including maybe, perhaps their own life. Christians have half of the truth, because when they pray, GOD the FATHER is still there.WMSCOG they have father god ahnsahnghong and mother god zahng gil-ja. at times they give title to father god as second christ coming ahnsahnghong. In any christian belief supported by of course the bible, there is only one christ and thats Jesus. and he is still to come on second coming. when he was taken up in heaven, he was the Christ, hes Jesus the Messiah and the son of Mary. on his second coming, he will still be Jesus Christ, the Messiah and the son of Mary. anybody claiming he is christ he shoud have these identification. if the claimant dont have these ids, then he is a false Christ and if he is a false christ then he is the anti-christ. for all the deceptions and lies of WMSCOG which ahngsahnghong founded, indications are very clear enough that he is the antichrist. so anybody involving themselves in this group and provide support in any form, they are but the messengers of satan. so anybody of them can go to heaven? NOBODY among them can even peep whats in heaven because of what they’re involved, making blasphemy and insulting the TRUE GOD, the CREATOR of all, they are already judged to suffer in the life hereafter, HELL will be their abode forever in fire feeling the agony of pain that they wished they should die again but OH NO, the life hereafter, NOBODY die anymore. basis of judgement where each of us gonna be, paradise or hell, thats all depends how we respect our CREATOR, how we follow HIS commandments, and how we Worship Him.
MY NAME IS KATHLEEN.2 PEOPLE FROM THIS CHURCH CAME BY MY HOUSE AND TRIED TO CONVINCE ME THAT BRIDE OF CHRIST IS WOMAN AND I WONT GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT PASSOVER.ALSO THAT I SINNED IN HEAVEN AND NOW IM IN A DEATH SENTENCE ON EARTH.I TOLD HER THAT SHE HAS HER BELIEFS AND I HAVE MINE BUT I WOULD LOOK INTO THEIR THEORY.I FELT ANGERED AND VERY LEARY FOR EVERY ANSWER I GAVE HER SHE SAID IM BRAIN WASHED.I TOLD HER WELL I GUESS ILL JUST HAVE TO GO TO HELL THEN.SO IM SO GLAD THAT THERE SOMEONE OUT THERE DISPUTING THERE GARBAGE.THEY JUST TAKE PARTS OF THE BIBLE AND HIGHLIGHT IT AND TRY TO TURN IT INTO THEIR BELIEF. YOU HAVE TO READ ALL THE SCRIPTURE TO GET THE FULL MEANING,NOT JUST A PART OF A SENTENCE OR PARAGRAPH.ALSO WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BIBLE IS SYMBOLIC AND CAN MEAN SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS.IT TAKES ALOT OF STUDYING.BUT EVEN AN IDIOT SINNER LIKE ME CAN SEE THIS GROUP IS DECEITFUL AND IS MISLED AND IGNORANT.THANKS KA,KATHLEEN
@kathleen….this group is really dangerous. ever if they come to your doorstep, the easy way is just to drive them out by let off lose your dog from its cage. see, there are lots of funny thing happened with this group, one may feel irk but if you know how to play with them, it may enlighten them too and who knows these members may backed ou too..lately, there was a coup d’etat in heaven. their god ahnsahnghong using his army specialized in lies and deception tactics, including intimidation, invaded heaven and ahnsanhghong grabbed all the posts there in heaven, God the Father, not spared to the extent that Jesus evicted from his post as Christ.the mother god now is very happy, he got now two father gods partners on her bed.
ok, this event led me to think a little bit deeper trying to think a good name applicable to this group, and i arrived at the best is ANTI-CHRIST 666. Lets see if this name fits. anti-christ means against christ and who uses lies and deceptions in deceiving people. since they have christ ahnsanghong as Jesus already evicted from the post and declare himsel christ ahnsahnghong revealing himself as the antichrist 666.he made himself let known clearly that he is the antichrist because he already grabbed that position after the coup d’etat in heaven.
How dangerous? Did they ever ask money to you? Before you say something about us did you ever tried to visit? Me? I don’t see cults praying with you there! How can you say people in there can brainwash? Three times GOD called me and I ignored him! But for the last time the members approached I tried to listen and now I accept the TRUTH! IT’s hard to believe yes of course. Yet I tried my best. The only way to receive salvation is by accepting the truth! GOD never leave us. The problem is you guys are lacking in faith. Have faith at least!
@lorna. . Your story sounds Exactly like mine and many others. Did they still text u after asking about where you were??? I was in and so is a friend, for around the same length of time, and if you stop going abruptly they show up at jobs , house, text bomb , etc. – I was in a northeast zion…
VOY A CONTAR MI EXPERIENCIA, ACA EN LIMA PERU, SEDE LA MOLINA, YO CREO EN DIOS Y QUE JESUS VINO A ESTA TIERRA A SALVARNOS DEL PECADO, TAMBIEN CREO QUE NADIE VA AL PADRE SI NO ES POR SU HIJO JESUS.
UN BUEN DIA MI HIJO MENOR LLEGO A CASA CON LA NOTICIA DE LA IGLESIA DE dios,Y AHI FUERON MI ESPOSA Y MI OTRO HIJO, MIS DOS HIJOS CON EL TIEMPO SE FUERON A VIVIR A LA IGLESIA,Y YO LOS DEJE PERO CON UN SENTIMIENTO DE CULPA, A UNO SE LO LLEVARON A ARGENTINA PERO LO HICE REGRESAR EN TRES MESES Y EL OTRO SE FUE A BOLIVIA Y TAMBIEN LO HICE REGRESAR Y A MI ESPOSA NO PODIA DECIRLE NADA.
UN BUEN DIA SE ME APARECIERON LOS TRES QUE YA NO QUERIAN IR, COMO QUE LOS HABIAN EXPECTORADO PORQUE HABIA LLEGADO OTRO ÂŽPASTOR COREANO DE HUANUCO O HUANCAYO Y TRAJO A TODA SU GENTE, ENTONCES AHI LES DIJE, A MIS HIJOS,MIREN TODO EL TIEMPO PERDIDO POR UDS Y NO ME HACIAN CASO,Y ELLOS QUE QUERIAN ESTUDIAR, AHI LES DIJE QUE COMO PADRE LES PAGABA LOS ESTUDIOS PERO AHI SE ACABABA LO DE IGLESIAS Y OTROS, YA QUE HABIAN PERDIDO 1 1/2 AĂO, TODO ESTUBO BIEN HASTA HACE POCO CON MI HIJO EL MAYOR QUE ESTA ESTUDIANDO DERECHO Y VA POR EL 3 AĂO DE ESTUDIOS, LE DICEN QUE HABIA LLEGADO EL PASTOR CON EL CUAL SE FUE A ARGENTINA Y HA VUELTO DE NUEVO A LAS ANDADAS, Y ESTOY PREOCUPADO DE QUE DEJE LA UNIVERSIDAD, PERO SI ELEIGE LA IGLESIA HASTA AHI NOMAS QUEDA LA AYUDA COMO PADRE.
ESTANDO EN LA IGLESIA QUE IBA PARA ACOMPAĂARLOS,Y VER QUE ERA ESTA IGLESIA, EL DIA QUE SE DESPIDE EL PASTOR CON EL DIACONO PORQUE SE IBA A ARGENTINA ,AL DESPEDIRSE POR EL MICROFONO DE LA IGLESIA AL TERMINAR EL CULTO SE DICEN NOS VEMOS EN EL CIELO Y ESTO ERA DEL 2011 PARA EL 2012 Y QUE ELLOS HABLABAN SIEMPRE DEL FIN DEL MUNDO EN ESA FECHA. ESTAMOS 2014 AHORA QUE OTRA FECHA DARAN.
NO ESTOY EN CONTRA DE NINGUNA IGLESIA CUALQUIERA PUEDE SACAR BENEFICIIO DE LA GENTE PERO TARDE O TEMPRANO VAN A SER JUZGADOS POR ARREAR A SU REBAĂO PARA BENEFICIO DE ELLOS MISMOS Y NO DEL SEĂOR NUESTRO DIOS.
ESPERO COMO SIEMPRE LA BENDICION DE NUESTRO SEĂOR Y QUE ME DE SABIDURIA PARA SOPORTAR ESTO, HASTA AHORA SE QUE ES VERDAD QUE ESTA IGLESIA SEPARA A LAS FAMILIAS, MENOS MAL QUE MI ESPOSA Y MI HIJO MENOR CAMBIARON SU FORMA DE PENSAR CON ESTA IGLESIA.
I can relate. My son is in this state of mind now. He hardly works and cannot seem ti understand that he needs to care for himself first. He Spends all of his time at church. He was baptized right away. I am desperate and will have to visit the church and investigate the religion. He attends church all day on a Saturday. At least 10-12 hours. If he became homeless because he did not have enough money to pay rent I know for a fact they would not help him. I am being suckered to help pay for his rent since I can’t live with myself if he losses his apartment.
Would the real God help me. My Son is in this church for almost three years and it’s destroying his life. He lives for his death and his eternal life only. He thinks life is meaningless. People involved in this church are so selfish. He just missed a vacation that we took as a family because of this church. He said it wouldn’t look good to newer members if he didn’t stay home even though he was going to attend a branch on vacation. Then they wouldn’t give him an address of the branch where we were vacationing. This church destroys people and families and real beliefs. I pray for anyone in this church to get out and I await they day when my Son wakes up and sees the reality of what he is involved in.
@Andrea____ the problem of the world is GOD, who among people know the True Real GOD. christians most especially who worship a Triun god which the bible never teaches. some cristians have concept of GOD in Jesus as the bible if read without the context says Me and my father are one. Nowhere in the bible Jesus say i am God and worship me. the fake apostle Paul says worship him(Jesus) because he is our God and Saviour so christians followed paul instead of Jesus.
youths or olds involved with this group surety if they cant get out, everything in their life and even their own life subject to deterioration. the only solution is by force or if he still depends his money allowance from you, restrict it. really, i think the best rise up of people to rally/demonstrate against this group which may lead to their final closure. otherwise everything is in vague situation.
Andrea, what you are describing is not uncommon. Rather its very much the same across the zions in the country. The path your son is taking is what many members do. My path in the church was similar. Members do not go to other zions. I’m not certain the reason for this. Members spend more time at church and less with the family. Look at the positive side. Your son is separate from the trouble in the world. At least he will be away from gangs, or drugs, or parties, or alcohol, or anything else. But i believe he shouldn’t neglect the family. Don’t punish him, but encourage him to partake in family events. Don’t impose other religious holidays on him like christmas or thanksgiving or easter. Give him opportunity to be part of the family. Maybe show him examples in the bible how other priests in the old testament took care and spent time with their families. Support him. Find a time to go on vacation in between the 7 feasts. He should still be able leave on vacation. Give him space to keep the sabbath day and prayer times. Give him the notion that God may lead him to a person while on vacation. Encourage him, remind him prayer time is soon. Be on his side and not against him. Dont further separate him. It wont help your situation.
ur an intelligent woman and a silent fighter. congratulations. i wish my wife could have been the same as u. she let herself hooked up with this lunatic group along with her kids instead of her packing up and leave. now a family torn down may not be rebuilt again.
@Amanda ..involvement in such activities can only be resolved by the victims themselves. of course attentive counseling may help though may prove ineffective too. the behaviour of victims shows a deep indoctrination causing their minds to focus on only what are instructed to them. u xplain a thing, they wont listen and always they find ways escaping arguments or simply they just fall silent. what happened to my wife and kids is a product of deep involvement where even me as the head of the family lost control to any of them. my wife’s behaviour of lying indicates a serious malfunction of her subconscious. an alternate solution perhaps is to force them get out or say chain and lock them at home and re-educate them. but for certain, if somebody or on collective efforts, do something to extinguish the WMSCOG so it close down, then eveything is solved, next steps for the recuperation of the victims should already be easier. I think if rallies and demonstrations can be organized against this group, whether those affected or not, may eventually lead to their ejection and cease operation but who, well government and non-governmental organizations should be involved
@Gigi__ force ur son to back out immediately, fight argumentally with those preventing his exit from the group. if they say, you and your son will not be saved because so and so, tell them that WMSCOG including their leaders, pastors and anybody supporting the idea of an absurd religion of man-appointed gods, their abode is hellfire, and the true GOD the GOD CREATOR of the Universe, the GOD of all has already judged them that HELL is their destination and that is their abode forever, that they opt to die again in their second life, but they dont know, in the second life, nodoby will die anymore. their skins will be burned and renewed again and again and they will feel the agony of pain that their lips misplaced. It is written in the Last Testament, the QURAN.
GoDisonlyONE Thanks for replying! I cannot believe that my son was targeted while in college! It sounded great! But now the obsession is beyond words! He does not see that we as a family are worried about him. He goes to church everyday! He has no other conversation in hi mind! I was informing him of what I had read about the church 2 months ago that it did not seem legit and he was offended and his reply was that he knew I was going to tell him that! Sounded like the church prepared him to say that! He seems as though they have him constantly thinking that he goes preaching all the time he carries the bible in his back pack and can not leave home with out it. He put college on hold. Flushed 3 semesters. His student loan, credit card is backed up. No money for rent because his job does he does not make much because of his demanding schedule for church! I don’t understand why if its a organization they should be building him in providing for his future and they have him living for the moment! He said in a text a few days ago that heaven is coming soon! And that the Pope is set out ti visit Korea and start a conflict with their church next month. I am planning something in my mind because I need to thread carefully without breaking him. The church has no idea what they are doing to our youngsters today!
@Gigi…i lost my family to this group, but unsuspecting all i know is its just another spring of a born again church because i went several times accompanying my family in their church and at their end prayers, they’re invoking God the Father and all they ask in the name of the son Jesus Christ, by this anybody will not suspect that they’re invoking some other gods. Lately though, i began noticing something weird and strange to my son, daughters and their mother, that they used to lie most especially where they go everyday. i’m working abroad and i just cant give total control of them because i just have in mind that my wife should lead them to the right way, I was wrong that even my wife’s brother also became member of this organization.
the bible they’re using is the NIV, and the most corrupt bible among all versions of the bible. in the 90’s million of copies of this version were distributed all over the world. i don’t know if i am wrong but i assume that there was a pre-planned objective. I dont know actually if the Pope will have conflict with this group because the papacy also had been involved in so many wrongdoings up to the extent of mass genocide. (if u are a researcher and havent gone yet to sites observing the vatican since then and now, try visiting itccs.org) and/or u can search for vatican crimes simply in your search bar.
reference to the we love you foundation page depicting the chairwoman …. zanhng gil jah says after her statement “God Bless You” Question ???? if she’s god why she not said “I Bless You”
WMSCOG really fabricating stories, lies after lies and deceiving unsuspecting innocents
good to make movie film for this. gods and goddesses love story!!! starring ahnsahnghong as god the father, elijah-christ, zahng gil jah as mother god, jae hoon kim in supporting role,
directed by Joo Choel Kim. Cast of characters multi-support, all deacons and members, produce by WMSCOG. How about that, blockbuster movie.
I was almost recruited by these people that I met on the street. Despite being a Christian for 15+ yrs, I was mesmerized by their false reports that were actually just cherry-picked quotes from the Bible. I studied with one Korean woman for about a month, and during that time I was thoroughly convinced that I had to divorce my Christian husband. Thank God my husband is so well-studied in the Bible and in Biblical history, for he was able to kick my arse at any debate. Finally I told this Korean lady that I didn’t want to spend anymore time studying with her. Of course she made me feel guilty, like as if I was going to hell. However, I look back on this one month of my life and shake my head in disgust that I ever prayed to some Korean man as if he was Jesus. I love my husband so much and am eternally indebted to him for saving my soul. Since then I have studied the Bible in more detail so that I am better prepared next time I meet a WMSCOG on the street. We also put together a Bible study to prove wrong all of WMSCOG’s teachings. The core of their belief is the second-coming of Christ in a Korean man named Ahnsanghong because they translate “clouds” to mean a human body. Well for a church that claims to be “word of faith” I’ve got news for them, JESUS will return in REAL CLOUDS. His followers LITERALLY watched Him ascend into the clouds. Then some angels came and said “….why do you look into the sky? This SAME Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.” Act 1:10-11
My husband said it best when he said, “Clouds just sometimes mean clouds.” Touche!
Wow. Acts 1:10-11 is a perfect refute their doctrine on Christ’s 2nd coming. I was using Matthew 24:23-30. I would love to get some of the info you have compiled to refute their teachings. Let me know how I could do this. I was thinking if you could put your findings in a .pdf format and put it in a Dropbox folder and then send the link to me.
I also have been approached by this church… I attended their bible study for weeks.. they never revealed their belief until after I went along with their baptism.. I was under the impression this was a Christ based Christian church.. Once they revealed their belief in Ahn Song Hong being the 2nd coming of Christ and God the Mother I was very upset and told them I know longer wanted to attend the studies.,, they are a very persistent and bossy group.. they proceeded to come by and call my house… I gave it another try to see if maybe there was some truth to it but still am not convinced,,, they only show u bits and pieces of the Bible to go along with what they want you to believe.. They have tried to impose guilt on me for not wanting to attend their services twice a week,,, after reading this article and many others on the internet today is the day I must put my foot down and tell them to leave me alone.. I believe solely in Jesus Christ and I do not think its right that they would want people living in fear.. telling us we will not die without seeing the end … and will only be saved so long as we are baptized through their church and attend all services as well as celebrate the passover…God does not want his children living in fear like that
The same thing happened to me, but I left Two weeks after going to their Bible studies and once to their service, I felt tricked into getting baptized again, but my boyfriend told that they sound like a cult and once I realized it, I was gone.
Omg so many people with wrong ideas the true meaning of the tree is so simple
It’s the church and pharrises of religious law they gave man choice and understanding of stuff god didn’t want us to have like the knowledge of murder hence Cain and Abel you don’t do stuff you don’t know exsists
i want to comment on Missionary Ron’s video. i can agree with some of his comments. the issues he’s had in his zion are present in my zion. and the source of the issues come from the preacher.
i think we need to educate ourselves of the characteristics of korean culture. what we perceive as cult characteristics could be just cultural. will the overseas members tell you the indepth attributes of their culture? from my experience, no. what about characteristics of appearances, false appearances, acts of truth that are followed or repeated with acts of lies. we should understand more about their group mindset and its dynamic. or perhaps the displacement of the truth. (we didn’t do it, it was the catholic church who does it). or value that is put on deceit. or the invoking of envy between people.
i noticed there is a characteristic of hiding the truth. about 2012 prophecy, i think we were all supposed to accept it as truth, but hide this truth and go out to preach with the mindset of saving souls quickly. but some of us dont have such charactoristics like hiding the truth. i think the intention was good but it was through an act of deception.
isnt deception part of korean culture. isnt it hard wired? i know members that have a big issue with 2012 but are still attending. some are not attending anymore. correct me if i’m all wrong here. is there a charactistic of a narrow mindset? is there a charactoristic of control? Ron says he was told to say something to other members. he was controlled as it is called. can someone else comment from their experience? what do you know about korean culture?
I was once told by a Korean friends mother that in her culture Koreans view themselves as the most perfect being to ever bless the Earth with the imprint of their foot. If this is the mentality we are dealing with then it’s easier to understand how they use others without feeling bad about it.
hmmm… ok. i understand the preacher is a position of being a prophet. i understand their preaching or teaching comes from the group. if one preacher in europe is preaching about 2012, it is also preached about in south america. leaders have beliefs and teaching not taught to regular members. what would these be?
look here, WMSCOG has man-appointed gods, ahnsanghong is dead while his concubine zanhng gil ja still maybe alive. are these true gods? NEVER but they are fake and false gods. no creation of GOD can be a god and with such reason, it should already justify that if WMSCOG is not a cult, then all in it are BULLSHITS and FOOLISHNESS, which they apply and take money, time, energy from innocent and unaware victims transforming themselves idiots and lunatic expecting false salvation.
Yes, I actually know Ron personally and was in the same church he was, im going to tell you thatif your still in this church Get Out now while you can! There are dozens of reasons why I left after 11a years and the main reason, my main reason is that I understand the scripture now, and the New Jerusalem is not a women, if you read revelations carefully it clearly says that the water of life was flowing from the throne of God, which the lamb sits at the right side, the new Jerusalem coming out of heaven is the city of God now how can we worship a city,? And in galtions 4:16 the new jerusalem is called our Mother because apostle paul is using the idea of a Mother to show us that we are all related spiritually, there is No actual Mother…. I thank God for revealing me the truth of the new Jerisalem, lol I dont know how I actually followed these lies for so long, and even if she is the supposed God the mother, then they wouldnt hide her divorce papers and two children feom me for 11 years. Its just a big hoax, they use 7th day adventist studies mixed with a few other religious studies and make up stories about ahn sahng hong ! Lol dont waste your time, God bless you and good luck!!,
WMSCOG is an organization opposed to truth which it wanted the false to be the truth. It’s foundation is all falsehood and though their false god and false christ opposes the idea of a mother god, it’s of no use because the man is dead and in no way can defend himself. At this point in time, this not so important because already the false doctrine of worshipping a dead man and his living concubine should already be sufficient to prove that WMSCOG is the church of SATAN.
whether elijah or jesus, ahnsanghong cannot be either one of them. Prophet Elijah also was not John the Baptist. The idea is derived from buddhist and hindu belief of Reincarnation which is not even mentioned in the Scriptures. Resurrection mentioned at times in the Bible is not implying Reincarnation. WMSCOG absurd doctrine is a mixture of christianity, buddhism and hinduism.
Here in Cebu Philippines. I was also preached by two girls but they never told me what religion they came from.They said that I need to do the passover in order to be save and the sabbath day during saturday.They also said that their is the bride of Jesus/God that is a woman, and also that we are angels before in Philippians 3:20. It’s like that for them they are the real christian and the others are nOt.They told me that babies who died will go to hell and then Jesus will give them chance by preaching their. What they don’t know that I’m a Born Again Christian and I know what is it that I believe…Please leave a reply of your comment..
everybody in WMSCOG believe that they are christians, but nope they belong to Aryan denomination because they have none real god. how could be a dead man and his living concubine became gods is only the kind of thinking of insane people. i really wonder how the buddhist and hindu traditions became accepted by a number of filipinos. buddisht and hindus believe in reincarnation which is not even mentioned in any books of the bible. filipinos become idiots like the uneducated nepalese and indian hindus. WMSCOG telling they are the true church. one thing certain is they are the true church of satan and all of them will go to hell.
I thought only God can say who is going to heaven and to hell. lol. try not to condemn yourself so soon dude. remind me to go to your church where they call people idiots and say whos going to hell or not. lol im literally dying at all these comments you “christians” and “believers” are commenting. thank God im not one of you.
Brother, I understand that you are very confused. Yes it is hard to believe, but if you try to listen carefully, you will understand that everything. AS IN EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW. I am a catholic before, and I have a lot of questions about my religion because my religion does not follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS. World Mission Society Church of God aims to tell everyone that our second coming Christ already came down to this earth to give us salvation. I know you have read the bible yet you did not know Jesus came for the second time.
So because you see catholic as wrong the WMS is right? I’m sorry that you’ve fallen for Satan’s great deception. I hope your eyes are opened soon. You’re trapped in a nest of lies!
Thanks for this video warning. I knew nothing about this group until today, when 2 apparent members tried to recruit me. Red flags immediately went up when they tried to twist scripture to “prove” there was a God the Mother (blasphemy!), and their false legalism about a Saturday sabbath (I choose to make every day a day for the Lord). They departed quickly after I cited various scriptures about end times bible prophecy (e.g., the Restrainer, the covenant the Antichrist confirms for 7 years, etc.) They seemed to believe we’re in the end times (I certainly believe this is the end of this age right before Jesus’ return), but their end times understanding differed from the Bible in many respects. Basically, they write their own gospel (see Galatians 1:8).
one of the signs of the end times is the coming out of Antichrists preaching false doctrines leading people towards hell. the gods of this group, WMSCOG are themselves anti-christs for the reason that their male appointed god has taken the name second coming Christ Ahnsahnghong, and how was that the man is dead and Jesus still has to come but they say Jesus has came already in the person of ahnsahnghong. Again how? when Jesus returns he would be the same Jesus who ascended into heaven, a Jew, the Messiah and the son of Mary. and when he comes he will not die again because it was believed that he ascended into heaven with resurrected body. there’as none real doctrine of this devil church. people joining are unaware of the bait and they give tithes, jewelries, money, time, energy etc etc. expecting salvation while there’s no salvation for this group and instead they are subject to salvage-tion.
Ahn’s old tombstone had the names of his children on it. The WMSCOG for many years taught that Ahn was never married and didn’t have any children. Not they play it off that it is no big deal that Ahn had kids and even try to justify the idea that Ahn had to have kids. Why would Ahn have cheated on Chang/Zahng and had kids with another woman is a question that the WMSCOG refuses to sufficiently answer. Another question is that if Ahn was god why would he come to earth and have sexual relations with one of his children?
The Islamic Quran is more specific with regards to creation. Accordingly, angels and one of them is Gabriel were created from pure light, the jinns and one of them is Satan were creared from smokeless fire, the first man Adam was created from molded clay and Jesus was created from word; for GOD to create HE says only “BE” and it is. That’s how powerful unseen SUPREME POWER IS.
yeah, like that 2012 end of the world prophecy. they admit they done the prophecy and after nothing happened they say because it was postponed by god ahnsahnghong and mother god due that they give respite to everybody. they say they have answer(s) to all questions, any question. funny though that answers fail to stand against reason.
I was just thinking about the thought process here. There’s a fake mother god so there must be a real mother god. What??? Going with that kind of thought process, there’s a fake Jackalope so there must be real Jackalope. There’s a fake Fiji mermaid so there must be a real Fiji mermaid. Obviously there are flaws to this kind of thinking and only someone trying to manipulate others would try to use this school of thought as some kind of proof.
This is some seriously flawed thinking. There’s a fake god the mother so there must be a real god the mother? With this kind of logic you have to believe that if there’s a fake jackalope then there must be a real jackalope, if there’s a fake Fiji mermaid then there must be a real Fiji mermaid, if there’s a fake Santa Clause then there must be a real Santa Clause. Is there anyone that really wants to follow this train of thought down this dirt road?
It’s really not a matter of if its in the bible or not it’s how they use the Bible to justify what they’re teaching. You can make the Bible back up many different topics but is it being taken out of context? This is the main issue and problem with the WMSCOG and groups like it.
THIS CHURCH IS SOOOO FAKE, WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP ATTENDING, I WASTED 11 years of my life with these liars!!! Only to find out that The supoosed God the mother is divorced and has children, lies and more lies, thank you Jesus for getring me outta there!
@former member…very nice of you, you have the guts to research unlike other members who already perhaps submit themselves to anything WMSCOG tells them. You have again redeemed your spiritual welfare. 11 years and you’re lucky you didn’t die while with WMSCOG.
This website is falsehood and I am sorry you all feel this way towards our church. But learning the truth from the internet is not the way to go about it. Jesus had only a group of believers at his 1st coming while so many Jews hated him. It is the same now just through the internet. People please wake up and see the falsehood in every Sunday going, cheistmas, Easter, etc celebrating church and know that is not the teachings of Jesus Christ. Those are pagan rituals which was introduced into the churches after Christ an the early apostles returned back to heaven. If the church doesn’t follow Jesus’s teachings, how do you expect to find truth from that church or their teachings. Please don’t turn away from God following mans traditions. Understand Jesus he would have a new name at his return to this earth. Do not be mislead by those who don’t follow the teachings of Christ.
In conclusion: pay attention to what is taught at churches and what is taught through the Bible, if they do not match, you must think about how you are going to follow the true teachings of Christ which will lead you to the kingdom of Heaven. People please wake up. God Bless you all.
Did you read my comment, Mother’s Love? I met people personally, face to face, and also talked to even more on the phone. It isn’t from the internet that I learned the most. Their stories matched exactly what my experiences have been. You need to get out of the snow globe the Wms puts you in when you become a member. You actually need to see what is out there.
So sad when people waste their time in this scam of a group. That seems to be what they are most angry about after they discover they were lied to. And who is the Father of Lies, Mother’s Love? You know the answer.
Lauren says
I had never hard of this cult till last night while I was shopping. At first I thought they were Jehovahâs witnesses.
They started with Galatians 4:26, asking if Iâve ever heard of mother god.
I said no, Iâm a Christian and Jerusalem is not god. I explained to them the holy trinity but they donât believe in the Holy Trinity. They said it doesnât make sense. I was about to explain to them the Holy Trinity when one of them showed me a verse in Revelation mentioning the bride. They donât even know that the bride represents the church, đ€Šđ»ââïž
After a few minutes they started getting irritated because I did not believe a word they said. One of them invited me to their Bible study. I told them I lead a Bible study group at our church.
I asked them if they worship Jesus and they said yes. They said they are saved. I asked who their savior is and they said itâs mother god! Yikes !!
This is why itâs crucial to know our Bible. That way we can discern truth from heresy. We wonât recognize whatâs false if we donât know the truth.
As they were about to leave I told them I would be praying for them. That made them more irritated !
Pretty much everyone here has learned from the Bible before we ever looked at the internet. We don’t hate your church or the people in it. We hate the lies the leaders of your church try to feed innocent people. Do your research. I have. I don’t just look at the internet for my information, either. I meet people face to face and talk to them. I also talk to them on the phone. I have met many over the years I have dealt with this. Their stories and mine match about the lies and exploitation by the leaders of the Wms. Most of us know there are good people in the Wms, we are just very aware that they are being lied to, cheated of their money, and also of their futures. If the internet is so bad, then why does your church have websites and youtube videos up? Doesn’t that seem like a contradiction to you? It’s so very bad, well, unless WE are doing it?
Im from philippines a college stuident I was walking from school i will go home at that time there is also a girl (korean) of that church who invited me yesterday and i come and listen to her we had a bible study after that she get my number and ask if im free for tomorrow i said YES and i came back after that day and after we had a bible study again she encouraging me to be BAPTIZE in their church so it means im not allowed anymore to go in the other church such as in the catholic church.So i tell her that im not yet prepared i’ll just come back and i will tell to her if im ready and willingly to be baptize Im really confuse right now because I am partially believe to them and I am 95% believing in catholic.
What should i do?
that was what i wrote a while ago
But NOW I WILL NOT MEET THEM ANYMORE NOW MY MIND WAS CLEARED ABOUT THEM BECAUSE I WAS TOO CONFUSE ABOUT THEM CAUSE EVERYTIME IM IN THEIR CHURCH I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGH THE PEOPLE THERE ARE FRIENDLY AND NICE .
GOOD THING IS I DONT ACCEPT TO BE BAPTIZED. đ YEAHHH IM SO HAPPY :))) GOD BLESS US AND BEWARE OF THE CULT GROUP :)Yeheyyy
Yes, that is their procedure. Expect to be baptized right away. They believe we should be baptized immediately. Also in their culture they are very eager people. Expect to be called and asked to return often. Its cultural. You cannot be both catholic and wms member. You’ll have to choose one side. Isnt the catholic church a little satanic anyways? Lol.
Can anyone tell me why Missionary Ron left WMS? What was his turning point exactly? Did he stopping believing in mother? Was he spiritually weighed down? I suppose he would be the best person to answer this…
Did you not watch the video? I think Ron stayed in this group way too long! He should have seen the destructive and deceptive practices of the WMSCOG relatively early and figured out that this group is NOT lead by God! The other thing that is really obvious is that Jesus NEVER taught the doctrine or teachings of the WMSCOG therefore the WMSCOG is a strange doctrine and should NOT be belived at all.
I understand what you have gone through. I’m trying to see for myself the truth within the church. The church is very cultural. The way is very South Korean. The group well being is above the individual. If you are suffering, its below the group, its less important. The zion is under control of its overseer. The group is taken care of, not the individual. Many, many people leave my zion. Jesus said to Peter “feed my sheep.” But I know the sheep in zion are not properly fed. Too many leave and it is to the loss of the church. The individuals in leadership seem not to understand. Their view is very narrow. The mindset is very narrow. They care too much about the group. But its the individuals who make the group.
Isaiah 2:3 says : Many peoples will come and say; come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths. The law will go of Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle many disputes for many peoples.
Are disputes settled for many peoples? No. Backs are turned. Many people leave. Is it not true? I believe members in Zion do not settle disputes. Something is wrong if a 12 year dedicated member leaves over a small dispute. Maybe prophecy is not be fulfilled. Will christ come and remove them and the lampstand of the WMSCOG as prophesied in revelation 2:5? Im afraid I will not answer this question. đ
I’ll give a short reply; they never were a lampstand and there is nothing except the prophesy of false prophets claiming to be God that fits the WMSCOG. The Bible tells us to avoid them and don’t believe them.
T H. WMS believes they are the prophetical church of Ephesus. Its similar to SDA believing they are the prophetical church of Laodicea. Thats why I brought it up. I believe the prophecy fits with them. The NKJV describes the church of Ephesus as the loveless church. To me it fits. Hearing the testimony of ex members bothers me. Quite loveless. Not much i can do except for posting here. WMS has people who check these sites. My message should get though.
I agree on some points. Despite their preachings about “love” they don’t know what love is. As for them representing any kind of wishful thinking they are not any kind of Christian church. They can wish and hope they are one but their own doctrine and teachings prohibit them from the Christian faith. They invalidate themselves.
The same thing happened with my girl friend here in India I am going to take police action against that prostitute Jahng Jil Jah for misleading young girls she is prostitute as per Bible’s saying
Thank you for sharing, I had been to church many times with my girlfriend who now left me due to church. I am from India and my name is yogesh, I am Hindu brahmin. The way in which they preach affects especially to Christians others can not relate to it and can really point that they are aggressively marketing.
I got that Saturday should be Sabbath that must be correct, one should not wear cross that is also true. Passover and other things which Jesus followed no other church follows they told that also sounded ok to me but i couldn’t relate myself to Passover, as i believe if you are good person you will go heaven any formality like Passover is just foolishness
They demand so much time and separate you from your loved ones, they don’t even give you time to think or listen what you are doing is right or wrong it is gobbels theory that a lie told again again seems to be truth, and you can not go away from that.
please those who are from WMSCOG stop explaining no need they are blind just go and preach that is Gods will that we save the world there is no other church that preaches the message day and night like us.
Ahh, the blind leading the blind. You’re right though, no one is deceiving quite like your group. There’s nothing new under the sun just different variations of the original deception. Your truth is not in us because our eyes are open. They are much like a parachute. There only effective when there open. Wake up, open your eyes, and free yourself from this group. There’s a lot of free information in this website and lots of people who are willing to help you. We cannot do it for you but we certainly can help. If you’re not willing to come out of the WMSCOG then at least be able to prove us wrong! By the way, just saying we’re wrong doesn’t work! Truth stands on its own! I dare you to prove us wrong with truth and reality!
My I ask what church you go to ? What is Jesus new name you pray to ? Im sure you went to the spirit and Bride in Rev 22:17 and received the water of life ! Now since you did give me all the correct interpretation of the Bible ! Were is your root of David To come in the last days and give us the right interpretation and unseal the Scriptures Rev 5 : 1-5 . Reply when you have the answers ! God bless you ! You guys know the Bible like the back of your hands going against Christ and don’t even know it ! Wow Go to Zion and learn fully before you make a webpage Trying to discredit the church , didn’t Paul persecute Jesus Hard only until God changed his heart he realized Jesus was actually God in the flesh . Im sure he had a lot of reason why he didn’t believe Jesus was God. But didn’t take away that he was actually God ! The people focused on the family of Christ and his life before The appointed time him revealing who he actually was ! Jesus lived a normal human life before that appointed time ! Same now with Father, Mother! They are God !
You are a lot ignorant. Poor guy. In the whole Bible you never see that the new name is Ahnsahnghong or Zahng Gil Jah. Jesus said accordingly to that dream of John, I will come with a “NEW NAME”.Period. So until he is not coming yet that new name remains a “NEW NAME” and when he will be here already he will let people know what is that new name if indeed that verse of a dreamt revelation comes true. Jesus did not say that he is coming with a new name ahnsahnghong. You see, that verse actually is the primary reason why there are so many people claiming to be the Christ. But, Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be a christ or god, it’s you and WMSCOG given him the title after his death. You’re very funny people.
Remco9519, the bible is sealed with seven seals my friend, Only the children of God and seeds of Abraham and ones with an open heart to recognize Christ can truly see, Why would God say plainly the new name????? If he did this everybody on the Earth would receive salvation because we would all know, Gods gives free will yes??? So then a love found is much greater than a love forced, searching for the truth is much more greater than a love inherited in Man’s word, I used to be a Catholic and very strong even marking my body with bible verses, not saying much but I was dedicated to follow Jesus Christ, I have followed him so much that he lead me straight to the truth with an open and willing mind heart and soul, ignorance is of the devil, I’m open to all, but if you can prove the spirit and the bride wrong I’ll follow you, we preach 24/7 because being with God is not a part time job, it’s a thankful and giving life, I’ve lost so much of my physical worldly things after I have been in he truth, thanks to mother and father my treasures are in heaven along with my heart, now gaining a spiritual and heavenly family, we are not fake as some of the people have said, we are equal to all of you as humans, God bless all of you, but please, 1.1 million people were of Israel in the time of Jesus, 12 of which believed, let’s be real here, the pherocies acted just as all others in faith do, please stop rejecting Christ, destroy doubt and worldly teachings and watch how your life changes, I love you all brothers and sisters, please come to the truth, if not, then so be it, I’ll pray for you, and also we will all see on judgement day, but Jesus explained that they testified about him so they will surely tresify about us, true believers, the ones able to recognize Christ, God is not difficult if you are accepting of him, please stop battling and go to a church for yourself and talk to a deacon or missionary or pasture, somebody great in faith and knowledge, it will all be from the bible, not from our worldly minds, this flesh will be gone soon, let’s stop caring so much for worldly things, and worldly religions, all you need to do a study on the book of Daniel and revelations, it’s very bold but obvious, Amen, hopefully see you in the next dimension , the Kingdom of Heaven! do not be lead astray
Tom, where are you? Is it taking this long for you to discuss my reply with the leadership of the WMSCOG? Do you have any kind of reply that is truly your own or does the truth have you stumped again? I imagine that the leadership might have talked you into not talking to us anymore. If this is true then it just proves the bondage that you are under. May God help you get free.
WOW Tom, I must have really hit you with some deep theological stuff! Two weeks without a response. I guess the answers you’re getting from the WMSCOG are not very good. Not good enough to post anyway. I hope this interaction is causing you to distance yourself from the WMSCOG and all of their lies. The “Truth” stands up to scrutiny lies don’t. This is why the WMSCOG doesn’t want you to see this website or to get into exchanges with us. They will lose you to the truth.
NO GOD OF MOTHER. That’s clear. You are trinitarian but having another Persona of God, MOTHER OF GOD?? So how will it be? three plus one? Like sales on market? C’mon.
And, if you believe Ahnsanghong is the Christ, then he is perfect and flawless. how about Ahnsanghong falsely predict two dates of end of the world (See wikipedia, for example)? Your claims are not on the bible, unless you interpret it -_-
World Mission Society Church of God follow everything what Jesus taught
They help many people whom need their help
Only we should say to them is thank you
This seems a little crazy. In the book of Timothy it states that those who do not take care of their families are worse that the heathens. I would also like to know where you are keeping the bodies of the disobedient children that you’ve put to death? You follow the Bible? I seriously doubt it! As for helping others, why do they do it? It appears that they do it to get public recognition. Don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing! Once again I say, “You follow the Bible? I seriously doubt it!”
Do you even follow the Bible? Do you even keep what Jesus has taught you to do? Didn’t Jesus tell to us to “help others” and “share God’s love”? Did you ever do it? đ
How could this dead man and his concubine when he was still alive became gods? People turning their worships to this man-made gods are either retarded or insane. All in this WMSCOG is foolishness and teaching members to turn away from the TRUE GOD. They are but committing the greatest sin against the Commandments. YOU dumb members, wake up and pack-up for you are but being lied to and deceived by koreans. GOD has no nationality and nobody seen HIM face to face.
This church has brainwashed their memebers to think God has chosen South Korea as their holy ground. They makes their people memorize prays in Korean and females to wear veils during service…like the hair on my head is sinful but men’s are not?!I witnessed their ceremony last night, the celebration of tubernacles and ran for my life.
Yes everything you say is very true. I learned about the feasts and according to them you have to keep all of them to be saved. Plus I don’t believe their versions of the Bible.
Yes you are absolutely right, the WMSCOG is a biggest cult on this earth. Remember the devil will be very powerful in the last days, the result is in front of us. This is the the that has destroyed OUR JESUS CHRIST.
Thank jesus christ that we see the light, The New Jerusalem is our heavenly home, lol not a person, this false claim has people sounding wacko thank you God Jesus Christ our savior for revealing this to us and avoiding extrwme punishment.
I knew Ron Ramos, we were both in the Reseda church, I was a member for 11 years and I can tell you exactly why he left, in the beginning we were told many things about Mother and Father, and one of those things were that she had Zero children, only to discover a decade later that she has TWO children which completely contradicts what we were taught. Another Reason is that we were also told that the world would end around 2012′ and as we got closer to 2012 they began changing their teachings to adjust to their lies which were boubling up little by little, we found that a bit alarming although we were to brainwashed and wrapped in fear to speak up on it, another reason is that Ahn sahng Hong never created the WMSCG, he died while still attending his Church called the NCPOG,I mean theres so much more to this story its like a whole chain of Lies just poured out, Ahn sahng Hong has 3 kids that blew us away, and its funny because Iwas there wjen they made a video about how everything that happened was prophecy it was seriously like a joke to me, it was like they made it worse with the video and could not explain why M and F had children iI was done, especially after they made us preach on Mothers day, that was ridiculous, and they justified that situation by quoting the bible, saying let the dead bury the dead. THANK God I got a second chance at life because I was not happy living fearful all tje time and guilty, The WMSCG teaches blasphemy, pray to Jesus and pray the Our Father Prayer thats why its in the bible
Thank you Former Memeber for your testimony. I appreciate your words of truth. I am at your position too. Except I havent reacted. I havent left. I am hiding the truth (I’ve realized) and keeping quiet. I haven’t made the step to leave just yet. Its good to know what is happening in other zions. Yes, expect to be told lies first, not the truth first. Surely the people will be judged after the last day. Really? They have been changing their teaching? My zion has been changing their teaching too. The group of Zions have been changing their teachings. Its what they don’t tell you. Just like what missionary says. Did you know we are celebrating the year of jubilee? 2012 is the past now. Its the year of Jubilee. Do you get my point? Lets be happy now.
Yes Issachar, You must react soon, I am glad to hear that you are thinking for yourself, I can tell you that Their is alot of things you should know before you keep attending, its funny because they the wmscg always quotes Gal 4:16 that the Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our Mother, …. right, but in Reality Apostle Paul was not talking about a women at all, he was talking about the city in Heaven that is made of Gold, also mentioned in the book of Revelations. And I know this because remember when Jesus said that he will be sitting at the right hand of Gods throne, right, well the.WmscG told us that the water of Life flowing from Gods throne in Rev. 19′ 20′ 21, they told us that the one.sitting on the throne was Mother because only a woman can give life, but that cannot be possible, because Jesus had already told us, that he will be seated at the right side of God the Father, I forgot which verse that is put im sure many can google that, yes so after I reasoned with a deacon about it, he took it to pastor and they stopped preaching that study, its literally gone and all their studies have been updated. Now they only keep reciting Gal 4:16 which is not speaking about an actual woman but The city of God, because if you read it carefully, it says more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband, which actually means that the New Jerusalem is not a person because only a city can contain more Children than a human being. Not sure if you follow, basically, Apostle Paul is talking about the City of God and compares it to Sarah Abrahams wife because we are the children of promise who belong to heaven and the City new Jerusalem is our home and represents our citizenship in Heaven. Its like if I, was trying to explain to someone where im from I would say that my Mother Is Los Angeles, right, and then all of the sudden people begin praying to Los Angeles and make a human as the Idol to call Los Angeles my Mother….. it Truly doesnt make any sense…. and to make matters worse, She is divorced, anyone who knows the bible knows that God Detest’s and is against divorce and the bible says that any woman who is divorced sins and no man can marry her or they both sin, so we know that God is perfect, and thats what makes God different from his enemy the Devil, God has laws and Morals which reveal his true devine nature, because we know that Lies come from the devil so anything that is built on a lie cannot stand, a kingdom cannot stand when it is divided amongst itself, God does not change, and God is not a mystery as quoted in the bible, Brother! There is so much more and its not likely that they will answer you with an honest answer, so keep on researching on your own because God is seperating the wicked from the righteous and we can not recieve blessings while worshipping false idols, I will Pray tjat you my dear friend see the.Entirety of this Group and leave these wolvea in sheeps clothing! I am right here, any questions I will be happy to answer, God Bless your soul and continue to pray my Brother, these people will be judjed.
“I want to know what love is, I want (wmscog) to show me” But not. They are the loveless church. According to scripture love fulfills the law of god. I think love is very foreign to some of them. Its like speaking a new language. Do you remember when Kim Jong Un of North Korea created a lie, an appearance to the country that North Korea was in the World cup. They showed a video and it was in the news, and what not. The North Korean leaders had the country believe they were winning games and going towards the final. Now its part of appearances and korean culture. Could South Korea do the same? Are they capable? Possibly? Lies are completely okay in korea if the means (lies) justify the ends.
Very truly I tell you, Korea is one country, North and South. But divided. This division goes to the very mindset of the people and culture. You’ll receive both lies and truth from the church. You’ll receive their division. Although this site is focused on the negative parts of this church, there is good in the church.
Have you seen the website?, “examining steve hassan” Its a copy and repeat of this site. Very korean and all biased comments from controlled members. Although there is much slander on this site ( examiningthewmscog) there is also truth in here.
I am a member and I want to think outside the group (outside the box). Paul says be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.
I have to strongly disagree with you about this. There are good people in this group but the whole of the group is bad. The good that is done by the WMSCOG is done for very selfish reasons although the people participating in the good acts I like to think are doing it with a good intention. People can do these good things without this group of selfish individuals motivating them to do it. I am not a member and I don’t want you to just think outside of the WMSCOG box I want you to become free of their box. This is a form of modern day slavery. It’s much more dangerous though because it traps a persons mind into thinking that some group has all of the answers and must be followed without question. This very idea goes against what the Bible teaches as does the doctrine of the WMSCOG. Please stop being blind. Think outside of the box and get outside of the box. Have you ever noticed that the people that truly leave the WMSCOG never go back? They learn the truth of the WMSCOG and when they get free of it they never want to be enslaved by it again.
T H, I am on this site because I am doing some research on my own. Just like the title says. This is a present member’s story… I understand what you have written. You want me out? You dont know me. Perhaps I enjoy being controlled by the title holders, and that I like to speak their words and act the way they dictate for appearances to the newer members. Surely I am not trapped and cannot get out.
But all kidding aside, đ
I want to get to the bottom of this group. I want to know more. T H you are on the outside looking in. I believe I have an advantage. For a pastor to control a member to have an abortion is extremely wrong. Their appearances should not have priority over real life. At my locale I have not witnessed such heinous control. That needs to be corrected immediately. Why does that happen? Whats the reason. Members should ask questions.
There is some good. The church is right on some levels. but also wrong on other levels. Its their division they have. Lies and truth, wrong and right. Its like the the dmz between north korea and south korea.
Surely I am not trapped like the people in North Korea. But the culture on the inside of the grouo is present with WMSCOG. We are dealing with a cultural phenomenon I believe. But it appears to be cult charcteristics. Thoughts?
How the f#%@ did you guys fall for this lol? Hahaha… I’m sorry, but how do people fall for this crap?
Then again, I suppose I should feel lucky that my circumstances are such that I didn’t have the experiences that would lead me to these ‘places’… For example, I was always extremely curious about the world, always asking questions, and having access to youtube/google made the world of a difference when it came to finding out that god doesn’t exist/religion is bullshit and it poisons everything(christopher hitchens), and I suppose that my parents weren’t terribly religious, although I was raised as a muslim. But seriously… I need to do more research on this. How do people fall for this crap?
Anyways, congratulations on getting out and helping others make a difference. I mean, if the money truly goes to ‘helping’ there shouldn’t be any worries about releasing a financial statement should there? The problem is it’s going to ‘mcmansions’ and bentlys while innocent money struggling people are supporting this while thinking it’s going to their internal salvation… It’s horrible, horrible, horrible…and I’m glad, again, people like you are doing something about it.
Commenters please move this conversation to the forum so that it will be easier for all to follow and participate. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
My thoughts are that if you’re going to get to the bottom of this group then you are going to have to spend some serious time away from it! The thought process you’re portraying here, your idea of what seems logical, the way you’re defending this group all points to the fact you’re being controlled therefore enslaved. You cannot do what you say you’re trying to do while you’re under their influence. Other places in this forum it’s been explained like this; If lies are like poison, how much poison inside of something that’s supposed to be good for you (a glass of water for example) would it take to kill a person? My understanding is that the amount is not very much and even if you looked at the glass of water you wouldn’t even notice it was in there. I am on the outside witnessing the destructive force of the poison. As things are right now you’re telling me how it’s not so bad, give it a chance, I want to see how much I can take. Brother, I wish I could scream it to you threw a megaphone, GET OUT! You’re not going to realize the bigger picture until you are out from under the influence of it. You say it’s possible that you like to be led and controlled then how about joining a political party? It’s even possible that some good could come out of something like that. You’re just killing yourself right now. Please look at what I’m saying here and at least give yourself some time away from this group so you can clear your head and make a better and more informed decision.
Spiritual marriage?. so that may mean no intercourse between their flesh? Foolish lunatic WMSCOG people inventing tons of lies upon lies. Of any simplest question asked, they can never give any straight forward answer which can stand logic and reason and even if it’s so confirmed that their brains are empty, they still pretend to know everything and accordingly every question they can answer. They say, “is it because ASH is dead and that renders him not qualifying as christ?” Well, they add, “Jesus was not accepted before 2000 years ago but only accepted by the people later times” So they reiterate that ASH should also be acknowledge after 2000 years? Ha Ha Ha!!! What kind of thinking is that? Jesus eversince he was born was already accepted by majority of people as he performed lots of miracles with God’s permission. It were only the Pharisees and Saducees who were his enemies.
What more proof you need for you to believe. There’s already in this site the translation of the interview including that of the names of the family of ahnsahnghong marked in his tomb and still you don’t believe. Show then to us any marriage contract of ahnsahnghong and your mother god zahng gil ja if they were really married as per your WMSCOG records. All of you members of WMSCOG are lied to and deceived by love bombing of your deacons and pastors. Aren’t you all not ashamed in worshiping false gods which makes you pagans? All proofs are here already and one more thing WMSCOG was branded as a cult by the South Korean government and this thing also you don’t beleive? WMSCOG makes you dumb and foolish. Don’t you feel it?
I am a living, breathing testament that the WMSCOG is an organization that persuades loved ones to loss touch with their close spouse, or close family members. My husband was lost to the WMSCOG. PLEASE stay far away from this organization. We had a loving marriage. We were happy and newly married, just 2 years in. My husband was contacted at work by two Korean woman and had asked us if we had heard of a “heavenly mother.” My husband had many meetings with these woman and other people from the cult EVERY DAY for the next 7 days… they bombarded him. Until a couple weeks later he told me that he had been meeting with them and had wanted to get baptized. I was very surprised because he was attending our shared church with me regularly, acting as if everything was normal… 4 months later he finally decided to admit that he had converted to WMSCOG anyways even though we had decided together on him taking his time to investigate farther… the members pushed him to do it– aided and abetted him in lying to me– his own wife. He became completely obsessed with it giving up every bit of family time for a meeting or some get-together that always seemed to run his life. Not only that– but he turned on me and scoffed at me and laughed at me when I was in tears when I tried to share a spiritual relationship with him, a strong one we once had… I lost my best friend. I hope someday he will come home. We miss him, the old him, one not completely consumed with trying to prove to everyone that this destructive cult is good. I miss him so much.
It was your husband who wronged his soul. Satan is a deceiver yet he himself is not accountable over the choice man make to himself, though WMSCOG was use by Satan as instrument for deception. We human beings should always keep in mind and be on guard against our arch enemy for eversince the beginning, this chief of the Jinns already was successful in deceiving our parents Adam & Eve, and he vowed to GOD his Creator that he will attack man in front, at back, at his sides, from above and below him, and those who fall to his traps, they’ll certain surely suffer in the life hereafter. WMSCOG and the many cults are just his agents.
Would it be possible for you to go to the forum and send me a private message? I have been dealing with this mind control group for over five years now, and know many people with similar stories. I am so sorry this happened to you. It is the same story over and over with this group.
Mike, what “proof” are you talking about? The Bible tells us that Satan will do these things but I hope you are not using those scriptures as your “proof”. We have spent years now testing the doctrine and studies of the WMSCOG and the proof of much of this effort is in this website. We completely deny that Ahn and/or Zahng/Chang/Chung, or whatever other alias she has gone by, are God. Please be much more open and obvious with any “proof” that you think you are bringing here. Thank you.
The atheists deny the existence of GOD. WMSCOG deny the true GOD but they have their false gods. WSMSCOG is just one instrument of SATAN to carry on his lies and deceptions. Worshiping a dead and even a living person is evil in the sight of GOD – I mean the true GOD, the Creator of everything. Who then is being used by Satan? The Atheists just don’t believe in GOD, while WMSCOG have even more worst crime for ejecting GOD from His Throne and replaced Him with their invention.
Are you not the one who was been a instrument by satan? Don’t do this kind of comments for you and all of the people using this site that saying World Mission Society Church Of GOD is a cult and a merely instrument by satan. I already seen the truth, my eyes had been deeply opened about the truth there will be no need of proofs if you do believe and think beyond your physical life. If the World Mission Society Church Of GOD is a cult and an instrument by satan? How do possibly satan wants us to remember again the things he destroyed thousands of years ago for us not to recognize GOD the Father and God the Mother and fall again to his deceptions. I hope you enter the World Mission Society Church Of GOD and study it by yourself and not by consulting this kind of website and believe those people saying about this religion and I’m sure that you will know the truth. May heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother guides you to the true way. I know what will you reply to my comment but I’m telling you for one last moment that I will not deceived by you nor Satan’s doings..
I don’t remember Jesus EVER teaching us about a god the mother. Please show me where to find these teachings. While you are at it show us your research that “proves” that Satan did away with god the mother so that we did not remember. Your eyes have been deeply opened (whatever that means) and thinking about God requires thinking outside of our physical life. If you imagine that you are so enlightened above us then I encourage you to please share out of your extensive knowledge. I prefer to follow the ONE TRUE GOD of the BIBLE.
Boy I’m looking forward to your comment based on your statement…”I know what will you reply to my comment”.
There is no need for me to show proofs, we always insist proofs for us to believe because we must seen it in our own physical eyes but like I said if you believe and think beyond your physical life there is no need for you to have proofs because you already seen it with your spiritual eye. Like I said you will not agree to my comment its not because you don’t believe it’s because you really don’t want to believe.There is no need for me to justify what I said its up to you.
You don’t need any kind of proof to believe in something? What kind of misguided lie is this? I’ve seen animals being lead around by a ring in their nose that have deeper thought processes than this. You don’t need proof and I don’t have to provide any in order to get you to believe in something? Wake up Mike or you are going to waste your entire life being used by whoever comes up with the next creative story. On second thought, maybe you need to stay right where you’re at because if this is in fact your veiwpoint you will not be able to survive in the world that God created. Good luck but I hope you don’t really believe what you wrote above. I’ll keep asking for the proof and the truth that is always revealed both spiritually and physically. I think you’ve chosen a cowards approach to life.
What you guys really mentioning here in this kind of site is not the things they thought us so meaning all the evidences presented here is not and will not always be true. Your just doing it for a reason and that reason is not good.
Brother Mike was bombarded with lots of indoctrination and love bombing. My personal advise my dear friend, read the bible starting from the first page and sequencely up to the last page getting what is the theme behind each book you finished reading. Reading the Bible requires keen understanding and logic standing to reason. You’ll come to know creation, who’s behind creation, who is he and what he wants for his creation to follow to qualify for his plan – and what is that plan? PARADISE and HELL. All of us will experience death that we will be raised up again resurrected not reincarnated on the Day of Judgement. We are and will all go back to HIM to face judgement, we like it or not. In the second life, death will be no more, we all live but where we gon’na be depends entirely from our doings and have had undertaken here on earth while we are in our first life. By cherry picking the Bible, one will not be able to grasp the history of GOD and humankind. Make your choice brother, if your mind and heart finds WMSCOG is your final conviction as you believe them, nobody can pull you out from their hold if you yourself holds to them.
My fiancee and I attended it for about two week, one sister slipped up during a study with my fiancee and said its shameful for a girl to be in a relationship. I had doubts about the whole 3rd day worship, and didnt believe I would go to hell if I missed a Sabbath service but still prayed at home.My fiancee and I both left and we still happily together. Thanks for sharing cause we would have had our love destroyed by these people as well if we had not found out early.
Congratulations Feliz, you and your fiancee have certain higher IQ’s than others who willingly and ignorantly submitted themselves to lies and deceptions of this WMSCOG which is kinda very destructive organization. In behalf of the Admin of this site and the members of the forum, we wish you good luck. GOD BLESS YOU BOTH.
These are scare tactics that all cults use in order to have you be obedient. Jesus is all you need for salvation, a true relationship with Him, repentance, and obedience to His Word. Not an organization who manipulates their members. Thanks for your story!
Mike, are you in the Philippines? That would be my guess, I would be interested in knowing if I am right. Anyhow, I know you are upset with people for posting freely in a place where your “church” cannot remove the comments. If WMSCOG could, they would have removed this site long ago. Any organization of that mentality can be counted on to be a tyranny if given too much power. Think about it… if they had power to punish in any way they pleased, then do you really think they would stop at lawsuits and comment removal? Think about it…. You should feel lucky that we are here defending freedom to post against this organization at a very minimum, even if you do not agree with us. If COG ran the world, there would be no freedom. Even publicly disagreeing would be forbidden. I am not worried about you. Once you get older and less important to these people, then you will be treated differently and you will see what I am talking about. Just as long as you “keep your head in all situations”, you will leave on your own.
WMSCOG is excellent in deliberate misinterpretation and deliberate distortion of facts and events. Deceptive organizations as WMSCOG are happy in making lies after lies and upon lies.
Jn. 5:31-“if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony would not be valid.” …… Of course Father didn’t say He wash Christ. But though having eyes you do not see. Wake up we are in a spiritual war and you’re in danger of blasphemy. Woe to you who find yourselves wisewise and cannot guide you or yourselves to understanding. You don’t even realize you’re fulfilling the prophecy of those who go against God. Acts 5:38-39. You’re going to regret it. Don’t ignore this message.
You have a big problem. Big indeed that you people of WMSCOG are the one making blasphemy then you point to somebody else. You’re too ignorant of the Bible. You know how to say “have eyes but you do not see”, and may I add “have ears but you don’t hear”. My advise is that you read the Scriptures intelligently from the first page to the last page in sequence. By that you’ll come to know who is liar. I pity you so much because you are ignorant and just depending on WMSCOG your knowledge of the Bible. Not a single thing in the Bible WMSCOG is following. If you prefer to stay with this group, mark my world, you’ll find yourself in hellfire in the life hereafter. Not anyone among you in WMSCOG is entitled to salvation. You’re worshiping people like you who you appointed as gods and they cannot even create a fly man. Oh man, what a filthy thing you’re doing.
But the scriptures DON’T actually speak of Christ coming again, as WMS claims. Thats like sayimg, “Many didnt recognize that Martin Luther King came to bring justice his first time.” Does that men he is coming, to be born and fight for Civil rights again?
John 5:31 is about John the Baptist witnessing about Jesus! What kind of twisted garbage are you trying to pull here! You want to try and take Johns unwillingness to proclaim himself as anything and try and use that as proof for why Ahn never said he was God? I can smell the stench from over here! Jesus made some very profound claims to His divinity and He did so because He is God. Ahn never made his own claim because he believed in Jesus and did not believe that he was Jesus. truth grabber, you are letting the blind lead you while you yourself are blind. Take some time away from this group. Focus on Gods Word and what IT says not what anyone else would try and tell you it says. It’s no great mystery as to why when people step away from this group and clear their heads they never return back to the vomit of the WMSCOG.
Truth Grabber doesn’t even know that Jesus fulfilled Melchezedek’s condition “without genealogy”, even though it is clearly written that Jesus DID fulfill this condition. That means the whole belief system is incorrect, right Truth Grabber? Since one part is falsehood, then the whole thing becomes false. After 7 years in that place, I know for a fact they teach such a thing. But you keep giving them your time and money anyway. Korea is befitting greatly from your intentionally misguided heart. I feel bad for people like us, because eventually you will realize, just as I did… it was almost all for naught. Keep your head in all situations, and you will see it all by yourself.
You don’t know about the prophecies so just shut up all that slandering the WMSCOG. I’m very feel sorry about you guys, I wish that you can repent.Now I can see were will you end up if you will continue your evil plans.
You poor guy, don’t die while in WMSCOG for you will land in hell if you do. You’re doing the greatest sin against the commandment of GOD. You even replace him with korean gods ha. You are totally misled because you are too ignorant. Sorry if this hurts you but wake up my good friend before WMSCOG totally ruin your life. Your korean gods don’t even know english. How could they be gods. Wake up man, wake up. Who needs to repent? Not us, it’s you and your group.
I don’t know why everyone is being so condescending toward each other. I don’t believe God wants us to act like this. I don’t believe in wmscog teachings at all. i actually lost my long time girlfriend to this place. But the word of God can not be force on someone who is not willing to accept it. the wmscog doctrine is so strong that they continue to go back to it whenever you question them. the best thing that you can do is just keep feeding them the bible to show them what’s wrong with what they are saying and pray that they eventually see the truth. Don’t say they are going to burn in hell fire because you are not God. you never know what the future holds for any man or woman. Jesus gives everyone a chance to accept him for salvation. the big thing that keeps people in wmscog is that they say that they are persecuted for what they believe in so they think that it makes what they say true. If you use the word of God then that’s enough evidence and then they can not say your talking down to them or persecuting them. God bless everyone. I love everyone in wmscog and i will pray for you all to come back to jesus christ.
So in revaluations the bible speaks that no one can interpret the bible correctly only the root of david meaning 2nd coming Christ. So if you trying to understand the bible you need to know the spiritual root of David thats in the last days. He is the only one with the correct interpretation. The bible is sealed. That root of David came and interpreted the bible correctly explaining we have a spiritual Mother. Why would God the Father want to be called Father wothout a mother being involved. But it was an appointed time for her to be reveled, just like everything in the bible . So when Chris came the second time and said No spiritual mother it wasnt time for her to be revealed , he never said a church is mother. Think what church keeps God commanments? Such as Sabbath day , Passover, all the feast of God ? Those qho dont practice man made traditions such as Christmas, easter, Halloween. Paganism! Who sets up a cross in there churches witch is an idol ! Who worships God on sunday. Who sanctified sunday service, no one did . God sanctified saturday,’Sabbath’ 7 day of the week . Who revealed all this in one church . Saten distorts the scriptures! As prophesied! God to bring it all back in the last days witch is happening as we speak!
Tom, you have made assumptions here! The Bible speaks that the root of David will be able to teach us the meaning of Gods Word. The one who did this was Jesus! Not the second or third coming of Jesus. Even the WMSCOG teaches that Jesus is God. God came down to Earth to reestablish a relationship with mankind. In order for Him to do this He felt that we needed to understand what He meant by His words. At the time it was taught that we should not commit murder but Jesus taught us what He really meant when He said that if you hate someone in your heart then you have committed murder against them. This is only one example of how Jesus, the root of David, interpreted the Bible in a way that we did not understand. Ahn has no lineage to David or even to the Jewish people for that matter. God made the rules by which we would recognize Him and for anyone or any group to twist and bend those rules to try to fit what they want to believe is just plain wrong! I have only addressed your first assumption but I know for a fact that this is not even yours. You have been taught this and convinced of it by others just like you. God did not reveal this to you in any way shape or form! The Bible is NOT sealed off from us. God reveals things in His own timing. Anyone can read a set of scriptures and understand it as it is written and then at a future time reread the same scriptures and God will show us something different about it. For a great example of this got to the forum and find “What really happened at the last Passover.” It is awesome! Your alternative is to remain trapped in the false teachings and doctrines of the WMSCOG. There is so much more I could dispute about your post but if you take the time to read some of the other forum post you will find that everything you have mentioned has been discussed many times and pretty thouroughly. The truth stands on its own and endures through any scrutiny. The teachings of the WMSCOG has too many flaws to be the truth much less Gods Word. Time for you to do some real research on your own.
I am really sorry you had to go through that. I too left in 2012 and it has been hard for me to trust again, especially when it comes to spiritual matters and deity. My former group leader in the church once said to me when I was a new member “do you know how we can see a member’s faith? Through tithe”. None of it made any sense to until I left the church. They use emotive language to manipulate a person into the church and even to stay in. I too found lots of information on the internet against the church in my early days of being a member, and instead of leaving the church and breaking all form of contact with its members, I unfortunately went back to the Pastor for answers only to be fed with more lies. I am really grateful to have eventually left the cult, even though some scars left by it may never fully heal. Thank you for sharing your story and I can only hope that through it, more people will realize how much of a mind-control cult the wmscog really is.
They are a cult plain and simply they twist bible verses to fit their own doctrines and believe a Korean Buddhist turn seventh day Adventist and then started a church in 1964 and died in 1985 or 1986 was the reincarnation of Jesus this is why they call him christ ahnsahnkong and his wife is a female goddess but the bible says the new Jerusalem is the kingdom that God will establish when he returns not a person and the bible clearly refutes reincarnation and the New Testament does not hold Christians to be under the cerominial law of keeping the 7 holy days of the Old Testament nor the levitcal dietary law we are under grace not slaves of the law and also to believe such nonsense as ahnsahnkong as the reincarnation of Jesus christ is to say that jesus who died for are sins failed this is the same doctrine the moonies present when they say son young moon and his wife are the holy family and did what Jesus was suppose to do get married and have kids or some crazy belief like that I suggest anyone stay the heck away from thier and ridgewood Christians hold education classes to better teach thier members the dangers of the world mission society of God and thier dangerous doctrines
Perhaps WMSCOG had shown you some videos or photos where zahng gil jah fetching water and giving to a number of people to drink and she already became god. My friend, did you ever read the story of the life of Mother Theresa? She’s more kind in attending problems of people. She personally attending the needs of the sick, comfort them, give them medicines and treatment. In this world she was hailed and praise not as god but a dear mother. Really, you’re lost. You’re mother god deceives many and she is now sick or dying or already dead. How she became god is an invention or idea created by opportunists like her and her group, the WMSCOG.
Friend!!
A man from the east was fulfilled by Cyrus. Does it mean that there should be no more fulfilment? Revelation and Isiah say that a man from the east should appear in the last days to release spiritual Israelites from the spiritual Babylon.
Likewise, Christ Ahnsahnghong said that Rev 22:17 Spirit and the Bride will appear before the Sabbath rest(Spiring of Water of Life Ch.24, 35)
and also in The Law of Moses and the Law of Christ Ch.6.
I hope you do not slander what you do not know exactly
@Leigh — Where in the Bible you find the name Ahnsahnghong????? and Zang-Gil-Ja. You invent so many many many things and you become a worshiper of your own invention. If your conviction is to remain with WMSCOG, so be it. That’s your choice. I’m only giving you a piece of enlightenment that you are worshiping people or persons like you and that is the greatest sin GOD will never never forgive.
Friend!
That kind of not-logical shouting would not help anything. What you say is totally out of the context and point.
The point is “did Christ Ahnsahnghong say Rev22:17 take place only after the Sabbath Rest or before and after the Sabbath Rest”
I wish no body let Satan tempt you to think like this;
“… Christ Ahnsahnghong said that Rev22:17 take place after the Sabbath Rest…. but the church said that it’s happening already….? who’s right? the church fetched Father’s words???”
The poster seems that he/she wants to say that Rev22 should take place after 1000-years rest (The Sabbath Rest), not before it, quoting Christ Ahnsahnghong’s interpretation.
Of course the poster looks like to slander that what WMSCOG teach about the bride of Rev 22:17 as God the Mother in the flesh does not seem to be supported by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Then what about this:
Christ Ahnsahnghong said that Rev 22:17 Spirit and the Bride will appear before the Sabbath rest(Spiring of Water of Life Ch.24, 35) and also in The Law of Moses and the Law of Christ Ch.6.
Think about the prophecy of ‘the one from the east’!!
The prophecies of the bible do not fulfill only once
Paul&David says
@Leigh the fact that Cyrus fulfilled the coming from the east prophecy should make you think.
Cyrus was King of Persia – Which is now called Iran. This is literally Far east from both Jerusalem and Patmos Islands.
What makes wmscog sure that Far east has now become S.Korea? The Answer is nothing. They just assume that the prophecy of King Cyrus needs to be fulfilled again and that far east must now be some other place different from Persia/Iran.
There is no verse in the bible that says a man must come from the east again to save spiritual Israel. In fact there is no such word as Spiritual Israel in the bible. Paul proves that there in no such thing as spiritual Israel when he makes a distinction between the natural roots (Israel) and grafted roots in Romans. The natural roots will always be there and can at any time replace the grafted roots (Gentiles like you and I) according to Paul.
And no the point isn’t that Ahn said that Rev 22:17 would take place after Sabbath rest or not. Nice try. But As the title of the article reads; the point is whether Ahn thought new Jerusalem was a woman or city.
He clearly thought New Jerusalem was a City, not a woman, that would appear after the end of the world. At least according to his actual recorded sermon. What? Did you think wmscog were the only ones with recordings of Ahn? You need to deal with this information head-on and not divert and try to change the topic.
This Audio recoding is consistent with a lot of Ahnsanghong’s teachings. For example, he taught that the idea of god the mother is delusional (unchanging truth of his church), he wrote that the last eve is actually the church/ God’s people ( Visitors from the Angelic World) – clearly not Janh jil jah.
Before you try to discern what time – you need to first establish what the Bride/ New Jerusalem is according to Ahnsanghong.
@remco915 hmm. I would like to correct your comment. You are really out of context here. You do believe in Jesus right? Jesus Christ comes on this earth in the Flesh, am I right? Then now why are you saying that we are believing in God in the Flesh? Are you not believing in God in the Flesh? Please do not slander us for you don’t know what is the Prophecies of the Bible was fulfilled by God the Mother Zahng Gil Jah. Actually, She Fulfilled everything, secretly. You know why? Only TRUE GOD’S PEOPLE will know her, because She is a mystery that made known only to the TRUE GOD’S PEOPLE. (c.f. Col 1:26, Mt 13:11, Gal 4:26[ISV]). I really pray to God Ahnsahnghong that you will be save in this dark and sinful world.
Paul&David says
Hahaha the way you wrote she fulfilled everything secretly as if Jesus never warned us against false christs who come secretly.
And the bible already told us the Great Mystery since the foundation of the Earth is Jesus Christ – so no thank you – we don’t need you new secret Mystery you are trying to sell us.
It really doesn’t matter what church I go to however I can tell you that it is a non-denominational church. I decided many years ago that I did not want to be a part of the whole man made divisions that the different denominations represent. I don’t believe that God came to Earth, died on the cross, and came back to life in order to form a denomination. What is Jesus new name? You need to read this section of the Bible in its entirety. It’s very clear that the stone with the new name on it is given to those who overcome. Not knowing the entirety of Gods mind as some others assume to I have come to the understanding that Jesus gives the stones and prior to God coming to Earth and doing what He did for us there was no Christ. Because at that time there was no Christ that means that there were no followers of Christ prior to Jesus. It seems like the new name that no one knew until that moment was Christian ie followers of Christ. I have received the water of life when I received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and the Holy Spirit entered me. Where is my Root of David? You really need to read the Bible! I have included all of Rev. 5 below so you can read it for yourself. I’m not here to tell you what you should believe. Your group does that too you already! By the way, I don’t like how you try and turn things around. “Now since you did give me all the correct interpretation of the Bible!” These are YOUR words and once again you have made a very invalid assumption. Here’s another invalid assumption quoted directly from you, ”
You guys know the Bible like the back of your hands going against Christ and donât even know it!” While your group continues to discredit itself and prove that they are one of the false self proclaimed church’s you are being lead down the path to Hell. What’s worse is that they are teaching you to bring others the same way.
Revelation 5 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Lamb Takes the Scroll
5 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, âWho is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?â 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read[a] the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, âDo not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose[b] its seven seals.â
6 And I looked, and behold,[c] in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
âYou are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us[d] kings[e] and priests to our God;
And we[f] shall reign on the earth.â
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
âWorthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!â
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
âBlessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!â[g]
14 Then the four living creatures said, âAmen!â And the twenty-four[h] elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.[i
I’m going to finish this by asking, “Did you really quote the part of the Bible where Saul was converted?” This is one of the great miracles of Jesus! Saul encounters Jesus, is blinded, comes to a realization of Christ, regains his sight, is filled with the Holy Spirit, and becomes one of the most influential supporters of Jesus as the Christ. Ahn didn’t do anything except preach that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. The Bible clearly sets the conditions for the second coming of Jesus Christ and I’m very happy to say that Ahn doesn’t fit the bill! Ahn’s not God and he never claimed to be. Ahn not being God means that even if he did say there’s a god the mother it doesn’t matter. God NEVER reveled it, Jesus NEVER taught it, and Gods Word doesn’t support it. I’m sorry but you’re worshipping false gods that need to be crushed before the one true God. The WMSCOG’s man made gods have NO power or authority on Earth or in Heaven.
By the way, you missed with this statement as well. “Jesus lived a normal human life before that appointed time!” The Word of God teaches us that He lived a perfect life. That’s hardly what anyone should call NORMAL. I look forward to your reply!
We have been trying to find that out for months now. There is an article supposedly from a Korean newspaper that said she died back in June or July. No one has been able to really find out if she is still alive or in fact dead. It’s going to be mildly interesting to see the excuse that the WMSCOG comes up with when she does officially pass away.
i know a person in this group who says that none of these teachings are true…..and now they have an answer for all of the things on your site…if you can get in touch with new members a lot has changed so i advise you to update the site because the info has become more convoluted in the past three years
Oh my jace. I was really shock upon reading this article and I was like whom shall I believe into now?WMSCOG or this one. And right now I am really really confused of what is real or not. Because somehow I’ve experience of what is this article talking about and it got me glued whether I should believe or not. And oh it whacked my brain. hahaha
They are a cult!!! they were sent as a test to open your eyes so that you never again fall for the devil’s trap. everyone who has been tricked into joining this satanic cult was approached when they were looking for God, for his answers, signs, and guidanceâso it is no coincidence that the devil runs to them to lure them away from our one and true God and his son Jesus Christ. i hope that you’re no longer trapped in this cult. Get out of there!!! talk to God!!! Repent and he will receive you.
I’ve been reading all the information and I shared this to one of my best friend who just like me were part of this religion and she said that. OH MY GOSH THAT IS INTERNET!!! ANYONE CAN POST FALSE INFO IN THERE AND IT IS THE WAY OF SATAN. And I said. Why am i not convince? And she said you’re being brainwashed. Whoa!!!! Im really confused. I just ask God if what to do because I can’t think clearly of what to ignore and not. I’ve gone so far on their bible studies. we studied about Abraham family the copy and shadow about heavenly mother and boy I really believed in that one and upon reading this I don’t really know what to believe now. there are contradictions in my brain that is happening right now.
Hello Asheer, I don’t normally post like this in the comment section and I invite you to come check out the forum. Over the years members of this website, both members of the WMSCOG and non-members, have discussed almost all of the teachings that the WMSCOG likes to use to control their members. Yes, I did say control.
I want to address the studies that you mentioned here. Again you will find a lot more information about these in the forum. The Abraham and Sarah story and the idea of copy and shadow are foundational to the doctrine of the WMSCOG. Is the foundation solid? You decide! Abraham represents god the father and Sarah represents god the mother hypothetically according to the WMSCOG teachings. Sarah represents the free woman and we are all supposed to be of the free woman. Hagar is their servant and is a slave. Anyone who doesn’t believe in elohim god is of the slave woman according to the WMSCOG. Keep in mind that god the mother is the bride of Lamb and the Lamb is Jesus Christ. Lets see how this works. God the mother (Sarah) tells god the father (Abraham) to have sex with her servant (Hagar). Would God ever do this? I don’t think so but you decide. Then god the father does cheat on his wife with the servant and gets her pregnant. Shortly after that god the mother gets pregnant with the child of promise, gods son who represents Jesus Christ. Does this story sound like anything that God would be a party to? Now we are to a very difficult part and that is the fact that the bride (god the mother) is to marry Jesus. Incest? Really? I’ve heard it argued that God can do whatever He wants and that we are not to question it. We don’t know Gods mind. Do as I say not as I do mentality. This idea is NOT biblical or rational. We are not supposed to be fools and this kind of idea tells us that we need to be. NOT GODS PLAN! This is a part of the copy and shadow that the WMSCOG wants you to follow. They want you to believe that God can lie and do whatever and you are not to question it. What does the Bible say about it? Revelation 21:8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” The gods of the WMSCOG will not be in Heaven! There destination is somewhere else completely. Do you still want to follow them? We’re here to help and we are not trying to get you money or make you gather fruit. We are simply here to help. Many of our members were in the exact same place that you are right now. Not many people can understand what it’s like for you but believe me when I tell you that we can. Please let us help. Come read the forum and ask your questions. Unlike the WMSCOG websites, anyone can post here.
Its Okay to slander us WMSCOG members and the gospel that we are preaching but I telling you that in the end you are the one who is going to lose…. đ
For there is only one name given among men whereby we must be saved. THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. That is what the Bible says. Not mother God. NOT A FLESHLY MAN AND HIS WIFE. PLEASE SEEK JESUS!!! You are in a cult.
This information is very helpful. Now I can see things clearly and understand it very well. The first time I heard “God the mother” made some confusions in my mind, I was too curious about it. When they asked me if I can come to their church, my curiousity made me said yes. I really had a badtime wondering and thinking about it. So to feed my curiousity, I needed to come there.
The one who invited me took me there. When were inside, I felt like more curious. People inside there are weird, in my mind. The first thing I noticed was their logical in scanning the bible. Next thing is that they keep on saying “bless you” whenever they met someone (and honestly it made me feel cold to realize where is ‘God’ in it..) And all of them have the same pattern in scanning the bible. They tried to explain to me even harder to make me say yes to the passover. You know what happened next? They pass me to another ‘sister’ and to another and another.. They’re just repeatedly explaning to me why should I have the passover… when one cannot take me, she would leave and another will come.. I understand them. Their point of views, their explanation.. But they failed to take me in their passover ..
They asked me if Ihave questions, I asked them “what is your purpose of this?” no clear answer from them, they said we will find after we study the bible. Then I asked “where are your breads and wine came from?” then they aswered me that they made it. But I was expecting them to answer me of how teyare sure that it was the real flesh and blood of god, I cannot take their answer like by blessing it on their an dI will finally have eternal life after it. Then I said that it was all my questions. Then they asked me what was holding me back from receiving th passover, the they asked like ‘ why don’t you want to have eternal life?’ ‘Dont uou believe in God?’ ‘Dont you believe in bible?’. Their questions are risky to answer, I know my situation. I told them that I will think first the passover thing. They are good people, nice, smiles a lot and kind. But I guess I just cant be what they believe, because I already know whom to bbelieve. I realized it more when I encountered them. And now to speak, everything would depend on you.
I came from this Church to have a Bible study when a Friend, a member from WMSCOG,invited me join their Passover and to have a bible study after. they are nice people, they shook hands to me. During the bible study,a brother taught me about mother of God, started from Revelations 22:17,21:2, 21:9, then John 1:29 then, to Genesis 1:26, then Galatians 4:26. Then after that, they taught also about me the Passover.
Then after 2 hours of study,a brother asked me, ” Do you want to be Baptized?”
sounds great… right? But then I answered them that I am already Baptized on my own church. But then a Friend of mine who was sitting next to me, asked me while she was scanning and searching for the context of “What authority… blah blah blah…”. I was thinking that time whether they are really serious of that question, ” Do you want to be Baptized?” eventhough it’s my first time to be on their church. He really wanted my answer and he keeps on repeating that question. I am pressured to give my answer and I speak to them my answer, and I my answer is ” I WANT TO KNOW AHN-SANG-HONG”. They were surprised that I knew Anh-Sang Hong. Everytime he asked his question ” Do you want to be Baptized?” I answered him ” I want to know Anh-Sang Hong”. That question was repeatedly asked for almost 5 times and my answer is the same for that question. It is as if they know what’s on my mind and I knew everything about that man and that they were hesitant to answer that.In fact I dont know that man and so I answered them that I want to know Anh Sang Hong. I knew that Anh was claimed by WMSCOG as God so I want to know why he was God. What’s on him that He was claimed as God. I love my friend and I am worried now that she is getting married n to their pastor.
I appreciate all your research and investigation to bring to us the truth behind this organization. I was so lost for a while and I am ashamed that I have questioned my own beliefs after going to this congregation. While I was active in this place and participated in all activities, I cant help but to feel this void and heaviness in my hear every time I attend or participate in their services. I grew up as a Catholic in a very religious family. I’m just very curious as to what led you to start your research and this blog? Have you had your own share of experience with this congregation? I would really appreciate your reply in my inbox. Thank you once again.
Had a door knocking experience with them in Australia. They seem to think that the passover cleanses all sin, and that you commit sin after the passover again and have it cleansed at next year’s passover.
The bible is explicitly clear that you have to be worthy of passover in the first instance.
This is a heretic cult that professes that you can continue living in conscious sin and attain eternal life
I was a member of that church. They are like Vipers in that place. They come and steal your souls and make you a slave to that place.It is a mind control institution and they use the bible just for that. I went there and some of the stuff that goes on in that place would make you realize that something isn’t right. Its greed, hypocrite, gossip, bitterness, envy, hatred, selfish ambitious, lies, and mind control strategies. They use scripture to control your whole life. The missionary communicate with each other about you so when you show up they accept you according to what the other missionary have told them about you when you go and visit other churches. They go after young people in colleges because they don’t know much about the bible and its easy to groom them. They have meetings about the members and monitor how they spend their time during the week. If you don’t have a job they tell you to get one because your tithes is important. They don’t preach to homeless people because they would be dependent on the church. They are very secretive they would ask you questions about your whole life and you would know nothing about theirs. They do research on their members and they judge you. They say they don’t talk about money but they are always collecting money for donations. They treat you like an outsiders if you cant be fully controlled.
And this basically sums up what you can expect as a member of this group. I hope you are not interested in joining based on this information. If you are already a member you should instantly become disinterested. Thank you for posting this Randy.
Hey its like this my child invite me to a passover and I was happy about it but then she told me I had to b baptized n her church I told her I’ve been baptized she told me I was baptized n the father the son the holy ghost I said what wrong with that .she said I was baptized wrong she told me that God the mother God the father if I do believe n that I was worship false laws u no the rest .God is good cause he showd me this site I love my Jesus lord
Guys, I’m currently attending the WMSCOG’s and It’s really hard for me, because I tried to go with their views and They pray for this so call god call AhnSahnGhong, and they even pray something in Korean. I used to be with my own belief. My parents are Christians, but they don’t worship this god. The bible, doesn’t say this name, and they have told me that this is the true religion. Others are false, and if you don’t follow GODS commanded, you won’t be safe.
I enter this church, and got baptized and it was because a friend of my class, and If I quit… It’s going to get really weird, since I’m going to be seeing her. I want to believe, but there’s something in me, that says to not believe and praise this guy call Ahnsanghong đ Can someome please help me….
Is WMSCOGS really the only way to salvation as they say? or It’s having faith and believing in God the way.
Hi V.L.
This group is way off. They are not to be trusted with your spiritual well being! Get together with your parents and ask the pastor or minister of their church if there is supposed to be a new person to pray to or believe in. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is the only name in this age and the last. No other name is mentioned, ever! Ahnsanghong even taught this when he was alive. Ahn doesn’t agree with the teachings of the WMSCOG, history doesn’t back up the teachings of the WMSCOG, and most incriminating is that God’s own word doesn’t agree with the teachings of the WMSCOG. Get out of there right now!
Dew, I don’t think you could be anymore cult like. Take some time away from this group and its influence and then research what they are teaching. You ARE going to find fault in their teachings! Hopefully you will be able to find your way out.
if there we're 2 God's, I believe Jesus Christ would of revealed it, in his prayer before being taken away to be cruzfied. Jesus prayed (Holy Father)3 Times without the mention of any other deities. also it's a condemnation too add or take from the word of God.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
Matthew 24:24
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
God is a spirit, that's why we worship in spirit and in truth, if God wanted us to worship images we would of gotten Jesus Christ the man's portrait.
Discern what your being told before you get deeply rooted in a man's doctrine.
There's only way to heaven, Jesus clearly states this in the bible.
Wow. Lucky I found this website. I was brought to this church I think and about the Mother God right? Ya many koreans also. Have a study a guy invited me over telling me the sabbath and Passover… Saw the video but never mentioned Jesus just like many people from different countries.
Oh and he told me Christmas is wrong and it’s not Jesus birth… But it is right?
ATN Yes they a mind control organization that uses the bible as their way of convencing people about their only exclusive true. They change your personality in no time you won’t be FREE after they induct all their stories in your mind, by teachings, you will have no more time for family and friends, they will trap in their belivings,and those from a group, you wont be you anymore VERY SAD.
ATN Yes they are a mind control organization that uses the bible as their way of convencing people about their only exclusive true. They change your personality in no time you won’t be FREE after they induct all their stories in your mind, by teachings, you will have no more time for family and friends, they will trap in their belivings,and those from a group, you wont be you anymore VERY SAD.
My daughter has been involved with this cult for about a year now and I don’t know how to get her to see that they completely misinterpret the bible and the word of God. Please help!
What a cool thing to have happened! Our justice system backed up the little guy so to speak. Way to stick it out Michelle. I hope you follow this up with a multi-million dollar lawsuit against them.
Most cults leave a negative “paper trail” of law suits that they have filed against anyone who speaks out. It’s one of the ways you can tell if a group is a “church” or a cult.
Does God have to sue people? And how did “Mother” not know and inform her leadership that they would lose? I thought they have a direct phone line to God. Not so, apparently.
I left the group back in 2012 and even to this very day I wonder about where to go from here. What will happen to me if I die now because I no longer faith in anything and the Bible just reminds me of all those teachings….It’s frustrating as hell not knowing what is true since everything that I was ever raised to believe in was taken away from me by this mind control cult
Thank you for posting this, and for hanging in there through the long legal process. The “Failure to Prove Damages” part (starting on page 12) especially riveting for me.
I also think it’s interesting that on one hand the wmscog will talk about how they are growing, yet on the other hand here talk about how the critical websites are hurting their membership and offering count.
You certainly judge the church by what you’ve researched. It’s in the bible.. Revelation 22:19 ” And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.” No one can add or subtract.
Daniel 7:5
“He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time”
And can your research and trying to prove you’re right and proving the church is wrong give you salvation? You are just wasting your time.
And have you even tried to be a member? But maybe you’ve judge first.
Knowing God is not only by Commonsense.. but with Heart and Mind. You will just keep other people confused and slander them from the Truth. Take a look on the books you’ve been reading about Christianity, It’s not the bible that their occurring to but their own point of view.
Lies upon lies you say. People distort the Good from the Bad.. And Bad from the Good.
More people just don’t accept the truth. How will you know the truth if you never tried? :\ But when Jesus came the first time people persecuted him because of his beliefs in fact they disliked him for establishing a cult. And so far the same situation is happening again. People value the old rules from the new ones.
And probably you are going to argue with me with your own point of view.
But anyways GOD bless you. đ
It’s never been said in the church that God doesn’t bless those who aren’t Korean baptised. You just made that up. The church allows people of all nationalities be baptised by deacons and pastors of all nationalities.
You talk about research like it’s a bad thing! I have heard from someone in the WMS that Scientology is a cult. Did you know that Scientology leaders told members not to research or listen to or look at ANYTHING at all that was negative to Scietology? One guy on the documentary “Going Clear” said he followed their advice and didn’t look at anything or listen to anything negative about that group for 35 years! When he did, he saw that so called “church” for what it is. Every one of the former members who were in that documentary wished they had researched, listened, and looked. The WMS is no different in that aspect. You should research. You owe it to yourself. You owe it to your family too.
I think it’s sad how were being called “cult members” when all we’re doing is displaying the love of our Heavenly Father and mother trying save our lost brothers and sisters so we can joyfully go back to our heavenly home! You say all these things because you have no idea what our father and mother went through on this earth sacrificing so much just to save us, their children that sinned in heaven. They didn’t have to come to this earth to save us. They didn’t have to leave their throne in heaven to suffer on this earth just to save us. No one on this earth would fast for 7 days straight , suffer persecutions, walk thousands of miles to preach the truth. Our father always carried his bag of bibles everywhere he went to preach, didn’t eat much all along with mother and general pastor. He did masonry work, etc. our father and mother are only trying to save us and that is our goal which is to go back to the kingdom of heaven where there is no limit of speed or time! All of this is satans work to go against our Heavenly Father and mother! Please don’t fall in his trap and come to our heavenly mother to receive eternal life! We keep the new covenant, the teachings of the bible. Which is Passover, sabbatth, etc. only God can restore the truth đ so please come to be saved from the last disaster! I’ve never been happier in my life, i used to hate going to church before coming the church of God and now since i know the truth I can now say I know true God :,) all we do is follow the teachings of the bible and mother teachings. đ
You’re being called cult members because your group has proven itself to be very cult like. This group practices separating people from their support systems and replacing it with themselves, a very real US vs. THEM type of mentallity, and an idea that they are exclusive and the only ones with the truth. If you have done any research on your own outside of this controlling group you would come to the realization that they in fact do not have the truth and in reality the WMSCOG’s truth keeps changing over time! Did you know that at one time the WMS taught that black people are cursed and are not likely to be saved? They no longer teach this because it is unpopular and the WMS found out that they can use and abuse these folks just as well as they can use and abuse anyone. This is not a group you should be proud to be associated with. My humble advice is to get out NOW and go search for real truth not something that someone else is spoon feeding you as the truth. Take the wool off of your eyes! God gave you a brain and He expects you to use it not let others manipulate it!
It’s funny you say that but meanwhile there are churches in Africa and there are many Black members worldwide. What you talk about are the Mormons who use Noahs son for that argument. You talk about truth yet you obviously are one who goes to sunday church, keeps communion, prays to the cross keeps pagan holidays like easter and xmas all things not in the Bible and you think you are enlightened? Satan has pulled the wool over you and the 3 billion sungod worshipping people around the world. Things that Jesus Christ kept like the Sabbath Day and Passover and even said if you want to receive eternal life keep the Commands. People like you talk about the Buble and Jesus and you don’t even believe what it says! Truth??? You can’t handle the TRUTH!
I DON’T EVER EVER WISHED TO BE DESTINED TO HELL. IN YOUR CASE IF YOU DON’T CHANGE YOUR STAND, I FEEL YOU’RE ALREADY DOOMED. YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS THE TRUE CONCEPT OF GOD, VERY FUNNY BUT SAD INDEED. NOBODY HAD SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME.
The bible testifies that if we don’t keep the Passover we have no life in us which is eternal life and that we should keep the Sabbath day (7th day, Saturday ), women should wear veils etc. the ONLY church that keeps all these teachings is the wmscog. We follow our mothers teachings as well which is it is more blessed to give love than to receive as God always gives love, a beautiful mind has no hate and brings forth the perfect love, etc. all these teachings are about love and we all practice these in the church and that is why we are all so happy in the church that and because we know true God. And this love is being spread ALL over the world. I don’t see what’s wrong with keeping the teachings of the bible and following mothers teachings. This church started in a tiny house church in Korea to over 2500 branched churches around the world only true God can do this ! (: the gospel is being preached to all around the world, were only trying to save our lost brothers and sisters so we can all go back to the kingdom of heaven which is coming real soon!
Daniel 7:5?? C’mon, buddy! Daniel is a convenient tool against anyone who doesn’t know their history very well, which is most people. There were more than 10 nations under Rome. Look into it! But will the WMSCOG tell you that? Nope!
And when your pastor, during the sermon, tries to prove Jehovah’s witnesses wrong, does that give him salvation? How about the 7 day Adventists? Or the Mormons? No problem if your “church” judges other organisations, but rain down fire on anyone who judges your organization?? There is a special place for hypocrites as well, not only your so called “law breakers”. Then I say to you, be careful with how you judge, because you will also be judged… on sites like this most likely.
Did you know that Jesus DID fulfill all conditions of the Melchizedek? Even “without genealogy”? I bet not. There are many things you would never question, in fact. You have fallen asleep. Keep your head in ALL situations… especially now, when you think you are safe!!
Actually it is Daniel7v25 He will change Gods set laws and times. The Sabbath Day and the Passover were laws of God with a set time. By changing the day of rest to Sunday and abolishing the Passover Constitine erased salvation from earth. Luke4v16 say it was Jesus’ custom to keep the Sabbath and in John15v10 He says He kept ALL of His Fathers commands. Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath and Hebrews chapter 4 is titled A Sabbaths Rest for the People of God and it goes into detail of the 7th day. The earthly Sabbath rest is a shadow of the Heavenly rest and that if you don’t enter God’s rest on earth you won’t enter it in Heaven.
If you look up the word salvation it means to be delivered from danger. The ultimate danger we all face is our souls burning in hell. In the Bible only ONE thing delivers us from danger and it’s in Exodus12v10-13 God Himself explains the Passover means disasters pass over you. In Jerimiah31v31 God says He would change the Passover to the new covenant which Jesus did in Marks upper room on the night of the Passover. Even 1Corintians5v7 say Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed AND let us keep THIS FESTIVAL, THE PASSOVER.
You bringing up Melchezidek shows that like so many of the Sunday Christians you know the words of the Bible but don’t understand their meaning. Jesus didn’t fulfill Melchezidek because he had JEWISH geaneology, scripture says Melchezidek had NONE! The only geaneology that means anything in the Bible is Jewish ancestory so everyone else is considered a Gentile, meaning the order if Melchezidek MUST be fulfilled by a GENTILE! This is one of the many things that helped me believe Christ Ahnsahnhong is the 2nd coming of Christ. He brought back salvation, the New Covenant Passover and fulfilled the order of Melchezidek.
Wmscog makes people marry to live in the church, so they could pay all the bills. Where do tithes and offerings go? The gospel workers pay for just about everything.
The ex members of this group need to come forth and testify to the harm done to them, their families, and their lives in general. As the family members of people in the wms, I am sure we could also testify as to the harm done to our families in detail. I am in contact with many people who have had their families torn apart by their loved one’s involvement in the WMS. Their stories are heart wrenching, and very similar. We outnumber them, people. Like I have said before, for every member there are exponential numbers of people who have clearly seen the damaging effects of this group on their loved ones.
Am so thankful to ELOHIM GOD (GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE MOTHER WHO HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD THROUGH WMSCOG, that my former church leaders in Anglican church failed to answer and those who tried gave me their own mind not from the bible.)Brothers and Sisters out there lets believe the prophesies of the bible and not miss the Kingdom of Heaven.The true children will follow the Spirit and the Bride, the saviors of this age. God bless u my brothers and sisters its my prayer Elohim God reopens your spiritual eyes that u may see the Light that has come to the earth.
I am glad you are posting here Bro. Welcome. However, I have it straight from one of your members that the brothers and sisters are NOT to read the Examiningthewmscog site. So why are you making comments directly to your “brothers and sisters” when most are not allowed to read this material? I know that some members, if they are hard core enough, are designated to post here, but the rest are told not to read anything that could be considered critical of the wmscog. Is it because you consider them to be weak of mind? This is an honest question. Could you tell my why they can’t read this site? I read your church’s information. I have even read a sermon Joo Cheol Kim gave, and some publications of Ahnsahnghong and J.C. Kim. Why can’t all of your members look at both sides of the information that is out there? Don’t you trust them?
Scientology leaders also told their members not to read anything critical of Scientology. Many didn’t for years. Then they found out they were being lied to and manipulated. They were devastated. You don’t want to be considered like this, do you?
God bless Mountainmom. am anew member of the wmscog so i got to this and saw what u people write about the wmscog and just felt sorry. i consider every one on earth my brothers and sisters so that is why i addressed you as brothers and sisters. brothers and sisters if the wmscog is not from God, you dont need to worry it will fail but if it is from God you just cant stop it growing and if you continue fighting it you will find your selves fighting against God. the will of God will always be done. I pray to Elohim God to allow me proclaim this good news of the kingdom of heaven from zion(wmscog). may God bless you brothers and sisters once again. we lv u.
Iam to in this church I had my doughts and I still go and idk how to get out my bf also believes them because they use history and bible I just need to prove them wrong idk how
I’ve been involved with them for 3 years. It’s so hard to leave. And even though I have several doubts and have recently recorded contradictions (which I plan to post on this site) the hardest part is that they make you feel like its the only truth and all else is false. It’s so hard. I feel guilty leaving, because I feel like God “clearly” teaches opposite of what “babylon” teaches.I feel like, how would it be possible to go to one of theirs. But, I think the best thing to do is seperate from them ling enough to think clearly. Being around them constantly fogs your mind. just leave the best you can, for a few weeks or a month, and then see.
You give good advice, Future ex: Mind control only works if it is applied consistently. Getting away to clear your head is the first and most important step. Then looking at the Bible for yourself without their direction. Let God speak to you. My poor loved one in there can’t hear God anymore. All he can hear is the church leaders in his ear. The distance from them makes room for God’s voice. You are supposed to have a personal relaltionship with Jesus, not a group relationship. Let Him speak to you personally. Give Him a chance to do that. Good luck.
As I said before, please post on the forum. Here is good, but you will reach more and get more people to respond with good advice if you move your discussion there. If you don’t want to, then just keep posting here. Wherever you feel comfortable is good.
Once again, welcome Bro John B. Thank you for giving this information. However, you didn’t answer any questions that I asked. I know that questioning is highly discouraged in the wms. Is that why you don’t know the answers? I hope you will try to do some research. God gave us a mind for a reason.
I am also sorry that what the wms preaches is not true. It would be easier for all of us if it was. It just isn’t. If it was I would definitely join and get all that I care about to do it as well. But I am not because it is simply based on lies, not the Bible. This is unfortunate for all of us, but especially the members. I hope you find the way home to God eventually. God Bless You as well.
Leslie, read all you can on this site. There is so much good information that can help you to prove them wrong. It isn’t really hard to do. It just takes some reading and an open mind that is not under undue influence.
From talking to former members, I can assure you that you will not be ruined if you come out of the wms. Former members I have talked to have said that once they were out and they examined what they were told, they could not believe they were taken in by this group. Good luck.
The wms is so smart n everything makes sense its just it might ruined my bf relashionship I think he has some doughts but his brother is a gospel worker keeps making him feel guilty idk ill do my own study
I want to share something with you. It may help. When people are thinking about leaving this group it is usually fear that keeps them from leaving. Fear is only a emotion! What fear really stands for is False Evidence Appearing Real! F.E.A.R.
Don’t live in fear and feel free to share this idea with your BF. You never know what it will be that releases the grip over a person. It could be something as simple as this.
I see people selling their homes and property nowadays to give everything to the pastor for house churches because Zhang said the end day is September this year. To me, something’s not right. Why doesn’t she use the tithes? She said do not withhold your possessions or you won’t go to heaven. The members are selling everything. ??? Weird. She’s already making so much profit off the tithes because she only pays the big church buildings mortgage with the tithes. Every other bill is paid by the members. Leaders of the COG prove where the tithes go and that this is not a for profit organization.
We had a member go to see Mother in April. In May, and I have proof, He attempted to use fraud to steal almost $3000 from my business.
He is the Church leader. How can a church leader, go and be with the living God. Come back moved. And then Steal $3000 to do the gospel work? That really hurt my faith.
Wow! Please do whatever you can to document this. It should be turned in to someone in authority because it is actually something that CAN be proved with documentation. Good luck.
Can someone tell me how to pray I wanr my bf out of this church and I dont think hel realize it especially if his brother is a gospel worker my bf is not into deep in this church but he believes everything I just wish it was all over it suks I just want to get him out before he gets to involved I hate this church im sorry ive never had so much hate for a church
Why September, Lisa? What is the explanation on that date? There have been so many different dates that were the end. At the same time they were telling people in Chicago the end was 2012, they were telling young recruits in Seattle that the end would be in 2018.
I also call for transparency on the finances of the wmscog. It is their most closely guarded secret. They talk about biblical secrets that only they know, but really, it is financial secrets that only they know.
September 23rd (day of Atonement) the the date Mother gave at the general assembly this year, the say this is the date Father comes to takes us to heaven. This is because the church was established on the day of Atonement 50 dears before. Therefore it is the year of Jubilee. Leslie is that what they are also teaching at your bf’s church? Everyone is selling their homes cars etc to give to the pastor to make make house churches. They say its a great movement.
My niece has been part of this “church” for almost 3 years now. It’s getting worse and she rarely spends time with our family now including her mom and dad. She is on the verge of dropping out of school and spends very waking minute at the church. No one wants to push her away but we don’t know what to do anymore. Let me know if you have any suggestions on how to get her out. Please help!
Lisa we both go to wmscog but im afraid to say I dont wanna go to this church anymore never did believe in them he doesnt really go but im afraid heel get to involved w this wacho people I wanna leav but I just dont know how to come out eventually im gna stop going
It’s a one day at a time kind of thing Leslie. You are just going to have to plan on doing something else one of these Saturdays and you and your boyfriend just go and do it! Don’t ask for permission or tell them that you’ll be gone just go and do it. I don’t suggest this out of rebellion but as an act of freedom. Jesus came to set the captives free not enslave us. You are not going to fall out of the truth or go to hell for stepping away from this group. You already know that there is something very wrong with them. You and your boyfriend just simpily need to step away, take some time to let your head clear, and then research and decide what’s best at that point. God gave you a brain that He expects you to use but not only that He gave you free will. Don’t be enslaved by this group anymore. Once you step away don’t let them hassle you into coming back. Cut off contact for a while. I would suggest atleast three months. At that time do your research and if they are still willing to talk to you see if their doctrine is worthy of Gods Word. See for yourself if their teachings are full of flaws. Help us free some of the other people if you should choose to. If not then just find some better ways to fill your time.
They will say what they did when the end of the world didn’t happen in 2012: “Mother had mercy because of our prayers”, or “No when we said the end of the world was going to be in 2012 we actually meant something else.” Or, my favorite, “Some people were incorrectly preaching that the world was going to end in 2012.” So funny that they ALL seemed to be incorrectly preaching about that. Apparently no one in that church knows exactly what they mean when they say something.
And then they will all accept a lame excuse AGAIN.
Westly, you have provided no facts or truth with your statement. You have done exactly as others before you have done. Blast us with your opinion and provide no basis what so ever for your statement. If you truly followed the Bible and read Gods Word you would realize for yourself that all of your statements here apply directly to your own group. Follow the TRUTH not what you have been spoon fed by someone else. If you do this then you shall free yourself from this trap even if you do not like or want our help. This is what we are trying to do is HELP. This is not some evil thing like your group wants you to think.
I have a cousin who attends the church. I attend medical school. I’m not quite into following a religion, but I favor research towards what goes on in my cousin’s life and who she’s spending time with. Nevertheless, it’s interesting when you mention that you, or more so this website, is trying to “help” people, though it’s degrading a church/songs/members from one’s own perspective without using legitimate resources to support one’s claims. I would neither be able to use this website as a source if needed in one of my research compositions since it doesn’t qualify as a credible source. Publishing claims without peer review or without utilizing secondary resources already showcases illegitimacy of information at hand. One can be helpful without being disrespectful. Besides, if “true God” finds wmscog to be illegitimate, it seems that “true God” would know about it then, according to the belief and praises toward “God that knows all,” etc. In that case, wmscog would fail on it own, as would be anticipated. If that does not become the end result, then that’ll be surprising. In the meantime, I promote peace on earth through improving the quality of life/health.
Thank you for your comments. I can understand that being a student it’s possible that you have been too busy to check out very much of this website. The sources you seek are as well as links to other sources. My assessment of this group as I have mentioned here is very mild in comparison to how I really feel about them. The members themselves are victims of this nasty corporation and overall are generally nice people who honestly believe they are doing the right thing. It’s reprehensible how they are being manipulated and I choose to speak out about it. I can understand how you might see me as someone who is picking on them but before you try and judge my words again please learn about this manipulative group. Thank you once again for your comments.
Leslie, I’m glad you came back. You leaving this group has nothing to do with proving anything to them. I understand that your boyfriend is in there and for his sake you want to show him the truth so he will leave also. This is not something you can do for him. He needs to make the decision to test what he’s being taught and seek out the truth. Your best course of action right now is to leave the group. This might just be the thing he needs to shake him out of the WMS. If you keep going with him it’s going to send mixed messages and he will feel that you are going to reengage with the WMS as long as you keep going. My loved one was told as long as they kept studying, praying, and preaching eventually the whole family would come into the WMS. None of us ever went but could you imagine the mixed message that my loved one would have felt if we had? You have to do the hard things and cut off all ties with the WMS right now.
As for biblical information, there’s a mountain of it right in this website. Use it but understand this, the current members are not going to listen to you because the truth conflicts with what they want to believe is real. Until someone really wants the truth they are not going to see it when it’s presented to them. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink no matter how much it needs it.
for those listening to Steven Hassan, before you believe, YOU should go first for yourself to world mission society church of God and confirm with your two eyes whether what he is talking is true or FALSE. it’s very easy to say something negative to someone just like Pharisees did to Jesus 2000 years ago. THEY ALSO CALLED JESUS HERETIC and false prophet but it’s not true. If you’re really a fair person, Listen first to the prophecies EXPLAINED BY THE CHURCH, then you would find out the TRUTH. GOD BLESS YOU…
Elizabeth, you compare Steve Hassan to the Pharisees? The Pharisees were the keepers of the Words of God. Even though they did not understand them the way they should they were still the keepers of the Judean faith. Steve, I’m sad to say, is not a Christian and best I can tell doesn’t aline himself with any religious group. He does try to be respectful of other peoples beliefs while still not advicating for any group. If Steve Hassan is a Pharisee then he really sucks at it but not as bad as your groups attempt to discredit him. God Does Not Bless Your Group! The way your group ignores so much of Gods Word places you squarely into the people that take away from the Word of God. Get free of this trap you are in right now! The alternative is that you will partake in all of the plagues and end up separated from God because of your participation in the WMSCOG. By the way, I have tried to study with your group and I found it so offensive and contradictory to Gods Word that it physically makes me nautious. When I pointed out some of the obvious and rediculess problems between your doctrine and Gods Word I was pushed away. So much for studying with your group. No love was shown.
I have tried to visit your group. They are so loving and accepting that they would not even let me in the door! I guess your truth is not open to everyone! Talk about prejudging before you know the truth. GOD BLESS YOU IF IT IS JUST AND RIGHT FOR HIM TO DO SO!!!
Aahnsahnhong is the holy almighty god who came in flesh as per bible prophecy. Very danger brothers.. Don’t even say a word against wmscog.. Firstly come to our church without hesitation brother. Hear the prophecy.. Realise the truth.. Then say anything as you wish for your fate.. Very danger to speak Against the holy spirit.. Because the words against holy spirit never forgive.. So please brother.. See the prophecy .. Come to our church. Spent just 1hour in your whole life.. Instead of wasting your time on replying against me come to our church save the time for your soul..
Internet is not the way to realise truth.. The bible is the only way.. Internet are danger.. Satan’s weapon… Only through the bible we can see god brothers.. So please come to our church.. See the God’s word instead of Satan’s word’s in net..
Paul, I don’t care how you find your information as long as you do your own outside research. What I mean by outside research is that you get out from under the influence of the group so that you can discover things for yourself. So far it appears that you have been letting this group tell you what is right and what you should believe. You are not unlike many who have posted here before you so don’t feel bad. I’m afraid that most of you have never taken the time and effort outside of this group to discover if what you have been taught is the truth or not. Unfortunately most people just get spoon fed this doctrine and never take the time to learn what this group is really about before they devote their lives to it out of blind ambition. It works out great for the group controlling the individual but for the person giving up their lives for months even years it’s not advantageous. Take the time to do the research and don’t let anyone interrupt it! I don’t care where you get the information from just make sure it is credible and NOT from the group that has an interest in keeping you under their control.
Can someome tell me if they allow to attend to their service on Saturday only to those who are baptized? Is that a requirement for them? Because if it is that way then they are wrong because Jesus talks to everyone and do not ask are you baptized or not before preaching.
Hi Anon! You do not have to be baptized to visit the church on Sabbath Day. However, Jesus Christ does say, in Mark 16:15-16:
“He said to them, âGo into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Of course, as Christians, we want to believe the teachings of Jesus so that we will be saved. However, Jesus also states we must be baptized as well. This was likely what a member was trying to convey to you before. At the church, we do speak to anyone and preach to anyone, regardless of whether they were baptized or not. We want everyone to be saved, just as Jesus did 2000 years ago. I hope this helps clear anything up!
And yet it says, âGo into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved”. This is NOT the belief of the WMSCOG! They are more than willing to dump a bucket of water on your head as soon as possible in the name of the father and of the son and the name of Ahnsahnghong. Will you know this name that is spoken of. Probably not! In their words, you are still a new believer and just like a new born you must first be fed milk or else you will reject it and/or get sick because you cannot digest it properly. This church will speak to anyone for a moment however, when they decide you are not worth their time they’ll move on to someone that is more easily deceived by their twisting of the Word of God. There is only one name by which we are saved! JESUS!!! Don’t be tricked! Even Ahn taught this truth!
I have been attending for almost 2 months and I wont lie I have felt very spiritually out of touch with God.The fact they worship a dead man it really creeps me I am trying to find a way out the lady who recruited me is always calling for me to attend the endless services , this side my studies are very demanding she does not understand.
This whole idea of trying something before you call it wrong is a serious flaw in the thought processes.
Don’t think of murder as bad until you try it for yourself! What???
Now you might think that I’m overstating but what the WMSCOG does is spiritual murder! It’s not right and needs to be stood up against until it disappears completely.
It’s true, WMSCOG doesn’t want their members to go on the Internet. the free speak on the net cannot be controlled. and members do leave the church as a result. i’ve heard that some churches have even gone as far as saying that there is an evil spirit in the Internet. But come on, let’s not be deceived by such words.i think it’s just the control of the church talking.
@T H. Just wondering. Did we find out whether Heavenly Mother passed away? I think she did actually. But it’s not acknowledged openly by the church. (it’s still covered up, hidden secret).
I’m very upset with this group. My mother is elderly and has several medical conditions that require some special attention. But this church is telling her who to hang out with, what, where, and when to eat. And what she can and cannot do with her family members. My mother’s diabetes require her to eat at certain times and eat the proper food. How dare they have the right to control that.
The weird thing is that ever since she started going to this church, someone has been taking hundreds of dollars out of her account without her knowing. She also lies to me when it comes to matters of this church. Not to mention I have to listen to the fear in her voice when she talks about their beliefs (Which I believe is bogus and all made up)
When she told me she found her spirituality again, I was happy for her. But when all of this crazy nonsense started happening the more and more she was involved, It sounded just way too off. People to prey on those who seek comfort, aren’t human!
the reason that the church tells its members not to visit slandering websites is actually very simple to understand. If you have a brand new member and he or she wants to study and research the material on his or her own time, they are undoubtedly going to run into a slandering site with material that will deceive him or her if they are unlearned and lead them away from the truth.
for example, if you were a brand new Christian and wanted to do research about Jesus. if you type Jesus into Google search, there are literally thousands of websites dedicated to proving that Jesus is the Antichrist and even prove it by backing it up with verses from the Bible. These websites are very convincing especially to a person that is new to Christianity. Jehovah’s Witnesses love these websites.
what many people don’t know, is that all of the slender against the WMSCOG is actually incredibly easy to prove false.
I agree with Josh here, there is a LOT of information about Jesus being a false Messiah even the antichrist and they do have Bible verses to back them up. But there is a LOT more information using even the same Bible verses confirming that Jesus is the Christ. My point is that the sources are coming from different people with different backgrounds, churches, religions, professions not just one church.
My point once again is that you have to be objective, let’s say you are a doctor and you are saying you are the best or maybe your mother says so as well,( That’s bias) only other people like your patients, coworkers, even doctors that do the same as you can give you an objective perspective of your work. I have heard that The wmscog say that they are the church that grows the most and fastest around the world when I do a Google search about the topic the only websites that back that up are the ones from the wmscog, don’t you find that a little bias.
I do have some question for you brother, what is your definition of slander? Which churches discourage people to look if Jesus is false? can you show how this website is wrong? Please prove us wrong we all want to be able to find God. Thank you for taking the time to write here. GBY
Hi Josh, from what you have said, it seems that you must be a wms member that is considered strong in faith, or you would not be able to look on this site. Have you read the comments under the post on the forum called “Can you relate?” I talk to mothers, fathers, spouses, etc., of members on a very regular basis. I bet I have talked personally to over a hundred people who are either former members or who are non members adversely affected by their loved one being in the World Mission Society Church of God. I wouldn’t just believe anything I read on the internet, but when what I read matches hundreds of stories of people I have met and also mirrors my own experiences in dealing with this, then I believe it. And I do believe that while the people in the group are mostly very good people, they are completely deceived and exploited by a group who has taken away all their former goals in life and replaced them with their own selfish agenda. And their agenda is based on a complete lie.
As far as the church is concerned I was always told the 2012 part of the extended 2300 days and years was the start of judgement and I have been there longer then Diane and Ron.
As far as Ron was concerned he was teaching kids to not date each other and to get rid of all their music. As a result of this one of the kids got depressed and started doing drugs and soon after died of a drug overdose. Diane was also telling people to not have children because we supposedly according to Diane and Ron were in the last days. The Pastor at that time had never said anything to me about these crazy ideas and when I asked the pastor at that time about this he told me that was never the teaching of WMSCOG and not to listen to anyone who says anything that is their own ideas.
The WMSCOG has a reason to lie to you about this. They have lied to you about this! What would Ron or Diane get from you by lying to you? Answer is “Nothing”! The WMSCOG wants you plugged into their programing and will tell you whatever they need to in order to keep you from thinking for yourself. Time to wake up and use the mind that GOD gave you and stop following the stories that the WMSCOG administration is telling you.
You believe the church because your a fool , ron, dian and many others weres instructed by the church to say thoes things and no one died just more lies. The WMS should not be invalved in anyones life. Your pasto john is zhangs grandson and Dainel in NY is his fathr and zhags son you dont know crap about the people you put your faith in.
And if that is not proff enough to show you the church doctrines has changed then your a fool. I was there . them and it is a fact and we all have the study notes from thoes teachings. I saw many films befor 1999 about war and computor and global meltdown where nuckâ s could go off.
Ha Ha Ha, am I the only one commenting in 2015 besides a few others I have seen. Wow what a huge following is your God sleeping it looks like your followers are also.
1 Kings 18:27-. Look at them all flock here for the truth. Looks like satan even got board and went back to the catholics.
I’ve tried to comment on several of the WMSCOG websites. My comments are ALWAYS disregarded! Fortunately for you this website accepts challenges to the truth. The so called “truth” that the WMSCOG propagates does not and will not stand up to scrutiny. Have you ever thought about why that is? Better question would be; How much research did you do about these teachings and about the WMSCOG before you gave up your soul to it? By the way, God’s using us to reach out to you! He’s not dozing off like Zahng likes to do.
Who are you to be so foul and nasty? Sorry, I forgot you are just following the example set before you by the WMSCOG. FYI You might want to change the name you are posting under. Just a suggestion.
Actually I was wondering the same thing and my only answer is they are new to the church because best believe that kind of ungraciousness is not allowed in ano of oyr churches!
Now with your blasphemous rant about the Passover it is the single most important thing in the Bible that under the Law of Christ will give us forgiveness of sins, protection from disasters and eternal life. Seeing your ignorance of something that is holy and precious to God proves you have no way to be forgiven and when the Great Tribulation happens will suffer along with other people around the world, that is if some accident doesn’t happen beforehand.
How does the so called church brainwash you? Why do they believe
Everything is a shadow……i know members of the wmscog who are
not paying their bills nor cleaning their home, due to the beliefs
that the house is just a shadow….so sad!!!
first of all we must know why did christ Ahnsanghong wrote this book? let’s see in the book of john chapter 7 verse 8 and john7:10 campare this two verse . it prooves that Jesus is false? we must have to know why did Jesus said this words does it mean i do not go? as the same ways he said he said jerusalem is a city of heaven. bcoz that was not time to appear of real mother. mother the life giver appered after adam sleep. so cant adam say there is no mother eve? does it mean he lied? if you want to know what the fact please visit our church.
You need to be more clear about this so called contradiction in the book of John. As I read it there doesn’t seem to be a contradiction. I’m not sure where you are going with this. As for visiting your so called church, I have NEVER been welcomed there. Not even when my family member was a part of this group. The few times I’ve tried to visit I was turned away at the door basically being told that I needed to be invited before I could come in and study with them. I’m sure that these are not the facts that you want shared however, this is what HAS happened at three different locations and at a fourth location they didn’t even come to the door. I hope that your mind can become opened and that the truth will speak to you. If this is the place that you are in I encourage you to research everything that you have been taught. Do this on your own outside of the control of the WMSCOG. If you honestly do this you are going to find a lot of problems with the studies and the doctrine of the WMSCOG. Nobody can do this for you! You need to discover these things for yourself. There are plenty of folks here that are willing to discuss what they have discovered over the years if you care to open up a honest conversation with us.
please visit us we will testify about his words he is right or wrong. we believe him as christ. we have these all books but u know why we believe in him?. did pharisiees believed in him although they know bible more than other. i can testify u that passover is the first command of bible. but u donot understand by comparing with the verse of mattheww. why did he say passover is the first command when he know the verse of matthew?
Just yesterday I was stopped by a pleasant young lady professing this “bride” and female god. I sadly admit I was lured in and I was even “baptized” while I was praying the many times that night I prayed silently to be revealed the truth, bc anything new to me I have to consult God first. When I came home after 6 hours of,now i know as false prophesy, i decided to do some diggin which led me here. Call me a good actor and pease nominate me for an Oscar, because my spirit and what i already know about the bible aside from attending traditional church, this was a bunch of phony balony. I had way too many questions i dont think they liked that too much. I politely told the young lady that I won’t be returning. They almost had me, but I may not know the entire word of God but I do know false teachings when I see it. Thanks for opening my eyes to what God had already revealed to me.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to traditions of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
you admin n other blame Ahnsanghong is false christ. could you explain me then which one is the real fact church? to blame other are easy but it is not needed to blame but try to teach fact laws of bible to get salvation. do not judge other till lord’s come. if passover is false then what is right? if you dont know how could you judge by not knoing true teachings? i believe him as creator if you u visit wmscog then you will get good informations about their foundnation of faitb in Christ Ahnsanghong. if u were in the time of Jesus will u ask pharisees to know about Jesus is creator or not? if u ask with decieples of Jesus why do u believe him as christ then u will get the points.
GRACIAS A UD., NUESTRO EVANGELIO PROSPERA, ES LO MISMO HACE DOS MIL AĂOS LOS OBSTACULIZADORES PROPAGABAN FALSOSO RUMORES DE JESUS.
Pero bueno ustedes existen porque tambien cumplen una profecĂa en la biblia y solo hacen su trabajo, los felicito.
isa.44.6.kjv Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
God would never lie. So if they are saying Mother God been there since the beginning, why is that not stated? And wait you’re going to tell me Mother God and Father God are one. So is the God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Since when does Trinity means 4? Im trying to save my sisters’souls here.
You know what i was told a lot of things when i went to this church one time. Now they are saying things differently. I think they go to sites like this, have their meetings and tell their members something else before members question them. My sister be at the church 7 days a week. 1st it was 9:30pm now its 11:30pm. I understand keeping the word of the lord but man! She’s in it deep and i can’t get her to understand or willing to listen to me. Everytime i say something she says , “well if you look at this verse right here….or “thats not what that verse mean” Well dang how come you can say this is What that means but i can’t say this is what this mean? Like im never right, and dont know what im talking about.
I keep hearing this question, “Which one is the real church?” How many people have used this argument to stay locked into this abusive controlling group? The bible teaches us that we are the church! Not some group! The church is inside of us. What you really need to be doing is cultivating your relationship with the ONE TRUE GOD that the Bible speaks of. Stop letting others tell you how to read things into the scriptures. When the bible says things like you will know they are false prophets when they make predictions and they don’t come true you should believe what the Bible says! Don’t you believe in the Bible? The WMSCOG says they do and then they PROVE that they don’t! As for judging others the Bible teaches that the way you judge others is the way that you will be judged. I invite this! Please judge the teachings of the WMSCOG just as you would the teachings of the Bible. I don’t mind admitting when I am wrong. The WMSCOG has a track history of just changing their truth when things don’t work out or when a teaching is found false of ineffective. The truth NEVER changes! The reason why the truth of the WMSCOG’s truth keeps changing is because it’s NOT the truth! Start visiting the ONE TRUE GOD and get away from the WMS!
F.N., that is what is so frustrating about this group. There is no fairness or compromise. You must listen to them, but they won’t listen to you. They are right and you are always wrong, in their eyes. You should go into their church with them but they can’t even set foot in your church, even for a funeral or wedding. Not one bit of give and take. And yes, they can change what they have fervently preached, like the end of the world date in 2012, and there can be no questioning why. I know of a guy in Chicago Zion who said to a group of us,”I am so sure that the world will end in 2012, that if it doesn’t, they should bar the doors of this church and put a padlock on it.” Well, guess what, it didn’t happen and he is still a member. Now they said they never preached it. Interesting that all their members thought that was the end of the world date if they never preached it. If they could be so completely wrong about that, then what else is complete B.S.? Rhetorical question. I know what else is B.S. I feel so sorry for the members who are so complete fooled and are being taken advantage of by these manipulators.
I met members of this group back around 2003 and they were saying this 2012 thing then too. I remember at the time I was into new age stuff, and in quite a number books the 2012 thing was being promoted. Hearing this 2012 thing from a church was a bit confusing but that was not the only thing confusing they preached. Since then I have realized that if any religion is true, it is Christianity, and the gospel. And not the supposed christianity of world mission society church of god either. It’s just as bad as the sun myung moon church, another Korean who claimed to be Christ!! What is it about Koreans that they love to claim to be Christ so much? Maybe its because Koreans know a lot about power structures and control? Who knows.
Man this story is getting good!she should write a book. Contact ABC news, might of fact. Im going to look into this. Have anyone ever tried to do so with abc, nbc, cbs, 60 minutes or something? This is very upsetting.
Unfortunately most of the network don’t seem to want to poke this hornets nest. There have been reporters that have done research and were prepared to move on this story only to have it shut down by their editors, networks, and/or lawers. It’s frustrating because it really is a story that needs to be told.
The “We Love U Foundation” is an International front group for the World Society Church of God. A parallel example would be the well organized cult, “Moonies” Who have done this successfully with many front groups. The purpose of front groups is to interact with society with charitable works in the guise of “helping” people in order to attract more recruits. Cults usually have a pyramid structure in which there is one central leader, “God the Mother” in which all who are indoctrinated submit to. Their job is to go out and recruit as many new members as they can. One of the first duties of new members are to recruit new members. “We Love U” have also organized demonstrations on college campuses by getting members inside of off campus student groups such as religious tolerance clubs and the like. These tactics influence youth to view the groups as harmless, happy and a fulfilling way of life. Front groups are formed by incorporating them legally in each state that church members open shop as well as filing in America for a 501(c) 3 to make it a non profit religious entity. By doing so, they are protected from an open book policy through the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which means any profits gained for their church isn’t tracked. From researching this information, it appears they are sending the money back to Korea to the main church’s family, which is Zangh Gil Jah’s family who are billionaires living a lofty life.
The main problem is that they are deceptive in their recruiting methods. They are committing an act of fraud. They will continue to get away with it if people don’t become more aggressive in exposing them.
you must not judge according to its appearance or lifestyle. we don’t have the same thought of god. even jesus was not recognized as god because he has brother and he has his mother and father. he(jesus) was living a normal life before, that is why people are saying to him that “you HYPOCRITE” because they cannot believe that a man who is a resident in there place would proclaim that he is god. THEY knew jesus. Jesus is just ordinary man. but god already planned to choose jesus to fulfilled his mission on earth. WE MUST NOT RELY ON WHAT IS SEEN. WE MUST RELY ON THE PROPHECY IN THE BIBLE. ONLY CHRIST AHNSANGHONG FULFILLED WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.HE IS GOD . AND WE MUST NOT RELY ON THE OPINION OF OTHER PEOPLE BUT HEAR THE PROPHECY ABOUT HIM
If you chose to be blind, that is your choice. Did you read the article? In thr new songs and videos, are their the portrayal of Ahn as a Father to 4 children? In the, “Fathers Sacrifice” video, it shows and even talks about him being up all nite in his one room shanty, staying up “alone”. But having 4 children, and a wife, we realize now that WMS
that WMS has painted this picture. You see AHN on vacation, eating meals(not just porridge). In another video, Zhang spoke about a sister who visited ASH and he lived by himself. We need to face the facts, about truth vs. A lie. Its not about “Man can’t undrrstand as God does”, question is, “Can God Lie?” If the answer is, No thrn Ahn isnt God.
Hi all, I am an exmember of this Church/cult! They are so brain washing people’s minds. Killing their souls. When I got Baptized They never told me that Ahn Sahng Hong was married and had children. Even about the so called Heavenly Mother being married. We were never told about the So Called Heavenly Mother being a CHAIRWOMAN to the International We Love You Foundation. Not even one member of our church was ever told or even heard about we love you foundation group! Also they says bible says that God know everything and they so called Heavenly Mother could not even speck the same language as her Sons and Daughters who lived around the world. She always had to have Korean member with her to translate their language. Which I thought was very odd for someone who was meant to be God.
You do know Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic right? So Heavenly Mother was born and raised in Korea plus she is in the flesh so it’s not a total shot in the dark why she speaks Korean. The Bible says the Jesus was made human in every way possible so that is why though He was God he was still subject to rules of this earth. Christ Ahnsahnhong and Heavenly Mother were also born in flesh just like the rest of us so are subject to the same problems. It is sad you had such a closed mid and heart to the teachings you were allowed to receive by God. Now you blasheme the Holy Spirit for which you cannot be forgiven.
Wts happening, who’s ds ahnsonghong, y d people are targeting Christians and diverting there mind through bible with the help of ahnsonghong books, people are breaking all relations and standing for wmc, dI’d Jesus teach this,are v n last days as Jesus informed people wil cme in the name f Christ and say myself Christ :-/
Wait a minute. Steve Hassan? The self-proclaimed cult expert? No where in the world can one get a degree in “cults” or have expertise in cults. Especially as a “self-proclaimed” one. That’s straightforward logic, since I’d like to find credibility if a group is actually a cult from someone who can RELIABLY make that judgment. Ridiculous. You might as well say that The Beatles are a cult.
Hassan Hoax, draw your own conclusions. I could care less what title you’d like to or prefer not to use, but your logic is flawed. Additionally, it aggravates me when I hear members regurgitating the same “explanations”. Think for yourself!
You don’t trust anything with Hassan’s name stamped on it because he said He’s a cult expert? I challenge you to pick up a book about social psychology. Read it.
You don’t need a degree to become an expert in something! Think! Read! To be an EXPERt you should have training or EXPERience.
I’m not trying to come down on you. I’m sorry. Please stop and before you post, think about what you are saying. Don’t be too worried to think.
Hey I just want to let you know that this post was the breaking point for me, it was what finally got me to leave after being a member for nearly a year. Thank you for all the efforts in doing this.
The official teaching as of now is that the world will end before zhang dies, and that those in zion will be saved (144,000 transformed in an instant, the great multitude first dies then resurrects.)
Just putting this out here, as zhang is 70+ old now I think this will be quite interesting in another 20 years time.
Your correct Kai. My family rrcently left after 4 years. In 4 years there have been a number of “prophecies” hinting at the end, but when the don’t come to pass, therr is an excuse.
I have no problem in exposing them. I know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Prevail, Thank God… I am Angry, I am Sad, I am Mad, I Cry and Then I get Stronger again. My Faith In Jesus Christ Will Guide Me. I Will Rescue My One and Only Daughter and Her Fiance, and My 1st Grandchild out of this Very Abusive Destructive Cult. My Faith is Only Getting Stronger and Deeper. My Daughter Was at a Vulnerable stage in Life, She will be able to one day Mourn and Grieve her Father who recently passed away. They May Have Got Her Inheritance and Her Car and Much Much More, I am One Determined Mother who Does not want her Grandchild raised in this Evil Cult. Please Pray I am Successful as I have my work cut out for me… Thank-You and God Bless…
Kelli, please post on the forum. Your story may help others, and you can receive support and good advice as well. Many are struggling in the same way you are.
Kelli, you have to go to the forum and make an account. Then you can hit PM on people’s names there and private message them. It is worth it to have someone help you make the account as you can talk to people privately as well as on the forum. You are someone many of us would like to talk to as we have/or still are experiencing what you are. I hope you will get someone to help you find your way to the forum.
A man that I dated and I believe truly cared for me, punishes himself daily because of his “earthly desires”. They have conditioned him to ignore his emotions and be cold. He believes he committed carnal sins in heaven and that’s why he was expelled from heaven. He refrains from intimacy because he doesn’t want to commit those sins anymore. He believes in father/mother God. I don’t think he has researched them enough because they tell him not to because people, like the ones that ridiculed Jesus, will speak badly of his father mother God. He spends all his time in church, with bible studies and so forth. They keep him up late with the studies and he’s always so tired and napping. He stays in a bad mood. He has disconnected himself from his family. What can I do, or say, so he can initiate questioning these people?
Hope, please go to the forum and find the message about how there is no way that there is a god the mother. Several people who have left this group started with this simple idea. I agree with Mountainmom that talking someone out of this group is not really possible. A member has to make some discoveries about the truth on their own before they decide to leave. What you need to do is just ask questions that will lead this man down a path to the truth. You must be very careful about how you do this. If he feels that you are in some way threatening you might just cause him to go further into the group. Be loving and act curious with your questions. If he feels like you are at lease a little bit interested he won’t feel so threatened by your questions.
Hope ask your husband why would God give Solomon so many wives and concubines if such things were to be considered sinful? Did god make Solomon sin by granting him all the desires of the flesh? did not Crist turn water into wine did he make his disciples sin NO. NO such thing are not sinful they are just natural things. where in the bible does it say such things are sin?
TH, who posted just above you gives a pretty good argument. I can’t tell you that anything anyone says will help this man, though. I haven’t seen anyone talked out of this group, really. I have seen interventions work (and some that haven’t) and I have seen people leave on their own, but no one has come on here and said how they have talked someone out, that I know of.
All you can do is off them unconditional love and refrain from talking badly about their beliefs, because they have already been very schooled on how to argue with people, and basically anyone who tries to talk them out of it becomes some kind of “agent of Satan” to them. That is what they are taught.
Go to the forum here and start posting and talking to people who have already dealt with this. Read all you can about how to deal with it, and talk to people who have been in your position. We are all willing to help. There is too much to consider to just put on here, but you will make connections on the site who can help you. Good luck.
Dian your a coward and what you still don’t have a life? lol. did you get your money back yet lol though I would take a look after 2 years and still nothing new hear.
haha we can try to understand why they do what they do. Then we can then speak if not we are just blindly following our emotions. seek first to understand if we want to be understood. Theres reasons why they are so passionate about the thing they believe.
Wow, someone must have told Mred to stop representing the “church” in a bad light. I still am wondering what he meant about someone taking Dian’s money. Many might assume, since he won’t reply, that the Wms somehow got a lot of her money and now that she knows they are a scam, she has tried to get it back. That doesn’t sound cowardly. It sounds like she is mad and is a fighter. Just my opinion.
If someone or something bleeds a person’s finances dry and then taunts them about their major financial loss, just how many people would want to be associated with this? And what kind of people would laugh at another’s pain? Is that why you were told (just conjecture here) to shut up?
Buddy they never taught that they were physically married I was in over 15 years and I know more than you ever will. But I will say information is different church to church so it is possible they told you that but not in LA
tim, I know you. You’re a good guy overall. In the previous two post of yours you contradicted yourself. 1) The church does not claim that ASH and Zhang were ever married. 2) they never taught that they were physically married.
Sorry for the lack of research comment I know that you have a ton of information about the inner working of this group as well as stories of your own. I’m glad to see you posting here once in a while.
Saying that AhnSahngHong is not Christ simply because he’s Korean is like saying that Jesus is not Christ because he is a Jew. The location and nationality is irrelevant.
Where in the bible does it say that God is not allowed to marry or have physical children? The bible says that christ came to be like man in every way.
The church has never lied to me about AhnSahngHong having a wife and children. I’m going to give the individual that told you otherwise the benefit of the doubt by saying that he/she probably didn’t know that information. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge.
I think its also important to note that AhnSahngHong and Mother never had a physical marriage. Or a physical relationship for that matter. the marriage ceremony was only symbolic in nature. It was never intended to be a physical relationship.
The Bible Does not State that he can not marry that is correct
But MEMBERS were TOLD that He was NOT and SHE was NOT.. 100%
I was a Member for over 10 years
Now Lets look at what Apostle PAUL said it is Better NOT TO MARRY why??
Gets in the way of FULL FOCUS
Now the issue is not that He did .
It is being LIED to..why
Also Isaiah 54 says O BARREN woman ..one has Never Bore a CHILD
This Does not make sense if it is PHYSICAL or SPIRITUAL
Yes brother you are absolutely right. They never discuss or speak anything about the real life story of both the false gods, If they disclose then they will be proved humanbeings. It’s not about man can’take understand as God does.question is, “Can God LIE. If the answer is no, then tthey are God. People have been deceived and fooled by the WMSCOG very badly, I do know when they will understand the difference between SUPERNATURAL and Natural, SINLESS and SINFUL, PURE AND IMPURE, HOLY and UNHOLY. No doubt the devil wants people to be away from worshiping the one and only One God, God the Almighty. It’s not shocking, the devil has doing this right from the beginning,the devil has been playing and misusing God’s word that’s exactly what he wants,NO doubt he has made the WMSCOG his deadliest weapon to keep people away from worshiping the true Almighty God. The result is in front of you the false christ and the false god the mother.
“Where in the bible does it say that God is not allowed to marry or have physical children?…”
The mere fact that the so called “heavenly parents” went on to marry others causes so many problems with the teaching of this group. And frankly distorts Christianity. Because if they were the ones who created mankind in genesis why then did they go ahead and marry their creation?
“The church has never lied to me about AhnSahngHong having a wife and children…”
God as we know is omnipresent so why would they marry their creation when their eternal spouse is witnessing the infidelity? Father marries another woman and has three kids with her and mother marries another man and has children with him.
The pictures that you shared don’t exactly prove whether or not Ahnsanghong suffered. All it shows is that he ate food and swam in a lake. the one picture of him eating food only shows him eating healthy food for that particular day. what about the remaining 6 days of that week? Did he eat? if so, how much?
I will say that he isn’t exactly a skinny man. But then again, neither am I. I used to go days without eating back when I was homeless. But you know what? I’m still fat. Not all starving people are skin and bones.
also, we need to ask ourselves “When”. When did he suffer? Was it before or after he established the church? Everyone knows that it takes a LOT of suffering and sacrifice when starting something new. But after it thrives, is he not allowed to enjoy a healthy meal with his fellow believers?
I’m surprised that a men of the WMS would even try this question. I’m sure you’re trying to lead the conversation into something about prophesy. That’s really what this whole website is about. The WMS translation of the Bible and the prophecies is false. Here’s another idea you might want to consider, if you’re going to try and discredit Jesus the why would it matter to you if Ahn was the second coming of Jesus? Either you believe Jesus is God and what He said was true or you’re wasting your time. Please show us where Jesus taught the disciples about a mother god or a third time He was going to come and I’ll gladly stop questioning the idea of Ahn.
The truth is that the church never speaks anything about Anghsunghong’s life before he was baptised, this itself proves that Anghsunghong by birth was Buddhist, we believe that Jesus Christ came in human form but at the same time he was supernatural. The record of Jesus christ right from his birth to death proves that he was supernatural. But Anghsunghong record from birth to death is not supernatural. In reality Anghsunghong did not fulfill any prophesies .The church the general pastor has very cunningly misused God’s word and has made his own doctrine only to make humanbeings gods.for example the verse in Heb 7:3, god has to come as a gentile, a gentile is one who worships Idols. Why would God be a gentile, if it is, then the first commandment has no meaning, Melchizedek is God, and is supernatural, no beginning no ending, no genealogy, and no religion. Ourban god is jealous God, why would God become a gentile, Jesus said I came to save people not make religion God does not have religion. Restoring the passover, the feast does not make anyone god.
Any evidence to prove this? An undoctured picture on their website, shows him preacing and in the background on a banner is their church eblem, the same one used today.
God says over two hundred times in the Bible that He is the only One. Do you think God lies? Members get so focused on the other trivial things that the leaders tell them to focus on that they miss the major things of the Bible.
God never lies, do you know?
what about us? what about you?
Do you know that because of your lies God came again in the flesh suffering the physical pain that only us sinner must feel?
I want you all to know that when Jesus came a first time many are like you who reject and slander the truth Jesus came to preach. Do you know how hurt is it? Do you know how hard the feelings of the apostles who saw how people reject Jesus at that time? And now do you know that your doing the same fault as what the people who didn’t gave respect to Jesus 2000 years ago?
Jesus came a second time just for us to know the truth carrying the new name Christ Ahnsahnghong. We, the members of the WMSCOG will never leave and betray the church that gives the truth. And we encourage you to please listen to the truth and listen to the voice of Mother and met Father in the air when the last judgement will come.
The first time Jesus came and died for us his true followers mourned him! After his resurrection they celebrated Him. NOW your group reject Him and replace Him. Know the REAL truth and free yourself from this entrapment! This group does not give truth it distorts the truth! I’m glad you’re looking around here. You have a lot to learn about your group and the real truth about what you’re being spoon fed and how abusive this group really is.
You should study with them before you slander things you don’t understand. They worship Jesus as well. You can find the name of Jesus in their song book!
That a lie you are speaking, I have seen them saying jesus is no more, it’s Anghsunghong, because baptised, pray and worship Anghsunghong only. All are fooled and decieved.
Anne, you are right that she is brainwashed. The feelings that you are having are real and justified. What you need to do in order to help her get out is going to go against what you are really going to want to do. When my loved on was trapped by this group I just wanted to prove just how false this group is. DON’T DO THAT!!! She has already been prepped with the idea that people outside of this group are going to try and take away the “Truth” from them so if you start in on her with proving that this group is false she will see it as they were right. You will look like you are trying to take away the information that has been shared with her. Again, DON’T DO THAT!!! What you need to do is show her real love! The so called love that she thinks that she’s discovered will eventually fade and she will remember that your love has not faded. Keep the lines of communication open! This is key number two. The group will try and separate her from all previous support system that were in her life including you. They will attempt to place themselves into that role so that your daughter will only listen to them when things count. They will attempt to cut her off from all outside influences especially things that go directly against their teachings. Your best approach when talking with her about this is to act curious, ask questions, and help her to come to her own conclusions. She has studied her way into this mess and she will need to study her way out of it. This is going to be a very slow process so you need to be very patient and at times very disarming. When tensions start to build you need to back down. Hard to do I know but believe me this is what helps. When they can’t defend because you won’t fight they are not sure how to handle it. Keep showing love and keep the lines of communication open. BTW Never let her talk you or any other family member into attending a service or study. It will only make her go further into the group. They are already telling her that if she tries hard enough and sticks with them then her family will come into the WMSCOG as well. It’s a trap! Don’t fall for it!
On page 89 of Ahnsahnghong’s book Spring and the Water of Life, he says that no one will be saved except by the name of Jesus now and forever, basically. He talks like Jesus is another entity, not like he is Jesus. And of course, he isn’t Jesus. Show me where in the Bible where it says Ahnsahnghong. And show me where it says Jhang Gil Ja. You can’t. And it says you must not add or subtract from the Bible. It is so very obvious that the Wms is twisting scripture. Ahnsahnghong must be rolling over in his grave thinking of how his words were twisted too.
Ahnsahnghong doesn’t say that he is Jesus at any time, and that is according to his own writings.
Wow, I just visited this church recently, and I found it strange. From the seating arrangements, to the ABUNDANCE of God bless you’s (love bombing), to the persistent requests to return. I’m so glad I came upon this site.
LingDai….The Melchizedek Prophecy has a million holes in it. When I left WMS, my memory was jogged back to undergrad. A very knowledgable mentor told me that the NIV has major translation errors. (For instance when it comes to the Cross Reverence Study…Lamentations 26:1 actually says, “Kneeling stone”, Jews are forbidden to pray kneeling. This changes things ALOT) All of the sermons and prophecies should add up in ANY translated work. My point is this..WMS will tell you to check the scriptures, because everything they say adds up. But you can only check it with them, and they guide you to scriptures that don’t look at things objectively.
Admin,please explain this verse. Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.us and our is plural right? Now another verse,Ecclesiates 12:1 ‘remember thy creators in the days of thy truth while that the evil days come out, nor the years have arrived, that thou sayest I have no pleasure in them’. Ok now the words creators and them are both plural. The word elohim that means Gods is plural. Yahweh in Hebrew is the singular verb for god. How do you explain that their is only god the father if their is plurality in the meaning of god.
I really appreciate your efforts and research. How did you get the documentation of ahns wife and children? Doesn’t ahnsahnghong say that Jesus has to come in secret?
Jonas, isn’t Elohim a Jewish word? Don’t you think the Jews understand their language better than we do? I asked a Jewish man if Elohim meant two Gods and he laughed! Of course the answer was no.
And how would you explain that God says over a hundred times in the Bible that He is the only one? Do you think God lies? I know He doesn’t.
He didn’t “reveal” anyone later either, because that would be lying too. If you came to my door and asked if I was the only one there and I said yes, but I knew that I someone was sitting in another room, wouldn’t that be a lie? Well of course it would. And God didn’t lie when He said He was the only one.
The WMS argument/sermon , “Savior of each age” is flawed. A Jew will tell you that in the old testament, there is CLEAR understanding of Jehovah being in existence. Then, the Messiah was always understood as God coming in th flesh, and as being the same. We know this. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of this. This is the SAME old testament. So the argument of;
Jehovah being the only one
Then Jesus being the only one
Has flaws. The OT always told of thr Messiah, being Jehovah.
@Jonas. Many men have said, “Jesus has to come in secret”. These are the same men that Jesus said to be watchful of…”For many will say, here is the Christ”…But Jesus daid NOT to follow them.
The WMS claim that the 2nd coming will be in secret. They also claim the above scriptured are at the end. They also claim Hebrews 9:28 speaks of ASH bringing the passover and saints out of the dark ages
Thank you for all this valuable information. Why are all these wms churches doing things like this? I have to get baptized the correct way now right? I just got baptized into this church on November 11th and I just got kicked out of the Denver branch because I punched some guy in the face during an awards ceremony. It wasn’t even in the church. How can I keep Passover now? How can I keep Sabbath day? Why do they pray in the name of somebody else and not Jesus? I feel betrayed.
If all the information you have provided me is true and most of it comes from ncpcog right? The wmscog claims you have to acknowledge God the mother in order to go to heaven. I don’t see that anywhere in the bible. They claim that any is second coming Christ but they don’t explain that to you right before baptism. They do keep the laws of the new covenant but they pray to a false god the mother. Man I thought this church meant well. How long has this website been about?
GOD BLESS YOU!!!! I had a deacon lie to me too!! When they started to teach me about how to pray to mother and father, deep down I thought God please forgive me if this is wrong. Whoever made this website GOD BLESS YOU and let’s follow jesus the true God in flesh. Mr Ramos or whoever the admin is,thank you for all your time and effort in developing the actual truth. God bless you. Lets follow jesus and go to heaven.
I haven’t even been involved for two months and now I can’t even go back because I punched some guy in the face during an awards ceremony. They kicked me out and forbid me to return. I can’t believe I was baptized and then told to pray some Korean man and women who they don’t even mention before your baptism. Thank Ron Ramos or whoever the admin is for doing countless hours of research and studying. If it weren’t for this website I would still be their as their slave. It is more of a business then it is a church. My prayers are with this poor woman tonight. GOD BLESS YOU!!
Low and behold after many years of helping people out of cult groups, I found out this past week that my grandson is now involved with the WMSGOG. I have been researching this group and speaking at Metro State University attempting to reduce their aggressive recruiting efforts on the the campus. A group of us met with a local leader of the Church of God on the campus but after about 20 minutes of discussion he left very angry yelling at us. I am looking for any ex- member in the Denver area to pleas contact me.
Every bible has errors. Even the KJV has errors. In fact, the errors written in the KJV are even worse then that of the NIV. I used to be a Baptist. The Baptists preach that the KJV is the one and only correct bible, and any other bible is a perverted translation. This was actually a bit of brainwashing on their part. I don’t think they mean it that way, but if you actually stop to think about it, in essence, even the KJV is a “translation” of the original scriptures. But even if there are errors in every version, the core teachings are the same in every translation.
However, the thing that the NIV does that raises eyebrows is that they took entire verses out of the book. Like for example, in Mark 9, it skips verses 44 and 46.(there are several cases of these and most of them are in the book of Mark) But what the NIV never fails to do is add a footnote in order to understand what used to be there.
“Some manuscripts include here words similar to verse 48”
The reason they did this is to save room and redundancy. Otherwise, it would have repeated itself three times in the same paragraph. But if you think about it, they didn’t ACTUALLY take the verses out. Since they took the time to write the footnotes in there, the verses are technically still there.
But back on topic.(A.D.D.) just so we’re clear, I am an Italian American. I was raised in a household of a bunch of cranky-pants’ who question everything in terms of religion and such. I’ve probably put more stress on my local WMSCOG then anyone there. I criticize everything and challenge as much of their doctrine as possible. I mean, this is my salvation we’re talking about. they have always been incredibly patient with me and answered me with absolute grace. I haven’t noticed any holes or flaws in their teachings yet. Melchizedek included. So if you know of any, Please share.
what kind of article is this? I don’t know much about the church of God but this article proves nothing but it is only to slander the WMSCOG, am I right? Examining the WMSCOG? what an effort…
I also examine the church but looking at it nothing is right to what you want us to know, Ahnsanghong don’t have physical children and also their teaching (http://WWW.WATV.ORG) is actually don’t contradict the Bible but explain the Bible actually better than you do.
So what’s you Identity? because what can I see is the one who create this article was false than the WMSCOG.
Either you believe Jesus is God and what He said was true or youâre wasting your time. Please show us where Jesus taught the disciples about a mother god or a third time He was going to come and Iâll gladly stop questioning the idea of Ahn.
Hi LingDai, actually translations in the Bible including the NIV or KJV have its errors especially the book of Genesis and Revelation. Do you know that if we will just going to base to the original text of the Bible, we will find out and clearly understand that Mother and Father appear? Before I met the WMSCOG no one can explain to me the right teachings of the Bible, they just explain by their own words even though they are pastors or priests. But when I’ve been in the church of God I learn a lot, the truth that we can never imagine. Pls visit the WMSCOG and study the Bible diligently with a open mind đ
Either you believe Jesus is God and what He said was true or youâre wasting your time. Please show us where Jesus taught the disciples about a mother god or a third time He was going to come and Iâll gladly stop questioning the idea of Ahn.
Mark, post in the examining forum and someone will most likely send you a private message there. I think there are some former Denver people on the site.
are you joking,that is a low assumed amount. most members tithes and offerings are given in cash and I can tell you it is not reported. Did the church say what the assumed amount of cash that was given?
I remember how we payed for “EVERYTHING”. We were rebuked, yelled at many times for not giving more. We were yelled at also for not paying out of pocket fot the 7,000$ oil bill for the church.
Look at all the money they have, and I know that at least one member was told that their Korean pastor, who was one of the Lees, did not even have enough money for health insurance. This same pastor told people that he was not paid by the church at all. When asked then how did he live, he said he owned an electronics store back in Korea.
we were always told that the Church did not have that much money and church was the members and we needed to take care of our home (Spiritual)
So members gave for everything But well ok .
Now lets do some Math
OVER 2,000,000 TWO MILLION MEMBERS REGISTERED ok so I will not use all Because not all always go . So lets use 500,000 FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND
500,000 GIVE $1.00 one DOLLAR that is $500,000.00 collected in one service
Three Services $1,500,000.00 ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND ….
NOW WHO ONLY GIVES $1.00 ONE DOLLAR A SERVICE . THE KIDS ok
THIS IS ONLY AN OFFERING THE BLUE ENVELOPE YOU ALL KNOW….
BROWN ENVELOPE IS ZION OFFERING HELPS OTHER ZIONS??? OK?
NOW MOST OF THE TIME I WOULD GIVE MINIMUM $10.00 and as much as $20.00
Now lets say that only 100,000 members give this Amount $10.00 that is
1,000,000.00 ONE MILLION DOLLARS collected in one SABBATH for BROWN ENVELOPE..NOW
4 SABBATHS A MONTH THAT NOW IS $4,000,000.000 four MILLION DOLLARS ok NOW NEXT…
THE TITHE
Well lets say KIDS don’t work so lets use 100,000 members That work
Average pay in USA is HIGHER than other Areas so i WILL not USE A LARGE AMOUNT
100,000 MEMBERS GIVE $50.00 FIFTY DOLLARS HOW MUCH IS THAT????
5,000,000 FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE SABBATH ,WELL EACH MONTH HAS 4 SABBATHS
4 TIMES 5,000,000.00 EQUALS 20,000,000.00 TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS
NOW LETS ADD
SO THIS IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH AN I COULD BE OFF BUT THAT IS WHY I DID NOT USE THE
2,000,000 MILLION MEMBERS
BLUE 6 MILLION
BROWN 4 MILLION
TITHE 20 MILLION
ADDS UP TO 30 MILLION
NOW I KNOW PLEASE DONT GET MAD
THIS IS VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS USED
YES THERE IS RENT AND MORTGAGES AND PHONE AND INTERNET WATER POWER ETC..
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THE FEAST WHERE IT SAYS DEUT. 16VS16
AND OFFERINGS ARE GIVEN THEN ALSO
YOU GIVE ACCORDING TO THE WAY THE LORD YOUR GOD HAS BLESSED YOU .
NO SOME OF YOU DONT KNOW THAT MANY CHURCHES THAT WERE PURCHASED NORMALLY GET PAID OFF
IN 15 YEARS .. THEN NO MORE MORTGAGE PAYMENT AND YES THIS CAN BE A LARGE NUMBER
SO THIS IS PART OF MY 2 CENTS
AND BY THE WAY I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY MEMBERS WHO GAVE OFFERINGS
OF $10.00 TO $50.00 A SABBATH
AND TITHE OF OVER $400.00 A SABBATH THESE WERE INDIVIDUALS NOT GROUPS
SO THAT IS ALL
I want to raise a question. Is tithe God’s regulation that should be or shouldn’t be practice in the New covenant? We should, right? Then, Is it a secular material or holy offering? It is a holy offering right? Then why do you treat holy offerings like it is a secular material? Why do you treat offering with contempt? You Phinehas of this age! If thru members faith seen thru their offerings accumulated this amount, what is it to you? Are you jealous? And do you consider the meals of gospel workers everyday? Do you still insist that gospel workers pay for their food everyday? I pity this site. All sources are not credible.
Don’t you gods word to decieve and cheat people, Jesus said I love mercy more than sacrifice, tithe iso one of them, Jesus said give willinglyrics, not under compulsion. Stop cheating and twisting gods word, in the old testament it was not money but food. You robbers, wicked, robbing the innocent and poor people, wait for the punishment, it is on its way.
I know of single men who are wage earners, making less than $60,000 per year that gave at least $15,000 of their take home pay to the church in one year. Yes, Joseph, your estimate of giving is waaaaay under what the average person gives. I know of two minimum wage earners, married, who gave several thousand last year of their take home pay. They have got to be living in abject poverty to do that. I also know of a guy who was living in his car, lost several jobs, but then continued to live in his car even after he got another job so that he could give money to the church. Does the church leadership care? No, not a bit. They say, “It’s their choice.” Right. It’s their choice to give everything they have and more or they are told they will not make it to heaven, and they believe that. What kind of choice is that? Unfortunately, they are being exploited for the promise of a final reward that will never come.
I used a humble amount because I wanted to be fair
I know how much members gave because the ones who gave gave from the Heart.
When you read my reply I Only calculated monthly now multiply x 12 months that’s 360,000,000.
For those I will spell it out
THREE HUNDRED SIXTY MILLION A YEAR.
You will probably know sooner because most people do figure out that this is a scam to take your money, time, and talents for the use of the leaders of the Wmscog. They are really angry and devastated when they do. I think the depression they experience is profound. I hope my son makes it through all of this when he sees what he has done and that it was all for nothing.
He hasn’t been blessed. I think the last 7 1/2 years have been the most miserable of his life. Where are all the blessings? I see loss of relationships, loss of finances, loss of career track, and health problems to boot. Yet he has to smile and act happy at the church even when he doesn’t feel that way.
Yes, I know you are trying to be fair, and it is very hard to estimate without more information. It really is impossible at this time to know how much is given. All I know is that from the many many people I know who were former members or who are still members, I believe that your estimate, even though it is in the hundreds of millions per year, is way under what the take from the Wms actually is. If the take averaged only $200-$300 per month from all members (That is way under what I hear they give, even the poorest) and they have only half the membership they claim, they would still make half a billion per month. Per month. As opposed to $360,000,000 per year, which is also an outrageous amount for something that is so obviously a scam, in my opinion. All that money while their members undergo financial hardship in most cases, and life and career path derailment in many. And what did they donate to Haiti for a photo op? There is a picture of Joo Cheol Kim handing over a check for $100,000. Ok, but that is only to satisfy their members and recruit others. If they have multi millions and claim they use it for natural disasters, why give what amounts to a pittance of their take to Haitians, who underwent the most monumental of natural disasters of the decade? The answer is simple: they gain plausible deniability in the eyes of those who don’t question how the finances are being used.
I will pray for you too, Alexandre. I know that the members of the Wms are mostly good people who simply have been completely deceived by this group, and this could happen to anyone who is vulnerable. It is unfortunate, but most eventually see the lies and leave the Wms. I just hope that it is in time before too much of their lives are wasted there.
March (3) + 7 months = October (10) new moon fell on October 7th. Which is the tub month 191st day. They held it in October 8th which is still wrong but not by a full lunar month. Seems they got the Passover wrong in 2015 as well. Should have been April 2nd not 3rd. 393rd should have been unleavened bread and then that Sunday would have been resurrection for Christ will rise again in 3 days not 2 days.
Theological ignorant and exploitation for one’s self glorification is at work. The Bible was a Canonical book; there were many books existed after the death of Jesus. Constantine organized the council of Nicea to pick and choose books that should be included in the Bible today (Divinity Vs. Humanity, or Grace Vs. good deeds). The entire Judea-Christian tradition also (B.C period) has rooted with Sumerian culture, and that is another debate issue. The Moon organization had rooted from N.Korea with the same claim of revelation and interpretation of the Bible to suit their agenda of Korean version of the Bible that concluded Mr.& Mrs. Moon as True parents of mankind. Now, we have a “Heavenly mother”? Just wondering if these two were connected back to early days of N.Korea that many claimed themselves divine of super special as dictator Kim?
The pattern of religious cult: Overwhelm with love and attention during initial contact and hooking a victim with certain logic (e.g people are basic good, but the world is bad/ Society is greater cause than individual….Jesus said to leave thy parents to follow him!…). The next stage is indoctrination through various means to replace victim’s individual identity with group identity. All done, victims are their minions (followers/ members with rank).
You can seek God without middleman, and God speaks universal language- not Korean.
Wake up minions before too late. If you want to go to heaven, please take heaven with you; for you are creating heaven or hell everyday. MAY THE FORCE (GOODNESS) Be WITH YOU.
Wow Kayla. If you are in medical school you probably didn’t have time to really read everything on this site. If you did, you would see that there are all kinds of credible resources, and the information is more than legitimate. These are real people testifying to what has happened to their lives as a result of their, or their loved ones involvement with the Wms. Facts, Kayla. There are sources citing court cases, there are tax exemption forms where the Wms was less than honest, there are people who have sustained real damage in their lives from their association with this group. In light of all that, people here have been incredibly respectful. And I can testify that they were also incredibly helpful.
Alexandre – Friend, WAKE UP. You came here for a reason…probably because of some questions. Questioninf the obvious doesnt mean you lack faith..its a basic honest component if normalcy.
@Kayla: I agree with T.H.: Most of the people in the Wms are very nice people who just don’t know they are being manipulated and exploited. Please do check out this site completely and find out what is really happening within the walls of “Zion.” It may be the most important thing you ever do.
I just want to say that your son was surely thinking of you and want you to be saved. If there’s something wrong in the WMSCOG then your son will not stay there for that long. I’m a member of the church but all of the assertions through media about the church of God is actually not true. please listen to the truth, God will never be pleased if you will just going to listen to the off base accusation in media about our church.
My Son can’t even pay his bills due to tithing which he says is between him and God so therefore he can’t explain to the church why he can’t tithe, he does it anyway even though his bills suffer and his credit is getting wrecked. Most of you are good people who are being deceived so that your deceptive leaders (not good people) can reap financial rewards for their own personal gain. The church has a way of putting fear into you in a way that takes you away from your family on holidays, etc. You are told not to listen to your family because we are the ones that don’t know. They know what they are doing. I am basing my opinion off of my own observations not the media. I feel sorry for you that you are in this church. It would be one thing if they weren’t taking everyone’s money but they do for several things: tithes/offerings/special events/etc. Take care and may God be with you.
April, with all do respect, its not the media portrayal of things, its what happens that is fact. I will commend you because you have approached this with way more humility than other members, but the things I have witnessed, my 4years a member, were alarming. I initially after leaving, tried to just move on, but as I told my story (Racial comments from a leader, rudeness, ostracizing members and on and on) I was labeled “Slanderer”, and “Your saying bad things against God”. You can’t be a slanderer when stating testimony, or your story. Ive even told members that they often inaccurately use the term by definition, and I would get the same response. If members say (like you) that THEIR experience has been good…Im ok with that. But when there is a blind eye turned and then the finger is pointed towards concerned EX members, its a problem.
I was there for eight years. I believed the “truth” as explained by the cult but I started having problems when prophecies were being manipulated and the cult began openly lying and calling it a test or prophecy.
And said that it never predicted the end would come in 2012 but we went to see mother in Korea she told us not to make any long term plans because the end would be come soon. All of these were lies! god cannot live there because god does not lie. But mother lies all the time! And if the end is really coming why are they gathering all this money?
It took me eight years before I left, and still others after a decade. My family was very patient and never said I told you so after I came out. Hang in there there’s plenty of people to talk to on the forum who understand exactly what you’re going through.
Rent – paid by members own special contributions
Utilities – paid by members own contributions
Events – paid for by members own contributions
Food – paid for by members own contributions
Furniture – paid for by members own contributions
Cleaning supplies – paid for by members own contributions
Other goods – paid for by members own contributions
Tithes and offerings are NOT used for what is above. Everything I mentioned is a separate contribution. Former member now bankrupt and trying to get my career back and go back to school…since I had to quit due to too much time invested. Seriously – in order to be a gospel worker you are needed 7 days a week. Any less then something is spiritually wrong or you have an idol in your heart.
Sorry to hear that John. We also spent alot of money towards thus cult. I’ve watched members in labor, what a contractor could charge hundreds of thousands of dollars.
can you explain me something.. if ahnsahnghong wrote (that he never wrote it but lets suppose he did it) that the world end in 1988 then why he also wrote about the 2012?think about. its meaningless.whats the point to explain about 2012 and the 168 days ( if world ended in 1988) thats mean that he knew that the world would exist for sure
I’m sure that the WMS would have some kind of answer. For people who are not under the control of the WMS the “answer” would seem seriously flawed. Why would we not be able to see their “truth”? The answer for that would be something like, “The truth is not in them so they do not know the truth when they hear it.” The story that they might give, whoever would listen, probably would be something about one event being a shadow and the other one being a reality.
i think no one is under the control of anything. everyone makes his decisions and is responsible for them.church of god doest point anyone with a gun to believe… everyone is believe to his god but the point is to find the perfect truth. thats why i asked this question just to know but doesnt seem to know anyone to answer.
moreover where Ahnsahnghong wrote that the world will end in 40 years. nowhere
Ahnsahnghong never wrote this. you people just believe what others say without any evidence…so this kind of people are under the control of others….
But Ahn wrote many statements contradictory to what WMS teaches. Although they don’t point a gun, they are so highly suggestive that their tactics work.
Having a family member that was under this groups influence I CAN speak from a position of authority about the control that is placed over members! If you choose not to listen that is your failure not ours. Ahns teachings include timetables for Jesus return which includes timeframes such as 1967. Just like the failings of the early SDA movement, Ahn failed at his prediction for Jesus return. The Bible teaches that this is proof of a false prophet but once again, if you choose not to hear this it’s your failure not ours!
You chose to speak things like this: you people just believe what others say without any evidenceâŠso this kind of people are under the control of othersâŠ.
I don’t know how deep you are into this but you’re not the first one to come at us like this. You seek “perfect truth” amoung men. Once again, your failure not ours. If you have any evidence that we have not been able to punch holes in both Biblically and factually not to mention historically and statistically I would love for you to produce it. Please spend a great amount of time viewing what is shared in this website. If you really are seeking for truth you WILL find out in short order that the WMS does NOT have it! You have an opportunity here. What you choose to do with it is totally up to you. Don’t blow it!
If God had really substituted veils with long hair on women, why would short-haired women not wear veils? If long hair was truly a substitute for veils, why would Apostle Paul tell women to cut or shave off their hair.
1 Corinthians 11:6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
Someone once asked a member,”If your head has to be covered, then couldn’t we just wear anything, like maybe a hat? Where does it say in the Bible that it has to be a veil?” No answer.
The Wms has them all wear white lace veils of the same size, and that is the only thing they can wear. Why? What difference does it make?
16″For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten SON, that whoever believes in HIM shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17″For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through HIM.âŠ
Thank you for the useful information!
Please give me a piece of advice what is the best way to let them know that I don’t want to proceed on their meetings and lessons anymore? I have had about 10 or even more lessons, and last weekend they invited me to their “church”. I want to be kind and polite to them, at least for the time they spent with me giving their lessons. So, as I want to quit this, what should I do to be sure they won’t persist with proselytizing in future?
Thanks you in advance!
Let them know very clearly that you don’t believe in what they have been sharing with you. Tell them that you don’t want them to contact you or come around you anymore. I know this seems harsh but it really is the way you need to be in order to get them to understand.
T.H. is right..they are agressive and you MUST take an aggressive stance towards leaving. Tell then you don’t belive the doctrine and NOT to contact you anymore. Tell them also not to show up to your home or job.
One thing I have found is it does state in the old testament that before the end of days Jesus must return as the prophet Elijah. Its funny cause its in the footnotes in the King James Bible. When you research who Elijah was it describes him well and gives tons of information of his purpose.
I remember when I was the studies first it appeared that they were teaching that they both got married.
I reference the heavenly wedding banquet study
1. Took place at a wedding hall
2. Blue and red candles
3 . Dressed in wedding clothing (they show a picture)
I now reference the extra videos (I think it’s either mothers great sacrifice or fathers sacrifice or both)
1. The show Father and Mothrr together preaching to a farmer couple
2. They show how mother had to heat up the house to make it comfortable for members
3. The WMSCOG shows them together in almost every group photo.
Then the WMSCOG back tracks and says they were not in the same zion. That father and Mother were in different cities.
I’d also like to mention that back in 2012 a deacon mentioned “yes, it’s true ahnsahnghong and zahng Gil-jah were not married physically – but spiritually they were. Does that somehow not make them God?”
The point here is that up to 2012 (from what I learned and other members learned is that their teachings with both directly and also indirectly indicating the two were physically married and that they lived together and did not have a family.
Also the point here that I’m making is that I honestly do not care if God had a family or not. Jesus did and I still believe in Jesus. The point I’m trying to make is that the WMSCOG uses such deceptive teaching and recruiting tactics and that’s one of the reasons why I left the church. honestly it’s like a house of mirrors with the WMSCOG. You don’t know what’s real or not.
Samantha, please take some time. Part of what you’re feeling right now is part of the programming from a control group. The more time you spend away the less lost and confused you will feel. If you had a church family that was supportive before I would suggest that you go there and try and get a feel for if they are welcoming or not. It’s going to be hard and confusing at first. All of the stuff you have been studying are going to conflict at times with what you hear now. While you were still involved with the WMS you were taught how to believe, what to believe, and how to disconnect from people that didn’t share the same views. It’s a lot to overcome but God blesses the overcomer. (Your going to have to read those verses again with open eyes and in the context that it is written in.) Please keep posting here. It will help you to open up about your experiences with people that understand where you’re coming from. Not many people will understand what you went through or how you got involved but we do.
only God can help you Samantha, you knew that đ thanks to Father and Mother, they allow you to discover the WMSOG to help you. Please think wise Samantha and go back to the truth establish by Father Christ Ahnsahnghong.
But why are you on this site when i remeber very clearly that sisters were not allowed to google anything about the church because satan controled the internet…. appearently webistes like these are eating out of the knowledge of good and evil and according to mother we should refrain from the internet because it dangerous and can blind you from the “truth” yet here you are on this site…. so im kinda confused as to why you would go against mothers words or deacons/ deaconess order… akwward moment….
I think you misunderstood what Mother what to tell us. there’s a reason why you must not open the sites but there are reasons that you must open the sites.
and you remember very clearly the message but still here you are, you still open this site without knowing the reasons.
So funny members such as yourself come on here and leave a vague short message and then disappear. Whenever I ask a tough question or ask them to explain or actually think about something they disappear and NEVER answer.
I hope some, at least, think about the question that I present and eventually look for an answer. You will discover a lot on your own if you use the critical thinking skills the wms tries so hard to remove from your head.
I’m crying as we speak because before I found you guys I really felt alone. No one understands the pain I’m going through because they didn’t experience WMSCOG. My sister tells me to get over it but I can’t because the church really has had such a negative impact. Im always paranoid and feel like the world is ending today. I’m scared to go to other churches because of the fear the church has put in my heart. I don’t understand m. My reality rrreally feels like a nightmare and at one point I remember the sisters said they wanted to just die soon because they wanted to go to heaven. And soon I was thinking that way really hating the world and the Gentiles who not “Chosen”. How long did it take to get over the constant fear?. Does anyone ever wonder why we had to go through this? Because i wish I never ever went. who is Satan if the pope isn’t and is Jesus going to Come again to seek and save the lost? These are questions I always ask myself. I’m so thankful to have you guys even if I don’t know you. I was in the “truth” for a year and everything that could possibly go wrong has when I was baptized. I do not wish this experience to anyone
Samantha it did take some time. First please understand, Your feelings are normal because yourr coming out of their way of thinking. When I first came out, I was having anxiety, I was worrying if members were going to come to my house etc. Its mind control. When a woman leaves her mentally abusive spouse, he has drilled in her mind, “You’ll be nothing without me”. So when he/she leaves she thinks can’t make it. Just know you’ll be fine! Your going to survive. They have lied to exmembers.
My mom recommended that I see a therapist after coming out of the cult and it helped tremendously. I was diagnosed with severe depression and a a form of PTSD, it wasn’t easy initially but this forum did go a long way to help, there’s also YouTube videos from former members you can watch. Even though I’m still not 100% but it does get better with time. I was there for eight years.
Samantha, the purpose of this site is to attack God’s coming in the flesh. Nowhere in this site tells you that Sabbath is wrong, Passover is wrong, 7 Feasts are wrong. All the prophecies that we have studied, all the regulations of the new covenant are flawless. After coming to this site, please ask yourself what is the purpose of this site. Is it to kill or to save? After slandering Father and Mother, do these people in this site teach you the way to salvation? Do they teach you to keep the new covenant? No right. They lead you to confusion and dont tell you where to go because all of these people are those who practicr lawlessness. Please get back on your senses
MY wife has been with this church for 5 years. And that 5 years is like hell to me as a husband. To me, worshiping to God makes you a better person day by day. For 5 years my wife’s attitude did not become better. She became worst. She spends most of the time in the church and neglects her responsibilities for her family – like physically taking care of the kids and spending quality time with his spouse. She escapes whenever I forbid her. Not only that she is always in her church the whole Saturday from 9AM to 11PM, she takes the children with her, trapping them in a room in their church for hours. Last night, she brought the kids to her church because it was their passover celebration. She took the kids from the house at 530PM and the service was done at 9PM. The kids has not had any food to eat. My 5 year old son was so hungry when we arrived at home and my 1 year old daughter feel asleep of exhaustion. I scolded her about it and she was just quiet as if she doesn’t know about what is wrong in the picture. And today, she is bringing again the kids. I have had enough of her already. At home, on Sundays, if she is not easily irritated with small stuff, I always catch her spaced out and talking to herself. One time, she took my 5 year old boy to bath and poured hot shower on his face. The boy was screaming and she was like “Devil! Please get out of my sons body and continued saying abuji…abuji..”
I don’t often suggest this but you might want to get the authorities involved. There is abuse happening here. If she was just going herself that would be one thing but your children are being forced into an obviously adverse situation and her actions are also physically damaging. You need to reach out for help with this situation. You have obviously been tolerate in this situation. Asking for help is no refection your strength or resolve. Time for further action to help your family.
I agree, this is not the way God would have a family behave. We teach our children the love of God, and the innocence shines through them. Hot water is alarming. Please continue to document any weird behaviors, and I would advise that you explain to your wife that church is not a healthy place for the children if they are not tended to properly. My kids were always in a classroom during services ( No more than 2 hours) snacks were provided, and a suitable adult to supervise.
You have the right to step in and protect your children. Obviously you love your wife very much, I pray that you can come to some mutual agreement to keep the children safe, and tended to at all times.
Watching our spouse change can be painful, but please don’t allow it to destroy the love and admiration you have. If it is not healthy, then you need to make some tough choices.
Hi Samantha , you are not alone many of suffered many losses in our life , but God must have a plan as why we ended up there and we should be thankful and get some good out of it , I was there almost since the beginning
I want to reach out to any of you that I could somehow help.
I know the feeling now begin the time of God’s festivals and we want to obey him , honor
Him let us all pray to him and ask for guidance that he will lead us to the right place where we won’t question things because we will know that we are in the right place .
Let us rejoice and give all thanks to the Almighty Christ JESUS
Hahahaha this is funny. That just shows they have no evidence that ahnsahnghong is wrong lol . I don’t go to that church but this website has no prove that it’s wrong lol
Acts 5:38-39 there for leave there men alone if their purpose is of human origin it will fail but if it is from God you will not be able to stop them you will only fine youselves fighting against God.
Unreal you expect people to believe your SATANIC LIES….THIS IS ALSO A WAY FOR SATAN TO KEEP HIS FOLLOWERS FROM HIS ZION,He uses INTERNET,LIES,PEOPLE YES EVEN CHILDREN…..And here is a prime example,a man who has nothing better to do then to spread HATE and LIES ABOUT a CHURCH that is ONLY TRYING TO RESTABLISH THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST,AND TO KEEP THE PASSOVER/FEASTS AND SABBATH….Not to FOLLOW IN PAGAN AND MAN WAYS OR TEACHINGS……..LIKE CONSTATINES LAW!!!AND JUST FYI ……JESUS GETS A NEW NAME AND ITS IN THE BIBLE……OPEN AND READ ITS NOT HARD AND ASIA IS ALSO IN THERE AS WELL AS HEAVENLY MOTHER…YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SAVE YOURSELF!! COME TO ZION!!!
Kelly I was in the WMS since 1998 and there are no lies hear. If the church was honest and true then there would be no one to point the finger. but the WMS leaders are leaving a trail of destruction behind them as a result of there there activities. just because it has not happened to you does not mean its not true.
As a MATTER OF FACT….HEAVENLY MOTHER DOES INCLUDE WMSCOG IN THE WE LOVE YOU CAMPIEGHN,HER SLOGAN IS USED IN ALL ZIONS ACROSS THE WORLD, SO STOP SPREADING LIES,GO LOOK AT SOME REAL MEMBER VIDEOS,ALL THE VOLUBTEERING WE DO AND WE WERE JUST AWARDED BY THE PRESIDENT FOR,WHAT DO YOU DO,BESIDES SPREADING BLASPHEMY AND HATE….NOTHING CONTINUE DOING SATANS BIDDING!!!!!!
Just a clarification. Wms was awarded the “Presidents medal of service”. Obama didnt hand it to you. The medal requires a bunch of Community Service and a 4$ registration fee. Facts. Nobody is “making up lies”. And Zhang never references anything abouy Wms in WeLuvU. Plus, God using a company, to gain praise is clearly deceptive.
1. Because the members are doing the work, NOT her. Therefore she is not being praised.
2. Hiding behind a company, again is well….Deceptive.
Have an open, unbiased and thinking mind. If this weren’t a problem for you, then why did you come here to this site? Ask yourself honestly. You know there are loopholes. You’ve probably been told conflicting stories in the church, like I was. Im not necessarily even saying “Leave”, but when we learn to stop ignoring the signs that are around us, we can make a better judgement.
@Kelly Desvoyault: Often after I ask a simple question the Wms member disappears as you have. It is really too bad because I think while printing out your answer you might see how really ridiculous it is. This church teaches that anything or anyone who keeps you from “Zion” is an agent of Satan. Therefore, if a little child cries or asks their member parent to stay home on a Saturday and play with him/her, then the member looks at that child as “Satan.” That is really horrible, really an awful thing to put into the head of a parent as they look at their child. I have heard of a young wife begging her husband not to leave, and the Wms member called her “Satan.” I am going to have to assume that this is the same way the church wants members to look at their children as well. Is this true? If not, then how is it different in your eyes, Kelly?
It’s almost 4 years…!! Once, i would like to go back 2012, Those who believes and go in WMSCOG had prophecy about the end of world by fire, earth quack eg. Once, i was in street waiting bus to go church but i caught off By the member of WMSCOG and they started me to preach about (Fig tree, Passover, Bride and Ahnsanghong) as well as the end of the world in 2012.
last day of 2011 i have visited one of the member of WMSCOG who preached me about the end of the world, while i met her, she was in deep sleep; i awake her talk about the day of end; see how she was trying to hide those prophecy by talking other things about her, her family eg. It was the last day of 2011. When the day and night ends of 2011 there was no earth quake, no any matter happening i caught her and slapped where is the earth quake, fire? She started to cry..
so, dear ones those still misinterpret Bible and believes Aansanhong pleas do remember what you have prophesied. Be assure, what you will be in Heaven or not?
Yes Kai Ting I do know. my gf was more or less raised in this religion and her family asked me to learn about it so I did and I am appalled. I’ve done online research as well as sit don with church members to hear what they say and it makes sense when they speak but only because the build bridges with words that aren’t there. they are VERY slick with their speech and they are good at leading you somewhere without you knowing. when I asked a bunch of these questions two days ago, feelings elevated and they would barely let me speak. bottom line is: questions are welcome unless you know what you’re talking about.
No it says that the same measure that you use to judge will be used to judge you. I invite this! The Lord will judge when he returns but it’s not to keep us from making judgments in the meantime. We are to test everything to see if it is of God or not. This is how most of us here know that the WMS is NOT of God.
It’s so sad that you have been fooled into thinking that there is one true Church? Where in the bible does it say that? As far as I have seen, the whole denominational discrimination thing is something Paul expressly taught against.
The bible doesn’t teach salvation through one true church, it teaches salvation through One True Jesus Christ. And as long as you’re stuck in the teachings of the wmscog, you will never see that.
Think about it, for cryin out loud – why would Jesus Have to come and die if salvation was just about following the old testament laws? Even if you say lets keep the sabbath in truth and in spirit, you’re still implying that there was really nothing wrong with the old law – people just had to keep it better… that is ridiculous. The law is there to show us how imperfect we are and how much we need Jesus to come die for us on the Cross.
Being lawless is being outside of Jesus Christ, which where you are right now.
You will delete my comments again but truth is you follow mans laws of “lords day” sunday worship Baals day of worship set by the papacy and you all know it. Where in the bible does it state that he will change the day and time only satan will. Matthew 1:19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.Here is a verse to justify,divorce. where us your verse for not obeying sabbath and keeping it holy
Sam, I don’t get you!?! You want to quote the Bible as a way of justifying divorce? It says right there “Joseph, being just a man” it doesn’t say God told Joseph to divorce! More to the point, as you read further joseph DID NOT DIVORCE because God sent an angel to Joseph instructing him not to. This verse justifies divorce? Obviously not!
24 If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3 and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4 then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.
Let us completely avoid the main case in point as well. God’s law of keeping Sabbath holy. Sunday worship is baals day of worship.
But you came here to start a “silly” debate, with mute points that prove nothing. So, can you justify the failed 2012 Prophecy that I was told? Ps…please don’t tell me, “some misunderstood the prophecy”. Can you disprove Ahn saying in his own book that “Heavenly Mother” is not a person? Im waiting….
Sam, what does one topic have to do with the other? You have Sabbath and divorce mixed in here as if you’re talking about the same thing. ??? Jesus IS the Lord of the Sabbath! Do you have some version of the Bible that tell you something different? After Jesus rose from the grave HE set the example of His followers coming together on Sundays. Again, does your version of the Bible tell you something different? I’m going to follow Jesus example! You can keep worshipping on Saturday (Which is the day of worshipping the god of Saturn!). Geez, at least the sun represents light, an awakening, the start of a new day, a rebirth,… What does your worship of the god of Saturn represent? So much for your main case! As many of my friends would say, Pathetic!
The sabbath was the old covenant correct? The hidden manna. the new covenant is through Jesus the bread of heaven is it not? Through passover. I would ask this then wwjd hmmm…Go preach in the temple on sabbath or on the day of His enemy baal. Hold passover as His very last feast in remembrance of Him, or celebrate the birth of His enemy baal dec25 hmm…? One key that many will not see is this. Both verses say unto them remembrance. Remember the Sabbath keep it Holy, take this bread in remembrance of me. Lest we forget
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Sam, I have a question for you. In regards to feast dates, did you know the wmscog celebrated the passover in the wrong month this year? The 14th day of Nisan didn’t arrive until April 22, 2016. What does it mean to you and do you see the path in the wmscog may not be leading to salvation?
Yes I was aware that they kept feast twice this year. Are you aware all your set times are through catholicism and are you aware the very defintion of catholic is “broad” ,path are they leading. (Dec25 Baals birth, vestal virgins,sunday baals day of worship, the cross if tammuz as an idol, headress of priest) Yes I am quite aware of these paths.
I believe first coming christ was born in the beginning of summer, near or at the day of Penecost. I do not follow Dec 25. The set times I follow are written in the bible.
Dear Abhishek brother… just think about… we are not ur enemy. we love to clear ur doubts.. but first of all ask your self if you go at the time of Jesus. jesus teach you with the old testament about him. could you believe that this person (Jesus) is really GOD.
and brother u talking about Jerusalem mother and want to know her. your question is good. but please meet the any member of WMSCOG and ask him about this.
when you understanding the basic knowledge and basic commandments of god. you can easily understand the hole bible. keep calm.
@GODisonlyONE.. yes your question is right. but tell me do you believe that JESUS is god….? if Yes.. then i just wanna tell you that jesus also said that god send him. He is the son of god. but on the other way according trinity Jahoa=jesus=Holy Spirit. trinity is equal then why jesus use that word. son of God even he is god himself.
But in Romans, it clearly states that he will not die again. It doesnt say, or even translate to, “die to sin again”. Jesus ascended, in the flesh according to the bible. The bible does not testifiy of hom coming again ad WMS claims. I can’t really understand your sentence, but the lies that Wms spew are piled high. We were told so many contradictory things at the church over 4 1/2 years.
No.But that also doesnt make Ahn, God. So lets switch it up;
Did Jesus marry a woman, have 4 kids, then “marry” another woman?
Did Jesus Publish a book making points toward there being no God after him?
Did Jesus fail at any End of the World prophecy?
Marybelle. You can stay in that church ALL you want. One thing as a former member I realized is this; Many members have issue with the lies, inconsistencies and the going ons in WMS. Due to the fact that they WANT an experience as close to being accurate as possible, they stay. I have had many conversations with other members when I was a member. The holes in the logic are there.
As a matter of fact Jesus DID openly claim to be God. This is why He was put to death. Reading the Bible is very enlightening about this! Members of the WMSCOG might want to try this.
I can’t help but feel the aches in everyone’s hearts who are being affected by this so called church..My brother and younger sister are involved and it countinously drives a barrier between are family. They literally will spend every moment in that church and if they dare not show up or miss a day a so called brother or sister from that church is knocking at their door, this has happend multiple times in my witness.I am nervous for the safety of my nieces and nephews as they do sit in a down stairs so called nursery or class ALL DAY! And are forced to stay awake during service..My sister and I were in a grocery store where three women were pretending to shop and approached us at 9pm and told us to go back to their church to study! And believe me they were not taking no for an answer they will stock you! It has taking many tears and arguments to make my siblings understand that Jesus Christ is the only son of God that I will ever praise!.. Please I need help I fear things are escalating I feel these people are plotting something , it’s so secretive I’ve found out only certain members can watch certain videos that show supposable end of time footage needless to say they prey in Korean and nobody’s Korean their :/
Yes you’re right he did rise Resurrection day (easter sunday) the bible says? Because the bible did say Istar sunday right? Just like the bible says his birthday is dec25 right? We are both looking at the Holy Bible right? you’re quite right. Was that every Sunday or the Sunday after Passover? Look close for it is a parable here as all our savours doings are. He didn’t come to abolish the laws but to fulfill (his words) or your friends words? If you see Him (Lord of Sabbath) reaping in the field on Sabbath it was (his day) to gather his wheat (followers). Lord of Sabbath not of sunday that is Ba’al. But your friends are right continue to follow them. I am pathetic,.As like he explained to the jews that fallen away from God’s law and stook by mans (their friends ) traditions.
You speak everything right yet you do not understand. You said it right there, sunday day of light (1st day/alpha) rebirth. Lord of Sabbath (passover/omega) not lord of sunday. Prophecy. His parable of gathering the wheat in field/ David eating the bread of heaven on Sabbath.
Sam, your acceptance of this groups way of interpreting the scriptures is unacceptable. Show me where Jesus taught His followers about a god the mother or re-inspect the scriptures without the influence of the WMSCOG and discover what is really being said. This scripture twisting has got to stop! Do this or condemn yourself with your own lack of Godly wisdom. Sorry if this seems harsh but you need to take the WMSCOG blinders off.
Hi Thanks all
even my family cousins got into this cult.we are indians and protestants from 6 generations luthrens. they are spreading their false teaching here too.Three question i ask. if zhanggiljha is their almighty why she uses hearing aids and cant speak any other language than korean. second what new knowledge or testament these both got to teach this world. third religion never has recession or market fall. it thrives in it, every nook n corner we have sadhus,swamis.mullas. n end time pastors.But the voice of the lord jesus Christ we follow. wish sometime jesus christ had given us sword like the cult of mohammmed. But he said REVENGE is HIS
Hi,
I am Prabha from India.My sister came across some one from WMSCOG in college, she became a believer there, systematically everything in my house changed, my parents changed, few of my relatives changed… even I am badly forced to change… but I still want to stand firm for the Lord. I am hated by my own family. Please help me with some evidences and material to bring them back to the Lord. Please.
Let the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus rise.Amen.
Ughhh I dislike finding out later when people are RIGHT…..and Iam not however shamed to come say 1)I’m sorry for my Comment…2) Found out only thing that MATTERS TO WMSCOG Is NUMBERS BARING FRUITS and Numbers in $$$ I gave my very LAST $10 a single mom struggling and left a bad SITUATION,did Fundraisers Sick all in the name God I asked my Zion please would you mind helping me HOLD A G.SALE They told me to go to Welfare and the Food Bank…lol wow in shock and disbelief I left that Church as I gave Away all my bottles,f old and Money to help others it was no recieves well when A Sister was in need and sadly I walked away Jesus would never do that ……Zhang poor woman Led astray too so please don’t condemn her,she like me,Like Most are Mislead….only HEAVENLY MOTHER N FATHER WE HAVE IS MARY N JESUS….once again O do Apologize to ANYONE AFFECTED BY WMSCOG I’ve been Deprogramming myself since ……
Thanks for coming back here to comment Kelly. It seems like you found out early what the Wmscog is really about. Your last comment in April sounded as though you were adamant that people critical of the church were liars. What made you come here and comment in April, if I may ask? Were you instructed to, or did you come out of curiosity? How did you hear of this site?
I am happy that you found out about this group early and that you have freedom now. Good luck to you, and to anyone else who finds their way out.
You use Creation to argue your point but when you read the end of each day it says there was evening then morning showing God did all His creation work during the daylight! Even Jesus said are there not 12 hours of sunlight? It is at night when a man stumbles. If you read Matthew27v46 in the KJV,ASV and ESV Bibles ut says Jesus gave up His Spirit at the 9th hour. Other versions say 3 in the afternoon. If what you’re saying is correct it should say He died at the 21st hour being 6 o clock is considered dusk. To understand correctly the Law of Christ changed all of the worship regulations beginning with the beginning of the day. This is why our Sabbath begins on Saturday not Friday evening.
Why does mother make children keep 5am service for feasts? Is that in the bible. It’s unfair children have to suffer like that. They are so exhausted on schooldays during the feast.
This article disregards baptism in the name of the holy spirit Matt 28:19. Also; what about Revelation 3:12?. Salvation is found in no other name than Jesus. But that doesn’t mean that the trinity does not exist. It also doesn’t mean Isaiah 43 is lying when talking of the Father Jehovah and salvation coming from him.? In fact both are true. According to the age each name is revealed. To the glory of the former. If they are all 3 truly one and the same God over all.
I like you attitude Kevin. You seem understanding. You are a member and you are able to talk to us. Members and ex-members are not perfect when commenting on this site. Some have gone to the extreme. I understand if you believe the teachings from the korean zion’s, you’ll also go out and defend it. If we can continue to talk that is great.
I have a question for you, are the leaders of your church looking to make peace between all of us ex-members and them?
The 3 ages the Korean zions teach is an interpretation. Personally, I’ve been finding a lot of errors in the teachings.
For example, Jesus in Rev 5:7 takes the scroll from Him who is seated on the throne. Jesus takes the scroll from God. As Jesus once said “my God and your God.” Also he is described as “a Lamb looking as if it had been slain.” There only one Lamb, and that is Jesus who died on the (roman) cross. Therefore the point I’m making is this is not Ahn. I don’t believe he is Father, nor is he the one who took the scroll from God. Ahn was not slain, he wasn’t the passover lamb. Also, Jesus taking the scroll happens before disasters overtake the earth. It can’t be Ahn.
Thanks for the information about this organization .Hope they can read about what’s going on with their future and with their families . God is real and they are a bunch of liers.
I was a member for a couple of months in South Africa and I tell you this message is the furthest thing from the Gospel of truth which is the Good news in Christ Jesus. I was so conflicted and felt like I had to earn my way into heaven with all these old rituals and spending the entire day at church bible studying. They try and wear you down with all of these teachings and bait you with the basics of Christianity then twist it all and then bring on their revelations! At first glance it appears to make sense, but there are so many inconsistencies and once you start asking questions it’s the devil working in you. The leaders wanted to ship me off to Korea to meet mother but first I had to fill in a form with all my hobbies and likes and names of parents and other personal information, so that there would be some sort of revelation once I met her, she would know me and what I liked. There was an issue at one of the Universities where they had been banned and when I asked about it, it was hushed and no proper answer was given.(mind you they didn’t know I knew they had been kicked out) I just asked why they were no longer going there. To make a long story short I was still conflicted after so many inconsistencies and one night in tears prayed to God to reveal the truth to me. I sat on my bed with my bible and asked God to please show me the truth. God reveled his truth in the most miraculous way by me opening the bible to Jeremiah 7 which is titled “False Religion is Worthless” and even more direct paragraph 18 makes reference to a Heavenly Queen which the people were praising which angered God! What a powerful revelation straight from God, he heard my cries.
I urge everyone like the bible says to test the spirit. What I learnt out of the whole experience is study your bible, don’t just believe what anybody tells you.
God is faithful, we are righteous through faith in Jesus Christ who came to set us right with God and if we focus on him and his free gift of grace, as all fall short of the glory of God we will be saved.
Jesus is the realisation of our faith and the truth the way and the life, and he has borne all our sins and paid the price for our sins. That is why he will be praised and exalted forever and we should never forget the cross.
The devil will even twist the words of God and use it to confuse you.
I was so fearful of eternal condemnation and the world ending, and felt like I was being worn out and could not attain everlasting life through my works. God does not give us a spirit of fear, yet that is what I felt. Fear and guilt.
You are set free through Christ, how wonderful to know what a friend we have in Jesus and that we are nolonger under the law which brings death, but under Jesus who forfilled the law in his holiness. Through one man came all sin and through another came complete restoration, redemption and reconciliation with God.
I will continue to pray for anybody who feels confused and conflicted that God in his infinite mercy and perfect timing will reveal The Truth.
very interesting to read and understand the facts of people’s life. If we read BIBLE and study and meditate will never fail in the cults. Let us read and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Pray for lost brothers and sisters…
Sam listen to Godly me who have been in the faith for a long time. You are in danger of blashfiefing the Holy Spirit get away and repent and ask for forgiveness These men are trying to help you get away from a dangerous cult.
You do not believe in keeping feast. What is your point? Your “knowledge” is in error greatly. People who are led astray by this post lack biblical knowledge. But this is your job, to sit behind a computer and try to hinder the gospel work which will NEVER happen vastly. Little by little weak souls tremble at your insults but the WMSCOG continues to grow.
Nate, you believe the WMSCOG is growing? Obviously you don’t understand Gods Word very well if you are still in this group. Let me clue you in on something that is obvious to real followers of God, in the end times there will be a great falling away from the things of God. If your group is growing it’s not because of a great following of God! You are partaking in the great falling away and being mislead into worship of strange doctrines and false gods. You still have the opportunity to come out of the trappings of the WMSCOG and their man made doctrines and misleading’s. I hope you will but at the very least you can no longer claim before God Almighty that you didn’t know the truth.
Your argument is called an “ad hominem”.. Nowhere did you attack the argument. This is very telling. Also, he was not using Wiki as his main source. He used other sources as well. When explaining how the Jewish calendar is different from the Gregorian calendar, the admin advised to look at the Wikipedia explanation of it.
Jesus established the New Covenant and yes, He has made it very open to all people. How did you get trapped into this strange doctrine that Gods Word warns us of?
What a great testimony. It is honest and causes one to reflect at how we as Christians need to make the message plain. I encourage this girl to just trust in God and know that the Lord is not the author of confusion. I had never heard of this church until tonight when I saw a store front church and talked to a member. When she shared a few doctrines, they seemed a bit flaky to me. I know it is easy to get confused and takes years to study Scripture but my advice us always to take a trusted friend to places like this and study Scripture to test what us true. I am older though so not easily swayed.
wow!
I got baptized in this false church called WMSCOG and after being baptized I felt soooo guilty because they didn’t really answer my questions. When I started attending this church on saturdays and doing bible studies I felt like I was in jail because they would tell me that it will only take 30 min and it ended up taking like 5hours. The other thing is, they never got to hear what I have to say, they were right and I was wrong always. Now, everything they showed me looked true, but deep inside I couldn’t accept their teachings, new christ and that korean woman that they worship. this was because the way they taught the bible was by taking parts of the bible and connecting them to make everything seem true and follow. For “God the Mother” there is hardly not evidence to prove that what so ever. However, as time went by, is like the members of the church couldn’t let me breath, they wanted me to study all the time and be in church, they texted me all the time to know what I was doing. I tried to explain to them that I am a college student and I need to get my work done, but it seemed like they were not happy when I said that, they kind ignored it. When I spoke to some members of the church, most of them don’t work or don’t to school anymore because they were taught that the world is about to end and this church is the only thing that going to save them. I was also taught the world is about to end the whole time I was there, which nobody on this earth know when as the bible explains. well, I left this church because I believe that Jesus Christ the one who died for my sins saves! I also believe that he conquered death so we can have internal life and he will never die again, but Ash died long time. It’s very hard to convince the members of the church the truth because they are taught to never listen to anyone as soon as they join because that is satan trying to win your soul. This is the biggest problem that is installed in the members of the church. I also realized that some of the members of church attends but inside they have a lot of questions. This church also have subjects of each topic that the members of the church or only aloud to teach. The members of the church don’t really know most of the bible teachings they only teach what they are taught by doing practices on how to deceive people. I never felt God in this church, which is why I left. Anyway, there is so much in this church to talk about that I personally saw and experienced , I can write forever. I am not trying to discourage anyone but my final words would be for those who are attending this church to also open their ayes and study the bible for themselves to know the truth for themselves because the missionary’s are going to give you more doctrines to make more confused.
This is exactly what people must do. Study for themselves, not with people standing over themselves telling them what to think. My son said, and I quote,”They aren’t telling me what to think.” I said, “Of course they are. You didn’t think of some Korean woman being God before they told you to think that.” Really, would anyone just come up with that by themselves? And of course, they have told him everything to do and to think ever since.
Is there any prophecy in the bible which indicates that millions of people will go and see Jesus’ tomb? If there is none, why would people do when He came again? Just a thought.
Father did say that all will be tested at His Second Coming. This post does not discredit Father and Mother but only rants about being lied to by such and such. But what if all of this happened to test your faith? Think about it seriously, whether you were told that Father and Mother was married in the first place or it was not told, does it discredit all the prophecies you had studied about the Spirit and the bride? Or because of “being lied to-excuse” made you fall? Maybe your faithwas not established on the rock when the waves of trials come to you and you are now swept away by the waves(water=people). Even now, Father’s words in “green book” are being fulfilled. Amazing our Father Ahnsahnghong is!
Will this post of mine be deleted or be transferred to another page by the admin? I really hope it would not. Pretty please? :> because my aim is to let others know or re-examine – what if it happened according to the will of God? This website does not attack all the Feasts of the New Covenant that Father restored. This website only attack God’s coming in the flesh but never the truths He restored. Because how can they attack it? It is flawless. Poor Jewish leaders of this age! You are also fulfilling the prophecies of the Bible without your notice.
And btw im just curious, all of you who attack WMS, what kind of truths do you keep? All of you who left Father and Mother, what kind of worship/feast do you keep?
We are aware that we are fulfilling Bible prophecies. What we have done is shed light on false teachings, doctrines, and gods of the creation of the WMSCOG. Ahn cannot be God and it has been proven. Because Ahn is NOT God then the fairy tail of your god revealing hidden truth falls apart. God did not reveal a supposed god the mother so your man made created god the mother isn’t based in truth. Flawless??? You have a pretty lame definition of flawless! I know this reply puts you on edge but I hope you can open your blind eyes and discover the real truth before it’s too late. You’ve been spoon fed a lie and now you are doing just like Ahn did and you’re repeating it because you think it’s the truth. Please do some research . The TRUTH will lead you out of this group. I hope sooner rather than later. May God guide your path.
Here’s what discredits Ahn as being God. Would God worship false gods and/or teachings outside of the Bible? Ahn did for around thirty years! Prior to following his own mother into the Seventh Day Adventist group Ahn was a Buddhist. No chance that God would be subject to something like that much less do it for around thirty years. Would God join a group that was created by a false prophet whos teachings sometimes contradict the Bible? Would God repeat those teachings to others? The answers are NO and NO. Ahn did both of these things for years. Ahn even continued many of the SDA’s teachings after he created his own church! There is NO chance what-so-ever that Ahn was God. The final proof comes in the fact that Ahn died. There is no place in the Bible, without taking it EXTREAMLY out of context, where it says that Jesus Christ will die again! This idea has been tested and it has failed! Ahn did not even suggest that he could be God. He suggested that he was Elijah reborn.
Yes what every they have mentioned is happened to me and my children’s but Almighty God Jesus only have to help them and our family. My wife also has the same attitude, behaviour, abusive to children. My faith on Jesus Christ will show them a lesson if very few days this is for sure
I agree, banks, and I don’t think most people with a loved one in the wmscog tells them they are going to burn in hell. However, that is most definitely what the member has told them. Also that they can’t trust them, and that they don’t know anything.
Trying to talk to them about the Bible is useless. I am no Bible scholar, but even those I know who are could not talk any sense into them. You can’t talk scriptures with people who are trained not to listen to you. In fact, they will shut you out very quickly if you try to talk to them about the Bible or quote scriptures to them. They all think they know better. It’s sad, but the arrogance and persecution come from the teachings of the wmscog. It would all be very simple if we could just use the word of God, as you say, and then that’s enough evidence that you aren’t talking down to them. It most definitely isn’t to them.
So far I’ve seen that nothing works except an intervention or the time comes when even THEY can’t believe the B.S. they are spewing anymore. And interventions don’t always work either. I think after they are in a certain amount of time, you lose that window of opportunity, too.
I also love some people in the wmscog. I don’t say everyone because I don’t know everyone, and I don’t love the leaders. It’s just a sad chapter in my life I wish was over, and it may never be because there is too much money involved in scamming members,and the leaders want to bleed them dry, in my opinion.
hypocrites, you all still do not know.everything is happening like at the time of Jesus. Judgement is delayed because of you all.. poisoning the mind of all people..
Judgement is being delayed? How did we supposedly FORCE God to delay His judgement? This is NOT even possible! Even more, wouldn’t the poisoning of peoples minds by all of us outsiders make God want to judge us for our wrongdoings? ggegegegege please wake up and look at what you are being told. Things don’t add up!
No ggegegegege, everything is NOT happening like at the time of Jesus. For one major thing, Jesus performed miracles. Ahnsahnghong didn’t, and the “Mother” doesn’t either. And those who follow the Bible don’t just follow anyone that others say is Jesus. The Bible warned us about that. It says there will be many false prophets. Unfortunately, the Wms members don’t know they are being deceived by false prophets. And by Koreans who want their money and laugh at them for being so easily fooled into giving it all. I wish it wasn’t so, but it is.
I’m praying for the true and living God to comfort all of you from the hurt that this cult has caused you. I am an evangelical minister and I too was approached by 4 people in this cult today at Wal-Mart in Houston, TX. They asked me if they could have my number so that they could have Bible study with me and invite me to church. I immediately felt the unction of the Holy Spirit and told me it was a cult. I told the ladies that I could take their number and after I speak to the Holy Spirit and research their organization, I may give her a call. They looked puzzled and relectantantly agreed to wait on my call. So I researched and saw what the cult REALLY believes and I knew they were planning to eventually tell me that the founder’s wife is really the Holy Spirit. I used to belong to a cult 4 years ago so I knew it was demonic teaching. God bless you for sharing your comments and experiences to enlighten us all and to warn others. Thank you.
Hi,
I am arvind from India.My brother came across some one from WMSCOG in college, he became a believer there, I and my family is badly forced to change⊠but we still want to stand firm for the Lord. Please help me with some evidences and material to bring them back to the Lord. Please.
Let the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus rise.Amen.
im sorry …we are going to heaven soon while you are still looking at physical aspects
kkkkkkkkkkk im so sorry for your bisaed information,,,,, you dont even know anything yet you claim to know….. come to WMSCOG and receive eternal life , we love you though you fight against GOD the time is near,,,you qwill see for yourself on judgement day,,,,, repent your sins now
I am the mother of our 18 year old son who was “Baptized” into this church about a month ago. I hardly recognize him anymore. He won’t listen to everyday music, no T.V., and when we discuss scripture and the Bible, he begins to tremble and shake. He has tried numerous times to get me. When I agreed to go to his church I was told I would first have to meet and be approved by “Leo” his Pastor. Big RED FLAG there. I refused to be screened so I haven’t gone. I am terribly worried about him. He is/was a very good, too kind, gullible young man who is usually very intelligent, but this church is running him ragged and for some reason he loves it. He is enrolled in college and is almost finishing a program in which he can attain his high school diploma and attain college credits at the same time. Now he is considering dropping school for the love of God and church. I am worried sick, and I mean that literally. I suffer with Fibromyalgia and Shingles. I’m sure that he must now think that I suffer for past and present sins. Both conditions are aggravated by stress and I am having a real hard time with them since my son became a member of this church. I don’t know where to turn for help. Does anyone have any suggestions? Where do I start to try and deprogram him. He fights snow storms and commutes on public transportation to and from his church, which is at least 30 miles from home. They take up all of his time. We really need advice, please help.
Oh my goodness her story closely parallel ours concerned Ning our daughter. If there is anyone out there that could help two grieving parentsover her involvement with this group. Please please contact us.
I am here to set the record straight. I was told by the missionary at my current Zion, that the world could not go past 2012.
This was taught to me as prophecy in the year 2010 until 2012.
After 2012 passed they had all of us go to a meeting in Chicago Zion,
where we were “educated” that Father AhnSahngHong never said the world would end in 2012.
Here is my issue. If Father never said it, WHY did a Deacon, a Deaconess and the Missionary ALL say things over and over
throughout those years that “IMPLIED” that the world would end “VERY SOON” as if it could not go past 2012?
I even received a text message from a Deacon in the year 2010 or 2011, that instructed me to go and “prepare” water, food, and other supplies for World War 3!
I only had a flip phone (dumb phone) not a smart phone. so I don’t have a screen shot, but if I can find my old phone, I will
definitely take a screen shot with my newer phone, to prove the truth that various title holding members, DID teach me a prophecy that the world had
end on OR before 2012.
Also, the Missionary even preached a SERMON on the Sabbath, around March 2012 (or a 3rd day) in the which he said, in his Korean accent VERBATIM:
“Even if Father comes late and late, do you think He will come December 31?”
I have been having major disagreements with this church for a while now, and was ALMOST given an ultimatum to leave, because I have started to study the Bible for myself now, without just BELIEVING whatever PHILOSOPHY they have INDOCTRINATED me with.
I actually was hoping they were NOT LIARS, but it seems that the TRUTH has come to light whether they or I want it to or not.
What should I do? I know one thing. I should NOT cover up lies. What to do?
Sorry, I wanted to post directly to this article, not just reply to someone else.
Also, It was so evident that 2012 was a REAL teaching in this church, that other members from other Zions told me similar stories about buying extra water, food, and supplies to prepare for 2012.
If AhnSahngHong did NOT teach the 2012 end of the world lie, His so-called members / prophets should not have lied to me as well as others.
One brother and I even tried to rationalize the 2012 prophecy in early 2013 by questioning whether Father meant that the world had to end in the actual solar calendar year 2012, or if it could mean the SACRED calendar year 2012 which did not end until March (spring) of 2013!
Obviously, that time is now long past as well.
At the very least, I now doubt whether the things they have taught me about AhnSahngHong are true or not, since I never met him in person. It is sad and wrong!
Lee, I’m glad to see that the real truth is becoming obvious to you. It is far better when a member chooses to leave the WMS instead of being kicked out and told not to return. Point of fact is that you have been abused by this group! It’s understandable that you would have liked for the WMS to be the truth and it is also understandable that you would try to find justification to try and make it so. It is a natural instinct. Please don’t feel bad about it. Now is the time that you need to discover life outside of the lies of the WMS. I would encourage you to put aside all of the books and teachings of the WMS for now. I would also encourage you to go out and buy yourself a new Bible preferably one with multiple translations in it. (Mine has four in one.) Many of the things you have been taught have been mistranslated. Most of the time this happens I have found that the offending group is using the NIV. The NIV is the version that the WMS uses! Find a Bible that will give you a bigger picture of what the Bible means. I hope I have encouraged you in some way. please visit the forum and PM some of the people there as many of them are willing to talk and help if they can.
T.H., Thank you. I agree with you about how groups use the NIV to twist and mistranslate scripture. I was asked (instructed) to get an NIV when I came to WMSCOG, even though I was fluent and comfortable with the KJV Bible.
What hurts the most is that they have removed failed prophecies from their books which they claim were written by God Himself.
How can a true church subtract words from such an important book?
It is not easy separating myself, but I am now studying the Bible without their biased influence.
Thanks again for your advice.
Hi Continuous. So happy you found your way out of the Wms. Enjoy your freedom, and I am also happy you continue to read your Bible without their influence. I want to join T.H. in inviting you to join the forum part of this site. I would like to contact you if possible, even if just to send you a private message.
words can’t explain what I am going through, my relationship is broken because of this. nothing works, doesn’t matter how much you explain or try to motivate them to get out from this cult. I’m so depressed about this and I don’t know what to do. I do love her but the same time nothing is working. I am so happy to find this forum!
Jacob, go to the forum and post there. You will make many contacts who can provide support. I am very sorry for what you have gone through. It sounds like the typical experience non members have when trying to get their loved ones to see how manipulative and destructive this group is.
I am on a quest for the Truth as I have recently become a member of the WMSCOG but am starting to question the belief that Christ Ahnsahnghong is God. Do you mind listing every place in the scriptures it talks about How to Recognize 2nd Coming. I would like to discuss it privately to the lady who introduced me to her church. She believes it with all her heart which is why I even talked to her in the first place, but if these things are true, then I have no option but to leave and inform certain members that they are on the wrong path.
Anonymous, right above your post here, listed as number 3 under “Related Posts” will give you all kinds of information that you asked for.
Honestly, just knowing that they are saying God is a Korean woman walking around now as we speak in Korea is God should be enough to make you RUN not walk away from this “church.” As you said, you really do have no option but to leave and inform the members they are mistaken to believe these teachings. But don’t expect them to actually hear what you are saying. They are under mind control, and they are not going to want to hear that they have been wasting their time.
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I’m just glad I’m out of that church. It was actually cool, the first time I came, until oneday we were singing hymns and the hymn was like “Aangsahng our father”, and the day I found out Mother is some lady in Korea. My friends are also lost. Now they think every church is false except Zion. Btw I’m from South Africa.
I have a daughter who has joined recently, she has totally changed, I have no idea what to do, it is so sad to see her like this it breaks my heart,I have no idea what to do anymore, she is learning arabiac because they want her to go to Egypt to preach. She is only 19 years, is there any ex members out there in South Africa(Cape Town)please that I can contact. We are constantly fighting and she is drifting apart.
My boyfriend has been completely brainwashed. A week ago he was approached by a member of wmscog and invited to a bible study that night. They baptized him that same night. We date long distance during the school year because we are in college still. He come home on the weekends to see me and his family. He’s always been so loving and such a good family guy. We are christian, grew in Christian schools. He’s been going to those bible studies for a week now. He’s already quit football and is distanced himself so much in just these few days. I have spoken with him over the phone and he sounds like a robot. It’s completely heart breaking how someone you love and care about just seems to be gone. His family is heartbroken about all of this. We miss him so much and just want him to come back to reality. Although when we speak he sounds tired and not happy at all. He got lured into thinking he was joining the church of God. Like a Christian denomination. He has such a God heart after God but he has been deceived and says he is convinced this is the only way to eternal life. I don’t know what to do anymore. This is the hardest thing I have ever had to face.. it’s like he’s gone. I need help. Someone please help me.
What studies have they done with him already? The Sabbath is Saturday? The beast is the Pope or the Catholic church? Both of these studies are heavily flawed. Get him to do some research outside of this group! He’s going to discover that they lied to him! If he’s not too far in then this should bring him out. He also needs to discover that Ahn was a Buddhist prior to becoming a Seventh Day Adventist. Would God ever worship a false god? Absolutely Not!
They have done all of those. He still keeps daily contact with me . Calls me everyday and talks to his family. The first week he was short to communicate with us but now he’s back to normal on how he communicates with me. I’m wondering if they will soon tell him to cut all communication with us. Although he did inform me that he is going to stay in that city to keep attending that church. He wants to stay together and has also promised not to try in converting me to this religion.. he has been very respectful about not pushing on me. Which I’m just curious if this is normal behavior for someone involved in this? I will try and talk him into doing some research outside of the group.
I’m trying to keep contact with him and be as loving as possible. His family as well. Trying to be his friend and keep that trust between us. I will talk to him about doing some research out side the group. Hopefully I can get him to see the truth!
I hope you have lots of success with this. Do some prep work yourself as well. A lot of these teachings come directly from the Seventh Day Adventist group. The whole Roman Catholic Empire thing is riddled with flaws. Why would anyone misquote facts if they were not trying to manipulate somehow. Show him that this group has everything to gain from manipulating him while at the same time you don’t have anything to gain except knowing that he is no longer being manipulated. Keep loving him and keep the communication flowing.
Hefzyba, what you are doing is good. Your boyfriend is not in too far, so you have a good chance to talk to him now. This time is crucial. Be assured, even though he is not trying to convert you now, he will in the future. They (the leaders) will insist on that eventually. Their thinking changes because of the demands on their time and the only influence they have is that of the church/members/leaders.
What I see happening as their membership goes on, is a lot of mid directed anger. The members profess to be so happy, but they are not at all after the initial honeymoon period. They can’t show their unhappiness or anger at church or to leaders or members, so they take it back to their families. Even those who marry other devout members seem to have an underlying unhappiness and anger issues. They can’t attribute it to the church, so they misdirect it to their mates. It’s very sad. I hope your boyfriend won’t try to misdirect his anger to you, but I would be on the lookout and be prepared to deal with it in the best way possible.
I am visiting Korea this summer and I was approached by a lady at a crosswalk while I was walking through Gangnam to find K-pop entertainment buildings, and let’s just say I let her bring me to her “Zion” because I was lowkey board. They started explaining the Bible to me from a new prospective and I a bit awestruck. Then they started telling me about Jesus having already returned.
Then they told me that I needed to be baptized in Christ “new name”. And like an idiot I let them. I regret it so much.
I’m only 19 and I’m here in Korea alone which I think made me seem like an easy target. But, little did they know that even though I may seem young and naive I have a pretty deep relationship with the ONE and only TRUE GOD. After the baptism I was still praying in Jesus Christ name because I didn’t know I was supposed to be praying in Ahnsonghong and heavenly mother’s names. But I prayed for God to open my heart and eyes to the truth that day. I continued to pray after that day this prayer for about the last 2 weeks because honestly I felt really confused so I kept asking God for wisdom. And God came through this past Tuesday. It was after the 3rd day service that I was curious and wanted to know more so I simply googled the church because I was aware that they had a website. I was going to read about my next “lesson” and I ended up reading their whole wikipage and Ahnsonghong’s wikipage. That’s when I realized that I was being brainwashed and lied to. The fact that this “church” even dares to go against the teachings of the one who they believe is the 2nd coming of Christ.
I feel absolute disgust towards the fact that they were really trying to brainwash me, and I was unaware but I was allowing it to happen. But I truly believe that Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, so there is no need for a 3rd day service to cleanse ourselves of our sins.Also we are saved by grace, which is a free gift so all this community service is nice but it doesn’t get us to heaven. But boy, they really be trying to recruit people. I’m from the US. I can read Korean but I understand very little. So during services they would give me a device with an earpiece so that I could have a live translation of the sermon while I am sitting in the pew. There would be a member in a room during the services speaking into a speaker interpreting the Korean so that I could understand it.
But anyway I need advice for how to get out of my current situation? I just can’t believe that I was almost pulled away from God to worship a false God. I never remembered their prayer of wishes anyways. But I refuse to pray in false Gods names. I literally broke into tears after I realized what was happening to me. I feel so uncomfortable there now.
Well in South Africa these guys seem to be growing fast. I don’t know how I was not deceived by them. I was sitting in their church, the day after their passover this year, I don’t even know how allowed then to baptize me. They got me . Anyway As we were singing their hymns, their hymn was like “ahn sahng hong our father”. I ignored it cause I thought it was like father in a sense that he found church, and I also saw an old lady in one of their pictures (you can see she’s leading them somehow in the picture, if you don’t know who mother is) . Later that day my friend was talking about the passover, and said “luckily mother allowed the second passover. I have to get my whole family here, otherwise they won’t be saved.”. That’s when I connected the dots, and immediately knew he talking about the old lady. I went to do research when I got to my flat later that day, on simple things like elohim. It’s funny cause even false Gods they use elohim in the Bible translated from Hebrew. Also the lords prayer, “Says our father”. When you show them the evidence, they end confusing you with scriptures. These guys can get you if you don’t double check. My friend is in deep. He doesn’t double check, cause they warned us not to. So he’s still in there.
That is the biggest thing they have going for them. They are able to spoon feed someone their spin and call it the “truth”. The new convert is so confused and overwhelmed they don’t know who to trust. This group tells them things like, “You’ve been lied to by other churches for your entire life! Don’t even talk to those deceivers. They are followers of lies and the father of lies is Satan! All of the other churches are following Satan.” Then they continue to tell them that they love them and that mother loves them blah, blah, blah. If people would simply do some research prior to committing to this group they would save themselves and their loved ones a lot of grief and torment. I’m glad you had enough sense to look at these things for yourself without allowing them to just spoon feed you everything they wanted you to believe. Well done.
I am currently in this church and can not believe what I am hearing. When I first got baptized, I heard the words Christ Ahnsahnhong and knew right away that I was about to be stuck in a cult. I don’t know why I agreed to join in the first place, but I soon started to believe everything they said and now I don’t know how to get out. I tell my parents everytime that the wmscog are worshipping false christs; but they never seem to listen and just ingore it. They are not in the church themselves’ but I am scared that I would be stuck with them forever,I also am having financial struggles and desperately want to get out.
If anyone can help me, I would appreciate some advice đ
Read some New Testimate my guy !!! Your ” disproving evidence” is just a full display of your biblical ignorance. You clearly don’t know the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ. When Jesus ate the Passover in Marks upper room he established a New covenant that gives life through this his flesh and blood making the covenant entrusted to Moses on mount Sinai obsolete. Read the book of luke since you say “everything’s taken out of context” read the book of Hebrews also, so you can know that Christ had to come a second time not to judge the world but to bring salvation but how can we have salvation if we can’t eat his flesh and blood which is said to give us eternal life? Historical proof shows the Passover that Jesus established was abolished (325AD council of Nica )Which is why Christ came a second time. To bring back the Passover of the new covenant along with the 6 other feast. Not the feasts the physical Israelites or Jews practice, those are pointless in this genertion. No other church has the Passover of the new covenant that gives everlasting life and the 6 feast the Jesus Christ established. Except the church of god , spiritual mount Zion. Read Hebrew for sure. One question I have thought. If you say the seven thruders aren’t commands from god, then what do you say they are? Where is your perfect explanation? Oh wait you don’t have one because all you have is opinionated based hate, not factual evedidnce in the Bible !
You are not the first one to come here and say this kind of stuff. You are trying to act as if you have some kind of authority or somehow you have obtained hidden knowledge. I’ll bet that sounds familiar, “Hidden Knowledge”. This is one of the major signs that you are in a control group! Here’s something else that proves you are in a control group, “Historical proof shows the Passover that Jesus established was abolished (325AD council of Nica )” your words. There is NO historical proof that the Passover was abolished! All you have is what this group has told you is proof. It is obvious, like so many before you, that you have not done any research on this. You have taken what you have been told and are regurgitating it to us. If you had done any research you would have discovered that this group has lied to you! They continue to lie to you, and the father of lies is Satan which is what they follow! How’s that for a perfect explanation!?! Factual evidence? Yes, I agree that you need some and I don’t say that out of hate or opinion. How about the six other feast you talk about? The ones that were supposedly written on the back of the tablets which the ten commandments were written on? You’ve already stated that Jesus sacrifice and New Covenant made the Law of Moses obsolete. That includes those supposed feast! Do you really need to be entrapped by these practices to feel like you have the truth? I don’t hate, I feel sorry for you. Sorry if you felt that your paragraph above was some kind of proof. There is so much more that you need to discover before you know the “TRUTH”. You can do it and I hope that you do. Research everything that you have been taught so far and most importantly do your research away from their influence! They have many years of manipulation practice and are very well versed in how to twist things to make them appear right. Just a hint for you, if what they tell you, share with you, and/or teach you makes you feel confused it’s probably your conscience telling you it’s wrong! God gave you that defense mechanism! Don’t ignore it! Good luck.
Hmm, when one says Christ abolished Moses covenant/law, its kind of a misleading statement without exposition. Christ still wants us to follow the Commandments, which include observation of Passover, (something that instills God as absolute authority over your life, above earthly things or other religious ideas, or if you’d like to call them demons) it’s like reconfirming your faith, Passover. But Christ still followed the 10 commandments, he just uses a different priesthood of faith, as opposed to the levitical priesthood that the Jews still try to follow. Following the feasts have meaning in both priesthoods, and well the original Church of God did follow them, since it was still created from prior followers of levitical priesthood, and the feasts all transition over properly to New Covenant. Shadow and Reality is agreed upon by most christian denominations. So far, the only real problem with WMSCOG is what they currently believe about Ahnsonghong and what the concept of Mother God really means to them. As I was taught, New Jerusalem is what they consider Mother God, as Jerusalem gets married to Christ at the end of Revelation. Inside the church there are plaques called “teachings of Mother” but noone has tried to explain what that is, or tried to tell me there is some physical person that represents mother as Ahnsonghong represents second coming Christ. I don’t understand why they would call Ahnsonghong father in their Hymnals and prayers when Paul never referred to Jesus as Father. I’m still picking their brains to see if I truly see the truth in everything, but so far what they do on the community level is very tame and has basis in the bible/is consistent with the teachings of Ahnsonghong that Ive been taught so far.
It seems obvious that you have not been as they say blessed with their hidden knowledge. In the forum there is a topic that talks about what really happened at Jesus last Passover. It is a wonderful beautiful story that the WMSCOG does not embrace. It doesn’t match up with their theory of god the mother. So far I imagine that you have been taken all over the Bible to select verses to support what they want you to believe. This is very dangerous and the best advice that anyone can give you at this point is to get out right away! This also is addressed by the WMSCOG early on when they tell you that others are going to try and take the “truth” away from you or try to tempt you away from the “truth”. This is a control mechanism! Don’t fall for it! You need to research for yourself, away from this groups influence, what is right. What really is the “Truth”! Their god the father, god the mother idea falls apart every way that they describe it. The forum has a lot of information about that as well. The topic is, “There’s no possible way there’s a god the mother”. Get away from this groups influence. Do your own research. Learn the truth and never look back!
Hi all and to T.H, I have read all of your comments, both negative and positive about this group – WMSCOG. There are some Zions in Hanoi and around Vietnam, for sure. I personally have a sense of CHAOS within the Earth, among nations and the Judgement Day before one of the followers talks to me in the Banking Academy campus.
I have been baptized on Friday, 11 of August, 2017. in 9PM to be exact. And after I attended their ceremony (I think it is the Sabbath Rest), I told my mother that I want to buy a Bible to study. However, my mom refused to let me buy that book, and she also told me that, my family worship our ancestors and grandfather/mother, in short, I am a Buddist. I want to leave this group, but they wont let me go and they keep telling me to keep faith in the Heavenly Mother and Father, the Sabbath (like in Tuesday and Saturday) and things about Ahn Sahng-hong and Zhang Gil-Jah. I have known about the name Ahn Sahng-hong just right after the baptism (I haven’t read anything in the Bible yet).
Please, T.H, and others who knows the truth about this, please tell me how to leave this group.
Hello Lee MIB, as you called me out directly I feel that I must reply. Over the years that I have witnessed this group there have been very few times that violence has happened. I would not worry about that possibility too much. As for these people who claim that they will not let you go it’s really not up to them! You are the one with the authority to decide if you are going to stay or go. I would encourage you to make a very distinct declaration that you do not believe in what they are teaching and that you would like them to leave you alone! It is very unfortunate that your parents don’t want you purchase a Bible. There are many contradictions that are made between the Bible and what the WMSCOG teaches. The biggest contradiction is that the Bible teaches that there is ONE TRUE GOD while the WMSCOG twists scripture to try and make it seem like there are two gods. I’m glad that you feel the confusion inside of you over this. In some of my other studies I have discovered that when something is really confusing and doesn’t seem to measure up it’s usually a sign of something very bad. I might even go so far as to say evil. Many people become desensitized to this feeling over time and even get convinced that if things being said conflict with what they are saying then that is what is bad. Lee, please take this one piece of advice from me right now, cut off all ties with this group and if they come looking for you tell them straight up that you don’t believe what they believe and that you want to be left alone.
Hi all, I have read all of your comments, both negative and positive about this group â WMSCOG. There are some Zions in Hanoi and around Vietnam, for sure. I personally have a sense of CHAOS within the Earth, among nations and the Judgement Day before one of the followers talks to me in the Banking Academy campus.
I have been baptized on Friday, 11 of August, 2017. in 9PM to be exact. And after I attended their ceremony (I think it is the Sabbath Rest), I told my mother that I want to buy a Bible to study. However, my mom refused to let me buy that book, and she also told me that, my family worship our ancestors and grandfather/mother, in short, I am a Buddist. I want to leave this group, but they wont let me go and they keep telling me to keep faith in the Heavenly Mother and Father, the Sabbath (like in Tuesday and Saturday) and things about Ahn Sahng-hong and Zhang Gil-Jah. I have known about the name Ahn Sahng-hong just right after the baptism (I havenât read anything in the Bible yet).
Please, who knows the truth about this, please tell me how to leave this group.
They actually do teach about all the nations under Rome its called Daniels revelation. Stop making stuff up. The 7th day is the sabbath of rest it’s clearly the 7th day. Just because they broke break on the first day does not make it holy. Where does it say “because you have broken bread with the churches on the first day god blessed and made it holy” ? IT DOSENT. Above you said the day of Pentecost was celebrated on the day after the sabbath, Sunday. The first day. So you basically admitted that the 7th day is the sabbath day you fool. If your insistence was correct they would have been celebrating Pentecost on The sabbath which you say is sunday. but they clearly celebrated Penticost the day after the sabbath dumb dumb. So 7th is the sabbath day. Honestly you need to do some history research. I research every topic and everything adds up if you look at factual dates and not writings That aren’t found in the Bible. You can’t even discern the 7th from 1st day in clear context. Why should anyone take spiritual advice from you
Well Truth, this is a very good regurgitation of the spoon fed teachings of the WMSCOG. It is very obvious that you have researched this topic that you have been taught within the influences of the group so that any information you’ve learned doesn’t conflict with what you’ve been taught to believe. Most of us here prefer to follow the example set by Jesus the Christ instead of some group that stole teachings from another group (SDA). Jesus is the Christ (even your group claims this) but the WMS decides to make a copy cat and worship him as Christ. The Bible teaches there is one God but the WMS makes up a whole other god for you to worship. As for your supposed rock solid teaching of the Sabbath being Saturday; Jesus said, “I am the Lord of the Sabbath.” Do you not believe the Bible? Is there any reason why you should not believe Jesus? After the resurrection Jesus established His Sabbath! We are no longer condemned by the curse of the Law. Your group is going backwards and trying to live under the Law which condemns us all to death. You are so busy worshipping the god of Saturn (Saturday) that you are missing out on the Son! Don’t come here with your feeble, pathetic, hole filled spoon fed teachings acting as if you are some kind of authority of others. You claim “Truth” at least in name. You really need to find the Truth before you come here with your judgment! Jesus set the example. You really need to seek truth from His example!
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Hi – I have been going through this topic in my mind for almost a year now and I just can’t seem to get a response that truly makes sense to me supporting the current Christian Sunday stuff. I can agree that Constantine, while perhaps didn’t try to change the Sabbath, he did set the edict and one is left wondering if this could be a simple trick of the devil to set the church off just a little. But also correct there were many others before that were pushing a separate day to celebrate than the Jews – Ignatious is a perfect example – from his writings I find a vile hatred of Jews and feel as if his desire to push a Sunday instead of Sabbath was nothing more than racism. I think the context of these early church aspirations should absolutely be taken and viewed as if the words from them were fruit from a tree and is that fruit good or bad? Lastly for now – I get that the laws of Moses were fulfilled by Jesus so they need not be followed, but the Commandments of God? Likewise – I believe that the blood of Jesus covers us for sin (not following the commandments), but I also believe that we must repent, and does repenting also include changing our behavior – and not changing our behavior a big problem? To compare – if we decide to take another god before GOD are we not sinning? and if we CONTINUE to do this might that be a huge problem for entry into heaven. i get there is a lot of grey area in this dispute, but frankly I don’t see much actual serious discussion. This one here is awesome – but overall on the internet and at church this is hardly if ever even discussed. In a way it is almost like Santa Claus to me – something that has been engrained into the mind of society as being cute, not harmful, and good to follow, but holy cow – what are the unintended implications of lying to your children about the meaning of Christmas, or having them believe in a false character that pushes materialism, or a character that uses magic to accomplish things, I could go on, but I will leave with sending you all here a blessing and I hope to receive really good feedback as I am truly trying to find the truth here.
To Answer this.. Don’t you trust them? Who? You? or WMSCOG? If you and those commenting to ruin other’s reputation. then it’s a BIG YES. How can you tell that they manipulated other person? Does it seem ironic that it’s not the only church that has been established in this world? So, why are you pointing on them? Why can’t they read something like this? As for me, reading something so devastating and negative like this makes me a negative thinker and judgemental as well. I prefer knowing it on my own. Once i set it on my mind then that’s the time that I can tell whether it’s true or not. I was preached by this church as well so I think i understand why they are putting those regulations. For us humans, something new will always gives us a shock to the point that we’re going to doubt whether to accept or not. Once you accept it and find something like this makes one person confused. Especially if you don’t have your own sense of decision. Whether the church is true or not, it’s up to the member’s or other people to tell by themselves not by you and your posts. Remember it’s a Church, in the end only God can tell what is the true one. I repeat ONE. One and Only true Church. Not by a mere sinful human like me and just like you. If they believe in WMSCOG, let them be. If you don’t, just don’t judge. You’re making yourself just like a criticizer of the Early Church. Why are you digging so much? Do you have any grudge on that Church? XD
Lhei, I’m sorry but you really missed on your point here. Why are we focused on them? They are one of the groups that claim to be the only ones with the “truth”. It’s not that God has singled them out like the Children of Israel, no they have done it to themselves. With their Us vs Them mentality they invite this deserved mistrust. Not having a sense of direction doesn’t give a group like this the authority to give you one. it’s not the shock of something different but their insistence that you not research their claims or dispute their teachings that causes the problem. Christianity is something that you can easily research outside of the church and outside of the Bible. Everywhere you search there is evidence for Christianity. This group deserves the criticism they get and the destruction that they bring into peoples lives will keep folks like us fighting against them. Remember, this is NOT a church of the one true God. They have created their own gods and false doctrines to follow. Being a Christian is hard enough but groups like this twisting scriptures and jumping around the Bible looking for verses to support their own conclusions is just plain wrong! No wonder it’s confusing!
So sad a lot of you says bad things about WMSCOG being cult, demonic or satanic. I am also baptized there. Unless you listen to what they say, you’ll know. You haven’t even tried listening yet you already judged. Just like when Jesus came down to this earth only 12 apostles remain and you’re saying you believe Jesus but not the second coming Christ? Have you guys read the parable about Melchizedek? It was the prophecy about the second coming Christ when apostle Paul sees the angel holding the scroll with the seven seals of the living GOD. Coming FROM THE FARTHEST OF THE EAST. This is why you guys are stuck in finding out the TRUTH. Because just like Jesus know, only few will believe. Only Christ AhnSahnHong returned the PASSOVER. No one else. Wanted to know more? You guys know or even read about the story of the FIG TREE? Jesus cursed the tree (ISRAEL) and said that if it bloomed again he will be just right by the doorstep. And it happened yet you don’t believe it was HIM again. When are you going to find him? At the Judgement day? Sorry, that’s too late for you guys, because you already proved that you don’t believe in HIM in his second coming. It’s so sad the you guys were indulged in this world and not saving your spirit đ
Coming FROM THE FARTHEST OF THE EAST?? The bible never told us that. As I recall the bible said “The coming of the Son of Man will be like lightning that can be seen from east to west”. Like a lightning. This does not mean he will come from the east which ya’ll assume is North Korea. Salvation is only found only in the name of Jesus Christ. I will not believe in the name of ang sang hong because the bible never told us that he is our saviour. This church want to destroy the name of Jesus.
The WMSCOG is the only true church. It is all based on facts and concrete evidence. If you actually read the Holy Bible you can see it. Our eyes and ears are open to the truth, those that belong to the church. We rely on God not manmade teachings such as the internet.
Ok Chris, show me in the Bible where Jesus taught that there’s a god the mother! You are following a strange doctrine that was NEVER taught by GOD! This is the FACT! It’s the real truth that the WMSCOG has to gloss over and push to the side as well as convince their victims to ignore. These are facts and concrete evidence. Get real Chris and come out of this control group!
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
As per wmscog member this verse explain there are male and female god
if the created male and female in his image then how is it possible to create man and woman?
i recently joined wmscog
I have a question. If Ahn Sahng-Hong already predicted world ends on 1988 then how could he again predict same on 2012. I don’t think he is a fool. Can anyone predict world end twice when he had already predicted for 1988. Yes it would be possible if he was alive after 1988, then he can predict again for 2012
please somebody explain…I really want to know
I accidentally fell upon this website I’m not even sure how. I dont belong to a sect or certain denomination. but as a person from the outside looking in, i literally think this website is psychotic and a waste of time to look in to. if someone believes in something that makes them happy and they are doing no wrong why are you trying so hard to ruin what makes people happy. its not like they are handing out “koolaid” or killing poeple. they are doing what they believe is right the same way you believe you are right. i honestly find this website disgusting your trying so hard to lear people into your own beliefs by bashing another one. if you ask me the members of this church are being persecuted just as jesus was, i see you as the jews that crucified him. i hope you have a bashing / examination website on the other 849 denominations that you dont belong to. because i think your absolutely pathetic for “examining” just one because its new to most people.
You are obviously a member. You are not the first to try this âIâm not a member of any church but…â. No person in their right mind would defend a cult. Especially one such as this one that has done so much damage.
Hello and god bless everybody! I was just wondering How does zhang gil jah give the water of life at midnight? How does the holy jerusalem fulfill prophecy in the last days in the age of the holy spirit? I understand the fact of sarah representing god the mother. Everytime i ask a Deacon this i get told i need to study the bible more or i will text them and they never respond. i have access to the holy bible and mine is read in hebrew and english. I would like to know ALL of the biblical evidence to show this women is really God! How can i have faith if i do not know?
You obviously know that this lady IS NOT a god! Do yourself a favor and just stop asking for something that this group cannot give you. You’re much better off without being manipulated by all of this!
My daughter is 21 and away in another state for college. She recently becr abe for this church. And was introduced by this 25 yr old guy she met. She called me crying not sure how or when but just found out they are legally married now. She remeber sign church papefwork, but never agreed to get married. Also she spends almost every waking moment at this church what can I do to help. Please help a desperate mother.
My nephew has joined the church for about two months, he lives with me and my family because his mother passed away 8 months ago. He behavior has changed since, he is being aggressive, calling us aunts names, he believes now that his mothers is in hell. He is a very weak kid, he went through so many struggles, and the leaders are taking advantage of this, they destroying our relationship with my nephew, they are making his life more miserable than it was before, they are taking our peace away.
Those that have been led astray by this Satanic cult choose to be led away. God does not put anyone in hell, people choose to walk into it. I know someone who has been sucked into this blasphemous cult. They refuse to listen to reason, refuse to investigate the facts, refuse to take the twisted doctrines of his cults and test in the light of truth. They prefer to remain in darkness as the pagan idol worshippers did. Because the bliss they get from this place is the trade they made with Satan.
The feeling of being on the right path while being fooled that everyone is on the wrong path makes them feel special. They feel unique and chosen. Deaf, dumb, and blind they refuse to follow God’s law directing us to always seek knowledge and question those that make divine claims. They are the blind being led by the blind and lead others that choose to be blind.
Despite how much logic and reason and evidence to present to them, it usually falls on deaf ears. When they choose to walk away from God, God only increases their distance. To them truth is not important, facts are not important. They accept what they are spoon fed blindly, refusing to question the false gods they worship. They believe a living woman in Korea is God because of her ” association ” with Mr. Ahnsahnghong – a false prophet who has been cannonized to the status of God.
Ignorantly they bow down and worship this dead man and his surviving wife insulting God by lowering the creator of the universe in which we are speck within a speck within an ocean of smaller specks. God’s creation and eternal presence is beyond the human beings comphrehension. He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Yet these idol worshippers reduce this greatness to an imperfect mortal man who spend the first 35 years as a Buddhist. A man that made false predictions and contrived lies. To them God now has flaws. Even more blasphemy, they have created a god out of his divorced wife who lives in a palace and has another occupation as the chairman of a “charity” in which you go to the website asks you to donate money!!!
If she were God she would not need to post a website to beg for money!
Do not feel sorry for the fools that choose this path. They do it because they decide. They are presented with the truth yet discard to walk with Satan.
The Bible is a book. It is not self-interpreting. Therein lies the problem.
Jesus did not found/wrote a book and said “Refer to this when in doubt.” Holy scriptures recorded His actions: He founded a Church – a body of believers – with authority to preach/teach/baptise. He singled out a lead shepherd – Peter – to lead the Church after He ascended to heaven – “Feed my lambs”. This Church will not fall into error. God literally forbid it – “…the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.”
The Church as willed by Him is not a democracy. Jesus granted authority to His lead shepherd to head the Church and obedience is the necessary consequence. This is the DNA of the Church. This (true) Church is ever ancient (circa AD 33) and ever new (2017). Go find this Church with such a DNA. Not one founded in 1964 or re-emerged from a supposedly failed Church sometime in the past.
Peace
To continue….
Because the Bible is not self-interpreting as mentioned in previous posting, hence there is a need for a referee to settle a dispute or an area of differing views over a moral or doctrinal issue. The referee’s judgement is final and all must abide by it. This was how the early Church settled the issue of circumcision. There was a referee. If there was no referee, there would be division between church members and possible splintering of the church (this is a favourite tactic of the Evil one: to divide and scatter).
Not anyone can just step in to be a referee. Christ hand-picked a referee. It was the one who previously denied Him 3 times – Peter. He gave the keys to Peter: “whatever you bind on earth, will be bound in heaven.” And this was the blueprint of the divine Founder for His Church – it was always to have a referee. That is how the unity of the faith (its doctrines) is preserved.
1.Dan 7:13
I saw in the night visions and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man,AND HE CAME TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS AND WAS PRESENTED BEFORE HIM.
This clearly doesn not show jesus coming down to earth from the heaven. It rather shows jesus travelling by clouds towards the heaven to god the father(ancient of days).
2.Jesus came as a servant(isa 53) he didn come with his full glory in his first comming. Thats why he says and now father glorify me with ur presence with the glory i had(past tense) with you before the world existed. John 17:5
3.jesus was exalted after his work in cross.
Philippians 2:5-11
Have this mind among yourselves which is yours in christ jesus, who though he was in the form of god did not coynt equality with god a thing to be grasped but emptied himself by taking the form of a servant,being born in tge likeness of man.and being found in human form he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on cross.THEREFORE GOD HAS EXALTED HIM AND BESTOWED ON HIM THE NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME….
Wmscog membera keeps telling that they believe in the holy trinity but infact they are anti trinitarian and teach modalism a heresy rejected by the early church i.e the one god was father once and then tramsformed to son and then transformed as the holy spirit … but they lie that they believe in the holy trinity witout even knowing what the holy trinity is exactly(one god who is one being but 3 persons the father the son and the holy spirit who are co equal and coexisting all the time)..they are taught a false view of trinity which is modalism but being told that it is trinity…. the lies and deception wmscog follows only proves that they are antichrist.
Check for yourself what modalism and trinity means..
The world might’ve not ended in 2012 but the Bible explains that the Bridegroom was long at coming meaning the Bridegroom (who is Christ) would come late. Late implies that there must be a true date which in this case was 2012 but did not come in that year to fulfill the Bridegroom profecy of being late.. Gby!
Erica use your head! Your âlogicâ supports every failed prediction of the second coming of Jesus/end of the world. Also, you just admitted that you, at least at one point, believed the WMSCOGâs 2012 end of the world prophecy. Egg on your face for almost 6 years now lol! How many more years of your life are you willing to waste? First it was 1988, then 2000, then 2012… I guess that the religion that makes you wait the longest is the âtrue churchâ? Seriously wake the F up.
I have been in church for 6 months and i feel so worry after the spiritual damage and mentality torture that they had done to me,please tell me that WMSCOG i started to regret after I joined this,after i started to walf distance from them i feel much closer with friends and family,am i in correct path?plz help me guys
U receive it once u have truly believed in ur heart that jesus the christ who died for ur sins so u can go free…once u have BELIEVED, god fills u with the holy spirit and ur sealed by god for the day of redemption.this is the gospel.
My husband and I visited one, once and only once. We had supper with them. We asked if there was to be prayer over the meal, they looked as if we were crazy, but acquiesced. During the whole evening, I kept getting the creeps, more and more as the evening went on. I wrote down some basic info, bare bones minimum that I could find. When we got home, I searched online to find out anything about them. What I did find confirmed what I had been feeling–that they are not of the GOD I know and serve.
If someone writes somethings about somebody on the internet that shouldn’t be always true, because anyone can now create websites and write any lies about any body <> right? But every one should know majority of this world is fooled and cheated through internet.
The reason all these former members say they don’t know where to go after coming out of the WMSCOG is because the WMSCOG has thhe perfect truth of God. I know this website has lots of topics against Father Ahnsahnghong, but all these things have answers.
You fools! Why do you stand against God amidst all the prophecies? If there was Judas Iscariot in the age of the Christ. How much more in this age? Stop playing the Role of the betrayal and seek to understand God.
You will truly suffer the cup of the wrath of Christ if you continue in your ways.
you really must have no life to make a whole website to persecute a church that has been so sucessful by the grace of god we have been reconizged by queen elizabeth! what other church has done this?? no other church. we have true god and so these lies you tell, will not effect true members who want to make it to heaven. everything here is fake, it is so sad that you chose to do this with your life on this earth instead of asking for forgiveness because we are all sinners, instead you act like you know so much with no actual proof and you get a lot of wrong information about the church. sad what the world has come too.
I have visited twice once for the Bible readings and once to see my friend getting baptized. Although I like the teachings and everything because they show with the proof(Bible verses) ..But its really hard to accept Heavenly Mother and Ahn Sang Hong.. Because they pray in his name..Didn’t Jesus said he is the only way to the salvation. Well can you help me to get out of this confusion. Till then I will be praying in Jesus name because he came down to the earth and suffered for me..
Look, a lot of fundamentalists use the bible to justify extremist behaviour and they do it successfully. I grew up in a Church – not wmscog- that also justifies everything using the bible – it’s really not a big deal. Even the Devil used the bible to try and kill Jesus sooner than his time.
Learn to read the bible in context. I once thought had a lot of misconceptions too about the bible that were fixed by reading the whole chapter rather than a verse, for example.
Here is a simple example, Read Revelations 22:17 again – then ask yourself where does the wmscog get the idea that the bride “gives” water of life. No where in the text does it say that. But if you read the bible and understand who the Spirit is and who the bride is – the bible says that the Spirit testifies about Jesus – you know who else testifies in the same way? the Church.
We testify together with the Spirit and call (say come) those who have not heard the Gospel of Christ Jesus. When they hear and repent – they (let him who hears) also call others to receive the free gift of the water of life found only in Christ Jesus.
You are not confused if you are still praying in the name of Jesus – since the wmscog claims they only care about what the bible teaches, they should be proud of you and shouldn’t pleasure you into praying to a different name – Jesus is in the bible and they say ultimately Ahnsanghong is the same as Jesus right?? Unless He is not…
Every other sermon in the wmscog is about false insistences and how every other church is wrong and wmscog is right, and you say we don’t have a life?
News flash, real churches aren’t bashing other churches every chance they get, they don’t even bash wmscog.
If their were no false insistences how many messages would your pastors share every Saturday and Tuesday? The barely give any new sermons as it is.
You should take your own advise, stop bashing other churches and start focusing on connecting with God, maybe he will be merciful and open your eyes.
By the way, many churches as organizations have received the queens award – If you’re gonna call out people on their lies, why don’t you start with your church.
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kitkat99 says
This is a destructive cult, they are arranging marriages, breaking up families……this is not GOD, Let’s all pray that the true GOD will soon do something and all the victims wake up…..it’s really sad that we are all going through this but I do believe the truth should be exposed at some point, how long can a lie continue?
Tonight I will pray for your husband and I hope he wakes up and comes back to you, it’s really painful what this church is doing to families.
Jack, I just read your post (May 16, 2018). Sorry to hear what you are going through. I have been dealing with the members of this cult for about seven years now and have made about a half dozen or so YouTube videos on them with the hope of exposing their damaging practices. Would you be willing to do a phone interview with me, telling of your experiences? It would help others who are going through similar situations.
I believe what the Bible says over what any church says. TITHING WAS FOOD, IT WAS NEVER MONEY!! DEUTERONOMY 14:22-29 and MALACHI 3:8-11.NEXT TIME A WMSCOG MEMBER ASKS YOU IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE ABOUT TITHES, TELL THEM GIVE FOOD NOT MONEY.
This cult is absolutely crazy. My friend and I are going to be making a podcast focusing on WMSCOG’s mind-control tactics and how to recognize and avoid them. Are there any ex-members here that would be willing to be inteviewed? Anonymously, of course
The throne of god in revealation 22 cannot be the heavenlyJerusalem because the throne of the god is actually in the heavenly Jerusalem city. Jesus was not sitting on the mother god was she?
Rev 22:1-2
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city(the heavenly Jerusalem);
The one who sits on the throne in the heavenly Jerusalem and gives the water of life is a “HE” and its jesus and never a bride or a mother god.
rev 21:5-6
And HE who was seated on the throne said, âBehold, I am making all things new.â Also he said, âWrite this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.âAnd he said to me, âIt is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
The living water flows from the temple in the Jerusalem eze47 joel 3:18. But the temple is jesus himself rev21:22
Itâll be four years in August that my husband has been a member of this cult and it has torn our marriage apart. I keep telling myself that itâs just a phase because I too attended the wms for a few months but after reading some of these stories Iâve become a little discouraged. Today is Sunday so of course heâs at the âeducation studyâ that the wms hosts from 9-6pm on Sundays, not to mention he spends his ENTIRE Saturday there. We hardly spend any time together, with me working during the week and him being at the wms. I need help getting him out of this place, every time I utter anything against them he says that âSatan is using meâ. He even told me at one point (when I was pregnant) that it would be best if I left him because he doesnât have time for a family, so I did just that. I packed all of my things and left and the next day he begged me to come home so I did. He even stopped attending the cult at one point for a few months but the members kept calling him until he went back. Itâs exhausting and we need help. Please, if anyone has any suggestions, Iâm all ears.
Pleeezzz
A “Prophet” dieing and leaving his prophecy to a divorced old Korean woman who wouldn’t know the definition of a Mother if it hit her upside the head! Like the Bible says, in the end will be false phrophets …. u keep falling for them. I have some land I would love to sell ya, if your looking for a sign, here it is stu#%^pid
See the truth for yourselves people’s believe it or not but you have to figure all these in the bible of old & New Testament it’s alright not to believe of what you see & heard in reality but your heart & mind decides & only time can tell come to Zion.
Hebrews 9: 11-12 …it does refers to the church of Christ ‘Zion’ ..and yesterday I went there because one of my friend was about to baptized and when I had a chance I was looking at the pictures that was hanging at the wall. And I saw how they baptized after that they write your name in the book of life. II am confused . All theteachings I could understand but I just can’t accept the Heavenly Mother and Ahn Sang Hongnim ..They even pray in his name..
My boyfriend is apart of this cult I found out for the past 7 years do you think itâs possible to help hom or is he roo heavily indoctrinated? Please help
Ash, how committed are you to bringing this man to the truth? This thing that you are asking about is very complex and in many cases requires years of dedication. No one is beyond hope and no one stays in a cult forever.
This concept totally wrong and cheating people through bible verses , what is the meaning sprit and bride , jerusalem,living water wmscog teachings was against Creator one day sourly they will punished
Do not slander this church. You miserable people know that you are bearing false witness & acclaim. Stop trying to be a hinderance. You miserable slandering liars are annoying. Take this page down & find some other form of entertainment for your life. I agree with the wmscog. Maybe you all should get a clue. Lying bullies. Buzz off with that noise! These accusations are false! Do not make picking at this church a habit. You might just upset the wrong people. By the way… Apologize for your lies!!!
quick question, if the church claimed that the world would end in 2012, then where is the documentation for this? you found an earnings report but just wondering where the other side of the story is?
Does no one else go to this church it is actually really inspiring if u wanna join us give me ur number so we can talk about God the Mother and this is not a cult i know cause i have at this church since i was 3 years old so come at me bro
oh dear,,,, please help me…. im a new member,, im new to the study of the scriptures . however,, after 6 months of diligent studying ,, night and day ,,,, my study does not match with this churches teaching… hence why im now lead to this website…… i have all there books plus there preaching books…
I have been at the church for a few months now and started to tithe in November 2019.02.05
I have a few concerns, the fact that I was a bit late last month because I didnât go to Zion that Saturday after my husband got paid,
One of the ladies messaged me to ask me to pay the money in their bank account because they have a cut off period?
Another concern, I am unemployed and my husband has to pay all the bills, after tithing we donât have money for bread and milk for the rest of the month, yet weâre told trust in mother and father?
Do I starve my kids and wait for a miracle?
And what kind of things does the members tell you about âmotherâ after meeting her?
I have been in this church for 7 years and left about a year ago. It is terrible what they are doing to try a gain more members. The chruch manipulated my fanily and I for years, brainwashing us that if we didnt attend church and preach to more people that we were going to go to hell. They use scared tactics about the world ending to try and keep you in their grasp. They rob your kids of their childhood, saying thats holidays are pagan and if you were to celebrate them you would go to hell. They try to refrain you from socializing with anyone outside the church, calling them gentiles, ruining socail skills. They brainwash you by keeping you there 7 days a week almost all day, and make you feel guilty if you aren’t there. They try to marry off single people with Koreans. I also witnessed mothers and fathers alike leaving their own children behind for the sake of the church because they believe it’s for God’s will. If you have any questions please let me know. I am trying to enlight those that are suffering from this church.
Hi Amy. I am working with a large group of ex members & affected families. My son is in the WMS big time. Would love to speak to you if you would be willing. Thanks!
Hahaha ADMIN..this is really a false claim…not even knowing the prophecy in the bible how Father Ahnsanghong fulfill the prophecy..before you act like this, first examine your belief if you follow the prophecy in the bible. then if you believe your following the prohecy according to your belief, then state the prophecy which fulfill accurately… hahaha what a nonsense claim..by the way you remind me the teachers of the law who accuse Jesus 2000 years ago which give them a miserable end and results…..
Thank God the Almighty,he cares for you, and brought you out of this dangerous and evil church. Seek the truth and the truth will set you free. , yes my dear brothers and sisters you are free from the wolves in white clothes, they are very cunning, do not be deceived nor fooled by the wmscog.Help otheright who are badly stuck in this evil church, help them to come out of this church. Thank you. Pray in name of our Lord Jesus Christ, not Anghsunghong.
Hello, I was doing research in the Bible. I was wondering, has anyone said the name of Jesus before his coming? Did he start his preaching and Holy work from birth? Did he have a worldly family before? When did he explicitly say ” I am God” ?
Also does that mean that people who believe in Jesus does not believe in Jehovah, lord Almighty?
Finally, how come we know the name of the Father and the name of the Son, but not the name of the Holy Spirit? Why would God put the three in comparison if the Holy Spirit is just one of His many power (people say that it’s something humans can get)?
Since Trinity says they are all one, it means the Father is God the son is God and the spirit must also be God no ?
Sorry, I’m just curious and confused :/ thank you if anyone sees this
Paul M says
Bible that doesn’t say in the names. it says in the name. Matthew 28 :19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.â
Apostles baptized people in one name which is the name of Jesus. not three names, there’s no such in the Bible. Read the following verses for convinction.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, âRepent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48
So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Acts 16:18
She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, âIn the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!â At that moment the spirit left her.
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Wmscog baptize people in the name Father, Jehovah, in the name of Son, Jesus, in the name of the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong. ->> Which false, there’s no such as three names.
My Son has been involved in this CULT for less than 6mo they preyed on him at his college in Jeff, City, Mo. they were relentless. I have sat down with the so-called pastor and we exchanged bible verses and when he couldn’t explain something he would answer with a question. all he kept doing was repeating himself. My son did the same thing and every time we talk it is an argument. They have ostracized him completely from our family and he just called me the other day to tell me that he would be getting married soon. He just turned 21 years old have only known these predators for less than 6mo. and now your getting married!! I asked him to come home so we can discuss as a family and every time he makes an excuse as to why he can’t come. He has sold all of his possessions and when they made him “Fast” he lost over 100lbs. they mentally drain you, sleep deprivation. I managed to have my son’s blood tested when he was home a few months ago before he was fully engulfed and it said that he had {DRUG) induced lupus?? My son has always been an athlete and would never put anything in his body. I am more than sure that they are poisoning him. My best friend and I visited the church which is in the basement of some 30-year-old man, his wife kept trying to get us to eat the food she prepared. We delined over and over before I finally said if you ask me one more time I am inclined to think you are trying to poison me. The wife kept her distance after that. Right now my family feels lost and we don’t know what we can possibly do. I have so much faith in my God that he will bring our son through this but I am afraid that we may have lost him forever.
Ask him this question, I Zhang Gil Jae “mother” under the Law in the Bible? this is a yes or no question. The is only one answer that is YES god is under the Law. Next question is, Is zhang under the law if she is GOD? answer is you but most members will avoid this question because it is a loaded question. Point is there is the law of marriage and zhang did not follow the laws. also Zhabg had sex partners. WMS teaches that crist refined the law between old testament and the new testament though this understanding. old law you can think what you wasn’t and lust was not sin but the act itself was but Crist said if you lust after each other then you have committed sin in your hart then you are a sinner. RIGHT? If mother Zhang had sex and lust then she is a sinner and can not be GOD for god does not sin. there are many more examples like this. Look at Mal 2:10 Mal 2:16-17 she was devoiced as well
I was in the cult as well and I believe they do try to poison members, as they forced food down my throat one night when I refused to eat.I was alienated from my parents too and hurt them real badly to the point where I ended up in psychiatric hospitals after I left the cult.
There are so many things I want to tell you as to what they did to me after I started discovering what they were up to. Please let me know if you are interested.
Good day everyone. I’m from the Philippines. I am trying to convince my girlfriend that what she’s currently involved in is a cult. She’s a member for two months now and encourages me to join the church. Two months ago she and her grandmother were invited by members who go door to door and asked them if they believe in mother God and then brought them to the said church and got baptized immediately. She didn’t told me that she was baptized that same day and I was shocked. They claim that the second coming Christ was Ahn Sahng Hong. It was quite fishy the moment she told me that. She and her grandmother were baptized in the name of Ahn Sahng Hong! Then she encouraged me to join them and was inviting me to events like the Sabbath and Passover but I lowkey refused. She offered me time to study the bible with her and I agreed. To my surprise she showed me not a bible but a book like the one showed in the video, only thinner because it was divided into 12 books I think. But the first one is about the Elohim God. She lend me that book and I read that at home and as I was reading it i was like, “hmm, makes sense.” I admit I was not a bible person and I have not formally read the bible yet. I return the book to her after I finished it. Because Iâm curious who that Ahn Sahng Hong is, I googled his name, and to my shock, he is a person! I also found various articles claiming that the wmscog is a cult and ASH is a false Christ! I told her what I saw and showed that to her. She was in shock too. I told her she was brainwashed. Minutes later, she told me not to judge them âcause Iâm not a member yet and encouraged me to come to that church. She told me that it is rude to call them a cult because back in the day Jesus was also considered a cult and is falsely judged by the religious leaders. Then I realized, it was indeed rude, and I said okay. However, I am not convinced yet. I searched a little more and I stumbled upon the videos from Mark Winger. The first two. You know the truth about ASH and God the mother. I showed it to her but she refused to watch it and told me to stop. She told me that sheâs not brainwashed. I stopped. I tried to believe her. Then comes another. She showed me another book. The second book tells about the Sabbath. Hmm okay Saturday Sabbath blah blah, and I was like hmm makes sense to me. I believed. Few days later, I was bored. I donât have anything to do. I then again searched the net for proof that wmscog is false. I found a website with stories about former members of the church. I read those stories. I looked further. Evidences that prove God the mother is not true and ASH is a fraud and the that they twist the scriptures. I saved that for later use. I told myself this is a strong evidence. Earlier this evening (it’s currently 3 am here in the Philippines) I told her to just listen to what I say. I told her âI know we’ve argued about this before, but please listen to me this timeâ. âPlease leave the wmscogâ I told her. She went furious. She asked me what happened to me. Do I not believe in God the mother? I said I used to but now I donât. She told me to stay away from her. I said I am doing it for her. She replied asking why do I try to keep her away from the true church. I was scared. The conversation went to a break up situation. I donât want that to happen. I love her very much. I plan to make her watch this video (https://youtu.be/5jRFNZeu9qM) but I know she will refuse. Please help me. I’m scared of losing her to this church.
Hi Mom. We are hurting too. Our loved on has been in for about 6 months as well. Very similar to your situation. Would love to talk in real time if you would be willing. Thanks!
I joined the church a year and a half ago and I saw the truth about WMSCOG. The church requires members to contribute tithe and offering for every worship but there are members required to pay expenses for the church. I wonder where the money goes and why isn’t the offering enough. There are many controversies in their doctrine which the members refuse to explain or find out the answers when asked but divert it to another verse to avoid answering. I realized that this church has taken you much of my time. I intend to leave this church but don’t know how to. I’m worried about the subsequent consequences I would face from the members and church leaders after leaving it. Can anyone help me?
My goodness, what is your fear about learning the bible and following God’s commands? I’ve been a member of the WMSCOG for nearly a year and they have not separated me from my family, all they preach are to follow the commandments of God. Yes, they do ask you to go out and preach the word just like Jesus and the disciples did 2000 years ago. However, if you don’t want to join, that’s your prerogative. If you don’t believe in the Second coming Christ and God the Mother, you haven’t gone deep enough into the bible because it is written the Jesus will APPEAR a second time with A NEW Name. I mean you believe what you want but I’m going with what is written in the bible.
Brothers and sisters the worst thing of this cult is that it breaks the relationship, the relotions hip between father mother mother, brothers, sister, their behaviour changes, there is no more love which was before. Really one who faces all this knows it is a very bad experience, it is disgusting, because the member do not respect to the person who do not respond to what they preach, you should see them how they behave it’s too bad, who will say that Anghsunghong is god, It is really demonic, children give no respect, I have never seen in my life like this cult. I PRAY and rebuke the devil (wmscog ) in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
My friend was about to get a divorce from his wife, she told him to see other women and he began talking to me about this very “church”. How can he help her. They have 2 small children. she often just leaves the house to attend church without telling him and he finds out that she’s gone when he thought she just went to use the restroom. They live in India and I don’t know her well so I can’t be there physical or a source of any kind of information for her. It hurts to see my friend loosing his wife and to think of 2 young children who are loosing their mother. Please help me. Please give me some information that I can pass to my friend before they divorce and it’s too late. Oh and I believe she has been in the church for about 2 years now. Thank you.
Upon seeing this website, I am in the middle of going back or not. I’m into a lot of arguments on my mind after reading some writings here esp with testimonies of former members. A lot of things still I don’t understand but hearing the same opinion with former members mean something to me now. I’m so confused. Please enlighten me more.
I was baptized 2017. Before, I was preached outside while doing field work. They approached me and invited for bible studies. A lot of times. After work, even rest days when I have free time. I am so happy that they accepted me like a family cause that time, I’m having a relationship gap with my family. I’m almost fed up with things that they made me believe whenever I’m with them. Like I have to join worship service at first it is okay for them if I attend once a day but as I have been with them for months, It has to be whole day. Like 3 mass a day. If I did not keep, it was like they are my conscience for calling me a lot through mobile phone. They even visit me at work. It made me addicted like I did not priority my job, family, and everything. Everytime i’m seeing things weird or new to me, I ask a lot. Tried to search for their church through internet and they were unhappy to hear what I did. It was my excitement that brought me to my own curiosity where will I know the origin of the church? founder? Cause it is Korean church that is why I am excited to learn more about. I found a lot of negative articles about it. They said we have to preach and encourage others to be a member but I’m not sure if I can do it because I am a Filipino. That is a Korean church, a lot of things I don’t know about. If everything is true, I don’t know. Who will I believe? My beliefs they taught me or a Korean citizen who knows about them. I’m really confused. When I departed with them, I rejected ,messages, calls, chats, now I have a happy family. I don’t know what to believe now. Help me. Should I go back? But I’m afraid that my son would disobey me to follow church activities and have no time with us in the future if I go back. Am I the only one confuse here?
Thank you for putting together this story. Hopefully this will help others involved with the World Mission Society Church of God see the light. It truly is heartbreaking to hear about people being scammed like this.
By the way, I tried to pull up the article about âDid Constantine Abolish The Sabbath In 321 AD?â but the link was broken….
Can you please direct me to that article, thank you.
The World Mission Society Church of God has ZERO authority over members. This is just plain bullying, not to mention illegal. The next time something like this happens it needs to be recorded and put up on Youtube and Facebook for the world to hear.
I clearly understood that the Heavenly Jerusalem is our Mother. Through the Apostle Paul God tough us that we became children of the promise because of Our Mother. Without doubt,Surely we can go to Heaven if we are the children of the free Women,Heavenly Jerusalem.
I am a new member of the Church of God WMS.but the only thing I want to know is,whether it is true or not that Zhang Gil Jah had ex-husband and two children?
Yes it is true that Zhang Gil Jah is divorced and does have 2 children. Ahn Sahng Hong never divorced his wife and had many children. It is all laid out for you on his tombstone and in public records.
Actually Apostle Paul never said we become the children of God through a promise related to God the Mother. If you have read all the books of Paul, you will know that through Pauls teachings, we a re children of God through adoption which comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Did Paul explicitly say we need a mother god to be children of God? No he never said that. Through Paul’s Allegory which he literally described as an allegory, the wmscog have been able to twist Paul’s words to mean something else. In Ephesians 3:20 we see Paul calling us sons of God through Adoption which comes through Christ Jesus, we also see Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:5 saying there is only one God, the Father. Assuming Paul had been given a revelation about “god the mother”, he would have contradicted himself more than once.
Moses who also apparently had a revelation about two images of God, male and female in Genesis would have contradicted himself in Deuteronomy chapter 6. Moses literally wrote there is one God and assigned a male pronoun calling God Him. Does that mean Moses never understood the word Elohim? Does it mean all the Jews especially the writers of the Bible never understood what Elohim means? No…. of course it means the WMSCOG is lying.
Not only are they lying about the bible, the are also lying about the history of their church. they hide the broken past of their gods cos they know that the second coming Christ is not a sinner.
Wmscog are the one who brought the real truth of the bible. So foolish and evil people u all r even after getting so much of evidence regarding the bible..u all r noticing how the prophecies have been fullfilled..Wmscog is the true zion where the teachings of jesus christ is followed.
Ladies & gentlemen, please allow me to share my experience.
I am one of the biggest asshole jerk around. I was a self chose to be Roman Catholic. But after many years, I see they talk one thing then do another thing, so I started sleeping in church cos my family still wanted to go.
Then I left church & was always very skeptical about Christianity. My staff and friends who tried to talk to me about church will be scolded by me & told to FO.
Then one day I found out one of my staff was a WMSCOG member, I just bombarded her with all the questions, criticism etc, politely.
Some she could answer, some she could not. So I told her go find out from her pastor or whoever then comeback & we talk again.
After several rounds of ding dong back & fore with answers & exact quotes from the Bible that I chose, I was curious & wanted to find out more. I told her, don’t waste time, arrange for me to meet your Missionary & I will ask him all my questions.
So we met at the church & I just let go all my questions that all this while whatever denomination priests and elders couldn’t answer me.
To my surprise, the Missionary was very patience & has answers to all my questions with supporting proof & verses from the Bibles (he used NIV, NKJ, NLT, history books etc).
I was convinced & decided to baptise that very day. I chose to baptise, the missionary didn’t ask.
I have been with wmscog for quite a few years now. They never once ask me how much is my salary or how much I contributed.i contribute the amount that I am comfortable with.
I am still in contact with some members who left or only appeared once or twice a year. I ask them if they face any pressure or haunting from church members or staff. They all say no.
Only initially they received calls from the closer brothers who out of concern ask if they are ok, haven’t seen them for awhile.
I spent more time there because I wanted to study more and volunteer for some of the activities. No one peer pressure me
So whatever all these cult experts say, I have serious doubts. If youmind is strong, arrange to talk with the Missionary. Ask whatever questions and doubts you have. Just fire away politely, don’t habmve to be nasty. Hear & see for yourself. Then you decide. Don’t be influence or sway by the BSers. If you scare, bring a trusted friend or relative along. What’s the worst case scenario? If what the missionary says makes sense you can choose to find out more. If it doesn’t make sense to you you can standup & walk There are no guns, no ball & chain to hold you back. You can also tell them ” don’t contact me or you don’t give them your contact”. Anyway, they also not so free to be a pest or so desperate.
This is not a sales job. The members and staff got no target that they MUST achieve.
If there is only one God why do Jesus and apostles need to mention God as our Heavenly Father instead only God.The existence of Father really indicates that there must be Mother also.Likewise, the existence of Brothers really indicates that there must be Sisters also.
Moreover Bible expressed God in two images ie.male image of God and female image of God.However most of the people they accept only the male image of God or the masculine gender of God.
In HEAVEN-God is not only Father but Mother also.In HEAVEN-Children are not only Brothers but Sisters also.
I am a Newcomer in WMSCOG and Till that time they taugh me about God the Mother I am strongly believed her existence.But my purpose to see on the internet about her is to find the truth whether she had came according to the prophacy or not.However as I entered through many website and pages on the internet I find different website and pages insisted Mother in different ways and different definition.
So brothers and Sisters you have known that Jesus Christ is God because he had fulfilled the prophacy in the bible accordingly.Thus,Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother are true God because only true God can fulfill the prophacy but others cannot.
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If there is only one God why do Jesus and apostles need to mention God as our Heavenly Father instead only God.The existence of Father really indicates that there must be Mother also.Likewise, the existence of Brothers really indicates that there must be Sisters also.
Moreover Bible expressed God in two images ie.male image of God and female image of God.However most of the people they accept only the male image of God or the masculine gender of God.
In HEAVEN-God is not only Father but Mother also.In HEAVEN-Children are not only Brothers but Sisters also.
I am a Newcomer in WMSCOG and Till that time they taugh me about God the Mother I am strongly believed her existence.But my purpose to see on the internet about her is to ïŹnd the truth whether she had came according to the prophacy or not.However as I entered through many website and pages on the internet I ïŹnd different website and pages insisted Mother in different ways and different deïŹnition.
So brothers and Sisters you have known that Jesus Christ is God because he had fulïŹlled the prophacy in the bible accordingly.Thus,Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother are true God because only true God can fulïŹll the prophacy but others cannot.
In order to know God read the Bible not to read the Internet.
If there is only one God why do Jesus and apostles need to mention God as our Heavenly Father instead only God.The existence of Father really indicates that there must be Mother also.Likewise, the existence of Brothers really indicates that there must be Sisters also.
Moreover Bible expressed God in two images ie.male image of God and female image of God.However most of the people they accept only the male image of God or the masculine gender of God.
In HEAVEN-God is not only Father but Mother also.In HEAVEN-Children are not only Brothers but Sisters also.
I am a Newcomer in WMSCOG and Till that time they taugh me about God the Mother I am strongly believed her existence.But my purpose to see on the internet about her is to ïŹnd the truth whether she had came according to the prophacy or not.However as I entered through many website and pages on the internet I ïŹnd different website and pages insisted Mother in different ways and different deïŹnition.
So brothers and Sisters you have known that Jesus Christ is God because he had fulïŹlled the prophacy in the bible accordingly.Thus,Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother are true God because only true God can fulïŹll the prophacy but others cannot.
In order to know God read the Bible not to read the Internet.
My replay not coment it is important truth….This statement absolutely wrong..because god said in Isaiah 8: 14″
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.” Actually now everyone knew Jesus Christ but that time so many people didn’t believe the Jesus .uffcoure Bible testified about Jesus is god but many people only looked for Jesus personal things like parents ,physical family,education, society etc…so they got failed to recieve eternallife from Jesus..because god already prophecied in isiah he is stumbling stone for us…but apostle didn’t saw jesus physical things only Bible prophesies according to 2 Corinthians 5: 16
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”
this time also same…we will look only Bible testifies heavenly Father and mother or not..we will also look god physical things we can never receive eternal life..so brothers and sisters please believe the Bible..Gal 4:26..Rev 22:17 says in the last age we want take salvation we will go to heavenly Father ang mother..please believe this truth…thank you …
Yes Jesus became a Stumbling block to many, here’s some of the reasons: He was a man claiming to be God, He challenged the Religious Leaders, He didn’t bring mass resurrection and world peace as they had expected. But here’s the thing, all these things were clear from God’s laws.
Jesus would first resurrect as the first fruit. He was born into David’s blood line was given an eternal kingdom which he referred to while he was still alive. He was killed on the Passover so also the fulfil the purpose of the Passover. Jesus was clearly testified in the bible without any vagueness. His disciples read and the scriptures and God allowed them to understand the Scriptures that we now know and understand to be clear and precise description of the coming messiah.
Through these same scriptures which God used to show the through messiah, we are able to know for sure that Ahnsanghong is not God, he is not Jesus Christ, He certainly not the Holy Spirit.
No verse in the bible says there is God the Mother. But there are many verses that tell us that there only one God. There is many Verses that tell us God is Father.
Please believe the Bible when it says there is no other name by which we can be saved not in heaven, earth or under the earth except the name Jesus.
Ahnsanghong said in his book ( The Mystery of God and Spring of the water of Life chapter 12): no other name in the last days except the name of Jesus. Please listen to Ahnsanghong.
Ahnsanghong also said in his book ( Visitors from the Angelic World page 50): the last Eve is the Church – not Zahn-gil-jah.
God i was recruited by them and boy that was the biggest mistake that i made on my entire life. As of now they are constantly pestering me on my apartment. Always teling me to go the “bible study”. The more terrifying thing is that they will wait for hours outside my door. God help me
Hi I am also another ex member. The best advice I can give you to start leaving this church is do all you can to avoid them. Maybe start with blocking all their contact numbers and private callers. Then you have to be strong when they keep knocking on your door… don’t ever open the door to them or if they caught by accident if you’re try to leave the house just tell them straight you are not interested anymore say it boldly even if they insist with more studies or whatever JUST be bold my friend. You can only do it if you try it hard. I myself as well have been through the same thing and I totally understand the frustration, it is not easy to be mean to them but sometimes you only got you and you have to speak your mind to something you don’t want to do for your life. Tell them straight if they won’t leave tell them you will call the cops. Wish you all the best and God bless
Where to begin.
First, the photos of the marriage are not a real wedding ceremony – itâs a demonstration for those in Zion on how the wedding banquet will be. Secondly – in the Bible in the Age of Jahova you were to pray only in his name. In the age of the Son Jesus said âup until now you have not prayed in his name and to do so, the age of the Holy Spirit is the same. Each age has a name. This is why when youâre baptized you are to be baptized in NAMES not titles. Names are Jahova Jesus and Ahn Sangh Hong titles are Father son and Holy Spirit – this is a parable and to the one saying glory of the clouds. You sir are mislead by false teachings and itâs truly sad. In both the Old Testament and new Father tells you he speaks in parables that contain the hidden secrets of creation. John 14 and 16 tells you about the advocate Christ âFather/Jesus would send at a later time. Revelation 3 tells you if you overcome the world and the ways of the world he would give you his new name. How does God come to earth? A child is born to us read Isaiah about this. No where does the Bible say to break the commands matter of fact Jesus who is the âso â but is God the FATHER in flesh tells you to keep his commands. He set the example of what we should do as his followers but because men/Satan in Rome abolished the sabbath and the feast and took away salvation during the dark ages and slaughtered millions of us that know this truth 1260 years they changed the religious system and the world pays homage to the sun god. Isaiah tells you Satan would exalt himself to be like God and what a better way than to make an image of a beautiful man, when Christ wasnât attractive as the Bible testifies nothing about him would draw people to him breaking the command not having any other God before Father. They made the cross an idol breaking that command and the sabbath command remember the sabbath.
To the person that says âshow me where sunday isnât the sabbathâ in your bible in Matthew it testifies Christ was killed on Friday. Mary waited till the sabbath was over to go to the tomb on the first day or âSundayâ when he was resurrected itâs before your eyes but because you donât seek truth and donât keep the commands men tell you we no longer keep the sabbath because Christ frees us when the reality is the Bible testifies that by keeping the commands of God we show him we are his children and he takes the vail away. The law makes us a slave if we donât keep it because breaking the law is sin and lawlessness. Keeping the law sets us apart and frees us. Why do you think we are so happy in Zion?
There are many people that leave the church – because the Bible tells you not many will get to go to heaven. The reason is because the Bible tells you only a few are chosen – per destined. At the same time if the internet was around during the age of Jesus do you think the Pharisees wouldnât have been on the net smearing Christ as you do? To say Ahn Sangh Hong isnât christ is to bare false witness even to Jesus. What you do unknowingly is blaspheme the Holy Spirit which there is no forgiveness at the end, repent and you may be saved. Also. To list Babylon practices.
Sunday, communion, Easter and Christmas are all of Babylon so is valentines and Halloween dig deep into pagan festivals – Christmas is to the sungod birthday 12/25 it all leads back to nimrod and Babylon. This is why the Bible testifies that the world is deceived not a few the entire world. Even the Jewish people the âstar of Davidâ is the star of molecules and who do you think that is? I bet you already know. To argue scripture is to cut yourself to pieces as it says, Iâm not here to argue but to teach rebuke and correct you, if you learn then great if you refuse itâs because your spirit is still rebelling as it did in heaven – we were all cast out as the Bible says we were all combined with the dust of the earth as the Bible says we are all going to die where our body returns to the ground but our spirit returns to where it came from.. Heaven – God. You bash our faith and you really donât know Jack besides what men type on the internet. You mislead many seeking truth and yet now you have some light being shined because there are those of us out in the world but not of the world with the full armor of God the salvation of God with the seal of God on our foreheads. Think Iâm still wrong? If you have salvation, why does Christ have to return a second time to bring salvation to those who waited for him? Hebrews 9:28 – salvation is the Passover meal brought back by the Holy Spirit and think about this. In 1948 Israel became a nation. The parable of the fig tree tells you when Israel becomes a nation Christ is at the door – 71 years since has there been any man to offer salvation? No false Christ who deceive many have no offers of salvation they break the commands and teach the same as everyone else. Only one man came. Galatians 4:26 says but the Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our mother. Jerusalem in revelation comes down to earth with father and dwells here for a time – not the city but our mother. She gives the water of life as the Bible tells you. But because men are waiting on ârapture and tribulationâ thinking thy will have the easy way out – rapture is false teachings and you forget to see where the saints were worn out by the Catholic Church and persecuted. The last prophecy to be fulfilled is judgement but men say this and that and that but the followers donât look to history after Christ left.
If you want to keep asking questions I will answer them but rumors about âsuch and such took our money etcâ false if youâre moved to give your house and money to the lord do so with gladness in your heart just as Abraham did with Melchizedek. Oh a few other things when john was on Patmos he said Christ would come from the East. Directly to the ends of the earth on google is what country? Korea. He wasnât going back to the Middle East remember his work was finished and the Jewish people had already done the work of preserving the first half of the Bible.
I hope this reaches many of you, including the OP because truly I tell you everything in the Bible is truth. Oh and for those saying we pick and choose scripture – you know how we teach you know itâs truth you cannot argue and nothing in scripture or what we teach is false because if I pull up a verse and the other verse backs the first itâs truth especially when you are able to see it because you are one of the lost sheep. The rest wonât think so and will not see it there fore they leave.
To the spy shame on you for feeling that you need to spy. You scheme and Father and Mother May have already thrown you out donât know or they will keep giving you a chance to humble yourself and see your errors. For the owner of this page, what do you have to say? Do you want to study, or shall you return to the dust with a meaningless life as proclaimed in the word of God?
Firstly, you made an error – I’m not gonna say you lied. There is no where in the bible where anyone prayed “in the name of Jehovah”. Jesus did not say “until now you have not prayed in his name” – He said, until now you have not ASKED anything in my name. There is a huge difference.
David Called on the name of Jehovah, he never prayed or asked IN the name of Jehovah – that is a lie the wmscog tells people.
The only reason Jesus said ASK in my name is because he is the only mediator between man and God. he is the perfect sacrifice for atonement that pleases God – To God, it is no longer I that lives but Christ who lives in me (Galatians 2:20).
You read the bible yet you don’t understand or see things that are clearly there.
So is anyone trying to crack the case between connection of big shine and WMSCOG?? I looked on their LinkedIn profile and on their articles I looked at their likes and found a brother that likes their articles so clearly they are connected. Also it seems they may be connected with other companies by different name in China. Anyone looking into these things?
Salam alaikom i on the other hand was a former member of this cult wayback in 2009 in Philippines. Two members of this cult came to my house but first they asked me if i am a chain smoker i thought they from the healthy authority until they bring out their korean bibles đđ
They invited me to come to their church on saturday a korean girl came to my house to pick me up and then when i reached the church the filipina girl used to tell me that she was a former member of Born Again Christian and a Catholic…. they preached me everything especially the baptism that you will be saved if you get baptized ASAP and yes they pour a water in my head and wallah khalas!
This cult used to hate the other religious group such as statue worshippers and the Muslims and additions to this is they used to condemn the Gays and Bisexual communities in the city… one time the deacon of this cult asked me if i am a Gay well i respond to him calmly but this shitty deacon keeps on insisting that i am a part of LGbT! In my opinion if you see some imperfection to your brothers and sister you should not condemn them but instead pray to the Lord Jesus to cleanse their hearts… the deacon said “the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of heaven” đđđ
To cut the story i decided to leave this cult after the conversationđđ you see they are not increasing they baptize people who they catch in the streets and alleys but no one is coming back đđđ God hates sin but as a Sinner i am willing to confess my sins…. after 5 months i throw a doggy bag of CD(compact disc) in the umbrella basket of this cult it consists of gay pornography and i dedicate it to that stupid deacon of this cult. After that i never heard any news about them but when i am encountering some koreans i am ignoring them for some kind of shits!
Since i am a Muslim now i will be careful for dealing with these kind of infidels!
If you give a 20php as tithe the korean girl will approach you and tells you that 50php or 100php could be better…. Astagfirullah! I am still a student that time if i am a son of a rich man maybe i will give them 1000php every saturday but who the hell are they?
Ramil do whatever it takes to get her out, cause I lost my long term girlfriend to this church and now she is married off to a member, do whatever you can for her to get out
One of my best friend became involved in the “church” awhile ago. I don’t want to get into any arguments and alienate him further but are there any technique or resources available to getting him away from the wmscog or seeing their folly? They seem to take up his entire being.
Same here, I resonate what you have said .I am a current church leader and lead almost 50 people.I have studied the org through psychological perspective and found out to have influential mind control techniques implied. I want to get out without fuss but my wife is in it partially devoted.So for her sake I am behaving normally.
I joined the college again and have persued a career again after being completely empty handed giving all my time to the church. The leading people have good attitude and behaviours as long as you support them and assist them in any sort of way.
My mind also has been rewired by the doctrines so I feel uneasy thinking against it.Just pray I could get back normally.
If the whole W.M.S.C.O.G idea is centred upon Ahnsahnghong as the 2nd Coming, then WMSCOG is just a huge cult, which it is most likely. Firstly, ask if Ahnsahnghong’s birth was divine or ordinary. By that, everyone should know wether Ahnsahnghong was genuine or a really smart fraud
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, âI am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Revelation 20:15
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Jesus is the only way to Father God. There is no other way, no religion, cult, human, that can give you your salvation but Jesus.
WARNING TO THOSE WHO TEACH OTHER THAN GOD’S WORDS.
Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the PLAGUES described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Man are y’all gone be surprised when the 7 thunders begin pealing and revealing these utterances of Almighty God the Father’s Will. The seven feasts and our Father’s call for the observance of them comprise only one of the Seven Thunders. The other six are going to shake heaven and Earth like never before. Many who now stand tall and self-assured of their own standing shall fall and perish from the promise of eternal life to be inherited by the children of righteousness. They because they abid not in the truth, nor have they received the spirit of Truth from the Father for they would not keep His commandments, believing instead the lies of a false Apostle, and teaching others to follow such lawlessness. Repent quickly and bear fruit worthy of repentance for the hour draws near.
Verse quoting is how people got stuck in this predicament…context is everything!!please read and prove and disprove for yourself. Don’t allow someone else to feed you scriptures and take it lock, stock and barrel. Study to show yourselves approved that’s scripture.
2000 yrs ago the lamb and 12 disciples standing on mt Zion was the true church. even millions of jews came to Jerusalem but they didnt keep the NC with the lamb. they all kept feasts and rejected christ. what did Peter? say you have the words of eternal life. We will follow you.
Last days same, many worship God but few will stand on mt Zion with the lamb following the lamb keeping the NC. All others will be surprised saying we ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets
And he told them I never knew you lk 13 26.To those who didnt keep NC even thought they followed followed God. lk 6:46. Lord lord but dint listen
Rev 13:9
Mark 4:13
Lk 13:4-5
Hello? How can you leave WMSCOG? I’m really desperate right now. They pressured me to join and being the pushover that I am, I joined but now I’m regreting it. They keep pestering me at my dorm and now they’re pestering me at home. They’re also trying to force me to go to their passover which I only went once and then I stopped going. Whenever I wouldn’t go they would go to my dorm and try to guilt trip me in going since Saturday is the day for worshipping God. I really, really want to leave. It’s like they want me to believe what they keep saying. It felt like they were manipulating or hypnotizing me into believing what they say and it almost got to me. What they’re proposing to me and what they are telling me to do is having a strain on me and my academics. Even my relaxing time has not been relaxing. I’m paranoid that they might get to me soon. I thought there was something wrong when I joined but now that I read this there’s really something wrong. Please help me in being an ex-WMSCOG. I’m from the Philippines and next year I don’t want to go to their “Saturday” passover since it’ll clash with either my ROTC or CWATS in my first year of college.
Your instincts are serving you well. Stay out of this group! At this point I would encourage you to write a letter to this group stating that you don’t believe in their doctrine and you wish not to be contacted or harassed by their group any further. I would mail this as certified mail so they must sign for it and you will receive proof that they received it.
Knowyourbigshine says
Mind blowing! I remember being taught the cross is so detestable. Even the cross on my Bible was crossed out because I saw members doing it. When the church bought another church building it smashed the crosses and statues. Even the photo just like this one in the pic was considered an idol because itâs a pic of Father being tortured on an idol. Yet here is Ahn and Zhang taking pics with Jesus on the cross.
Jose says
Speechless!! I’m like WOW!! how’s that even possible, please people don’t take the Word out of context.
Let scripture interpret scripture and don’t twist it’s meaning.
God bless you all I pray you all will come out of the deception.
Evelyn N'otyour says
I live in a suburb very near to the Ridgewood WMSCOG. I heard rumblings from neighbors that people are very concerned that the parking lot was filled both Saturday and Sunday. I walked by and saw at least 25 cars in the parking lot, all close together, and many people coming in and out, clearly not practicing any social distancing.
I found this site because the utter arrogance and disrespect for my community seemed unreal and I was hoping I would find some reason for the blatant disregard for public safety. I never knew anything about the WMSCOG. I am glad that my friends who live nearby have committed to keeping an eye and telling the authorities that the “yellow tape” in the front entrance is a sham.
I’m a resident of this community who is angered, disheartened and frightened by this behavior. I will be monitoring and telling the local authorities.
Terentius says
These should have been the rules written on the front door to every church or in a 4 page section in our New song books. This sums up what it means to be in this group. Something that’s isnt explicitly mentioned.(unless the pastor loses his tongue and rambles) . All the joy and happiness in this group is forced over time. I’m glad I stopped pretending and left but the confusion and guilt is so strong to do that. Noone should entertain this group from the get go.
I host a podcast called âThe Simple Christianâ where I take pleasure in giving former members a voice to share their âexitingâ stories from this Cult. If you lie to share your testimony, please email me at: [email protected]
Lio jr says
People who didn’t obey the laws like Sabbath, Passover they will never understand this mistery of God.
Ronson dsouza says
Definitely she is real god…heavenly mother Jerusalem…real creators
ELLA says
Hello COVID-19 will those people who mocked God the Mother will be Saved from this pandemic? I’m ELLA by the way who used to comment here in 2013. Still this page spread lies. If you have some evidence show it the divorce paper and the Birth certificate of her children. By the way we are Partners with PNP here in the Philippines so if we are liars story makers we End up in Jails. But of course not! We are partners with PNP for Reduce Crime Together. You know from almost 9 years I’m here. I experienced Good and Bad but it’s up for you if you would stay or not! I chose to stay even if it was hard. You know why? As Apostle Peter said. “Where do we go?? You have the Words of Eternal Life.” As Jesus said men does not live on Brea alon But on Every Word that comes out from God. For the Watchmen who commented here 9 months ago. He stated very well. You cannot answer him back. Why because u can’t you don’t know the whole bible because you are not reading or studying it. You just Focus on Physical Life of Mother. Jesus also have Physical Life but did the Bible tell anything about his Physical Life, Physical Lovelife? No. Because it’s Physical. You know the Marriage between Father and Mother is the Fulfillment of Heavenly Wedding Banquet in 1984 before Father ascend in Heaven. It is fulfillemnt of Heavenly Wedding Banquet. It is not a Physical Wedding But Spiritual Wedding within the two for the Fulfillment Only of Heavenly Wedding Banquet. They didn’t have Sex at all. 1985 Father Died for tge fulfillment of King David 30 year Reign! They were just married for the purpose of the Fulfillment of Heavenly Wedding Banquet. So regardless of their physical life it’ not part of your salvation. Just as Jesus Physical Life and Physical Lovelife are not part of our Salvation so it was not indicated in the Bible right?
For Jesus is Lord sect Cult! Hello! Magtagalog ako since Pinoy kayo. Huwag kayo masyado take advantage at magsalo ng mga lost sheep at dadalhin niyo sainio para lalo maging Lost. We Celebrate Passover as Jesus did? How about you Jesus is Lord Do you Celebrate Passover? 2nd you praise Jesus but you ignore all Jesus teaching Like Sabbath, Passover, Unleavened Breaf, Resurrection, Ascension, Pentecost, Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets & Feast of Tabernacles. All of that is Feast of God. And You Keep Ingnoring the Feast of God while Praisimg Father as Jesus is the Only Lord. How ridiculous isn’t? sabi nga Sa isang verse. You keep on Praising me But your hearts are far from me. You Worship me In Vain. You know that verse find that google mo JIL Cult.!
For the spy how pity you are. I’m sure you get mad at church I don’t know who you are but for me and for all of us. You still have time to Repent. Because Betrayers are like Judas they end up in Vain. So if I were you Repent! Stop what you are doing. If you don’t want to go anymore just leave. Don’t let others die spiritually. Anyway, This is Ella Jorraine Serrano from Quezon City Zion before. I have good and Bad experience from Church but it doesn’t mean I must Leave Mother and don’t keep all the Feast. I stayed because of the Feast Don’t you know. I don’t stay for others. I still stay because my Family were blessed enough to stay in Zion and they were Good Fruit. More Good than me.
When I wrote 7 years ago here. You removed my post and put it in forum. One commented Emil. That I must go in forum so that many of them will be save if my statement and the bible verses I gave are True Enough. I don’t go why? If they are children of God they will come back. If not then they were never. I tried so many times to go out and never comeback from this church. But I stay. Why? Because my Faith are Not Depend on Other people or other sinner inside the church. If they commit mistake against me. It’s their fault not mine. I leave I go to other Zion Branch so I started new Life, New Pastor, New Beggining away from sinners who are judgmental. Like yours. All comments here are too Judgmental ha. By the way I’m lesbian before I was persecuted by our Pastor old Pastor but Mother called and said to the Pastor who is a sinner “Please Tell Ella that I loved her so much! Please take Care of Her I want Her to be Saved! Please Help her to become Spotless and blameless before Father comes! Please Help her to bear Many Good Fruits! I want her to stay in QC Zion. She is Your Sister” She called Oct. 2013 before the Feast that time. And she said All of that despite that I’am Lesbian before and I was persecuted by so many judgmental sinners inside QC Zion. Those people who Judged me are Not Gods! But merely sinners like me who ate not Perfect enough! Only Father & Mother Saves and Forgives and Sacrifices and Love us Despite other people around us Judge us. In the End I was Happy Sister with No Title Holder here at my New Zion Temple somewhere in Bulacan. Respected enough by newly members. Away from Shame and all of Judgments. With so many Good Fruits. Because I don’t mind the Judgment of Pastors. After all they are not God. Mother knows well. All our Future! She’s Our True God prophesied in the Bible. Honestly I don’t remember anymore that I commented here way back 2013. Lahat kasi pinapatulan ko if it was Mother Involve. That is why may be Mother love me so much! đđ †I hope all of you can be saved from COVID-19 eventhough you didn’t Kept the Passover. Self-Service pala kami lahat so Goodluck sa mga nag-Fall away! At bumalik Hope maaprovahan kayo mag self-service. Naman. One thing yung 2012 na sinasabi nyo. The Bridegroom is long time in Coming! But I think He Comes in a Different way Now to Judge the World by His Sword. So Goodluck for COVID-19 Guys! By the way Father was Born in 1918 during Spanish Flu and 50 Million People Died. 100 Million were infected and it lasts for 2 years!. For the past years WMSCOG conducted several Preaching worldwide kahit hindi ako kasama because I’m taking care of my Child. For several Years People Ignored the WORD of GOD. For Several Years Father & Mother waited too long. So 2020 will be time for Judgment! Para sa mga Judgmental na katulad nyo. You are Hiding your Identity while you persecuted the WMSCOG and Mother! What ashamed! COWARD! In tagalog Duwag! Anyway, Goodluck talaga sa COVID-19! đ đđ
ELLA says
Hello COVID-19 will…Your comment was moved to the Forum
Paul&David says
Block their numbers. If they call with new number – tell them to stop calling you. Don’t be nice to them. They will use that to your detriment.
Hi
can I ask? where did you get the video or the conversation with Diane Sims? Do you know who posted it?
It is really important that I find out. Please this is Diane, and I really need to know.
This is not Diane, and whoever this is likely hacked into her email. Tread lightly.
Megan says
Wow! there is no female god! Fakes. The video is on YouTube and is exposing the cult, how is this happening…. they literally lead people so far from Jesus… in the name pod the Holy Spirit they are blasphemous and Iâm honestly scared that turned me to commit an unforgivable sin … blaspheme the Holy Spirit:( Father, Jesus, please forgive me
One of my family is close with a current Member. Apparently all members are now required to preach to co workers and extended family members. Within 2 days of hearing this my loved one called me and asked for contact information of cousins, uncles, aunts etc. The control they exert over members is so terrible and so sad. Great article btw. Keep up the good work.
Kitty says
Your article claims that after Jesus Paul didn’t kept Sabbath right??
So I say to you prepare your homework and come again. Acts 18:4 clearly says that he is to go to synagogue on every Sabbath.
On the particular Sabbath discussed in the article, Paul did not go to the synagogue because he was traveling by boat. Perhaps you should read the article prior to commenting.
Von says
alot of people reported their YouTube page for copy rights lool they trying hard
Megan Kluttz says
In my newer book that the put out last year, it says that they are âoneâ together, and still the same God, but make and female. I left the church before this past âPassoverâ but I still have the book!
Sbosh says
hahahahahahahahahaha…I think that “can I ask” sold u out that you a Korean snooping around, members from this group are bored I’m telling you.
Megan says
Wow! there is no female god! Fakes. The video is on YouTube and is exposing the cult, how is this happening…. they literally lead people so far from Jesus… in the name pod the Holy Spirit they are blasphemous and Iâm honestly scared that turned me to commit an unforgivable sin … blaspheme the Holy Spirit:( Father, Jesus, please forgive me
Kev says
Crazy! I can’t believe that I have been lied to for 10 years. I just left this past week. The evidence is irrefutable.
Brandon says
I have the book My Sheep Listen To My Voice, and your quotes are completely false. I checked every page you listed as well as +-20 pages and couldnât find any of the quotes you claim to be from Joe Cheol Kim. Thereâs not even any chapters that would have any indication as todescribing appearance of churches or number of members. It just looks like youâre intentionally slandering with no real evidence.
The only quote from My Sheep Listen To My Voice in this article is in Chapter 1 Sabbath, Section 7 Our Attitude Toward The Sabbath, page 45 in the Korean/English version. Will post a picture upon request.
Miguel Constantino says
To Admin and others: The internet is not exactly the safest place to be in when researching. I, personally, think that scholars won’t help either. Will teaching yourself help? I don’t think so. Start from the beginning of the Bible. I haven’t even read all 66 books. With the knowledge I am acquiring, I am coming to understand that reading the King James Version (KJV) or the New International Version (NIV) can guide you as you read the 66 books of the Bible. Jesus, along the disciples, including John the Baptist, quoted the prophet’s words spoken through the Holy Spirit. This is the brief explanation I am giving you. Also: admin: you say Sunday is the Lord’s day, but you should search about the history of the Roman Empire and the Catholic Church. The Ten Commandments were also changed, so the Sabbath day is actually meant for all of us. Constantine, the Roman emperor, abolished Sabbath and Passover and, because of aspirations he took from the sun-god and other gods, he declared Sunday to be the day of worship. There is more context. I am a hypocrite when I say, “The internet is not exactly the safest place to be in when researching”, but this can help bring to light one truth of many. Have a good day!
You have memorized the countermeasures quite well. “Mother” would be so proud. Stay Happy!
Brandon King says
All heresay no concrete proof of anything. Just alot of slandering.
Darren says
Cross is definitely a idol. Dont need any church to tell me otherwise
Darren says
There is a huge difference from the teachings. They aren’t comparable
Ale says
Somebody knows about that ASH said in a book called “The opening of the 7 thunders” about a girl who was a child yet. They say that words were about heavenly mother. Is that truth? I’m looking for that book but I can’t find it.
You guys are terrible people i go to this church and it is amazing there are amazing people in this church. They speak the truth.
Adon Joseph says
I know it’s been a long time since someone posted here. But I found the WMSCOG site through some research and actually found many very positive and in my opinion accurate sermons for understanding the Spirt of God through the scriptures. But God the Mother blasphemes the Lord our creator. They get their “Mother God” concept from this verse which starts with “THESE THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN FIGURATIVELY”.
Galations 4:24-26
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
In truth, Paul’s label of Jerusalem as our “mother” has merit as a birth place for the Torah that gave all nations the Holy Bible. But this is not a physical thing, it’s an allegory about where God’s spirit was born on Earth. Again having read several sermons on their site they do have some excellent knowledge of Biblical principles (far better than even the Catholic faith) but in order for anyone to see GOD after they pass away “physically” they must fear and revere the one “True God”. For more information see the website that proves the Lord created mankind and evolution is a lie. It’s created by a space shuttle engineer who reverse engineered the human brain. search for thehighestofthemountains and you will find it and it’s free and there is nothing to join. Remember, even if your religion believes in the one “True” God, you must obey his laws or your religion is worthless.
Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is “no other”.
1 Kings 8:60
so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is “no other”.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.â
Isaiah 45:18
For this is what the Lord saysâ he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabitedâ he says: âI am the Lord, and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:22
âTurn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Vidal says
Service times on saturday
EKLG says
Do you have any link/source to the original News report they did on the WMS? It was a brief report they aired on their channel when they followed Rebecca to work etc., prior to these interviews airing. Iâve been trying to find it! They showed it to us at our Zion location when it first aired. Definitely worth a watch! (Ex member here)
You can find it by clicking on the news section or searching “Today Show” in the search bar.
Darion says
I have been attending WMSCOG for 5 years and all the accusations that you heard are false our church gives back and does plenty of volunteer work and we spread the love of mother as it is mentioned in Galatians 4:26 âthe Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our motherâ And we preach the truth of Christ Ahnsanghong and Mother to everyone and if you are interested email me
Teresa says
Megan, do not worry about that. I used to worry that I committed the unforgivable sin as well. I have been told by various knowledgeable men of God that anyone who truly loves God and is searching for the truth has not committed this sin. It is something deeper than words and it can not be committed by accident. I am glad you see this cult is false. Youâll be in my prayers.
Brandon says
You are forgetting that in Revelations 21 also calls the Bride the “Heavenly Jerusalem” which Galatians 4:26 also calls the mother since calls the Jersusalem that is above is free and she is our mother, this is to be a spirtual mother not a physical Jerusalem or city. So if gonna cite a verse should tell the whole verse not one little part.
Carolyn Savell says
I did a deep study on this cult as my niece and her family are members. It breaks my heart that so many are twisted by the teachings. They totally contradict what the Bible teaches. This cult will be held accountable for leading so many away from God, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
So many are seeking truth, peace and love in their lives and this cult takes advantage of them in their weaknesses. God will win as I pray for my niece and her family.
Carolyn Savell says
Yes. This is a cult as prescribed by Scripture from the Bible.
Childo Fapromise says
I am a member, who by the grace of GOD, received my spiritual senses after partaking in Father And Mother’s feasts with faith was revealed by AHN SAHNG-HONG Himself that he is the Holy Spirit who blessed us with the restored passover of the New Covenant with Bread and Wine in the order of Melchizedek fulfilled the mission of the Prophet Elijah by restoring all things of spiritual significance (passover, sabbath, feasts) as well as John the Baptist by giving us the name of the Holy Spirit to fulfill Matthew 28:18 therefore prepared the way for the second coming who was born in 1987 thus fulfilling his two prophecies 1988 is a miscalculation 1948 is the first year counted which is the same as when he said the second coming will come 3years after he ascended. With1985 being the first year counted 85, 86, 87 the same year as the first prophecy stated.
Tom says
I just hope people know the 10 Commandments are real and to follow them. Heaven is the goal and anything that goes against the 10 Commandments can be held against you when you meet GOD. God doesn’t want that. He wants us to have eternal life with him and not be fooled
Abraham Allen says
How can I order new songs book thank to father God and our mother God
Jet Black Wing says
For me they are very nice people. I do not know if real members asked you money or the pretending ones. I recently joined its been 2 months and there is no talk about money but instead they offer me food. So I do not know wtf u joined. But pls do not let yr faith be destroyed because of stupid reasons. U are only asked to keep the passover and prayers so dont overdo it.
Komal raj Sharma says
I wanna share some things with you i am former member of wmscog cult to
Austin says
I get why u would want to reinstate passover and the veil for women that all seems good but man it sounds so much like they are piecing it together I need answers like does the Vatican say anything on the subject. And if we are angels does that mean we were kicked out with lucfier
Austin says
I get why u would want to reinstate passover and the veil for women that all seems good but man it sounds so much like they are piecing it together I need answers like does the Vatican say anything on the subject. And if we are angels does that mean we were kicked out with lucfier?
Mary says
Mid last year I met a close friend through another friend I help with wedding photography. We decided to go on a trip to shoot a themed styled wedding in another state and the new girl who became my close friend came along. I thought this girl was so friendly and was so happy to have made such a good friend since moving to a new state. The friend mentioned the Passover and the Bible. I asked what the Passover was because I love learning about new stuff. She said sheâd video chat with me and tell me about it for fun. I was like yay friendship Bible bonding time. Then I notice a girl Iâve never met in the group call and my friend says she will teach me…. I was kinda disappointed, but was thinking well I understand if she wants to just have Bible study. Thatâs fine. Well they made me have Bible study several times a week every week. My friend even said I donât have my priorities on god basically because I was busy studying college work. They finally got to part where they said my church is not of god and I need to be rebaptized. Of course I was offended, but they explained so well. So one day I ask to come to interview them for a college assignment and I joke saying maybe Iâll get baptized too while Iâm at it. Of course we ended up planning it…. I finally meet this stranger girl in person and she buys me food and mentions the mother god finally… and Ahn sahng and then says Iâll learn about it later… I go to the baptism, I hear in the name of anh sahng at least 3 times as they pour water over my head and I feel uncomfortable and possible ptsd symptoms days later to the point where Iâm crying for weeks and not sleeping as I realize I was baptized under a false prophet and my friends deceived me. Iâm currently trying to decide rather to delete my first cult friend from fb as she is still super nice to me but a couple days she mentioned studying again and keeping the Passover. I did not reply and when I think about it, I want to throw up. What should I do? The stranger girl says she wants to keep our friendship too.
Cristopher Joshua Wilson says
Actually Eve was the last created so mother which means who you know as per her times knows just what she is created for, Father is the answers!! God bless everybody!!
Paul Chu says
I am familiar with the world mission society church on god in Middletown, CT and Meriden, CT. You can find members of this cult in front of Stop n Shop and Marshallâs on Saturday in between church services trying to recruit new members. I feel sorry for people involved in this South Korean Cult.
Melanie says
I am currently a new member of this Church in New Zealand and I love and have Faith and respect for everything I have learnt so far.
I too have come to believe that the founder Christ Ahn Sahng Hong is the second coming Christ and I have also come to believe in our Heavenly Mother.
All the negativity towards this Church is expected because until your eyes your heart and your mind are spiritually opened through the Baptism in his name will you come to see the Truth in his teachings.
Let us not forget for even Jesus himself was persecuted tortured then crucified on the cross by non believers.
Jordan Daniels says
I was In the WMSCOG when I was an undergraduate student at UCLA. I was studying Piano Performance, and really wanted to play the piano for church services. I practiced the hymns in the New Songs book, learned the churchâs arrangements for the songs, and would play through them in the church after preaching meetings for fun in front of other members. I even asked the Pastor if I could be the churchâs pianist if an opportunity ever came.
Some small opportunities came up, such as when the churchâs pianist went to Korea for a few weeks and a replacement was needed. Instead of asking me to play, the position was given to the Missionaryâs (at the time) wife, who was Korean. She could hardly play the piano, and after struggling through a few services, she stopped playing, and they switched to audio recordings of the songs instead.
A big opportunity for the pianist position came in Reseda Zion because their pianists was moving to West La Zion. Not only did I not get the position, but they gave the position to three Asian females instead. Of these three, only one could kind of play piano. The others could hardly even play! Why would they split the position between three people instead of giving it to one person who could play well and has shown that they could play? I was someone who went to the church regularly, preached regularly, studied piano in college, and even sang in the church choir. I was very qualified for the position. However, because I am African-American, and they prefer to have Asian females play piano, the position was not given to me.
The WMSCOG is a racist church, and their racial hierarchy prioritizes Koreans first, other Asians next, Whites, and then by shades of skin tone. The only reason why I never became the pianist there was because of their racism. Nowadays, I have side jobs playing piano for Orthodox Church services, where I am paid to play as well (I donât think WMSCOG pays their pianist, and I was offering to play for free back then).
onna says
I came there as an atheist. They don’t know. hahaha. I came with them because they’re nice, and they are foreigners (an aussie and koreans) and I find them interesting. I was just planning to come once but they became persistent the following days so I came anyway as long as it doesn’t affect my studies. Then I find their “bible story” interesting. As I was on the process of writing a novel I took advantage of it. I got my concepts from the cult so, thanks wmscog friends! They’re so kind I actually wanted to stay there only to hang out with them. But when they finally tell me that the god mother is a person and alive somewhere being treated as a god, I almost puked. I thought I was just fake praying to a dead person but damn. They only tell you bits of their belief at first so you won’t cringe right away and leave.
Becky says
I lost my daughter to this cult. It saddens me every day that they were able to brain wash her to the point of no return. They are not of God or they would not be breaking families up for financial gains.
Brandon says
I’ve been going to this church since 2016 and alot of good has happened and father and mother has always been there
Bushwa says
This religion, church, cult or whatever you want to call it is a complete sham; virtually hypnotizing people. Please read the very bible that they use to contaminate the truth with lies. For starters, they say some commandments are to be kept, but not others, some traditions are to be kept but not others from tithing to sacrificies. Not one God but many gods, even a female god; not one Christ Jesus, but two christ. And the one they claim is christ or god never made the claim that he was god or chirst. Why is everything a secret? You have to have a code for bible study? You can’t ask question. You can’t watch TV or get on the internet. My question is: How is it possible not to see this sham for yourself
Arun Singh says
Hi this is Arun from New Delhi India
I am the present member of this group (WMSCOG) But i don’t want be going in to this church but i had family pressure please save me and my family i know that this church is not truth and don’t believe in to this
This group is lie please help me
nocomment says
In this photo,
There is no evidence that Ahn Sahng-hong and Jang Gil-ja.
How can you believe it?
Jason Dine says
Some people approached me preaching about “god the mother”. At first I didn’t know what they were talking about and I looked up the World Mission Society Church of God on the internet and determined that they are a cult with heretical doctrines. I honestly despise them and I think Zhang Gil Jah is a whore.
DAVID Legere CHENELLE says
Please tell me where in the Bible does it say to celebrate Christmas and Easter? Fact is, it is not there, it has pagan roots that have nothing to do with Judeo-Christian beliefs.
Sasha Ray says
THEY GO. BY GENISIS LETUS US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESSTHE US IS GOD THE MOTHER.
And Jerusalem she is our mother the only scripture I’ve seen. The Bible says no man can see God and live Ahnsonghang was god why did no one die? All a big cult most of there books are almost word for word from jehovahs witnesses I’ve read both there books JWz make more sense!
Marina says
IF AHNSANGHONG CAME A SECOND TIME? THEN WHAT FOR WHY HAS HE NOT TAKEN THE 144000?
REV 2 :17 WHAT IS THE WHITE STONE ?
ANY RELIGION OR ANYBODY THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD GUILTY OR ASHAMED FOR NOT FOLLOWING THIER DOCTRINE IS HYPOCRISEY… PHARISEES ARE IN ALL FALSE RELIGIONS THERE ARE MANY..
‘SEEK YE FIRST THE ‘KINGDOM’ OF ‘GOD’ AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS’…
NEW COVENANT: ONLY ‘TWO’ GREATEST ‘COMMANDMENTS’…LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART MIND AND SOUL AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR – ‘AS’ ‘YOURSELF’ ..TREAT OTHERS THE WAY THE ‘TRUE’ ‘GOD’ TREATS US. 1 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 13
GOD IS SPIRIT GOD IS LOVE.
Brett says
Your claiming the church follows the Jewish feasts. It was Godâs laws, Rules, and regulations he appointed to the Jews. Which was the old covenant. Jesus established the new covenant⊠so therefore.. the church doesnât follow the Jewish feasts.. who appointed the time? God. Jesus also said his appointed time is near to celebrate the Passover. Christ came back and restored the 7 feasts.. sabbath day.. all the early church regulations.. he came back.. a lot of churches are not on the same page as the feasts days.. there is many other claims on when they are.. the fact Christ came back a second time and taught and restored everything.. you only find yourself fighting against God.
John Boa says
AHNSAHNGHONG IS TRUE GOD YOU BELEIVE OR NOT!!!!
No says
what a poor website so misleading…
Tim says
My marriage was ruined my this church. My now ex wife has been a member of this church for 2.5 years. Sadly she is forcing our young children to go as well. I firmly and strongly believe if she had never found out about this church from a now ex member we would still be married. I went to the bible study for a few weeks even after bring told I was wrong in everything I believed. I prayed for confirmation that if that was the right place for me I would go. I never got it. I left. I’m very much hoping my ex wife will wake up and leave this damaging cult soon.
alexander nunez says
so you guys are saying we are saved by the passover and that there is a mother ? and that we where angels ?first of alll this church take verses out of contect in the bible it dosent say that! you guys have to stop interpreting the bibble towers your way no where it say we where angels the reason you say that is because john sed here come someone greater then me that was born first so he is greater than me ! correcct but that dosent mean that we where angels if that so then the bible wont be explaining angels to us or demonds to us. open your as in the bible it saysthat in Jesus name many will come on and they will lead you astray . guys this teaching are false and very dangerous they belive on the mother no where in the bible it says that stop trying to put thing in yah word it dosent make sense the bible its a book for everyone who wants wisdom love compation courage all of this good stuff that wee need in our life not this way of thinking.
Darren says
I am the member and I am willing to discuss about it. send me an email or we can have an interview if you wish.
AXON says
church of god are very liars!, i hate them all, i already gave them all this proofs and they said they are fake! omfg!, what a liars i am tired!
Susan Luna says
My grandson was baptized two weeks ago in this church and we just learned of it today. I touched on the subject lightly questioning where he stood on some of the beliefs purported by this church. They are not inline with what he has believed by attending our church which follows the King James edition of the Bible. I would appreciate advice regarding how I might approach him again because I donât want him to continue in this organization.
Jay says
I think going to the church learning and studying and based on your âknowledge of the Bible â your able to correct some of the teachingsâŠ.unless itâs the true church.
Susan Luna says
My grandson has just been baptized at this place and I just learned of it. His other grandmother and I are talking to him about this decision. How may we best approach him?
hugochen says
Thanks for making this website to expose this cult. I am in china, I joined 2017.12.21. left last year, this is such a controlling cult. I lost everything during these years in WMSCOG.Now I have to rebuild my life completely. So much my lifetime wasted.
The boyfriend says
My girlfriend joined this church. Neither I nor her family has heard from her in weeks. We’re all worried for her. I asked members of the congregation if they had heard from her they say they haven’t. I told them we filed a missing person’s report with the police. They got defensive and said not to involve them (the wmscog) and seemed unconcerned about my girlfriend’s safety. I’m at a loss as what to do. Perhaps hire a private investigator, idk.
joel gustavo oda calle says
omg this is perfect!, the part 10, now they will soon teach that zahng will die like all humans jajajajaja, and that they never teached 144000 will ascend alive!
Jess says
I find it interesting how you infer heifer to pagan god. Likewise can be found for lamb or cow (male).
Which is deem sacred. The content is kinda skewed the audience -peace-
Concerned says
So what happened to Diane and Tom?? I am so confused at how “God” could not talk to or understand her children?? How did she not know who Tom and his wife were?? My God knows everything I am going through, He knows my name, He holds every tear I cry….
My heart is breaking for the marriages they were talking about falling apart, getting kicked out of church, seeing truth and then being told I love you over and over does not give answers to the hurting. I am not sure that how someone like Zahng Gil Jah would not hurt for someone going through a divorce since she knows exactly how much pain comes from this after going through a divorce of her own…
I pray for the members of this organization that as the Truth is revealed and they begin to search for answers that they faith they have in the scriptures and in God and Jesus will not diminish but grow stronger…families will reunite, hearts are healed and faith restored through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior!!! The Way the Truth and the Life!!!!
I think it is easy to want to believe in things that are seen, Ahn Sahng Hong and Zahng Gil Jah were and are in the flesh, but neither are God, faith is belief in the unseen. Much love and prayers for the members of this organization!
cheryl says
Im so glad I got out of this cult. No where in the Bible does it say anything about God The Mother nor does it say Jesus comes 3x They do not pray in the Name of Jesus Christ. All their prayers are ti Christ Ahnsahnhong Bible clearly states The only way to God The Father is through our saviour Jesus Christ. 4 months later Im still hounded by them, I have told them if they phone me, txt me or come to my home or work place I will go to police. All they want is your Money
AT says
The church members were preaching and I thought it might be a good things to spend my time with god, so I went join their seminar regarding Passover. And then, I was baptized by their Holy spirit of “Christ Anh Sahng Hong”, whom I dont even know who was him. After that, they had me to join their so called “bible study”. Everytime in the prayers, they keep mentioning the word “Our Father Anh Sahng Hong” or “2nd coming christ Anh Sahng Hong”. I having a hard time believing that Anh Sahng Hong is a god, and they make me believe that Anh Sahng Hong is the 2nd coming Jesus by saying his baptized year was in 1948 same as Israel gain independence, however, whenever I think back, there’s an argument that Anh Sahng Hong actually year baptized was not in 1948 and even Israel gain independent, there’s still war in there. I did say at this age still dark age since the 2nd coming christ haven’t come and they keep saying that now is no more dark age since 2nd coming Christ already came. I also saw this one video saying that if Anh Sahng Hong really a christ, why would he be born in a Buddhist family, unlike Jesus, who was born as Jewish and Christian, and Jesus was baptized by John as he was shown to the people there on how the baptism is done, not that Jesus from a different religious family. There are a lot of things that can be argued here, but for me here only to emphasize that Anh Sahng Hong is not a god, please do not worship the wrong god, always remember Our Father, Jehovah or Jesus as I believe there’s only one and only Mighty god.
I did a mistake and bought the bible from them, and we don’t even know how they can alter the truth that they tried to avoid me from getting the resource from youtube as they were scared I might discover something. I used to listen to the bible chapters on youtube as listening during bedtime. Recently I am very busy with my work and the church members are so desperate that they come to my house and even knock at my room, what annoy me is they try to say that satan is trying to pull me again from God. The people there are really nice but I think for me to follow their beliefs is really hard, the church members there do not even understand, people work to support living however, they never tried to understand my situation. I really hate that the church members keep coming to my house and try to force me to believe in Anh Sahng Hong, I do believe in God, but not Anh Sahng Hong, I have doubt with this.
kristian says
we love you god the mother and god the father <3
KHA says
This is a stupid think when you thought those people are GOD!
The mother now had a big business in Korea and use your money to build her financial empire!
You are scammed and you will never get your life back .
They are using you for their own!!
They are retreating you as slave for them !
How is GOD has a sex and go to bathroom!
Where is your mind !
By the way it is grown up business in Korea and you can see the show on Netflix about these shit ( in the name of GOD – holy betrayal)
Rev John r Novak says
Who cares if they indentify me or my family we know the truth and know that Jesus is lord and savior not a former Korean guy born Buddhist then 7th day Adventist who are a heretical group and then starts a church in 1964 and claims he is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ they misinterprete the Bible and are basically modern day judiezer who are under the Old Testament law and command. People of today to be slaves of the Old Testament c
Jojo says
I currently attend this church and I have been there for 10 years, I must say that this church does show you how to be perfect in the eyes of God but I have some doubts since nobody can be perfect no matter how hard you try. But my question is that this church had an article that Ang sang hong was in stated the prophecy of King David. The article was written 3 to 4 before he passed away,He predicted that the 2nd coming must preach for 37 years… and The wmscg stated that he wrote in one of his books that there is one coming after me but she was only 12.. where they got that information from.?
Paul Martin owiti says
My brother was brain washed and has been a member for two years now he got me into the church about a month ago and i don’t know how to get out
He is my elder brother and i live in his house
Brian says
MĂ amigo va a esta iglesia y siempre dice que sĂłlo 144 mil pueden cantar las canciones de su himnorio,lo que es gracioso porque cualquier persona que sepa leer partituras puede entonar los cantos ademĂĄs si libro contiene cĂĄnticos e himnos luteranos, Bautistas,catĂłlicos,metodista y pentecostales
www says
You need to download “4K video downloader” so you can download and host these videos as the WMSCOG is systematically trying to remove from youtube.
ANY cult trying to erase negative press obviously doesn’t trust God for vindication and is yet another warning sign that they are very dangerous.
Cheryl says
Blood is not god’s seal at all. God’s seal is to do with worship nothing to do with the Passover. I’m glad I got out of this church. They interpret how they want.
Ruth says
Beware: This is the work of the spirit of baal.Do Not Eat with them. What you ingest is very spiritual andthey know this. Beware and Pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They hide behind the Sabbath and head coverings but they have a name for “mother god” and sing in hymns to “her”. Thank you Jesus for revealing these truths.
Jessie says
I look at the document with scrutiny and skepticism. As an analyst, Iâm trying to make sense of the data such as how the data is sort/ written in what order ? (Disclaimer: I canât read korea but Iâm just looking at the numeric presented)
Logically it would have been sorted/ written in the order of Join date or baptism date? (Which the picture doesnât seem to be the case) I did see some similarity in birth year but it would be a strange & tedious way to arrange or find data. (Which baptism / joined date would make more sense)
Upon closer look at the baptism date. There seem to be a digit â 1 â before â7â (or is my eye playing trick with me) 4281 -2333 would be 1948.
If â7â was deceitfully added. Then what creditability does the source have? Was it re written when A.S.H set up his church and ministry (which was also many years back to warranty a book to be yelllow as per Korean blog mention the authenticity of recorded being age)
Just stating my Opinion for your discerning
Dan says
I can provide some experience
Joseph says
Hey Thanks for your help in exposing the church of god Iâve been struggling with their doctrine for about 3 years now. The only thing I would say to this is they would say Armstrong had Christians as parents and wasnât born without genealogy so he wasnât the real Jesus anyway. What do you make of this?
JesusIsLord says
My sister and her family joined this cult less than 4 months ago and she has been completely brain washed. I am heart broken on how the truth goes over her and her husbands head. Her ultimate response now is everything on the internet about this cult is false and just basic research man has implemented as real as Micheles court documents were they were not enough to show how wrong this church is. She also will be little your questions when it’s something she or her members do not know. So now I’m considered an unchosen heathen and she and her family are the blessed ones and they did their job by telling us the truth. They taught them to go verse by verse but not full passages she contradicts herself and its supposed be because not everyone will get it… Aside from all of this her kids are being taught this lie which hurts!! From all the former members i heard testimonies about I would hate to loose my sister especially her kids. Zhang gil Jah and Joo Cheol Kim will be judged so hard if they don’t tell the actual truth just money hungry evil people.
Dutty Karrut says
A girl I use to date tried recruiting me to that church. She told me I was ” chosen “. I grew up in the Seventh Day Church of GOD in Jamaica but we do NOT pray to no ” mother god” or ” christ ahn Sahnghong “. We believe in the only one true GOD. Long story short we dated for a year with some issues but we were always sexually active even after she took the ” passover”. When I started going to that church I realized it was a cult. I warned her a few times about but she’s so brainwashed that she cannot see the truth. I really hope GOD help her to open her eyes.
Anonymous says
I was a member for 9 years. I last attended in 2019. I just wanted to say that I appreciate what youâre doing here with your website. This is all so accurate and spot on. âOwn mindâ *cringe* How extraordinarily harmful those words were for me. I became a shell of a person filled with self-hatred (the goal). Reading all of this does make me uncomfortable, because it brings back the experience, but Iâm glad to be on the other side of all of it. I had a mental breakdown from the pressure of it all (I was there 7 days a week for years and was terrified of the end of the world) and it wasnât until I had that break from attending that I allowed myself to really explore the doubts I had. I decided to âeat from the tree of knowledge of good and evilâ and go on the internet to look up some things I had been wondering about, and it was a lot to take in.
It took a while for me to drop the language. It was my therapist, who specializes in cults, who pointed out the way I was speaking, and that that was part of the mind control. I still canât talk about the Bible without my voice falling back into thatâŠaccent. Anyway, I hope this site helps people.
Anonymous says
Ah yes! Many of these were things that helped break the spell of blind faith. Especially the tax and financial documents. I remember being utterly appalled when I read the reason for starting the church. I thought, how could pastor write such blasphemy on the tax form! And then in the financial documents it said that members were paid for caring for the children. Well I was in the kids room for years and I never saw a penny. It was our blessing, our mission, we didnât expect to get paid. But what I realized is that the church was/is engaging in tax fraud.
About number 10, Iâve been wondering how they were going to play that. Sheâs getting closer to the end of her life. We were absolutely told that she would never die. That we would go up to heaven alive with her (if we were the 144,000). For that reason I have been waiting for her death ever since I left the church. I donât mean that in a malicious way. Of course I donât wish an early death on anyone. What I mean is Iâve been waiting for her death because her dying would prove she isnât God. Sometimes I have moments where for a second I become paralyzed with fear because of the thought I was wrong for leaving, and that it all really is the truth. I donât know if that will ever go away. Maybe it just takes time. But if she were to die, no, when she dies, everything else topples. I feel like Iâll be free.
bethebeauty says
You’re wrong because they were teaching their new âfamilyâ, âThe Bible only predicts that Jesus will rise, not that our father and mother god will not die.â
In Case You’re wondering how I know, I just joined this church a week ago and they said that.
Anonymous says
First off, yes correct, the We Love You Foundation is a front, and we were told not to disclose any relationship to the church. The goal of the foundation is actually to âbring glory to motherâ. One of the prophecies that need to be fulfilled is for the glory of mother to be seen throughout the whole world. This is to be done by helping mother win the Nobel peace prize. We were reminded at every volunteer event that the purpose was to bring glory to mother and preach (indirectly if it was a We Love You event).
Second, Daejayon is another front. This is on college campuses. Itâs an environmental group meant to find new members on campus by getting them to join and participate in the club.
Finally, I am certain Big Shine is just for money laundering. The âemployeesâ are all church members. And the way the money movesâŠ
Anonymous says
Thank you for covering this. This hit home. I felt rage while reading this. They failed me. Worse than that, they really harmed me. I almost committed suicide. And they blamed me for not having enough faith. âDonât you want to be an ox?â He asked me as I sat in the office. Next to me was my team leader, who had told me previously to stop thinking about myself in the midst of me having hallucinations and panicking. A few months later is when I had a total mental breakdown. I guess I should thank them, because that was the only thing that got me to stop attending. Ugh.
Anonymous says
It’s not just that their teachings don’t add up, their practices don’t add up either – they make fun of the Jews for following the Old Testament, yet they follow the Festivals from the Old Testament; other religions are stupid for having idols, yet they idolize and sing songs about a Korean man as “the new Christ”; they require tithe but nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus say you must do that; and the Apostles also do not preach the Passover, yet that is the Way to Heaven. They’re hypocrites.
Iya says
I am so ashamed of myself for believing them. I have a friend that is highly invested in wmscog. I dont know how to tell him the truth without offending him and his belief in them. I will never forgive myself if i do nothing about it.
DinoZEd says
I was approached recently by a member of this community. Thank you for keeping this site up to decipher their mission, and for me to easily be ready next time. Reading the Bible out of context is VERY dangerous and can lead you wayward.
Jason says
nvm, please ignore delete that… I see ch 36 now
Cheryl says
This church is nothing but a cult. Praying to Christ Ahnsonghong and Mother God alive in Korea. According to them Christ has been a second time. Utter rot. Where in bible does it mention mother god in kore, christ ahnsonghong for that matter. They say he cane to restore feasts…. Utter rubbish the feasts were nailed to the cross. Anyone teaching what is not in bible is a false prophet. Im glad i got out of this False Church.
Elle says
Thank you so much for providing such detail, thorough, researched evidence of how this church operates. I participated in these events for years and felt so proud of it but now all I feel is resentment for not seeing the hypocrisy and wasting sooo much of my time, energy, and money on their nonsense. When youâre deep in it, you just canât think for yourself. You think you can, but youâre not.
Elle says
Thank you so much for sharing this. Coming out of that church left me with so much resentment. For 8 years I struggled so much with my finances & when I only gave the minimum I could afford I felt soooo guilty. All that time I couldâve not struggled so much or put that money towards experiences and opportunities that would enrich my life. I couldâve saved up to buy a house or a car. But just left picking up the broken pieces. Just used and tossed aside. Please if anyone is thinking of giving anything to this church, just donât. Please research them well. They will pretend to care about you but all they care about is numbers. Youâre just another number to them. I was once a leader and all I could think about was my numbers, how many of my members were attending, preaching, tithing, etc. I did care about them as ppl but mostly I was just stressed about keeping them there bc per the church my salvation depended on those #s. & at the end of the day, most of those relationships are surface level in the real world. Once I stopped going, absolutely no one reached out to me to ask how I was or why I stopped. I was grateful but also deeply saddened to realize that I really meant nothing to any of them. Just another number.
What also sucks is that itâs so difficult to find a job that will allow you to never work on saturdays, I had to turn down sooo many great job offers. I was never able to take jobs that would eventually lead me to a M-F job that would pay very well and give me more financial freedom. Didnât happen until after I left. Now I have an amazing well paying job working M-F but Iâm still struggling to pay off all the debt I racked up during all the years I attended that church. The pressure is so real, especially when youâre made to feel like your soul will be condemned to hell if you donât squeeze out every penny you have.
John says
Soo, youâre saying even Ahnsahnghong didnât fulfill his own requirements of Elijah (technically Ahnsahnghong said itâŠ)
The WMSCOG misleads people by teaching that the Elohim creator is plural. The reason people fall into their trap is bc of almost every personâs lack of understanding the Hebrew language, & particularly, Hebrew grammar (which is understandable).
If the creator elohim being described in Gen 1:26-27 was indeed plural, the verbs used to describe that elohim beingâs creation work would be plural.
As it is, the Hebrew verbs used to describe the Creator in Gen 1:27 are singular verbs. Meaning the Creator Elohim is not plural, but singular.
Compare that to Ps 82:1 This verse shows that the Creator (a singular elohim being; Yahweh) speaking to other (lesser) elohim beings (multiple Elohim beings).
B/c of of the verbs used in Hebrew, we can know that the Elohim Creator in Gen 1 is not plural, but singular. Thus, the WMSCOGâs distortion of the meaning elohim is just another example of what they do best (2 Peter 3:15-16).
Gloria says
Iâve been attending this church for a year now and I am thinking of leaving, I know God ask of us to keep the Sabbath and passover but worshiping a person doesnât feel organic. Also some of the rules feel bizarre and tyrannical, I refuse to accept That a loving almighty God has that personality.or is concern about minuscule things, They do a lot of bible studies must most of the time if feels like a lot of Cherry picking to validate what theyâre trying to have me learn at the moment, I also have a sense of bible worshiping not taking at all into account the actual story of the Bible, I like the people there everyone is nice and sweet and I donât have much of a social life outside of church. So I am split, I know they are not my friends and will forget about me the moment I stop going.
Jessica says
thank you so much for your help to allow me to see that itâs not the true church i wasted enough time there. thank you!
Gillen says
The bible says that the GOOD NEWS will be preach until the end of the world swiftly. I say Amen Hope you will someday.
Rein says
Thanks to Father and Mother. God Elohim our God the Father Ahnsahnghong and God the Mother Zahng Gil Jah are the true God who created heavens and the earth and who give to all humankind the promise of Eternal Life.
Joe Stalyn says
Thanks to Father and Mother. Satanic Elohim our Satanic Father Ahnsahnghong and Satanic the Mother Zahng Gil Jah are the true Satan who created sin and misery and who give to all humankind the promise of Eternal Suffering.
Joseph says
They literally call depression, spiritual leprosy ( leprosy like job). They have no solution for it, but rather just brush it off as it’s your problem and if you stay depressed then God doesn’t want you. In their own words!
Erick says
I’m so scared, every time I read on this web page, I don’t know what to do, can some ex members tell me on what true they are? I don’t wanna leave the Church, but i don’t know is this the true or not, im doubting, im so afraid of hell and i don’t wanna go to that place, some one please help me, can you guys give me solid proof that Ahs and Zahng aren’t god?
Billie says
Wmscog is not racist be for real
Michelle says
please send me some information to pull my daughter from this church. This church is consuming all of her
Eric Luong says
Hello, my name is Eric and work for a law firm named Grachev in the city of Toronto. I am doing a research to find out some facts about World Mission Society Church of God. Abbreviation is WMSCOG. Would you please verify and explain if the information below is correct.
1. Is it right that WMSCOG does NOT allow participants to take pictures or videos?
2. Is it right that WMSCOG does NOT provide baptism certificate?
3. Is it right that WMSCOG does NOT provide any document/certification for the members of the Church proofing that they belong to the Church?.
Thank you very much for your assistance.
eric.
Joseph r godleski says
They are a cult I attended one service and when you disagree
With what they believe they throw you out of their church
M.T. says
I was researching a lot of their verses and sayings that they used in their teachings and I felt so upset and disappointed in myself that I believed in their nonsense. I learned from a friend about them and slowly I was dragged in with false hope and promises they told me about the afterlife. They told me that each soul that passes the gate of heaven gets the power of creation (which is absurd) and that they can create anything and everything they imagine (which sounds like fantasy). I was dragged in and to be honest at first I’ve bitten the catch they had in store for me. But a year and a half later I started to feel more doubt that would often lead to me and my friend having arguments where he’d tell me that I’m overthinking the whole thing and that no matter what they say or do it’s all for the God’s (Father and Mother) pleasure. After a while I left without a word and never came back to their meeting place. Overall it was a confusing and weird experience that still haunts me till this day.
Godpleasefindme says
Hello, I am so confuse now. Should I continue to go to zion or should I stop? I am scared because it could cause my soul send to hell. I wish God will guide me to see the truth. Zang gil Jah commit adultery because she got divorce. I want to know more why she not marry ahn when they are single. And if Zang gil Jah is God she should know when is the end of the world because only God knows the end. If she is God she should know. And matthew 6:1 said don’t show righteousness but they always command us to do cleaning and blood drive to show righteousness. Everything is conflicted.
Paul Chu says
The world mission society church of god in Middletown, Connecticut is causing trouble in my town. So many people forced to clean the church and go to services 12 hours a day all weekend. Not to mention they demand so much money! Thank you for this wonderful interview, which I know will help people starting to question the church
AMSJ says
“I am a Catholic. When I was in 7th grade, a Korean guy courted me, but I didn’t want to date at such a young age. We became official when I was in 9th grade. Later, I found out that he is a member of the World Mission Society Church of God. I didn’t break up with him immediately because he was deeply in love with me and promised to leave the organization for me. However, I was afraid that they would ruin my life, so I ultimately decided to break up with him and let him remain a member of the church. I cried all night after the breakup.”
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Billy says
I am here, I was born on 09/28/1988.
My name is Billy Gilliland
On 4/23/2000 I came in contact with the light bearer.
MaryFrances Crum says
ALL PRAISE BE TO ELOHIM GOD đ
han says
a pseudo (World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG)
They got real upset that I knew about Ahn sang Hong. I got it out of them that no-one is supposed to tell anyone about this until 3 months of study. More like brainwashing.
han says
The Church of God has been in litigation with victim organizations for seven years, from December 2013 to October 2020, and currently has approximately 150 civil and criminal cases pending. South Korean courts have ruled against the Church of God as follows.
[Case No. 2015NA2032729] The Church of God repeatedly preached the end of the world from 1988 to 2012, and trillions of dollars in assets amassed by the Church of God have been linked to the end of the world.
[Case No. 2016DO21129] The Church of God has conducted trainings that promote divorce and family breakdown, and several divorces have occurred.
[Case No. 2015No542] A Church of God member tied a 4-year-old child’s hands with a tie, taped his mouth shut, and assaulted his mother with a knife for over an hour in front of the child.
[Case No. 2017NA2069268] The Church of God taught that unbelieving husbands and family members are demons and that earthly families are fake. It also taught that failure to tithe and evangelize is a curse from God.
Amy says
The Church of God has been in litigation with victim organizations for seven years, from December 2013 to October 2020, and currently has approximately 150 civil and criminal cases pending. South Korean courts have ruled against the Church of God as follows.
[Case No. 2015NA2032729] The Church of God repeatedly preached the end of the world from 1988 to 2012, and trillions of dollars in assets amassed by the Church of God have been linked to the end of the world.
[Case No. 2016DO21129] The Church of God has conducted trainings that promote divorce and family breakdown, and several divorces have occurred.
[Case No. 2015No542] A Church of God member tied a 4-year-old child’s hands with a tie, taped his mouth shut, and assaulted his mother with a knife for over an hour in front of the child.
[Case No. 2017NA2069268] The Church of God taught that unbelieving husbands and family members are demons and that earthly families are fake. It also taught that failure to tithe and evangelize is a curse from God.
J says
This church views members as a dollar sign and everything is transactional with them. I was a member for 2 years. I left once I realized how they were using me for money. They told me to break up with my boyfriend. What made me leave is when they start telling me not to bring my coworker that was autistic. And that I should bring people that are rich into the church. Just save your time and leave. Theyâre good at manipulating. And if you have family members that go there do not argue with them, because the church will separate your family from you. They will gaslight and tell them â youâre blessed because youâre being persecutedâ and the members become even more involved. Let your family member see their true colors on their own. Thatâs what I did, nobody could say anything to me about this church. But one day I learned from my mistake.
Laura Barlaj says
Good afternoon,
I am the Community Director of Sahara West, the apartment community directly behind your church. You have a painting project going on and your painters have created a huge mess on our property that needs to be cleaned. – there is paint that has run off onto our parking lot. They were very rude and uncooperative when we spoke to them. Contact me to make arrangements to have this taken care of. I do not want to pursue this further so please correct the situation.
Valeria says
Hola! su pagina es oro puro para estudiar sobre esta secta y compartir con las personas que se encuentran dentro de ella, ayer una joven me estaba compartiendo sobre lo que piensan. Por favor, alguno podrĂa enviarme material (en español) sobre ellos?? sean documentos, videos, etc.. Los videos que estĂĄn en esta pagina estĂĄn en ingles y no tienen subtĂtulos đ
Azraeel says
I got a women invite in the street of Deajeon, South Korea. I was soo much out of mind! What? A women is the bride of Jesus?!!! She had a husband also! She is what?! Why she born in Korea?! Where jesus then!
Is it all the false mesiha stuff here! Shit she try to brain wash me
I am Muslim and I believe is jesus as god chosen one. But here I see jesus family.
Jimmy says
Hello,
I have heard that there will be/is already a new WMSCOG location in Hillsboro/Beaverton Oregon? Anybody know anything about this?
Jimmy
Geraldine Stephens says
So happy to find you on the web. I have a grandson who has fell into the same domination that you are talking about. He preaches to me and tells me I am going to hell. He tries to get me to sit down and study the Bible with him.. His mother will be delighted to watch these videos. It will help us to understand WMS and hopefully get him out of that Church,
My comment is short only. I believe the 2nd coming of Christ and female God.
Beth says
Idk about all the ones that claim they were in the dark about the teachings of the Church God. When I first came across 2 ladies inviting me to a Bible Study, they made me aware of God the Father and the Mother… I am not yet baptized, currently, attend Bible study (at my own will and when I have time), and have attended one service, with this said, nothing has been forced on me. I believe that we all should join any church that makes us feel at peace or study on our own, either way, you will find what you are looking for. Blessings to all those seeking the light.
For any WMSCOG members, Please red the Bible for yourself.. Ahn Sing Hong is not Jesus and there is no 40 year prophecies in the Bible.
Here is how you know the WMSCOG is wrong with the 40 year Prophecy. First off any Bible Scholar will tell you that the ministry of Jesus could of been longer or shorter than 3 years it is an approximation based on counting the number of ceremonial Feast recorded that Jesus attended after his baptism . Because it is approximate it can’t be linked to any prophecy (we really do not know the length of Jesus’s ministry). Second King David’s reigning as King at 30 and Jesus been baptized at 30 is not Prophetic in any way and not one scripture supports that claim. Age 30 was a preferred age for a Rabbi to start his journey, but is not set in stone. 30 is just a most likely an age for maturity in Jewish culture. Jonah’s 3 days in the fish is prophetic of the death and resurrection of Jesus not his ministry.
Disaster_will_come says
what is the book that you point in the chapter 36?Book of what?
No one says
As a former member the church seems to be all fine and dandy when you’re inside but the love only is for the members if you are not a member they don’t show you that love they teach about ladder of your life should be where it’s God husband so on and so forth down the line what they leave out is there’s only time for God there’s no time for anything else you miss kids games practices when you are an outsider looking in you have to rearrange your whole life to participate with somebody that’s in there but that always changes because in the small churches they call them house churches because they’re at someone’s house they only operate normally about three times a month and then you got to go to a temple so now you got to pay for hotel rooms or get up and travel very early in the morning they teach about you are supposed to have your home in order before you enter the church but there is no room for home because everything is about the church you are not you are not allowed to watch TV you’re not allowed to preach the old people for homeless so only people with money can go to heaven and to go on with that even further if you are in the smaller groups house churches it doesn’t really matter what is going on because if you are not the one paying the most money you have no say in any of the rules because everything in that church is subject to change at the drop of a hat it’s all right to treat people wrong it is okay to do what you want to do as long as you’re paying money I still really don’t know how to figure out how this is not on a government watch list for terrorist they say about all the good things they’ve done but looking at it it looks like they are trying to get enough people all over the world to control the world
Hani says
What can you say about that WMSCOG got recognition from Queen Elizabeth .
âUK Zion, a volunteer group associated with WMSCOG in the UK, did receive the Queenâs Award for Voluntary Service in 2016â
âSome WMSCOG sources may state or imply that the Queen âpraisedâ their theological teachings (e.g. belief in âGod the Motherâ) or that the award implies approval of doctrine. I found no credible source that shows the Queen ever officially endorsed or recognized WMSCOGâs religious doctrines.
âą The process for the Queenâs Award for Voluntary Service involves nomination, verification of volunteer service, and final formal approval, but not theological vetting. â
I have a beloved one in this church Iâm learning how delicate the situation is đ„čđ„
Mason Johnson says
I literally have read all comments available via YouTube and this site and let me humbly say, the 2 make more sense then any doctrine Iâve heard from my 2 sisters and a friend of mines in the past decade Iâve known of its existence.
During one of the services I attended in the NJ location, I heard the pastor warn members about the internet being the tree of knowlege of good and evil because “mother said if you eat of it you will surely die”. I aksed one of the members for clarification on this and she told me that members have stopped attending the church because of lies that are spread on the internet. So I asked, how does that make the person dead? She replied, that if you stop coming to the church, you are then considered spiritually dead. I’m not sure that I’m buying that explanation but many there are accepting it as true.
I have been persecuted as well. I must be the true Church for I have been persecuted just like Jesus Christ. I have taken up my CROSS and followed him. Why doesn’t this church have crosses in or on their churches? I know why, it’s because they want to remove anything that will remind their member of the true way to salvation. This is the same reason why they don’t want their members to celebrate Christmas. Oh they have made up their own reasons for these things such as the cross is an offensive object used to kill and the roots of Christmas are pagan. Whatever. Christmas replaced the pagans holiday and gave us Christians a day to declare our happiness for the birth of our Savior. Don’t believe the teachings of the WMSCOG as regards to these things. The only thing that makes sense is that they are removing as much of Jesus and the one true God as they can in order to make their filth seem like truth.
Amen to you, buddy.
Hey.
First and foremost, i apologize if i sound rude. There is one thing i must assure you here, the WMSCOG does not stop people from questioning, in fact, they have bible studies where people start to bombard them questions. I am quite certain you have heard about the media interview towards the WMSCOG. There, the reporters were stumped at their answers because there is evidently no other truth other than what they talk about. You are not the first to have posted things about the WMSCOG and will not be the last, but should you slander them without seeking the truth, i think it’s not being fair to them. You might not have tried, maybe you could have bombarded them the questions you have posted here. i am very sure, every single details, would all be answered.
thank you.
Hi Cassandra,
Thanks for your post. I do not mean to sound rude either, but neither I, nor anyone I know, have ever heard about this media interview with the WMSCOG. When did it happen? Could you please tell me the date it was aired, the station, and what program it was on? Is there a record of it somewhere?
Secondly, I take exception to your accusation of “slandering”. I’m sorry if I sound rude, but this is not a term you should toss around lightly, and so I think perhaps I should explain why you should be careful using it. Slandering is the same as defamation, or making “false statements”. This is a very serious charge, and one that has legal implications. That being said, the above article is not defamation for the following three reasons: 1.) the quotes from their web site are truthful and actual quotes as cited. 2.) my opinion of those quotes is covered under the “fair comments and criticism clause” of free speech law. 3.) the event described above actually happened.
Now, you can see why your charge of slandering is actually without basis. One should be able to voice their opinion about an actual personal experience, without being falsely accused of malicious behavior. All I have done in this article is say what my experience was, quote from their official sermon, and stated how I can not reconcile it with Scripture. That is hardly “slander”.
In regard to your latter point, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but my questions have not been answered, and they indeed have been asked of members. Again, here on this site, they are asked and are available for anyone to freely refute. I, myself, can not reconcile the Scripture verses above with the WMSCOG preaching I heard both in person and on their web site. Can you?
i believe and i want to know more and i will be baptized soon and am in zimbabwe.
Hi Laureen,
How familiar are you with the WMSCOG doctrine? How many studies have you done with them? What in particular did you hear that made you decide? Do you know the time commitment involved? Have you asked them if there is a monetary commitment involved? Have you compared them to similar organizations? Have they told you that the end is near and do they tell you when that will be? I do not advise been baptized by any church until you are familiar with their beliefs and who it is that they worship. It would be best for you to make an informed decision. The WMSCOG teaches many things that, in my opinion, deviate from mainstream Christianity. They also teach things that, in my opinion, are blasphemy, and clearly go against the Bible. They believe that their founder was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, however here you can read some of what their founder writes and how it contradicts what is in the Bible. Also, remember that Jesus Christ gave us warning against false messiahs that would come in His name. He warned us not to be misled because His Second Coming would be at the end of the world and unmistakable. This obviously, has not happened yet. The Bible also tells us that salvation is found through no other name than Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12), but the WMSCOG prays not in the name of Jesus Christ, but in the name of their founder. To me, this is a very clear warning sign that something is not right.
One of the more alarming things to me about the WMSCOG to me though is that they worship a Korean lady whom they believe is god. This Korean lady (her name is Zhang Gil Hah) is also the chairwoman of the International We Love U Foundation, however that site makes no mention of any claim to divinity. See for yourself here. This is a very serious red flag to me. My friends in the WMSCOG are always talking about how people must keep the Passover and feasts to be saved. Well if that is true, then why do they keep them on the wrong dates? Or even more alarming, how come Zhang Gil Jah doesn’t say anything on the International We Love U Foundation’s web site? That doesn’t seem very loving to me.
In all, the similarities between the WMSCOG and other controversial groups such as the Unification Church (the moonies) are too great to leave one comfortable. As you can see, the story of their founders is very similar.
The truth can always stand up to questioning Laureen. My recommendation to you is to read the articles in our Evidence section to see for yourself what the Bible teaches vs what the WMSCOG teaches. Please feel free to ask any other questions through our Contact form, or here on the comments section. We would be happy to help.
May God bless you in your search for the truth, and please let us know if you have any other questions.
I lost my daughter to this group.
They told her not to believe anything on internet.
She does not listen to us (my husband & I). She even said that her minister was her dad. How can we bring her back? She’s been with them only 3 months and brainwashed so quickly.
Hi Naoko,
Unfortunately, e-mails to your address are bouncing back as undeliverable. Can you please contact us using our Contact page so we can assist you?
Thank you
They forgot when God asked job where he was before God formed the earth…
God told Isaiah, My ways are not your ways. Neither are my thgohuts your thgohuts. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thgohuts than yours. I always thought that was God saying to us, Don’t hurt your feeble little brain. Just let me figure it out for you. Just keep doing what you are doing Pastor. We are with you, because we believe that you are with Him!
When did Jesus Christ ever claim to be God? He simply quoted verses that proved his prophesy being true. Only those who have an ear can hear, and those w/eyes can see.
Welcome annonomous and thank you for commenting. If Jesus Christ never claimed to be God, then why was He put to death? Perhaps you are scanning the Bible for where Jesus says “I am God”, but that’s not how Christ spoke. Jesus made many claims of divinity. To cite just a few:
John 10:30: Jesus says, “I and the Father are one”
John 5:39-40 Jesus says, “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life”.
Matthew 26:64-65 the high priest himself attests to Christ’s claim of divinity: “Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, ‘He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.”
Annonomous, Jesus clearly says that He and the Father are one and that you can go to Him to have life.
Did Ahnsahnghong ever claim to be one with the Father or Jesus Christ? Did he ever claim that people could go to him to have life? If so, please provide evidence from his own writings. Thank you and may God bless you.
Thank you Admin for this response. Very well said and so true!
Thank you Katie. I hope it was helpful.
You will be condemned for replacing And comparing Jesus will angsanghong
This is an EXCELLENT resource for me and my family as we try to combat my brother’s continual insistance that the WMSCOG is the way. Can you help me find where Ahnsahnghong’s writings are? Can I order them somewhere so I can be more prepared? Do you have more of his falsities debunked? If so can you pass them along? This site is a real help to me and I really appreciate you taking the time to help. I am curious, why did you get involved with this process of disproving them?
Hi Katie,
Thank you for your kind words on our article. Yes, the WMSCOG says that their founder Ahnsahnghong was the second coming of Jesus Christ, but not only does Ahn makes no such claim in his writings, but he actually contradicts the Bible as you read above. Now, how can God contradict Himself? It simply isn’t possible. So either Scripture is right or Ahnsahnghong is right, but it can’t be both.
Not only does Ahnsahnghong do violence to the Scriptures in his own writings, but the church he founded, the WMSCOG, preaches things contrary to what Ahnsahnghong wrote. I don’t think I can underscore that point enough:
Here you have the founder who contradicts the Bible, and the church that contradicts the founder.
Where does that leave you? Can you still believe it to be truth? I think the mistakes and contradictions are all too evident, and others are spotting these problems as well as you can read about in Top 10 Reasons People Cease to Believe in the WMSCOG
Now, there are other sections of the site you may find useful. Many of the WMSCOG’s doctrine is refuted in our Evidence section. We also have a forum. There is even a Facebook group for family members and former members that I would recommend joining. Another good site with lots of biblical arguments is: http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/
As to finding Ahnsahnghong’s books, you can usually only get them from a WMSCOG “church”. They are quite hard to come by, but they can be had. We get our copies from former members. If you live in Korea, then Ahnsahnhong’s books are available from the public library.
Why did we get involved? There are many reasons. You can read our mission statement here, but in short, as a follower of Jesus Christ, I believe that the WMSCOG preaches blasphemy.
How can I get a copy of ASH’s books? Can you send a copy via email?
Hi Devlin,
As to finding Ahnsahnghongâs books, you can usually only get them from a WMSCOG âchurchâ. They are quite hard to come by, but they can be had. We get our copies from former members. If you live in Korea, then Ahnsahnhongâs books are available from the public library.
We do not have permission to re-distribute the books, but pertinent portions are periodically cited on this site in our research which is covered under the copyright fair use clause.
Thanks..
While I was reading your writings , I thought that I should to tell you this verse.
Matthew 22:29 ” Jesus replied, ” You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God “
Hi Reina,
That is a great verse. Can you please be more specific about which verses you believe I am in interpreting in error? I would like this dialogue to be constructive.
Thank you.
The bible clearly testifies about Heavenly mother.
(Rev 22:17) The Spirit and the birde say “come” And let him who hears say, “come” whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life.
In the last days the Spirit and the Bride give us the water of life which is eternal life. So we can understand the Bride is God Almighty.
Our Heavenly mother !!!
Hi Reina,
Thank you for your response. I am very interested in debating this topic. Here are some comments on the points you raise:
1. The bride in Revelation 22:17 clearly refers to the church, and not to any “mother god”, because the Bible everywhere refers to the church as “the bride”. This was pointed out in the original article above.
So your task with Revelation 22:17 is to demonstrate why the term “bride” in this verse does not mean “church”, when everywhere else in Scripture it is constantly used as a metaphor for the church. As Ahnsahnghong says in The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life, “we must let the Bible interpret the Bible”. Interpreting this verse here as anything other than “the church” does violence to the metaphor used throughout the Bible, as well as Ahnsahnghong’s own directive.
2. Ahnsahnghong says what he believes Revelation 22:17 means in “The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life” in Ch 35, on p. 473 when he writes:
So, on the one hand Ahn Sahng-Hong, the man the WMSCOG claims is the second coming of Jesus Christ says it means one thing, and on the other hand, your argument says it means something else. Do you see the problem?
Ashnsahnghong says that Rev 22:17 refers to “Jesus Christ”, and the argument you raise says it refers to a “heavenly mother”. I guess if we want to follow Ahnsahnghong, I’d have to say he has already proven that argument wrong. So if we want to listen to Ahnsahnghong, then Rev 22:17 refers to Jesus Christ and not to any “heavenly mother”.
Your thoughts?
is that it? I’m sure there are other verses in the bible that proves your opinion, right? If not, f*** off and get out of that damned church because the next thing you know, they will be ordering you to commit suicide when your “mother” died.
The WMS Church of God has not ever predicted the end of the world. The bible tells us that the end of it’s prophecy is in 2012, but we do not know the time or day of the end. The last day will come “Like a thief in the night”.
This article has to be false.
Hello DavidsOffspring,
Thank you for reading the article and leaving a comment.
I think that you should ask your WMSCOG pastor regarding this one. Ahnsahnghong seems to have indeed predicted the end in 1988 and there is a pamphlet that is said to have been distributed by members of the church when it was called “Ahnsahnghong’s Witnesses” which you can read here.
But I am curious, what makes you say that the “bible tells us that the end of it’s prophecy is in 2012”? Do you arrive at this calculation the same way that this pamphlet does? If not, I would be interested in the verses and calculations you use to arrive at this number.
Hope to hear from you soon.
I don’t think he has a response to that. Sad that members can’t defend their belief but desperately hold onto it.
Answer: 1844 was the fulfillment of atonement day according to the 2300 days and nights consecration of sanctuary.. during the first year Moses went with Israel God established the feasts. Atonement day was appointed 7th month 10th day of the fIrst year comI g out of egypt. It Took 168 days until first day of the second year from coming out of Egypt that they finished the sanctuary.. the mission of the church is the great gathering to take place in the last days. Bible says God people make up the spiritual material for the heavenly sanctuary.. bible prophecies show when all Gods people have gatherd in the last days this heavenly sanctuary will be finished.. now a day in prophecy is fulfilled as a year in history.. from atonement day to completion of the temple was 168 days.. so 1844 adding the 168 years adds to 2012.. did you understand? Maybe not…
We covered those calculations in this article here. So does that mean that you believe the world is going to end in 2012. There are only a few months left. What do you plan to do when nothing happens this year?
My prayer is that all from WMS will come out of their blindness and find the only true God and Jesus Christ. Time is short. Jesus wants all who are miserable, blind, naked and lost to find him. Satan is the father of all lies. If you believe these delusions, then you will also bow before the antichrist when he comes with his signs and wonders in the end of days. Wake up before it’s too late.
How can you possibly say that ? HOW ? Do you not see the END OF WORLD FLYER on the first page of this Website ? Do you not see the GREEN BOOK changes article. Do you not see the Ji Won Tak lawsuit article ? Bury your head in the sand and go worship this fake deity and don’t forget (they won’t let you) to give em all your money. So obviously fake, it’s not even debatable.
above statement seems true you cannot Denise that we were taught that world would end in 2012 put your hands on your heart don’t tell lie ok.
I agree. Plus God can do whatever She wants lol she cannot treason against herself lol. There has never been a date when the world will end. Nobody knows. Love you Mother!
No one will ever be able to grasp this spiritual concept of how out gods have to come in the flesh just to reteach their lost brothers and sisters god has not said one thing about the end regardless of proving anything to anyone the one who keeps calling on Jesus follows nun of his ways or teach whole heartedly we all should check carefully within ourselves and still ask our self have I been seen blameless in the lords eyes we know this is the last days the time we live 1 day to god is 1,000âyears so whatever you choose to believe ask your self do you have the seal of god and will you enter heaven when the dead and the living is raised we a sinful beings tht over look ourselves
Well that came and went đ
You just have a misunderstanding. Nowhere in his books, or sermons does Ahnsahnghong indicate that the bride is the church. In no way, shape, or form does that interpretation of the verse make any sense. A bride will never mean a church. Not now, not tomorrow, and not ever. If you want to discuss this more, we can. But first, read about the Heavenly Wedding Banquet in Matthew 22, then Rev. 21 followed by Galatians 4:26.
It says Jesus will come in the flesh again and cry out.. that is followed by a verse in John stating “Your word is truth”. Jesus was crying out the truth. When Jesus cried out at the Feast, he was teaching about the truth (John 7). When he comes a 2nd time, he will cry out the truth. Meaning, he will teach about the truth, crying out for his children. John 1 states that God’s children are not born of natural descent, or human nature, or a husband’s will.. but born of God.
Hello DavidsOffspring and thank you for commenting.
You stated “Nowhere in his books, or sermons does Ahnsahnghong indicate that the bride is the church”. But in the above article you can see the direct quotes from Ahnsahnghong’s books where he describes the bride as “the saints who are redeemed can be called the last Eve” on page 55 in “Visitors From The Angelic World”. This is Ahn saying that the bride is the church. Do you have a copy of the book that you can reference so that you can see it for yourself?
You stated “A bride will never mean a church”, yet Scripture is replete with exactly this metaphor. For instance 2 Corinthians 11:2-3:
or even more clearly Ephesians 5:29-32:
Clearly the church is referred to as the bride in these verses. Note that Paul says “your minds” when speaking to members of the church.
Now, we are quickly bringing in a lot of additional verses. I would encourage you to mention these as separate posts in our forum so that we can further discuss each one. I would be very interested in studying the arguments in more detail so we can clear up any misunderstanding. As a quick follow up though, in regard to Galatians 4:26, please see this article, and for the wedding banquet in general I would recommend this article.
Also, please specify which verses in Revelation 21 you are referring to.
You stated, “It says Jesus will come in the flesh again and cry out.. that is followed by a verse in John stating…”. Can you please expand on this more?
It would be helpful if you could start a separate topic for each of your points in the forum. That way we can address each of the points accurately and the focus of the questions will not be lost.
Hope to hear from you soon.
My son who is a member told me a year and a half ago that the COG members did tell him the world was ending in 2012. Afterwards, he denied it, saying that some members had “incorrectly” preached that date. However, about the same time, two other members told my daughter in law that the world definitely was ending in 2012. When she said what would happen if it didn’t, this hard core member told her that if it didn’t happen the church should put a lock on the door and bar entry. He was that sure. I would like to know now what this member would say if asked. Bet he lies!
Mountain Mom, I saw your blogs on jaime’s blog website. I saw several references to the cult watch website and ended up here. I’m glad I found all of you. How is your son doing?
My son just joined the group and I’m doing everything I can to get him out. Thank you too for referencing Hassan’s book – I just ordered a copy. I am looking for all the help I can get.
Hi Devlin,
Please join us in the Former Members World Mission Society Church of God Facebook group where you can speak with former members, friends and family.
Hello MountainMom,
I’m not sure that the excuse about the members “incorrectly” preaching the 2012 date is going to work anymore. Now there is irrefutable proof of the WMSCOG’s 2012 prediction in the court case referenced here:
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/the-wmscogs-failed-doomsday-predictions-1988-1999-2012-what-will-they-predict-next/
Oh and my son told me they said the world will end in 2018. He has no idea the original date is 2012. They are moving it out 6 years.
Hi Devlin,
This is new to us. Do you know how they calculated the 2018? Our friends in the WMSCOG are still saying 2012.
I’m going “IN” and will be prepared with all my questions – especially all the ones I’ve read in all the blogs. And I will confirm the 2018 year.
I’m so thankful for your group and your determination to expose their lies. I’m sure there are so many others out there that we can help – I will do my best to not only save my son but those I come into contact with in his group.
Devlin,
I suggest you review the Angels Before series of articles to prepare in addition to what you have already read. There is a wealth of info in our Evidence section that I hope you will find useful.
Thank you for helping me to open my eyes. This people knocked at my door just a few weeks ago and I made the mistake of letting them enter my home. Thanks to pages like this and other similar I’ve visited I’ve realized that this “organization” is not a church at all, and that this kind of manipulation represents a serious risk for all of us: mankind.
Sincerely: thanks to you
Carlos
Hello Carlos,
Thank you so much for your kinds words of encouragement! Please warn everyone you know so that they can have the opportunity to make an informed decision like you did.
I’ll keep you in my prayers, friend. Just know you are not alone. Please take care of yourself and your precious unborn child. May the Lord give you strength and courage to find your way. God bless you.
Your courage to raise this child in spite of your parents’ current mindset is a testament to your love for the Lord, and an encouragement to us all. I wish that others, including myself, were as strong and as loving as you. May you be richly blessed in all that you do, and may God keep you and your baby safe.
Thank you for sharing your story. You will be in my prayers. Remember, you are not in this alone. There is always help out there when times get tough, whether it comes through friends, or even official charity groups through a legitimate church. Eventually your parents will come around–I’ve seen it before. Feel free to contact me through the forum on this site if you need anything. I mean it.
God bless you for doing the right thing. Stick with the Lord even in tough times, and He will take care of you (remember Job).
Hello there, I am a member of the church of God and firmly believe that God Elohim is Ahnsahnghong and Zang il Yah. Not because they claimed to be but because there is more than enough evidence in the bible that prove it. 2000 years ago Jesus comended peter for correctly recognizing him, it was a prophesy that in these last days there will be speculations about the appearance and correct recognition of the spirit and the bride, but just as Jesus was prophesied in the bible, so were the spirit and the bride, from whom Jesus said we should receive the water of life from in the last days. I will repeat what necodemus the pharisee said “leave the church of God alone for if it is from man it will fail, but if it is from God, you will only find yourself fighting against the Almighty Elohim. Seek spiritual Wisdom my friend and find understanding only from God, through the scriptures that testify about him, so you may come to him to receive life. GBU.
Hello Henry and thank you for taking the time to comment on the site đ
Just as an FYI, among the contributors to this site, there are former members who have experienced first hand what it is like to be a involved with the WMSCOG. I will be writing to you from that perspective. With that said, it is interesting that you mention that you believe that ” Ahnsahnghong and Zang il Yah” are elohim ” Not because they claimed to be…”. Do you have any info on them claiming to be god or divine in any way? I have searched through ASHs books and cannot find anything to support that. I also cannot find anything in ASHs books to support that he thought that Zhang was the “bride” or “mother” either. If you could give me some direction on that I would appreciate it.
Also, you said “in these last days there will be speculations about the appearance and correct recognition of the spirit and the bride”. In Revelation 1:7, I note that John says “every eye will see him [Jesus]”. The notion that all people will see Jesus when he returns is supported by Matthew 24:27. Will you please point me to the verses that point to “speculations” about being able to recognize Jesus when He returns? I would be very interested in taking a look at them.
Henry, can you explain why you believe that Acts 5:38-39 applies to the WMSCOG? The WMSCOG was not even around when this was written, so there’s no way it can apply to you. Keep in mind also that this verse very specifically says “in the present case” which is referring specifically to that case. In many other places, the Bible tells us to rebuke those in error (Leviticus 19:17, 2 Timothy 4:2, Galatians 6:1, etc), and recall that the angel in the book of Revelation corrects people who have gone off astray after false teachers (Revelation 2:14-16). So here we have Scriptural evidence of correction of people holding to false beliefs, which is what this site is doing, in accordance with the Bible.
Besides, I think we both agree that people like Jim Jones and Sun Myung Moon were false prophets right? The government was not able to stop Jim Jones from ordering 900 of his followers to commit suicide and he obviously wasn’t of God. Sun Myung Moon went to prison for tax evasion and his cult called the Unification Church which is very much like the WMSCOG is still around. Does that mean that he is of God too because he’s still “successful”?
GBU too and looking forward to hearing from you soon.
hi I am the one who wrote this months back…since then ive had my son who is healthy and happy, and my relationship with my family has improved immensly. ive gone back to collage fulltime to become a nurse. I am happy and feel good about these particular areas of my life. still, however, my experience with wmscog has left me with very deep emotional scars and a negative attitude about religion and…. even christianity in general…..i haven’t said one prayer since after I spent those 3 days googling everything I possibly could-good and bad- about wmscog…i used to pray to God often before I met them. and when cog came into my life I was praying, but I’m so confused as to whom I was praying to in the first place. to this day I’m so embarrassed that I could ever fall for this kind of thing…i can’t confide in my mother, sisters, best friends…no one! I am too ashamed. this experience (so far) has proven to be the most unhealthy experience I’ve ever had so far in my life. i am not fluent or even comfortable with the bible. besides a few quotes and stories that even an atheist could spew. and at this point I dont even know if I want to try….this sounds terrible I know….but I am on the brink of madness of the mind. I’ve been suffering quietly and I can’t relate to ANYONE I know or meet. they all seem to be comfortable in their beliefs and I would never put anyone down for that but I am SO screwed up right now its not even funny. thank you guys for your kind words I really appreciate it. if you know any books, people, or places I can visit while I have the summer off, i would really be grateful for that as well…besides the bible or a church or anything that will sway my thoughts in a particular direction. for the first time in my life I’ve been thinking for myself, and not being the kind of person who will fall into anything. if I do choose to believe in something I’d like it to be my idea..
Hello truthwillsetmefree! So glad you stopped by to comment. Speaking to you from the perspective of a former member, I understand what you are going through emotionally and spiritually. I think that the first step in your recovery is to understand what happened to you. You need to realize that this was not your fault and that it was your great qualities as a person that made you a target for recruitment. From the research that I have done, in the process of my own recovery from my experience with the WMSCOG, I understand that these groups seek out the young, presentable, smart and energetic to further their own agendas. They met you at a very vulnerable point in your life, having been shunned from your family and newly pregnant. The WMSCOG may have appeared as a great support system at first, so it made sense that you went along with their demands in the beginning. Now on to your recovery. You are halfway there because you decided to leave the group! I think many WMSCOG members may not have the courage to do what you did. I remember it being a stressful time for me when I had to make the decision to leave the WMSCOG, but the contradictions were too great for me to ignore. I think that a lot of the newer members are really well intentioned people looking for a greater purpose in life that just don’t see what they have gotten themselves into yet. Hopefully they will open their eyes to what’s really going on there soon! Don’t give up on your faith in God! God will not let go of you either :). I wanted to recommend this book that I hope you will find helpful. Here is the amazon link:
Recovery From Cults: Help for Victims of Psychological and Spiritual Abuse.
thank you so much for your words. and thank you again for your book recommendation. i’ve placed my order for this book as well as the one mountain mom provided for me and i will let you know what i think of the read
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We would love to have your participation in the forum. It would be a wonderful opportunity for you to clarify various misconceptions we may all have about your church.
Why waste your time bringing back something that never existed when you can play video games that have religious leaders as the villains, like final fantasy?
Hi Truthwillsetmefree, I applaud your courage at leaving this destructive cult. You are a survivor. It is true that smart, energetic, good people can fall prey to this kind of organization, so do not feel like something is wrong with you because you were pulled into it. Because my son was involved in the COG, and I was completely devastated by this, I attended the International cultic studies association conference in New Jersey last year. It helped me understand and cope so much better than I was. It really saved me. If you can get a chance to go to something like that or read Steve Hassan’s book, “Releasing the Bonds” you will understand better why this happened. They really like to target the best and brightest, and they have such a polished approach
thank you so much Mountain Mom, i just ordered releasing the bonds on amazon, looking forward to reading it too. i hope this helps; ive got nothin else to lose. correct me if im wrong, but i think ive read your posts before…have you posted on that really long thread with like 5 or so years of debate on the wmscog? i dont know if it was you or someone with a similar name and testimony….
Hi,
Yes, I am the one from the Jaimie is Blogging site. My son has been in the COG for three years now. I didn’t know he was in it the first year because he was so far away, and I thought he was going to a mainstream church. He didn’t tell me anything about how different it was. I don’t know if I will ever get him out, and when I visited a few weeks ago, he was obviously so upset and depressed with his life. Tried to get him to open up and talk, as I felt it was a vulnerable time where he might be open to revealing doubts, but that went badly. He is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He actually told his wife that (not me). I think what has happened is that he is so unhappy that he cannot even preach for them right now because he would not be showing the fake “happy face” that is so necessary. Anyway, he has been home much more often the past five weeks my daughter in law said, and I am pretty sure that is why. He also hurt his back (probably working at the church since he won’t tell us how) and he can’t do very much labor now. Well, I better not go on and on. Good luck with everything, and I know that book by Hassan will help.
Mountain Mom, im sorry about your son. but you know, he sounds a lot like myself a year ago when I started seeking the truth on my own, and saw the contradictions. I became very depressed and I widthdrew from friends and family and wouldnt mention anything about church or religion anymore. unless it was a mere attempt to ward anyone off who was trying to mock my beliefs I would just recite familiar quotes and verses that were so brilliantly etched in my mind. like I said, I still wont talk about my experience to friends or family. but I was fortunate to bounce back with the birth of my son. well I pretend im alright, anyway. the fresh start of being a new mom took the spot light away from the cog. your son could possibly be in transition and is too upset to talk about it just yet. thats the positive side to his condition, sadly. more than anything, I really hope during his time at home he finds healing and truth in family and love.
ps. im still waiting for that book to be delivered!
Hang in there. You ARE alright. Your courage and your beautiful little boy will carry you through this. I hope that the people in this forum will also provide some support that you need. We care.
I hope that at some time you will talk to your family and friends about your experience. But for the grace of God, it could happen to any of us. My son was a popular, bright, athletic, motivated person, and a very critical thinker. No one could convince him to do anything unless he decided on it. Now he has handed over every major decision in his life to this group. They must be the very pinnacle of a polished deceptive approach.
if bible testifies her as God The Mother will u belive her? at the first coming of jesus they call him as man son of joseph . at last they killed him. cannot he came in flesh? first of all know the truth then only u can belive her as God
Hello abhisek and thank you for taking the time to read the site and comment.
You read this article, probably reviewed the link to the We Love U Foundation site, and this is the response you came up with? Why do you believe that Zhang Gil Jah is “god”? The Bible does not “testify” that she is “god”. Neither does Ahnsahnghong. If Ahnsahnghong, in his own writings, interpreted the bride in the Bible to be representative of the church, why do you believe otherwise?
abhishek my brother i know you very well you read steve hassan mind controlling technique BITE model you know every thing. your mind is store full of WMSCOG. read and know the history of WMSCOG. you will better understand.
@abhishek ..theres no bible which you can find the name zahng gil ja. if ever there is then thats a new bible of WMSCOG. look abhishek, your brain is damaged, better look for a Psychiatrist
Dear ex-member,
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It’s comforting and encouraging to know that there is hope for all. It’s great that you realized their teachings were all wrong.
Thank you so much for your story. It took me a while to find information about this church. I mainly found websites that only refuted the claim that Ahnsanghong and the WMSCOG was a cult, especially on ask.yahoo.com and “prove ahnsanghong”websites, which weren’t enough to convince me that prophecies I was learning were misconstrued. Thus, I continued to stay in the church. Now, just as Paul was sharing the gospel and the listeners were commended for their efforts to check the scriptures, I knew I needed to check the scriptures myself as I was learning. It really makes it hard when the preachers from this church refer to several verses which are considered to be “mates” to one another. By the time you read every verse in context, you may have read 1/4 of the bible! I was in college with a busy schedule, so checking the scriptures proved to be lengthy process. Also, I was in the church for nearly 8 months, so it took a while to get through all of the lessons. When I found this site a few weeks ago, I referenced the contradictions myself, only to find out that the lessons I learned were indeed lies and misrepresentations of the bible. I was ultimately left with a spiritual scar and a lingering cloud of guilt. Reading experiences like yours has surely been a catalyst for the healing process. It is sad that we have to spend a considerable amount of time to “learn” these things in the bible, only to befriend those in the church and devote our savings towards tithing.I just mustered enough courage and evidence to tell the sisters I would not like to return to their church. Of course they said the same: you cannot learn on your own. Now, from your experience and others, I now know the meaning of being “armed with the word of God”:1st John 2:17, and whoever seeks Him will find Him. Despite a relentless argument, I have made my point to them. Thank you and God bless!!!
Hi MayMay,
Thank you so much for your comment here. It is true what you say, that the WMSCOG jumps around all over the Bible when trying to make a point. When you take a step back and think about it, you can make the Bible say anything you want using that method!
Thank God, you were able to see for yourself the Scripture-twisting that occurs. Many do not take the time to look at the verses in their proper context, and spend years devoting time and money to this group before they realize what has happened.
I would recommend that you (and any) former member join the Former Members World Mission Society Church of God Facebook Group Many have found healing and support through the ever-growing network of former members.
Thank you so much for this awesome site! My daughter is deeply caught up in this in New York right now, and our family is in crisis. Any suggestions you have as to how we can approach this would be welcome. Even though I’m a committed and serious Christian with a very good knowledge of the bible and Christianity, I am not well prepared to deal with this.
Hello Jeff and thanks for commenting!
I hope that you find information that is helpful to you on the site. I am so sorry to hear about your daughter. Please check out why your family member may change. If your daughter has been involved for quite some time and you have discussed your concerns, you need to understand why it is seemingly impossible for your daughter to let go of the group. We will talk via email soon :).
We are in San Antonio at our freshly dealing with this ourselves at the University of Texas at Dallas these people need to be stopped
Shouldn’t be that easy to step onto a campus and lead people astray
The number of WMSCOG members that continue to come to my door to tell me that I am not a “true” Christian has begun to “ruffle my feathers” (which is a much nicer way of saying something else :smile:). I grew up in a Baptist family and went through a number of years of discipleship training and intensive bible study in order to become closer to God. Now, I haven’t prayed or attended church in twelve years, I did agree to meet with these members, as I was in a place in life in which I needed to mature spiritually and I thought that this was what the WMSCOG was going to provide me. After I arrived, I was ushered into a room in which two members placed a book of “evidence” in front of me, in which they are telling me that attending church on Sunday was actually praising the pagan sun god and that everything that I was taught years ago was wrong. Now, being someone who likes to get to the heart of such matters (i.e. through studying, discussion, and research) I asked if I could take this booklet home in order to perform my own research in order to determine the validity of their statements. I was told that because I was not a member that I would not be allowed to take this “evidence” book home and that the end of the world is coming.
My biggest question that I had for them was how this Korean man could possibly be the second coming of Christ, especially since the Bible (as I recall) states that the day Christ returns a number of different situations will occur: Firstly, the day that Christ returns, the a trumpet will sound and all eyes will look up to seek Christ returning. Secondly, the Bible specifically states that the dead will be resurrected and brought before God to be judged, and thirdly, all Christians will be “taken” by Jesus (also known as the day of rapture). So, after hours of arguing and and spouting Bible scriptures to me, I finally left. I did not leave any contact information and I did not give them my address. What I have come to realize (even after doing some research) was that there was something seriously wrong with this church. I hope that you have begun to seek solstice in the Bible and found a church that provides you the spiritual foundation that you need. I am still looking for my own and have realized that I am not only in this endeavor. Thank you all for the opportunity to voice my concerns regarding WMSCOG.
Hi Arthur,
Thank you for your comment. You are exactly right concerning the signs at Jesus’ Second Coming. This is exactly what we have pointed out in our Bible study Was Ahn Sahng-Hong Jesus Christ?. In addition, there are numerous other contradictions in their teachings.
There is definitely something seriously wrong with a religious organization when they will not let “outsiders” review their teaching materials. I’m glad that you got out and weren’t tricked by their Scripture-twisting. Many people are taken in by their revisionist history and Scripture-twisting and spend years giving this fringe organization their money and time before they realize the mistake they’ve made.
Thank God you weren’t sucked in. Many are not so fortunate.
I am currently researching them……When I came across them at my school I studied with them. They started talking about the “father and mother”…this was very new to me. There are many things they say that dont make sense or add up right. After two studies they were like “you must be baptized”. I went and was like okay because I didnt like or feel the way I was baptized as a kid was the proper way. Then it got even worse. I heard them say the name Ahnsahnghong. I was very confused about this and my doubt grew deeper about them. I figured it was the Korean translation for Jesus but it isn’t. I asked about the name Ahnsahnghong later. I asked them and they said who it was but the more they try to explain, he is not who they said he was and thus lied to me. Fortunately for me, I studied on my own in order to prove to myself that Ahnsahnghong is not “god” and never accepted their explanation again. They will read Bible to you and explain something totally different. The connection between their studies and Scripture is off. A lot of the things they say are true regarding the Bible, but that is where the deception comes in too. The devil knows the Bible very well and will quote it, so watch for this. The devil uses the Bible as a weapon to deceive the person and take him down too…know your Word people.
I have heard several similar stories about the Pastors of COG churches telling members to marry Korean women. In a COG church in Naperville, I heard that this happened, and that the Pastor was the one who recommended this. I also heard about one where the “Mother” supposedly told a fellow to marry one of the Korean women. My husband attended the Naperville Church with my son one Saturday (to see what was going on because we were concerned). He met a guy who apparently had just gotten married to a Korean lady there because, as we heard it, the Pastor said he needed to so he could grow spiritually. My husband said this guy didn’t look happy with his wife at all. She could hardly speak English, and when they literally bumped into each other in the hallway, they looked at each other, but didn’t even speak.
I do believe this is a ploy to get them citizenship, and to have marriages so that it is even more difficult to leave the church.
The Pastor at the Ridgewood,N.J. Church of God, Daniel (aka Dong Il) Lee, is President of Bigshine Worldwide, Incorporated. There is no transparency in the church concerning finances. It makes a person very suspicious of where all the money they get is going. Pastor Jacob (aka Jae Hoon) Lee, of the Naperville, Ill, Church is the secretary of Bigshine Corporation. Interesting.
I was approached by these folks at my APARTMENT today (which was a little upsetting, seeing as how it’s a gated community and I have no idea how they got in). You are right, the entire time they proselytized they did not mention what church they belonged to, but repeatedly referred to “God the Mother.” I had to Google some of the stuff they said after they left to know who they were and know exactly why I don’t want to meet with them next week for the “appointment” they cornered me into. Thanks for this site, very educational.
Hello Anon,
I am so happy to hear that you were able to find our site before you met with the WMSCOG recruiters for your “appointment”. Unfortunately, there are some people that have not been as lucky. Read more on our Former Member Testimony page. Thank you for reading our site and commenting.
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Hi there Eli,
I see you left an unhelpful comment. I would like to ask you why you are of this opinion? Have you read through any of the articles in the evidence section? Can you refute any of them? I look forward to your reply.
Thank you very much for all of this information. My daughter and her best friends have joined this church and I have been looking for information to let them know this place is not right.
thanks everyone for you concerns ill definitely be looking into those readings you’ve suggested and Eli, id love to hear more from you. you cant just leave us with that. please elaborate. i wont bash you or be rude, like a few of the sisters had been more then unpleasant to me… there is just too much evidence that proves your beliefs wrong just as you guys seem to have all the right answers countering “normal” “christian” teachings. im just at a point where i feel like i dont want to believe in anything so from here on its fair game. whoever has the obvious winning argument has my soul to save……
Thank you so much for this website. It is very enlightening. I got involved with this group and did some studies with them. Many of the topics I studied seemed very amazing and everything appeared to be genuine combined with their seemingly thorough knowledge of the bible. What I found strange was the second coming of Jesus as my limited knowledge of the bible said all eyes will see Him when he comes again.I also discovered that my knowledge of the bible was very minimal so I decided to read the bible on my own chapter by chapter to confirm everything I had studied. But between work and parenting young children and housekeeping the bible reading pace was very slow and in between I got bombarded with more studies. This site has really done a lot of the research and I wish I had found this much earlier. Well done and I hope many others will find this useful.
I noticed that this organization has many contradictions of the bible. I recently broke up with my boyfriend, who I love dearly because of this church. He had only been attending for 3 weeks and is already so heavily involved in the bible studies and worship service. The doctrine that he is being taught, does not line up to my Christian beliefs. We had plans to attend an event on a Saturday next month and he cancelled on me because he said he would be in church all day. So, I asked him does that mean he will never make himself available to me on Saturdays and he told me he’s sorry, but he is not able to make plans on Saturdays. That really hurt my feelings. It’s like he’s being brain washed. Just because a member shows him scriptures in the bible and explain it in his interpretation of what it means, he believes it. I know many of you are former members of the church. What can I do to help him to understand the real truth? I do want him back, but not as long as we have different spiritual beliefs.
Hi Diane,
Thank you for your comment. I am very sorry to hear of the situation between you and your boyfriend. I am also very sorry to hear about him getting so heavily involved in the WMSCOG. I imagine you have probably already seen him progressing along the 20 steps of indoctrination. The best thing I can offer you besides the articles in our Evidence section is to join the Former Members World Mission Society Church of God Facebook group where you can speak with other people in similar situations. They will be able to best help you navigate the back-and-forths you will experience as you move forward in trying to get your boyfriend to follow Jesus Christ.
Today I sent my guy encouraging scriptures because he is going through a difficult time financially. He told me to stop sending him things on religion. I was a bit shocked by his comment since we are both Christians. Now, since he attended bible study with me at my church this past week, he is telling me I frown upon his religion and will not attend a bible study with him. It’s interesting how he calls it his religion if we both supposedly study Christianity. Even though I broke it off with him recently, we got back together. Religious differences is seriously a deal breaker for me, regardless of how much I care for him. Should I attend one of these bible studies since he came to mine? I honestly don’t want to go and I don’t know how much longer we’ll be together. He even challenged me about not following the Sabbath and the fact that I attend church on Sundays. I feel sick in my stomach just thinking about sitting through hours of the teaching at his church.
This is exactly the type of thing they have done to divide my son and his wife. She is a non-believer, so they kept him at church all they could, week after week till midnight or even later. It makes me feel like they think there were doubts in his mind, and they use this tactic all the time to stymie those doubts and the voice of reason. I think this would qualilfy as “alienation of affection” which is against the law in Illinois. I wonder if they know that.
Diane, I am so sorry this church has control over your boyfriend. Educate yourself all you can on this group, keep contact with him, and hopefully, you will be able to get him to look at some information eventually. People do get discouraged, people do open their eyes to their manipulation. There is hope. My son has been in three years, but he did make what I consider a huge admission to my husband yesterday. He actually confirmed that some people in the church are not happy. He would never admit that before, and I know that they always have to put on the fake “happy face” no matter what while they are there. My son definitely isn’t happy. Hang in there with your boyfriend. There are success stories.
Thanks for the feedback. I will continue to try to shed some light in his life and be a positive example of how to live a Christ led life. Maybe then he will see my happiness & prosperity and come to church with me more. It’s hopeful thinking. I just don’t want to leave him in darkness.
You ask others to provide “historical evidence” for their claims, yet you base this rather large accusation on a blog from a website that has three or four paragraphs? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical?
Hi Nick,
No, actually this was based on personal experience. Thanks for your comment. I have updated the article to include this, and also to link to a copy of the pamphlet that the WMSCOG distributed concerning this topic.
At any rate, I take it you have not been in the WMSCOG long? When I was there, there was an entire sermon dedicated to this topic.
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Actually I asked my Pastor about this after searching for hours on the computer for any evidence of this and he seriously looked confused when i told him that people were accusing Christ Ahnsahnghong of predicting the end in 1967(?) and in 1988 also. That pamphlet is the only thing close to being credible except for the fact that there’s no date or even a mention of the WMSCOG, although it does spell Christ Ahnsahnghong’s name wrong…it seems like someone tried to interpret the Bible themselves and taking matters into their own hands made pamphlets to try and warn others.
Thanks for commenting on the site. Â We really appreciate the opportunity to dialogue with WMSCOG members.
Here is the translation for the bottom of the flyer so you have the date:
Feast of Tabernacles Evangelism Event
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Date:Â 9/25/1988 – 10/2/1988
Place: ChoongNam YunKiGoon JunEuiJin
Phone: (0415) 63-3624
Time: 5:30am, 10:30am, 3:30pm, 8pm
I guess that you don’t know that the WMSCOG did not always go by that name. Â They used to be called Church of God, Association of Ahnsahnghong’s Witnesses. Â The name was changed some time after his death. Â Did you know that there is another “Church of God” that follows Ahnsahnghong’s teachings? Â It is called the “New Covenant Passover Church of God”. Â I have spoken to an elder there that informed me that they believe in Ahnsahnghong’s teachings and pray in the name of Jesus (feel free to call them at the number listed on their page). Â According to the elder at the NCPCOG, Ahnsahnghong prayed to Jesus and baptized in the name of Jesus as well. Â The NCPCOG does not believe that Ahnsahnghong was the second coming of Jesus but instead call him teacher or prophet. Â You can see all of Ahnsahnghong’s books (in Korean) and listen to some of his sermons on their website http://www.ncpcog.com. Â Here is the link to the book that Ahnsahnghong wrote regarding his 1988 (see p. 10, 17, 24, 26) and 2012 (see p. 16) predictions. After you click the link, you will have to give it a second to load. http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html Hope this helps.
yes so much for their teachings about the name church of God being fulfilled for 40 years another lie about there history.
The koreans know all about the NCPCOG and if you ask them about it they will not have much to say in regards to ther combined history. After 14 years I never knew the NCPCOG existed. I asked if ASH had any childern and they said no another lie. they pretend to know northing they are full of lies and deception and I could tell you 50 lies I have heard over the years.Do you think God lies? fyi koreans spell their names backwards and forwards thats why the name seems to be differant.
Also what was included in that sermon you heard about 1988 had to be predicted to fulfill the prophecy of Jonah?
I’m surprised that your pastor is confused about Ahnsahnghong’s 1988 prediction since it is recorded in his own book here http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html. Maybe you should forward the link to your pastor. I remember that the pastor at the location I attended claimed that since Jonah warned the people of Nineveh that destruction would come to them in 40 days, Ahnsahnghong predicted the end would come 40 years after he was baptized in 1948. But interestingly, the earliest publication date of the book where Ahnsahnghong makes his prediction is 1980. That means that he officially warned the people of S. Korea only 8 years before. Therefore, Ahnsahnghong did not fulfill the WMSCOG’s self-manufactured “Jonah’s prophecy”. Since the WMSCOG did not expand to the United States until 1998-99, Ahnsahnghong did not bother to warn the rest of the world either. Needless to say, the world did not end in 1988, even though Ahnsahnghong predicted it.
Thanks for the translation but I’m not finding anything on the internet to back up your claims, maybe if i could read korean that would help haha…by the way have you ever been taught prophecies like the 7 feasts or 2300 days?
You’re not finding anything on the internet to back up my claims? I just sent you a link to Ahnsahnghong’s own writings. lol. You can ask someone who speaks Korean to translate it for you, or you can wait for the English translation, which the NCPCOG informs me they are working on. No, I have not been taught the prophecies of the 7 feasts or 2300 days that you speak of, but there are plenty of other ones already debunked in our Evidence section.
Hey Nick,
Just wanted you to know that there is now irrefutable proof of the WMSCOG’s failed predictions. You should check out the latest article:
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/the-wmscogs-failed-doomsday-predictions-1988-1999-2012-what-will-they-predict-next/
The fact that you don’t know such INCREDIBLE prophecies pretty much proves that you never spent much time towards giving the Church a chance. I highly encourage you to go back and ask to be taught more before you make a website dedicated to ripping on something you don’t know that much about…and there are no contradictions in the Bible. Sure to someone who lacks an understanding of how the Bible works would say there are contradictions but there is none…please for the sake of your salvation give Father Ahnsahnghong, the Holy Spirit another chance!
Actually Nick, I spent over a year at the WMSCOG studying. I just never got to do the two 6-hour or so long studies that you are referring to. Â The contradictions that I was referring to were NOT in the Bible. Â I was referring specifically to the contradictions in the WMSCOG Bible studies. Â For example, the belief that humans were angels before. Â If you take the time to read the series on the Angels, you may see what I mean. Â There are over 20 contradictions in our Evidence section. Â I also could not ignore the fact that Ahnsahnghong misquotes the Bible. Â Does God make mistakes?
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If you havenât done the longer studies like 6 day creation, the feasts, 7 churches, or anitchrist, then you obviously havenât been in the church for too long. All of these explain many historical events that have happened since the time of Jesus, yet they were written hundreds of years before they occurred. They prove completely why there are so many churches out there, doing disgusting things in the eyes of God. For example, worshipping the sun god unknowingly, erecting idols, and celebrating pagan festivals. By the way these were all things recorded in the old testament that happened to the Israelites which are happening again. Also, Christ AhnSahngHong never said a date when the world will end in ANY of his writings. He just urges us to keep Passover before it happens.
Adam, please elaborate on the statements you make. It would be helpful if you included some historical or Biblical references so that our communication is clear. I would like to be considerate to our readers and make it a little easier for them to follow the dialogue.
That being said, did you read the article above where I provided a link to Ahnsahnghong’s book where he does predict the end of the world in 1988 and 2012? Here is the link again: http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html. See pages 10, 17, 24 & 26. The site is a bit slow, so give it time to load.
In the article there is also a link to a pamphlet that was circulated by the WMSCOG when they were known as the Church of God, Association of Ahnsahnghong’s Witnesse, that warns the people of S. Korea about the end of the world in 1988. Ahnsahnghong’s own writings about his apocalyptic predictions are out there and the WMSCOG still denies that the predictions were ever made. What will it take for you to stop ignoring the inconsistencies and hypocrisy between what Ahnsahnghong actually wrote and what the WMSCOG teaches?
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Heb 9:12 speaks about the first time God entered the most holy place (to pour out the Holy Spirit on the apostles) He has to do it again according to the prophecy of the feasts. Moses receiving the ten commandments represents Christ being preached to the gentiles. Moses breaking the tablets because of idolatry represents the Church being plunged into the dark ages due to them not following God. The second time Moses received the tablets, shows that the truth must be restored (starting in 1844).
The first and greatest commandment is not having any other gods before God. This is loving God through Passover as all gods are judged. There are many instances in history, recorded in the Old testament, where leaders would break down idols in God’s temple after celebrating Passover. God describes them as loving God with all their heart, soul, and strength as they pleased Him by destroying the detestable thing that stood in between God and his people.
Also, falling into Satan’s temptation is sin, that is why we are here. Both Jesus and AhnSahngHong explain that there are intentional sinners, and unintentional.
Jesus began teaching in the temple courts halfway through the feast. Jesus always preached in his free time…
Lastly, Rom6:23 explains that sin leads to death. Everyone on earth dies. Everyone is a sinner. Righteous people aren’t on earth. They are in heaven.
STOP taking ting out of context and leading people astray. Obviously, you haven’t studies much and decided to rip on facts that you were confused about without actually seeing what scriptures said. I didn’t include scripture to support my claims because I don’t want to argue with you. If you want me to take the time, I can write them all down so everyone can see how you are desperately trying disprove something in fear that is absolute.
In response to Hebrews 9:12, it states that Jesus entered the “Most Holy Place once for all”. You state that, “He has to do it again according to the prophecy of the feasts”. Â Please provide Biblical support for this.
Please provide Biblical support for the following statements as well: Â “Moses receiving the ten commandments represents Christ being preached to the gentiles. Moses breaking the tablets because of idolatry represents the Church being plunged into the dark ages due to them not following God. The second time Moses received the tablets, shows that the truth must be restored (starting in 1844)”.
Please provide Biblical support for your second paragraph regarding the Passover being the first commandment.
As far as people sinning intentionally and unintentionally, the point being made here is that Ahnsahnghong states that those that sinned unintentionally were “unjustly accused…and hurled to the earth”. Â Ahnsahnghong is saying that there were sinners in heaven that were falsely accused, but punished anyway. Â This contradicts the Bible, because God is just (Deuteronomy 32:4) and all-knowing.
You stated that “Jesus began teaching in the temple courts halfway through the feast”, but Ahnsahnghong states in The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life on p. 465 that “Jesus Christ went up to the temple and preached every day during the Feast of Tabernacles,⊠-p. 465″.  So you two are not in agreement.  John 7:10 even tells us that “…after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret“.  Therefore, if Jesus was traveling to the feast “in secret“, then he was not preaching on His way there.  It can not be both.  You might also be interested in this former member’s testimony to see what a WMSCOG pastor’s response was to the same question.  I would appreciate your input on this.
Romans 6:23 is not addressed in this article. Â Did you mean to post about this under a different article?
Adam, I would appreciate it if you were not disrespectful in your comments.  How do you support your accusation that I am “leading people astray”?  How do we and our readers know that it isn’t you that is doing just that?  In the Biblical Misinterpretations section, we have pointed out numerous verses that the WMSCOG takes out of context and you have yet to refute one.  Lastly, I am not desperately “trying to disprove” anything out of fear.  I know that it must be difficult for you to imagine that there is even a shred of inconsistency in what you have been taught by the WMSCOG.  I also had the same difficulty when I first started having doubts.  We all have choices to make.  Are you in complete control of your own choices and decisions?  If you take a step back and really look at the material with an open mind, I am confident that you will do the right thing.  The truth can always stand up to questioning, and if it can’t, then it simply isn’t the truth.
Adam, I totally agree with you. This article shows the writer’s ignorance about Bible and the truth. He interpreted what the scriptures say by his own way, which cannot be acceptable.
I would recommend anyone who doubt about Christ Ahnsanghong and WMSCOG to visit here; http://wmscog.org.
It will show you correct answers to your questions.
Isaac thank you for commenting.
Your response though, just shows another example of how members of your organization cannot refute any of the blatant contradictions between your founder and the Bible. Instead you make empty statements like “He interpreted what the scriptures say by his own way”. That means nothing. Other members have done the same as we have pointed out here. Show some actual Biblical proof to back up what you think is an error. And by the way, we have visited your site and it’s let’s just say, less than impressive. Your organization has over a dozen sites with the same exact repetitious ramble all over the internet. Just because you say the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true. But then again, that’s how you learn your scripted Bible studies…countless hours of repetition, repetition, repetition.
round and round we go…
ladies and gentlemen, please observe the circular reasoning of WMSCOG members:
WMSCOG: “you can not use your own mind to interpret the Bible”
You: You’re using your own mind to interpret it.
WMSCOG: “No i’m not, I’m using God’s”
You: How do you know that person who told you they were God is really God?
WMSCOG: “Because they fulfilled the Scriptures, so they have to be God”.
You: How do you know they fulfilled the Scriptures?
WMSCOG: “Because it says right here in the Bible…”
You: You just used your own mind to interpret the Scriptures!
It’s self-defeating. I don’t know why you can’t see that at some point you used your own mind.. either to interpret the verses, or to assent to them being your god.. and if your own mind can be wrong, it could have been wrong when you gave them your allegiance.
In my own opinion… I think Ansanghong misinterpreted the Bible because he is Korean and MIGHT not be that good in ENGLISH. What is not funny about this is that his followers have actually deceived people who are well-versed in English.
My goodness AMEN!!!!
@Isaac .. if you cannot cure your ignorance and will remain with your group till your last breathe, you’ll be sorry in the life hereafter. This site gives you all proofs about your group and about your korean human gods. Should you prefer to be blind and not open your mind, intelligence and wisdom, you will be with your gods in hellfire, alive forever burning. Know what is there in the second life. There’s no more death, for human beings die only once. In the 2nd life, if you’re destiny is hell then you’ll be there alive eternally. WMSCOG site is a site for ignorant people who don’t use their common sense.
Dear Adam, God bless you Brother! Let’s go to Heaven!!!!! Satan leads the whole world astray, children of God must remain firm, God bless you, God is pleased with your confidence in the truth! Amen
Cole, you may be wasting your time with that comment to Adam. A lot of people who were in the church in 2011 are already out, leading happy, productive lives outside the prison of false belief they were once in.
What if you are being fooled, Cole? Wouldn’t you owe it to yourself to find out if you were being led in the opposite direction of Salvation? What if you are one of the “unintentional sinners” Adam spoke about in his post from 2011? You may be worshipping a false God and a false prophet.
God doesn’t lie, Cole. Please do some research. Scientologists were also told not to look at anything negative about their church. That’s why it took some so long to figure out they were lied to for years.
Come out. Satan does fool the whole world, and WMSCOG is not of God. I could write a book on my experiences.
Cole, I wanted to reply to your other post but I guess this will have to do. Obviously you haven’t studied outside of the WMSCOG too much. Even your divulgence of once being a Catholic shows it. You covered your body with the words of God and yet you don’t realize what it says and you have to let this group spoon feed it too you? That’s a failure that will cost you your soul! There are over three hundred scriptures that talk about how there is only ONE TRUE GOD! There are over two hundred scriptures teaching us that we are saved by faith not by works. That’s over five hundred scriptures that you have to omit from Gods Word in order to make the WMSCOG’s doctrine correct. Again, that’s a failure that will cost you your soul! Five hundred scriptures verses what you think you have that proves your current view right. Time to open you eyes Cole! You have been deceived by the father of lies himself. If you have a problem with this then you need to take it up with HIM. It’s not my fault what is written in the Bible and if you take this to your group they are just going to fill you with more anti-christ propoganda that will confuse and disorient you. You know what I’m talking about! It happened too you the first time you studied with them! Take your Bible and run away from these people as fast and as far as you can. Only then are you going to be able to start clearing your mind and reading what it says in the Bible as God will reveal it too you.
Well, it looks like Cole was just another parrot hitting the message board here. They come in, act all knowing by requiting what they’ve been spoon fed, I’m sure feeling puffed up about being so bold in their own mind, and then probably never backing up what they say. I wish they would stop disappointing us like this. Cole you have joined a very common group within your control group. You are trapped and I hope that one day you will be free. Come share with us whenever you like. Everyone is welcome here. (This doesn’t mean that we will agree with you.)
T.H. Many of these members are suppressing their own doubts. They most likely see alot of lies and misinformation inWMS. I used to do the same thing, comment on an ExMembers page,blog or YT account..
.but deep down I doubted the WMS because there were always discrepancies in the doctrine, and always a convienent answer to some of their actions.
Isa 43:11 says there is no other Savior… [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread]
Again you are using parts [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread]
lol
First of al, rev1:7, [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread]
Actually, eze 27 [debate moved by admin to forum at this thread].
Elohim is pluralis excellente. This form is even used for kings in ancient times. [This debate moved to the forum at this thread].
[rude portion deleted by admin] Do you have copies of that pamphlet and those books in your possession and they’ve been tested to make sure they are legitimate? If not than you are doing the same thing you are accusing the WMSCOG of doing..
Did you get a translator and go on the NCPCOG website so you can see and hear ASH is teaching something different than what the WMS claims? I know the WMS claims that are not ASH voice but it his voice I have heard it for 14 years. The tape recordings may be old but that is him. Or are you to lazy to have a nonmember translate it for you. the study’s conclusions are different.
First of all about your comment on how Jesus wasnt baptized into another religion… [this debate moved by admin to the forum at this thread]
You said it was Cyrus. was the persian empire at then ends of the earth? Was it at the furthest corners? Nope. Also, Cyrus is never compared to a bird of prey, but God is like you mentioned. God even describes Himself as an eagle Eze17
Cyrus is compared to a bird of prey. He and his army were extremely swift. (See Hosea 8:1 for another general and army being compared to a bird.) Cyrus himself said he wanted to be known as a “winged” or “flying man.” The standard of Cyrus was an eagle. You can see him in ancient art depicted with wings. He is also said to have had an aquiline nose–that’s a nose that resembles the curved beak of an eagle.
Yes, in the ancient world, Cyrus was compared to a bird of prey.
About the ends of the earth, the farthest corners, notice Is. 41:8-9 says,
âBut you, Israel, my servant,
Jacob, whom I have chosen,
you descendants of Abraham my friend,
I took you from the ends of the earth,
from its farthest corners I called you.
I said, âYou are my servantâ;
I have chosen you and have not rejected you.”
God is talking about the Israelites here–plural, not just one person. These two verses are not about the ‘bird of prey.’ The ‘but you’ tells you He’s changing who He’s talking about.
In your words: Cyrus was represented as eagle, [comment moved by admin to the forum for further discussion].
Actually, the link isn’t working. I’ve read all AhnSahngHong’s books and I never saw anything indicating a date of the end (The day comes like a theif 2peter3:10). He does mention scientist are warning about the end times. Also, i’ve never heard of ncpcog, but it isn’t wmscog. Notice the different names. I do know that there were people who didn’t believe in Mother so the church split.
Honestly, there is no need to elaborate on the studies as it isn’t related to the subject. They describe Gods administration work beginning with the knowledge of God and ending with the last Adam and last Eve. How the church was messed up throughout the centuries according to prophecies, why certain events like William Miller, and Jesus’s ministry occurred, and that the [offensive portion removed by admin] are the anitchrist. Somewhere on this site you stated that was a teaching of SDA, its true, they understood it, but no longer can prove it through scripture. (Prophecy of the feasts) If you want to really want to try to cut down the truth, please ask your friend to show you these prophecies.
Yes I have also heard that the WMS uses the example of copy and shadow to explain the split between the NCPCOG and WMS. If they are using this copy and shadow explanation between the Eastern Church and western church in the bible it was the w church that split off from Jerusalem who changed the truth of God for Sunday worship and followed the sun God, shadow right. In the same way it was the WMS who branched of the NCPCOG ASH first church therefore as the western church changed the truth one can assume in the copy it was the WMSCOG who changed the teachings of ASH first church who worships Jesus Crist and denies a mother God as the western church worships the sun God the WMS worship mother God. We can then assume there mother God represents the Sun God or false worship and as God said you shall have no other Gods before me. You have crucified Crist all over again
LOL you make that statement and yet I will asume you have never one time studied with the SDA have you. You just take them at their word?
Adam you have only seen their revised books they have been rewritten by the WMSCOG. There are many voice recording of ASH teaching all put down on tape. Does anyone think itâs strange that ASH did not leave one recording in regards to a mother God? Why would that be? It seems to be contradicting he left recording in regards to the Passover being keep in the last days but when the mother he supposedly revealed as the reality of Passover ASH did not leave a recording on the topic being fulfilled. How could he if he had taught that when WMSCOG started in 1988 and ASH died in 1985
Adam I have been in church for many years and the books has been replaced about five times and every time the church reprints those books the church makes every effort to collect the old ones. Itâs because the church did not want anyone going back and making a comparison and seen the change in doctrine as the church changes its position The older members still have some of the old books and there are many changes to speak of. That also includes the preaching guides and as the books have changed so has the teachings of the WMSCOG. I am telling you first hand I have been there since the church started in LA. There are many people that are making the same statements and we are all witnesses to the changes taking place. God does not change his ways or mined therefor the teachings of WMSCOG should remain the same unless someone is changing his word. General Pastor and several others rewrote ASH teachings to serve their own purpose.
Isn’t that part in roman 6 describing Christ dying to sin? I know He did die on the cross, as a sin offering. Meaning he cannot be crucified again. Besides it talks about the apostles being dead. If they are dead, how can they be preaching? This passage talks about being free from sin, by being alive in Christ, no? Please explain
Adam thank you for commenting. Your raise a good point but I’m afraid that you are missing an important part of the chapter. Christ died for our sins, not his because Christ is perfect. You are correct when you say that Jesus died on the cross, but the method by which he was put to death is not the focus of the message. Romans 6:9 “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.” It clearly states that Christ will not die again, not just that he will not be crucified again. Romans 6:10 tells us that Christ died in order to pay for our sins “once for all”. Romans 6:9 tells us that Christ “cannot die again”. This contradicts the WMSCOG’s belief that Ahnsahnghong was “god” because he indeed suffered a physical death in 1985 and did not resurrect.
Yes he talks about the apostles being dead to sin. Romans 6:4 “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” There is some obvious use of figurative language here. In summary, as you said the passage talks about being dead to sin and alive in Christ. Here baptism is symbolic of dying to sin (or buried through baptism) and resurrection is symbolic of us living a new life in Christ under God’s grace (Romans 6:11, 14).
Regarding the “article”, or blog, anyone can write anything on the internet. I could say I was married to Hillary Clinton, we had this and that child, but things went downhill and she cheated on me, would you believe me? If you could come up with legal documentation showing the marriage or divorce of these two, that would be wonderful. That could then be used as evidence. It is unfair to accuse on speculations. Matt 28:11-15 is a very good example.
correct. that is why it is clearly called out multiple times in the article that the account has not yet been verified.
IS there a way to verify the story of the ex-husband at all?
Has there not been any attempt by any investigative journalists to try and dig up the truth on this, do you know if anyone had done any reporting on this?
if any one can write any thing then what are you watching can’t you differenciate the true and false can’t you examine the fact. this is very serious every thing has to end one even we also. so be faithful to god read bible clearly not only what WMSCOG teach you. ask question to church about all the matter you hear from this web site i am sure church (WMSCOG) can’t answer you any thing, then what will you do will you stay there or leave it’s upon your decession.
Luke 14:25-27. Matt 10:34-39. Therefor Jesus is the first cult leader. Please comment
Steven Hassan in the above article has described the WMSCOG very accurately. Their influence and cleverly calculated messages are delivered to targeted emotionally susceptible people.
This influence should not be underestimated in its ability to control the recipients. I have first hand experience of this through my Vietnamese wife, who is both intelligent and very well educated. Thanks for reading. Dave from Birmingham, UK.
Hi I’ve been reading this site and another about this Church for a while now. To start off, I was never a member of this church. By the time I met members of this church,I had already been attending another church for two years and I’m very happy with it. But I want to give a testimony for this site, to help anybody that has been a victim of this church.
To start off, I’ve been going to school at a campus for the last few years and it was a few years ago that I decided to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I’ve been going to a church that I really love. With that said, I had been living a lukewarm Christian life since I asked Jesus to save me. I had made many attempts to strengthen my Christian life and was met with many failures, I would never read my bible or pray and and was more interested in the things of the world. The situation for me is now different and I’m making a serious effort in my relationship with Jesus. This was the year that I had a big wake up call that would make me want to know the word of God. It wasn’t a wake up call that I would consider to be a good experience but one that opened my eyes. Like I said before I had been going to school for a while now and one day after taking care of business and was on my way to my car to drive home I saw this guy and girl standing near the library and they stopped me. This is where my experience with the WMSCOG started. The encounter started with introductions and then the guy asked me if I knew about God the Mother. Naturally I said no and then after a few minutes of chatting we decided to do Bible study right at the library of the school. We sat there talking for 15-20 minutes and he spent that time explaining to me God the Mother and showing verses in the Bible that at a glance, seemed to support their beliefs. It’s worth noting that I was skeptical from the getgo and when I was being taught about God the Mother I wasn’t sure if I should buy into it or not because this guy seemed very smart and seemed to know the Bible very well. But as I said before, I was living a lukewarm Christian life and I thought maybe if I went did some Bible study with some new faces on the side it would help motivate me so I would start taking my faith seriously.
After a bit of time at the library their group had decided to go back to the church and they invited me up there to do some more Bible study so I drove over there with someone riding with me and leading the way. When I got there I was introduced to some of their members and they all seemed like nice and friendly people. I was then led into a room that pretty small and then another guy came in and was going to teach me about what his church believes. The Bible study lasted for about 2-3 hours. We talked about many different topics such as God the Mother, the Passover, parallels between Adam and Eve and the fall of Lucifer, our souls existing before we were born, everyone coming from the dust, the meaning of Elohim, and many other issues. Now when I walked out that particular day I thought to myself that even though I didn’t agree with what a lot of what they said I thought maybe there was some room to understand and I agreed to go back the next week. That night I had went over to my friend’s house, I go to church with these people and they have supported me throughout my spiritual journey. I had told them about my experience earlier in the day and initially they were happy that I had this opportunity but then they saw something wrong when I brought up God the Mother. I referred to those verses in Genesis( “let us make man in our image”) and Revelation (“the Spirit and the Bride”) but they weren’t too enthusiastic about these beliefs. My friend admitted to me later that he was nervous about me in relationship to this church and on all counts, he was right. I didn’t quite see it at that moment but the second time I did Bible study is where things took a turn. After the weekend, I went to school on Monday and afterwards I drove back over to the church.
This time when I did Bible study, I did it with the guy that I met at the beginning when I was at school. When I got there, before we did the Bible study they showed me an introductory video about their church which seemed very positive like but my experience during that bible study told a different story. This time we talked about issues like the Sabbath, how we’re saved, what happens to babies, God the Mother the passover, communion, repentance and other topics. I had asked about the end times and Anti-Christ but he wasn’t far enough into his studies to teach me about it and then if I came back another day someone else could teach me. This time I did Bible study, they really sent me on a guilt trip and I felt like I was being severely condemned for not doing the things they do. Throughout the Bible study, I became extremely frustrated and even wanted to curse him out. But God kept my strong throughout it all and I kept my composure. To make a note, I go to church on Sunday and with my limited knowledge I did know that in the old testament they worshipped on Saturday. But that 3-4 hours I was there this time was a lot of him trying to get me to submit to the way of his church and trying to scare me. His attitude was inappropriate, after a while of talking to the Sabbath he would make remarks like “And YOU go to church on SUNDAY?!” and that people who didn’t keep the Sabbath would be the ones that Jesus would say “Depart from me!” There was such a strong emphasis on the Passover as well. He kept saying this was the only way my sins would be forgiven. The Bible studies this church does seem very systematic and it doesn’t seem the members can speak for themselves but only what their leaders want them to teach. I thought maybe this was just me dealing with this but after reading many testimonies and watching videos of people who had experiences with this church, it wasn’t just me. One thing that I was very curious about was what happened to babies when they died? The answer I got was an answer that shocked me and ultimately made me walk away after that day. To hear him say that if babies don’t keep the Passover they’ll go to hell really pushed my buttons. I tried to argue with him on this matter but it was hopeless, I simply did not read enough of the bible up to this point to support what I said. He trapped me many times during the study, saying stuff like “Show me in the Bible where it says to take communion!!” “or show me where it says to repent!” My efforts were hopeless. Initially I agreed to do another bible study but I just didn’t feel right about it anymore. I left their church that day feeling lower than dirt and feeling like I failed as a Christian. I feel God used this event I saw a curse and turned it ultimately into a blessing. After talking to my friend and his father about this whole ordeal, they offered up their support and love and the father offered a parting word by advising me to read Galatians. I ended that day certain of a few things, that I didn’t need to be involved with the WMSCOG and that I can find the truth on my own through the faith and love of Jesus Christ and so the time came that I would really started reading the Bible and getting to know God’s word. I sent the guy I did Bible study a text and ended the relationship. Since that day, I have talked to a few more people from that church on campus and each time I rejected any further offers to do bible study. I’ve even tried to argue with them regarding what they teach and was met with hostility from its members and accusations that I just don’t want to know the truth. But God has better plans for me, I don’t want to argue with these people but I want to instead love them and forgive them.
I want to offer a word to the people who have encountered this church. No matter what happens, always trust in Jesus Christ. He is the truth, the way, and the life. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Since this whole experience I’ve learned of real peace that I could only receive through the love of Jesus. Following the conclusion of my experience, I started to take everything about my faith seriously and decided to start reading my bible all the time and praying to God every day. I put my trust in Jesus Christ and he has not let me down. I’m not perfect, but I know God is doing a work in me and I know he can do a work in you too. For anyone who has had an encounter with this church, I understand completely they have taken over peoples lives and hurt others but we shouldn’t hold that against them. God forgave us through his son Jesus Christ and we should extend that same love and forgiveness to others regardless of what church they’re part of or what they believe in. Remember that we cannot change the way they see things but God can. Nothing is impossible for him. I just encourage you to pray for these people so that they can know the real love of the man I call Lord and Savior: Jesus Christ.
I hope this testimony encourages anyone reading it, remember you always have a friend in Jesus. God Bless You.
inside that church is very luxurious. they’ve got beautiful exotic, rare flowers decorated all over, evem in the bathrooms. they’ve got large flat screen televisions all over (that show trips of members visiting “mother”, except the sanctuary of course, a garden, kitchen, creepy pitcures of “mother” hanging all over pastors office….etc. I brought a friend to study” before and he said the church was a little too fancy and freaky for his taste and that he never wanted to step foot evet again. looking back, i should have followed his lead. much time, money, for tolls, gas, and tithes a number of times a week had been wasted. current members dont think theu are suffering because they take turns making meals for the entire unit everyday. and spend practically everyday there. there homes are only usefull for sleep but if it was possible I know they would sleep in the study area and rooms of the church (men separated from women of course) if they could. the current members are told that the expansion is do to so many new members and the space is needed. I must confess they hold several services on the sabbath because of the cramped conditions, they market. I wonder why however, they would convince me to stay for all of them? and study in between all 3 services, and only break to eat the food they prepare. then study.some more before another service………i dont think they are concerned about their money bc they have beauty within and out of the building that surrounds them and the construction is further proof that the money they give is not in vain, for it expands the place they know as home. makes it comfy and lovely looking. however I believe the larger portion of all the sums of their monies are going to the leaders of their organization and the korean woman who poses for all the creepy gold framed pictures that are around the church. but even if they thought of that I dont think it would make a difference since mother” sacrificed so much and all….
This is exactly like what has happened to my son and his wife due to his involvement in the COG. They do everything they can to cause trouble in marriages where one is a member and one is not. In cases where the two are only engaged, they break them up and then suggest that the member immediately get involved with someone else in the church for their “spiritual growth.” I wonder if they do this with the Korean members in order to get them U.S. citizenship. Also, being married to a member makes it harder to leave the church. They have this all thought out, don’t they.
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This is horrible. My girlfriend goes to this church and made about a year this month. Thanks to the help of this former member’s story and her evidence of their falseness I am trying my best to show the members and my girlfriend that this is a business. The word of life is free and God dwells within you not a worldly “Church of God.” Im sure me and my girlfriend are done with since she hasn’t responded to my phone calls or text messages. Even if she does answer I am going to tell her that their is only One God and the only person that is coming back is Jesus Christ. God bless all that have been tricked by these false prophets and may the truth be told. Amen!
Ask her this question. If mother god represents sarah, who is the jerusalem from above and came to this earth. then she would have to have SEX? with her son Isaac to be your spiritual mother because you are supposed to be Isaac’s seed the seed of promise the 144,000.
I can’t believe he left you. I can’t believe the WMSCOG would do that to someone. They’re slowly taking over this guy’s life. Every day I pray to GOD and I thank him and my family for helping stay away from this cult. The church still contactsd me today, but I never answer. It’s weird they still contact me and it’s been months since I left the cult. This ending brought tears to my eyes and can’t bare seeing my love one choosing which is basically a lie over me. I hope you stay strong; if GOD plans for you guys to get back together it will happen just be patient.
God bless you I am right there with in that mess and now my mind is on my children. you will not believe what thay have been saying about me and my soon to be x wife does not even know what they have done to her. I pointed things out and she did not want to hear about what I was seeing and being put through and she is mostly responsible for it. church duties came before work and family. Any thing I did including work prevented her from serving was a reason to fight. Its because they are taught anything that stops you from serving comes from the devil and thats how she saw it and the church has taken it way beyond that now. I stopped going and paying tithe after 15 years because the church got into my marriage that got me singled out and they would tell people to stay away from people and spreads lies about you. It’s all part of the separation process.
Thank you, Thank you so much for your comment… I give me hope. I too lost my husband to the WMSCOG… and hope someday he will come back…
Thanks for this site. I am sure this will help a lot of people caught in this group. My brother is now a deacon for WMSCOG and with some more visit to Korea he may become a Pastor soon:lol:
He is very adamant and his marriage hardly lasted for about 2years. He is used to burning his fingers and whenever he has got trapped in any situation it was late he always realized his mistakes.
So I am positive someday he will know the false God he worships and will have to bury his head in sand as he may not be able to accept the fact that he has been cheated once again in his life by a living fake God on this earth.
Keep this website going and God bless you Admin for your time and patience you have given in helping others
Hopefully your brother can return to his family without any shame please welcome him home
This is Lizzieâs post a WMSCOG member from Jamieâs blog and her story about mother Jerusalem. It sounds like a clip taken from a romantic movie.
By: Lizzie on June 7, 2008 at 2:27 pm on http://jamietalkstogod.wordpress.com/2007/04/06/church-of-god-world-mission-society/
I wanted to get this straight out to those that are enquiring to know:
First off, I donât understand why you want to know about her when you think she is a CULT LEADER and she is heretic because she claims to be God. When we ask our church about our Mother Jerusalem, because we all want to know more about her when we find out she is Christ dwelling on earth. They tell us her birthday, but I personally forgot. I asked my pastor if she was married or not. The truth is she was married and not with Father Ahnsahnghong. They both have families of their own. The reason she came about was because he ESTABLISHED her to fulfill prophesy. He took a picture of her in a traditional wedding dress and in a traditional wedding stance with him to fulfill prophesy. Then he told General Pastor to save that picture that one day he will need. General Pastor has never questioned Father and did as he was told. When it came to that day the people knew he was the 2nd coming Christ his wife claimed she was THE BRIDE. Thatâs when General Pastor pulled out the picture.
Thatâs how our Mother came to be! I just wanted to get that out of the way.
We know his birthday year to be 1918 and that too was to fulfill prophecy about baptized at 30 years old, it had to be when Israel achieved independence after many years of not even existing. He fulfilled the fig tree prophesy.
Looks like the script was written after his death. I truly wonder if he was alive today he would not only consider her but even the gereral pastor as a psychopath for playing around with his teachings
Thank you for posting Sasha. It is interesting how some WMSCOG members are told that ZhangGilJah was never married, and yet other members are told that she was. Why the contradiction? Why does the WMSCOG give different answers to different members? Both answers cannot be true.
It has title: rumours or opinions. Instead of spreading rumours about someone’s private life learn about their teaching. I did not like tie of my professor in Uni but it does not mean I did not listen to his teaching
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I really do want to read about the book and its english version. There is a rumor that the book has been published in english . Can you please put that for reference ???
Problems with New Jerusalem, the Bride and Women’s Veils is online here:
http://ncpcog.co.kr/rb/home/b/0604/441
It’s funny you mention this because when I went to their services one Saturday I was shocked to hear them sing a song I know well from my own evangelical church. I wondered the same thing–if they think my church is one of the ‘evil daughters of the harlot Catholic church,’ why are they singing that song?
I told the deaconess I was surprised that they were singing a song I know from my own church, a mainstream Christian song, and she just smiled. I don’t think the contradiction there even crossed her mind.
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WHY you didn’t mention the TITLE of the New Song..??
I didn’t think the title of the song mattered to the point I was making. And it wasn’t a “New Song” specifically from the wmscog but a regular Christian song that you would hear in any number of mainstream Christian churches.
I have recently heard of this church through my cousin who in my belief is utterly brainwashed! My family is pentecostal and i dont consider myself to be of any religion but i believe in god,the holy spirit (i have seen the holy spirit use people in magnificent ways) and of course in jesus christ the son. I asked god upon arriving to the church of god near my home (even though my relationship with god is not the best) to give me understanding and let me see the truth when these people showed me about their religion. I did not go with an ignorant mind but as i sat there with my mom,cousin and my cousins husband i immediately saw how things didnt add up! The lady teaching claimed we were the angels who rebelled against god,christ already came,and there was no way into heaven except through the church of god. Like i said i never sat down and read the bible but this woman made no sense even i knew that the angels whom rebelled against god were cast out with lucifer and sent to hell where they await judgement. I knew that when jesus came a second time he would come the same way he left which was through the clouds and that this was his second coming which is also when hed take those who are saved with him thus that being the salvation he shall bring,not the passover like they so claim. I asked this woman how do they know mr.ahnsahnhong was christ? She went into the whole idiotic king david prophecy lecture and that made no sense because jesus was greater than david why should jesus have to equal himself as david to prove he is christ second coming? The lady was surprised at my questioning and you could tell she had expected an easier mind to mold. When i asked her if anyone saw ahnsahnhong ascend she said he was found dead at the age of sixty seven and no one knows how so i chuckled and said so he died of natural causes she replied with yes but no one knows how i laughed she had no answer! She herself was baffled! If ahnsahnhong was christ why was he buried? If he supposedly ascended?! Also when she tried to lecture me about how were fallen angels she quoted from revelations 12 why would she do that? Isnt revelations about what is to come? Why not quote how during the first war lucifer and his angels were sent to hell where they await judgement isnt those angels the ones the church claims we are? So are we living in hell then? Seriously im pretty sure that this woman that was lecturing me has never even read that part in the bible because their lessons are cherry picked to suit them. Im going to hear what more they have to say only this time i have evidence of where they are wrong.what can they do? say the bible is wrong? most likely they will politely ask me to leave lol. But im not easily convinced. You want to know whats interesting? I came to my own logical conclusions and i saw the contradictions they themselves make i caused a devoted member to scramble for answers but so many intelligent people like my cousin fall so easily!
the funny thing about this religion is how they themselves contradict what they say and what the church says. why can people not see this? how much more clear can it be made that things dont add up? i mean if they dont want to be shown the verses in the bible where it says contrary to what they are claiming then are they not denying the bible? when i told my cousin about how ahnsahghong himself wrote his opinions in his books and they contradict what the church NOW claims,do you know what she said? “the bible says not to believe what man writes”? isnt their whole religion about how he is christ ahnsahnghong? so she just called him a MAN and that we should not believe what he writes. isnt that what shes saying or is it just me misinterpreting? ive never seen a group of people more contradicting to themselves and so…ignorant and blind in my entire life!
does she believe what General Pastor Joo Cheol Kim writes in his books?
does she believe what Einstein wrote in math text books?
does she believe what she writes in her own notebooks?
the reason it is so difficult to speak to her is because you’re speaking English, and she’s using the language of non-thought. the essential problem i’ve found in dialog with wms members is their inability to process what you actually say. they ignore it or tune it out with some sort of thought-stopping technique such as what you’ve experienced. that’s why speaking with them is so frustrating, and they often come off as rude… because they are essentially ignoring your points.
i’ve been told, that’s what they’re trained to do though. i believe the quote was “just preach.. if they don’t want to listen, then that’s not your problem”. this method of course is only effective in recruiting people who do not question, but blindly follow
Through my experience with my loved one who is in this church, I whole-heartedly agree with you.
What does WMSCOG contradict of the bible?
how else do you think the “heavenly mother” pays for her pretty kimonos? :p
Interesting because some members of the WMSCOG that I have spoken to recently claim that their churches are protected and that all of the others are being destroyed by God because of their pagan worship. But one of their members admitted that the WMSCOG in Myanmar was destroyed on a blog back in 2008. Here is the quote complete with a justification for why “mother” destroyed it. Pretty laughable in my opinion.
http://jamietalkstogod.wordpress.com/2007/04/06/church-of-god-world-mission-society/
âBrother Poland and sister Lizzie we have to be in zion why do you waste your time here when they cannot understand what we preach over and over again.
Do you know our mother said to give love and not fight and because of you two lost sheep on this blog our church got destroyed in the myanmar cyclone.
Even after having kept the passover it did not let disaster pass over our church.â
I never thought I would say this but Dark Angel, THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY TELLING HIM THAT WE ARE NOT AT FAULT.
âWarrior is correct, one of your churches was destroyed by a natural disaster.
However, Lizzie and Poland are NOT the cause of that.
Warrior, it would appear that you are not saved by natural disasters after all.â
Do you know the real reason that the cyclone disaster destroyed that church? They kept sinning even after taking the Passover. There was alot of SEXUAL IMMORALITY, THEY DESECRATED THE SABBATH, THEY WERE NOT IN THE TRUTH AND LACKED FAITH! I am sorry but I am not GOD and I cannot make a whole church BE SEXUALLY IMMORAL! I do not have the power to tell anyone, let alone a WHOLE CONGREGATION to take the Sabbath as a Joke, to not have sufficient FAITH. Mother called the church and asked the Pastor DO THEY KEEP THE SABBATH?, DO THEY HAVE FAITH? and the Pastor told her NO. She then warned him and told him to leave right away, to go back hime.
Like the story of LOT and SODOM & GAMORRAH. An angel of God warned Lot of the disaster coming upon the sin city and asked him to LEAVE and DONT LOOK BACK.
Actually you are dead wrong. Daniel vision cannot be the end times. The four kingdoms babylon persia greece and rome were world powers in written history not in the twentieth century. it was revealed to daniel the eleventh horn who receives power from satan the ruler of this sinful world which is the beast/prostitute that is to be exposed in these last days through the revelation of jesus through apostle john. The book of revelation is directly related to the last century. As far as clouds go, read jude it describes false prophets as clouds without rain, so in turn true prophets are clouds with rain, meaning people who carry the true gospel the good news of salvation the passover. But satan has blinded you with sin that you cannot see the glory of the christ who is our savior that is our Heavenly Mother Jerusalem. Please don’t disrespect my heavenly family again. Revelations also reveals who will win in the end, our mother commander and chief of the heavens army who is on this earth until father comes on fire the very end which is written in the last chapter in isaiah.
Hello Tia and thank you for commenting,
First, you mentioned that “Daniel vision cannot be the end times”. I think that you may be confusing the dream that Daniel interpreted for King Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 2:31-45) with the vision that Daniel had in Chapter 7. They are not the same. I suggest that you read the book of Daniel in its entirety. Yet you seem to ignore the parallels between the beasts in Daniel’s vision (Daniel Chapter 7) and the beasts in Revelation (as explained in the article). Your reference to Jude 1:12 demonstrates little or no knowledge of figurative language and does not provide a significant rebuttal to the argument being made. Please explain the process by which you arrived at the conclusion that you have the ability to judge who, as you say, “satan has blinded” with sin. The administrators on this site aim to seek the truth and present it to all that are interested in reading. The amount of content on this site, and others, in opposition to your organization’s methods and doctrine, leaves the answer to “who will win in the end” largely debatable.
As a member. I apologize for the condemnation that pours onto this slanderous website from our members. The bible says the bible is perfect. Which suggests that its not open for interpretation. Our members believe that. I feel better off believing an interpretation that doesn’t contradict itself. I have not been to a church that interprets the present times as accurately as this church. I would say this website is just as debatable as church of Gods doctrine. Except the lesson from the fig tree. I don’t think Ahnsahnghong could have just came up with that and coincidentally had the exact year of birth to fulfill it. Most of what he teaches is extremely logical and answers many questions. Most peoples doubts are turned into proofs as they are written in the bible. If we learn from what happened with Jesus we can recognize Ahnsahnghong much better. I don’t want to prove anyone wrong. I just want people to know Gods love.
I just fell on my knees and thanked the Lord that I found this website. I’ve had a WMSCOG member hound me with these verses taken out of context and it shook me up a little. We met for a two hour Bible Study and I couldn’t sleep that night with all the new information. Luckily, I started researching the “god the mother” thing and came to realize all of the things that this guy didn’t tell me! Thank you so much for all the hard work you’ve put into this website!!! God bless you..
hey Matt,
sorry for the late reply. thank you very much for your compliments and prayers for the site.
may God bless you in your search for the truth.
Yes, you are a spot on. Thank you so much for putting this website together and showing your information sources. I was baptiesed into this cult under the impression that it was a church that worshiped like the early Christians did before the catholic church was ever formed. I was looking for a sound Bible study group and so desperate to understand the bible. I thought wow God has heard my prayers! They have this way of making you feel so welcome and they are constantly saying god bless you. I truly felt full of joy like god had finally led me to my purpose in life,like all my suffering finally made sence. Little did I know that i was being baptized in the name of some dead Korean guy. Never thought of myself as gullible or easily swayed. I had known the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savour and can recall many times he had weaved miracals in my life so I was ready to make my life focused completely on the things of the Lord. Instead wound up committing the worst sin of my whole life. I am so sad and so ashamed. Thankfully I was able to find this information before spending any more time praying to false gods. The irony is that these people preach to warn you about people like them. I can see how some people that are so intelligent wind up in these cults, i wasn’t even particularly vonerable but the circumstances were just right to suck me in. Though I am emotionally drained for now, I do believe the true Lord Jesus Christ had a purpose for my brush with the wmcog. Though I don’t feel I can repent enough. My lesson is this: feelings no matter how intense can be wrong, someone elses intellect no matter how impressive can be wrong, people who use the bible out of it’s context wrong wrong wrong. I thank you for all the work you have put forth exposing the truth, it makes all the difference because you show the sources for your work. These people are working for the devil and they don’t even know it. May the one true Lord Almighty Jesus Christ be with us always.
Seven years later and theyâre still recruiting people the same way. Itâs insane how weâve had the same encounter! I to wouldnât consider myself gullible, in fact Iâm stubborn. Though, i was curious about the Bible and interested in growing a closer connection with Jesus NOT a random Korean man. When the opportunity presented itself i went along thinking everything happens for a reason.
Well, I constantly questioned the âbible study sessionsâ only to be told to repeat the same highlighted verses for confirmation. The sad part is they 1000% believe in the lies theyâre spreading, itâs the type of brainwashing only to be seen in movies.
Your story is so similar to that of mine with my son, and so many others that I have talked to. One thing for sure, these types of groups are predictable in what they do. My son has also become untrustworthy and he was never like that. I could always rely on him. Not so after his involvement with this group. He, like your son, probably does think that he is going to save us all by getting us into his “church,” but none of us will ever go. Like, you, I was also told that my son was a man, and I should leave him alone. One thing helps me, and that is the knowledge that when my son says something hurtful, I need to remember that I am talking to the “group personality” not him, really. I’ll never have a relationship with the WMSCOG personality, but my son is still in there somewhere. Good luck to you. Let’s stick together in this fight. We can win it.
You are so wrong I go to this church and it is actually šGod the Motherš not just mother or god it has to be capitalized and I am only 11 and I know im correct because I have been in this church for 8 about to be 9 years
good question đ
What is the religion? The religion is belief systems that relationship between God and human.
Then, what about the family? The family is relationship between parents and children.
But, I don’t understand why you are mixing up those two different issues?
I just think there is some soreness between parents and children because the parents couldn’t accept the children’s religion.
However, the above p
 However, the above passage of writing that intending like the religion is the cause of family dispute.
I think you need to think of them as separate issues.
I consulted many other people. However, in this case I feel very heavy.
I think it is the the parents fault.
I understand that you may not agree with the opinion of the author of this personal account, but these parents are concerned about the changes they have seen in their son since he has been involved with the World Mission Society Church of God. Their son has started lying and swearing since his involvement with this “religion”. Yet you say that the changes in his behavior since becoming involved with the WMSCOG are his parents’ fault? Shouldn’t coming closer to God make you a better person? Romans 1:29-31
How is it the parents fault? I had NO problem with my son until the church came into his life. He never lied to me or swore at me and we were extremely close. If the church is so good, why did he change like that? Why hide it from me if it is so good? His personality changed completely once he entered this church. He went from a normal 20 year old man to a sneaky, lying, disrespectful person. As a parent I have watched him slowly destroy everything around him that loves him. He abandoned ALL his friends. How is that the parents fault??? I had complete trust in him before entering the church. He was extremely capable and trustworthy. Why did he sell all his possessions? How is that the parents fault? I am now faced with having to change my will, because, I haven’t worked all my life for my son to hand everything I’ve worked for over to these fake Korean people. John, I’d love to know how you came to this conclusion.
John,
Attending a church affects one’s morality, and therefore the relationships in the rest of our lives.
It is impossible to separate the two. You can not attend a church and not have it affect the rest of your life unless you aren’t paying attention to what is being preached, or are not following it.
It is untenable to hold that you can alter your moral system by attending a church and then compartmentalize it so it doesn’t affect any other aspect of your life.
ttr,
I believe John came to [this comment has been moved to forum for further discussion]
Didnt God say that the Ninivites were going to be destroyed at a certain time period? He told His prophet to warn the people of the coming destruction, but it never came.
I’m not saying Ahnsahnghong did or didnt say the world would in 1988. But if He did, that doesnt necessarliy mean He is a false prophet. God said that Ninveh would be destroyed at a set time, and it did not come, yet you still believe in the Bible don’t you? (yes) Then you cannot say that b/c God said the world would end in 1988, and it did not come, that He is not God.
On one hand, prophecy did not come true and you still believe. But on the other, prophecy did not come true and you do not believe and call the prophet a flase witness.
I think the phrase, you cant have your cake and eat it too is a good one here!
Interesting point. Now let’s look further into why God chose to have mercy on the people of Nineveh. Jonah 3:10 tells us that the people of Nineveh turned from their evil ways of worshiping idols (Jonah 2:8). Therefore God chose not to bring the destruction that He threatened. So let’s say that Ahnsahnghong did predict the end in 1988. (We believe Ahnsahnghong did predict the world would end in 1988 because the pamphlets publicized on Korean internet sites provide support for this.) What evil did the world turn away from in 1988? The WMSCOG considers the cross an idol. Did people all of the sudden stop “worshiping the cross”? Was the destruction only for South Korea? If not then Ahnshanghong would have had to warn the whole world. Did that happen? So does that mean that Harold Camping isn’t a false prophet even though his prediction didn’t come true earlier this year?
That is true God gave them one more chance because they repented their sins. Problem is that was a onetime deal. The bible and the WMS teaches if you continue to sin there is no more atonement for your sins because Crist died ounce and for all. If you continue to sin you crucify Crist all over again which the WMS loves to do. God destroyed many nations and people for their sins for this very reason. To assume God will just keep giving more time and putting off ones punishment again and again is what you hope for because you and the WMS sins are so grievous and through your lies and deception you continue to crucify Crist again and again.
Thanks for this info. One of my family member are in this and how do I get her to see that this isn’t what she needs. I feel she is too far in already and don’t want to see her do something bad. So I’m Asking for help!! Please and thank you.
you’re welcome Candice. I have e-mailed you. please check your e-mail for more information.
I think it wrong to bash one church. I think that every religion is a cult. What’s your problem with church of God when its not really different from other church’s. So what if he says something in contradiction, all pastors do that a lot. I’ve studied different religions and have interviewed people about why they think their church is the right church and they bash other churches like the Christians are fake and Buddhist are miss led Ect. Why must you carry on a website about one church. Excuse my French but I think you need to f*** off. If people want to go and of that’s what makes then happy let them be. I don’t even go to this church and I’m annoyed by you.
Carmen,
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Thank you.
Hi Carmen. Thank you for your post. I also agree that it is wrong to bash one church. However, I am confused. You said they are really not different from other churches. I have researched this church for over three years. I have been there several times, as has my husband, son, and daughter. I am very familiar with their doctrine, and one thing they make very clear is that they ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER CHURCHES. That is why they tell members they cannot go to any other church and be saved. If they were all the same, they would not say that would they? They tell members they cannot even step foot into another church, even for a funeral of a relative, or any other reason. Also, if it is wrong to bash other churches, there is a strong contradiction in their actions. I saw for myself that they have a constantly running video in their cafeteria area about how the Catholic church is evil, and the Pope is evil, etc. I am not Catholic, but this video was disturbing, and evidence that they do bash other churches. From what I have personally witnessed, from what I have researched, and from what I hear from members and former members, I know that this is not a real Christian church. Please research it thoroughly. And then run from this group.
Carmen, please reply. As I said, we do have common ground, such as your comment that people should not bash other churches. What is your reply to my comment? I am willing to listen. I do not think all the people in the wmscog are bad people. I know there are good people in there. What do you think? I am listening.
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The WMSCOG has broken up many families, led people to poverty, brainwashed children, blinded people into following them, misled believers, sued people who disagreed with them (yes, you read that right. They sue people who disagree/say anything bad to them), and worse, they doctored the bible, history, claimed outsiders evil, and even changed their leader’s history (in reality, their so-called leader is against their ideas.). And it’s still happening today.
It is the site owner’s job to expose them and their lies so people will finally escape. I was one of the luckiest ones to not spend much time in the cult (3 months to be exact), but I tell you that escaping this cult is a long, psychological, painful process and I’m still recovering from my trauma.
Call me stupid all you want for being a believer, but some people are just f****** a*******.
Reading this, I’d like to take the time to say I’m sorry that you had an experience like that. All the people I see here online… [comment moved by admin to the forum here].
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Here is a verse for the husband in the above story:
“If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.” Deuteronomy 24:5
I hope he thinks about this verse the next time he asks someone if they “believe the Bible”.
how can you get ahnsahnghong books
unfortunately they are not for sale anywhere outside the church, but you can get some of his books for free online in Korean here: http://www.ncpcog.com
Most of the comments sincerely are useless & doesn’t make any sense_
The First thing is directly note this:
Ahnsahnghong has wife & 4 children that clarifies He is the Anti – Christ.
2. Jesus Christ doesn’t have a wife, else all the apostles would have married & killed Jesus by themself for they really sacrificed their passions to get to heaven.
3. Why do Christian’s need the prophet Elijah in the New Testament
4. Sunday observance is the evolution of God’s plan and either the Pope alright is described as the beast & 666 this happened for us to be divided as a plan to be separated in denominations for sincerely that’s not favourable else we Christian’s will become too powerful in nature.
5. Almost every church has it’s own demerits that’s the plan of the creator.
6. Almost Every church knows & studies in theology about the prophecies of Ellen G White
7. The traditional practises of Christmas & The New reform ways is to worship the Supreme God for even Jesus equivalenty described His qualities in the book of Revelations & The Lords day that’s the will of God
8. As it was so it will continue forever its call evolution of Faith by The spirit of Jesus Christ
9. cos if we Christian’s observe the Sabbath we are no different from Judaism isn’t it_
10. Jesus Christ our Lord & Saviour Himself created all the reformers & Lastly this must be taken very properly cos Jesus never preached about the physical feast only faith in Him is sufficient for a Christian’s salvation_ Amen
If you daughter is caught up in a different religion than you are, than you should talk to her yourself. Talking 1 to 1 is very good. She is your daughter, however you both ought to talk with love, this is the best way. Rebuking each other with repetitiveness verses is meaningless.
Nice work! Keep the truth coming!
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Zahng says the 144k are going to heaven September 23rd 2015 because it is the end of Jubilee year (exactly 50 years after the COG was established) on atonement day. Jubilee means people return to their own property.
Question
How can Zhang be god if she lives lavishly and all the churches in Korea are huge and brand new, yet she makes members from across the world buy everything for their churches? They already pay tithe and offerings but she makes them even pay utilities, supplies, and food? Not to mention the money for events and giving all their savings for house churches. She says the world will end this year on September 23rd so the members need to sell everything they dont need and give the money to the church. Also the children are forced to stay up late at night every night. Each COG stays open until midnight or later. Thatâs called child neglect. Why donât she use tithe and offering for the churches? Sheâs rich, her korean leaders are rich, and her children are dirt poor? Does god make little kids suffer? Does god do illegal activities? This is a for profit church. The Koreans do anything for money. Even if its illegal.
Christina, is this another tall tail of this comical site. I have never heard of such a thing and I have been here longer then most all of you. I came to this site for comedy I get a kick out of the lack of biblical knowledge on it keep it coming Hosea 4:6-
What??? Zahng/Chang/Chung or whatever name she goes by next is NOT living in Korea? The people involved are NOT paying for this stuff? There’s nobody in the WMSCOG that has given up everything? I’m not sure what kind of comedy you are looking for here but it seems that You are the one living with a lack of Biblical Knowledge and certainly an inability to see what’s right in front of you. Take the wool off of your eyes and see what IS going on around you! The truth is real and it is not in the WMSCOG!
My cousin has attended the Church of God for four years now. This was the same time in which I began medical school, so I don’t partake but keep my faith in mind. I get curious about what goes on in her life, especially since she started going there. Apparently, they won the highest award in England, The Queen’s Award, and they are Members of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. I’m conducting my residency in Manchester next year, so in terms of receiving titles in the United Kingdom, it’s incredibly difficult for any non-profit organization or groups collectively who apply for the award to get past the preliminary stages of the application process. However, the first church organization in history, especially since it was WMSCOG, received it. I only have the utmost respect in the Queen’s and parliament’s decision and respect WMSCOG for the good they do internationally. On another note, eschatolgy is also illegal in Korea, so they wouldn’t even be teaching about a certain year or date regarding when “the end of the world” would occur.
There was a court case in Korea where they tried to sue someone for saying they were teaching the end of the world. They lost. They most definitely were teaching doomsday doctrine. I’ve heard them say the end was going to be in 2012. Not just one member, either. Many. You say you don’t go to the church, and it’s because you were attending medical school. Why did you think you needed to say what you were doing as an excuse? I know how the Wmscog uses titles of members etc., to justify themselves. It’s like “Look at this doctor, engineer, professor, whatever. They believe in Mother and our church. So why shouldn’t you with your feeble mind and no title believe?” I don’t fall for that. If you look at the Milgram study, you’ll see why they use titles to try to sway people. Not valid. I think you are trying to say you are very smart, a doctor candidate, no less, so what you say here should be very convincing. Sorry, they’ve fooled a lot of smart people. Obviously, you are either a member, or just another smart person taken in by a clever con.
As they say, FOURTH TIME’S THE CHARM, right?
good keep it up do more research.
YesIthink that the Bible might have many good and true elements . but what I do not get is anhsanhong and the haevely mother, they say that I have not read enought that I need more time they have change my wife thinking and every time she comes from a 12 hour workship on saturday she is more convinced about them having the true. The world is going to end on 2012. One of her friend just came back from Korea, I think soon my wife will also go there I am scare HELP. Amilkar
when your understanding of the bible is limited it seens they know everything. Go study with 7th day Adventists you will see what the WMS stole from there teachings etc etc
ask her the questions that there is no answer to. Or you can ask here. I will help you in what to say and ask.
Oh, those dastardly book writers spreading lies about the poor, defenseless COGs!
I assume that they claimed that the court was led by unbelievers, thus why they lost the case, right?
you are only using man’s opinion, if you believe the bible you believe second coming christ ahnsanhgong,
you dont understand the difference between shadow and reality.
you are saying that because you are not in the truth.
that’s satan trying to trick you.
you are just trying to prosecute us, that fits prophecy, therefore wmscog is true church in the bible.
sounds familiar?
ajumma thank you for commenting.
We have already addressed the empty statements like “if you believe the bible you believe…” here in these articles.
We also understand that the WMSCOG scares you into thinking that the devil is out to get you all of the time as pointed out this article here.
How are we persecuting you? By pointing out the facts about the WMSCOG exposed in a legal document?
Do you think that hearing the pastors and others in the WMSCOG criticizing other denominations during services fulfills prophecy too? According to your logic, the Catholic Church and all Protestant churches are the true churches in the Bible.
To the readers out there, if you would like to sound like these drones, contact your local WMSCOG and sign up for a “Bible study”. If you don’t know where your local WMSCOG is, then just hang out alone at your local mall or college campus and they will find you.
If the catholic church is the true church, then why does the bible also speak about the catholic church being the mother of all prostitutes; that is the only church that drinks from a golden cup. You guys may have a point on the other stuff mentioned, but based on the bibles teaching, the catholic church is not the church of God.
Anonymous, this entire site proves that the World Mission Society Church of God is not the “true church”. What evidence do you need in order to finally realize it?
So the bible says that there will be a church that drinks from a golden cup and that one sign is enough to show that the catholic church is the mother of all prostitutes?
Why don’t you sign up on the forum and discuss with us and prove how you came to that conclusion?
Have you read 1 John 2:22? Does it not describe who is the liar and the anti-christ? Does it not say that whoever denies that Jesus is THE Christ is the liar and the anti-christ? The moment you make Ahnsahnghong another christ, does it not mean that the bible proves that the wmscog is the liar and the anti-christ?
last time i checked, a court case is not “man’s opinion” any more than publishing it is persecution.
i was a member for many years its not to make you feal like that its about the facts at hand and why it makes you feal that way. when god made man in his image he made adam only read Gem 2:8 who do you see there in the garden? It states god had put the man there. He is there alone Eve had not yet been created till the next day from Adams rib. So when God made man in his image he only made Adam he did not make Eve when he said lets make man.Then the bible states why Eve was made because Adam was alone and had no helper she was taken from ADAM and his rib. that means in adams image not Gog. in gen it is telling you the events of what is going to take place god mad man and then a woman but it was not at the same time or in the same reason.
nonsense Adam and Eve were both made on the sixth day God the Mother or no God the Mother. In fact, God did NO work on the seventh day God the Mother or no God the Mother.
ok we will go with that for now, but god did not make them at the same time when he spoke of there creation. for a day is like a thousand years on earth but in heaven a thousand years can be like a hundred thousand years for in heaven there is no such thing as time and thatâs where the story of Adam and eve first takes place. Gen chapter one is clearly the order of the things to come not the event itself. That is made clear in gen 2:8 because god put Adam in the Garden of Eden and he was alone and alot of creating takes place before eve is created. Then god created eve from Adams rib because he was alone and had no helper. We can therefor trace eve to Adams genealogy but you cannot trace Adams genealogy to anyone but God creating Adam in his image. Thatâs why Adam said this in now bone of my bones and she shall be called woman for she was TAKEN OUT OF MAN. Its clear Adam gave her the name woman it was not given to her by god in gen Ch. 1 because Adam named all things on earth. Gen 2:7 it states again God formed man from the dust of the ground and gave him life. Again no mention of eve at the time of his creation of Adam only Adam. So itâs clear only Adam was created when god said let us make man in our image. Then the creation of eve is described in gen 2:20 while god is talking about animals he mentions eve along with them in the same sentence because she is like the animal or the beast of the field. The WMSCOG even teaches that the serpent deceived eve because she was not created when god told Adam not to eat from the tree of good and evil. She had not yet been created so she was not told by god not to eat from the tree of god and evil so the devil deceived her.Did god say lets make eve in our image when she was created NO HE DID NOT.not to meanton god gave Adam his name and Adam named his wife eve in gen 3:20 should I go on?
both Adam and Eve are made in God’s image no matter [comment moved to forum for further discussion]
Adam and Eve were not made on the same day. If you read the bible you will see that this is fact. Adam was made first, than God made all the creatures of the earth and let Adam name them. The next day, God made Eve from Adams rib so he would not be alone.
How new are you in the church? why dont you tell me about copy and shadow I know it well. pleas explain it to me and what it has to do with anything pleas.
I understand the copy and shadow teaching as it was taught, but this teaching is flawed and not scriptural by any means. I’m a former member.
“We are always persecuted, don’t bother with the internet.”
– My local COG.
This is a very interesting argument. I remember hearing Hebrews 9:28 many times when the wmscog wanted to defend their claims about ASH. Basically they said that Jesus came to bear sin and that Christ would return to bring salvation, therefore ASH was Christ because he brought back the Passover. When I was there, the wmscog defined Christ as “god in the flesh” so they also considered ZGJ to be “christ” as well. But I remember the wmscog saying that “mother” would be very sad and wouldn’t smile during 3rd day (Tuesday) and Sabbath services because she was bearing the sins of all of her “children”. So doesn’t that contradict their interpretation of Hebrews 9:28?
Tommy, thank you for commenting.
You are correct. If they say that ZhangGilJah is bearing sins then that does directly contradict the WMSCOG’s interpretation of the verse. Just another contradiction to add to the already long list.
Hi!
My sister was recruited in this organization. All of a sudden, she is telling us that we will go to hell and that we are satan-worshippers. We are troubled with her behavior since she hates us as well because we are strong Roman Catholic followers. We already don’t know what to do with her for her to stop this.
hi betti,
we have sent you an e-mail to follow up so that we can help. please let us know if it does not arrive.
my dear sister, your sister knows the truth,and in most cases people fear the truth.your sister is actually trying to save your soul,it means she feels bad to see being destroyed.my advice is take time and listen to her and then make decision but bear in mind that even if you are sisters physically it does not stop God from taking only the sheep but not the goats.and never say she didn’t tell you.God bless you!
Stop deceiving people with all your pagan doctrines. Remember the gods you are worshiping is false, they are Buddhist by birth. Still if you insist that they are gods, then you are definitely in the lake of fire. The devil has captured you, it is impossible for you to free yourself, because you have gone out of your mind to believe in God who were before 30 Buddhist. Just imagine who must captused them, it the devil. Brothers and sisters there is no need to be afraid of what they teach. Read the bible study it, make the teaching of Jesus christ come in your life, everything will be alright. Even after keeping the passover, disaster have come and people died. Do not be afraid, come out of this madness of WMSCOG. You will be free.
My suggestion is, don’t fight your sister. If you have tried to show her through scripture, history and the contradictions in the teachings of Ahnsanghong and ZangGilJah and she didn’t listen, stop. The Gospel is simple, Jesus Christ Died for our Sins and rose again. Jesus is our salvation, no Passover or Sabbath can save you except faith in Jesus Christ. He is the way, the Truth and the Life. not some pagan rituals like heavenly parents day and new Jerusalem day which are not in the bible.
The more you try to fight your sister the more she will tear away from you. She needs to hear the truth in segments at the same time while understanding that you love her more than the destructive cult. Show her love and compassion because that’s what she thinks she is getting from this cult but it’s all fake. They will fail her at some point – she will miss a tithe payment and they will shun her like they always do or she will miss enough services that they will start threatening her with hell and being cut off from the vine.
When this happens, show her more love so that she will see who has been telling her the truth all this time.
Peace.
they have a book called mother’s wish. by joo cheol kim. anyone knows?
Hi,
Like many others who have commented,I have been losing a close family member to the WMSCOG. I really appreciate this site and I recently found it after doing some digging on WMSCOG’s peculiar interpretation of the bible. I am looking for some advice on how to convince my sister to see the church for what it really is. My sister has been a member for more nearly 2 years now and at first she threw herself into all of the studies, so of course my family became alarmed. She asked us to come for a study and come for a service one Saturday. I thought the study and the service was interesting, as I am a person who sees value and some truth in many different religions, however my openness to other faiths would not allow me to just accept everything they were saying as “truth.” Plus the 2 times I went to the church, I did not get a good vibe from it, and as other people have mentioned on this site, the energy of the members like they were sooooo happy to meet me and didn’t even know me, was very strange. Anyway, after my sister finished her studies she seemed to lighten up a little on her attendance and fanaticism, but then recently it started to get worse as she mentioned to us she wants to become a leader in the church. When my parents first worried that the church was a cult, I tried to reassure them not to worry that they just have different beliefs than a traditional Christian church but they aren’t trying to harm anyone. That’s what I thought at first, and although I couldn’t get with all of my sisters beliefs, I wasn’t going to try to refute them because if the church made her feel at peace with God who was I to change her mind. However now my stance is changing and I’m starting to feel compelled to pull her away from the church and show her all the inconsistencies. I’m concerned about her continuing to sacrifice so much for the church (TIME, MONEY & SANITY) thinking that shes doing it for God questioning everything outside the church without even questioning anything inside the church. I think this website will help me pull together sources of info to perhaps show her, but is there any advice on how I can do it in a way that isn’t trying to prove anything to her, but instead be a catalyst so that she will at least attempt to see things from a critical eye? My sister can be very stubborn and I’m scared she will just brush this off as another attack on the church without even considering any of the information. But at the same time she has always been very interested in bible study that’s how the church was able to recruit her, so perhaps if I can line up the inconsistencies in their interpretations of the bible to show her, perhaps that will be a starting point. Any advice on what may have worked on other former members would be helpful; I read some of the former member testimonies but it seems a lot of former members begin having their own doubts without considering the influence of family doubts, so Im wondering if its going to be something my sister has to wake up one day and see on her own, or if someone like me from the outside can give her a push? Thank you and sorry for the long thread!
hi,
thank you for your compliments on the site. very glad to hear it has helped you.
very sorry to hear about your family member. we have sent you more information via e-mail to follow up. please let us know if you do not receive it.
I need help please! I have a 26th old son that is in this crazy church and I am having a hard time trying to convince him that they are not right. I’m not gonna make this a long note but please if you can help me I would greatly appreciate it cause I don’t know what to do and he lives in a different state I do. It’s really stressful and I need all the help I can get. Thank you!
Hello,
My brother is going through the exact same thing can you please send me anything that will help me!! please!! I’m extremely scared for him.
Hi Capri, Please don’t stress too much. This cult is not as bad as one might think. Your brother is not gonna die – well at least not physically, only spiritually, unfortunately.
There are many videos you can play for him which are on the internet like Pastor Mike Winger who beautifully and calmly destroys this cult from the power of Scripture. If your brother does not listen to the truth of Scripture – like they teach him not to, please don’t fight him. Just love him. Love him better than the false love he receives from the cult. It has worked for me. I preached so someone close to me, argued and decided stopped for a while and just showed love. Today she has come to see the truth. Thank to God!!!
2018-2019 my sister joined this organization. help me
your sister knows everything idlers do so when you tell her it will be like some other thing
internet is trash in trash out God has given the power to understand why look for other peoples opinion
Hi Jane,
I am sure at this point you’ve seen the falsehood of the wmscog and have come out of there. Please share your experiences with us. We really want to know what it took to get you out of there. Did you read Anhsanghong’s books and realise they say nothing about god the mother? Did you somehow find Ahnsanghong’s book where he taught that god the mother is a delusion or did you realise after reading the Mystery of God and the Secret of the Spring of the Water of Life that only Jesus is the saviour even in the last days in accordance with Ahnsanghong’s own words? Which did it for you?
Thanks in advance.
Please send me info – my son just got involved last week & it seems i can tell him nothing
God the father and God the mother is not even a possibility. God the father would have broken a covenant in order to make Mary with child. This would also have made Jesus the illegitimate son of God. Not a perfect sacrifice for the worlds sins.
You do not see the scriptures accordingly, Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, he created them male and female. So there are two images male and female, in the Hebrew Bible God stands for Elohim(plural)
Your argument has been completely refuted here in this article. Please read.
Hi Laura, please do some research for yourself. Elohim is the plural for god however in Hebrew when you place a plural in front of a singular topic is simply says that the topic is great or superior. I’m sure you can agree that God is great and surely superior. I’m glad I can help you with this. There have been many things that this group has mislead people about. Please take everything your told and research it for yourself. You might want to start with Constantine. They say he abolished the Sabbath but history proves different. Don’t take my word for it. Do your own research. The truth will set you free. May the love of Jesus Christ lead you back to him.
but actually,laura is right. because if god the mother did not exist why there are mothers in the family. even on plants.animals and etc. there are mothers who were the copy and shadow of god the mother. i am not a member of the church but after the discussion about them i realize what they are sharing about is true. but i am not forcing you to believe. let us just wait for god’s coming. if who will be eternally joyful and who will be eternally suffer.
Laura, has your mind changed about the images of God?
Please keep up with the good work! May the Great Alfa and Omega continue to bless your work as your words may lead those back to remember there one true love of Jesus Christ. Thank you so much for all of your time and effort! May many repent and learn the meaning of true discernment that we never stray again. Remember people God speaks to us but so does the prince of the powers of the air. Do you know who you are really listening too?
I believe that the words, “God bless you” are being used to influence members. When ever someone from this group calls my wife (which is several times a day) they always seem to start and end the conversations with, “God bless you.”
Is this one of the books WMSCOG uses? Please tell me it is so I can get my wife to look at it. The reason I ask is because on the cover of the book it has their name.
Yes this is one of the books that the WMSCOG uses. Your wife may have a copy.
Greetings
I really need the full copy of the book.Where and how can I get it.???
U know what’s sad, is that someone would apply to get recognition for serving others. Clearly not the Jesus I know “do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing”. The Pharisees gave in public to be seen before men. True followers of Jesus serve anonymously.
I am not at all a religious person – but I believe it is also taught that if you are looking for recognition of your charitable givings – you are being charitable for the wrong reasons.
Exactly! I remember for one blood drive they were asking for more members to donate because they need X number more donors. More donors for what? To reach what quota? Clearly they weren’t doing the drive because the people in hospitals needed it. They were doing it to get recognition.
Whatever that is said here is not true at all. I just verified With the white house secretary [comment moved by admin to the forum]
do you have a book called: mother’s wish? by joo cheol
Yes we do.
I have now heard that this group uses the story of Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar as a prophetical representation of God the Father and God the Mother. Are you kidding me? They are making it really easy to prove them wrong. Lets say that this representation is true. If it is then God the Mother told God the Father to sleep with another woman what’s worse is that he does it. Would God do either of these things? Of course not. Lets go on. After he makes the other woman pregnant he has sex with God the Mother and she gets pregnant with the child of promise also seen as the son of God or a prophetical Jesus. But hold on, God the Mother is the bride of the Son of God according to the scripture and the WMSCOG. Isn’t this incest? Would God ever do that? I think that this group needs to cut its losses now, pack its bags, admit its a scam to its members, and disappear off of the face of the earth.
It’s so sad to see the responses from WMSCOG members, they seem so simple minded and brain washed to the extent that they can not see the simple truths right in front of them. My daughter has been involved with them now for 2 years and she has changed. We pray everyday that she will come to her senses and realize that she is being lied to. She is penniless and we have had to cut her off financially. Since when does a church allow their members to give all of their finances? I challenge all their members to give $1 a week and see what their “Savior” will say about that!
I went to this church for about a month and it messed with head. My now ex boyfriend is still a member.. They even made me feel guilty for working at a special needs school funded by Catholics.. They try to tare you from you family and loved ones.. Your job etc… I dont think it is ok to bash a church but I think ppl are just angry from the harm this church is causing… Church isn’t suppose to make you feel this scared and awful..
A real church DOESN’t make you feel scared and awful. A harmful one DOES. It is unfortunate they are so manipulative, but how else could they get anyone to join?
Please help I have a daughter who just joined and she has totally changed, she is like a zombie, sleep deprived, instilling fear that the world is going to come to an end, she is not LIVING. She did not want to go to her own aunt funeral. They are isolating her. She criticize other religions. We are not suppose to JUDGE anyone God is the ultimate. I am the mother, and I feel so helpless
Funny how the church still plays and preys,…instead of praising and praying. It has been that way since Jesus walked the earth. Even he was p****d about it and flipped the tables in the temple.
Okay people here it is. GOD IS EVERYWHERE. GOD DOESN’T COST A THING. Four walls with a cross stuck on the top, nor a tent or a gathering have anything with “keeping the lords day holy”. It is more about taking a day to reflect on all you have done and the joys God has given you. Church is a business. They sell religion. Business has been pretty good over the last 600 years. People go there, pay there tithe, sit for a few hours and listen to a tale. If you can read, open the book and read it. “Dont be led blindly like sheep”. It isn’t hard. Use your own head, talk with friends if you dont understand.
I get so tired of the blatant ignorance people show. They want to follow even when they are mislead. At some point you have to open your eyes, research the history of the bible, its teachings and why you clutch that book. Make up your own minds.
Amen…
Anonymous & Carmen —- Ive been going to this church for about 6months now, and I really believed I found God .. The way they teach you the bible is so amazing , fun and you believe with all your heart its true,,, But in all reality it’s not! True god almighty dont dwell there , but the devil him self …. That pastor, [name removed by admin] is Satan in the flesh and I dont care what any one else think…. He is totally the opposite of what he preaches…. He is pure evil… First he try’s to scare the skin off of you, then say “if you do what i say then you will be my sister/brother and i will be your brother , if not your Satan” What kind of holy man speaks like this…… The fact that this website is up is a good idea. people need to know the truth about this fake church. This church gives you false hopes and dreams. And all they do is take take, take , your hard earned money.. For there queen in Korea… This CULT can destroy your life,I almost gave up everything because I wanted to serve “GOD” and I would of too, if my friend and websites didn’t wake me up from this spell…. I feel so hopeless inside and confuse…. Who can I trust?
Since his real name is not [removed by admin] it’s a aka, lets call him pastor [removed by admin]. I used to be mad as hell about him kicking people out of the church and the way he would screw with people in order to make them leave on their own. Trust me now, it’s a blessing. I hope he makes everyone angry so they all quit. Don’t feel hopeless or confused. Did not God open your eyes and get you out of there? Trust in God, He is still looking over you.
Pastor, [removed by admin] was really happy to sue ji-won tak , he was bragging about what he did.
He also had members sign a consent document stating, we can not use the books to slander the church or use it for our own privilege .
What church you know would act in such of behavior. He’s truly all about the cash. And this whole organization called ” CHURCH OF GOD” is only a business. And soon ALL the member’s from this church will know.
I just pray they dont end up in a crazy house.
In the sermon, ” What shall we give to god?” a young brother is stealing two eggs a day from the family. His reason for doing it is to buy new shoes for his mother. This story is designed to tug on your heart strings. Upon further thought and holding it up to the Word of God is this not still stealing? WMSCOG still believes that stealing is a sin don’t they? This son keeps his activities a secret even though his family is trying to find out why eggs are missing. Isn’t that a form of lieing? In the end he presents his mother with the shoes, finally comes clean about what he’s been doing, and everything is alright. What? Again I say What? This kid lies and steals and it’s alright? Where is the needed correction? It seems that the WMSCOG believes that the ends justify the means. Is this what they call a righteous lie? This must mean they believe that lies are ok as long as the end product is good. Judging from this sermon, everyone can expect to be lied to by this group if they feel that they can influence you into their idea of good. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord Jesus and that includes not lieing and asking for forgiveness and accepting correction if we do.
I’ve been a member for about 6months. I thought this was it i finally found god, I understood the bible, and its meaning. They put in your head the reason you suffer is because we are sinners and this is our punishment. if we have no money , no education, if we had a baby ect…. This was our punishment from god. And the only way to live a better life , is if we walk in the light of god ( following them). I almost dropped out of school, and was about to give up my apartment , to get a job and give them my money.. I felt like i would of did almost anything thing because I believed i was doing it for god… Then one day my friend tells me she’s leaving the church and never going back, i couldn’t understand why would she want to leave “mother & father” , Then she started saying that the church is a cult , its not real, they are brain washing me ect… .I started looking at her as if she was the devil, i felt she wanted to spiritually kill me , because she was leaving. I was so upset with her that i told my deaconess and i didn’t want to speak to her again , and they told me not to speak to her as well.Days went by and i started to question my self, saying what if she’s right! I felt so spiritually weak , i thought i was losing faith, I was upset at my self for even paying mind to her. one day my curiosity got the best of me and i stared searching the web looking for information, and i couldn’t believe it. Then I stop cause i didn’t want to believe what i was reading….
One day on sabbath we had service and pastor [removed by admin], started talking about the history of Anh,” he said how Anh was married and divorced with 2 children,And he and “mother” never married. Anh never prayed in his name , but in Jesus name, and Anh never claim to be God, he was the teacher. Pastor,also said that one day in Anh time, A lady went into his bag and looked at his notes and saw that a bride is to come. This lady claimed to be the bride .
supposedly when she caused tension within the members she was kicked out. Anh said that there is no bride and the bride is the church to protect “mother”, that was it for me . The spell was broken and I started to think for my self again , I did more research about this so called god and it broke my heart I couldn’t believe they would do such a thing. I feel so raped and hopeless, confuse, and anger all mixed up … It’s not right, this can truly distort a person’s life .. Luckily my daughter keeps me sane. I hope every member’s from WMSCOG cult wakes up sooner than later.
Thank You soooooo, much for this website.
God bless you! â„
where to go now keep to yourself. did you see how convincing they where with the bible all the churches are much like this. I’m shure when God comes again his true church will keep all of gods commands not just sabbath,passover and some feasts. Like love, forgiveness, not judging, lying, marriage etc. which this church does not care or have an opinion about or keep. People there who dont participate in preaching are singled out and harassed by the pastor. He will even take you in his office and ask you what your doing going to church as if faith in God is not good enough. They love to make examples of people for all to see and the rest love to talk about it. I heard that fool for a pastor in Receda tell a story about George Washington about chopping down the cherry tree that he could not tell his father a lie and that being honest was the point but it’s not the point. That story is told in school to our children because honesty leads to truth and truth to justice. Washington was willing to take his punishment for what he did. That is why our constitution was written by Washington reflecting this story, but is it not strange that mankind has a grater moral standing for the laws of man than this church has for Gods commands and laws? Should it be said that we don’t have to keep the laws of man since we are above Gods commands and laws? If that is the case then there would be no way to know right from wrong and there would be no such thing as a sinner. So in the present case killing stealing, lying, cheating, divorce and out with the ten commandments is ok with gods true church? How is it then they claim to keep the Gods truth?
I am so sick to my stomach, I don’t know who to believe any more, alot of their studies make sense, like the sabbath and the passover, the seven feast of GOD, I can see that so clear, it’s in the bible in black and white. BUT, LORD forgive me if I’m wrong…..BUT I don’t and can’t see MOTHER, I JUST SEE A HOLY CITY coming down out of GOD. They try to make me feel guilty, I must believe in both to be to SAVED! I have so many questions and it’s always the same run around, next lesson you will see, and I see nothing, but feel EVERYTHING, I may be new but GOD created no fool, Seriously, I HAVE ALOT TO SAY, BUT for now can someone tell me how you figure from 3 verses that we have a mother god, Our CREATOR IS ALL OVER THE BIBLE, but mother is not. They tell me that the bible testifies about mother from begining till end..THEN SHOW ME,BECAUSE THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY! AND don’t use the verse, the reason they don’t see or hear is because they do not belong, because like i said above i do see, SABBATH, PASSOVER, AND GODS 7 FEAST, maybe i don’t see mother because she don’t belong. I know i sound harsh for saying this, but no one here can JUDGE ME, ONLY GOD…. but like i said FORGIVE ME LORD IF i am wrong, BUT I AM SOOOO CONFUSE, PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND
đ I’M DYING HERE…SPIRITUALLY
Its ok.. relax. Faith in Jesus is the way. Look out for false prophets and do all you can to walk as Christ walked. If you see biblical hopscotch, then do not believe a word of it! Parables, prophecies, and eye witness testimony should never be combined to make a point. That is what they do. I could probably use the bible to say some other seriously blasphemous stuff with just as much believable using their tactics. Hold fast to the truth and read the new testament. It is clear that there is one God, the Father.
John 3:16 should help you not to be confused
So “god” didn’t know that someone was looking through his belongings? So “god” needs notes? Why? Because he might forget his interpretations of the “truth”? Sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
WHERE TO GO NOW…WAS THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN PEOPLE WALKED OUT OF CALIFORNIA ZION AND THEY (ALL THE EAST COAST ZION) WERE TO MEET ON A SABBATH AND PAY 20.00 PER person. THEN IT WAS DROPED AND A PASTOR WENT TO ALL THE ZION AND SHOW TWO VIDEOS AND SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE SLADERING THE CHURCH, and that he trew out two sisters for slandering and that he was going to sue someone in the internet (could this be THIS site I hope this site is hacker proof I hear so many things) who has a website of church and he made EVERYONE SIGN a paper that if we leave the church and talk about it or put out their books or materials that he would sue us too. HE talked about some (umo) lady who stole book and found out the truth of a mother god so ash wrote another book with her name in it becuz she was claiming to be GOD. That sounded so fake to me, like really WHY would GOD need to write book. WE HAVE THE BIBLE!
amanda did you read the lawsuit? it’s on this site. they have been hiding this info and that’s part of what daniel is refering to
amanda yes that does corresponed to whats taking place in LA and your sisters where most likley asking the same info we are. I would like to talk because the info changes church to church contact this web page pleas I will explain in detail and read my post ok.
I was at that meeting and signed the contract!
If you have already been baptized, how do you just leave? Did they try to find you afterward? I’m asking because they take your address and phone number and everything when you get baptized… I knew something was wrong when they started to say that there was a man and woman that was god on earth and their songs
were to them instead of god himself.
Meme, thanks for your question. When you stop attending, you can expect to be contacted by whoever was in charge of monitoring your activity. Kindly explain that you do not want to return and move on if that is what you wish to do. Don’t fall for their “we can answer any questions you have if you just come to do one more study” line. Or my favorite, “the internet is full of lies from satan”. That is just an attempt to suck you back in to their deception.
Hello Meme, as a former member I encourage you not to fear them. Yes, i bet they wrote your name and info in their so called book of life. They have many fear tactics and the more we are open about them, the more Jesus and His angels will protect us. If possible, just change your location for your peace of mind. We must keep praying for God to intervene. This is a money making organisation and we have the right to speak freely, especially after experiencing how they operate. They often claim people come and spy on them at their so called Zion. if they were truly who they say they are then they wont worry so much. how many times did Jesus take anyone to court?? How many times did he lie?? How many times did he demand that families only focus on him and not love their families?? Never did he do any of those things i mentioned. They carefully observe all members continuously. Cameras inside the sanctuary right on the congregation always made me feel uncomfortable. The so called mother never leaves Korea but is stationed there – why is that? Jesus moved about spreading that which he came for. This woman is not God and their is only one true God – Jesus of Nazareth. They will continue to put fear into the minds of their members. As we all know 2012 has come and gone. And only the God of Isaac, Abraham, and Jacob know when He will be back. We must pray in one accord, we must pray faithfully. The one thing that has always assured me that they are false, is that Jesus would not have chosen to be born into a pagan idol worship family. Their so called Christ was born in a contradictory way. He, God, gave us common sense for a reason. However, due to the intensity of their mind control tactics, it’s so easy to ignore the obvious. Too many lives have been destroyed, mine too, so yes, I will fight the good fight of faith in the almighty name of Jesus Chris who IS THE TRUE GOD! Meme, do not fear! We have a God greater than lies who sincerely forgives and protects.
Sara,
Thank you for your affirmation that Jesus Christ is the one true and living God! I really appreciated your post. I am on this site because a couple came to my door today. I really feel like they were sent to my house for a reason. Perhaps so that their minds would be freed from the deception they are following. My heart breaks for these two people, especially the young lady who seemed to be the “trainee”. She has my cell phone and I have hers. I am praying that something I shared with her today would be a seed planted that God would grow to deliver her. Please pray for her and that God would give me wisdom, as I feel that I should share with her again. Any further insight would be appreciated.
-Tara
does anyone know how old is zhang gil jah? and does she have children?.
Yes, it is believed that she is in her 60s and has 2 children.
You People don’t know her age in this 2012 her age is 70.
69 this year i believe
God the Mother is now 72 years old.
thanks anthony. how do you know her age?
No, it’s not 72. She will turn 70 in Nov. 14, 2012. That is her birthday. I’m a new member of this church. For about three months. And i ask my Korean brother about her age.
I’m in the state of confusion now, whether i have to continue going to the church of WMSCOG or go back to my former religion as a Christian Alliance. I get baptized in WMSCOG 2 months ago. And I continue go to their church to study and for me to really understand their belief. But, until now I can’t totally accept and understand that the 2nd coming of Christ already happened. And about God the Mother who came to the earth as flesh. I’m having a hard time if i will accept Christ Ahnsanghong as our Savior and also to mother New Jerusalem. Every time my Korean friend asked me if i totally accept God the Mother and Christ Ahnsanghong as our savior in this age. I just nod to him, with a smile. But deep inside, It’s not totally 100% that i accept Christ Ahnsanghong and New Jerusalem as my personal savior. I really don’t know why., Please advice me about my state of confusion right now.
hey anthony. unfortunately the e-mail address you left on your comment is invalid. if you contact me from the contact form, i can speak with you further.
the same situation right here. My friend invited me to come to the Church and already baptized immediately. I can’t say no because every thing they say is in the Bible. But when my friend started to say she is the Heavenly Mother and the Holy Spirit is Ahn Sahng-Hong. I started to have a doubt. They seem very convincing and the Deacon was very nice and approachable . The place was decent and impressive. They are kind and understanding. Before I get into it, I will consult this to my spiritual advisor from my current Church. I am a logical thinker and at the same time have Faith. This will test if that Faith that I hold is true.
This is a good plan of action. I do hope that the advisor at your church understands about preconceived ideas backed up by specially chosen scriptures. What the WMS does is something I call slicing and dicing. You could do thid on your own as well. Take any idea that seems good to you and research through the Bible any scriptues that will back up your idea. Here’s a real simple example: the reched, knowing he was lost, took himself out and hung himself. – now go forth and do likewise. The first part of this refers to Judas after his betrayal of Jesus. The second part is from Jesus himself as he was addressing a crowd. Both are taken out of context but when put together it seems that we should go hang ourselves. This of course is not true but it is out of the Bible right? Please don’t fall for this kind of thing. You have a good idea going to you church and talking to a spiritual advisor. Keep in touch and let us know how it goes.
Everything is Biblical don’t let anyone put you down. If you see it is Biblical just keep going because others don’t get to. Not everyone is allowed. What you see and understand is for you and all you love not anyone else. You don’t need any approval from anyone weather you understanding clearly. You have been blessed to see. Like I said not everyone is allowed to see. You may go to 100 people or 1k and they all look at you as if your wrong maybe you preached to 10k, Who cares what anyone thinks because when you see it is right it’s right. And no one can say other wise. Take for instance if your family member gives you a yellow and green shirt and they say it’s called a yellow and green shirt because your family member gave you the meaning and reason witch is let’s say because the shirt is mostly yellow and only some green, and you go to your friend and say my Family member gave me this yellow and green shirt you should come get one for the family reunion, and he looks at you and says it’s green and yellow, then you say no its yellow and green because there is more yellow than green. Then he says it’s green and yellow. Sentimental feelings man. God put so much time into saving you. All you have to do is Study fo r yourself keep reading The Holy Bible and study with W.M.S.C.O.G.
If you study the basic studys memorise them. No one can take them away if you memorise them. Study one subject and when you understand it and you know it’s true without a doubt then memories it man because truth is pure and worth more than anything. When you have something perfect if it fits that’s the only way it will fit perfectly is if you only keep it perfect. People sometimes have there opinions let them be the hat that goes ahead and you be the tie and hang around. It will always be perfect to you now it’s just adding to the perfection and praying for those that could not see like you have. They may be with pride but we have God’s words that come From Jerusalem just as prophesied. They have no protection. They need the seal of God in order to be protected.
MikeyMan, really? This is your “logical” advise? You would equate a persons spiritual quest for truth to an argument over a shirt and then suggest that the WMSCOG gets to decide what you should know and /or think? How crazy does that sound? I hope you don’t take serious medical advice the same way. One doctor says he wants to do surgery for your headache do you jump right in or do you get a second opinion? The next doctor could run some tests and find out you’re dehydrated. Your headache goes away by simply drinking more water! Don’t ever get stuck only listening to one source of information like the WMSCOG! Do your own research! MikeyMan, you gave some really bad advice!
Here’s what you do Anthony: Follow along closely: WAKE THE [moderated by admin] UP.
Religion, to me, is not a church, I believe in God, but I do not believe in any churches, to me churches are man made, they are made to serve men, to serve only the founders of that particular church, under the disguise of serving God.
There is NO God the Mother, no such character in the Bible, it is this cult that twisted the interpretation of the Bible to serve their needs. this God the Mother, and all the weird doctrine that they adapted by their own interpretation the some particular versus to confuse and brain wash their members. (such as no cross, and do service on Saturdays, instead of Sundays)
Dear Gil-jah Zahng,
today on your 70th birthday I want to give you my warmest greetings publicly. And here is the place to reach most of the members and getaway members at the same time. The readers of this site are the most eager researchers about the truth, however on every single page that I read, I found at least one significant error. So, whenever I came here I went back to the church much stronger than when I had left.
This time it is different though. I am out even in case your church does have the truth. To me it is really still equally possible: That the church’s concept is completely right or completely wrong.
However, whether one way is true or the other does make a big difference. Some ex-members e.g. on this site have given a lot, have dropped their careers, have chosen a spouse who would only fit until the next end-of-the-world-date or have lost one who would have fit beyond that date. In your time zone in Bundang nobody yet has celebrated your birthday even though it has ended 7 1/2 hours ago. And nobody really will cheer you birthday on the upcoming Sunday, when the Korean moon calender shows your 71st one. They will mourn that it is their fault, that you still have to live on in this difficult place called earth waiting that the last sheep will be found. Maybe it is my fault, but what should I do.
We live on this planet for a limited time, and in a long term sense we will leave no traces here. For a few decades of course some will remember us, but for centuries or for millennia that will not happen. And even if… compared to eternity it all is nothing.
Yet, this little short life here: Is the world becoming better if nobody fights for their rights anymore? O.k., I ask the opposite question, too: Is the world becoming any better if everybody fights?
There are some things to fight for in my case, and I will not hang out out waiting and losing time. I hope I won’t.
Anyway, your path for change is long and hard either. Can I wish you good luck or something? But if I could I would.
Yours in love…
Dear Admin,
since I’ll be off for a while, I am going to answer your next question now: How do I know the date?
Her birthday is on a different date every year, so it must be related to the moon calendar. In 2012, Nov. 14 was Oct. 01 in the moon calendar, and since the Koreans add one year at birth, she wasn’t born in 1942 but in 1943. A simple Google search completes it:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Zahng+Gil-Jah%22+OR+%22Gil-Jah+Zahng%22+OR+%EC%9E%A5%EA%B8%B8%EC%9E%90++%22date+of+birth%22+OR+birthday+OR+%EC%9D%BC%EC%83%9D+OR+%EC%83%9D%EC%9D%BC+Oct+OR+10%EC%9B%94+OR+Nov+OR+11%EC%9B%94+29+OR+14&oq=%22Zahng+Gil-Jah%22+OR+%22Gil-Jah+Zahng%22+OR+%EC%9E%A5%EA%B8%B8%EC%9E%90++%22date+of+birth%22+OR+birthday+OR+%EC%9D%BC%EC%83%9D+OR+%EC%83%9D%EC%9D%BC+Oct+OR+10%EC%9B%94+OR+Nov+OR+11%EC%9B%94+29+OR+14
O.k., it is not that simple, but still, why could nobody find it out here? No offense, please, but all this arguing and fighting actually closes down the mind, which makes me think about my own troubles…
Good bye
There’s no possible way that we were angels. First of all the angels had already been created and the rebel angels had already been cast into the Earth before Adam was created. In Genesis it says that God created MAN. Not angels, MAN. Satan was already in the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve were placed there. We are made humans not angels much less angels cast out of Heaven. God doesn’t make mistakes and his word is perfect. The Bible also states that there was a rebellion in Heaven. This is when Lucifer and one-third of the Heavenly host were cast into the Earth to wait for judgment. This ended the rebellion in Heaven. The Bible also states that there’s no sin in Heaven. With these facts there can not be either rebellious or sinning angels in Heaven. Knowing the history of Heaven we know that the angels that rebelled have been cast into the Earth. Every sinful angel would be there waiting for judgment. God would not send some down there and others to possibly be redeemed. That would not be fair or just. God is fair and just. We are not and never have been angels. This is clearly a false doctrine designed to make people feel guilty for sin that they never committed.
I have a family memeber who is this program. I am deeply concerned along with my mother and father to how intertwined she has become in this ‘church.’ I anyone can offer me any adivice or assistance with thi problem, it would be GREATLY appreciated. I’m so lost right now đ
Hello John, will be in touch via e-mail. Please make sure you receive it.
I recently read a sermon by WMSCOG which stated that the children of Israel didn’t enter the promise land because they grumbled. I’m confused, the Bible, where this story is found by the way, says that their disobedience is what caused them to stay in the desert until most of their generation had perished. Grumbling did happen but it was not the reason. Members of the WMSCOG please look at everything you are being taught and hold it up to Gods word. When it doesn’t match up get rid of it because it is not truth. I keep reading different sermons from their website and surprisingly I have not found one yet that is without fault. Throw out the bad stuff. Do your own research and find the real truth because what you’re being given is not the truth.
I want all of you to know one thing outside the church and inside the WMSCOG. We are not blinded by the devil nor are we slanderers against you who wish to distort the church and the rest of the WMSCOG claims and accusations that they’re making against us. ON the contrary we are dismayed,in disbelief,confused,hurt and angry. In fact it has been the WMSCOG who has spread lies and rumors about us in order to discredit our reputation and its you who have helped them spread the false accusations around. We have only seen some information the church has been trying to cover up and get rid of because this has been happening throughout the church for many years. we are not the first and most likely not the last. I know you inside the church are too scared to look but it does not go beyond common sense and it’s not spiritual as well.The information at hand puts a wrench in the history and teachings and claims of the WMSCOG fulfilling prophecies and the like. THIS IS NOT OUR FAULT so stop and think a little harder about whats taking place.If the information at hand is false or untrue and has been fabricated it should be easy for the WMSCOG to prove publicly if there is nothing to hide so we may all feel at rest and sure of our faith,a solid foundation.There are just some questions that came up as a result of a book that ASH wrote and a law suit between the NCPCOG and the WMSCOG. When we asked for an answer about this our faith was immediately questioned. this was not expected. it was said we were slanderers.The church is throwing so much information around thats its information overload and hard to discern the truth.Why is this being done instead of an upfront explanation from the WMSCOG. Does the church have a solid foundation or not?
they will reconcile this somewhow regardless of discrepancy.
world mission church of god’s or any cult’s strategy is to draw conclusion first and then find ‘evidence’ later to support it.
In your post, they can reconcile it by doing the following:
– ahnsahnghong IS jesus.
– ‘heavenly mother’ is also an angel.
dogma indoctrination in world mission church of god so strong, members cannot see anything but their organization view.
world mission church of god is just an organization for recruiting new members and making money in the process.
I totally agree, well said! It is definitely about getting people who have struggled, been addicts, or had a rough life to feel hope and give what money they have.
“world mission church of god is just an organization for recruiting new members and making money in the process.”
Mr. Dojo: Who told you that COG organizati0n are recruiting money for the members did you enter to our Church? Don’t take wrong assumptions and predict something bad in our Church. Why all the world ought to proclaim that the 2nd coming God is Cult????? Isn’t make sense??? You don’t know what you are talking so please all of those who don’t want to believe! Mind your own business. Respect!!!!!!!! đ
May God bless you!
cHayzhie, there are many things Ahn never taught. The WMSCOG has destroyed the intent Ahn had for his congregation. Read more, you’ll see what I mean.
world mission church of god is a cult that can break family apart.
Hi, i recently in the last month became aware of this cult through a friend who is actively recruiting me now. She was like this whole other person a few months ago who i got along with great. Then we hit a few snags in are friendship and i stop talking 2 her as often then she finally blew me off enough 2 where i just stop even trying to be her friend. After 2 weeks of not talking 2 her she finally text me asking do i want 2 “study the bible” long story short(ened) i learned passover,baptized,noticed we no longer did anything but bible study,observed her personality change,and finally after asking and hearing i have to study more finally learned about second coming and the mother…when i started 2 explain how thats not how i interpret new jerusalem she almost flipped saying i believe in mother repeatedly.me reconizing what really was going on i stopped and asked for another explanation. i tried 2 finish on a good note so that i could have time to think how can i show her the truth without trigger those defense mechanisms and losing her as a friend forever. i know shes in the recruitment stage now so shes in deep i just would really aprecciate any and all help u can give me and gbu:)…(outsiders inside joke)
read the post on this site an interview with the NCPOG disproves the existence of mother god and read your blogs too. we are asking many questions but we can’t seem to get an answer.
The teachings of the movement mark it as, theologically, a cult of Christianity.
Sociologically the movement has cult-like elements as well.
Note the differences between theological- and sociological definitions of the term ‘cult.’
God would never lose a court case I don’t care who is presiding over it.
well you bring up a good point. why would “God” sue anyone? or better yet.. wouldn’t Zhang just call them and say “we’re going to lose, don’t bother”?
I’m absolutely thankful that you created this site. It’s just awesome.
thank you Andy. I hope it has been of some help to you.
I feel your pain. Keep on praying fro those who are under this trance because they don’t know Jesus Christ Jesus and God is divine no mere MAN CAN TAKE HIS PLACE. Happy to know that you saw the light and got out of the darkness. God Bless you always. Keep strong.
Hi Emily. If what you say is true I will be doomed but if what WMSCOG says st true you will be doomed. WMSCOG follows the teachings of JESUS, sabbath, passover etc as you know All these are the teachings of the bible which God commanded us to follow and the WMSCOG teaches us this. Now you tell, without following commands of God can I enter HEaven?
Hello janet and thank you for commenting. You need to press the reply button when commenting so that the person you are replying to receives a notification that someone has replied to their comment. Have you read the context around the studies you were taught in the WMSCOG? I’m guessing that you haven’t. Please read these articles here.
The bible is so vast you can make up all kinds of lies and stories that are not true. The WMS cannot even answer the questions about Sara and Isaac having children together mother and son. What makes you think itâs true have you ever studied anywhere else besides WMS or it your opinion one sided there side. Go study with 7th day advantace you will see same teachings as WMS same with their new songs there not new but many are taken from mainstream Christianity. Over all the years I was there all the other churches always said you sound like 7th day, Jehovah witness ets. So the WMS just claims each church keeps a part of godâs truth and it all came together in the WMSCOG. It’s a great way to hid the fact it was the WMSCOG who stole there teachings and changed many things from the other churches when Christianity came to Korea in 1948.korea has a history of worshiping there emperors as gods a man and woman. they now apply that old wourd thinking to the bible. North Korea one leader and he is worshiped as god. South Korea free society and there are many people making that claim. Look at their history and you will see itâs always been that way. Itâs not as the WMS claims because many false Crist would appear in the last days thatâs a lie to fit there teachings it’s always been that way. Look up there history and you will see it’s always been that way
follow the examlpe of crist which the WMC has failed to do and keep gods commands somthing the WMS has failed to do. Dont you see they have put aside the commands of God who is crist. there mother does not know when someone lies to her face how can she enforce or keep the truth if thats the case. Soloman and high prist had more ability than God in the flesh. How con the truth be keept if no one there has disernment to administer justice. Thingk harder about crist examlpe he had dissernment and always knew what people were thinking and going to do.
Hi, recent to this site, as well as a recent, EX-member. You had a great point about how WMSCOG can’t “administer” justice. Members have told me stories of members being yelled at, and told to leave by Overseers. Then the overseer tells the Congragation, “See they were never “true brother or sister because A man shouldnt be able to make you leave!”. I never understood that. How does God have mercy allowing an overseer to yell at members for non sinful acts (I saw my old Elder yell at a new member for sitting slumped over, called her, “ghetto!” and advised her to leave). ThereHow does God allow that.
Psalm 87
5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born there, and the same Almighty shall establish her.
Micah 4
1 BUT a place in the last days that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and exalted above the hills, and peoples will stream it.
2 And many nations shall go and say, and go up the hill of the LORD, and the house of the God of Jacob, he will teach us his ways, and walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and Jerusalem word of the LORD.
Hello Mauricio and thank you for commenting. Is there a point you wish to make by posting these isolated verses? If so, please re-post in the forum.
I am absolutely no fan of the WMSCOG, but this item really does no credit to your cause. It would seem that they had every valid reason to celebrate 25th Dec.last year as the birthday of Ahnsahnhong – it has nothing to do with celebrating 25th December in general.
If you or any true Christian were to investigate the history of celebrating Christmas and all the horrific rituals associated with this completely Pagan festival, there is no way that this is a time for celebration. The birth of Jesus would be justification for joy – yet we do not know when that was.
Hello Elizabeth and thank you for commenting. What “valid reason” did the WMSCOG have to celebrate Ahnsahnghong’s birthday on December 25th? You seem to be saying that Christians are celebrating pagan festivals on December 25th despite the fact that they are really celebrating the birth of Jesus. Yet you deny that the WMSCOG is doing the same thing by celebrating Ahnsahnghong’s birthday on December 25th. Christians can then use your same defense by stating that they are not celebrating pagan festivals on December 25th, but the birth of Jesus. The WMSCOG can say that they are not celebrating pagan festivals on December 25th because they are celebrating Ahnsahnghong’s birthday.
And you also say that despite Christians not knowing the exact date of Jesus’ birth, they celebrate it on December 25th. But the WMSCOG does know the date that Ahnsahnghong was born, and yet they choose to celebrate it on a different day. I heard the reason was because of the so called “sacred calendar” that they use to calculate all of their other dates. That means the date would have to be different next year, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they celebrated Ahnsahnghong’s birthday on December 25th from now on.
You are a complete dud.. it’s celebrated using the lunar calendar.. His birthday happened to fall on the same day as Christmas for the first time that is the reason.. wow just take down your site, it’s full of nonsense and u don’t even have any clue as to the bigger picture.. you just hate this organization because it’s flourishing when u think it should fall.. but let me just throw you Act 5:38..
Thank you G for commenting. Yes, Ahnsahnghong’s birthday fell on December 25th this past year. But don’t you think ZhangGilJah should have told your general pastor not to write what he wrote because 21 years later Ahn’s birthday would fall on that date? I guess your “god” wasn’t paying attention. Maybe this book will undergo some revisions too. A little presumptuous of you to think that Acts 5:38 applies to the World Mission Society Church of God. If a Jehovah’s Witness or a Mormon pointed to that verse and told you that they were the true church, would you believe them?
I watched most of your videos and stuff but see it never convinced me atall… Before criticizing the true church, Why don’t you prove Yourself true christian based on the Holy bible, rather than perishing man’s standards.
LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING, NO ONE WHO BELIEVES BIBLE ABSOLUTELY WILL NEVER BUY YOUR EVIL HUMAN IDEAS.
this year, the birth of Christ Ahnsahnghong, was last January. we use the sacred calendar…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion]
Just been to my first bible study today. And boy, the preacher and pastor/deacon (whoever they were) wanted me to be baptized. But something was telling me not to. Told them I had some reservations and didn’t want to be baptized on my first Bible study. Went home and spent 2 hours online and came across this.
To the writer of this blog, you have my prayers tonight and the times I pray. God has kept you strong for you have trusted in Him your life. He will never forsake you. We must realize that everything happens for a reason. And before something happens, God, the almighty God has already planned everything for us. It’s ALWAYS a blessing. And we sometimes forget to see that even hardships are blessings in disguise.
Commit to the Lord whatever you do and your plans will succeed. (I read this from the Bible and it has been engraved in my heart and spirit since).
Amen! Thank you GodIsGreat.
godisgreat want to go in and examine them. their doctrine has changed and they use a separation process on people in there message of salvation. Did you hear this when you studied? “you hear the words of god because you belong to God. And the reason other people don’t hear is because they belong to the devil.”
there is only one GOD,The One Lord Jesus Christ…Deut.6:4-9…1Cor.8:4-6,SOBEIT
How sad it is my soon to be x wife has forgotten how much one can sacrifice for somebody. she does not even know what happened to her. She whent through the seperation process of teaching and an implantation of ideas that she has heard repetitively. How it has become ones nature. I suppose that does not happen to all of us after 15 years I was an observer as the doctrine changed and became more controlling not to meantion things they said where to happen where not hapening. We where all moving tored the year 2012 something the church is now getting away from and when it got hear I realised it just getting started they are poised to go all over the wourld they want unquestioned dedication something normal in korean society. Im surprised the old members have forgotten what they learned at first. It was like faimily whene we came from sunlaned.I was telling people arouned me the old mebers who know more than there teaching now. You see they are being removed. there are many who I have said this to and thay are satanding where they are because we recongnize something fundamentally different now. we where even told 14400 where found and the time is at hand. Thay Insist on tithing as a sighn of faith its treated as a scall to judge you. Stop and you will see what im talking about. I no longer stayed for the day and I was singled out for excommunication and the leadership raised up frances and stated a smear campaigns to the congregation about me. Boy I will tell you what a four years it was. She made it easy for the pastor and koreans. I say that because they work as a team passing info to each other and intrducing it to the congregation to do its work and work it does. What they dont know I was watching them back and if I can get it down on papper to sort it all out as I grasp the phychological part to all this my mined will not stop its just how I work. I need to talk to anyone who can open up about it. Do you understaned the paterns and how they plainted thing on to your thingking. All you heard and see all you where told theres a patern. Its a pice of the puzzel and its something I want to see a little more clear. Pleas contact this site. OH and volunteers needded. There is much information to collect and I will direct you where to fined it.They know who I am and they have forwarded and pics and text arouned to members keeping an eye out for me it has become strange. To members I have become the face. WHAT THEY HOP IS THAT THIS JUST PETTERS OUT. Thats what has been happening the last several years as we talked to members who fell some time ago. Do you hear what I am saying to you dont let them stop you. you have love ones or freinds to take care of now. This is my story and by choice I will give it a face because my 2 boys are victims now being taught whoever does not come to church belongs to the devil this should not be in the mined of a child. And in the end the church may try to marry off frances because that has been the patern. I have seen this many times. My boy just ask here to talk to me in regards to comming over and she declined to speak also something he does not need to see. In church I am scorned and it was my wife who made something out of nothing was giving then what they could use. Anything I did work whatever got in her way of duties it was war and now divorce. I hop you come forward and stay strong.
Mwhole family , that is . my mum, dad and my two siblings are all devoted members of this cult. The have tried every trick written in the book to try and get me into the cult but to no avail. I have decided to stay away from them until they come back to their senses but at the same time feel isolated and lonely without them. I cant compromise my christian beliefs. To me ‘Mother’ and the whole system is js crap!
no name do you want help contact this site and I can help you. keep it to your self untill you have the info you need to help them ok
Hi Ed can you please get in contact with me I am in need of your help desperately regarding my son.
Thank you in advance for any help you can give me.
Hi Kristin. Go to the forum part of this site and make an account. Then private message me and I will contact you.
I desperately need help. My husband is a member and it has over taken our marriage and affecting me and my children.
He now wants nothing to do with me because I don’t believe his mother and father god
Earlier one of members of wmscog invite me on their service, I told him no thanks because I already heard enough all the stuff on their last service and i told him that I will never turn back on my on religion and beliefs,he keeps saying that devil is using humanity and all religions are evil which I disagree, and then he keeps texting about the scriptures which there is a lot of contradiction on it and I told him that not all human were being used by the devil and not all religion are evil and also I told him that God create us to have our own free will to change our beliefs but he is a little bit stubborn and still sending me some passages, I dont know if he is trying to control me because if he is its not really working because I believe our God the Father and our lord Jesus.
Hey whoever is running this site: when i click on the link to read http://www.ncpcog.com/book/bridegroom/bridegroom.html.
it is in Korean I think, how do u read it in english?
Jose, thanks for commenting. The NCPCOG tells us that they are in the process of having the books translated. These are the translations that we have so far here.
my daughter has recently started attending the WMSCOG and seems unfazed by my questions concerning how quickly she has rejected EVERYTHING she was taught while growing up. She is studying with the church and seems very meek, in contrast to her normal bubbly, almost sassy personality. How can I show her the truth?
B., thank you for commenting. I’ve also seen personality changes in my loved one. I would suggest reading the books suggested here. They should be provide guidance on how to communicate effectively with your daughter.
My boyfriend is part of WMSCOG and he’s really trying to convince me to come with him,and I have gone a few times and it doesn’t seem that bad but now that I’m reading all these stories I’m scared. I really like him but I do think know what to believe and he keeps telling me that this doubt is from Satan. What should I do?
Naomi, I am sorry to hear about your boyfriend. I am not surprised that he says that any doubts you have are “from Satan”. As you can see here in this article, this is what I was also taught when I was a member. You owe it to yourself to do your own research on this group. I hope that you find this site and the other resources suggested helpful.
This organisation nearly had me convinced in 10 minutes of meeting them that there was a Mother God and really pushed me into being baptised ASAP. No where in the Bible does it speak of a 4th God. Like most Cults they have translated the word wrong and they deceive many with their teachings, This is the works of the Antichrist Satan himself. Fortunately I never did follow them as Jesus showed me the truth. We have a friend who also got caught up with their web of lies and luckily God has slowly but surely got her free from their deception. I have learnt in my walk with God after being led away many times by false prophets and deceptive churches that I am safer at home for now watching Charles Stanley. I am growing spiritually and more grounded and feel happier. I will pray when I feel ready for the right church home but for now am happy doing what The Lord has instructed for me today. I pray that others are not deceived but this Entity.
I just lost my wife to this group … I am 19 years old… this is destroying me emotionally… idk who to talk to or what to do
Hurt, thank you for commenting. Please check your email for a reply.
This is great… so much useful information thank you so much… you are doing the world a favor by keeping this website running
December 25 WAS Ahnsanhghong’s birthday by the Chinese calendar (the one also used by Korea) and by the way we have celebrated it EVERY year based on that calendar if you care to know.
Your website is extremely informative and helpful. Two of my family members are apart of this church. How can I help them see the truth or better yet the deceiver in action. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
This is a good analysis.
I am glad to know this web-site and thank for admin.
This will help people to know who WMSCOG are.
Except this, there are numerous evidence about them and many things among them have not been clarified yet.
AnSangHong described himself as a “prophet” not “jejus” in his writting.
After his death, some of his followers called him “last comming jesus”.
WMSCOG is doing and insisting even different thing from their “religious reader”
Even we know that AnSangHong already denied God-mother in his writting.
Thank you for this. My family member is deeply involved and even went to Korea this past fall. since I am catholic he basically does not even acknowledge me. I am worried for him. What can I do to help him? Thank you.
Hi Dee,
Sorry to hear about your family member. I have sent you an e-mail to follow up.
I have been in the church for over a year. I’ve always had some doubts but kept them to myself. This website has helped me realize that I’m not the only one who felt something was wrong. I have often been “rebuked” and encouraged to change, which made me feel like I could never be “perfect” enough! I have devoted so much time and have avoided some family and friends because they were “persecuting” me and satan was using them to “kill my spirit”. So many members have been kicked out for being too “worldly”. I haven’t found a way out yet and I feel guilty posting this. I’m afraid to leave because I feel like I would be “hurting mother”. I’m a little scared to be honest! đ
same to me đ
I’m scared to because until now I keep attended them đ
hello, i feel the same right now…what did you end up doing?
But Mother now knows and there’s nothing to be scared of so leave because we are all dead according to their beliefs and nothing will never change this truth. Remember, Jerusalem from above she’s our Mother and no earthly creature can claim that she’s down here which is true blasphemy of the Holy Spirit…
My daughter is a member of this church within 3 weeks it was like “Invasion of the body snatchers” what’s worst is that my 5 year old grandson is being taught and brainwashed initially when she came to me she was very adamant and mean spirited because I could not wrap my mind around a “Mother God” and “Ahnsahnghong” she lives in my home so she does not mention it anymore nor do I this way we can live in a more peaceful environment. Any words or help would be appreaciated.
I sympathize with you completely. My loved one became involved with this church while oversease and after coming home he was a different person. The first 6 months were absolutely awful. We made an agreement not to get the kids involved because they weren’t ready and we needed to work things out between us first. All glory goes to God for protecting my precious darlings. My advice for you is to keep loving her as much as possible. This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. Get a copy of Steve Hassan’s book “Releasing the Bonds.” Educate yourself and try not to panic. Your daughter is going to lash out at you so try to remain patient, loving and logical. Also do things, have conversations that bring up her authentic self before she joined the group, her pre-cult self. Try not to argue scripture. From the very beginning this group tries to seperate the new recruit from his/her family and previous life. They instill predetermined answers to your questions and usually say that you need to come to her church and study more. Keep exploring this site and any of the links. Be strong in your faith and live your life as an example to your daughter. You can do this with a lot of love, prayers and patience. Remember you are not alone.
May Almighty God richly bless you. You have been a great wealth of knowledge to me.
Also, where’s the proof of the 1999 doomsday theory?
Isaac, read the court case.
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I’m someone who’s currently trying to decide one way or the other about this church. I was actually just glancing through that same collection article which I got a week or two ago. As for the comment on ” fate of those who had large and luxurious buildings,” maybe he was commenting on those who made them because the magazine does seem to boast in several places on how they preserve abandoned church buildings especially on the second page. “The architectural styles of the Church of God are diverse. It is because they take over the buildings of churches that have lost their congregation throughout the world, and use them for their worship places.” However I must admit that I found the main/head church to be too oddly gorgeous. I thought to myself that maybe they bought it as is. But then they showed me in the film the artificial waterfall built somewhere near it I think and I thought to myself what a waste of money.
As for the church size being large comment, the estimated world population is 7 billion. When you compare 1.45 million to that, that’s only 0.021% of the world’s population. However I’ll admit ignorance as to the relative size of large churches other than the catholic one, which I’d throw out as using that as any basis for determining a large or small church…after looking it up it would seem they’d be in top 100 or close to it. He must be going on a world scale or something.
Actually you just said the reason I was going to give. I was told that because of the 360 days (least I think that’s the amount of days) a year calendar that it ironically just so happened to fall on December 25th this year. I think he meant every year because if one goes by that calendar it’ll eventually fall on every day of the year after enough time has passed. I think that it should fall on about the 21st this year based on that…or maybe the 20th since this is a leap year. However we’ll see what happens this year.
Hmm I thought they celebrated 30 day months and thus have 360 day years. Even when applying that rule to the 2005 example, they’re still 32 days sort of the 7th month. Sorry to sound like a broken record. I like numbers.
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Here’s a thought. In the end times there will be a great falling away of the things of God. This church proudly boasts that their church is growing while every other church is losing members. By their own admission they are not a church which has the favor of God.
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for all of you i pray one day you will be blessed by god with hearing and understanding and sight for you are all blind. matthew 22:29…
and we pray also for you that when you realize there is no mother god, that you will return to Jesus Christ, who has loved you since before you were formed.
Such a statement contradicts not preexisting our, flesh
not necessarily
Second coming Christ will not be Jesus according to his own words đ
Where did you get this idea from?
I used to go to this church but stop going after they try to convince me that god came and died already and for me thats bull . Anyway after doing some research i find out that they are nothing but one more fake church makin alot of money. I just hope to gather some prof so i can get the people that i got into that church out.
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I just pray God helps me get my friends out of this đ
That is my constant prayer as well.
Hi,
My mum has been attending this church for the past few months. I think though I have started to get through to her by relaying the information I have found on your site so thank you. My mum was also beginning to have her own doubts but this website has given much clarity.
I just want to add that they (or should I say her recruiter) have been calling her and coming around constantly, and I feel like they have preyed on my mother as she is fairly unwell and emotionally unstable. There have been times when they have knocked on the door when for 1 hour, non stop, I am not exaggerating. My Mum took this as a warning sign, this behaviour didn’t seem normal. What was more concerning was that 2 hours after this incident their car was still parked in our street. Could this have been them monitoring my mums activity? There have been other instances where my mum has not attended the Tuesday service and her recruiters car drove past and parked at the street adjacent to ours and have been there for a few hours!!! They didn’t come to the door, but I felt like they where again watching what was going on at our home? Am I just being overly concerned or is this a common thing that occurs with this organisation?
I knew something was wrong with this organisation as soon as my mother said she wasn’t given access to their bible at church, she was told she wasn’t allowed to read it yet. The whole thing worries me.
You are right to be concerned. This group is one to be wary of. Please try your best to keep your Mum away from them. If you suspect someone stalking your house, call the police. If you engage them, be polite, respectful, and strong. It is this group’s practice to constantly bombard new recruits and its members with visits, phone calls, emails, etc. I would be a red flag for me if a church group told me that I wasn’t allowed to read the Bible. It has been reported that this church tells members that they are not capable of reading the Bible on their own. They require that you study in groups so that they can tell you their interpretations in the lessons. They take scriptures out of context and piece them together to make their own conclusions. Your instincts are correct. Follow them.
I absolutely agree with you. I have been very perplexed about the logical thought process behind the WMSCOG’s teachings. As I have gone through the teachings and read the sermon books, my mind literally swims with confusion. I have been reasearching Validity and Argument online, and would agree that the ad-hominem and non-sequitur logical fallacies are right in line with the lesson structure. A seemingly valid conclusion can be arrived with invalid components.
Is it wrong to wear a veil? If I was to attend another church would it be strange to be the only one wearing a veil? I was just wondering because I always liked wearing the veil while in the WMSCOG. I still don’t feel right praying without it.
hi there NotSoLostAnymore,
no, it is not wrong to wear a veil, it just does not appear to be required based on the text above.
If you are coming out of the WMSCOG then it will take baby steps to find your new way. If you are attendiing another church and you feel it in your heart to cover your head, then do it. It is not for anyone else to judge. Keep praying for the Holy Spirit to guide you. Remember that Jesus’ death made it possible for us to have an intimate relationship with Him. Strive to discover God’s Grace. It is so amazing and is in EVERYTHING! The indwelling of the Holy Spirit will give you authority, not a piece of lace. Good luck with your new journey and remember that you are never alone.
no es un comentario es una realidad hace un año precisamente en junio 2011 mi hijo que se encuentra en España fue abordado por una hermana que le hablo justamente de la Iglesia de Dios Sociedad Misionera Mundial y se bautizo en menos de una hora ,me llamo para decirme que se habĂa bautizado y que no me molestara y le conteste que si esa era su decisiĂłn yo no podĂa hacer nada ni decir nada , en Junio del 2011 renuncio a su trabajo por ir a ver en persona a Dios Madre Jerusalen, en Corea, pero le han hecho tal lavado de cerebro los hermanos que estĂĄn a su alrededor que el no se da cuenta de nada, mañana tarde y noche tiene que estar en la iglesia los hermanos que son mayores que mi hijo han hecho de Ă©l un muñeco de trapo que lo dominan a su antojo ,lo envĂan hacer cualquier trabajo y el lo hace sin chistar dice que es la decisiĂłn de madre, no quiso estudiar y aĂșn no consigue un trabajo por que supuestamente para el, Dios Madre tiene una misiĂłn especial que yo no se cual sera , la verdad de todo ha pasado ya un año y el no consigue trabajo no quiere estudiar y el fue con esa finalidad ya que tiene 24 años , esta separado de la familia y sobre todo de su hermano de sangre que vive allĂĄ tambiĂ©n , comenzĂł el a hablarme de la iglesia y un dĂa decidimos mi hija y yo bautizarnos pero con el pacto de que el estudiara y procurara encontrar nuevamente trabajo , porque mi preocupaciĂłn era que no tuviera sus alimentos y mas que eso que no tuviera donde cobijarse sobre todo en un paĂs extraño donde nadie que a uno no le conozca da la mano , el pacto que hicimos se le olvido y me dijo que lo que el querĂa hacer era viajar por todo el mundo predicando y decir que el mundo se va a acabar y que tenĂamos que creer que esta era la iglesia verdadera, y yo le dije y el pacto que hicimos de que tendrĂas que estudiar y buscar un trabajo me dijo que como el mundo ya se iba a acabar habĂa que salvar nuestra alma para Dios Ahnsahnghong.y Madre Celestial, pasaron unos meses y comencĂ© a visitar la iglesia con mi hija me preocupe que tenĂamos que entrar descalzas a la iglesia y que los hombre y las mujeres se tenĂan que sentar separados dos hileras de bancas para mujeres y dos hileras de bancas para hombres, a mi casa venĂan las hermanas para que podamos comprender la biblia y supuesta mente a querer hacernos un lavado de cerebro a mi hija y a mi pero esto no paso por que yo comencĂ© a hacerles preguntas del porque de tener que entrar a la iglesia descalzas y tener que sentarnos separados de los hermanos y una hermana me dijo que si no sentĂĄbamos juntos podĂan haber insinuaciones de los hermanos a las hermanas y por ultimo me dijo una cosa garrafal que podĂamos salir embarazadas yo me reĂ y le dije hermana no sea escasa de mente como se le ocurre decir eso y me dijo un montĂłn de tonterĂas que en lugar de acercarme a la iglesia hacia que yo me alejara mas y mas , mi hija se retiro por la mentira de su hermano de que iba a estudiar y trabajar a la vez. yo continuo asistiendo porque tengo que descubrir algo como ya lo he notado para hacerle abrir los ojos a mi hijo ,porque en realidad tengo pena por mi hijo que es joven y que su mente se la han idiotizado por completo , les cuento me llamo para decirme que le habĂan encomendado la tarea de construir el templo con otros hermanos y yo le dije que el mundo no se va a acabar mañana para que quieren construir otro templo y el me dijo que Madre les habĂa encomendado esa labor, termino de construir el templo y le pregunte cuando comienzas a trabajar es que el trabajo que el desea es un trabajo donde no tenga que asistir el sĂĄbado porque el quiere estar todo el dĂa en la iglesia. Lo Ășnico que se es que nadie ha querido darme la direcciĂłn de la iglesia de Dios en Madrid porque me gustarĂa enviarle una carta al Pastor que esta allĂĄ porque yo por mi cuenta le enviado una nota a Dios Madre diciĂ©ndole que abogue por mi hijo para que este consiga un trabajo o estudie una carrera corta para que se pueda defender en la vida pero lo que si tengo claro es que Madre esta tan ocupada en todo lo que ella preside que no tiene tiempo para escuchar suplicas y tambiĂ©n le pongo que tengo pena de no saber el coreano para que ella me pueda entenderme, aunque usted siendo Madre deberĂa saber todos los idiomas ya que estoy preocupada por mi hijo y que necesito que este pronto vea las cosas claras para que consiga un trabajo. le comente esto a una Diaconisa y a otra hermana y me dijeron que estaba blasfemando contra Madre. lo Ășnico que se es que si entre en esta iglesia fue porque mi hijo me prometiĂł que iba a trabajar y estudiar al no cumplir el la promesa hizo que todo en mi acerca de esta iglesia se derrumbara y que no tuviera la fe suficiente para seguir asistiendo ,ademas son las ideas , las costumbres y las tradiciones mas coreanas que latinas las que prevalecen en esta iglesia, como para pertenecer a los 144,000 que van a ascender al cielo tiene que recolectar a 10 personas para que puedan subir al reino de los cielos,si no llevan a 10 talentos no has cumplido con tu misiĂłn para poder ascender al reino de los cielos , estar a tiempo completo en la iglesia y olvidarse que muchos tienen obligaciones que cumplir en esta tierra , hacer la separaciĂłn de hermanos y hermanas a la hora del culto o del dĂa de reposo o hasta en los estudios bĂblicos como si el hecho de estar juntos tanto hombres como mujeres fuera un pecado o algo abominable, a las Diaconisas las toman como sus obreras tienen que cuidar a los hijos de las otras hermanas mientras ellas escuchan la misa , o preparar alimentos para los zĂĄnganos que no pueden ir a su casa a almorzar ,desayunar porque en la iglesia tienen todo esto para seguir adoctrinando o envolviĂ©ndolos en una telaraña mas grande de la que no puedan zafarse . Lo Ășnico que espero es que antes de que mi hijo se envejezca y tal vez lo voten porque ya no tenga fuerza para conseguir mas talentos para Madre se de cuenta a tiempo si hay alguien que me pueda ayudar a convencerlo de que si existe un Dios pero que este Dios si nos ha puesto en este mundo es para crecer espiritual y personal, tener una familia hijos que saquemos adelante.
The Bible says in very broad terms about the male and female aspects of the Creator and does NOT specifically imply Ahnsahnghong and Zahng Gil Jah as there are NO verses and statements pertaining divine mother and father being born in Korea.
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Preaching about the Passover & celebrating the Passover are two completely different activities. One can tell someone about something & not participate in the act. Also, one can participate in an act without telling someone else. As I understand it to be, Ahnsahnghong-nim preached about the Passover since baptism but did not keep the Passover until 1964. Let us think about Jesus. The Scripture says He was 30 when He began His ministry. However, it is only recorded that Jesus kept the Passover once, the night before His crucifixion. But when we look into the Scripture, we see that Jesus died 3 years after He began His ministry. The Early Church of God was not established until the Passover was kept very similar to WMSCOG. Even though the Early Church wasn’t established until the Passover, does that mean Jesus did not begin His ministry at 30? Does it mean He began His ministry the night before He was crucified? No, because Jesus said after His resurrection to teach everyone everything He taught the Apostles from which He began teaching, from His baptism.
Serious questions: Is preaching & participating the same thing? When did Jesus begin His ministry? When was the Early Church of God established in relation to His baptism?
Added note… The date of Ahnsahnghong’s death suggest He was just over 36 when He died. I may have done the math wrong but correct me if I did.
Renita,
If I am correct, the WMSCOG preaches that without celebrating the Passover a person cannot have eternal life and is spiritually dead. So you believe that Ahnsahnghong preached about the Passover but did not celebrate it with any of his followers? He just let them walk around spiritually dead and without salvation? That just doesn’t make sense. And FYI Ahnsahnghong was born on December 1, 1918 and died on February 24, 1985. That would make him 66 years old when he died.
The point is, Jesus was 30 when He began His ministry. However, Jesus kept the Passover the night before His crucifixion, 3 years after His ministry. Does it also mean He just let His disciples walk around spiritually dead and without salvation? That just doesnât make sense also.
You don’t know what you are talking about. FYI Christ Ahnsahnghong celebrated the Passover in 1962. So, everything you insists, sad to say, are all wrong.
Do your assignment! You are paid for this right? Come on you could do better than this. đ
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So even Ahn Sang Hong’s writings, considered sacred, can be altered or retrofitted to fit the evolving theology of the church! Although this reveals intentional deceit of church members, it does not surprise me from everything else I have heard about how they handle what they present as the “truth.”
thanks for this info. One of my family member are in this and how do I get her to see that this is all a lie..how can I open he eyes?.
Saturday Service Three times & Tuesday Evening & every day Preaching & weekly meeting.
I have noticed that in some of the books, words have been altered. I’ve only been going to Zion for 2 years, so naturally I bought the books provided. But when I needed another copy, I saw some words were taken out or rearranged which sparked my curiosity. If the book was already translated, why are the words changing? I didn’t see anything as grand as removing 2nd Coming to His coming. The 2 are extremely different.
Yes! I remember during the feast the members that have been in “Zion” for longer time will have different versions of the books. Once I forgot mine and they borowed me one of the previous versions and it was totally different from what they were reading in the services. If you never been there and you wonder what do they do at 5am and 7pm services during their feast, they actually pick one of these books and read it in service and everyone else follow the leader quietly.
The wmscog always told us that ASH started thre thrird day service for thoes who could not make the first and second service so that would mean the people who make thoes two dont need to go so why do they and why do they thith during the third service? Also the NCPCOG does not keep a third service so how is it then ASDH taught that if it is not being kept by the NCPCOG. Im shure its just another lie about what ASH taught. Just more lie right?
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Oh dear, removing the WMS members or anyone who opposes so that the person writing the article can “maintain” credibility. Note: Counterarguments are important in any discussion. Period.
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Jonah is the explanation of the early rain which WMS claims to represent 1988. The WMS claims it did not take place because Jonahâs preaching that the end is coming to the city because of the peopleâs sins and that they then repented so God did not destroy the city. The later rain which was taught as 2012 because God gave more time. Itâs all BS I have heard the underlining message for 14 years and at this point it makes me sick. In 1999 to 2000 the church message was about the world going through all kinds of trouble because computers where not designed to switch over for 2000 and how it could cause all kinds of global trouble including nucular countdowns,banking and finantual and that list went on and on. The WMS even showed us a 30 min film which was to scare the hell out of you explaining all that could happen including nuclear explosions it was a crazy film which had us all packing emergency supplies and backpacks. I still have mine. When nothing happened the church claimed mother just wanted to see who had faith by observing who prepared there emergency supplies. The church even gave $500 dollars to some members so they could prepare not feeling left out. At that time there where only around 30 American members in Los Angeles church and we had just moved to Sunland CA. This negative message about the end taking place sometime soon is used as a motivator to control ones actions through their faith and the hope of salvation and fear of hell and that date or time is continually being moved around as seen through peoples stories within the WMS. My x wife who is still in the church taught to all her friends and family the message of 2012 and now she claims she did not teach that, but she did through many different teachings including the 2300 days and nights another teaching that has changed. Her family can testify to this fact. When I confronted her with this she said well sometime soon it will tack place maybe in the next ten years I even hear the WMS said atonement day now lol. With this message of the end coming soon which is a joke on all there members I have watched as kids have dropped out of high school, collage, quit their jobs and people Simi retired and stopped planning for any future something I went through myself. As I explained to my x wife 14 years in church and now 2012 has been moved out another 10 years thatâs not soon itâs a third of my life if I make it to the age of 75 how is that soon. Whoever reads this donât be a fool work hard and enjoy growing old and good luck I will talk more about their message later.
There is a difference between a false prophet, and the mercy of God. [this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
God bless you! I love to debate & I believe that many Brothers & Sisters say I am a strong gospel working because I debate so strongly. Well, see you in the forums. God bless you! =)
Wow, this is crazy! Can’t wait to see what will happen at the end of this year.
I always found it odd that ASH never referred to himself as Second Coming Christ. It was just assumed because â he brought back the Passoverâ, or atleast that’s what I was told. I could never push myself to believe in him as God 100% …it never felt right.
I would like to comment from a Christian perspective: One thing we all should be aware of is that, in all so caled churches, there is a degree of indoctrination involved, where church leaders incorporate their own teachings as make it look like it comes from the Bible. So, it’s a matter of one checking everything. I don’t know much about WMSCOG, but judging by the comments from those with first hand experience, I sense that this is not a Christian religion per se but one one of the pagan religions.
My advice is, especially those that consider themselves Christian, to check everything against the Bible,(off course starting with themselves) to make sure that they themselves are on the right path before attempting to correct family members who might be misled somewhere. Otherwise, how do we save others when we ourselves are lost in the first place?
My approach would be to make sure that my family and I stand on a firm Biblical foundation (by studying and living by the Word)so that it won’t b easy to be carried away by false teachers roaming around. For example, [group names removed by admin] has succesfully infiltrated Protestant, Charismatic and Apostolic churches, working from within, to get them back to the same errors, deception and indoctrination taught by early church “Fathers”. So, who can accuse who for being deceived??
I would appreciate if someone could clarify whether or not this organisation is Christian?
they dont even consider themselves as Christians but a new world religion
Maybe when he says the small church he means the Church of God’s Members against all conventional churches and catholic churches on a global scale?
If that were true then any church with less members than the WMSCOG, is the true church. Joo Cheol Kim’s entire reasoning is flawed.
que pena me dan los que dejan estos comentarios y lo que se explica en esta pagina; se puede ver y sentir cunta ira tienen a la WMSCOG, estan llenos de envidia y celos.. pero solo les digo que no es un solo reconocimiento que han recibido, sino muchos premios grandes y pequeños, comensando con la medalla precidencial, otorgado por el mismo precidentye de corea del sur, y en todo el mundo
English translation:
how sad I feel for those who leave these comments and what is explained on this page, you can see and feel the “cunta ira” they have toward the WMSCOG, they are full of envy and jealousy .. but all I can say is that they have not just received a single recognition they have received many awards, large and small, beginning with a presidential medal, awarded by the very president of South Korea, and around the world
Are you serious? You think that those two writings are different? [comment moved by admin to forum for further discussion]
Bible also says let the world see your good deeds.
Matthew 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
So once again the Bible says differently than what you think it says. you are in error because you do not know the scriputres or the power of God.
Hello John and thank you for commenting. Yes the Bible says to let the world see your deeds but it also says not to announce your deeds with trumpets.
Matthew 6:1 âBe careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 âSo when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
It seems that you are the one in error.
Good deeds and charity concerning money is 2 different things. Pls understand why God says we shouldn’t reveal how much we give to the needy becoz many ppl would come to the church for the wrong reasons thinking that the church can support them monetarily and not for God. Good deeds and volunteer services is different, as what John quoted is correct, we need to let our deeds shine before men, if not how can we show a good example to others and allow people to understand God’s love thru our sacrifices and deeds?. This is an example of a true God’s children.
The “church” teaches that the light is the Gospel. So.. shining your light before men (testifying to and preaching the Gospel) is definitely considered a good deed and would bring them to praise the Father in heaven.
But of course a member will say in that verse light doesn’t mean the Truth. Right.. Right..
Amilkar 06/21/2012 Yes I aks one day “mother god ” represents our “spirtual” mother ???? Tying to understand were all this came from ? The Deacon told me NO SHE IS GOD…… and every body in the church understand it this was SHE IS GOD. These first and second they want all your time for them I was really tire and scare then I did not came back to the church,every time I ask something they will tell you NO you need to study more, you are like a child you need small amount of food FIRST. They interpret the bible ther own way, to match their believes. I am so sad because my wife of thirty years both of us Medical doctors in our country and now RN/BSN given our work to our community, to help people sick, WE are been decive… Thanks Help Question do you think that Hassan book will help me how about her if she dosen”t read it ??? I do not read thei books because of the same reason Thanks again…
I am part of this church and got baptized on last saturday but somehow i dont feel comfortable and reading these comments are making some sense to me and i dont know what is going on anymore feels like i am loosing my mind
Hello Ronelle and thanks for commenting. Your situation sounds very familiar unfortunately. Please continue to do your research and spend some time away from the group so that you can have the opportunity to really think things through. Follow your intuition.
hello Admin
I spoke with my sister in regards to them celebrating Ahnsahnghong birthday on the 25th xmas. She said is because they dont want people to celebrate xmas due to the pagan traditions and they trying to stir people away from celebrating xmas
So i said they contradict themself because firstly when i was there and they showed me the clip of xmas they said that no where in the bible does it say that Jesusâs birthday was celebrated.
I regret getting baptized because these people really dont know
I get so upset when they talk about how we were angels and got kicked out of heaven due to something evil we did ! where in the bible does it say that
Please admin show me where.
And this guy Ahnsahnghong he never proclaimed himself to be god right? or am i wrong?
I dont get the deal with this guy when i ask my sister why they say he is the second coming Christ she says because they give hidden scriptures in the bible of how he would look
Is this true? And not everyone will know because its only for the chosen ones that will know who he is.
Well Ronelle the Bible does NOT say that we were angles before and you can read more about that here.
You are correct. Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be “god” and you can read more about that here.
As far as your sister’s claim that “they give hidden scriptures in the bible of how he would look”, I’ve never heard that one before but maybe reading this will help.
Here are other articles that explain additional WMSCOG Biblical Misinterpretations.
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The WMS/COG says that he wrote of his Messiah-hood 4 years before the end of his ministry (Religious Weekly Newspaper):–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIfpCFdr5oA&feature=plcp
. . . Edition of March 18, 1981
Ahnsahnghong was born on December 1, 1918. He turned 30 on December 1, 1948 and died on February 25, 1985. So he only “preached” for 36 years and roughly 10 months. So even if his “prophecy” was correct, and it isn’t for many other reasons, Ahnsahnghong did not fulfill it. He died almost a year too early.
I am very concerned about how these people twist the bible verses. They put the fear of not receiving salvation and following satan into their members. I have three family members that attend “bible study”. It is consuming them. They tried to get me to join – and I resisted and still resist. Their members are told everything that is in direct opposition to their teachings is a “lie”especially the internet. I want my relatives to research the “lessons” and find out what is really true. Can you help?
Hello patrice and thank you for commenting. I am sorry to hear about your family members. In the Biblical Misinterpretations section of this website you will find examples of the scripture twisting practiced by the WMSCOG. Hope this helps.
Very useful information – they are still going strong and door knocking – in this case with a questionnaire. Made me think they were students doing study research, not the cult members they are trying to recruit. Leaves a bad taste when you realise they truth, especially when you were just trying to be helpful. But as mentioned it does clearly illustrate the danger of hopping from verse to verse without taking them in full context.
wow this is exactly the way i see it too!
I dont really understand this thing, please explain it to me.
The bottom line is that Ahnsahnghong did not believe in a “mother god”. Click here to read the book that he wrote and you may be able to understand this a little bit better.
Im with you on this one. However, it seems to me like the writer or should I say administration of the page do not fully understand what they alone are reading. I read about this suit previously and just checked back to see if there were any updates on it. All I’m seeing is a second former member also suing WMSCOG. To each their own. All I can say is that there is a Creator God, that being Elohim. And whether one believes or shall I say follow their “Church” of choice…judgement will be delivered in by the hand of the same God. There is only one. Faith and deeds are judged on a solo bases. And at the end of the day, God has the final say so…like if either of the ladies win their cases, that’s God’s work. But so is vengeance.
HOLA saludos desde PerĂș, quisiera que pudieran ayudar porque actualmente mi esposa esta asistiendo a los cultos de esa iglesia hasta incluso se ha bautizado en ella, bueno eso paso en el tiempo en el que estĂĄbamos distanciados, el punto es que ella quiere bautizar a mi hija en esa religiĂłn y a pesar de que le he prohibido que asista ahĂ, ella se va a escondidas sin que yo sepa. Y la verdad es que me tiene desesperado y no se que hacer por mas que le hablo no me cree es por eso que acudo a ustedes a ver si me pueden hachar un mano para mi problema gracias.
Hola Pedro,
Por favor visite esta pågina web para ayuda en español.
We are close friends with a young couple.
They made the mistake of opening their door to these people. Now the wife is trapped in their net and completely brain washed by their publication “Evidence”
The family is tearing apart even as we speak.
Would appreciate any resource you can send me to reverse the situation.
Hi EN,
Sorry to hear about the young couple. You might show them that Ahn never believed in a mother god, or pictures of him with his real church the NCPCOG, or his handwritten notes that the NCPCOG has, but the WMS does not. If you translate those, I don’t think you’ll be finding much about a mother god.
I would welcome any suggestions to bring my child out as well.
How is this happening? It has to be more than about serving truth? My daughter has nothing in terms of finances?
Hello RJ and thank you for commenting. Please consider posting your question to the forum as you will likely get more replies there.
RJ, right now your daughter has been ensnared by teachings that are designed by this group in order to separate her from her family and friends. During the first teachings I’m sure that she was told something like, “Your family and friends are not going to understand what you have learned. It’s because the truth is not in them. You are one of us and they are being lead astray by Satan. They will try to take the truth away from you and try to convince you away from the truth.” By labeling their doctrine the “Truth” it makes everything else something other than the truth. As you have already read in this website this group twist the Word of God to suit their doctrine. Right now don’t dispute scriptures with her. Instead, keep reminding her about how much her family loves her. This group will replace the family if they can. They will try to convince her that they are her spiritual family and that they are more important than her physical family. Try not to give her a reason to feel rejected. This will only push her further into this cult. Keep reminding her about all of the good times and her good friends from before she joined this group. The more positive things you can remind her of the better. Make it so that the cult cannot compete in the love department.
T.H. you are so correct! That is exactly the “Truth” as she has been conditioned to feel/think. I wish I understood this particular group’s motives…
T.H. I appreciate your MUCH NEEDED gifted & compassionate response.
So of this is all true when was mother born
ZhangGilJah is estimated to have been born in the early 1940s.
What I want tO know is when was heavenly mother supposably born
ZhangGilJah is estimated to have been born in the early 1940s.
INTERESTING, IN THIS ARTICLE THIS SUPPOSED HUSBAND SAID AHN CALLED ZAHNG JIL JA HIS BRIDE… BUT IN ANOTHER ARTICLE ON THIS WEBSITE IN THE BOOK PROBLEMS WITH NEW JERUSALEM AND WOMENS VIELS AHN SAYS BRIDE IS A LITERAL CITY THAT WILL COME OUT OF HEAVEN. HMMM… WHICH IS TRUE?
Hello Explained Titan and thank you for commenting. Ahn may have called Zhang his bride, but in the book you are referring to, he was speaking of the meaning of the “bride” in the Biblical context. These are two different things. This article, nor the book you are referring to, support the idea that Zhang was a “mother god”.
I know right? His coming obviously means his second coming… did these people graduate???
g, if the meaning of “second coming” is the same as just saying his “coming” then why did your church change it in the first place? There would be no reason to omit your “god’s” word. Think about it.
good point .. y even change it??? idk if u go to wmscog like i have for about three years, go read the translated copy of
âProblems With New Jerusalem, The Bride, and Womenâs Veilsâ chap 16 was a heart breaker. ASH said the new jerusalem would appear 1000 yrs after the end. IF YOU STIL GO TO THAT CHURCH PLEASE READ THAT CHAPTER…Ive been there for 3 yrs i love all the members, it just sucks to be lied to..
i think it is important to note that the church believes that the feast of u.b is one day in the NT according to MArk 2:19-20. so that would change the calculations a bit thought the result would still show Paul didnt keep the sabbath and also FF. BUt this is my delimma, at that time i believe Paul was under the Julian calendar, which means though we calculated from the basic Jewish calendar the day might be different as it is for us now. with out knowing those calculations from the Julian Calendar we cannot know the exact days of pauls trip and celebration of the feast. i hope that makes since. Pls respond and let me know what u think.
Hello Explained Titan,
Like you said, the days of the week would not be affected so the calculations would still show that Paul did not keep the Feast of Firstfruits. Besides, the World Mission Society Church of God uses the “sacred calendar” to calculate the dates of their “feasts” despite the fact that the rest of society follows the Gregorian Calendar. I hope this helps. I would suggest starting a thread in the forum so that others can contribute to this topic.
The way I understand it is the Feast of UL bread only 1 day long. However, it doesn’t disrupt the calculation because the Feast of First Fruits is always on the 1st day following the 1st Sabbath after PO.
Let’s say today, 2/11 is PO. 2/12 is the Feast of UL. 2/16 is the Feast of FF.
Let’s say 2/13 is PO. 2/14 is the Feast of UL. 2/16 is the Feast of FF.
My question lies.. How do you know the PO Paul supposedly kept was on a Saturday? I’m genuinely confused.
wow thanks for this. ive been going on and off for almost three years. tough thing to find out u been worshiping a korean lady….
so God wants 15 million for pain and suffering????
wow so the end was supposed to some in 2004? or wait 1988? no no no 2012… :/ i remeber we used to criticize the jehovah witness cause of them saying the end would come but didnt… idk, sad story
Let us all pray that the tables will turn into this site’s favor. This site is only establishing facts and testimonies, and is being silenced because of it. Only a false religion will try to silence those who are opposed to it.
I have read all the whole thing and frankly I am extremely touched…[comment moved to the forum]
I have recently been baptized into the Church of God, myself my husband and my 2 kids, at the moment i have been going to Bible study sessions where my husband and i study together with the Pastor. I have not been taught about Ahn Sung Hong so im not quite sure what to think, i have asked them who the Father and Mother is but they said that is another lesson me and my husband will learn together. I was really happy to join this church because we study straight from the Bible but im quite shocked to have found this website and im also really not sure about who this ahn sung hong is that they keep mentioning in prayer, i thought he was just founder of there church but now im hearing he is the 2nd coming Christ and im very confused now, i dont know what to do. Someone please help me, the day i became a born again Christian i asked God to help me with my journey and the next day the WMSCOG showed up at my door wanting to teach and help me, i thought it was a sign from God or something cos it was so coincidental now im just not so sure if they were sent as a sign to help me or a test to overcome false teachings from people. Please help, im very confused and so lost.
hi Laykit,
i am very sorry to hear that you were not better informed about who Ahn Sahng-Hong is. He was a Korean man who split off from the SDA movement to form his own flavor of church. He never claimed to be Jesus, but the WMS claims he was. The WMS themselves are a split off of the NCPCOG ( http://www.ncpcog.co.kr ). The âmotherâ is a Korean woman named Zahng Gil Jah. This sort of new religion seems very common in Korea. I am sorry you have been misled by these false prophets.
The Lord is so good that He brings great good out of bad. While this religion is blasphemous to Our Lord Jesus Christ, you can certainly return to Him, ask His forgiveness, and use this experience to seek more closely after the truth of His church.
I’m so sorry that you’re so lost and confused. Keep reading the Gospels and saying simple prayers, for God to show you who He is….I don’t want to overwhelm you with information, but for now here is a Christian encyclopedia that discusses God and who He is http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm
If you have any other questions I would be happy to answer them. I am a Catholic Christian.
Laykit,
I have only just begun studying about this group as I have begun to encounter its members. I, too, am Christian. Scripture is essential, but I would remind you that even the devil quotes scripture (as he does in Luke 4 referencing the Psalms while he tempts Jesus). Quoting scripture, as this group does, does not necessarily mean they are of God. They take many, if not all, verses they use COMPLETELY out of context. I encourage you to do some study on your own, without their influence. Read the context of the scriptures they are quoting, and you will see what the scripture is actually saying.
Always remember, the scriptures teach us that Jesus comes to free, not to bind. Sure we have rules we should abide by (just like children do from their parents), but He will always allow us to make that choice freely. A group which leads by fear, force or manipulation/deception is not of God. And that includes any group that is not willing to share with you their true teaching before you commit.
I can only imagine what a trying time this is for you! I will keep you in my prayer!
God Bless
Ok in the bible Romans 6:9
Knowing that christ, has been raised from the dead, is never to die again, death no longer is master over him.(NASB)
For we know that since christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longerhace mastery over him. (NIV)
Notice that “is never to die again” and “cannot die again” , it shows that the second coming of Christ will not die again. But what happened Ahn Sung Hong died. HE DIED, THEREFORE HE IS NOT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.
I have a friend stuck in WMSCOG and was brained washed. She told us about the second coming of Christ and me and my group of friends went to find out more. And we read the bible and we came across Romans 6:9 and there it is we got our answer.
this verse is hard because in revelation it says there is a second death. they say the death in Romans 6:9 is the spiritual death (2nd death) in Revelation. They say Christ’s spirit cannot die. Read the paragraph it is talking about His resurrection. Saying if God’s people die their spirit will not die. So I really want to leave the church but they have such good explanations for everything.
please study in our church
church of God
believe in the bible not with the person
Father and Mother is our God
If you really studied the Bible you would NOT be studying in this group! You also would NOT be asking other to do so! Please read the Bible outside of the influence and direction of the WMS. View it with new eyes and read what it REALLY says and the context which it is speaking about. You will find that most of the WMS teachings don’t stand up when compared to Gods Word. When the contradictions become apparent, throw that WMS teaching into the garbage. That is where it belongs if it does not measure up to the Word of God.
Wish i’d read this back in April. Got baptised right before Passover. My daughter got baptised too, soon after. She was so excited at first. We were not told about AhnSahngHong or Mother until a while after we joined. We sorta had to figure it out on our own. We just thought A.S.H. was another name for Christ in Korea. I couldnt even get the full name of the church out of anyone, so i couldnt check it out online. We were told in a sermon not to go to the Saggices to learn about the Pharises, or the Dallas Cowboys to learn about the Redskins. Of course theyre going to say bad things, theyre enemies. So, i didn’t look. 2 days ago i thought i was amazed by the truths taught to me in the bible, but then i decided to see what the internet said. Holy Guacamole! I talked to my daughter tonight. She was very confused and this website helped me explain to her. I read some parts to her from it. She isnt as upset as i am. She hasn’t spent 6 day weeks in church learning to teach false bible studies. I wanted an Apostolic Age church. I thought the modern church had really gotten away from Christs teachings. This answered my need. Now where do i go? I still wish to keep biblical Sabbath and participate in the new covenant of Passover.
hi too sad,
I am very sorry to hear about your experience. i am also sorry that you were not better informed about who Ahn Sahng-Hong is. He was a Korean man who split off from the SDA movement to form his own flavor of church. He never claimed to be Jesus, but the WMS claims he was. The WMS themselves are a split off of the NCPCOG ( http://www.ncpcog.co.kr ). The “mother” is a Korean woman named Zahng Gil Jah. This sort of new religion seems very common in Korea. I am sorry you have been misled.
The biblical Sabbath was only ever binding on the Israelites along with all of the other laws (you can not keep only the Sabbath and forgoe the other precepts, such as stoning adulterers). the good news is that we are no longer under the Law, as Christ fulfilled our debt on the cross. Have no fear attending church on Sunday. It is the Lord’s day. For more info:
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/did-constantine-abolish-the-sabbath/
I don’t get it, if Ahn-suhng-hong NEVER claimed to be Christ then why does the
WMSCOG believe that he is? Why do they think Zhang Gil Jah is Heavenly Mother when shes never admitted it and Ahn-sunhg-hong NEVER said she was? This church is following a dead man that never said he was Christ when he was alive and his teachings are completely different to the WMSCOG, so where is the WMSCOG getting there info. I live in New Zealand, and WMSCOG just started here in 2005 but already there is like 6 branchs all over the country, sadly my husband and i were sucked in but as soon as i was told ASH was the 2nd Christ i didn’t believe it then researching there church i came upon this site and im glad i found it. i just wish my friends that i have made at Church of God knew the truth and could leave the WMSCOG and come back to Jesus Christ the one and only Saviour.
Ahn Sahng-Hong actually wrote a book saying that there was no mother god which you can read here, and yet people still believe such blasphemy. Our Lord warned of false messiahs and false prophets. Pray that the Lord may call them to His truth. you may also be interested in checking out our forum
So God is suing people now? must be to pay for all those expensive dresses “mother” wears…this is absurd
My prayers are with you all in this fight… I am pretty sure people are allowed free speech and that any judge would rule in your favor. What they do not realize is that if my brother, who has recently came to his senses, were to go back and we lose him again, I would be at the same town hall meetings and be bringing the truths to light. [Moderated by admin]. If they want to put me on the stand, I would say it in court and under oath. Jesus Christ has my back. Their leader does not. I do not worry one bit about their falsities. What is happening right now for this? Do you have to go to court? This is an excellent resource for people and their evil is attempting to shut it down. What can we do to support you?
hi Katie,
Thank you for your offer of support. Please pray for the salvation of all of those in the WMS.
I talked with a member today, and he gave me lesson one and lesson two. Lesson 1 taught that God’s redemptive plan has been divided into 3 eras over a period of 6000 years. Lesson 2 talked about Christ coming in the clouds which the member said meant “body.” When I asked him about god the mother and the second coming of Christ (which he believes already happened), he replied that I was not ready to hear that because he hadn’t explained the prophecies concerning the second coming. I might talk with him again next week, but this time I hope to be a little bit more prepared.
His explanation of “clouds” actually meaning “flesh” can be refuted with Acts 1:9-11. Christ will return in the same way he ascended. NOT born in flesh, but coming literally in the clouds. http://www.trektorome.com/clouds-means-clouds/
DON’T!!!! I REPEAT, DON’T!!!! THIS BS CULT IS SPREADING LIES TO YOU AND AS SOON AS YOU HEAR THEM, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF RELUCTANTLY AGREEING WITH THEM EVEN WITHOUT THOUGHT! THEY ARE THAT CUNNING AND DECEPTIVE! I ALMOST FELL TO THEIR SCHEMES BUT THANKFULLY, MY FAMILY MOVED OUT OF THE COUNTRY TO PREVENT ME FROM BEING DECEIVED FROM THEM!!!! GET OUT OF THEIR SIGHT NOW!!! I REPEAT! GET OUT OF THEIR SIGHT NOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!!
Judge for yourself what is right. When arrogance, anger, discontent, complaint, hate, and violence are supported on a website like this ask yourself if that could quite possibly be from God. The traits listed above are far from the teachings of true God. All I see in here is typing in all caps and people saying “Stay out of the Church of God” but it is funny because they never tell you where to go or why that church is the “correct” church.
By these traits you are heaping more wrath upon yourselves than you realize. Do not follow the rules of man and take solice in the glory a man bestows on himself. Yet be firm in your faith and test everything to find whether it came from God the creator of all, or man which is the creator of Judge for yourself what is right. When arrogance, anger, discontent, complaint, hate, and violence.
Satan will lead the whole world astray and he will do it because God’s people are destroyed from a lack if knowlege. So seek true God and you will find what you are looking for. AMEN
âmy people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. âBecause you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.â
ââHosea⏠â4:6âŹ
Gideon, you need to read things like the book of Job and tell us again how your statement is accurate and how Gods Word doesn’t yield to these kinds of actions. in your words, “So seek true God and you will find what you are looking for. AMEN.”
hahahaha its seems that your God
My life has been ruined for the stupid wmscog my fiance left me because that religion i tried yo get her back i even tried to join the church but the threw me out they already knew what they where doing it was planned out i cry every night for my fiance this is just horrible i just pray to god for her return
Andre, this group had my wife for over a year. She is out now and stronger because she realizes what this cult did to her. What you need to do right now is don’t try to debate with her or prove the teachings wrong. You need to let her know that you are still here for her and keep reminding her about the great times and friends/family that still care about her. Only true love will break through the lies of the WMSCOG. They claim to love and to have the truth. Show her what true love is and the truth will come back to her in time. No one stays in a cult forever! Life may feel like it’s over but when you make it through this the love will be even more real and solid. Keep your faith in Jesus Christ! He’s the one that paid the price for us.
T.H.
Your words give me hope … I admit, I haven’t opened the bible in a very long time and frankly I don’t even know how to start doing so .. but I love my girl and want her back .. I am extremely sure that this WMSCOG is a lie … but no matter what I show her against it, she does not believe me.
I will follow your instructions here, maybe she will realize, just like your wife did, that those people are not really her friends, brothers and sisters. That the WMSCOG is a cult .. Maybe she can return, and we can finally be married and grow old together ..
Even though those words were written for Andre, I thank you writing them ….
Hey Travis. I urge you to join the forum of this website. You’ll come in contact with many people who are coping with a similar situation.
Hi Andre,
I’m sorry to hear this. I tried to contact you via e-mail, but your e-mail address bounced back. If you contact me from the Contact page on the site, I may be able to help you reach out to your fiance.
Hi
Like maybe 4 weeks ago a man and a woman were knocking on my door asking me if they could show me something in the Bible. I said yes and she started of by saying” God said let US . So she asked if I had any idea what US meant in the Bible . I told her not really so they asked if they could come in for a couple minutes and show me. When they got in the guy took over asking me if I knew about the Bible. So he told me the US means God and his Wife and he showed me things in the Bible that supported that claim. They came like almost every day since the last 4 weeks showing me things and teaching me the Bible . He told me that they were the only true church who lives by gods laws and everybody else would go to hell because the Bible says so. My husband knows the Bible but he’s away right now. So every time I learned something new I told him and he told me that’s not what the Bible says. To make it short is like brainwash really and putting that fear in you that if you don’t become a member you going to hell is like almost every question i had he had an answer and it stared to make sence. I went to their church with my kids and I had that feeling in my stomach that something wasn’t right but after the service we had more Bible study and that’s when he told me about the second coming Jesus or like he told me God ,Jesus and the Holy Spirt are all the same and God came from heaven to eart as Jesus to teach us how to obey him, but when he told me he saw his picture and his name is Ahnsangtong it was like something is wrong . I went home and I had this fear in me about God I thought I was going crazy. But again to make it short is really brainwash what they do and you need people around you who will help you to see the truth and you need websites like this who can help you. I think it was the point when he told me to get baptized and if I would I couldn’t go to no other church not even if one of my kids or my brother would die and they wouldn’t be a member and if my husband doesn’t become a member he would go to hell but I would go to heaven because my husband and all the other church are all going to burn in hell because they don’t obey gods laws . Funny thing is god said don’t have no other gods beside me but the members of the church of god believe in the sun god is in their book “my sheep listen to my voice” he gave me this book to read. I’m just glad I saw the truth and I believe in my heart it was god who showed me the truth.
Hi Christina,
Glad to hear you are back to following Jesus Christ, and not the false messiah Ahn Sahng-Hong.
I don’t remember reading about them believing in a sun god in my sheep listen to my voice. I’m pretty sure they don’t, but could you tell me which chapter you are talking about? maybe it’s just the way it’s worded.
MY DEAREST BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST,
I SAY : TO UNDERSTAND THE SPIRITUAL PHRASES YOU NEED TO UPGRADE YOUR SELF SPIRITUALY.
WE CHRISTIANS BELIVE IN HOLY TRINITY I.E FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
WE NOTICE IN OLD BOOKS OF BIBLE WE SEE GOD AS JEHEOVA, NEW BOOKS JESUS AND BOOK OF PROFESSY WHICH WAS DUE TO COME HAPPEN AFTER JESUS REVELATION HOLY SPIRIT WHEN ALL ARE ONE WHY DO BIBLE GIVE THEM DIFFERENT NAME IN DIFFERENT AGE THAT SHOWS THAT HOLY SPIRIT SHOULD ALSO WILL HAVE A NAME.
Thats not trinity thats modalism..
Just read the report about the mongolian issue, oh wow now God will sue people for “moral damage” just ridiculous.
The members should read this with their sense and ask themself… Does true God needs lawyers and lawsuits to settle his/her affairs? Coz most gods i know usually dont need legal case to smitenon believers.
Matthew 24:30
30 âThen will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d]
In the above verse, Jesus is speaking of His second-coming, so don’t let any of the WMSCOG church members tell you that He was talking about the Holocaust.
Call me “word of faith,” but I really think that when Jesus returns it will happen as it is stated above. That is, ALL will mourn. Seeing as though this Christ AnhSahnghong guy already came and went and nobody really knows about it, that should be a red flag. Also, some of these WMSCOG members will try to convince you that clouds mean flesh, meaning that He will return in a body. All I’ve got to say about that is that sometimes clouds just mean clouds!!!!
How we demote God if were are not going to believe that He is magnificent enough to literally be seen by EVERYONE and that yes EVERYONE WILL MOURN. I believe that everyone will mourn at His return because some will be rejoicing, while other fearful and ashamed for denying Him all of their lives.
In summary, AnhSahngHong already lived and died. Did EVERYONE hear about this? NO!!! Did everyone mourn? NO!!!! Please believe Jesus when He said what He said in Matthew 24. Make no mistake, WE WILL KNOW and have no doubt. God is not a God of confusion.
Oh and BTW check out the verse above it: Matthew 24:29
29 âImmediately after the distress of those days
ââthe sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.â[b]
Have we experienced any of these above signs yet? NO!!!!! Therefore, Jesus has NOT RETURNED yet.
Plus…if AnhSanhHong was God…why would he need corrective lens? LOL!
a. Matthew 24:15 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
b. Matthew 24:29 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
c. Matthew 24:30 Or the tribes of the land
d. Matthew 24:30 See Daniel 7:13-14.
e. Matthew 24:33 Or he
f. Matthew 24:36 Some manuscripts do not have nor the Son.
well said Curl-Q.
I just recently left WMSCOG, after 4 years. They explain that the “Stars falling from the sky” is spiritual meaning when the Holocaust occured (they state that the jews wearing yellow Star of David is proof, and also when YHWE told Abram his descendants will be like the stars in heaven). My point is, they make SURE, they have an answer for eberything..and the answers dont always make sense and usually lead to more Questions
What day is the true Sabbath Day?
Answer that Biblically for me.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Keep in mind the resurrection Day what day that is.
When any WMSCOG member sees that everything they believe in nonsense, they go to the issue of the Sabbath, why is that? Is Sabbath correct of is Sunday service correct? This is called a false dichotomy. You create a false option between two things that doesn’t really exist.
Am I making it up that this is a false dichotomy? No!! Read Romans 14. Paul tells us that any day you choose to observe as holy is fine. Even if all days are alike to you, that’s fine. Imagine God who over ruled the law of foods or meat, imagine the God who over ruled the law of physical circumcision – you’re telling me that God is too weak to be worshiped on any day, like it has to be Sabbath and third day? like really dude? You people are truly Sad.
Hi Admin
Note I’m catholic person who has my wife attending this sect. She was catholic too, but found someone in the supermarket who approched and talked to her about 2nd coming of crist and she decided to visit them. This was her worst decision since she is still attending and no matter what I have showed her all about your excellent info in this website and how wrong this organisation is, she is still not convinced. It has separated our family apart.
Can you guys help me convince her that the sect she’s been currently attending is wrong.
We are very desperate with this situation going on.
Waiting for your prompt reply.
Sincerely your
hi there. please check your e-mail for a reply from me.
Hi, even my brother is a member of this and it’s hard to convince him. We don’t know how to get him back
Elohim means divinities or powers. It does not denote anything about gender, about fathers, sons, and spirits, or any such. It refers to the divine powers of Hashem, one deity who has told us to think of Him as a male character.
They usually don’t say about the tithing requirement also, every churches do practice tithing but for WMSCOG its the most important thing, basically the core of everything, quite ironic isn’t it behind all that bible thumpings. memorizing verses and prayings all that matter in the end is how much you willing to pay for your salvation.
Pay for salvation? Well, if I know it’s a true salvation, I suppose to give everything, yet they’re offering a false salvation so why I give. One can turn all the pages of the Scriptures and nothing can be found that a dead false christ can be worship as god, nor a person alive posing as a fake mother god can be worship as gods. Their false gods, and all of mankind are all creations who will undergo questioning by the CREATOR on the day of judgement. WMSCOG and all members preferring to stay are already doomed to hell.
Didn’t Jesus physically came in the flesh and then passed away in the flesh with thorns on his head by mere man? Then he rose from the dead spiritually. Anyways, there are so many churches that are pretty darn crazy like Jehova Witnesses, King Ministries of Jesus, Catholic churches, and a bunch of religious cult/sect- churches.
Many people are in these kind of churches and/or religion, and religion is a hard or harsh thing. Many of these people strongly believe they are in the true church and go about talking to other people about going to their churches in belief that a certain church or certain religion is the right one; what I’m trying to say is that religion is a touchy, delicate subject and these people preach in consideration of their beliefs, nothing more and nothing else.
No matter what our beliefs are, I think it may sound rude of us to say that these people or that people are “doomed to hell” when only God should judge and we’re only human beings.
-hope i made some sense, esp. since I’m super tired and my English isn’t superb.
-Thank you everyone for these comments on this website.
Yes this Church is a great confussion PLEASE CAN SOME BODY EXPLAIN ME HOW THEY COME WITH THE FEASTS THE LONG DAYS PREACHING WERE IN THE BIBLE IS ALL THIS. thanks
Why doesnt his son speak up and let people know that he is Ahns son and how his father is not God and how Zahng Gil-Ja is not mother God?!? Since they preach that Ahn didnt have children!!!! I could not let that lie get that big to the point where there is millions of people now following a false doctrine. I would not be able to sleep at night knowing this is going on and I could stop it!!!!! Why are so many people that know the truth not talking? Are you the only person trying to help? Its so frustrating……:(
The World Mission Society Church of God is… [moved by admin to forum here].
you are right….
The problem is WMSCOG has members not trusting this site, hence the lawsuits filed by WMSCOG to shut this site down.
WMSCOG members will not even consider the evidence put out by this site.
Dear No Name. No one can prove AhnSahngHong isn’t God. Not even his child. Why? AhnSahngHong didn’t commit adultry. He didn’t physically marry Heavenly Mother nor have intimate relations with her. This is why this entire website is a lie. Please come to WMSCOG, let’s be the elect children of Promise like Isaac!! How was Isaac chosen? Because sacrifice was handed down to him as with all the forefathers of faith. God bless you.
But, there are so many proofs of his lies. Please leave while you can, as I recently did. If you weren’t questioning you wouldnt be here. I was in your shoes only a month or two ago. I have ordered court proceedings, and spoken with former members (not just relying on one site). The lies pile up pretty high. And in my former Zion, there were a few older members whom DID confirm that 2012 was thr predicted, end….and we see that didnt happen.
Well I was informed that WMS has very deep pockets, and has already sued NCPCOG. They sue for slander at every turn. If your a WMS member who wandered here answer this question, “Do you remember signing a confidentiality agreement?” The zion I was in, had our members sign one. It was coded, since I have a small legal background I caught it. I spoke to a former member who questioned some practices in his old zion, and was asked to sign one to keep his mouth shut.
Never signed it, but they are slick. In my experience I have heard from members and ex members that when you sign up for their official webpage/phone app, your agreement to the terms and conditions is the confidentiality agreement.
Seems like this is really why they didn’t want us going on the internet.
Is there any prophecies in the Bible that indicates that we can know if Second Coming Jesus’s son can testify whether He is Second Coming Jesus or not? I only know for sure that only the Scriptures testify about Him. Then why is there a need to hear the testimonies of His son? Would Ahn kwang sup’s testimony teach us biblical prophecies about what 2nd coming Jesus must fulfill? All prophecies about 2nd Coming Jesus were fulfilled by Father Ahnsahnghong. If you dont believe the prophecies or dont even know what prophecies He must fulfill at the second time, how can you judge that Father Ahnsahnghong is not the 2nd coming Jesus? You Pharisees of this age! How will you escape the punishment for all your evil deeds!
I suppose that the trumpet blast, every eye will behold Him, and every tongue will confess He is Lord all mean nothing this time around? I know, WW1 is supposed to be the trumpet blast. Let’s assume that could possibly be right. What about the rest? I guarantee that every eye did not behold Ahn and every tongue will NOT confess that Ahn was Lord. If it’s not the truth you must throw it out. Sorry, but Ahn is NOT God. It’s very easy to see if you seek the truth.
Philippians 2:11
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:10-11
You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before Godâs judgment seat. It is written:
ââAs surely as I live,â says the Lord, âevery knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.ââ
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
This was said not once, not twice, but three times in reference to God and Jesus Christ. Isaiah references the coming of Jesus Christ, yet not everyone in the world witnessed the coming of Jesus at the same time, nor did everyone acknowledge Him as God (if they had, He would not have been crucified). This is clear evidence that there is a different meaning than what humanity believes, as evidenced by Numbers 23:19 & Hebrews 6:18, which detail that God neither will lie (because God isn’t human) and cannot lie (because He is the Spirit of Truth)
As well, there are some 2 Billion+ Christian members in the world, but over 7 Billion people living on this planet that are not Christian. Thus, they have not acknowledged that Jesus is Lord, as God promises in Philippians. There are also 1.6 Billion Muslims on the planet who absolutely deny that Jesus is God. Rather, they speak that He is only a prophet and not their Lord. Does this mean the prophecy didn’t come true? Certainly not! This simply means God’s thoughts are NOT our thoughts, nor His ways our ways (Isaiah 55:8). We must come to a true understanding of the scriptures, especially the ones referencing the 2nd Coming Christ, like the one below (which looks a LOT like the first 3 posted):
Revelation 1:7
âLook, he is coming with the clouds,â and âevery eye will see him, even those who pierced himâ; and all peoples on earth âwill mourn because of him.â So shall it be! Amen
Christ Ahnsahnghong has been seen by the whole world!
(everyone has acknowledged the World Mission Society Church of God that Christ Ahnsahnghong founded, even American President Barack Obama and Queen Elizabeth II, through the prestigious volunteer service awards given to the church. source English.watv.org)
Many people from all nations are flooding to the Church of God, which we call Zion (Micah 4:1-2, Psalms 102:16-22) which God Himself has built.
Simply put, every eye did not physically behold and confess that Jesus was Lord 2000 years ago, as Isaiah prophesied. However, everyone knows that Jesus is the God of Christianity today, even if they don’t believe it to be true! In the same way, the entire world will know that Ahnsahnghong is God, the Holy Spirit & New Jerusalem is Heavenly Mother of the World Mission Society Church of God even if they do not believe. This will be the fulfillment of the prophecy of Second Coming Christ in Revelation, just as the prophecies in Isaiah and Philippians have come to pass. I hope this clears things up for you a bit more! Please visit your local Church of God and explore more about the church to truly know what’s going on! God bless you!
Btw, I do apologize for the # miscalculation in reference to the # of people that aren’t Christian. I mistakenly put how many people are living on the planet (which is 7 Billion)! I meant to put that as a reference to subtract from, with the more accurate # of non-Christians being roughly 5 Billion! Thank you and God bless you!
Revelation 1:7
âLook, he is coming with the clouds,â and âevery eye will see him, even those who pierced himâ; and all peoples on earth âwill mourn because of him.â So shall it be! Amen
Christ Ahnsahnghong has been seen by the whole world!
Well, I see the OBVIOUS flaws in your thought processes here. I am impressed that you knew where to go in the Bible to find these verses. What you NEED to do next is study the context and realize the timeframes which is spoken of. There are way too many things wrong with the interpretation of Gods Word by the WMSCOG. This is the purpose of this website. In a way the WMS created this so be careful how you judge us. BTW, I have tried to visit your group in several cities and I have also had conversations with several so called missionaries, deacons, and pastors. None of them had any satisfactory answers. Oh there was a ton of scripture twisting and taking things out of context but NO REAL ANSWERS. By researching outside of the confines of the WMSCOG you will find that what I’m saying is true. Obviously you have taken time to learn how to think about the scriptures as well as historical events as the WMSCOG wishes you to think about them. It’s your turn to discover if what you’ve been taught is the truth. You’re going to find that you’ve been lied to by the very group that has told you that everyone else has lied to you. This is a very cult like thing to do. Remove you from outside information. You’ve gotta do research outside of the WMSCOG if you’re going to find the TRUTH!
How can you say the whole world has seen Ahn? A lot of people have never even heard of this cult. If a person was stuck on an island with just a Bible they wouldnt be saved bc this added information is not in the Bible. No one has even heard of that award you received. Doing volunteer work doesnt get you to Heaven. Not to mention you are supposed to be humble. You apply for this award and Barack Obama has no idea who you guys are either. Please preach uour blasphemy somewhere else you guys have already been exposed on this site.
Hey hi all the verses u quote talks abt the final judgment day when all will be judged n nothing about first coming of christ…please go thro the context of the verses first..
Hey hi all the verses u quote are speaking of the final judgment and nothing about the first coming…try again
please help me. After reading the information about your website, I finally know that I walk in the wrong path. I’m a born again christian before and until now I attended in the our church. But at the same time, that Korean cult still bothered me always. They call and text me, even come to our house and talk my mom about their mother god and that ahnshanghong. I still come to their church because I something believe in some of their videos that they show me, but now I now that they are false .. please help me to get out of that cult. Really I believe only in God from the beginning. đ
hi jessa, please check your e-mail for a response from me.
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thank you friend for sharing yours. I think where in the same situation that I have right now. So I think God answer my questions by your testimony đ
Wmscog also said that church means the bride
Hi jessa. Where has the WMS said this?
Im from Philippine. They show me some verses while teaching me that the church in the bible means the god the mother or the bride
this explanation should clear things up.
how stupid they are. You know last Tuesday I asked one of a korean sister if the COG celebrated “ALL SAINTS DAY” and she told me no, because they worship ghost or dead people. Then Why they worship ahn ??? That man die long years ago. Thats really strange.
they arent afraid of all the dead except ahnsahnghong.
you know what. I have an experience when I asked about one of the sister(korean girl) ” if ALL SAINTS DAY also not allowed in COG?” then she told me yes, because its ghost or dead worshiping. then why did they worship that ahnsahnghong. he is dead person.
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Hi,
I was recently approached by this group and attended some bible studies. The only reason I let them in was because they claimed to be theology students…I figured they were graduate students doing research but then I clearly saw they were preaching. I was slightly intrigued, I asked them which church they were preaching for and they told me it was a non-denominational Christian Church that ONLY followed the teachings of the bible. I was intrigued by the “Women representation in the bible so i agreed to hear more. They weren’t super pushy and they were always friendly. I was curious about which prophecies they believed in, more than anything I was interested in them from a sociological perspective. Anyway, every lesson was more and more wild! When I would ask “OK, obviously you believe second coming Christ and his Bride are already here so who are they?” they would tell me I’m not ready yet. Finally, they invited me to study in their church and that is what freaked me out. Everyone was crazy friendly, they were eating there like they lived there, and it just gave me a bad feeling. I looked at the name of their church and took note of it. So, I googled it and found a lot and was finally let here. I feel like I escaped the clutches of something awful and I am SO glad I found this so I could avoid them better.
Many of the people who are trapped in this group are honestly well intentioned people. I thank god that you realized for yourself that there was something wrong and that you were not so far indoctrinated by their studies that you couldn’t see the obvious. What happened to you is called “Love Bombing.” They overwhelm you with friendliness and for the individuals who are lonely even though it seems strange it is also welcomed in part. It also makes a person not want to be rude so some of the questions that should be asked and answered first thing never get brought up or they are pushed to the side until they are forgotten about. You are very lucky that you didn’t fall for this. Many people do fall for it and for some it cost them more than they ever imagined. It’s sad because like I said, most of these people are good, honest people who don’t deserve to be mislead by this. They also defend what they are taught because of the mind manipulation that is ingrained throughout the WMSCOG and it’s teachings. I thank god you are out and not trapped by this. Warn as many people as you can.
yes the passover is the 14th day of the first month, they used the sacred calendar in the bible, but were using the gregorian calendar so the 14th day of the 1st month usually march/april
Right. It’s odd that people can understand the idea of PO moving around on our calendar but not Ahn’s Bday.
The church that celebrates the birth of Christ on the 25th of December is a heretic… What is the context of this sentence? This is talking about Jesus, the Christ in His 1st coming. This is also the conclusion of all the evidence available that shows 12/25 as Jesus’ birthday (every year) has pagan roots. Meaning, this celebration did not come from God.
Why didn’t Zahng tell GP not to write that sentence?….. Because it’s fine the way it’s written. Just like the WMSCOG does rather often, that sentence was taken out of context. 12/25 is not the birthday of Ahn. Ahn birthday fell on 12/25. Being that Americans use the Gregorian calendar, it isn’t alarming to hear member’s say, 12/25 is Ahn’s coming day! But that only applies when it lands on that day. This year, 2014, one cannot say 12/25 is Ahn’s coming day. (Why?? They said it in 2011!) Because it doesn’t fall on 12/25 this year.
This article, IMNSHO, is no good.
That’s Awesome. Keep up the good work.
Keep up the good work brother! The Lord is on your side. Just continue trusting in Him.
Laus Deo! đ
It should read a New Jersey “ALL PROFIT” not NON PROFIT.
Looks like the World Mission Society Church Of God will do everything they can to bring this site down. I know that the Lord is on your side during this fight! đ
You only want to bring the truth about the World Mission Society Church Of God out because you want to share your experiences with this cult, correct their doctrinal errors, expose their malicious and destructive ways, and help the former members, and I’m sure God is helping you accomplish this.
God bless you sir!
I’ve been hesitating to recommend this site to a good friend who is a member of this cult, because I’m afraid it will destroy our close friendship.
exodus 14:14
I’m really thankful about the information of this website regarding to the WMSCOG. I’m a new member of this church, for about three months. And as I study more deeper about their core beliefs. I’m really convinced about what they say. And if I ask questions then they can answer me through the Bible. But one day, I’m having difficulty in managing my time with regards to my study and going to church almost everyday to study. Because I am a graduating University student here in the Philippines. So I am very busy, and sometimes I can’t come to zion. Then, because of this one of my closest friend in Zion which is a Korean. He told me that Spiritual life is more important rather than honor, or anything that is earthly. And he show me a video about decision making. Then he ask me to give up my study if I truly love God Elohim. Then cite an example about many other members who give up also their college studies to concentrate in preaching. Then, I’m very surprise about that. But I said to him that i can go to zion even i will not give up my studies. And he ask me to delete my accounts in twitter and facebook. and stop using internet, watching TV, listening to radio and he delete also all my music in my cellphone. And tole me that only the new songs should be in my cellphone. I’m greatly shocked about these. But I still continue come to their church,. But for some reasons, I’m always having difficulty in accepting Christ Ahnsanghong and New Jerusalem as my savior instead of Jesus Christ. I’m feel guilty and not comfortable when i try to accept Christ Ahnsanghong and mother New Jerusalem. And because of this, i research the history of the church. And this website really help me to know the truth about this church. I observe also in this church that they really use manipulative techniques to manipulate the mind and behavior of their church members and most especially the new recruit members. This website use by Jesus Christ to be the instrument in enlightening our minds about the lies of this church.
Thank you so much for this informative site. My loved one became involved in this group while deployed overseas. He did this without consulting me and when he returned home, we had a very difficult time. This site has been a God-send to me. Where I live in the US Midwest, no one that I spoke to had heard of this group nor had any experience with them. I had never felt so alone in all of my life. Every time that I spoke with someone about my husband being involved in this group and our marriage situation, all anyone could say was how sorry they were to hear about this and they wished that they could do something to help. This site had offered me valuable information, but SO MUCH MORE – it has offered me a community of people who have had similar experiences. When I had no one to turn to in person, I had these wonderful people on this site to ask questions, give my testimony, and vent my feelings. I thank God for this site. I know that I am not alone in this.
thank you Rahab for your kind comment. my prayers for you and your husband. i am very glad to know this site has helped you. thank you for sharing your story.
Dear Admin
I am a former member of the WMSCOG and would like to share my experience, how and where do I do this because I would like people like myself get out of this cult that brainwashes people.
Hi, you can submit your story via the contact form.
My sister and her daughter have been involved in WMSCOG for over a year now and I am convinced that they are lost to the family and all previous relations. My instinct is to leave them alone – I have shared info on their group WMSCOG and engaged in some biblical back and forth to no avail – so at this point I am solely relying on my faith in God and am praying for their deliverance. They are trying to convince my other neice to enter the “church” but she is resisting and I feel for her too because she has been isolated by my sisters defection to WMSCOG – the true Bible interpretation definitely doesn’t teach isolating yourself from your family.
Gloria, please do yourself and your entire family a favor. DO NOT SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM YOUR SISTER! Leaving her alone is a very bad idea. Otherwise this group could play the role of “support system”. Your best plan of action is to keep loving your sister and reminding her that there are people outside of this group that care about her. The more memories and good times you can share with her the less of a strangle hold this group will have on her. I also had a loved one that was seduced by this group for over a year. I have been in your shoes. There is hope! No one stays in forever! The ones that are able to really deal well with coming out of these types of groups are the people who have loved ones outside of the group. If your sister feels like she has no where to go she will stay in the group even longer. Don’t let that happen! Show her love, compassion, and devotion and sooner or later this group is going to mess up. When she starts to wake up she’s not going to know what to do but if you’ve always been there she will have someone that she can talk to. Keep your faith in Jesus Christ strong and keep loving her.
Im very thankful i found this site.my wife almost joined this cult and she is actually praying to these False prophets.We almost separated because she became a different person.Im not good in explaining biblical things but i did not gave up serching for evidence that WMSCOG is a cult.Thanks to all the ppl who shared their experince and ideas.U guys are saving a lot of lives.My family is ok now..
Sorry for my grammar im not good in english….
I am trying to help a friend leave this group. I have tried telling her that ASH never claimed to be God but she insists she has books in which she will show that he did claim it. No clue what she is going to come up with. Any ideas?
I have also told her that he has written the book, “Problems with the New Jerusalem….” and she says there is no such book but just fake messages on the internet.
I have found one of their blogs that defends why the book was written because she may accept something from a supporting website. Let us hope and pray this works meanwhile any ideas would be welcome. I may get a chance to meet her around Nov 4th to see her books.
I recently left WMSCOG, recently they have addressed the “Problems with the Nee Jerusalem…” book. They claim ASH wrote it only to protect us from slander ans the woman who claimed to be New Jerusalem. They are ever evolving
Hi! The worst part is that I got to meet Michelle Colon. I remember her and how they actually keept on telling us that she ate from the tree of good and evil. Now that I have been segregated from this group for almost a year I feel so spiritually raped. That last Passover that she participated I seat righ next to her. They considered me a mature sister so I was not in “danger.” At the time I did nt know anything about what was going on. I feel so sad about all the difficulties that she went through and how her mariage was messed up. I wish I could help in some way. Michelle if you are reading this, (I remember that you used to do your nails in a French style with glitter). I remember who her husband was at the time and I remember her always looking uncommited to everything going on around her. I remember how hard was for her to pray in this “new name.” I remember her when they made her seat in between the missionary and the diaconess. I know that there was one of the prayers for the feast that she was crying and praying and for some reason I knew that she was really calling for God Almighty. Now I get to understand the other side of the story.
Hello jellybean,
I think I remember you. I’m so happy that you were able to free yourself. I would really like to know more about what happened to you and why you left. Please contact me by using the contact form here. Hope to hear from you soon.
It does not matter how many verses you show her or evidence she will not believe you or anyone because her mind set is that the “devil” could use anyone to “deceive” her and make her leave “the truth.” I know is scary to think that she might stay there forever. However, In my personal experience what made me go back to reality was that how come they do not guarantee anything. If you have certain preaching time and give your tithes and offerings and participate in the committees and in “Zion” ‘s activities and always go on preaching missions you might go to heaven and at the end of the day no one “knows who really goes to heaven but mother” and that we should accumulate as many good deeds as we can and it does not matter how many good deeds you have recorded still it does not guarantee you going to heaven. That did not make sense to me. I know that there is nothing we could do to re pay God for all that God have done for us but that part was insane. They make you try to repay God in all the ways possible and you forget that there is nothing you could do to repay God all that God has done for us and continue to do. Because of this experience I have not be able to enter a church again or even pray to God because I feel so much shame in front of God to even have try to re pay God for all the infinite and amazing things that God has done for me specially taking me out of that place and bringing me back with my family.
My son has been involved in the church for two years! I pray everyday that his eyes are opened and he allows the truth to be seen. If anyone has any suggestions on what helped them see the truth, I would be most appreciative.
So by “love your enemies” the Bible clearly means SUE THEM. Remember that “the Bible clearly says” Bull@$%* LOL. Attention: god sues people.
Love your enemies (for the Bible tells you so) but Sue them. god Sues people yall (and loses every time) You think god would pick a better lawyer. LMAO.
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wow, what a similar story to that of my cousin, these people took advantage of him living with a foster family and not having real parents, they pray on the weak. he has dropped out of school, cut ties with all the family specially after he wasnt able to recruit any of us, maybe because we are all educated…now he has turn his back on me….his closest family member….i would take him out shopping, on trips , to eat as a kid and now im also a bad guy because i didnt go with the BS of “mother of god” non-sense….the brainwashing seems to be beyond salvagable, he speaks of the end of the world, how he wants to save me…he lost lots of weight and when around us it seem like he wasnt there mentally……
cant believe this group is getting away with this
There are many statements in the Bible that says that we are not saved by our “good works” whatever it may be…but we are given salvation only by having faith in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross to save us. I really hate it when they twist the bible’s teachings for their own gain.
Acts 1:9-11. THE SAME JESUS, Who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
This clearly states that THERE IS NO SECOND JESUS BUT ONLY A SECOND COMING OF JESUS. That same Jesus, who died on the cross for us.
DID ANSANGHONG CAME HERE THE SAME WAY HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN? NO. He was born on earth just like any normal people.
DID ANSANGHONG DIED FOR US ON THE CROSS LIKE JESUS? NO. He died like any normal people.
ANSANGHONG is a dead person who doesn’t even know he is being worshiped like a god here on earth.
Funny how these wmscog members keeps popping up into the forums and leaving comments and when directly confronted, they just vanished into thin air. No comebacks, no anything.
they SHOULD be dead by now.
I am so happy to have found this site and all the information regarding this group. My son and his wife are members. I have all the same worries and problems others have. In fact, I thought ‘concernedcitizen’ was reading my mind! My family needs help opening my son’s eyes! Any help would be greatly appreciated. ANY HELP!
hi there Gregory. you might try asking in our forum. there are many former members there who may be able to assist you.
Love is the key to rescuing your son and his wife. This group spends a great deal of time talking about how they love and how Zahng aka mother loves. This group will do everything they can to separate your son from his support system and replace it with themselves. The fact that his wife is with him in this thing is going to make it more difficult. Make sure that you get her parents involved in your effort as well. Remind them about all of the good times they have had in the past. All of the love that has been shared within your family and how you still love him without any strings attached. Keep in regular contact with him. Do not separate or cut him off, this is what this group wants. You have found a great source if information here. Learn what you can and ask out of the box questions but be careful. You want to seem interested but not confrontational. Judgement from you will only push him into this group further. If his wife seems less convinced about their choice of faiths then you might want to ask her some of the more difficult questions you’ll find here. Once again, seem curious but not confrontational. Right now they have been told that you will not understand what they have learned because the truth is not in you. This group uses many mind control tactics like this and by labeling everything they say as the truth it makes anything to the contrary a lie. The father of lies is Satan so if you are bringing so called lies to them they will view you as a follower of Satan. Please pay close attention to what I have shared with you. If you spend your time just trying to prove the WMSCOG wrong you are going to look very bad in their eyes and you will lose your son for a much longer time. Please read your Bible if you’re not in the habit of doing so. Read Galations as part of this is what this group uses to prove there is a god the mother. When read in context it doesn’t support the theory of god the mother. In Revelation there are dimentions for New Jerusalem. If mother is New Jerusalem then she would have to have certain characteristics which this lady and no person could ever have! This might be a starting place for a conversation but remember, do not be confrontational! Act curious and when he gives you an answer for things like this and they seem obviously wrong don’t try to shake him out of it with this! You will have already placed a problem out there and more questions will come into his mind. Sooner or later the truth will win out. No one stays in a cult forever. Keep praying and keep your faith in the one true God.
TH.– This is a beautifully written post and the best advice I’ve seen. I was in this church for almost 4 years, and I left almost a year ago. It has taken me until now to finally seek closure and healing from the whole experience. If I was still a member, this would be the utmost ideal way for a loved one or family member to approach the situation. Thank you so much for posting this.
As for those concerned about your loved ones, something will inevitably happen within that church that causes them to snap out of it. In hindsight I am still in shock thinking of how great this church is at sucking you in without you even realIzing it. I canât even begin to explain to you how good they are at it and in the most detailed ways. But I promise you, something will happen and they will see for themselves. All you can do is love them through it and be patient. Any ounce of criticism or urging will cause your loved one to go the opposite way of what youâ want. It brings them closer to the church and the members and drives a wedge between you. At the very least, be grateful this church is not physically dangerous as many other cults are. Once your loved one leaves they will need your love and support more than ever. Thank you
Wow, I had two people come by knocking on my door today talking about mother God. I’m not a current church goer but had never heard of such a thing. So, I googled it to make it a little more clear. They had highlighted verses and were skipping throughout the Bible the entire time.
WMSCOG is from Devil. Please Read Romans 6:9 and then check your Ahn San Hong.
Excuse me sir, but WMSCOG is not from the devil. Your understanding from reading Romans 6:9 is incorrect. So please, read the Bible more so you can understand. And we, World Mission Society Church of God, we believe in God the Mother who is testified in the Bible. Galatians 4:26, Genesis 1:26. Genesis 1:26~ When we see God create mankind, God did not say, âLet Me make man in my image,â or âLet there be man.â God clearly said, âLet Us make man in Our image, and in our likeness.â But people think the “Us” means thew trinity or the angels. But it’s not. Because if the angels formed Man in their own image and likeness, angels would pop out. And if it was the trinity, okay wait hold up. Actually the trinity are not all 3 different men. They are the same. It’s the same God. It’s just he came to this Earth with 3 different names- for the 6,000 year work for redemption. Jehovah was the name of the savior in the age of the Father, Jesus was the saviors name in the age of the Son, and Christ Ahnsahnghong, was the Savior for the age of the Holy Spirit, which is in this age but he already came. And that was his second coming. He was born in 1918. And when he was baptized in 1948, as the parable of the Fig Tree was fulfilled ( When Jesus cursed the Fig Tree which was a parable). The fulfillment of the Fig Tree in 1948 was when Israel became it’s own independent state- which is when Christ Ahnsahnghong was baptized and began the gospel work. SO since Christ Ahnsahnghong is the Second Coming Christ, he already fulfilled his Second Coming. So very soon, very very soon, God will come and bring judgement on the Earth and will take his Children back to the kingdom of Heaven. So that is why our Church is called ” World Mission Society Church of God” because we are trying to save the world and have everyone believe and obey God the Father and God the Mother and keep the Passover- and all of God’s feasts and truths so that we may all enter the Kingdom of Heaven. but people persecute us because the same exact prophecy is being fulfilled, the same prophecy that God’s children will be persecuted because of his name. As Jesus was persecuted in his 1st coming along with his followers, when he comes a 2nd time, he will be persecuted and so will his followers- the Ones who will be saved in the last day- be persecuted. Thank you.
Hi,
I am so grateful for this site. I visited WMSCOG three times because a close family member has joined. What is the hidden agenda in recruiting the youth? I asked why their parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles were not present like typical churches and their response was they are blind to the truth. During the sermon the deacon told its members that the other churches are satanic and WMSCOG was the only true church. This FALSE KOREAN MESSIAH is deceiving our youth by joining.
Any advice on how to get my family member out of this ludicrous place???
I just want to give a suggestion to the former members of the wmscog that are having confusions of what they are going to do now. It is hard finding out that the very things you honestly wanted to believe in are just false man-made teachings.
If you are a bible believer, then please just read the bible. It is such a cliche but most of the people that were easily deceived by the wmscog are those who does not have enough knowledge on the bible.
Other religions can’t really help you find your faith, but if you want guidance in reading the bible, I would suggest that you find a religion that practices a “sola scriptura” (from the scriptures only) teaching since many religions today have inserted their own traditions and beliefs in their religious practices.
SECOND COMING OF CHRIST will be seen by the world as reported in Revelations Chapter 1:7. There are no other concrete references to prove that Ahn Sang Hongâs teachings fulfill prophecy. It is interesting to note that during their meetings they teacher does not allow its members to question or complete chapters. They are forced to read ONLY the underlined verses that are manipulated to their OWN teachings.
I warn anyone involved in this cult to GET OUT NOW! There will be a punishment for following false messiahs as stated in Luke. God help those families who are trying to get out their loved ones. AMEN!!!
Actually what you wrote here is a lie. But the secrets of the kingdom of heaven are not for you. Is a. 40:5 also explained that all mankind would see the glory of the Lord. But Jesus didn’t travel all the world. Did He? Xmas is pagan sungod worship. The cross is idolatry and the Whole world follows the beast. 666 you’d be wise to study the Bible prophecies and not the confused people who don’t know who they are. And Saturday is the Sabbath day. Sunday worship is pagan
truth grabber, I don’t care how much you regurgitate the doctrine of the WMSCOG it doesn’t make it the truth. The Cross is idolatry if you WORSHIP it! As a symbol Gods Word makes it quite clear that it has power. How about if you grab some of that truth? Gods truth! The secrets of the kingdom are not for us? The same measure by which you judge us will be used to judge you. Are you really so arrogant that you would deny this truth as well? How is it that you missed the truth of the second coming? This is when the world will witness Jesus as Christ. The Bible does not say that Jesus will walk the entire Earth the first time He is among us! What “truth” are you grabbing? Your group likes to cling to its stolen teaching about Saturday being the Sabbath. Yes, I said stolen! It’s taken directly from the Seventh Day Adventist Cult. The Bible also addresses this very clearly but as you only seem to want to study Gods Word as the WMSCOG would have you learn it you will never be able to learn the truth for yourself. As some thing are revealed in Gods time not ours you group wants you to believe that they have figured out the mind of God and has translated what God really meant. What a twist of the truth! God doesn’t need anyone’s help revealing His message to us. I invite you to do as MK suggest and GET OUT NOW!
What’s the matter truth grabber? Truth got your toung?
Luke 21:8 States to be aware of false messiahs that will come in the end times.
Hey guys i was going to the church of God in Auckland Newzealand and yes they are rude once youve been there for a while you start to see there true colours, How dare they do this to our almighty God and our Saviour Jesus Christ i am furiouse with this church now and will take action Following a man Ahnsanghong they claim to be the messiah we should all gather togeather get media involved and send them packing. form now on i will not go any futher to being apart of this deceitful church and will pray to our heavenly father for the Answers For we are all childrean of God trying to find our place in order to go back to the heavenly kingdom in these last days. May God Bless each and everyone of us IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY “JESUS CHRIST” AMEN I WELCOME YOU TO MY COMMENT PLS COME SHED SUM LIGHT BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN OF GOD. NEVER GIVE UP PERSEVERE GIVE IT ALL TO GOD PRAY FAITHFULLY YOU WILL RECEIVE YOUR ANSWERS. MUCH LOVE (ANGEL)
Amen Tania. Best of luck in all future endeavors. Keep in touch and create youself a profile in the forum.
Hey I agree with your comment 100% glad im not the only one. I used to go to the one in AD, which one in Auckland did you go to?
In the church of God, they have never once said to me it will end in 2012. However, many including myself believe that no matter what day God destroys the earth we want to be spiritually ready regardless.
Kayla, are you in the WMSCOG or the CoG? Please take time to read and research for yourself the things in this website. You wont be spiritually ready if you don’t know the truth.
i take it, you recently joined the church?
The husband waits for the bride.
The husband is coming for his bride but only the father knows when.
Thanks for setting things straight. They are trying there best to get me baptised in their church and they recon everything will be revealed to me through the holy spirit. Never realized they think the end of the world is going to happen in 2012. It is the 22nd of December as I write this.
Hold on to your purse. Tight.
She is our Mother!!! It is happening the same things 2000 years ago happened
No. She is not God. Jesus proved He was God so many times and everything He said and did proved He was God Zahng Gil …. Is a woman like every other woman out there. We need to wake up. Are you sincerely happy being at wmscog? All you have to do is look around you the next time you attend sabbath. Who is really running the show. Did Jesus discriminate? By discrimination I mean, having most, if not all the pastors one race? Was Jesus flawed in any way that can be proven? No. Jesus was perfection. How can “A” be Christ? Most former members here I doubt knew each other at the same time, yet have similar stories. This ought to be illegal practice. Oh…. I loved the idea of being an angel as they teach but it’s all part of the mind control. Pay attention to the unspoken words of members when they say “God bless you.” Most can not look you in the eye especially one of the opposite sex. Oh, and for those who claim the mother God knew of them prior, I’m here to tell you that even the devil knew you the day you were born. Psychics are very good at this tactic, so no! There is only one God that has ever walked this earth and His Name was, and Is, Jesus the Christ! The end of the world predictions is not what bothers me the most but people claiming to be God and misleading the very elect.
You are absolutely correct. The wmscog members like to believe that what happened 2000 years ago is happening now. No!! it’s not. Jesus never sinned, not once – If he had sinned, he wouldn’t have been worthy to be called God’s sacrificial lamb ( without blemish, remember).
Zhang Gil Jah is simply not worthy to be called a child of God, let alone be called God. She has not repented of her sins and they pile up every time a soul is lost over to the dark side.
I too do not care about worshiping on Saturday, Passover date or what ever other teaching – the real issue here, even though the wmscog fights to keep their members from seeing it, is that they are worshiping false gods. Somehomw they have been fooled into praying to another name other than that of the true saviour Jesus Christ.
Passover, Sabbath, Easter and so on, that’s just a façade.
My fiance joined their church and I need ur help to save her please…….
@ Ed apparently ASH (AKA “Father”) wrote on his hand-written notes that he follows “Mother” and that (according to the wmscog members) means we should too. Also, they say that the reason he wrote that book to deny a heavenly mother was because her time had not come yet and so he had to reveal her at the right time, since that other woman who was claiming to be the heavenly mother was lying through her teeth after stealing and going through his (ASH’s) notes…but how is that true? What do you have to say about it and also the claim that ASH revealed Zahng as Mother through the parable of the wedding banquet at a wedding hall when he celebrated his last Passover. Ed how true are all of these claims?
If you follow the history of Ahn and his family you will find that his actual mother (the one who gave birth to him) was the first one to enter into the Seventh Day Adventist Cult. In Ahn’s notes he clearly stated that he followed mother. What’s more reasonable? Ahn following his mom into a new faith or the idea that he revealed a new god which he actively preached against? Ahn was a believer of Jesus Christ and taught that Jesus was the only way to salvation. All it takes is research done on your own outside of this groups influence and you will learn these truthes. By the way, in reguards to Ahn’s book disputing god the mother, he states that there is no god the mother. The WMSCOG claims that he revealed god the mother. If Ahn did this then he was lying one way or the other. This is not something that can be explained away! This brings up the question, does God lie? Ahn cannot be God because one way or another there is a lie here. If Ahn was not God then God did not reveal a god the mother therefore whoever did brought forth a lie and the father of all lies is Satan. Do you really want to be following Satan?
Oh and God, who HATES false gods would never come to earth (again) and worship a false god. It just can’t happen no matter what their excuse. God would not ever under any circumstance worship a false god. To say that God, creator of all, worshiped budah is so utterly absurd it just may be the most absurd statement, EVER.
My daughter is involed in this horrible group as well. Is there anyway I can get the book that says there is no mother god? Iâm desperate!
Just wondering why you consider the Seventh-day Adventist church a cult?
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So my Girlfriends brother just joined their church about 2 months ago, any clue on how i should approach him about this being a false teaching. i ask him to come to my church and he refuses, i just want to help him. any clue on how?
Keep the lines of communication open and don’t debate scripture and doctrine with him. Point out things that will raise questions especially ones that can only be answered by realizing that there is something that’s not quite right. Keep it light and keep it friendly. If he feels attacked now he wont feel like he can come to you later when he’s thinking about leaving.
In our zion, we were taught that no one knows who the 144,000 will be, only “god the mother” knows. So it’s like a contest entitled “Who Is The Next 144,000 member?”! So I guess they edited their teachings again, so that they could still accumulate followers. Think of the amount of money they’ll lose from potential members if they stop preaching in 2012! Nope, stopping in gathering “fruits” (money) is not an option from the very beginning.
They say now that they never said 2012 was the end of the word and changed it to we said it was the end of preaching. Now at a minimum, we must hold them to that.
thank you for letting us know. where is this currently being taught? is this the official teaching now?
I am here to set the record straight. I was told by the missionary at my current Zion, that the world could not go past 2012. This was taught to me as prophecy in the year 2010 until 2012. After 2012 passed they had all of us go to a meeting in Chicago Zion, where we were “educated” that Father AhnSahngHong never said the world would end in 2012.
Here is my issue. Father never said it, why did a Deacon, a Deaconess and the Missionary ALL say things over and over throughout those years that “IMPLIED” that the world would end “VERY SOON” as if it could not go past 2012?
I even received a text message from a Deacon in the year 2010 or 2011, that instructed me to go and “prepare” water, food, and other supplies for World War 3!
I only had a flip phone (dumb phone) not a smart phone. so I don’t have a screen shot, but if I can find my old phone, I will definitely take a screen shot to prove the truth that various title holding members, DID teach me a prophecy that the world had end on or before 2012.
Also, the Missionary even preached a SERMON on the Sabbath, around March 2012 (or a 3rd day) in the which he said, in his Korean accent VERBATIM:
“Even if Father comes late and late, do you think He will come December 31?”
I have been having major disagreements with this church for a while now, and was ALMOST given an ultimatum to leave, because I have started to study the Bible for myself now, without just BELIEVING whatever PHILOSOPHY they have INDOCTRINATED me with.
I actually was hoping they were NOT LIARS, but it seems that the TRUTH has come to light whether they or I want it to or not.
What should I do? I know one thing. I should NOT cover up lies. What to do?
they do say the 144,000 are the ones who are preaching and doing the gospel work including full tith. it is used as a motivator to control your actions and commitment to the church. It’s why the members of the wmscog have a competitive demeanor and step all over each other having an inflated notion of self worth.
this makes so much sense as to why my sister who is a member there for about 2 yrs now is so persistent in trying to lure my other family members in getting involved.
I am here to set the record straight. I was told by the missionary at my current Zion, that the world could not go past 2012. This
was taught to me as prophecy in the year 2010 until 2012. After 2012 passed they had all of us go to a meeting in Chicago Zion,
where we were “educated” that Father AhnSahngHong never said the world would end in 2012.
Here is my issue. If Father never said it, why did a Deacon, a Deaconess and the Missionary ALL say things over and over
throughout those years that “IMPLIED” that the world would end “VERY SOON” as if it could not go past 2012?
I even received a text message from a Deacon in the year 2010 or 2011, that instructed me to go and “prepare” water, food, and
other supplies for World War 3!
I only had a flip phone (dumb phone) not a smart phone. so I don’t have a screen shot, but if I can find my old phone, I will
definitely take a screen shot to prove the truth that various title holding members, DID teach me a prophecy that the world had
end on or before 2012.
Also, the Missionary even preached a SERMON on the Sabbath, around March 2012 (or a 3rd day) in the which he said, in his Korean
accent VERBATIM:
“Even if Father comes late and late, do you think He will come December 31?”
I have been having major disagreements with this church for a while now, and was ALMOST given an ultimatum to leave, because I
have started to study the Bible for myself now, without just BELIEVING whatever PHILOSOPHY they have INDOCTRINATED me with.
I actually was hoping they were NOT LIARS, but it seems that the TRUTH has come to light whether they or I want it to or not.
What should I do? I know one thing. I should NOT cover up lies. What to do?
the 144.000 supposed to be the prince and princess that ruled the heaven, while the rest will be just a “commoners” in heaven, thats how the wmscog explain it.
thanks KC. is this being taught in a specific location, or is this the official teaching now?
@admin
it is the official teaching for years, at least in asia it is.
They explain the multitude will be the servants of the 144k
it is the official teaching for years, at least in asia it is.
A few days ago my friend who is a member of the wmscog here in Bombay, India, was asked by her husband about the fact that 21st December 2012 has passed and the world still goes on. She told him that wmscog has not said the world will end but 2012 will be the end of preaching.
She was later preparing to go to her church for a teaching so her husband asked her why is she going if the preaching has ended. So she clarified that this preaching will still go on. It is the end of preaching to outsiders. I guess she means evangelization.
Brothers and sisters this organization’s teaching is not in line with actual scripture. The teachings are false and very convincing and very dangerous for souls. Too many secrets, no real clarity, and fear has become its number one tactic in keeping its members. This is not to say that some of the general Christian churches are not flawed; however, this particular organization in question has no real love in it and is a no, no. In due time it will reap what it has sowed. I do not speak out of ignorance – I was a member for a long time.
Thank you for saying that Sarah. Really ! God Bless you and welcome home.
God bless you and you are welcome.
Thank you Sarah. It takes so much courage to speak out. I hope others will as well. It is people like you who are the leaders.
God bless you. It was very damaging for me so I have to speak out in Jesus Name.
the people who celebrate Christmas is a bunch of heretics, but those who celebrate Ahnsahnghong supposed birthday at the same date were the right bright ones, now since wms claimed ahnsahnghong as jesus V2…. whats the difference then between the wms and the rest of the heretics?
don’t generalize please. i am from the church of God but i don’t call people who celebrate christmas as heretics. they just don’t know what it stands for and it’s understandable because people don’t tell them.
Hello fromphil, just wondering…the statement about heretics is a direct quote from the general pastor. Are you saying that you disagree with him?
Technically.. you’re a heretic.
then why the hell your leader tells this so?
I asked that exact same question KC. They always have a perfectly logical explanation for whatever they do. The pee ons never answer a direct question like that. They always re-direct to the Pastor or second in command. Then when they hear the official excuse from the horses mouth, they fly with it. Like the video justifying the New Jerusalem Book. It took them a while to come up with that one. LOL It was so much fun to watch them scramble and get nervous. Priceless when they get busted the crap they come up with. Now it’s right. LOL.
The real God Exist!
ASH’s hand-written notes are all in Korean. Is there a way to get them translated?
were u there to see them scramble? are you even a member? dont say something you can’t prove
He’s Jesus, of course he was there.
He didn’t say the “smallest” church he said the church with a “small number”. So comparing the wmscog members vs the christians of the world then the wmscog is considered a small number. Therefore not the smallest church is the true church. Just a church with a “small number”.
how many members does the WMS claim to have?
Aren’t you the expert? I don’t know why not you tell me?
it’s in the article above. 1.4 million. do you consider this a small number compared to other churches? also, where in the Bible does Kim derive his claim about the small church from? (i can’t find this one)
Well, don’t agree to it.
They were criticized by those who know about them and also former members. You are right in criticizing them, since they teach wrong and unbiblical doctrines and attack other religions, especially the Roman Catholic religion.
It seems they don’t want their evil exposed. As the Bible itself says, there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open (Luke 8:17).
Don’t let them win. Otherwise, they will continue spreading their evil in many ways they could think of.
May God bless you in this endeavor.
P.S.: It’s Yuri. I’m always updated here, brother in Christ. Cheers!
@ Nicholas: Thank you for sharing your experiences with this growing organization. Your testimony is very familiar and I am glad you got out soon enough. Any organization claiming to be of Jesus Christ or last Adam and last Eve as they claim, yet mentally confusing, is not of the Christ Jesus we know. I learned the hard way with them and grateful to God for getting me out when he did. God bless you and all who are bold in the name of the true Christ – Jesus.
Be patient surely the lord will come to judge the world but are u prepared to meet him with perfection thats important to recieve eternal life not the date or time
2012 is told to be the “completion of the temple” Which means all the 144,000 “mothers children” were found. Also it is said to be the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles. Moses told the people of Israel, ‘more than enough materials for the temple have been bought, do not bring more’ WMSCOG teaches the materials stand for 144,000. Once all the children are home this is the end of preaching. But im sure they are still recruiting ppl…..
@Donttrustzang … of course more and more people they’re recruiting. money in their pockets never enough so they need to fool more and more people
My girlfriend is deep in this,…
Wow…and then they go on and make excuses about how UhmSooln stole a peek into his original book, claiming to be the bride and also about how it wasn’t yet time for the “true bride” to be revealed! How could ASH write two extremely contradictory books if he was all well up there though? It frustrates me even more to think that there are so many out there who still believe in that obvious lie! mxm
@Frustated, Angry & Confused …. lying is a good business
This WMSCOGS they will end up in Hell soon, in Matthew 24: 36 says no one knows the when end will come, only God the Father knows why this evil men are saying all this? we know Jahng Gil Jah paying them more money, nonsense.
My daughter is in this, and I haven’t seen her for almost 7 years.
@ Mother of the Son…I would love to talk to you, as my daughter is in this church also, and has gone to Korea to meet God the mother. I have not seen her in 7 years…please reply.
My daughter has been in this for about 7 years…I also haven’t seen her in 7 years. We do talk on the phone still. She is not the same. We have had many arguments over her beliefs. I have given up. I love her and have asked to only speak of herself and not her faith. She has also been to Korea to meet her mother God. I hope one day she realizes what all it has cost her in her life, to this church.
How did u even get the legal papers? who are you anyway that you can access to all this things? Only judges and lawyers can get it, it can’t be disclose to public?
just think abt it,
Are you saying that court filings are not matters of public record in S. Korea? A simple Google search reveals that they are. This website provides a sampling of S. Korean cases and decisions that have been translated into English and published.
Are you ok? Why do you feel the need to grab at straws?
It goes to show you, [MR. JUST THINK ABT IT] just how sneaky your pals are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YOU THINK ABOUT IT<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Denise,
I am not “Mother of the Son”, but MountainMom. My son is also in this group. You can private message me on the forum. We should talk.
My ex husband joined the church roughly 10 months ago. He completely changed. He married a woman from the church only months after joining (she is a deaconess). We share a 10 year old daughter. He is trying to get my daughter involved in the church as well as his parents and other family members. He refuses to communicate with me whatsoever, as I have challenged his beliefs. It has become impossible to coparent as a result. He spends more and more time at the church and very little with our daughter. She feels pressured to attend just so she can see him, and also because he is manipulating and guilting her. I have spoken with my attorney and will be taking the case to court. Any info you can provide that would be helpful would be greatly appreciated. I am horrified by the situation.
similar story with my son…only the lie was that he wasnt getting married. They have married him off to a Korean girl that was not a US citizen and going to have to leave the country. We met her one week before we believe they married them…still wont be honest with us even after 6+ mths!
Denise, I am finding that our stories are very similar. I hope you check back and reply to me, I think I can help.
That would be fine Mountainmom…I would like to hear what you have to say and how long your loved one has been involved. Also you can email me. Admin set it up for me to contact another parent.
Help.. My Daughter who lives clear across the country has been involved with WMSCOG since August 2012. We are going to fly out and visit her soon and I want to know if there’s anything we can do to persuade her to leave this cult. I want to know the best way to handle things with her. Please give me any guidance you can. Thank you.
Joanne, private message me on the forum. I may be able to give you some information or advice. Anyone on here would be willing to help. I am in a somewhat similar situation as my loved one in this group is also far away, and it makes it tougher to help them. Anyway, if you would like to talk, I’d be willing to make time for you.
Please help me , my daughter is in another State away for college. And is a mbe of this church. She has changed so much in just 3 months. I need help and advice
My boyfriend has joined this church for about six months now and it is crazy how brainwashed he has become. I have showed him many articles on this website and others about the church and I know before they make you not even question anything, but I have started to get him to question everything. However, I still am not getting to him. I pray to god every day to open his eyes and let him see the truth. This cult is very dangerous. He is a completely different person. Always thinking the world is going to end and how he’s never good enough and devotes all his time to the church and a lot of money. Someone please help me to open his eyes. I have tried everything, but when he goes to the church they brain wash him all over again. đ
The best way is dont persecute him. Dont show him anything. Be fake. Now there’s a new psstor that came to re-vaccinate everyone. Whats his full name… I might know him
have you tried calling the cops?
Thy suckered me for 3 studies. I was pretty ticked when I found out about Ahsunghong. They kept pushing the issue of baptism, wife and I got baptized in this false prophets name, I just assumed the Asian guy doing the baptism was using an Asian word for God. I knew something was up on the 3rd study when I wanted to pray outloud before we began, and they insisted on a silent prayer. They revealed Ahsunghong near the end of that study after talking about how important the name we pray in is. I pointed out to him that I respected his beliefs for not praying in Jesus’ name but he was out of line baptizing us without telling us what name they were using. Oh well, I’m a hard headed person, we spent 2 hours debating the trinity, they believe the 4 are one entity, I pointed out that the 3 were separate and gave verses. Anytime it contradicted what he said, he just said the verse was a parable, or an example. I feel for those sucked into this group, keep this site up, you are a counterbalance to their ‘truth’
My wife just read this scripture: Titus 3:10-1 Avoid a man who is a heretic, after the first and second correction, knowing that one who is like this has been subverted, and that he offends; for he has been condemned by his own judgement.
i believe she is our mother… [comment moved by admin to the forum]
ohe fata jhut bolchas ramro sanga adhan garera hera. ma ithari ma auchu
I’m glad that you had the spiritual eyes to see through the lies before it was too late. JA be thanking God for having your back. This could have destroyed you. I’m glad it didn’t.
Man I feel LIke im in a 5 part movie lol Dont forget the bad guy always looses
That is my fear my wife has almost 2 years in this church.Her indoctrination is so strong 12 hour saturdays,also sundays preaching, and tuesday another day of separation from family and friends.She is planing shortly to go to Korea I can feel it my life is a mess after 30 years of marriage.
A.T. Please stop blaming other. Be we with your wife.
She will be happy. It does not take much time. đ
Pete, nothing personal, but get your head out of your a[moderated by admin] man. Huh ?
I know how you feel. After 15 years of marriage my husband got involved with this group and it tore up the very core of our relationship. He even fell in love and committed adultery with a female member who was preaching to him. When they separated he started going to the local Zion. There he was pared with another woman. He started having feelings for her as well and felt that they were being groomed to preach together. This was the most difficult thing that I have ever had to endure plus I developed health problems as a result. My advice to you it to love her with everything you have. You have built a relationship with her that is built on a covenant institutes by God. Your real, deep abiding love for her will over power anything that this group says it can give. My minister counseled me that this is a marathon, not a sprint. Keep doing your research for knowledge is power. Above all, do your best to not call this group a cult to her face, and do not argue scripture with her. This group uses effective techniques and programmed responses for just about every argument you can put in front of her. They use thought stopping techniques and circular arguments that can be frustrating. My husband and I were on the verge of divorce, blaming the other one to be at fault, and saying that if anyone was going to leave, it would have to be the other one to initiate it. God kept us together. I don’t know how, but He did. My faith in God deepened, my relationship with Jesus Christ increased and my prayers were answered. Hang in there, my friend, The Lord is with you. You are not alone. Grace and peace to you.
Wow…
A Mother who loves her son.
Thank you T.H. for your comments on December 5, 2012. I have been trying to find answers to my 24 year old son’s change in his behavior. One of his high school classmates is the leader of the CULT society church he attends. At first I thought it was a positive influence, but a year later – no job, no vehicle, no girlfriend, no friends, no apartment, no social life. He moved in with me in August and has not done anything but listen to music (his job making “mix tapes”) and not contribute anything to the household 5 months later. He tells me, his father (who I am divorced from) and sister that “we don’t see what he is doing” “we dont understand” A lot of prophecy talk. Being a mom, I have been very patient with my son because I love him dearly. This experience has created a division between us. I want my son back. I plan on keeping him away from this group as much I can in the future. Slowly seperating him from “the society” with God’s help, love and prayers. Thank you again.
Thank you for the complement. I have over a years experience with this particular group and its members. Most of the time it takes a combination of events to create an effective exit for the member. Keep doing what I suggested before. As long as there is someone on the outside that loves him he will feel that he has a place to go when he decides to leave the group. The other thing that usually happens is that the group does or says something that places doubt in the member. This whole “Father Ahn is coming back at the end of 2012” has been a biggie. Ask him how he feels about this. Don’t be confrontational about it! Be lovingly curious. See what he thinks and what they have been telling him. He probably already has his doubts but is being convinced that it is an attack by Satan to take him away from his faith in Father and Mother. Don’t be discouraged by this, just listen to him and show him you care. Keep strong in your faith and understand, no one stays in forever!
if anybody claim he or she been in wms for three years and NEVER been told about the 2012 end of day prophecy (2013 february if you want to argue with lunar calendar argument such as a those i confronted about 2012 when the year passed), then i can asume that person is either a liar or clueless.
and what sarah said is exactly correct, no denomination is perfect but this “company” called wmscog is not and should never even be considered as religion.
Wow… I’m African and was preached to and even studied a little bit about the blacks being cursed on the Prophecy of 6 day creation, yet I was also recruited. I was taught the Prophecy of 2012 as well when I in fact was only baptized in 2011. After seeing former member testimonies of people like Ron Ramos, I’m even more inspired to share my story as well since they are busy recruiting in Africa, saying that Africa is the last continent to be preached to and after that, “we are going home”…Nonsense!
yes that makes 2 times I was going home one time in 2000 and then 2012 lol
Thats nuts. I dated a black girl last year and she kept saying mother this mother that. She was part of that church and i even went with her one day. Apparently she is still apart of it. And me being an outsider they told me right away they believe that asian lady is god. After that i broke up with her. She said since the asian lady is god they must obey her, WHATEVER she says. So i was like what if she says you need to sacrafice your kids?? She said she would have to. Anyways about the black mexican thing they must have changed that. I live in new mexico by the way
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………………….Ron Ramos………………………….the Judas Iscariot of this age…………………………………who betray God…………Beware!……………….God’ wrath on the last day……….
Missionary Ron Ramos is 100% true this is happening. I am also in research and still a member from Asia now I will not tell my name and country. when time comes I will let you know many things.
Sam the sooner the better.
Glory to God, my children and I are free from this CULT!!!!!! I studied all the way up to SEVEN CHURCHES before realizing what was really going on. Our missionary also did not like the poor, or uneducated. He specifically instructed us to preach only to “quality people”. No, homeless, no ghetto neighborhoods, etc. This was one of the breaking points for me. They twist the word of God for gain. But the word is too powerful, and prayer still changes things because I never stopped praying for truth, and God showed me his word so clear as time went on, while also exposing the evil in our missionary. I am so grateful today. As much as I wanted to blow up the church, I prayed instead and was given the peace I have today. God tells us in Romans 12:19, Vengeance is mine….I will repay. So let us trust our Father, our keeper, the one who loves us most. The blood of Jesus has set us free, and even though satan is busy, God is still on the throne and will have his glory. Be encouraged, all you who have been broken and hurt by these vultures. They will not escape in the end, and I hope those who are innocent will be spared as we have.
Me, my 2 sons and my sons girlfriend were baptized in the WMSCOG church. we know
realize that this church is a cult. Do you know how we can get out? I am worried about it because we don’t want to be “stalked” by members. I am hoping that they just let us leave willingly. They wanted us to pick up and move closer to the church which is 2 hours away from family and friends. Thank you for your time, Tonya
Hhello, im a current member of the wmscog. I became aware of all this lies and how nasty the church is. I still go to this church because I have become more like a spy. Im staying-in for the sake of my loved ones. Ive been slowly encouraging my loved ones to grumble against and get bored and letting them make their own choice of wanting not to come back. The best way to leave without being followed is to not let them control you. Say you are working, minimize your activities with them, also showing them as if you are so thankful to father and mother. Just be fake, but care less. Gradually lose your interest and tell them you lost job and its a struggle to come for service… wmscog doesn’t like low class people and they are classified as ghetto people.
Ill remain a spy and im enjoying it. They try to control me, but im just having fun messing up with them.. they talk about satan infiltration to steal information. …. well… im not satan… im an angel
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well, good luck with that. Hanging out with them decreases one’s IQ (literally). So I bid you good luck, you’re going to need it.
You say your with the W.M.S.C.O.G yet your not you say?
Did you keep Passover?
O please I need to know?
You need to do two things. 1)Write a letter (each of you) stating that you do not believe in this groups teachings anymore and that you wish to be left alone. 2)You will be called and text messaged. Make very clear affrimations that you are not interested and to please not call or text anymore. Most of the time these people will just disappear out of your life. I have not heard of a case in the USA where someone who exited this group were stalked in a threatening way. They will try to get you back in but they tend to lose interest fairly quickly. How are you and you family holding up right now? There are lots of people here who are willing to share their experiences with you and your family. Most of us want to help if we can. Keep your faith in Jesus Christ and surround yourselves with others who share the same faith.
Please remember The Sabbath Day To Keep It Holy.
Keep it holy, by NOT going to this church.
There are only 2 Churches in the world and only one is the true Church keeping the Sabbath day. Do you believe this?
No, obviously.
Thank you for this site! My brother has fallen for this cult and is brainwashed. I pray that one day he too will see the truth and return to God and that he can help save people from that cult with the truth, like you guys are doing. Again, thank you, it’s a great resource but also let’s not forget to pray for these people, I saw how my brother fell, he loved all the conspiracy theories and connections he thought he was discovering. So glad to see this website destroy those lies.
I was at the same location as Ron, and was shocked he left being that he had been there a while. They are liars. No truth exist in them. Please get out of there……
I am not angry anymore as I use to be….I am now very concern about the members who want to leave and dont find the way out to. Also, for those who have left and feel confused of what to do moving forward. I am very happy that leaders are now sharing with us their story…I also believe thar everyone watching this video should add their experience in support to those who are struggling emotionally, spiritually, and physically..
I also am a former member of the cogwms. And I knew Ron Ramos, he even came to my house when they recruded my brother! My brother is chest deap in there sh#t!!!! He won’t listen to me because according to them I’m a lost sheep and im gonna burn in hell!!!
I really want to leave this church… But, I’m having a hard time in trying to leave because i build already friendships to the members of WMSCOG… And they know my address and always visit me. And they are conducting also bible study in my house… Due to some contradictions in the bible and their doctrine, i decided that i have to come back in my old faith, that Jesus is the only savior! nothing else. But, I’m having a hard time right now, on how i can leave this church. I try to ask many questions on them but they have the answer always. And they are also telling me that if i have questions, i will just ask them, and no one else.
You are just going to have to be hard. That nice stuff they do in front of you is fake. They know people are inherently prone not to offend someone they perceive is trying to be nice to them, thus they lay on heavy all the fake smiles and hand waves. Understand here and now that it’s fake. The friendships you have are built on sand and will not stand the test of time because you know in your heart that something doesn’t feel right to you. The only real friend you’ll find is one that will come with you. Best wishes to you.
I’m curious have you left?
After a week of participating in Bible study at the church, I was baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit, Ahn Sahng-Hong, and I entered my name and address into their “Book of Life.” As soon as I Wiki’ed the WMSCOG and realized who they were worshiping, I promptly texted my tutor and said I did not want to continue attending Bible study with her. She begged me to meet her for one more session to show me some verses from the Bible, and “for the sake of our friendship.” I said I would think about it over the next few days. A few days later, she texted me in the morning asking if I wanted to meet her that night. I didn’t reply because I was still thinking about it, so what did she do? She took my address from the Book of Life and SHE SHOWED UP AT MY HOUSE UNANNOUNCED, saying “I was worried because you didn’t answer my text.” WTF?! Now that I’ve read on this site about how the members are required to recruit ten “talents” to get more tithing to the church, I’m even more pissed that she came to my house uninvited.
they were sent as a test to open your eyes so that you never again fall for the devil’s trap. everyone who has been tricked into joining this satanic cult was approached when they were looking for God, for his answers, signs, and guidanceâso it is no coincidence that the devil runs to them to lure them away from our one and true God and his son Jesus Christ. i hope that you’re no longer trapped in this cult. Get out of there!!! talk to God!!! Repent and he will receive you.
I hope this entire article is read, the information is very urgently important.
This “Missionary” is highly suspect, the way that he talks is nothing at all like how all the Missionaries I’ve known talk…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
How is he “Highly Suspect” ? They begged the guy to come back.
Mt 14:31 …hombre de poca fe x k dudaste..
DIOS MADRE SI EXISTE POR QUE DUDAN ME DA MUCHA PENA QUE USTEDES PIENSEN ASI DE DIOS HACE 2 MIL AĂOS PASO LO MISMO NO SE DAN CUENTA QUE ES = POR QUE DUDAN DE NUESTRO PADRE ACASO NO FUE SUFICIENTE MATARLO EN SU PRIMERA VENIDA PARA QUE AHORA HAGAN LO MISMO……….!!!!!!!!!!!!! đ
yesi gracias por comentar,
deberĂas de informarte un pocos mĂĄs porque el propio Ahnsahnghong escribiĂł que no hay ninguna “dios madre” como tu la llamas. puedes leer el libro aquĂ en ingles. usa el translador para leerlo en español.
Hola hermana,
Quiero informarte que Dios madre es un fraude. La verdad es como tĂș dices Jesucristo es El Salvador y el Ășnico camino al padre. Aceptar el regalo del sacrificio de JesĂșs es libertad! Es vida eternal!!! Cuando habla de todo eso en la Bible de enigma dice plano allĂ que Jesus siempre fue el misterio. No es una madre. Jehovah es y todavĂa es Jesus es y todavĂa es!!! Y el espĂritu ya estĂĄ sobre todos por lo que hizo Jesus para nosotros!!!!! Jesus dijo in john 19:30 Al probar JesĂșs el vinagre, dijo:âTodo se ha cumplido. Luego inclinĂł la cabeza y entregĂł el espĂritu.
Mira cĂłmo dice hermana cumplido!!!!!! Amen! Si habĂa mĂĄs trabajo porque no dijo? Porque Jesus es suficiente! Y en hechos cuando habla del EspĂritu Santo vive en uno ya no necesitamos un pastor hablar a Dios por nosotros porque Jesus rompiĂł eso con su sacrificio!!!! Y por eso el espĂritu estĂĄ con nosotros guiĂĄndonos es por eso. No hay otro!!! Dice bien claro en la biblia! Cuidado hermana creer en esa mentiras. Dios te ama! Y el te quiere! Y el tĂ© estĂĄ esperando que tu regreses a Ă©l y a la verdad! Pero todo es tu decisiĂłn! Yo voy a rezar para ti! Dios te bendiga â€ïžđđŒđ«¶đŒđđŒ
Me and my family are about 7 years attend services.
All good . By the way, I work in fraud detection.
It is your choice to believe or not believe.
You are right when see it as a bit strange church ( do not forget that in Bible Jesus himself and his students were called sect. Nothing changed since then.
So, do not worry and be happy :-).
Peter, I’m glad to hear you are in fraud detection. There is lots of fraud around and you should be able to realize it. It seems strange that you would equate this group with the Nazarene Sect as the similarities don’t seem to be the same. Fraud detection? I’m not worried but I will be happier when you are out of this group with your lives in tact. Take some time away from this group and its teachings, clear your head, and then reevaluate the group and the situation you are in. This has to be a total separation and you have to do some honest unbiased research. The minimum time out of this group in order to clear your head needs to be eight weeks. This is the minimum and I would strongly suggest even longer. As this is a search for truth you should have NO problem doing this. Are you really in the truth? Are you really of the free woman? The time to find out is now! I hope and pray that you do.
jesus was pursecuted because he claimed to be god not for lying.. the WMSCOG is not getting the same persecution. This is happening because they lied about many things. smell the coffee this is not persucution that crist went through he did not lie.dont you think if they could prove what they claim they would. like some leagal document proving their history?? the church only has a 50 year history. They should have no problem doing so. do you live by faith alone. if the church lied and altered the outcome of my disition, then it was not by choice i stayed. because I would have left long ago if they told me the truth. they altered the outcome and changed my disition because of many lies over 15 years. thats not freedom to belive and thats not truth.
im a former member here in southeast asia and they teach that the more you get fruit(new members) more blessings to come, and in the video sometimes we watch there is rank in heaven? prince&princess?but for God we are all the same , we are all God’s children đ
im a former member of wmscog for 2 months in southeast asia, in the start i know there is something wrong for example every clean up majority of the member is cleaning but the korean pastors
they are watching us taking picture, i hate it
they use us to make their image good .
by the thanks because i find this website its God’s will đ
Same was true for me. We had a “clean up” in Washington D.C. in January of 2012. The big problem was that there was nothing to clean up in the area we were assigned to clean. All we did was put on WMSCOG t-shirts and take tons and tons of pictures. It was a turn-off for me, a newly recruited member. This group is only capitalizing on promoting themselves, not in doing good deeds.
I actually wanted to cry watching this… Not because everything that Ron said happened to me, but because I know Ron and can see how much pain he is in. I Sat with him. I studied with him. I was a member of this church for about 10 months between 2010 and 2011 and was one of about 15 people in a group led by Ron or Missionary Ron as we called him. He was always so calm and gentle and soft spoken. Just like he is in the video… I always said I would remain there till things stopped adding up or my questions couldn’t be answered and it eventually got to that point. Indeed, Ron was one of the few who actually gave me the “later, we will study about that” response on one or two occassions to my questions. Or when i would ask why certain things were not told to me up front, they would use the example of someone who has been blind and taken outside the minute their site was restored; how bright the sun would be and how it will affect them instantly. For me, the major defining moment was when i confided in a deacon about the life struggles i had endured and how I was practically homeless at the time but was yet so thankful that i knew God and had the church… I told him this during a study session as a way of showing my Faith and how devoted I was. Less than 5 mins after i left, he had gone over to the Pastor and told him everything i said in confidence, who in turn called the “brother” that recruited me (my closest friend at the time) to confirm everything and ask that he (my friend) not bring me back to the church. Of course, he didn’t tell me himself (just like Ron said)… My friend was heart broken and fought for me to stay by having to convince the pastor that i was a “good brother”. Obviously, he was never supposed to tell me all of this but he did when i saw him about an hour later and he pleaded with me not to leave. But for me, something was broken. I wondered if how i could stay somewhere that deep down i knew i wasn’t wanted. I wondered if it was because of my social status at the time and what i couldn’t give financially. I stayed for a few months and even the deacon that had betrayed me came back to beg for my forgivness and take responsibility (with none going to the pastor). I soon started noticing other things including the fact that as far as i could see, only Koreans were Pastors. When i asked a couple of “brothers”, they gave me responses like “why does it matter” or “the church started in Korea”…. Answers that made no sense to me. Anyway, i was never just a 100% comfortable there. I would preach to Jehovah’s witnesses and prove their teachings wrong, but was not 100% sure of mine and eventually just left. Thank you Ron, wherever you are
hey victor, i was the deacon who you shared that info with about being homeless. I remember that day vividly and it hurts me still till this day because your were open enough with me to share something very private as we shared a moment. I just want to say sorry again and that my actions were really an extension of the church’s influence since we were repeatedly warned about homeless people having wrong intentions in the church. i saw your sincerity but at the time i was merely a drone solider trying to be faithful to a cause i felt strongly about. None the less i too am out of the church and trying to move on, I hope your writing is going well and that we can continue to share these things to began our healing process. God bless Victor.
How dare a church, any church, kick out a poor person because they’re poor ? I don’t give a damn what they ask for help with; Electric, Water, Gas, Food, petty cash ect…HOW DARE ? This is preposterous. Sneaky snooping bast[moderated by admin].
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Hey Guys
You don’t notice something this is a sect and in fact they just need persons to recruite more persons since all they need is your $$$$. They use the Bible as an instrument and make belive people that they are following crist, but it is not true. They don’t have faith since where is their love for others persons who need help.
And this is not the love CRIST – OUR REAL CRIST ( not that one that they cold with this name ) showed when he was in this world.
TKX
Really ? We here @ Examining hadn’t noticed. Wow, thanks for pointing this out. Maybe we need to study more.
Yours,
Inga
Be careful on your words. Because you are not God who knew the beginning and the end. WMSCOG is not like that!!!!I saw with my two eyes how they love, how they serve, and how they lead people to the truth.
Mike, what finally brought you out of this group? Was it something that was said, something that was done, or a combination of the two? Please share your story with us.
it was a combination of experiences, but what culminated everything was there excuse of why Ahn had to write the book about there being no mother. They said a women sneaked a peaked into AHn’s bag and stole the most important truth of our church from God. That was my last straw, i couldn’t believe almighty God who foresaw the scheme of Satan and Died on the Cross intentionally to save me couldn’t foresee this women sneaking into his bag. And when i asked about it they said “well father was made perfectly human”. I guess saying that since he was in the flesh and couldn’t see it coming. Which is ridiculous because even though Jesus was limited in the flesh he was still all knowing and all Seeing. Also they had no biblical explanation for it either, It wasnt even a prophecy this women basically tricked God almighty and stole his truth. This brought my attention immediately to the first chapter of what we call ” The green book” (Mystery of God and the Spring of water of life) Ahn explains that he locked up the truth and appointed one man to reveal it just like King Nebuchadnezzar forgot his dream and GOd only revealed it to Daniel. We teach that Ahn Came as King David to unsealing the 7 thunders which ultimate through a lot of studies is God the Mother. We also said that if God sealed something God is the only one who can unseal it, So basically they would have me to believe to God almighty set up the GINORMOUS!!! prophecy and made a plan only to have a women ruin it? and its not even a prophecy that she would? I just couldn’t go for that, it was apparent that they hid this knowledge intentionally because it is problem and whats worst they had no biblical explanation for it. Cause several months ago when i was in the Church i would’ve believe that. If they tried to explain something biblical now it would be a year too late in my opinion. Plus I had been in the church for over 7 years and i knew about 2012 and was told and preached to about it. yet the church lied and denies that they ever taught that. Also IN 2006 the Church said 144,000 were already Gathered, this is contradicting because they are now saying 2012 is completion of the temple meaning 144,000 are Gathered. That didnt makes since as well and when asked i could get no answers on that. There are many other reason but what i know 4 sure is the church has definitely spinned stories and told lies. And i couldnt be apart of it anymore. for Years I rationalized things in the church myself to make it make since, now it is the churchs time to give proper answers. They have been failing to do so so far. ( this is in response to T.H.)
Welcome back to reality. Talk to your friends that’ll still talk to you and talk fast.
Mike, I would greatly appreciate your (or anyone else’s) input:
I recently began meeting with a member of the group. I am a devout Catholic, and made it quite clear that that I have done much thinking and studying to reach that conclusion and would not be swayed. They are aware of that, but we have been meeting to do Bible studies(or more like debates) nonetheless. Do you think there is a chance they have doubts, and are intrigued/inquisitive about how their beliefs contradict scripture at many points? Or do you think they believe they can break me down overtime (which I assure you they will not)?
What is the best way that I can have dialogue with this person without panicking them, or causing them to be fearful? From my research, it also seems that they believe Catholics to be evil and the Pope to be the anti-Christ. If this is the true belief, can you explain to me any possible motive for them to desire continued contact with me?
I want to find the most effective way to be a witness and friend to them, and show them of Christ’s true love, but am not exactly sure how to best proceed.
Ellen, please be careful. You are playing a dangerous game. A catholic friend of mine allowed this pair of Korean kids into his home to preach to him. He intended that he would help them to realize. Unfortunately, his wife accepted all their anti-catholic stuff and joined them. Now the family is getting emotionally torn apart.
Don’t underestimate them. They do not debate logically. When you point out a flaw, they ignore it and jump to another allegation.
hey ellen, I wouldn’t recommend this type of approach. In that setting it would be very hard for them to understand anything. what ever good point you have to bring up is simply reported back to someone at the church for scriptural advice. And there is an explanation for everything. I’d point out some of the things you see on this form though, and some of the things i pointed out in my testimony. It will be very hard for them to explain that. But don’t count on any change. They look at their experience with you as a growth to better their ability to preach if you decided not to listen. They have to willing come out and realize what they are in, i’m betting they are to young and zealous to truly hear any points you have. Good luck and be patient, understanding, kind, and available. that is the best medicine in my own experience. Also if you have questions let me know, i know a lot about this churches doctrine.
Yeah–“Wrong Intentions”. How dare a poor person want to find a proper church home where they can pray and find hope and maybe get a little physical help. People walk in and see pics of Jesus (of all people) tending to sheep or Jesus at the last supper and think they’re in a Christian Church. Ever wonder why they don’t have pics Ahn breaking rocks in a church suit, I mean, this being the final age and all. Then they have the nerve to talk about the Pharisees and the Sadducees being arrogant. And, what is so inherently wrong with society today that so many of us fall victim to such obvious bull[moderated by admin] ?
so much for preaching to the poor it’s all buisness no work no church no 10% no membership
This is so ridiculus!!!!!! The B.I.T.E model is more influencial then the Holy Bible?
you are all so week in faith…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
first of all, do not believe anything the wms have to say about “sake of a friendship”, there is no such thing as friendship in wmscog, if you are not deemed profitable enough for them or shown signs that you are not that easy to coax or dupe… they WILL leave you just like that.
this is, unfortunatly, true. In my personal experience. And it actually hurts my feelings since I gave up friendship I had previously because they refused to “listen to the truth” I have completly lost contact with my father for the same reason, I left a great career and am struggling to find my way back in since I left so irresponsibly. The longer I am with them, the closer I thought I was to m “real” brothers and sisters. But when real life issues erupted in my life, I was ignored. When two of us members were trying to let each other “vent” about life, my deacon pulled me aside and rebuked me saying, “don’t get caught up in members personal lives. That is satan’s way of attacking the church.”
You know I eitn deaconess congratulating a sister for leaving college and her scholarship to preach.
Oh yeah, my spouse still attends and believes so occasionally I will go. We have done so much for that church; we have given rides to members 30 miles out of the way, we have spent hundreds of dollars on food for the members, we have spent hundreds of dollars on lawn services, equipment, plants – yet recently our vehicle became disabled, okay? This past week, we were told by the church leader that they would call on monday to let us know if the church was open. NO call, we saw though, that another member was with the churhc leader preaching. We called the church leader 17 times this week. No answer, no return all. Today we were contacted by a member, whom we’ve taken home countless times (20 minutes out of our way) and he said he would come and get us in the morning for Sabbath day. He called back this evening and said that – he couldn’t say why – but the church leader had JUST (MINUTES) CONTACTED HIM directed to not come and get us.
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wow.
We immediately contacted the church leader … no answer. we called the member back, he refused to tell us why. We contacted 7 other members, … no answer. No call back. These are members that have told us that the loved us like physical brothers and sisters. But when physical hardship came our way and we could no longer afford to give them every minute and dollar to them. Its so sad really.
I forgot to say, (this was my main purpose in writing.) We had a new member in november get an $8,000 student loan. I witnessed with my own eyes, her sit with the church leaders and plan how to use the money. She was very out spoken about not planning to attend school. She bout a used lexus (which broke down after 4 months) and she spent alot on shoes and food for church. Now, … shes being evicted.
KC, that so true. That is exactly what I am going thru now
This is true. if you say a bad thing about a leader you are kicked out, if you have a good income you become a deacon. Lol. Even if you say bad things about the leaders.
This is literally true. When I first ‘came in to the truth,’ we made about $7000 gross monthly income. Now our particular office church there were less than 20 regular members and of them, many were students, unemployed, or worked very low paying jobs. At that time, many of us were studying the sermon book at about the same rate. I was no further than anyone in fact, I was a couple of subjects behind other members. I was asked to become the announcer and begin teaching new comers. within a few months, I began to ‘work in the gospel more diligently’ because it was 2012 — and you know what was taught back then. In fact I actually resigned from position. I focused solely on the gospel work. We had basically zero income. But we were at Zion daily: preaching, praying, and studying. Guess what happened?
Yeah, they removed me from that position.
Fast forward three years. I have that income again – or the potential to have that income again – and I am told I would make such a great gospel worker. Please do this please do that. Do you know what happened? I lost my job. and then, (it’s boarder-line comical) they won’t even answer my calls.
The saddest part for me though: I kinda believe a lot of whats taught and since I can no longer tell the real from the scam it makes me (like many others) not have a desire to want to attend any church or know go. It makes me have a more clear understanding about the agnostic.
Futureexmember, welcome. Please post on the forum here so more people can see your testimony. You have a compelling story. I am very sorry that the wmscog has soured you on any religion, but at least you are seeing what is wrong with this one.
Later you will start, hopefully, to catch on to the inconsistencies in their teachings. You already see what I’ve seen: The words in this church rarely match the actions. The members are victims, not bad people. They are victims and are being taken advantage of. I know what you say is true.
a true goddess on earth smiting the non believers with lawyers and lawsuits…. what a fun loving swell goddess she is.
ed144 , Can you email me , i would like to get some questions answered. You’ve been in the truth for 15 years , im sure some of my questions can be answered . Thank you so much
My Dear Brothers and Sisters, we don’t have to read the whole Bible [this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
Well, if you’re going to take away from Gods Word we know where you’re going to spend eternity. I hope you like dark and miserable.
Hello, I am currently a member of the wmscog. 2 weeks ago I gave birth to our first born child and I havent returned back to keep worship. One of the sisters from the church has been bringing sermon dvds so I can worship at home. I have been with this church for 1 year now and I full heartedly believed in second coming Christ and Heavenly Mother. Now after stumbling upon some information (which I was told to ignore) I am second guessing everything. Im really torn between what is the right thing to do here. For years I have been searching for truth in religion. I believe in the bible with all my heart. I have yet to find a church that holds on to the TRUE teachings of Christ. If this WMSCOG is false, please tell me which church is correct. Which church keeps the passover, the feasts of God, the Sabbath day, veil teachings etc. Honestly, I understand how many people are deceived about religion, but no one is raising questions about Buddhism, Hinduism, Greek orthodox, Catholics, all other forms of Christianity and the many denominations that stem from it. WHAT IS THE REAL TRUTH? I don’t want to follow falsehood and have my baby receive the wrong baptism.its extremely difficult to leave this church because i dont know what other church i would attend. i dont want to leave this church and lose my faith completely and fall into temptation and sin. I need more valid information in order to make the next decision. thank you
Hi Laura,
It’s being a year since you wrote this post, but I’m curios to ask. Did you ever leave the cult and did you find a different place where to study the bible, would you please post an update..??
My reason to the question is because, before I lost my girlfriend to this cult I went in for about three months and took studies but I was never fully convinced of their teaching. I should mention that I was a Catholic with less than basic knowledge of the bible. I’m too critical and too analytical. I use a combination of belief, logic and common sense, and I do plenty of research as well, before making a desition. Unfortunately, my girlfriend is a strong Bible believer like you and she’s not much of an analytical person as I am, therefore, I ended up losing her.
Thanks
Hello,
I was never a member of wmscog, but am affected greatly because of my own brotherâs participation in this church. He is a robot, unable to think for himself and with almost a masochistic nature-always looking for bad news to confirm predictions of the end of the world. It is nearly impossible to talk the truth into him.
At this point, all I can do is to walk in the light of Jesus Christ: love unconditionally, and speak the truth without arguing-keep it short and sweet. I noticed that when I bring up too many Bible Scriptures to my brother, our discussion gets worse. No matter what, all the lies can only be stretched and twisted so far before they snap.
My heart goes out to those that are afraid to leave this church even thought they have a feeling something is wrong with the teachings of wmscog. God is with you, protecting and guiding you. Donât be afraid to leave. Start your mind with a clean slate and ask yourself if all that youâve learned makes sense. My brother admitted that âa lot of brothers and sisters leave for reasons I donât know.â So, to all those who just donât feel right in this place, trust the Lord Jesus on this one. Plus, the sooner you leave, the more you may inspire someone else who is doubtful in your church, to leave too. Remember that the longer you participate in this church, the higher the potential of leading others astray. We must not become stumbling blocks to each other. I would feel guilty if I knew something was wrong but still preached what wmscog advocates. I seriously donât want someone elseâs blood on my hands!
Anyway, another concept that scares me is whether or not my brother will be alive before he opens his eyes to the truth. I havenât been sleeping well because of this thought. My brother has such a good heart and a thirst for God, that my heart would be broken if he died believing in 2 gods. Seriously, we are all alive by Godâs grace and mercy, and Godâs mercy is strongest among those in wmscog. I will continue to pray in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, for all those affected by wmscog.
This spoke to me so much because my eldest brother is so sucked in and I feel helpless! Please pray for him too and I’ll pray for yours.
don’t just pray about it, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!
dying while in a cult like wmscog worshipping man appointed false gods is just a very unfortunate situation and fate. for surety HELL is the destination.
Believe me when I say I understand your confusion. One of my family members was involved in this group for about the same amount of time as you have been.
Which church keeps the passover, the feasts of God, the Sabbath day, veil teachings etc.
This is one of the big trapping points of the WMSCOG. They make you believe that if a church is not doing these things then they are a false church. If this is true then Paul was misleading people when he spoke about things like womens veils. He asked the question, is it right that a womans head should be uncovered? Then he said that if God blessed a woman with a head full of hair it was as a cover. He followed up this information with a statement about women having to cover their heads saying that we have no such custom. Please don’t stay trapped by the misleading of the WMSCOG.
Obviously this group is trying to keep you plugged into their program but I want to encourage you to take some time away (at least 4 months or more) let your head clear, and then do some in debth research. You will find that most of the things that the WMSCOG have taught you will not hold up. The Bible doesn’t support some of their teachings, history doesn’t backup their teachings, some of their teachings contradict other teachings, and their own man made god doesn’t support the claims that the WMSCOG has made on his behalf. There are too many things wrong with the WMSCOG for them to be a real church much less have the “Truth”. There are many of us here who are willing to help you through this difficult time of discovery. We are not here to put you down or make you feel bad but to build you up and support you. Thank you for reaching out.
Hi. Could you please pm me on ways to separate from this church? They are persistent and no matter what I say they keep telling me that it’s in the Bible. My friends are part of the church and I basically go just so they don’t turn on me. Some Bible verses or things will be helpful to refute their beliefs
Romans 6:9 CLEARLY states he can not die again. Now before WMS try and give their spin on things, FOCUS on the scripture. They believe Ahn is 2nd coming CHRIST. So, then he can’t die again IF he were to return. Ahn died. More importantly, WMS lied about that to. We were told that he left for China on a train, and that counted as “Ascension”. Then, it was revealed that he died of Natural causes. He is barried in South Korea. By definition, ascension does not deviate toward a descension back to Earth. Wms lies and lies.
Congratulations, Laura, on the birth of your first child! What a blessing! Becoming a mother (for me) is such an amazing moment of overwhelming love for such a tiny and precious gift from God. It is also extremely exhausting :). Thank you for posting here. I can hear the sincerity in your “voice” and felt compelled to reach out to you. I understand, a little, of the confusion that you feel. I have been a life long believer and follower of Jesus Christ and have experienced several different churches and religious theologies. When my husband became involved in the WMSCOG, my world was turned upside down. I made a commitment to study the entire Bible from beginning to end on my own. Spend time in God’s word, just Him and me, letting Him reveal his love and wisdom to me without outside influence. It has been an amazing experience and my relationship with The Lord has grown in amazing ways. I admit that the few WMSCOG teachings that my husband put in front of me has shaken my understanding, and after over a year of study, I am still searching.
When my husband was attending the WMSCOG, our relationship was horrible. We almost separated. But he is out now, and our relationship is growing stronger every day. I understand your concern for doing right by your child. I feel that everyday for my children. Our relationship with The Lord is a lifelong journey, a marathon, not a sprint. I know that a lot of churches seek to teach God’s Word in the way that the early followers of Jesus did. I am not sure if there is a one true church. It is my personal experience that I tend to stay away from churches who claim to be the “one true church” because the people have seemed to be better or above all others. This is my personal experience. I believe that God speaks to our hearts in individual ways. We are uniquly and wonderfully made. For me, Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and life. In my studies of the WMSCOG’s teachings they didn’t fully line up with God’s word as He revealed it to me.
The first few weeks and months of new motherhood is a wonderful period of adjustment. Your body is going through a lot, physically, mentally and emotionally. I would say to you, if you are questioning things, to take this time to just be with your new family, get all the rest you can, eat well, and read the Bible alone, in context, without supplemental influence. Let God speak to you through His Word. I find the Psalms to be uplifting. Also, John and Hebrews are fabulous reads as well.
This is what I believe with my whole heart – guilt and fear are not of God. If you decide to take a break from whatever church you are a part of you should not feel pressured from your peers. God will never leave you or forsake you. He knows our hearts, and that is where we meet Him. This child is a gift from Him. I cannot believe that a person will lose their salvation if they take time away from attending church to take care of His precious gift to us.
Enjoy this time with your newborn. Sleep when the baby sleeps! Trust me on this :). Spend time in the Word. “We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28. Yor are in my prayers. Grace and peace to you.
WMSCOG has two options with this verse…they either have to accept this passage as referring to Christ in the spiritual sense or physical sense. If I’m not mistaken, I believe they take the spiritual angle. So they have to swallow the whole verse from that angle yes? So either…
1) Death does not have mastery over Christ in the physical sense which proves that Ahn Sahng-Hong couldn’t have died again. Or….
2) If we take the spiritual approach, we’ll have to assume that death had mastery over Christ from a spiritual point of view.
There’s no in between. You can’t chop up the verse to fit your WMSCOG view.
i’m currently attending the church of God. i thank you for coming up with this blog. because of this, i realized, there are people who were concerned about me. had the time to read all your articles… just for me. i have encountered this people you were talking about (not the real one’s, just same attitude). people with same religion doesn’t mean they have the same personalities, don’t generalize. that’s what i realized after reading some. when people see a different person, they are curious right. they ask. they look for answers. its normal. when you clothe yourself with some daring and a conservative look at you with contempt, they will smirk and instantly hate you. its normal. because you are both OPPOSITE. its all normal because we live on this earth. we live by the rules PEOPLE set up for this world. but did you ever thought about the law God set up for this world? so that we will live bound by His rule? it’s one of the Good thing i’ve learned in the church of God. to atleast follow God’s will and command. the sabbath day is one of the things i’ve learned. sabbath day is saturday (you can search in your own). it is the 4th commandment. the reason why people worship God on Sunday is because Jesus’s rose on that day. but then, it is not sanctified in the bible. if we set aside the sabbath day and worship sunday, why don’t we just disregard the 10 commandments. so we can live on OUR OWN, bound by our OWN rules. but all in all, i understand your blog but then i have to like it, right?
there was a wrong typo. it should be “i don’t have to like it” anyway, right now, i have learned many things in the church of God. if you believe in Jesus Christ, can’t you atleast do the 10 commandments? have you asked yourself, if you had one thing accomplished among the 10? if you had, keep it up and it doesn’t hurt to do it all, besides, what is the LAW of PEOPLE compared to the LAW of GOD?
Again, thank you for commenting. The issue of whether or not believers in Jesus Christ are bound to the Old Testament Law has been debated again and again over the years, but it should not be debated at the bottom of this article because readers may have difficulty following the discussion, and the issue is not directly related to the subject of the article. Feel free to post your question in the forum.
You have every right to disagree. But I am concerned that since you are a new member, you many not be fully aware of all of the inner workings of your church. I suggest that you join the forum and discuss your thoughts and opinions with other members and former members. I am glad that you are reading information that is critical to your church. That way you can make sure that you are making an informed decision about whether or not you remain a member.
Hi Phil, it’s a strange coincidence that you would post about this now. In the forum there is a brand new posting that talks a little bit about your group. Check out: “There’s hope for the WMSCOG but will they realize it?” Glad you’re here, this could be really good.
i guess i’ll be looking at this website from time to time. i learn a lot from here. by reading others opinions/facts [this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
I was in an amazing relationship with a girl I met during high school. We lived in central California growing up, then she moved to LA for school 2008, I moved there a year later for the same reason. After living together for about 10 months in Korea town, downtown LA, I went home back to the central valley for a visit. When I was gone she had met a missionary for wmscog at a bus stop. They got to talking and he convinced her to go to church with him. I forget his name but he was Korean and an older gentleman. Anyway, I was visiting home for about a month and Mari was telling me she had been going to a new church, over the phone. We both were going to a catholic church downtown the previous few months while I was there. I didn’t think much of the change, other than the fact that she loved this new church, and was baptized very very fast. When I got back to LA she was different. She kept preaching to me and trying to convince me to join wmscog, but I wasn’t having any of it. She didn’t like that. She wasn’t as close and our private life got very uneasy. Eventually I gave in and we both went to the LA branch wmscog. When I was there I got separated immediately from her and she told me not to tell them we were living together and were in a relationship. She told them I was her friend from school. I met a few people or “brothers” and they were nice, then I talked with the Korean man that recruited Mari. I sat with him and Mari in a secluded room and he and mari had their “New Song bible”. We talked about our beliefs and why mine were wrong. He tried explaining through his own views and interpretations of psalms and parables in the bible. He didn’t tell me much about the church itself though. He just waned me in. After about 2 hours of that it was time to pray. I sat by the Korean man during prayer, and the prayer surprised me very much. It was a loud Korean chant at times. Not what I was expecting. Prayer ended and eventually we went in the room to talk again. He wanted to baptize me that day, that moment. He had been asking me to get baptized all day. I told him no and I wasnt comfortable with it. I said I would be back for another church session and we could do it then. I just wanted him off my back after a while. As i was leaving, a black member came to me trying to covince me the church wasnt a cult and it all came right from the bible, it was offputting. Everyone was nice at the church, but I could sense something in all of them that I could never figure out. I felt like “these people are nice, they shouldn’t be here”. I never went back. I don’t remember a whole lot of what happened because it was in July 2010, and I just started thinking about this again recently. Anyway, after that Mari and I weren’t ever the same. She told the church that she was living with me and who i really was. She got very very distant after that little conffesion. About 4 months later I had to break it off because she was so distant to “wordly things”, including me.That church changes people. She had so many new beliefs that I couldnt wrap my head around, and she belived them with a passion. That teally disturbed me, seeing her emotions get taken over and her not realizing it. I hope she has gotten out of the church by now. I hope that anybody who is reading this that has any doubts or questions, is feeling vulnerable, or needs to feel comfortable with their thoughts know that wmscog will use and minipulate those feelings and emotions of YOURS towards their benefit. Everyone is good and has love in them. Take an unbiased step back and listen to the people who love you.
Stop doing this things…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
I remember Ron. I used to go to the WMSCOG back in around 2007. Ron is a very nice person. So were many of the people that I remembered in the WMSCOG. I feel bad and sorry for the people still in the WMSCOG. I hope and pray for Ron and all the other people that have come out that everything will turn out okay for them.
their teachings are no secrets, there are videos on you tube of their teachings and members on you tube giving their testimonies..Their teaching are open to the public and non members… I know cause I was a former member and the teaching on you tube are the same videos they used in their church.
Yes the church does take over one’s marrage. I am behined you all the way and will testify to my own marrage falling apart because of the church. I have alot to say because I am a victom myself.
Tim, I am MountainMom from the forum. I would like to talk to you if possible. You can contact me by private message on the forum if you would like.
just wait for the judgement to come. & we’ll see. ’cause only few will be saved and it will be those who are in the side of The Truth.
Judgement will come very sure and certain, yet many people are with WMSCOG, they don’t have to wait for judgement because they are already condemned to a very grievous penalty. If the god who is subject to worship is not the GOD of Israel, in no way that people can be guided to true salvation and paradise. Worshiping a dead or living person is actually paganism. Never that the Bible teaches such.
Thank you đ
Not to be the stick in the mud or anything, but If they are suing due to defamatory remarks, and multiple slander cases… doesn’t that mean that someone went out of their way to do that? I mean every church goes through persecution, Christianity has been going through it for hundreds of years. I don’t think that church would just get sue happy, unless something over the line was done against them in a major way. Unless you are a Scientology member, then you sue everyone for disagreeing with you
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or wmscog people should repent in order to qualify for salvation. not anywhere among the laws of GOD handed down to mankind allows the worship of a dead man and his concubine. it’s the greatest unforgivable sin. evaluate where you gonna be if you’re still with this church of satan.
Hi. I just want to share my experience as I was approached by a few Elohim Academy students about 2 weeks ago. As I was walking on some street, they approached me and one of them handed me a Tablet (as in electronic device) and asked me to answer 7 questions in their survey. As I answer the questions, some of the other members of the Academy were preaching the gospel to an unbeliever next to me. I knew the person was an unbeliever as she answered “no” to all the questions they asked her about — like whether or not she knows the existence of Mother God and Father God etc..
The questions in the survey(paraphrased)include:
1. Do you have a religion?
2. Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
3. Do you know about the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit?
4. Do you believe in the second coming of Christ?
5. Have you heard of Mother God?
and others.
Then two of them (college or university girls) showed me a video about water of life and the water can only be given by God, and specifically Mother God. they then referred me to Revelation 22:17 which says that “the Spirit and bride say, “Come!”and let the one who hears say….. let the one who wishes take the free gift of water of life.” It’s a video full of catastrophic events and saying only God can give water of life.
I was skeptical, as I am a Methodist Christian and attends a Methodist church, I trust only God’s Word, Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity. I’ve never heard of Mother God. Something even weird is that they say Mother God is in South Korea right now.. I was like “What??” I was thinking, ” if the so called mother god is a god, wouldn’t she be everywhere? why specifically and only South Korea.”
But I didnt rebuke them, I just listen to what they all have to say..
So, I went back home after that and did my research.
so here’s what I found, an article talking how a person rebukes the WMSCOG’s members.
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=5110
Now, back to the Revelation 22:17. The verse mentions about the bride. I asked them, who is the bride? they tole me immediately the bride is the Mother God. But in the video I heard it was said, “the bride is the CHURCH” !
Their own video contradicts the message they are conveying if I have not mistaken what the video said.
Anyway, it’s for you to decide whether or not to believe in the Elohim (which means Gods)– Father God AND Mother God concept.
OMG!! this is terrible, just reading all this make me very afraid for my best friend who just join the cult. She and her whole family got baltized. I went to a concert there just to please her… and my overall reaction was that is was TOO damn perfect! Something must be wrong. my teenager dauther who also went with me told me that she felt “weird” Now, I am trying to learn as much as I can, I know this cult is up to not good.
I would like to personally invite Ahn Kwang-Sup to the United States!!! I have a spare room at my house.
I would love for him to speak to my daughter who is brainwashed by WMSCOG. My 1yr old and 4yr old grand daughters are the TRUE VICTIMS. They are the ones who are reaping severe unhealthy consequences from WMSCOG.
If Ahn has any compassion for others he would consider this invitation!!! I would like to invite him here but the link to get in touch with him is in Korean!!
que pena da saber que supuestos estudiosos de la biblia esten en un grave error el de no reconocer lo que esta escrito muy claramente en la biblia pena por ellos ya que dios madre y dios padre siempre estan con nosotros dios lo bendiga mucho
What a shame to know that these supposed Bible students are making the great mistake of not recognizing what is clearly written in the Bible. Pity for them now that god the mother and god the father are always with us. God bless you much.
Wow watching this video seriously helps, wasn’t easy leaving a place like wmscog knowing that i wasted some years of my life. i want to go back to college and trying not to let this place discourage. i feel so bad knowing that there are people i care for deeply that have wasted/waste their lives and 10% of their income every sabbath believing in lies and drowning in guilt and fear because of this place… when will they wake up and realize the lies? what do i do when i see cult members that preached to me preach to my friends on face book? still a little paranoid and don’t want anything to do with this cult that takes down all of your information after baptism. and that threatens peoples lives in secret. last conversation i had with a member, i was close with the member and they told me in my own bedroom that if they where able to murder their family members and get away with it that they gladly would…… that week i googled the words brainwash and slowly started to wake up, i left “Zion” on my own and WASN’T KICKED OUT. i was slandered and lied about in the church after showing a few members the meaning of a cult and brainwash thank goodness they woke up around the time i did. it wasn’t easy leaving, still in shock and it’s been some time.
I gave 12 years of my life as a member, my kids were raised in the Church.
I’m angry, sad, hurt, mad, i feel like I deceived my kids by misleading all of them. I wanted to do what was right as a citizen and a child of god. now who is the creator? An be a good example. Instead Ive lost 12 good years and now I have nothing to show. I gave my time, money, sacrifice, jobs.
So what do I do now where do I turn now? I need to know more; is there a law suite going on? I heard about a movement this is my life! my kids life. when I don’t wanna say father n mother I still say it. I told my oldest son yesterday this truth and he was heart broken. I find myself crying feeling embarrass, this is messing with me mentally and emotionally. Do you have a therapist for me? 12 years I cant talk to no one cause I feel like a straight fool. I believed in Elohim. A false god idolatry
Thank Diane and Ron I love you….
Thank you very much that you knew the truth. hope all members of wmscog will know very soon. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. John 8:32
I am looking into this church as we speak and I see many issues in what they say, many words moved around, added words which gives a complete different direction of thought,, they use words like we/us/our/mother/father and this makes your brain fix on themâŠFor example people say âlove of money is root of all evilâ but if you add the correct translation and add the words in front,,âlove of money is the root of all evilâ this gives a complete different meaning. This is what they do when I listen to their videos and the use of scriptures. I grew up as a Jehovah Witness but I left 15 years ago with plenty knowledge and when I ask questions from the bible they cannot answer, they keep moving round in their answers. They twist things to suit Ahn Sahng hong and there so called Woman in Korea. For me its fact and more knowledgeable that Godâs name is Jehovah and the COG focus more on the mother than God himself. Jesus said hundreds of times that praise goes to Jehovah than himself. The songs I heard in the COG focus on the Mother as if she has more importance than Jehovah..This after time brain washing you to forget about Gog himself and his son⊠The woman above is God woman like Jerusalem where he gathers his children is plainly seen in the scripture. Jesus said he would never return in the flesh againâŠThere are so many errors I can see and I am not a Church goer any more, but I do believe in Jehovah Jesus and the Bible. What I say to people is to research words from the bible in Hebrew and Greek against there or any teachings and you will be able to see a more accurate translation and meaning..For me is what I have done, and the more I study the more I convinced my old teaching of being JW is was more correct…However before you question my words, I am referring to the bible translation, not the doctrines of JW as like all religions Doctrines are from men..The bible is he only key and when you find a church using the truth words you have research, then your heart will feel good.
Glad to hear that you came out of JW and see some similarities with wmscog. Just wanted to make a quick comment on what you said,
“For me is what I have done, and the more I study the more I convinced my old teaching of being JW is was more correctâŠHowever before you question my words, I am referring to the bible translation, not the doctrines of JW”
I would like to help you out just a little by telling you that the JW have actually made their own bible translation(NWT), in order to better fit their religions beliefs. Hope this helps!
Do you know the scripture where Jesus said he would not come in the flesh again?
People say that “money is the root of all evil” the Bible does not. The Bible uses “us” when God speaks. (Creation of Adam and Eve, Tower of Babel). You say you believe upon the name of Jehovah and Jesus. Then you must also believe upon the name of he Holy Spirit. That being Second Coming Christ.
Wow what a moving comment. I am so sorry for you and your family. Unfortunately, these things happen. I think now you know what Matthew 24:23-26 means. Let me reassure you that God is real, he is just not Ahn Sahng-Hong. Let Jesus mend that broken heart! You have probably been taught so many false things while being a part of that group. Here is a very helpful link to a 12 minute video to get you on the road to true recovery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXOWyjB7d24
May God bless you and your family.
And of course this member that said this about their family was receiving a lot of “persecution” from their family and friends which made them feel like doing something that chaotic . Because of this “persecution” this member was receiving it also made this member feel closer to the “church” . my advise is if you have any family or friends in this please don’t argue against them about this “church” show them that you love them regardless and stick by them till they wake up because when they do wake up they’re going to need support and to be heard. I didn’t receive much “persecution” from my family and friends because they all knew what was going on and knew that they would have most likely completely lost me if they spoke down on the “church” or spoke down on me. They supported me all the way and even bravely attended a few sermon with me wisely not feeding into the propaganda and lies. I was i Zion member for about two years.
One thing i found extremely fishy after leaving was that i noticed people being recruited from the military/army/air-force/marines…. i find that to be a bit creepy after reading about what koreans use to do to Americans during the Korean war. Koreans would use brainwashing techniques with propaganda to turn Americans against their own people during that war.
North Koreans did. There were basically no South Koreans left in the whole country except behind the Pusan Perimeter and 53,000 American Men lost their lives to take back the country.
[CASE CLOSED] As if it weren’t already. They need to speed up the phase out.
Thanks yes this is what we were taught.
Why don’t You translate the whole book? specially the preface…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion]
yup this is the exact teaching the pastor gave. “This is the year of prophecy” Really?
Thank you so much for sharing your experience!
I left WMSCOG more than 7 months ago, but still they would show up at my doorstep sometimes, call me, message me and say they would like to have the Passover with me at the end of this month (I remember them telling me last year that it was going to be the last Passover – does this mean “Mother” lied or is she a bad prophet?). I told them the same things that you told them in the end, but I am not that fortunate to be let alone.
I already contacted the city’s help center for cult questions and will have a consultation there soon.
Still I am fortunate to see the truth through your words and the truth about God through the Bible. May God bless you all.
Welcome out of there. Thank the real God. (Seriously) Do it.
Yes, Genny, this is Topsy,
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I was a member of WMSCOG for the past 6yrs..I was so into it with my lil kids all these years..I ve lost my husband few years back in an accident and i ve been through a very rough phase in my life but i still stuck to this organisation so badly coz my family members all belong to RC..i never took part in any of my family get together..I was never told abt the church’s history in depth but recently a month back i came to know from other members that Mother and Father have been married and had kids..i was thrown out hearing when asked the deaconess she said we were worried how bad u will feel when we told u but she forgot that there many out there who knew of this..after this i did my research on net and i couldnt go to sleep for few weeks now..I am left out..My life has gone haywire..dont know where to start with..I feel so stupid..I cannot go back to my family and say that i left the church, coz i was preaching all my family members very deligently. They will laugh at my face now..few calls from them i never bothered to return them or ans them..they showed at my door step without informing asking me to comeback but i ve lost faith on them..I pray to God that people like me should check and research before getting into any group like this..theres too much to say but i ll stop now.
I am 100% sure & i know, we were taught about end of the earth on 2012 by head paster for nepal.
what is your stand now that the world did not end in 2012. is tehre an explanation given to you by your church why it never ended last year? I believe they do since they were very certain that the world will end last year. Or maybe they might have an explanation why if for some reason there might be a delay? i really want to know.
I also need some help here!!. Can you send me e-mail about how to pull one of my family member out of this church.
I am afraid the one I love gona quit school soon because of spending too much time in the church.
what happen with this web page few days ago this examining wave page were not working properly. I had a bad feeling that WMSCOG gave enough money to close this website. this examining site is providing many good information so this thing should not be happened. keep up to date.
The website underwent a DDOS attack.
Hey mike im still in the church im goin on 3 years I got a lot of questions wat do u mean a woman stold his book I didnt understand that?
Repent brother Ron ask yourself why did you get baptized in the first place becuse of 2012 and fear or because you realized it was the truth remember passover sabbath the 7 feasts if this is all a lie then please show me in the bible how else can I recive eternal life? Remember what Jesus asked peter u do not want to leave to.. To whom should we go. I will pray for you Ron sincerly your brother
It’s too late for him! He has slandered the Holy Spirit đ I feel so sad for him. He allowed this greedy, money hungry man to tempt him. My heart is broken for him.
My heart is breaking for just how badly you are missing the truth. Why is it that when someone finds out that things don’t add up that this WMS judges them so unfairly? Talk about burying the wounded.
It’s too late for you fool!
That is not true, my friend. If someone repents from worshipping this false God Mother, God will forgive. If you read Hebrews 6:4 it would appear that Blaspheme is the unforgivable sin..it is only if one turns away from God’s Holy Spirit forever. Read vs.9, and you will see that God is always calling us to salvation. Also, read Heb. 10:16-18. I hope this helps. A person, even a true Christian who was deceived into WMSCOG, can come back to the Father. It is NOT TOO LATE. God clearly shows us HIS heart concerning this matter in the story of Prodigal Son. In the words of Jesus, “Has no one condemned you? Neither do I”…or “stop sinning, or something worse will happen to you!”
You have studied the bible so diligently and still failed to see and understand that before Jesus Christ persecution and death. There is only one thing he asked for us to do. That was passover it was the only thing he to do in remembrance of him. As far as the feast he was busy preaching on those days not keeping them . The sabbath is the one thing we know from the bible that he kept as it was his custom. For many of Missionary Ron, DeaconTyron and , Deaconess Diane. Brought many fruits to this church including myself. I saw their sincerity like I see can still see it now. I have no regrets in walking away from the church. I am at peace with myself, and can only continue to pray for the real lost sheeps. For Jesus came and also set examples he spoke and preached to the poor, the sick, the sinners, Jesus said that which you do to the lease of my brothers you also do unto me. Never turned anyone away
The Passover is not required; the Apostle Paul is clear on this matter in Galatians Ch 1-3; the Power of Matthew 26:20 is not in the bread and wine, as WMSCOG teaches, but in His broken body and shed blood on the Cross. Salvation come from realizing the Lamb that was SLAIN (REV 12:11 and REV 13:8); for without THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SIN (Heb 9:22) Peace to you my friend and I hope this helps…for whom the Son sets free is free indeed! The bread and wine (last supper)was only a shadow for the New Covenant that Jesus was bringing. Jesus said to do it “in remembrance,” not “do it for Salvation.”
Oh Edgar, you are taking the wrong approach with this. In Gods Word Jesus spoke, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” How do you receive eternal life? You must accept Jesus Christ into your life. Gods Word also warns us that if anyone comes preaching a different doctrine or saying Jesus is here or there, don’t believe them. Ron is finding a greater truth. Please do the same.
How do you go from being a prophet, to being Jesus, to being the Holy Spirit, married with Children. Very confusing.
Everyone don’t believe the lies there is only One God and the only way to get to him is through jesus christ God bless
This is not a christian church. It was founded by a man who made up his own version of the truth. Do not be fooled by this “cult”. Only if one believes in Jesus, his father and the holy spirit will one go to heaven. No earthly person can make/break your journey to heaven unless you let them. Jesus warned us of false prophets and Christ Ahnsahnghong and Zhang Gil Jah are just one of many mortals decieving the children of God – the God that died and rose on the 3rd day.
WMSCOG uses history & science to prove everything they believe in…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
Edgar…we were baptized because we had trust in the church to tell us the truth. Now they are saying Ahn LIED in the book “problems with new jerusalem..” The more you stay, the more and more you’ll see the lies come out. God Bless, hope u see the truth soon
Truely seeking God, Please please tell your family and then enjoy the real love of God from them. They will welcome you with open arms. when I told my family all they said to me was “I know” and that was that. They always listen. Blood is thicker than water and your blood family loves you so much and will be so excited to have you back!!! Enjoy your family!!
Hey chato, in the church they say a women named um soon in peaked into Fathers boo and basically impersonated herself as God the Mother. Thaats what I meant by ” a women stole his book”
Hi, Im so happy to have found this site. I love that you provide valid information to help us to help those stuck. I have a sister who is in it and very gullible and now she is trying to pull my cousin in, but she seems to be doing it secretive. I have printed out so many of the information on your site to give to my cousin, so she can read for herself. My cousin is already pulled in by the scriptures and “facts”. how do i get my sister to see that this is right? she wants to always have a debate and show me the same scriptures over and over. Please help! so far I’ve started off by just praying for her…..
(Continuation)- so I thought its Satan trying to tempt me to like a sister but I kept my mind to focus in Father & Mother because I didnt want to displease god (I even wore my best suit…which the 14 year old brother caked on purpose…>_<). Oh and btw im this 14 year olds "fruit" in lancaster). So we continue service and everything and I served brothers and sisters with a willing respectful mind and "serving others without wanting to be served" chatted with a couple of brothers because we couldnt touch, hug, or anything our sisters (few sisters hugged me sometimes but brothers would rebuke me all the time…) because it would "cause us to think sinfully" but what I never understood why cant we hug our heavenly family if we hug our Earthly family who apparently is a "copy anf shadow of whats in heaven…" So it was an amazing day and I really enjoyed it I even got to watch "Mothers Sacrifice" which I really liked it and was sad because it was a play that explained how we joined Satan to threaten to Kill father and mother. After that brother would then me "poly poly" or "hurry hurry" because I didn't want to leave Sunland Zion, then we went to the nearby park and played basketball and stuff our team was "Zion" and the other people who wernt in our church "Gentile" in the end we won lol… Then "Mothers" birthday came and we celebrated with a little feast in Lancaster Zion which is infact a house-church. Then in Dec. the International Cleanup Campaign in the City of Inglewood, came on Dec. 30, 2012. Abc 7, La Times, Telemundo, was there and over 100 members from many Zions said the Famous : "We love U" " We love Abujee (Father)" "We live Amonee (Mother) I was on the right side close to the front… I really enjoyed the cleanup and me and a brother kept lacking because we were "cleaning good". Many people thanked us wearing Yellow vests [our group] and it was really fun cleaning the streets. In the end we gathered a lot of trash and left after saying goodbye to many..
and again some sisters about 13-16 attracted me alot and in my head I said “away from me satan.” (We were taught that it was us not satan who caused us to sin.) And then after we started leaving it turned from warm day to a freezing day. Which me and brothers and sisters thought Father and Mother are pleased and gloryfied and protected their children with warm heat. So then I cant remember if it was on Father’s Birthday (Jan 25) which Mother sent us a message it was very sad and touching and all of Zion was shedding tears including me… We all stayed silent after it was over and didnt talk about it becaus it was deep. Then at that point my relatives who I am still living with wanted to know “where wms were coming from” so Deacon came to house and they talked alone. Yes my relatives are Catholic which I honestly dont believe 2 cents about because they made idols (no hard feelings people). Then after that I started having trouble with my relatives about my church mutiple times I consulted with Deacon and he told me to tell them (tbh: he had very good reasons). Then couple of days later my relatives told me to research about wms so I did and first website I came was this one and after searching endless hours intill the afternoon to 3am I was very shocked to have found Father and MOther had children… I started questioning the church and it started making less and less sense. Yes I still kept Saturday and Tuesday service and appointed prayer times (10:00am,2:30pm). Then I had a little discussion with 2 brothers at a local MCDonalds, at this point I had written some stuff of what I saw in my research. And one member (hes a senior in highschool) offended me and the other was patient but I could see it in his eyes and I knew something was up. This brother was recruited by the 14 year old’s big Brother who is currently Student Group Leader in LA Zion and now in Course 4 (thanks to me being his fruit because when someone has a fruit it is shared among 2 members)… So he took the paper and gave it to Deacon so he can talk to me
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later on in the week. Then after couple of weeks passed intill my relatives were 1 tiny step to kick me out because I threatened to call Family Services (I got this idea from one of the members) and I finnaly cracked out crying because I was having too much depression and didnt know what to do… I literally was planning to run away and kill myself… But I couldnt because I asked a brother if suicide was a unforgivable sin and he said no.. And then I left the wmscog on I believe March 5 of this year, it was a Thursday. Then brothers called me on Sunday and text messaged me but I didn’t respond because I didn’t want to answer and hear more drama from no one… I just wanted to have a childhood because I was always alwayd mature. And I said you no one fu’ church I want to have fun in highschool.. Then Passover came which I regard as important because of my point of view… They called me that morning to give me a ride to Pasadena/Glendale where the Passover was to be kept. Never went. Got to admit they are nice people but they decieved me… (Deaconess is Korean.) I still see the 14 year old member at my school and we hangout but ima stop now because I don’t want him btching me lol… But anyways some new songs I like but I re wrote them to fit into my love songs I like making… Also I preached and studied (got three subjects confirmed) I was very dedicated and talented and I preached like if I was a Pastor… I invited my friend (girl) to go to the church the Saturday before Christmas and he preached to her the entire day but my bro (16 yold, teacher aid who has like 30 subjects down…) studied to her about Christmas and thats where the problem started… I explained to her that Birthdays shouldn’t be kept but its like watever… While my bro would tell her its bad… So essentially she went home and showed her parents and her parents being Catholic condemed us and grounded her… So it was his fault not mine… Glad she didn’t stay though…
But to this day I don’t go to that church even though it made sense… My relatives wanted to throw the books I spent more than 30 bucks hut I told them they could help me in the future if I am to fall to this crap again. So thats my story lol… Hopefully admin puts it in order how I commented… xD also the 16 year old teacher aid told me some Missionary in LA Zion “fell away” which they didn’t tell me but it is you Ron… I probably heard about you Mike not sure though…
Mike are you Deacon Mike who left lancaster? Im just wondering lol
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that’s also what’s happening with my brother and his mother. they are really into it that my brother almost came to a point of not going to school because he believes that end of the world is near and he will not be able to experience graduating from college.
i would have to agree with anne,remember when jesus was crucified,one thief asked for forgiveness and begged to be with jesus in paradise and right at that moment the thief was forgiven and promised to be with jesus in paradise. So i believe that no matter how big our sins are but if we accept Him as our Saviour then trully we will be saved. We do not need to live in fear that if we do not complete all the feast or missed a passover celebration or if we dont praise Him during the sabbath or call Him Ahn sang hong that we will not be saved. Because God is a loving and forgiving God. He does not descriminate nor limit people who will be saved. Because He gave us our own freewill to decide and contemplate on our Faith. Because true Faith does not insist which name to praise because faith comes from within. And this jesus that I have been prasing and praying never failed me and made me feel outcasted during the times that i faltered on my Faith. He gave me freedom to praise Him. And I know that as long as I believe in Him that i will be saved.
I just joined this church and idk
Seems pretty weird
People around me keeps warning me that this is a cult.
Hi Questiel- Im a former member of 4 years. The actions of WMS,by far go against what they preach. If you want to hear my story please PM me. Have a good one.
Today, I was approached by a Korean as I was coming back from work. For some reason, I decided to do his survey. I was a little surprised to see that it (apparently) was about Christianity, because it asked questions that at a shallow glance would seem to be used by Christians to initiate outreach. They were questions such as âDid you know that Jesus commanded us to celebrate the Passover in order to receive eternal life?â and âDo you know what 666 means?â. Then the questions got a little strange to me. Next up was âDo you know what Jesusâ name will be when He comes again?â, âDo you know that Jesus second coming will be from the east?â and âHave you ever heard of the Heavenly Mother?â. Red flags went off.
Did they really receive the award in the end? (other than Ridgewood and New Jersey)
This site doesn’t have the truth!! It’s wrong!!
G, can you be a little more specific? What content on the site do you believe is “wrong”? Please post in the forum. Thanks.
prove it, or YOU’RE wrong. That is all.
Proofs already presented,what’s more proof you need. You’re brain isn’t working. Probably already tortured by love bombing which is a tool of WMSCOG to control everything in you and by that you’re intelligence become dumbness of thinking.
remco9519 in case you’re thinking the comment I made was for the admin, you’re mistaken. That comment was actually for G. The one who commented “This site doesnât have the truth!! Itâs wrong!!”
cheers…
Well state your facts, just don’t say something is wrong and not do your own research to disprove it. It is ok to admit that you have been believing a false gospel 1John 1:9 says that if you confess your sins he is faithful and just ad will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Come to Christ my friend!
Reading this is truly heartbreaking…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
I was with the Church of God. They said to me the world will end in 2012 too and my teachers said nuclear weapons and talk of war in the media were signs that the world was ending in 2012.
When grasping at straws or trying to provide proof some people will latch onto anything that might make their point. Nice work on testing the information. One of the seven seals talks about one third of everything on Earth being destroyed. Historically you will not find that this event has taken place. If people are trying to prove “End Times” this would be one of the major hurdles that they need to get over. The other thing is that we are not supposed to worry about the “End Times” just live our lives as if tommarrow will never come but at the same time in a way that honors Jesus Christ. Be at peace my friends.
The main fact is that Jesus Christ is coming back soon. The end times has been going on for some time now, and what we view as time is completely different to what God our Father views as time. He holds it in His hand, while we keep track of it on a calendar and a clock. He does with it what He wills. But the truth in all of this is that Jesus Christ will very soon be back to judge us, and the time of Repentance is now. Don’t take this lightly because your life seriously depends on it. Eternity is forever, and the choice is yours!! God Bless you
i’m a college student here in asia, i was hanging out on a park when some members of WMSCOG approach me two weeks ago,, they preach to me about Sabbath and Passover, they were in the same age range as me,one is younger actually, so, say i just had no problem paying a li’l time to listen to them, i admit i really just got curious, after then, they took my cp. no., my fault!, and then we meet again 2 days after, this time they brought me to their church so we could study their and since its so near in the area, i never thought that i’ll end the day up being ‘baptized’,i remember one telling me about my eyes being covered by my sins that’s why i could not see the truth–just to convince me, at that time i feel unease already, as if they will never let me go until i agree, i’m really hesitant i ask them if they cud let me think about it first or even let me consult it with my parents but they’re really so pushy,
after that day of being baptized, i started to attend Sabbath, and study sessions, i’m always being taught by one of the girls that recruit me,,
at church everything seems so ‘perfect’, everyone’s seems so friendly, they would tell me if i study harder, put more effort in studying God’s words, i could actually be like that also “refined”, maybe even be honored to visit God the Mother in Korea, i was like, Yeah,yeah, but then, i still have many questions, some they would answer “in time” or when you read the book of truth,
they preached to me, told me to abide the laws of God, attend Sabbath(morning to night)which i really cant do, pray at scheduled times, to believe only the teachings of church, etc.
i started to feel uneasy day by day, i start to doubt reality even the life i’m living, that what i do “hobbies, plans, even studies” hinders my way to God, this grumbles in my mind everyday, and yet i could not talk to anybody about it because i’m supposed to hide the ‘conversion’ thing, another thing that presses me is how they’re leading things to me, studying, eventually preaching, like time is always running out, so many souls are dying, that i should study more if i want to also save my loved ones,
and it seems that they hold firmly that only 144000 and “others” are going to be saved,, (that “others” i don’t know how many, the sister just told this to me),
the “others” are supposed to serve the 144000 in heaven,huh?? i mean striving to be holy but fighting sits on 144000 to be served?
the sad part is that there are sisters their i met who shares that their parents don’t know they come to Zion, a parent even thought that the girl is working on a job somewhere, another one confessed losing all friends outside Zion,and none of these is addressed as problem,,apparently this doesn’t even matter to them
i’m afraid if i don’t cease it now i might traverse the borderline of sanity, because of all the mind exhaustion i’m experiencing lately,i mean is this the kind of thing ‘God’ would want me to be?, thank you former Missionary Ron Ramos, by the way i was too afraid use internet lately thinking its source of evil that’s why i haven’t come to know this amazing things,, just until now ;D, thank u, for opening my mind
Steven goes on to explain that mind control is a tool that destructive groups use in order to manipulate members and create a new identity where the âlocus of controlâ is no longer within the individual. Through his many years of research, Steven developed a tool called the BITE Model which is used in order to help determine if a particular group is a destructive mind control group.
People are so quick to claim this is a cult [this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
This IS A CULT without exception, my friend. I recently left Zion. Two things must be present in a false Gospel…1) The divinity of Christ as the Almighty
(which Jehovah’s Witness does) and 2)the SHED BLOOD OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS, THE SLAIN “PASSOVER LAMB” for the REMISSION AND ATONEMENT OF SIN(which WMCOG has clearly done by substituting the bread and wine EVENT in place of the suffering on the cross). Isaiah clearly testifies that He was “bruised for our iniquities…the PUNISHMENT that brought us peace (not eating and drinking) was upon Him. Now, respectfully and with gentleness I say to you, there is nothing wrong with honoring this Old Testament tradition if it suits you, but you will never receive Salvation in so doing. If you read the entire book of Hebrews, the theme is about the REALITY OF ENTERING REST THROUGH JESUS’ ATONEMENT AS THE NEW COVENANT…and clearly there is no one I have met at WMCOG who is in a mindset of rest.
if wmscog is not a cult, then all in it are bullshits and foolishness. where in the bible it say that a dead person can be worshipped as god? where among the laws handed down to mankind stating that mankind can worship a harlot lady as god without being punished in hell? wmscog and its people are all idiots, lunatic and retarded. why don’t you read the scriptures by yourself at your own pace and time rather than being taught by members of a criminal enterprise.they sure gonna mislead you. joining this group is real very dangerous because one will lost all spiritual welfare, add to this time, energy and hard earned money. why? because they are committing the greatest unforgivable sin against the true GOD so they will all go to the lake of fire.
I respect your opinion. BUT…….I will ask you a one question.Did they disrespest you? Then if not, why did you not respect them? Actually, you are the true bullshit and foolish. It is because you don’t know how to respect anyone.
My ex is involved in this cult and trying to brainwash my 10 year old daughter. It’s crazy the things they [and she] do and say to children and the guilt they use. As I’m reading this, I realized that many of the things she was saying to me are the exact same things you are quoting them as saying to discourage discourse and are obviously just regurgitated immediately, to defend their beliefs.
Crazy, crazy, crazy…
If u realize, the number of WSCOG website and their cult website is really increasing and they are “competing” against one another. They are a cult and they are not a true church they only make their members believe that they are the only true church in the world. Pls do not step into their church . It will be total darkness
You’re absolutely right and correct. And not only their websites increasing but also lots of blogsites including that Cult Research Center which is not actually a research center. Internet is an excellent medium for promotions and advertizing. Too bad if people fall to WMSCOG traps. Anyway, let’s join hands in keeping people well informed of the dangers of this destructive organization. It’s the least we can help.
I honestly ask that Ron, please really think about all the prophecies you have studied…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion]
buenos dias…..tengo un primo y me hablo tan bien con la biblia que cadapunto lo va revisando con la biblia…[tu comentario fue transladado al foro para continuar la discusiĂłn, por favor, Ășnase]
Wmscog people should stop all that “we are offended by all the persecutions and its us against the world” acts, i think its YOU people who should stop your habit of dissing other religions, you want to believe a Korean woman as your She-god… then its your choice, whatever float your boat.But all that being offended while at the same time keeps offending other religions that sometimes really worked on my nerves.
Oh i always use to write in capslock, sorry for your misunderstanding:)[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
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Sorry again for capslock i use to write in capslock:)[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
Hello Ella. Perhaps you should visit the forum and continue this discussion. It will be easier to do that there than to let it be mixed with all other comments here.
EMIL, hi I don’t need to go to forum i already gave my last statement…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
ELLA your comments not been deleted, they have been moved to the forum as previously noted. Duplicate posts will not be approved. Thank you.
Ella, your original statement is in the forum in entirety. Nothing has been removed. It has only been moved. You will see a discussion on the various bible bases you have provided. If you have such a strong belief in Mother, why do you fear to come to the forum and participate in the discussion? If you are right, you will save so many of us too.
thank you but i believe that ahnsahnghong was married to zhang gil-ja…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
gentaporco, please follow the link in your comment above and join us in the forum to discuss this.
LOL, where are all of you getting your information??…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
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I remember it well when it was announced that Missionary Ron had “fallen”…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
I wonder if you were told that pastor john had a meeting with all the leaders in the small sanctuary, to inform us all that if missionary Ron or Deaconess Diane tried to call us. Not to respond or talk to them. Because I sure did. Why go to such extreme if their hands are clean. As I sit here responding and reading all these testimonies it all fits like a puzzle. But I second guessed myself so much when I was in the church. Not anymore. I know that The one and true God means well for everyone on this great earth, he is a god of peace and love. And open his heart to everyone no matter color or culture or financial status . because it’s your soul/spirit he wants not your money.
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Find the answer to this erroneous accusation here!
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Come and find the answer to this erroneous accusation!!
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Come see the discrepancies in Hassan’s and Ron’s statements.
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Page 2 (Part II) â The WMSCOG provides a description of the activities of the organization. In contrast to the application filed for Los Angeles, California, a worship schedule is included. In section A paragraph III, the application states, âAfter every Saturday morning service, the feast is prepared by the pastorâ. What feast could they be referring to? The Sabbath is mentioned in addition to the feasts in verses like Nehemiah 10:33 and 1 Chronicles 23:31, therefore it remains unclear why the âfeastâ is prepared after the first service every Saturday.
Tell Romeo, that his link to Colons lawsuit was not posted because…[this comment was moved to the forum for further discussion].
Wow! I dind’t know there was this site.
I left WMSCOG because there is so much they are demanding the members to do (a lot of them has to do with giving money). They make it seem like god’s love is very conditional.
Anyway, about this article. Their teaching is that the 144, 000 are the ones who will go to heaven without dying. Like, they will just go to heaven in their “transformed-into-angel” bodies and be princes and princesses there. While the other member who were not “qualified” to be in the 144, 000 will be part of the Great Multitude that was written n\in the Book of Revelation. They will die, then go to heaven as lesser souls.
This is the reason why I left WMSCOG.
They say all the tithes (green envelope) and the service offering (blue envelope) goes to mother, and the offerings (brown envelope) goes to the local zion. And if you are an active member (like, you hold a team) there is another monthly monetary contribution for the food, electricity, water, etc. And in the zion I went to, there is still another monetary contribution for the construction of a new building (like, AREN’T ALL THE OFFERINGS ENOUGH?. Even the Pastor’s phone bill is passed to us active members! And yes, if you want to go to Korea, you pay for your own expenses.
And they absolutely HATE it when someone gives coins for offerings. One deaconness told us that mother doesn’t want our coins. It always has to be paper bill. The bigger amount, the better.
I remember the construction offering, the food contribution, the picnic contribution.. The Zion offering is for the local Zion and it’s branches. So why is there a separate contruction contribution?? Whenever I said I didn’t have any cash left they would tell me to go to the ATM down the street. It’s ok to leave Zion on the Sabbath to go get money. If you left to go get food or a new member or something other than money, you might DIE. Right.. Right..
I recently left. Very recently. I still have family that attend, not sure how it’s going to work out yet. But, I was just thinking about this the other day. There is the 10% Tithing, and it’s on EVERYTHING. I was taught you give 10% of All Income, Bonuses, Taxes, even Gifts. If you were given a Gift Card, you give 10% of the Amount of the Card or if a Regulat Gift, Find it’s Value & out of your money give 10% of the Value. You’re taught that it is all Gods, & all he asks for is 10% so if you don’t Tithe, you are stealing from God.
You are also expected to give an Offering at every Service, it adds up Fast, especially during the feasts.
We also had to buy all our books, veils. Groups took turns buying & making meals. I found out recently even the big flower displays are paid for by a brother or sister who has been blessed with the honor of picking out & buying the flowers for that weeks display. They took donations, always calling it an honor or blessing, to make renovations for the new church building.
I wondered often about how much they make with all the tithing, offering and ‘blessings’ and what they do with it.
i am thinking of leaving the church. I see the leaders buying $600 suits, $150 shoes, new cars (Leaders financially supported by mother) then they turn around and ask the members: buy the food, buy the cleaning supplies, give me $ for construction, give me $ for utilities, buy all the kitchen supplies, give me $ to give to pastor for the future house churches or you will die for keeping an idol in your heart. You will not go to heaven. Children’s teachers buy all the supplies for your class, bible teachers ask all the members in your group for money to give for food during the week. Its sad. The leaders only give a little to house church, and their tithe and offering on sabbath and feasts. They were taught to make the members pay for everything.Its disgusting.
My family left last week. We were therr for 4 years. Our first overseer was a very Odd man, as he was in his mid twenties, but looked almost 40 (all Ovrrseers are even taught to look the same). He was excommunicated, but we were told, “Mother wants him to go to Chicago Zion”. We found out that he had been making advances to the female members. We then had a deacon who was really common sense, become overseer. He was generally a good guy,would talk about “regular” things, including his fav sports team. Then…we switched him with a Korean overseer. We had been warned. He would make racial comments, jokes etc. Rude “harsh” jokes toward brothers and sisters. He would always pass it off as, “Isnt this how family talks?”. Ive seen him scream at members etc. Not to long ago, he purchased a very high end SUV. Shortly after he came, we moved into a new building. Our church could barely pay for ita own Oil bill in the old building….but we moved to a new big zion with a 7k a month oil bill in the cold months. BUT….we were encouraged to “Pay our own oil bill”. Whenevr we bought something, it had to be “New”. Even tools that you could buy used, or at a consignment shop…no. New.
It’s all your own thoughts. You wasted your salvation because of non-sense reasons.
Wasted? There wasn’t an ounce of Salvation in that place. Stop hearing what you want from exmembers stories. Look at the big picture
To christian, medal and awards are not important.
but COG is proud of medal and awards…
A pair of ladies came by my home tonite proselytizing the message of the WMSCOG. It was quite disturbing to see a beautiful young lady confuse herself with theological explanations about “God the mother” while also trying to please her Korean handler. If she had continued for another minute, I believe she may have lost consciousness. That is how emotionally worked up she had become. To me, I think the religious control applied to her during her door to door presentations prevents consideration of actual truth. And the feelings she mistakenly experiences during these emotional states only reinforce her belief that what she is feeling is, perhaps, divine intervention of God the mother. When they left I prayed to Christ the Lord that their eyes would be opened to Jesus.
I am still a member.
I have been for one year.
I have been passionate about God since I was a pre-teen; I even heard the call to the preaching ministry when I was in the music ministry as a teen. As fate would have it, my life took a different path, though my desire to know truth had remained.
I had all but given up on organized religion when I was approached by members of the Church. Because I had so many question that were unable to be answered by the leaders of the Churches I had belonged to or visited, I was NOT interested in attending a church that was lead by a couple of early 20 year old people. And I made that clear. However, they continued attempting to overcome my objections, and like a good recruit from a Multi-Level-Marketing organization these Zealots tried every response until one resonated with me. And then I was hooked. I was willing to attend their study. I was willing to learn their doctrine. I was willing to judge the teachings according to the teachings of the Bible. Since I am the type that likes to be prepared before entering a debate, I found my way to this site and a few others and thatâs where I discovered the Second Coming Christ (God Almighty) and The Lamb (Heavenly Mother) Doctrine. So I was actually prepared and advised them to not show me those. Show me other bible truths which I had never seen and I would judge those to be true or not according to the discernment of the Holy Spirit and my understanding of the Holy Scriptures.
The studyâs that led up to my baptism and the techniques used to lead me there are not the topic of this post, so I will skip those. Understand though that within a couple of months I was baptized and within a couple more I was a full fledged gospel worker, forsaking the worldly things (responsibilities) and holding a position in the church.
My issues was discussed above on this board. And these issues have hurt me to the point that I donât WANT the Church to be true. Issues like, âpoor people,â about non-robot members being treated differently until they leave or are just blatantly asked to not return, and the teachings about races.
Poverty.
In one a one week-long Elohim Academy that we were âselectedâ to attend (footing the bill of course, travelling the 1400 mile round trip and paying $200 to attend â with Financial reproductions of this will likely be discussed in a following post) I witnessed and heard with my own ears the Pastor (whom I love) discuss preaching to the poor. Pastor is the âBranchâ of our little Zion and of 14 other Zionâs, and he was leading the Elohim academy. The academy had 50 of us students [50*$100 per person = ???(PS, three more groups went out in the month to follow. I Imagine they had a pretty nice end-of-year bonus with at least an extra $20,000 coming âfor food and lodging.]
In the academy he stated that we should not preach to the physically poor. We should not preach to the physically homeless. These people will take advantage of the free Breakfast, lunch and dinner that is provided daily at Zion. If a person can not take care of something so precious, that is their own life, how would they handle the truth of light. When the Bible discusses giving the food the poor, the bible is speaking in parable. The bible is discussing the food called the bible. I felt strange about that. Especially since one of the people I preached to while I was out there, the one person that seemed most sincere, The one person that was âhumble enough to receive the love of Godâ just happened to be homeless.
It reminded me of a time when a homeless man had come to our Zion back home. We knew that this man was coming, because he had found my number, called me, and was on his way. However I did not know he was homeless. My church leader and I were excited, until he arrived. My church leader just happily talked with him on the front step, and never let him in. And then it started to rain. And the man decided to leave since he was riding a bike. We didnât even offer him a ride. Though, our particular Zion picked up 75% of itâs members at that time.
Treatment
As I had stated, I was quickly moving up in the church as I was âblessed with the latter rain of the Holy Spiritâ and I studied diligently. Since we were led to believe that God had no reason to allow 2013 since the completion of the gathering of the materials needed for the heavenly Temple would occur in 2012, I no longer needed to maintain employment, so I ceased working and started to focus my time on the work. One of our leaders was replaced by a 22 year old who I donât mind saying, I never got along with. He is quite arrogant. He expects to be served. He didnât know how to change a tire his first week here, went to the store and bought a tire, brought it back planning to put it on himself, and I asked, âhow are you going to get that tire on the rim? And the other tire off?â I offered my advice and advised that he should put the spare on vehicle and take the tire to the shop to get fixed. He actually said, go ahead and do it for me so you can get the blessing. And walked inside to get coffee. I was shocked. I did it, but I was shocked that he meant it. Not because heâs so young and I have a child his age, but at the shear guts of this full time âservantâ. As time passed, it became clear that he didnât like me, unless he needed me for a ride, a tow, or to move something and because he was the assistant to the church leader and he was an enthusiastic leader to the teenaged to 23 year old Zion that had been created, suddenly the feeling had become that a person was either with him or me, I found out later.
I was asked why I was being disobedient. I was being disobedient he had claimed to the deacon, because I called a member that had stopped coming, begging them to keep the feasts of God. But since our church leadership had expressed that we will not call âfallen away membersâ because they need to find their own way, I was disobedient. And that hurt. And in so many words, I was asked to not come back. I was told by the Deacon/Church leader of our Zion that, âDo you think that everything that Pastor tells me is something I think is right? No. There are times when (Pastor) says things that I know are wrong, but I humble myself and follow. That becomes his sin. Not mine. God knows my heart, and knows that I follow because God is not please with sacrifice, but obedience.â Thatâs a direct quote. And since I challenged authority, as it were, I was not being robotic enough. I was not someone they could rely on to do whatever I am told. In turn I was not a true Child of God, or so I felt. And although we are taught to cover the faults of our brothers and sisters, apparently that means cover the faults of those that do precisely what they are told to do by the church leaders.
Whatâs worse is, my spouse and Children still attend, and they completely ignore them. Imagine, your spouse no longer attends the congregation, for reasons that you do not know (because, in an effort to shield you from any prejudice or misunderstandings or to influence your opinion of the church – your spouse hadnât told you the conversation between them and the leaders) and now, youâre ignored too: ostracized for being married to a so called dissentient. Luckily my spouse is not effected by others view of them or their family. My spouse is awesome and my rock. And God surely blessed me with my spouse.
White people are arrogant
An underground teaching that is only given to the select elect is that we should shy away from preaching to and in âwhite communities.â It was explained to me that white people are too arrogant. I was told that it was Godâs will that the nation was founded as it was (USA) and it was Godâs will that the Caucasians were made to rule over it, acquiring the wealth and business and such. It was simultaneously Godâs will that so many ethnic groups and woman would be oppressed, so that at the appointed time the last could be humbled by their past and become first. Women would rise up with unprecedented freedoms and equalities as symbols and signs that God the Mother would come Last. This is why 90 percent of our Zion is either black or Hispanic and over 3/4 are women or their children. This is a problem for me. Especially since I can see with my own eyes that there Zionâs across our country and even in our neighbor to the north and these Zionâs are a majority white. Not to mention, personally, it offends me as this philosophy virtually guarantees that my extended family will not inherit the kingdom of God since they will not be able to follow the commands of God, because they will not accept the truth, because no one will preach to them.
With all of this being said, I am still a member. My heart hurts because I have been convinced that the Bible is so clear on certain aspects. Yet, others claim that it is blasphemy yet only provide unconvincing arguments. Nothing seems to make sense, except the teachings Iâve learned through this church. Are the people immature and clearly wicked, yes; but they are human. I guess what Iâm saying is, Iâm back where I started. Iâm wishing to have a deep relationship with God. Iâm wishing to understand deep truths. I want to believe that the creator of all things would be so much deeper than âjust believe.â I want to believe that it all means, something. I want to feel truly loved and accepted. But I sit here staring at the floor thinking, âI guess man will always blemish Godâs good things.â
I am a member too – in a sense. I do not believe the teachings. At least not all of them. I do not believe in the existence of God as depicted by majority of churches, including WMSCOG – or at least not yet. However, I have a sincere wish to find the Truth. I decided I will give WMSCOG chance to speak for itself, not relying on the slander or praise of others. Seeing for oneself – that is what I see as the only feasible approach. It is so because I share the wish – and it is also a conviction – that “God” is SO MUCH DEEPER than “just believe”.
From what you wrote, I sense a feeling of a sincere seeker. I cherish you for that. I wish you from the depths of my heart that you find what you seek. And rest assured – if there is a compassionate, loving God that sees inside your heart, there is no doubt that one day he will grant you what you seek.
Walk a plain path, sibling.
Hi Lukas, I have seen some of your post on Facebook. I do not have any faith in the WMS and it’s doctrine or it’s teachings. I understand that recently you became convinced that Ahn is the second coming of Christ. Would you please share with us why you now believe this? I can appreciate that you are earnestly seeking God and truth I just wonder what it was that convinced you that the WMSCOG is right about Ahn?
Hello, T.H.
I haven’t been to this site for quite a while, so that’s why I’m replying late.
When I had more time to think about it, I am still not entirely sure that he was Christ at His second coming. However, what I can say is that I deem it highly probable.
The reason why I think so is because I have been told about many prophecies that Ahn Sahng-Hong has fulfilled. For example, prophecy of the fig tree (baptized in the year of restoration of Israel), baptized at the age of 30, fulfilling remaining 37 years of the reign of king David, rebuilding Zion (“Zion” as a church keeping the feasts of God – especially bringing the “seal of God”), appearance “in the East” from the farthest corners of earth – these are the ones I can remember now. I have a feeling that there were a few others, but I can’t remember right now. Also, I am still at the very beginning of my studies with them (or at least that’s what I’ve been told), so there might be more. Also, the fact that the interpretation of the Bible that I’ve encountered at WMSCOG is so far the most sense-making interpretation of it that I’ve ever encountered among all the christian churches definitely played it’s role.
Lukas, please hear us! You are going to be taught that the Bible is a book of prophecies and that there are those of us that are going to be used by Satan to try and take the truth from you. You need to STOP studying with them for a while! Take some time and let your head clear and then start doing your own research outside of this group and its influence! If it’s the “truth” as they claim it to be then this information will stand on its own without someone else trying to convince you that something is true. What is going on right now is what I call slicing and dicing of scripture. They are pulling stuff out of the Word of God and because they are pulling it out of the Bible it seems like the truth and it seems real. I’ve been caught up in this kind of thing myself so I understand where you are right now. If you will take my advice and do this for yourself you wont be trapped by this like so many are. I noticed that your comment included the idea of the feast being the “seal of God” which is just one of the trappings used on members of this group. Research the “Seal of God” and you will find out that the Seal is the Holy Spirit that resides inside of Christians. The WMS will have you believe that Ahn was the Holy Spirit in the flesh. If the Passover is the Seal then you have to ignore the part of the Bible that tells us that God seals us with the Holy Spirit. Slicing and dicing the scriptures to support their preconceived ideas and doctrines. Not good! What about all of the hate for people outside of this group that don’t agree with the WMS? How about the constant bashing of the Roman Catholic Church? I don’t agree with the Catholics take on things but I don’t HATE any of them. Don’t buy into the “it’s us against them” mentality. This is just one more of the trappings that are used against its members. Research for yourself outside of this group and its influence! Your soul is far too important to give away just because someone seems convincing! The dates, timelines, information about certain events, the so called prophecies, (many of these are not prophecies just used to support theories that the WMS wants you to believe) just don’t add up when you take the time to verify the given information. What does this mean? It means that they are lying to you in order to get you in and keep you trapped. Please hear me! Do your own research outside of this group and its influence! God gave you a mind and He expects you to use it!
Hello T.H.
I have promised something to someone, and for that reason, I will not continue our discussion FOR THE TIME BEING. But I wanted to inform you know just to let you know that I am withdrawing for now and that it is just temporary. There is a condition to that promise I gave. When the condition is fulfilled, the promise will no longer apply. The condition should be fulfilled roughly in a month or so. After that, I am more than willing to discuss the matter with you, if you would like to. I firmly believe in the attractive power of truth towards those who seek it with absolute sincerity. Also, truth is a paramount value in my life – not believing something, but truth. I will not interrupt my studies with them, but worry not. It is not necessary. I have a mind of my own and I am going to keep it. … So, if you’d like to, I’d be happy to engage in discussion of all this after a month roughly. If you’re up for it then, let me know please. God bless you. đ
There are many differences between protestant church and church of God such as believing in second coming christ because the Bible prophesies that when Jesus comes to the earth a second time, He will come on a cloud, which represents flesh, the same way He was prophesied to come the first time. In the same way, there must be prophecies that testify where He will appear when He comes again. At the time of His first coming, Jesus Christ (Jehovah God in the flesh) was prophesied to come to Bethlehem. Like this, the Bible also prophesies about where Jesus will appear at His second coming. And through the parable of the fig tree, Jesus revealed when He would come a second time. He revealed all the lost truth and deep meaning such as the reality of the tree of life hidden since the creation. I recommand to get into the website usazion.org and check out the truth of life carefully.
Hello Arnulfo. It would be great if you can join us on the forum of this website and show us all about your beliefs regarding the second coming.
Attention Arnulfo, LIVE UP TO YOUR LAST NAME “WISE”
THE DEVIL KNOWS THE SCRIPTURES, HE KNOWS HIS END IS COMING SOON,SO HE IS GOING TO TRY TO DECIEVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS HE CAN, RIGHT BEFORE MY LORD CHRIST JESUS RETURNS!
OUR LORD & SAVIOR WARNS US THAT MANY WILL COME IN HIS NAME & TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO BE DECIEVED.
WHEN MY HEAVENLY FATHER RETURNS HE WILL CRUSH HIS HEAD!!!!!
JESUS IS ALIVE! HE COULD NEVER EVER DIE AGAIN! THE GOSPEL WILL BE PREACH TO ALL NATIONS AND THEN THE END SHALL COME!
THE GOSPEL JESUS HIMSELF SPOKE OF, NOT NO MOTHER GOD!!!!!!!
GOD CAN NOT BE COMPARE TO OUR WAYS, WE AS HUMANS HAVE A MOTHER & FATHER, BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE GIVER OF LIFE, ONE TRUE GOD, AND ISRAEL JERUSALEM IS THE HOLY LAND! NOT KOREA!
WAKE UP THE DEVIL THAT SERPENT IS TRICKING YOU! MAY TRUE GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL AND OPEN UP YOUR EYES SPIRITULLY & PHYSICALLY
The truth of life is that “the Spirit gives life” (John 6:63). God is limitless (Job 11:7-9). How can you say the Spirit, who is God, cannot give eternal life? There must be another God to help Him? God is Almighty (1 Sam 17:45) and needs the help of no one, especially of no other God.
Leave aside the bible for the moment since our friends are good at quoting verses for maximum mileage. Let us see what has happened here.
1. One location of the WMSCOG registers itself as a certifying organization.
2. They then award themselves and the other locations.
3. They let it be known among their membership that the President of the USA has awarded them.
4. They even announce in Korea that the GP has been awarded an award. This despite the fact that he is ineligible to receive such an award not being a US citizen.
Wow. How unethical. Is it any wonder that those who are not blinded can see them as scamsters?
The day is coming when we will see the glory of a new heaven and earth…[this comment has been moved to the forum for further discussion].
After Ahn died, the Sang Hong Ahn Witness Association was divided into a sect called New Covenant Passover Church of God that worshipped Um as the wife of God and another sect that chose Gil Ja Chang as the wife of God in 1981 and believed the second spiritual wife as Mother.
So… Ash didn’t die in 1985?
I’m here and I am willing. Don’t let this thing trap you ok? It’s really easy to get caught by something like this. This is why I encourage you to step back, take some time to clear your head, then research the truth outside of the influence of this group. Once again, I am here and I am willing. Take care and cling to the truth. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life! No one gets to the father except through Jesus. I’ll talk with you again soon.
Well said T.H and bless you in Christ Jesus,for this feedback was given to you by the Most High God, who is one, forever, Amen. I recently left this organization and I can tell you that without exception, Mother is not God. God does not contradict the Word of God. Their entire foundation of their Gospel, the Passover and its Festivals, is clearly the very thing the Apostle Paul was instructing the Galatians (chapters 1-3)to put aside for the Gentiles. Paul is amazed that they would want to be put back into “slavery” by these weak and miserable principles, which only bring about death. This is why, when you look around inside any Zion, the spirit that drives this organization is FEAR,not LOVE. God’s words say that there is no love in fear, but perfect love drives out fear. May all who understand this receive rest and blessing in Christ Jesus- the only Christ.
I’m glad to hear of another person that has found their way out of this group. The members that discover the deception of the WMSCOG many times become agnostic. They choose to believe in no God over being mislead again. I’m glad to see that you embrace Jesus as the Christ. We need a lot more ex-members of the WMSCOG to speak out with boldness and strength. Live in grace brother.
All of you are blind.
Brittany,
I believe that everyone has a reason WHY they believe something. I am sure you would agree with me on that. I would like to challenge you to explain to me the reason WHY you believe in just one aspect of your belief, that is, God the Mother. (I am assuming that you are a member of the WMSCOG)
Form 990-T
Part I: Unrelated trade or business income.. After reading the instructions on how to fill this out, I’m not sure if the Zion store is included in this section. There was an example saying a social group would report their bar or restaurant earnings. Would the store of a church be considered unrelated to the church? IMO, yes because services would continue with or without the store. But that’s just what I think.. What the real answer?
Thank you for this! People are meant to believe what they think is real. But God the mother, LIVING and BREATHING in korea is just plain weird. A lot of my schoolmates are recruiting outside our campus and it is really disturbing. Even if you say no, they’d consistently tell you that God the mother is real. I also heard that they have a notebook where they have names of people on it telling that those names will be saved, and all those who are not will be damned. I pray to Jesus Christ that my schoolmates and the other people who are blinded by the belief would be blessed and would be able to find the right path…
Wmscog people should stop all that “we are offended by all the prosecutions and its us against the world” acts, i think its YOU people who should stop your habit of dissing other religions, you want to believe a Korean woman as your She-god… then its your choice, whatever float your boat.But all that being offended while at the same time keeps offending other religions that sometimes really worked on my nerves.
I have lost my husband to this organization. We are newly married 3 mo and he has completely changed. I am not sure what to do.
You might want to let him know that he’s not following the Bible because the Bible instructs men to spend their first year of marrage is to be spent making their brides happy. If this group really followed the Bible he would be with you trying to make you happy right now. Take some time and research this stuff for yourself. The more you know the better you will be able to cope with this.
I was a former member of 6 years, I’m glad I’m no more a member there…! My husband and I spend too much money,time and energy onto this cult and had neglected our family members!! Deep inside my heart I knew all this was very wrong! They controlled us,mentally torturing us and the worst case they don’t do anything so that you have to listen to what they said and must obeyed or else they will mentally tortured you! I had ENOUGH OF IT and decided not to go anymore….now I’m a happier person, my husband and I and our son felt so much happier now without being a slave to this cult! Please be careful of them,they come to your life and destroy you slowly and FULLY!!!!
I waked in to a church of g-d church and they turned me away, saying I had to be invited !!! I found this highly suspicious of them.
I recently heard of someone who showed up alone for a bible study and was told never to do that again. What does it matter if I come alone or not? Does the message change?
I’m actually going to teach ion this over the next two weeks in our weekly campus sessions. This site gave me lots of assistance. WMSCOG has become quite a thing here, and it is even causing the churches to react.
I had a girl I met on the bus stop try to recruit me. She asked me if I believed in God, and then proceeded to tell me about their god mother. She invited me to her church and I told her I couldn’t. On the few days that I saw her she kept on persisting, and I thought it sounded interesting, so I decided to go with her to her church. She introduced me to people in the church and they all seemed very nice. Then she showed me a picture they had framed of their “god mother” and instantly I thought it was BS. But decided to hear what she had to say. So while inside a study room she showed me passages from the bible that pointed out that there was a god mother. I sounded very convincing and she was telling me that if I wanted to save myself I had to be baptized, she literally wanted to baptize me right then and them. After she was done, and although she kept pressing me on to get baptized, I told her no, I didn’t feel comfortable, and that I could not change my beliefs that there is only ONE God. She stopped talking to me, after being very nice and she would text me all the time.
Then had another lady approach me at the super market (they were both Korean) and asked me if I believed in God, and blah blah blah, I stopped her in her tracks, I told her “If you’re going to tell me about ‘mother god’ don’t waste your time, I don’t want to be rude, but I don’t believe in it” She left right away.
My daughter and son in law have been involved in this cult for 2 years. The most frustrating part besides the mind control is when you try to read all the books etc it tells you to show the cult member love, don’t bring up the cult, do not discuss the cult, never say brainwashed…My entire family did this for a year. My daughter went from cult member to cult leader! When I tried to get in touch with cult expert their advice was what I did for first year. BUT the next step is an intervention which is very expensive.
I am stuck and worry tremendously not only for my daughter but my grand daughters.
THANK TO GOD, JESUS & THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT I DIDNT RECIEVE THIS TEACHING .I WAS INVITED 2 YEAS AGO,BUT NEVER WENT ;FINALLY AFTER NUMEROUS INVITATIONS I ATTENDED. TEACHING OF THE GOSPEL,JESUS,SALVATION,THE BLOOD,THE CROSS WAS NOT MENTION ONCE.I WAS TROUBLE.SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS A CHISTIAN,THATS WHY I ACCEPTED,BUT,THE TEACHING WAS NOT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST IT WAS ABOUT “MOTHER JERUSALEM”.AS I SAID I AM TROUBLE.(BE AWARE OF WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING.)SEARCH “THE WORD OF GOD” HE IS THE SAME YESTEDAY,TODAY& TOMORROW.
Please help my daughter…they have completely entrapped her in their beliefs…It is true, they prey on people, a lonely single mother, trying to work, go to school, in a transistion in her life, and I truly believe she was wanting to find GOD…these 2 women came to her while she was studying, they just asked if she wanted to go to a bible study….No harm in the right? She even told me about it and I was thrilled as a mom that she wanted to learn more about God!! Well, it has been 6 months now and we used to see her daughter, my granddaughter, weeks out of a month.. well they have taken that from us, now after 6 months of not coming home she says she is quitting her job to be more at the church and is moving in an apartment with other brothers and sisters who are her family now…My granddaughter is growing up thinking a Korean woman is her God…Not God the father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit…Also they believe that Jesus has come for his second coming..ummm if Im correct and I am…the bible tells me that the minute He comes back, EVERY EYE will see HIM and EVERY KNEE will bow!! so they are telling me that the bible is and has been lying to us and we just missed it…LIARS THEY ARE, PUTTING IN THEIR OWN WORDS IN THE BIBLE TO BRAINWASH THESE PEOPLE, MY DAUGHTER INCLUDED AND POSSIBLY YOURS!! I am not angry at these people but this is Satan working in their minds and in their lives stealing them away from our very homes.!!!
Please read Colossians 2:13-17 it cleary states that not to let anyone condemn you for not keeping sabbath or other holy days because they died with Jesus on the cross. We are brought to grace and salvation through Jesus and nobody else there are many verses that state the old laws are dead with Jesus. Please share those versus with her and if you need help please respond. I will help if I can they are really drawn in though.
Does this new tombstone have his children’s names on it as well?
Besides, we must not lose sight of the fact that Jesus’ tomb could not hold him beyond 3 days. He rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.
Poor Ahn is still down there.
Hello! Uhm, actually this afternoon, two young student korean girls came to me, asking me to do a Christianity survey and they suddenly talked about God being the mother and when I asked them where were they from, they said Elohim Academy. So they started talking to me about Jerusalem, bride and all that stuff, even showing me the bible verse and when they were speaking, I had a bad feeling ’bout them but I kept quiet and let them speak. So after for a few minutes, I told that I had to go and they asked me if they can call me and talked to me about this “sharing’ again (I accidentally gave them my first name and hp number, before they preached to me about God being the mother). After when I reached home, I googled their Academy and about WMSCG from the leaflet they gave me and I’m kind of shocked.
Many people were saying how they are cults and all. It’s creepy! And I even gave my name and hp number to them! Will they use my personal details and do crazy stuff?! Like I dunno, what do cults do when people don’t want to be part of them? D: Will they curse me?! Oh gawd.
Hi đ an advice stop contacting them. Coz once u are with them it is hard to leave the church. The government have not stopped this is because that they have donation drive and so on to show that they are actually good they can’t find a reason to stop them. But for ur own “safety” pls stop contacting them and ask them to leave u alone stop replying them and they will stop eventually. It will take sometime for them to give up. So persevere đ dun give up đ DO NOT GIVE IN TO THEM. They make their members believe that their church is the only true church but the fact is that they are not and once u step in there it is be total darkness
Why do they say that all living things have a father and mother? You must be too ignorant to believe that. Aren’t we all know that there are living beings of asexual reproduction? Such as worms, sponges, fungi and bacteria. Perhaps they are not living things? And also are hermaphrodites they are both male and female at once. There are many hermaphrodite animals and humans as well. I’m surprised nobody has noticed this thing so obvious before. I have not read anything about it here or anywhere else. I think this is another proof of the falsity of that religion. Well, everything indicates that it’s fake anyway.
Why do they say that all living things have a father and mother? You must be too ignorant to believe that. Are not we all know that there are living beings of asexual reproduction? Such as worms, sponges, fungi and bacteria. Perhaps they are not living things? And also are hermaphrodites are both male and female at once. There are many hermaphrodite animals and humans as well. I’m surprised nobody has noticed this thing so obvious before. I have not read anything about it here or anywhere else. I think this is another proof of the falsity of that religion. Everything indicates that it is fake anyway.
I TOO can relate how this cult is such a family breaker. My 7 year old son & I have completely lost my husband to this devilish group. I had to have him leave the household he was never home never cared to participate in family outings & here we are almost 3 years later & he is more heavily involved with the WMSCOG than his own family. The pain & anger I have been going through is silently killing me.
you know no matter what research you do and you show him he wont believe it cause he is going to think that you just dont want him to go so it becomes argumentative. he has to see it for himself or have someone else show him.
Admin why do you challenge the responses of the wmscog believers and not that of the non-believers? Stop turning people are away from the church of God. You devil. You will never win.
Was referring to the devil not you by the way. But don’t let him use you
i love you heavenly father and heavenly mother
@sanzeev … give more more tithe including your jewelries and properties so you qualify for the 144,000. if you don’t have anymore, it’s easy to rob or steal.
I’m glad you made this testimoney because two ladies approched me in target the other day trying to convince me to come to this church. They asked me if I had ever heard of God the Mother. When they told me they belived in two Gods Male and Female I told them that was the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard. There is no such scripture in the Catholic bible which is the bible I go by. The only Mother is Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Im not sure what bible this church goes by but its obviously a cult and Im so glad you were able to get away from it.
hi wow , my daughter is in to this group also, she has givin all her christmas stuff away and will not listen to any of my concerns. She said to leave her along and i am driving her away. She has never acted like this ever. What do i do?
Thank you
This is not just the DOS attack. From the attached traffic logs, its pretty obvious that they were trying to do unauthorized login through multiple password guessing attempts.
I’m currently a member of WMSCOG in South Africa and I’ll admit at first when I saw the video the information about the BITE model seems plausible at first, but the BITE model truly can be applicable to wide range of religious groups. But to be fair Ron is correct on certain points, this is a Korean church and thus with it carries Korean culture, I was hurt at first when I realised that, just as he clearly is and it was this cultural dynamic an clash that I found unbearable.
I bet the “We Love U” means “we love you, but if you don’t agree with what we say you will go to hell” đ
These passive aggressive home-wreckers … always trying to use scare tactics to convert people. WMSCOG members are wolves in sheep clothing!period!
Truth.. Our church laughs out loud in congregation about how ridiculous other church’s are to believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. So much evidence points to the contrary, wouldn’t you agree? Though our church has found a way to explain this, there are still fundamental flaws. For example… the flood. Let’s visit this topic since accepting scientific evidence is an allowable foundation to the beginning of the “6 day creation”. Ask your Pastor if the flood was worldwide. He will likely say “what does the bible say?” or “yes, the entire world!” Then admit the evidence. Ice core samples taken from Antarctica and Greenland, such as sample GISP2, accurately record 110,000 years worth of captured historical sediment… none of which have had any ocean water or even slightly significant salt layers. So the same scientific evidence used to date the earth’s history, which by the way is supported by church of god, also says they are big fat liars about a flood coming around 4000 years ago. Examine the same evidence they crammed down our throats in this regard… I actually got my pastor to backtrack and admit the flood was just local to the Mediterranean area, after first insisting it was world wide. Do your homework and set the table before your question, and you will reveal the lie. Then the “truth” will set you free. God Bless You!
ok, can anyone clarify to me what the verses meant? I just don’t understand how this proves both of your points here. (‘how wearing a veil is not needed’ and ‘how wearing a veil is needed’)
So much information and yet, I cant seem to be able to use any of it to as prove to convince my girlfriend that what she’s following is wrong .. These people destroyed my relationship
Trevor,
Everyone has their trigger. Mine was a particular Scripture saying God does not lie. There’s no interpretation and you don’t have to jump from page to page to understand what the verse is saying. Once I was told that Ash lied in the “forbidden book” when he said there is not God the Mother, I was gone.
It’s unfortunate that your relationship is suffering due to the involvement of your girlfriend but I believe she has a trigger. It might be related to Scripture, it might not be. But keep digging and you’ll find it. =)
Same here bro. My girlfriend left me to marry someone from the church because I wouldnât join.đ
Wow … I’m going through a similar situation. My girlfriend of five years left me because of this same church. We lived together, but the difference is that we were not married. She moved out about three months ago, and we barely speak because she believes that Satan is using me to get her out of the church. That idea insults me, I don’t have any Satan in me, and there’s no one using me for anything, of that I’m sure.
I went to that cult in several occasions to show support and to learn about what she was doing. I wanted to be supportive since we’re couple .. I started getting involved in Bible studies, but most things the dude used to say to me did not make any sense. The way he jumped from verse to another in different books of the bible in order to prove his theory was too weird and suspicious.
In occasions, I used to beat him up with historical accounts he tried to use as proof for his theory. He used to get stuck because he did not have the answer to my questions.. maybe he was a rookie or was just learning how to deliver. I did like the passion the guy showed when he was giving me the bible studies however, he was never able to make me believe in anything or even made me doubt what I already knew about God.
I’m desperately searching for answers. It hurst me that I lost my girl, I was in love with her. We had plans of getting married and have kids and getting old together .. I’m heartbroken and very upset with this damn cult .. Why is it that these organizations are allowed to operate in the US ..
Hello Travis I am losing my son to this church as well. He has not left yet and i hope i still have a chance to get back in the real world. They took away his motivation and confident. Thinking this women of god is everything. I ask my son what is his belief he cannot answer me. I am just being supportive to him but at the same time trying to save him too. Just trying to have him remember the good stuff we use to do together and let him know that i am here for him when he needs me. I have to agree that the US bring all this wrong religion in here and do not do anything about it. It is just wrong. I do not like how the treat the kids like they are adults. Pleasde give me suggestion if you have any to help him and i will keep being supportive and showing my love to him
Now that I have proven below that Ahnsanghong is not the Christ, it is much easier to break apart other WMSCOG beliefs (misunderstandings).
The first teaching that they like to reel people in with is “The Sabbath Day” teaching. They inform people that true Sabbath is on a Saturday, which is actually a true fact. Now that they have started the conversation on a true fact, it is easier for them to sneak in the next part, which is the lie. They tell people that worshipping on any other day, other than Saturday, is wrong. Therefore all Christians who worship on Sunday are wrong and disobedient to God.
Then they go into false Roman history about how Satan used the ruler Constantine to force Christian worshippers to abandon Sabbath (Saturday) worship and change to Sundays in order to be aligned with the pagan worshippers who worshipped the Sun god on “Sun” days. In addition they say that the people who refused to worship on Sunday and stuck with Saturday endured great persecution. Well the people who mostly remained worshipping on Saturdays were called the Jews, and while it is true that they probably endured great persecution, I dare say it was probably not more than the Christians.
While their version of this story has some cherry-picked truths, all-in-all it’s totally clear that WMSCOG believers are preaching one heck of a twisted version. The real truth can easily be found given a Google search, but since they forbid the new converts to go online and read for themselves, it is very easy for them to fall prey to this story and subsequent false teachings.
The truth about the ruler Constantine was that he actually became a Christian, although not a very good one as he also continued to worship the Sun god as well. After Jesus died, Christians (which included converted Jews and gentiles/pagans) wanted to separate themselves from the Jews (who chose not to believe in Christ even as He had just walked the Earth). Christians found Sunday to be very special because it was the day Christ had risen from the grave and the tomb found empty. Therefore Christians started worshipping on Sunday. Constantine was left in a predicament seeing as though a large group wanted to worship on Saturdays (the Jews) and a large group wanted to worship on Sundays (the Christians). So Constantine ruled that both days be available for worship. Still to this day, we have Saturdays and Sundays off from work.
you said that “hoerte” appears 11 times, where do they appear?
http://biblehub.com/greek/eorte__1859.htm
I have the same question. I have a friend who is in this cult and I can obviously see through the chart above that he could not have celebrated those feasts but I still am confused on how we know the days of the week to start counting. I would really appreciate a breakdown of calculating this out.
The church recieves the awards for street clean ups, park clean ups, beach clean ups, storm dsmage repair and the list goes on. Sure the president ‘s award probably never crossed his path and came from a separate office or department big deal. Celebrities hire writters to reply to fan mail and Obama has no credibaility anyway
Did you read this part of Emil’s comment: They even announce in Korea that the GP has been awarded an award. This despite the fact that he is ineligible to receive such an award not being a US citizen????
They are deceitful and are liars. That’s the big deal.
When I was baptized, they never told me about this ahn sahng hong fellow that I was baffled and simply went to the flow. But thankfully, my family and I went to Hawaii so I could no longer continue my connection to them. But they sure left a scar that will forever remind me what kind of malicious, family-breaking, history-re-visioning, lie-encouraging, bible-misinterpreting, mind-manipulating, elitist basterds look like.
I may want to thank God for giving me the opportunity to leave the cult, but I no longer agree with the bible. I think the bible is nothing more than a tool to manipulate others and God never really commanded to make one. It was written by elitist catholics back then who wanted to force their beliefs and should anyone disagree with them, it’s all to the fire stake.
Now, I leave you this question: Do you think that people through all the years revised Jesus’ teachings to make it to their favor? Think about that for a second…
@jaypee — you know nobody knows the state of the existing versions of the bible. is it really an inspired book of GOD? were the 40 or so scholars who met with Emperor Constantine when the Council of Nicaea inspired by GOD? What really happened to this council. Why during the process, many books (from more than 24000 manuscripts) did not make it to the Bible? Why all bible versions differ from one another? why so many errors? why so many contradictions? and what is that bible use by MSCOG? (u can refer to the site of BART ERHMAN a very famous bible scholar on how the bible was made and how it undergo lots of mistakes from a generation to another. he got some video speech in You Tube) let me just continue, these differences in bible in use also rendered the christian world in a lot of divisions. but even if the bible is just one, still christians cannot find ways how to agree with each other because the bible internally contains countless contradictions. and that too prompted some christian denominations to have their own version of the bible to make it agree to a doctrine they want.
read the NOBLE QURAN jaypee. u want to know who’s the real true GOD, the Quran gives best the answer.u want to know the real Jesus and Mary his mother, the Quran will enlighten u about it. u want to know how to be not in the Hellfire when GOD will declare the day of judgement, the QURAN knows best.
Alright buddy, I’ll give you a chance. What exactly is the Quran and what are your beliefs?
so…what is the exact day the apostles worship/remember/remind us/yada yada Jesus’ resurrection?
Hi brother!
Very thought provoking post! Let me share with you my understanding of the matter…
HeortĂ© is a noun that means “a feast day, festival” not “keep or observe a feast day”.
Heortazo is a verb that comes from the noun heortĂ© and means “keep or observe a feast day”. Since it’s only being used once, I don’t think it’s safe to say that it meant allegorically.
We see heortĂ© being used alot simply because its being used as a direct object and not a verb like heortazo. One could say “observe(verb) + heortĂ©(object)” or simply “heortazo(verb)” and it would mean the same.
Paul kept and taught believers to observe the feast of unleavened bread literally not allegorically. He never taught against the law:
Exodus 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.
Just something to consider… Grace and peace brother!
Hi everyone I’m from Malaysia and I would like to say thank you for this website to enlighten me. I feel myself very dumb because of believing to their words without actually research it by myself. WMSCOG almost breaks my family apart. I feel very sorry to myself and the same time thanks again to you all. Love you guys.
amen to that, buddy.
I remembered a sister now a deaconin pressured me I should go for abortion as we have no more time left and must go to preach! She had an abortion and told me it’s ok as long as we sacrifice to go to heaven with Elohim God!! CAn you believe this!! Thank God I didn’t listen to her….now my son is 3 and half years old. đ
I understand if some women get an abortion because of financial and psychological collapse, but this has got to be the WORST REASON to get one.
Wow! Are you serious? Not much time left, huh? I’m glad you didn’t give in to that advice either.
Sunshine, could you come onto the forum and private message me? I have a couple questions. Thanks.
Luke 4:15-16 â He [Jesus] taught in their synagogues, and everyone praised him. He went to Nazareth where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
As we can see through the verse above, Jesus preached the gospel while keeping the Sabbath with the Jews in their synagogues. Now who were the leaders of Judaism in those days? It was the Pharisees and the teachers of the law! And according to Jesus, they were false prophets.
Matthew 23:29-33 â Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!âŠYou snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
What is your point here. Are you saying that your group is full of false prophets or that your group thinks everyone else are false prophets?
It doesn’t say he kept the Sabbath. Why would he keep the Sabbath when the OT Law is obselete*? It was Jesus’ custom to teach in the synagogues.
yeah, you can pretty much make your point a fact when you just hand-picked some verses. All I can say is, READ THE WHOLE DMAN THING!!!!
but how EXACTLY do we receive this “free gift”?
This “Free Gift” is what we believe is the grace of God. The sacrifice given to us by Jesus when He paid the price for our sins. All we have to do is accept the gift of the sacrifice. What’s more is that this gift is actually what’s called the “Bride Price”. Take some time to read up on this. It’s really quite cool.
yeah, but how do we receive it?
According to the bible, God already gave it to you.
Have any of you heard that a prophecy can be fulfilled up to 3 times? I was told God’s favorite numbers are 3 and 7. 7 Feasts in 3 times. 7th day Sabbath. 3rd day worship. 3 ages. Being refined in the fire 7 times.
They get it wrong in 2013 also.
I almost lost my wife to this. Thankfully I had someone in my family who knew the bible & scrolls to show her the light! I still can’t believe how miss lead some of these people are…
My prayers goes to all of the good people who are being mis lead.
After 6 years and one time in korea Im announcing IM OUT OF THIS CULT!!! What i couldnt take it any loner is how they twist and turn lies using gods words and using their own idea and saying this is Gods will! Bullsh&t! What they did to me and my family are beyond destroyed….I nearly losed my mind brainwashed by them.Everymonth me and my husband gave almost 400⏠for tithes and offering.Our times and energy to them and still they are not thankful and appreciated our effort.They always said We Love you but thats all lies.They only want out money.Thanks to Jesus Christ who open our eyes and blessed us with bravery and courage to leave this cult even on the Sabbath Day! As we felt they only using us and we dont feel LOVE anymore inside the church.Pastor always put pressure on all of us that we didnt bear much fruits although day and night what we are doing only going out there cold weather hot weather busting our butt out there to try to recruit new members and all we are hearing the whole times is you didnt do enough for father and mother,you are sinners,you will go to hell if you dnt obey!!! We had enough!! One day after so tiring preached i went back to zion(church) i saw our pastor having ice cream in the temple! I was Schocked and so did himself because he didnt expect a member are there an hour earlier.
And yes it is very true that they asked us not to preach to the poor and homeless peoples.One time i ask my group leader why? And she said it is because this will take away the glory from Father especially Mother,I was like WTF are you talking about! Even Jesus himselves helps the poor and forgave anyone who want to repent and now you telling me all this rubbish! I couldnt believed my ears at that time but because i was so brain washed i just obey! The pastor told everyone 2012 will be the end but HELLO 2014 and still not yet happening…..
Just happy im out ! And im blessed that this page exist to help each and everyone to understand the truth of this CULT WMSCOG!!!
I hear you WmscogCULT&LIARS. i’ve felt the same frustration. i remember feeling so much much better after 2012 was over. january 2013 was relief. did you know its 2014, the year of Jubilee? we are supposed to be happy now, it is what the leaders tell me. i’m curious what the next theme will be in the church. i should keep you guys updated. sounds like you did good out there.
Do you know why you are angry at WMSCOG? It is because you are not the true child of God.
What’s upsetting is that the current members, generally, don’t see this as relevant information. I think information about a church that is “masquerading as apostles of [Jesus] Christ” (2 Cor 11:13) is highly relevant. Like it was mentioned, if Ahn is God and the current Saviour, why do you tell people otherwise? The Apostles have “testified to the truth” (John 5:33). Joo, whom the church claims as the founder, is not testifying to the truth. Whoever is in on this scheme shall get what’s deserved because “a fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare” (Pro 21:6).
They trick people into believing they’re regular everyday Christians with no “odd” beliefs. This deceitfulness is a ***RED FLAG***. Free yourselves from the “cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming” (Eph 4:14).
Just thought I would leave a quit comment. I went to three studies and it wasnt adding up. I have been a Christian my whole life and believe when Jesus said it is finished on the cross he meant it. Take a look at Colossians 2:13-17.
I remembered how they looked down on me when i told them im pregnant,no one congratulated me and their face expression said it all!! And I knew they are not the true church!! I left and told them JESUS will never do this to his children of LOVE!!!!
I have lost my husband to this. It is heartbreaking. I can no longer tolerate this in my home. I new from the beginning this was not good but he had been studying with them for a few months more than me. He has only been there a year but if they told him to jump off a bridge he would do it.
I’m sort of still in it, my ex girlfriend left me for a brother who had rank, she wanted to get married and sent out like most newly wed gospel workers, I was heartbroken for so long, I’m still half in but no longer feels the same… I’ve been a member since 2003, but when Ron and Cecil and Tyrone etc… Fell I began to wonder , and I am still confused I see two sides to this story and have never been so confused in my life, where does wmscg get these amazing studies from… Is seventh day adv. The true way. I asked and church and didn’t get a clear answer I told my whole family the world would end 2012 but now I’m just stumped all I know is Father and Mother they became my conscience I thought Jesus WS no longer in affect
Hi lost, I have some questions and comments for you. It may seem a little offensive but please open up to me if you can. How much research have you done outside of this group? It seems that most people who get caught up in this group simply take the teachings of the WMSCOG as truth right from the start. I have a really hard time understanding how such an important decision like this is taken without making sure what’s being told to you is in fact the truth. The other question which I hope you will enlighten me on is; How does a person go from worshipping a risen saviour in Jesus the Christ to praying to a dead Korean man? I’m sorry if my questions are a bit harsh but my loved one was in this group as well at one time. I asked her these exact questions but she was unable to really explain it. Can you help?
You took out a website to waste…[this comment has been moved to the forum]
No William. The owner of this website feels deeply for you and others like you who are going to lose their eternal soul to the devil (in the form of a goddess, which the bible warns about). It is not a waste of time if even one soul is saved from the devil.
You remind me of the losers…[this comment has been moved to the forum]
And you remind me of a loser who has lost his eternal soul to satan coming in the form of a goddess
T.H … No offense taken at all… First question you asked… Yes Ithink iI have always been a yes man… I heard some truth and they got me… I made a decision to keep praying to Father and Mother for years they were who I truly believe in but when I heard that both Father and Mother have kids and that she’s divorced I have been a very confused semi angry individual I feel out of proportion… Then I discovered about the lawsuits which I know contradicts the bible … So when I learned that Ahn Sahng Hongs children pray to Jesus I started to think more. So I feel like a disaster now I feel broken … But I feel better when I hear that I’m not the only one going through this. . I am learning a lot more plus I do feel better knowing truth because wmscg will not answer my questions and they said I been diluted by lies and to study more so I know more now than I did when I was pouring out my heart to brothers who were in reality talking bad about me because I would come andgo and a brother actually told me to stop talking to him CU’s he’s not sure if I’m a brother and he’s a leader and in the choir so .. I mean I have patience I took all that as a rebuke but now God must be showing me the light because I have felt guilty almost every Saturday and Tuesday for the last twelve years….
Which group did you come out of? I have met many people from all over the USA. Most of the long term members I’ve met come from California and New Jersey. Everyone I’ve met have been really nice and intelligent people. These are the kinds of folks that control groups like to target. If they can get influential people into the group they believe it makes them look more legit. If you think about it that is a pretty sad way to have to make your group seem real.
Decon of WMSCOG have signed and given a statement that 2012 will be the end of the world. while I was in WMSCOG we were taught about 2012 same as written above by Ves Jan Gil pastor of Nepal.
Hi my sister currently attends this church i need help to open her eyes that this place is bull****. She has been arguing with me in regards to questions i ask her about what she learned in church. She tells me i need to worry about my soul and how it is going to hell. she also tells me since i did not recieve passover i will not have eternal life. I explained to her that the only way we find out what the right religon is when we died and she assure me that going to her church and learning the word of GOD is the only way. They are brainwashing her and i refuse to give up on her i tried to have her read a lawsuit that was placed against the chruch but she blew me off. She told me not to believe everything i read online (but these were court documents) stories that match up to alot of your stories. i cant give up on her she is my little sister in whom i have raised. Im so hurt and in need of help!!!!! This is suppose to be a NON profit organazation but they DO MAKE MONEY and its all sent to South Korea. Someone please i beg for help me open her eyes to the madness that has closed them.
I have put together some notes from Bible studies that I have done. I, myself, was almost duped into joining this church. After my husband saved me with his great Biblical knowledge, we decided to get a small group of friends together to study the Bible and disprove all of WMSCOG’s teachings that I had learned. I would love to send the notes to you somehow.
In the meantime, know that WMSCOG’s teachings are so ridiculously far off from real Bible history. These poor WMSCOG followers are taught about 20-30 lessons in which they cherry-pick quotes from the Bible. The teachers choose the quotes to mean whatever they want them to mean and teach their followers so quickly so that they do not have time to cross-check. Thank God my husband loves history and the Bible because he was able to correct WMSCOG’s sermons and say “hey that’s not what was going on during that time in history” or “that’s not what this verse really means.”
Hi miss Vanessa, I have a friend who invited me once to visit their church. I did and learned all their beliefs. The “mother god in korea in human form” or “heavenly god the mother”. The second coming of Jesus already happened in the human form of Jesus Anghankong (dont know the spelling). Our pastor told me to be careful because their belief is that once you pay attention or seem interested in their religion, they will baptize your right there and right then. They dont believe in the Holy Trinity which is God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. For them Spirit is just a power within human. I am also looking for some text in the Bible to disprove my friend in her belief. Because I believe that they misinterpret the words of God in the Bible. My friend is a new convert of the WMSCOG, she really separated from her family’s religion. I am concerned of her. Pls share me some of your notes to disprove her beliefs. I came from philippines.
Find a WMSCOG. Stay for a study on the Sabbath, Passover, and the Tree of Life. Read Revelations 22:18. And you will understand. God bless you, and we love you!
Hello Emily,
Are you willing to communicate with me via email? Let us discuss our faith. You tell me about yours, I’ll tell you about mine. Let us understand each other.
@Emily .. Actually your organization worships no god at all. its the money your organization worship. What is good in worshipping a dead man ha Emily? and what is good in worshipping a woman alive and having past history of broken marriage? What you and your organization doing is the most filthiest thing ever on God’s sight. Who originates Creation ha Emily? Your appointed gods or someone not seen but extremely Supreme and Powerful. This palanet Earth and Solar System who designed and created all these, living things, animals, insects, birds, fishes, trees, humans, we are all creations of the GOD. This earth and the planets, moon sun existed billions years before humans were created. You and your colleagues and WMSCOG, you should know your punishment of blasphemy and treason against the Commandments of GOD…. HELLFIRE Emily, HELL forever in the second life. READ THE NOBLE QURAN . Its the LAST TESTAMENT confirming the BOOKS which came before it. Not a Bible altered countless of times generations after generations.
Yes I agree T.H somehow… I’ve become really adapted to the lifestyle and worship to the point where, I feel like I’m breaking in two. I have never experienced such a feeling no where in the world the way wmscg has made me feel and leaving the church makes me feel deeply saddened but…. I feel lied to , I feel a huge weight off of me, but I was molded to love that weight to accept the minimal and anticipate for the future blessings but like I said,,, no one would answer m y questions, and I have so many still but I got more answers from this site and I have realized that the reason Brothers and Sisters are so scared to hear these questions is because they are not 100% sure themselves and have a large portion of fear obstructing their logic…not sure if you follow but I feel I need to vent I’ve been bottling feelings for a long time now but answering your question T.H I’m from CA ….. Question for you” were you a deacon or missionary and were you on the west coast or east coast more?
I was a effected family member. My loved on has been out for almost two years now. My story is a little different as I saw this group for what it was right away. I have some experience from my past with other controlling groups which helped me recognize right away what was going on.
Why? Why is the biggest word in my mind toward the wmscg, why do people leave their jobs/College/family/friends/hobbies when they get baptized doesn’t God want us to be successful…? Why? Why do so many people break up, where’s the morality and encouragement for couples, why? Why do they look down on pregnancies? Why? Why do the members get filled with emotion and sometimes anger when we ask why? Why? Do they put so much fear in us? Why? Why do they own a million dollar company and none of the members know about it? Is it because their tithings and blood and sweat go to add it?Why? Why is their no justice when theirs an issue and they say to just pray about it, and analyze yourself, why? Why did they tell us to not pres h to the poor people? Why? Why do they say that black people are cursed? Why? Why do they hide so called Mothers physical children? Is it because that makes her the slave woman? Why do they hide her divorce? Is it because it doesn’t match scripture? Why? Why are they so paranoid and selective? Doesn’t God welcome all? Why? Why do Ahn sahng Hong’s children (biological) worship Jesus and not him? Why? Why do members get matched up married and sent out? Sounds more like a business to me , get trained and sent out for the expansion of the company. Why? Why don’t they answer questions? Why does the New Covenant Passover church have more books / pictures and memorabilia than Wmscg if they worship him Why? Why don’t they answer these questions this is why I left the world mission society church of God… Lies! Lies! And lies. Even missionaries catnt answer these questions because they’re just pawns! Told not to go on the Internet just like they told me! Why do they sue people that’s s rupture co tradiction…. People need to wake up and stop praying to a divorced mother of two and a dead pastor who urged everyone to pray to Jesus Christ! Long Live Jesus Christ the Father and the holy spirit, like the bible says.. You will here rumors of war but do not be alarmed…. And if they say there he is the Christ in the desert do not believe it because there is onlyone God our Father in heaven… I thank this site Ron and everyone else for pulling me out of this brainwashing business so iI can enjoy the rest of my life thank you everyone for sharing your stories… In the end the truth will be revealed God bless all who believe in Jesus Christ and no other God. Like moses was told in his youth… There is only One God. !
It sounds like you have most of your answers already. The reason why people inside of the WMSCOG don’t or won’t answer these questions is because they would have to admit that what they are into is wrong. Because of the undue pressure placed on the members especially in the form of never doubting f&m they cannot answer these questions without condeming themselves. I’m sure that being a former member you can understand what I’m saying. This group is called a destructive mind control group for a reason and you are right for feeling lied to for so long.
Same here… When I was there, They do say the world gonna go boom in 2012, But I guess everybody seems to deny that statement now đ
Thank you TH, I appreciate the fact that you helped me to speak my mind, I feel like I know you, I probably do, but I’d rather not mention names but I myself was in the Reseda church for a long time and all I ever got was Negativity from brothers looking at me like sum kind of basket case, the churchin Reseda is so loveless and extremely jjudgmenta, when I was a member, there was a handful of bros that would treat me with sincere love but the rest would give me the cold shoulder because I wasn’t as a consistent member or robotic enough to keep every sabbath but now I understand why they were the way they were, for sum reason wmscg members tend to think everyone’s going to hell even their own parents who don’t attend and this is ridiculous because most parents have more morals and Love than these wmscg members who think their going to heaven because they keep the law but the old testament is obsolete even atpostle Paul said not to let anyone judje you on not keeping the sabbath or festivals, of course that church doesn’t recite that part they just engrave Luke and Mathew in your mind over and over again so you keep focusing on the passover but now I see the light and I have been in a cult for a long time and have never felt so free, thank God our Lord Jesus that I don’t have to have nightmares anymore about going to hell or ha e to worry about brothers judjing me! I was just a man trying to please God, and never felt accepted by the congregation and now I know why, because I was not a consistent member contributing with tithings and preaching and that’s why they took down my name from the tithings boxes area, now it all makes sense, your only respected when your an asset and I wasn’t I was just a man trying to change and please God, but now I pray in Jesus name because until now I have not asked for anything in his true name, I truly feel blessed to get out of the slave woman who is in bondage with her children.
If your a member of the wmscg and are reading this let me ask you a sincere series of questions but don’t get mad because I used to be a member: do you live your day to day life wondering why everyone is wrong (spiritually) wishing you can save them… Do you feel like its gonna take a miracle for them to believe in F&M… Do you feel like you never have time for yourself and constantly feel you must submit to God… Do you find yourself out of place when you go back to church after missing a sabbath or two… Do you always feel like you must bear fruit and that life is not meaningful unless you do? Do you feel double minded and wonder if your going to heaven or hell… Are your thoughts more toward being saved more than loving and respecting your peers??? Do you put the wmscg before your physical parents? Do you feel like your life is meaningless and must cancel future plans all the time because of the sermons that move you? … Are you constantly in spiritual fear… Do you pray and find yourself praying for brothers and sisters Only…? Do you think everyone around you has no spiritual life in them…? Do you get angry when someone spiritually doesn’t agree with you about F&M… Do you find yourself all alone and no one two answer deep/lingering questions and feel like your falling away because you have a question… Does your heart race when you hear rumors of wars and worried because you must bear fruit… Do you feel like you must dress up and smile and church or they might think your falling away…? Are you worried about what church members think of you and the way you present yourself… Do you feel youmust pretend to be happy at times and not bring worries with you to church… Do you feel like you cannot be yourself at church…? Are you fearful of not bearing fruit before Father comes…? do brothers or sisters tell you not to talk or sit with certain members… ? Do you feel like God loves you more than common people you see everyday? Do you feel like God chose you out of many and catch yourself comparing yourself to strangers…? Do you feel like their is no time, and feel pressure no your mind? If you answered yes to any of these then you arein the exact same shoes that I was in for 11 years, in a state of mind that is not Godly at all or free, Godliness is nonjudgmental, loving caring and accepts people as they are, even Jesus prayed for those who were literally putting him to death the wmscg sues and accuses other churches of being false, Jesus Christ prayed for all… Not like the wmscg telling members not to speak with other members I pray that the True God of this universe exposes the wmscg more and more so people who atre in the spot that I used to be in get out of that church and live a better life not wrapped up in fear… Don’t let a small price of scripture condemn you… God loves all and is in all… God Bless everyone and think with an independent mind… Not like a scared servant who must obey or will go to hell… Only God has the power to judge… Not you!
I’m glad to be able to help and be here for you. My loved one was in the San Diego group so I kinda doubt that I’m the person that you know. If you want to get in touch with me I am willing to talk. In the forum there is a person named Joshua. He can get ahold of me it you’re interested. I’m glad you are out of the slavery you were into. Do they really put your names on the tithing boxes? Seems kind of intrusive to me. As for Love I hope you are finding more of this now that you are out. The more I read the Bible the more I’m seeing that in order to show love you need to do more than just talk. You need to provide for the poor and those in need. In my case I find that the more I help the more I get in return. It’s not why I do it but it’s a really nice by product.
What Church you knows sues people??? Never heard of one but than again this is no church! It’s a Cult!
This is all really misinformed…[this comment has been moved to the forum]
Dear friend truthisinzion,
This does not become misinformation just because you say so. This website is not making up anything but just posting the case details. If you insist on burying your head in the sand, that’s your decision. Don’t tell others that they too should bury their heads.
Regarding slander, I don’t think your church comes anywhere close to the amount of slander targeting other churches like the Catholic Church, which is a target of continuous slander from your church.
So your so-called “profersized” points to the Catholic Church as the true church. No?
I’m ShengCaiña and a current member of WMSCOG, I’m emotionally tortured in church… How can I leave?
Which Zion , Marco? Is it quezon city Zion..
I’m everyone.. I’m from Philippines.. I can relate so much on ur situation Marco… Thanks God I’m out of this group..
I have a family member in the WMSCOG and apparently they have predicted yet another end of the world in 2014.
I was in the wmscg for 11 years and from 2006 to 2009 all I did was preach about the end of the world in 2012 they even showed us videos of how the world will end with a nuclear blast I am walking proof that the wmscg put fear in us
I never preached. The constant fear of the end, was paralyzingly. Other members preached it was glory, I felt that the life I wanted for myself was over. Heartbroken.
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Anne, I have heard that as well. It isn’t very specific though. I’ve heard possibly a comet from one person. Is that what you have heard? Or is it because of a nuclear blast or something, which North and South Korea seem to be building up to.
My girl friend says things like that all the time. They’ve got her thinking the world’s gonna end. It’s pretty crazy.
that is scary really scary
dear sir i visited this group twice on a saturday and found thier church and the behavior of thier members and leaders very strange on the second visit they asked me to put my cross in my shirt and i was following what ever they did as soon as you refused to they rushed me out of thier church i was never intending to join i just wanted to see if my hunch was right the fact that they have security at the doors of thier churches should have been a warning
what do you mean by unauthorized login by guessing attempts?
I have been thinking about the kinds of things parents do for their kids. Helping kids get over a crush that feels like the end of the world at the time. Answering those questions that are difficult at a time that catches a parent off guard. Do these children remember how their parents invited them to cuddle up with them on the couch and watch a movie especially when it was a children’s movie that most adults wouldn’t watch on their own? How about those times when a bump or a scrape felt like a part of them would never heal and the parents love and care made the pain seem not as bad? Why would anyone who had these types of memories let anyone come between them and their loved ones? If you are a member of the WMSCOG and you have replaced your family with this woman in Korea that doesn’t know your name and cannot hear your prayers or you’re praying to a dead Korean man who only taught Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, wake up! It’s time for you to reclaim your life, your family, and your own thought processes. How many times does the WMSCOG need to change their teachings before you realize that they are liars? Your God given family which raised you is where you need to be. If you need to swallow your pride in order to make things right then just do it! You deserve it and so does your family. Find the real love that you had before.
You Know I have not said much lately In regards to the WMSCOG but I want people to know what takes place there in regards to how someone is removed from the congregation, family and loved one’s. The proses is called “shunning” It took me quite a bit of time to realize how this powerful and psychological proses works. But mx x is the perfect example of this thing and keep in mine the leadership are schooled in this. In my case pastor john lee of LA would tell members to spread thing around and the place jumps on it like wolves and they all get in on the kill. Think about how this would bring embarrassment to your spouse and now they have her under control. I have hear all the things people coming out were told about me. I will tell you I endured longer than anyone and my mined was free from the group long before this all went down. My wife to sides with the church and she took charge a spreading lies about me and to think my children are present there at the church while all this is taking place. I wanted to wake away and start again but how can I wile my children are at risk and bring taught to turn against there father who has loved them beyond what they will be taught. There mother has already shown them a horible example of family and commitment and much more. just to think 2 1/2 years and not one time has she been able to listen. This is a psychological something I will keep to myself. Think and look into it “SHUNNING’ this is there most practiced thing they do to control people. IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO SHOW UP TO COURT TO HELP FREE MY CHILDREN FROM THR GRASP OF THE wms pleas come to court and your stories will be documented into the court and people may use that info to help themselves some day. We must bring as many cases against the WMS as possible it is the only way to stand against them. That way the court system will become farmiliare with the colt and they will loss more and more. pleas show up if you wish to help. San Fernando Court N. valley Dis. 900 3rd st June 18 @ 8:30 NV-K 4th floor Judge Ito. We must make the courts aware
If you can send a certified letter with you loss or story in regards to what is taking place with your loved one’s it will be documented with the court. Pleas mail to 123 S Figueroa #1003 Los Angeles CA 90012 and thaks for all those who care to get involved and I hop for all who have been affected by this group because I am sure at one point over my 15 years there I was also responsible for spreading that poison and if you need some help pleas contact me. Thank you
Tim… I too was in the Reseda church and we know each other.. Itoo was part of this blinding cult that snuffs out the light of God and poisons people with lies.. I still have shell shock from the.wms and I need someone to talk to… please give me your email if possible thank you God Bless You and the best of luck at court..
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for the court to accept your letter at testimony and legal document within the court all letters sent must be certified and in my hand by June 18th so it could be presented to the court. and please people while posting on this site in others please put your real name on your information why are you hiding step forward and put a face on this
Well I filed with the court for an Attorney to represent the children so we can get down to the point if the church is a safe place for the children psychologically and so on> I hop this will put an end the constant problem there mother has caused me for years because of her over active faith, paranoia and riotous lies. I know the Undo Influence is obvious when you look at the info it’s clear and now the children’s attorney will look into it from hear. They will have the have a child psychologist trained in cults tell me face to face there not at any risk be for I stop. I will move trial to Van Nuys Where church sued for picketing.
Hi Tim. Can you please tell me if you were successful? I am preparing to go to court over this as well. My ex husband joined roughly 10 months ago and has become completely fanatical. This church disrupts our 50/50 custody agreement and he spends very little time with our 10 year old daughter due to church obligations. Worse, he is trying to force her to attend (and she has) and he is teaching her privately. Any information you can provide would be of great help. I am desperate to keep her out of this church and their teachings after researching extensively and seeing the affect that it is having on my family. When I tried to appeal to his family, I discovered that he was already in the process of recruiting them and then I was served by his attorney with a cease and desist letter. I am responding to this letter by taking action in court.
i came across 2 of them yesterday and was really shocked by what they shared with me. so i did a internet search and found this site. thank you for the clear explanation.
I was apart of this church for about 7/8 months. The reason I left was because I couldn’t see myself giving up every “Sabbath” day of my life for worship, Also there was weird worship hours during certain festivals and it was very unsafe to attend these meetings at 5AM, insane to say the least. The thing that oddly stood out to me was everyone at the zion I was attending appeared youthful and not many “families” growing up church was always a family affair not an individual. What I did like about this church is a lot of questions I had about religion made sense. Growing up Catholic something was very unsettling to me and found my answers in this church. This is a real commitment and I was not ready to take that plunge. I didn’t feel comfortable praying in a language I don’t understand giving them 10% of my hard earnings. I felt it was taking me away from my family rather than bring us together. I don’t think its God’s will to separate and force prayer times 5AM. I think these sacrifices are proof that the church uses fear and isolation to know they have control over your mind. Anyway after watching the documentary on Netflix “I Survived A Cult” I cried for hours and was thankful I got out of this before I got in too deep and wasted years and precious moments to make someone else very rich. I had friends in this cult too who were so disconnected from their families and friends, I even asked one girl if her best friend was getting married on a Saturday would she attend and she replied wouldn’t attend because its disrespecting God’s Sabbath day. For anyone looking to study it is interesting but if you are willing to pretty much sell your soul to this church they are very pushy and great at making you think if you don’t abide by their rules you are going to hell.
@Lorna_____members got afraid so they’re compelled to give everything including maybe, perhaps their own life. Christians have half of the truth, because when they pray, GOD the FATHER is still there.WMSCOG they have father god ahnsahnghong and mother god zahng gil-ja. at times they give title to father god as second christ coming ahnsahnghong. In any christian belief supported by of course the bible, there is only one christ and thats Jesus. and he is still to come on second coming. when he was taken up in heaven, he was the Christ, hes Jesus the Messiah and the son of Mary. on his second coming, he will still be Jesus Christ, the Messiah and the son of Mary. anybody claiming he is christ he shoud have these identification. if the claimant dont have these ids, then he is a false Christ and if he is a false christ then he is the anti-christ. for all the deceptions and lies of WMSCOG which ahngsahnghong founded, indications are very clear enough that he is the antichrist. so anybody involving themselves in this group and provide support in any form, they are but the messengers of satan. so anybody of them can go to heaven? NOBODY among them can even peep whats in heaven because of what they’re involved, making blasphemy and insulting the TRUE GOD, the CREATOR of all, they are already judged to suffer in the life hereafter, HELL will be their abode forever in fire feeling the agony of pain that they wished they should die again but OH NO, the life hereafter, NOBODY die anymore. basis of judgement where each of us gonna be, paradise or hell, thats all depends how we respect our CREATOR, how we follow HIS commandments, and how we Worship Him.
You are truly blessed I wish I thought like you then I wouldnt have wasted 11 years of my life in that satanic church
MY NAME IS KATHLEEN.2 PEOPLE FROM THIS CHURCH CAME BY MY HOUSE AND TRIED TO CONVINCE ME THAT BRIDE OF CHRIST IS WOMAN AND I WONT GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT PASSOVER.ALSO THAT I SINNED IN HEAVEN AND NOW IM IN A DEATH SENTENCE ON EARTH.I TOLD HER THAT SHE HAS HER BELIEFS AND I HAVE MINE BUT I WOULD LOOK INTO THEIR THEORY.I FELT ANGERED AND VERY LEARY FOR EVERY ANSWER I GAVE HER SHE SAID IM BRAIN WASHED.I TOLD HER WELL I GUESS ILL JUST HAVE TO GO TO HELL THEN.SO IM SO GLAD THAT THERE SOMEONE OUT THERE DISPUTING THERE GARBAGE.THEY JUST TAKE PARTS OF THE BIBLE AND HIGHLIGHT IT AND TRY TO TURN IT INTO THEIR BELIEF. YOU HAVE TO READ ALL THE SCRIPTURE TO GET THE FULL MEANING,NOT JUST A PART OF A SENTENCE OR PARAGRAPH.ALSO WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BIBLE IS SYMBOLIC AND CAN MEAN SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS.IT TAKES ALOT OF STUDYING.BUT EVEN AN IDIOT SINNER LIKE ME CAN SEE THIS GROUP IS DECEITFUL AND IS MISLED AND IGNORANT.THANKS KA,KATHLEEN
@kathleen….this group is really dangerous. ever if they come to your doorstep, the easy way is just to drive them out by let off lose your dog from its cage. see, there are lots of funny thing happened with this group, one may feel irk but if you know how to play with them, it may enlighten them too and who knows these members may backed ou too..lately, there was a coup d’etat in heaven. their god ahnsahnghong using his army specialized in lies and deception tactics, including intimidation, invaded heaven and ahnsanhghong grabbed all the posts there in heaven, God the Father, not spared to the extent that Jesus evicted from his post as Christ.the mother god now is very happy, he got now two father gods partners on her bed.
ok, this event led me to think a little bit deeper trying to think a good name applicable to this group, and i arrived at the best is ANTI-CHRIST 666. Lets see if this name fits. anti-christ means against christ and who uses lies and deceptions in deceiving people. since they have christ ahnsanghong as Jesus already evicted from the post and declare himsel christ ahnsahnghong revealing himself as the antichrist 666.he made himself let known clearly that he is the antichrist because he already grabbed that position after the coup d’etat in heaven.
How dangerous? Did they ever ask money to you? Before you say something about us did you ever tried to visit? Me? I don’t see cults praying with you there! How can you say people in there can brainwash? Three times GOD called me and I ignored him! But for the last time the members approached I tried to listen and now I accept the TRUTH! IT’s hard to believe yes of course. Yet I tried my best. The only way to receive salvation is by accepting the truth! GOD never leave us. The problem is you guys are lacking in faith. Have faith at least!
@lorna. . Your story sounds Exactly like mine and many others. Did they still text u after asking about where you were??? I was in and so is a friend, for around the same length of time, and if you stop going abruptly they show up at jobs , house, text bomb , etc. – I was in a northeast zion…
VOY A CONTAR MI EXPERIENCIA, ACA EN LIMA PERU, SEDE LA MOLINA, YO CREO EN DIOS Y QUE JESUS VINO A ESTA TIERRA A SALVARNOS DEL PECADO, TAMBIEN CREO QUE NADIE VA AL PADRE SI NO ES POR SU HIJO JESUS.
UN BUEN DIA MI HIJO MENOR LLEGO A CASA CON LA NOTICIA DE LA IGLESIA DE dios,Y AHI FUERON MI ESPOSA Y MI OTRO HIJO, MIS DOS HIJOS CON EL TIEMPO SE FUERON A VIVIR A LA IGLESIA,Y YO LOS DEJE PERO CON UN SENTIMIENTO DE CULPA, A UNO SE LO LLEVARON A ARGENTINA PERO LO HICE REGRESAR EN TRES MESES Y EL OTRO SE FUE A BOLIVIA Y TAMBIEN LO HICE REGRESAR Y A MI ESPOSA NO PODIA DECIRLE NADA.
UN BUEN DIA SE ME APARECIERON LOS TRES QUE YA NO QUERIAN IR, COMO QUE LOS HABIAN EXPECTORADO PORQUE HABIA LLEGADO OTRO ÂŽPASTOR COREANO DE HUANUCO O HUANCAYO Y TRAJO A TODA SU GENTE, ENTONCES AHI LES DIJE, A MIS HIJOS,MIREN TODO EL TIEMPO PERDIDO POR UDS Y NO ME HACIAN CASO,Y ELLOS QUE QUERIAN ESTUDIAR, AHI LES DIJE QUE COMO PADRE LES PAGABA LOS ESTUDIOS PERO AHI SE ACABABA LO DE IGLESIAS Y OTROS, YA QUE HABIAN PERDIDO 1 1/2 AĂO, TODO ESTUBO BIEN HASTA HACE POCO CON MI HIJO EL MAYOR QUE ESTA ESTUDIANDO DERECHO Y VA POR EL 3 AĂO DE ESTUDIOS, LE DICEN QUE HABIA LLEGADO EL PASTOR CON EL CUAL SE FUE A ARGENTINA Y HA VUELTO DE NUEVO A LAS ANDADAS, Y ESTOY PREOCUPADO DE QUE DEJE LA UNIVERSIDAD, PERO SI ELEIGE LA IGLESIA HASTA AHI NOMAS QUEDA LA AYUDA COMO PADRE.
ESTANDO EN LA IGLESIA QUE IBA PARA ACOMPAĂARLOS,Y VER QUE ERA ESTA IGLESIA, EL DIA QUE SE DESPIDE EL PASTOR CON EL DIACONO PORQUE SE IBA A ARGENTINA ,AL DESPEDIRSE POR EL MICROFONO DE LA IGLESIA AL TERMINAR EL CULTO SE DICEN NOS VEMOS EN EL CIELO Y ESTO ERA DEL 2011 PARA EL 2012 Y QUE ELLOS HABLABAN SIEMPRE DEL FIN DEL MUNDO EN ESA FECHA. ESTAMOS 2014 AHORA QUE OTRA FECHA DARAN.
NO ESTOY EN CONTRA DE NINGUNA IGLESIA CUALQUIERA PUEDE SACAR BENEFICIIO DE LA GENTE PERO TARDE O TEMPRANO VAN A SER JUZGADOS POR ARREAR A SU REBAĂO PARA BENEFICIO DE ELLOS MISMOS Y NO DEL SEĂOR NUESTRO DIOS.
ESPERO COMO SIEMPRE LA BENDICION DE NUESTRO SEĂOR Y QUE ME DE SABIDURIA PARA SOPORTAR ESTO, HASTA AHORA SE QUE ES VERDAD QUE ESTA IGLESIA SEPARA A LAS FAMILIAS, MENOS MAL QUE MI ESPOSA Y MI HIJO MENOR CAMBIARON SU FORMA DE PENSAR CON ESTA IGLESIA.
I can relate. My son is in this state of mind now. He hardly works and cannot seem ti understand that he needs to care for himself first. He Spends all of his time at church. He was baptized right away. I am desperate and will have to visit the church and investigate the religion. He attends church all day on a Saturday. At least 10-12 hours. If he became homeless because he did not have enough money to pay rent I know for a fact they would not help him. I am being suckered to help pay for his rent since I can’t live with myself if he losses his apartment.
Would the real God help me. My Son is in this church for almost three years and it’s destroying his life. He lives for his death and his eternal life only. He thinks life is meaningless. People involved in this church are so selfish. He just missed a vacation that we took as a family because of this church. He said it wouldn’t look good to newer members if he didn’t stay home even though he was going to attend a branch on vacation. Then they wouldn’t give him an address of the branch where we were vacationing. This church destroys people and families and real beliefs. I pray for anyone in this church to get out and I await they day when my Son wakes up and sees the reality of what he is involved in.
@Andrea____ the problem of the world is GOD, who among people know the True Real GOD. christians most especially who worship a Triun god which the bible never teaches. some cristians have concept of GOD in Jesus as the bible if read without the context says Me and my father are one. Nowhere in the bible Jesus say i am God and worship me. the fake apostle Paul says worship him(Jesus) because he is our God and Saviour so christians followed paul instead of Jesus.
youths or olds involved with this group surety if they cant get out, everything in their life and even their own life subject to deterioration. the only solution is by force or if he still depends his money allowance from you, restrict it. really, i think the best rise up of people to rally/demonstrate against this group which may lead to their final closure. otherwise everything is in vague situation.
Andrea, what you are describing is not uncommon. Rather its very much the same across the zions in the country. The path your son is taking is what many members do. My path in the church was similar. Members do not go to other zions. I’m not certain the reason for this. Members spend more time at church and less with the family. Look at the positive side. Your son is separate from the trouble in the world. At least he will be away from gangs, or drugs, or parties, or alcohol, or anything else. But i believe he shouldn’t neglect the family. Don’t punish him, but encourage him to partake in family events. Don’t impose other religious holidays on him like christmas or thanksgiving or easter. Give him opportunity to be part of the family. Maybe show him examples in the bible how other priests in the old testament took care and spent time with their families. Support him. Find a time to go on vacation in between the 7 feasts. He should still be able leave on vacation. Give him space to keep the sabbath day and prayer times. Give him the notion that God may lead him to a person while on vacation. Encourage him, remind him prayer time is soon. Be on his side and not against him. Dont further separate him. It wont help your situation.
ur an intelligent woman and a silent fighter. congratulations. i wish my wife could have been the same as u. she let herself hooked up with this lunatic group along with her kids instead of her packing up and leave. now a family torn down may not be rebuilt again.
@Amanda ..involvement in such activities can only be resolved by the victims themselves. of course attentive counseling may help though may prove ineffective too. the behaviour of victims shows a deep indoctrination causing their minds to focus on only what are instructed to them. u xplain a thing, they wont listen and always they find ways escaping arguments or simply they just fall silent. what happened to my wife and kids is a product of deep involvement where even me as the head of the family lost control to any of them. my wife’s behaviour of lying indicates a serious malfunction of her subconscious. an alternate solution perhaps is to force them get out or say chain and lock them at home and re-educate them. but for certain, if somebody or on collective efforts, do something to extinguish the WMSCOG so it close down, then eveything is solved, next steps for the recuperation of the victims should already be easier. I think if rallies and demonstrations can be organized against this group, whether those affected or not, may eventually lead to their ejection and cease operation but who, well government and non-governmental organizations should be involved
@Gigi__ force ur son to back out immediately, fight argumentally with those preventing his exit from the group. if they say, you and your son will not be saved because so and so, tell them that WMSCOG including their leaders, pastors and anybody supporting the idea of an absurd religion of man-appointed gods, their abode is hellfire, and the true GOD the GOD CREATOR of the Universe, the GOD of all has already judged them that HELL is their destination and that is their abode forever, that they opt to die again in their second life, but they dont know, in the second life, nodoby will die anymore. their skins will be burned and renewed again and again and they will feel the agony of pain that their lips misplaced. It is written in the Last Testament, the QURAN.
GoDisonlyONE Thanks for replying! I cannot believe that my son was targeted while in college! It sounded great! But now the obsession is beyond words! He does not see that we as a family are worried about him. He goes to church everyday! He has no other conversation in hi mind! I was informing him of what I had read about the church 2 months ago that it did not seem legit and he was offended and his reply was that he knew I was going to tell him that! Sounded like the church prepared him to say that! He seems as though they have him constantly thinking that he goes preaching all the time he carries the bible in his back pack and can not leave home with out it. He put college on hold. Flushed 3 semesters. His student loan, credit card is backed up. No money for rent because his job does he does not make much because of his demanding schedule for church! I don’t understand why if its a organization they should be building him in providing for his future and they have him living for the moment! He said in a text a few days ago that heaven is coming soon! And that the Pope is set out ti visit Korea and start a conflict with their church next month. I am planning something in my mind because I need to thread carefully without breaking him. The church has no idea what they are doing to our youngsters today!
@Gigi…i lost my family to this group, but unsuspecting all i know is its just another spring of a born again church because i went several times accompanying my family in their church and at their end prayers, they’re invoking God the Father and all they ask in the name of the son Jesus Christ, by this anybody will not suspect that they’re invoking some other gods. Lately though, i began noticing something weird and strange to my son, daughters and their mother, that they used to lie most especially where they go everyday. i’m working abroad and i just cant give total control of them because i just have in mind that my wife should lead them to the right way, I was wrong that even my wife’s brother also became member of this organization.
the bible they’re using is the NIV, and the most corrupt bible among all versions of the bible. in the 90’s million of copies of this version were distributed all over the world. i don’t know if i am wrong but i assume that there was a pre-planned objective. I dont know actually if the Pope will have conflict with this group because the papacy also had been involved in so many wrongdoings up to the extent of mass genocide. (if u are a researcher and havent gone yet to sites observing the vatican since then and now, try visiting itccs.org) and/or u can search for vatican crimes simply in your search bar.
@GODisonlyONE Thanks for replying and sorry to hear about your family! I am yet to speak to my son since last week.
@gigi Was the date August 14????
@CK not sure!
reference to the we love you foundation page depicting the chairwoman …. zanhng gil jah says after her statement “God Bless You” Question ???? if she’s god why she not said “I Bless You”
WMSCOG really fabricating stories, lies after lies and deceiving unsuspecting innocents
Christ married his own mother???????!!!!!!!!! only the devil will do that. oh yeah WMSCOG how filthy you are.
good to make movie film for this. gods and goddesses love story!!! starring ahnsahnghong as god the father, elijah-christ, zahng gil jah as mother god, jae hoon kim in supporting role,
directed by Joo Choel Kim. Cast of characters multi-support, all deacons and members, produce by WMSCOG. How about that, blockbuster movie.
How do you explain the book he wrote when he said something “she is still a child or that she was 12 years old?!
I was almost recruited by these people that I met on the street. Despite being a Christian for 15+ yrs, I was mesmerized by their false reports that were actually just cherry-picked quotes from the Bible. I studied with one Korean woman for about a month, and during that time I was thoroughly convinced that I had to divorce my Christian husband. Thank God my husband is so well-studied in the Bible and in Biblical history, for he was able to kick my arse at any debate. Finally I told this Korean lady that I didn’t want to spend anymore time studying with her. Of course she made me feel guilty, like as if I was going to hell. However, I look back on this one month of my life and shake my head in disgust that I ever prayed to some Korean man as if he was Jesus. I love my husband so much and am eternally indebted to him for saving my soul. Since then I have studied the Bible in more detail so that I am better prepared next time I meet a WMSCOG on the street. We also put together a Bible study to prove wrong all of WMSCOG’s teachings. The core of their belief is the second-coming of Christ in a Korean man named Ahnsanghong because they translate “clouds” to mean a human body. Well for a church that claims to be “word of faith” I’ve got news for them, JESUS will return in REAL CLOUDS. His followers LITERALLY watched Him ascend into the clouds. Then some angels came and said “….why do you look into the sky? This SAME Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.” Act 1:10-11
My husband said it best when he said, “Clouds just sometimes mean clouds.” Touche!
Wow. Acts 1:10-11 is a perfect refute their doctrine on Christ’s 2nd coming. I was using Matthew 24:23-30. I would love to get some of the info you have compiled to refute their teachings. Let me know how I could do this. I was thinking if you could put your findings in a .pdf format and put it in a Dropbox folder and then send the link to me.
Here you go:
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/biblical-arguments/
I also have been approached by this church… I attended their bible study for weeks.. they never revealed their belief until after I went along with their baptism.. I was under the impression this was a Christ based Christian church.. Once they revealed their belief in Ahn Song Hong being the 2nd coming of Christ and God the Mother I was very upset and told them I know longer wanted to attend the studies.,, they are a very persistent and bossy group.. they proceeded to come by and call my house… I gave it another try to see if maybe there was some truth to it but still am not convinced,,, they only show u bits and pieces of the Bible to go along with what they want you to believe.. They have tried to impose guilt on me for not wanting to attend their services twice a week,,, after reading this article and many others on the internet today is the day I must put my foot down and tell them to leave me alone.. I believe solely in Jesus Christ and I do not think its right that they would want people living in fear.. telling us we will not die without seeing the end … and will only be saved so long as we are baptized through their church and attend all services as well as celebrate the passover…God does not want his children living in fear like that
The same thing happened to me, but I left Two weeks after going to their Bible studies and once to their service, I felt tricked into getting baptized again, but my boyfriend told that they sound like a cult and once I realized it, I was gone.
I know that my God spoke planets into existance. There’s nothing in the Bible that talks about a father and mother shacking up and making planets.
Omg so many people with wrong ideas the true meaning of the tree is so simple
It’s the church and pharrises of religious law they gave man choice and understanding of stuff god didn’t want us to have like the knowledge of murder hence Cain and Abel you don’t do stuff you don’t know exsists
i want to comment on Missionary Ron’s video. i can agree with some of his comments. the issues he’s had in his zion are present in my zion. and the source of the issues come from the preacher.
i think we need to educate ourselves of the characteristics of korean culture. what we perceive as cult characteristics could be just cultural. will the overseas members tell you the indepth attributes of their culture? from my experience, no. what about characteristics of appearances, false appearances, acts of truth that are followed or repeated with acts of lies. we should understand more about their group mindset and its dynamic. or perhaps the displacement of the truth. (we didn’t do it, it was the catholic church who does it). or value that is put on deceit. or the invoking of envy between people.
i noticed there is a characteristic of hiding the truth. about 2012 prophecy, i think we were all supposed to accept it as truth, but hide this truth and go out to preach with the mindset of saving souls quickly. but some of us dont have such charactoristics like hiding the truth. i think the intention was good but it was through an act of deception.
isnt deception part of korean culture. isnt it hard wired? i know members that have a big issue with 2012 but are still attending. some are not attending anymore. correct me if i’m all wrong here. is there a charactistic of a narrow mindset? is there a charactoristic of control? Ron says he was told to say something to other members. he was controlled as it is called. can someone else comment from their experience? what do you know about korean culture?
I was once told by a Korean friends mother that in her culture Koreans view themselves as the most perfect being to ever bless the Earth with the imprint of their foot. If this is the mentality we are dealing with then it’s easier to understand how they use others without feeling bad about it.
hmmm… ok. i understand the preacher is a position of being a prophet. i understand their preaching or teaching comes from the group. if one preacher in europe is preaching about 2012, it is also preached about in south america. leaders have beliefs and teaching not taught to regular members. what would these be?
Probably the ways they can maximize the profits from the efforts of the members.
look here, WMSCOG has man-appointed gods, ahnsanghong is dead while his concubine zanhng gil ja still maybe alive. are these true gods? NEVER but they are fake and false gods. no creation of GOD can be a god and with such reason, it should already justify that if WMSCOG is not a cult, then all in it are BULLSHITS and FOOLISHNESS, which they apply and take money, time, energy from innocent and unaware victims transforming themselves idiots and lunatic expecting false salvation.
Yes, I actually know Ron personally and was in the same church he was, im going to tell you thatif your still in this church Get Out now while you can! There are dozens of reasons why I left after 11a years and the main reason, my main reason is that I understand the scripture now, and the New Jerusalem is not a women, if you read revelations carefully it clearly says that the water of life was flowing from the throne of God, which the lamb sits at the right side, the new Jerusalem coming out of heaven is the city of God now how can we worship a city,? And in galtions 4:16 the new jerusalem is called our Mother because apostle paul is using the idea of a Mother to show us that we are all related spiritually, there is No actual Mother…. I thank God for revealing me the truth of the new Jerisalem, lol I dont know how I actually followed these lies for so long, and even if she is the supposed God the mother, then they wouldnt hide her divorce papers and two children feom me for 11 years. Its just a big hoax, they use 7th day adventist studies mixed with a few other religious studies and make up stories about ahn sahng hong ! Lol dont waste your time, God bless you and good luck!!,
WMSCOG is an organization opposed to truth which it wanted the false to be the truth. It’s foundation is all falsehood and though their false god and false christ opposes the idea of a mother god, it’s of no use because the man is dead and in no way can defend himself. At this point in time, this not so important because already the false doctrine of worshipping a dead man and his living concubine should already be sufficient to prove that WMSCOG is the church of SATAN.
I like this guy.
whether elijah or jesus, ahnsanghong cannot be either one of them. Prophet Elijah also was not John the Baptist. The idea is derived from buddhist and hindu belief of Reincarnation which is not even mentioned in the Scriptures. Resurrection mentioned at times in the Bible is not implying Reincarnation. WMSCOG absurd doctrine is a mixture of christianity, buddhism and hinduism.
Here in Cebu Philippines. I was also preached by two girls but they never told me what religion they came from.They said that I need to do the passover in order to be save and the sabbath day during saturday.They also said that their is the bride of Jesus/God that is a woman, and also that we are angels before in Philippians 3:20. It’s like that for them they are the real christian and the others are nOt.They told me that babies who died will go to hell and then Jesus will give them chance by preaching their. What they don’t know that I’m a Born Again Christian and I know what is it that I believe…Please leave a reply of your comment..
everybody in WMSCOG believe that they are christians, but nope they belong to Aryan denomination because they have none real god. how could be a dead man and his living concubine became gods is only the kind of thinking of insane people. i really wonder how the buddhist and hindu traditions became accepted by a number of filipinos. buddisht and hindus believe in reincarnation which is not even mentioned in any books of the bible. filipinos become idiots like the uneducated nepalese and indian hindus. WMSCOG telling they are the true church. one thing certain is they are the true church of satan and all of them will go to hell.
I thought only God can say who is going to heaven and to hell. lol. try not to condemn yourself so soon dude. remind me to go to your church where they call people idiots and say whos going to hell or not. lol im literally dying at all these comments you “christians” and “believers” are commenting. thank God im not one of you.
Brother, I understand that you are very confused. Yes it is hard to believe, but if you try to listen carefully, you will understand that everything. AS IN EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW. I am a catholic before, and I have a lot of questions about my religion because my religion does not follow the TEN COMMANDMENTS. World Mission Society Church of God aims to tell everyone that our second coming Christ already came down to this earth to give us salvation. I know you have read the bible yet you did not know Jesus came for the second time.
So because you see catholic as wrong the WMS is right? I’m sorry that you’ve fallen for Satan’s great deception. I hope your eyes are opened soon. You’re trapped in a nest of lies!
Thanks for this video warning. I knew nothing about this group until today, when 2 apparent members tried to recruit me. Red flags immediately went up when they tried to twist scripture to “prove” there was a God the Mother (blasphemy!), and their false legalism about a Saturday sabbath (I choose to make every day a day for the Lord). They departed quickly after I cited various scriptures about end times bible prophecy (e.g., the Restrainer, the covenant the Antichrist confirms for 7 years, etc.) They seemed to believe we’re in the end times (I certainly believe this is the end of this age right before Jesus’ return), but their end times understanding differed from the Bible in many respects. Basically, they write their own gospel (see Galatians 1:8).
one of the signs of the end times is the coming out of Antichrists preaching false doctrines leading people towards hell. the gods of this group, WMSCOG are themselves anti-christs for the reason that their male appointed god has taken the name second coming Christ Ahnsahnghong, and how was that the man is dead and Jesus still has to come but they say Jesus has came already in the person of ahnsahnghong. Again how? when Jesus returns he would be the same Jesus who ascended into heaven, a Jew, the Messiah and the son of Mary. and when he comes he will not die again because it was believed that he ascended into heaven with resurrected body. there’as none real doctrine of this devil church. people joining are unaware of the bait and they give tithes, jewelries, money, time, energy etc etc. expecting salvation while there’s no salvation for this group and instead they are subject to salvage-tion.
Ahn’s old tombstone had the names of his children on it. The WMSCOG for many years taught that Ahn was never married and didn’t have any children. Not they play it off that it is no big deal that Ahn had kids and even try to justify the idea that Ahn had to have kids. Why would Ahn have cheated on Chang/Zahng and had kids with another woman is a question that the WMSCOG refuses to sufficiently answer. Another question is that if Ahn was god why would he come to earth and have sexual relations with one of his children?
If their literature is found to contain errors they find it easier to cover the errors with lies than to admit there’s a problem.
The Islamic Quran is more specific with regards to creation. Accordingly, angels and one of them is Gabriel were created from pure light, the jinns and one of them is Satan were creared from smokeless fire, the first man Adam was created from molded clay and Jesus was created from word; for GOD to create HE says only “BE” and it is. That’s how powerful unseen SUPREME POWER IS.
yeah, like that 2012 end of the world prophecy. they admit they done the prophecy and after nothing happened they say because it was postponed by god ahnsahnghong and mother god due that they give respite to everybody. they say they have answer(s) to all questions, any question. funny though that answers fail to stand against reason.
I was just thinking about the thought process here. There’s a fake mother god so there must be a real mother god. What??? Going with that kind of thought process, there’s a fake Jackalope so there must be real Jackalope. There’s a fake Fiji mermaid so there must be a real Fiji mermaid. Obviously there are flaws to this kind of thinking and only someone trying to manipulate others would try to use this school of thought as some kind of proof.
There’s a fake Jackalope?
This is some seriously flawed thinking. There’s a fake god the mother so there must be a real god the mother? With this kind of logic you have to believe that if there’s a fake jackalope then there must be a real jackalope, if there’s a fake Fiji mermaid then there must be a real Fiji mermaid, if there’s a fake Santa Clause then there must be a real Santa Clause. Is there anyone that really wants to follow this train of thought down this dirt road?
What do they say that is not in the bible? Tithe, study God’s word, meet together, live in peace?
It’s really not a matter of if its in the bible or not it’s how they use the Bible to justify what they’re teaching. You can make the Bible back up many different topics but is it being taken out of context? This is the main issue and problem with the WMSCOG and groups like it.
THIS CHURCH IS SOOOO FAKE, WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP ATTENDING, I WASTED 11 years of my life with these liars!!! Only to find out that The supoosed God the mother is divorced and has children, lies and more lies, thank you Jesus for getring me outta there!
@former member…very nice of you, you have the guts to research unlike other members who already perhaps submit themselves to anything WMSCOG tells them. You have again redeemed your spiritual welfare. 11 years and you’re lucky you didn’t die while with WMSCOG.
but in reality the idea of “mother god” already is a flaw so either which leads to a dirt road. must find another way. a dirty road is real dangerous.
This website is falsehood and I am sorry you all feel this way towards our church. But learning the truth from the internet is not the way to go about it. Jesus had only a group of believers at his 1st coming while so many Jews hated him. It is the same now just through the internet. People please wake up and see the falsehood in every Sunday going, cheistmas, Easter, etc celebrating church and know that is not the teachings of Jesus Christ. Those are pagan rituals which was introduced into the churches after Christ an the early apostles returned back to heaven. If the church doesn’t follow Jesus’s teachings, how do you expect to find truth from that church or their teachings. Please don’t turn away from God following mans traditions. Understand Jesus he would have a new name at his return to this earth. Do not be mislead by those who don’t follow the teachings of Christ.
In conclusion: pay attention to what is taught at churches and what is taught through the Bible, if they do not match, you must think about how you are going to follow the true teachings of Christ which will lead you to the kingdom of Heaven. People please wake up. God Bless you all.
Amen
ABSOLUTELY!
Did you read my comment, Mother’s Love? I met people personally, face to face, and also talked to even more on the phone. It isn’t from the internet that I learned the most. Their stories matched exactly what my experiences have been. You need to get out of the snow globe the Wms puts you in when you become a member. You actually need to see what is out there.
So sad when people waste their time in this scam of a group. That seems to be what they are most angry about after they discover they were lied to. And who is the Father of Lies, Mother’s Love? You know the answer.
I had never hard of this cult till last night while I was shopping. At first I thought they were Jehovahâs witnesses.
They started with Galatians 4:26, asking if Iâve ever heard of mother god.
I said no, Iâm a Christian and Jerusalem is not god. I explained to them the holy trinity but they donât believe in the Holy Trinity. They said it doesnât make sense. I was about to explain to them the Holy Trinity when one of them showed me a verse in Revelation mentioning the bride. They donât even know that the bride represents the church, đ€Šđ»ââïž
After a few minutes they started getting irritated because I did not believe a word they said. One of them invited me to their Bible study. I told them I lead a Bible study group at our church.
I asked them if they worship Jesus and they said yes. They said they are saved. I asked who their savior is and they said itâs mother god! Yikes !!
This is why itâs crucial to know our Bible. That way we can discern truth from heresy. We wonât recognize whatâs false if we donât know the truth.
As they were about to leave I told them I would be praying for them. That made them more irritated !
Pretty much everyone here has learned from the Bible before we ever looked at the internet. We don’t hate your church or the people in it. We hate the lies the leaders of your church try to feed innocent people. Do your research. I have. I don’t just look at the internet for my information, either. I meet people face to face and talk to them. I also talk to them on the phone. I have met many over the years I have dealt with this. Their stories and mine match about the lies and exploitation by the leaders of the Wms. Most of us know there are good people in the Wms, we are just very aware that they are being lied to, cheated of their money, and also of their futures. If the internet is so bad, then why does your church have websites and youtube videos up? Doesn’t that seem like a contradiction to you? It’s so very bad, well, unless WE are doing it?
Im from philippines a college stuident I was walking from school i will go home at that time there is also a girl (korean) of that church who invited me yesterday and i come and listen to her we had a bible study after that she get my number and ask if im free for tomorrow i said YES and i came back after that day and after we had a bible study again she encouraging me to be BAPTIZE in their church so it means im not allowed anymore to go in the other church such as in the catholic church.So i tell her that im not yet prepared i’ll just come back and i will tell to her if im ready and willingly to be baptize Im really confuse right now because I am partially believe to them and I am 95% believing in catholic.
What should i do?
that was what i wrote a while ago
But NOW I WILL NOT MEET THEM ANYMORE NOW MY MIND WAS CLEARED ABOUT THEM BECAUSE I WAS TOO CONFUSE ABOUT THEM CAUSE EVERYTIME IM IN THEIR CHURCH I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGH THE PEOPLE THERE ARE FRIENDLY AND NICE .
GOOD THING IS I DONT ACCEPT TO BE BAPTIZED. đ YEAHHH IM SO HAPPY :))) GOD BLESS US AND BEWARE OF THE CULT GROUP :)Yeheyyy
Yes, that is their procedure. Expect to be baptized right away. They believe we should be baptized immediately. Also in their culture they are very eager people. Expect to be called and asked to return often. Its cultural. You cannot be both catholic and wms member. You’ll have to choose one side. Isnt the catholic church a little satanic anyways? Lol.
Can anyone tell me why Missionary Ron left WMS? What was his turning point exactly? Did he stopping believing in mother? Was he spiritually weighed down? I suppose he would be the best person to answer this…
Did you not watch the video? I think Ron stayed in this group way too long! He should have seen the destructive and deceptive practices of the WMSCOG relatively early and figured out that this group is NOT lead by God! The other thing that is really obvious is that Jesus NEVER taught the doctrine or teachings of the WMSCOG therefore the WMSCOG is a strange doctrine and should NOT be belived at all.
I understand what you have gone through. I’m trying to see for myself the truth within the church. The church is very cultural. The way is very South Korean. The group well being is above the individual. If you are suffering, its below the group, its less important. The zion is under control of its overseer. The group is taken care of, not the individual. Many, many people leave my zion. Jesus said to Peter “feed my sheep.” But I know the sheep in zion are not properly fed. Too many leave and it is to the loss of the church. The individuals in leadership seem not to understand. Their view is very narrow. The mindset is very narrow. They care too much about the group. But its the individuals who make the group.
Isaiah 2:3 says : Many peoples will come and say; come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths. The law will go of Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle many disputes for many peoples.
Are disputes settled for many peoples? No. Backs are turned. Many people leave. Is it not true? I believe members in Zion do not settle disputes. Something is wrong if a 12 year dedicated member leaves over a small dispute. Maybe prophecy is not be fulfilled. Will christ come and remove them and the lampstand of the WMSCOG as prophesied in revelation 2:5? Im afraid I will not answer this question. đ
I’ll give a short reply; they never were a lampstand and there is nothing except the prophesy of false prophets claiming to be God that fits the WMSCOG. The Bible tells us to avoid them and don’t believe them.
T H. WMS believes they are the prophetical church of Ephesus. Its similar to SDA believing they are the prophetical church of Laodicea. Thats why I brought it up. I believe the prophecy fits with them. The NKJV describes the church of Ephesus as the loveless church. To me it fits. Hearing the testimony of ex members bothers me. Quite loveless. Not much i can do except for posting here. WMS has people who check these sites. My message should get though.
I agree on some points. Despite their preachings about “love” they don’t know what love is. As for them representing any kind of wishful thinking they are not any kind of Christian church. They can wish and hope they are one but their own doctrine and teachings prohibit them from the Christian faith. They invalidate themselves.
WMSCOG is a PAGAN church. That’s where they belong because of their worship towards a dead man and to that whom thy’re calling mother god.
The same thing happened with my girl friend here in India I am going to take police action against that prostitute Jahng Jil Jah for misleading young girls she is prostitute as per Bible’s saying
Thank you for sharing, I had been to church many times with my girlfriend who now left me due to church. I am from India and my name is yogesh, I am Hindu brahmin. The way in which they preach affects especially to Christians others can not relate to it and can really point that they are aggressively marketing.
I got that Saturday should be Sabbath that must be correct, one should not wear cross that is also true. Passover and other things which Jesus followed no other church follows they told that also sounded ok to me but i couldn’t relate myself to Passover, as i believe if you are good person you will go heaven any formality like Passover is just foolishness
They demand so much time and separate you from your loved ones, they don’t even give you time to think or listen what you are doing is right or wrong it is gobbels theory that a lie told again again seems to be truth, and you can not go away from that.
beware of and self made false gods and godesses
please those who are from WMSCOG stop explaining no need they are blind just go and preach that is Gods will that we save the world there is no other church that preaches the message day and night like us.
Ahh, the blind leading the blind. You’re right though, no one is deceiving quite like your group. There’s nothing new under the sun just different variations of the original deception. Your truth is not in us because our eyes are open. They are much like a parachute. There only effective when there open. Wake up, open your eyes, and free yourself from this group. There’s a lot of free information in this website and lots of people who are willing to help you. We cannot do it for you but we certainly can help. If you’re not willing to come out of the WMSCOG then at least be able to prove us wrong! By the way, just saying we’re wrong doesn’t work! Truth stands on its own! I dare you to prove us wrong with truth and reality!
My I ask what church you go to ? What is Jesus new name you pray to ? Im sure you went to the spirit and Bride in Rev 22:17 and received the water of life ! Now since you did give me all the correct interpretation of the Bible ! Were is your root of David To come in the last days and give us the right interpretation and unseal the Scriptures Rev 5 : 1-5 . Reply when you have the answers ! God bless you ! You guys know the Bible like the back of your hands going against Christ and don’t even know it ! Wow Go to Zion and learn fully before you make a webpage Trying to discredit the church , didn’t Paul persecute Jesus Hard only until God changed his heart he realized Jesus was actually God in the flesh . Im sure he had a lot of reason why he didn’t believe Jesus was God. But didn’t take away that he was actually God ! The people focused on the family of Christ and his life before The appointed time him revealing who he actually was ! Jesus lived a normal human life before that appointed time ! Same now with Father, Mother! They are God !
You are a lot ignorant. Poor guy. In the whole Bible you never see that the new name is Ahnsahnghong or Zahng Gil Jah. Jesus said accordingly to that dream of John, I will come with a “NEW NAME”.Period. So until he is not coming yet that new name remains a “NEW NAME” and when he will be here already he will let people know what is that new name if indeed that verse of a dreamt revelation comes true. Jesus did not say that he is coming with a new name ahnsahnghong. You see, that verse actually is the primary reason why there are so many people claiming to be the Christ. But, Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be a christ or god, it’s you and WMSCOG given him the title after his death. You’re very funny people.
Remco9519, the bible is sealed with seven seals my friend, Only the children of God and seeds of Abraham and ones with an open heart to recognize Christ can truly see, Why would God say plainly the new name????? If he did this everybody on the Earth would receive salvation because we would all know, Gods gives free will yes??? So then a love found is much greater than a love forced, searching for the truth is much more greater than a love inherited in Man’s word, I used to be a Catholic and very strong even marking my body with bible verses, not saying much but I was dedicated to follow Jesus Christ, I have followed him so much that he lead me straight to the truth with an open and willing mind heart and soul, ignorance is of the devil, I’m open to all, but if you can prove the spirit and the bride wrong I’ll follow you, we preach 24/7 because being with God is not a part time job, it’s a thankful and giving life, I’ve lost so much of my physical worldly things after I have been in he truth, thanks to mother and father my treasures are in heaven along with my heart, now gaining a spiritual and heavenly family, we are not fake as some of the people have said, we are equal to all of you as humans, God bless all of you, but please, 1.1 million people were of Israel in the time of Jesus, 12 of which believed, let’s be real here, the pherocies acted just as all others in faith do, please stop rejecting Christ, destroy doubt and worldly teachings and watch how your life changes, I love you all brothers and sisters, please come to the truth, if not, then so be it, I’ll pray for you, and also we will all see on judgement day, but Jesus explained that they testified about him so they will surely tresify about us, true believers, the ones able to recognize Christ, God is not difficult if you are accepting of him, please stop battling and go to a church for yourself and talk to a deacon or missionary or pasture, somebody great in faith and knowledge, it will all be from the bible, not from our worldly minds, this flesh will be gone soon, let’s stop caring so much for worldly things, and worldly religions, all you need to do a study on the book of Daniel and revelations, it’s very bold but obvious, Amen, hopefully see you in the next dimension , the Kingdom of Heaven! do not be lead astray
Tom, where are you? Is it taking this long for you to discuss my reply with the leadership of the WMSCOG? Do you have any kind of reply that is truly your own or does the truth have you stumped again? I imagine that the leadership might have talked you into not talking to us anymore. If this is true then it just proves the bondage that you are under. May God help you get free.
WOW Tom, I must have really hit you with some deep theological stuff! Two weeks without a response. I guess the answers you’re getting from the WMSCOG are not very good. Not good enough to post anyway. I hope this interaction is causing you to distance yourself from the WMSCOG and all of their lies. The “Truth” stands up to scrutiny lies don’t. This is why the WMSCOG doesn’t want you to see this website or to get into exchanges with us. They will lose you to the truth.
NO GOD OF MOTHER. That’s clear. You are trinitarian but having another Persona of God, MOTHER OF GOD?? So how will it be? three plus one? Like sales on market? C’mon.
And, if you believe Ahnsanghong is the Christ, then he is perfect and flawless. how about Ahnsanghong falsely predict two dates of end of the world (See wikipedia, for example)? Your claims are not on the bible, unless you interpret it -_-
World Mission Society Church of God follow everything what Jesus taught
They help many people whom need their help
Only we should say to them is thank you
This seems a little crazy. In the book of Timothy it states that those who do not take care of their families are worse that the heathens. I would also like to know where you are keeping the bodies of the disobedient children that you’ve put to death? You follow the Bible? I seriously doubt it! As for helping others, why do they do it? It appears that they do it to get public recognition. Don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing! Once again I say, “You follow the Bible? I seriously doubt it!”
Do you even follow the Bible? Do you even keep what Jesus has taught you to do? Didn’t Jesus tell to us to “help others” and “share God’s love”? Did you ever do it? đ
How could this dead man and his concubine when he was still alive became gods? People turning their worships to this man-made gods are either retarded or insane. All in this WMSCOG is foolishness and teaching members to turn away from the TRUE GOD. They are but committing the greatest sin against the Commandments. YOU dumb members, wake up and pack-up for you are but being lied to and deceived by koreans. GOD has no nationality and nobody seen HIM face to face.
This church has brainwashed their memebers to think God has chosen South Korea as their holy ground. They makes their people memorize prays in Korean and females to wear veils during service…like the hair on my head is sinful but men’s are not?!I witnessed their ceremony last night, the celebration of tubernacles and ran for my life.
Yes everything you say is very true. I learned about the feasts and according to them you have to keep all of them to be saved. Plus I don’t believe their versions of the Bible.
Yes you are absolutely right, the WMSCOG is a biggest cult on this earth. Remember the devil will be very powerful in the last days, the result is in front of us. This is the the that has destroyed OUR JESUS CHRIST.
Thank jesus christ that we see the light, The New Jerusalem is our heavenly home, lol not a person, this false claim has people sounding wacko thank you God Jesus Christ our savior for revealing this to us and avoiding extrwme punishment.
I knew Ron Ramos, we were both in the Reseda church, I was a member for 11 years and I can tell you exactly why he left, in the beginning we were told many things about Mother and Father, and one of those things were that she had Zero children, only to discover a decade later that she has TWO children which completely contradicts what we were taught. Another Reason is that we were also told that the world would end around 2012′ and as we got closer to 2012 they began changing their teachings to adjust to their lies which were boubling up little by little, we found that a bit alarming although we were to brainwashed and wrapped in fear to speak up on it, another reason is that Ahn sahng Hong never created the WMSCG, he died while still attending his Church called the NCPOG,I mean theres so much more to this story its like a whole chain of Lies just poured out, Ahn sahng Hong has 3 kids that blew us away, and its funny because Iwas there wjen they made a video about how everything that happened was prophecy it was seriously like a joke to me, it was like they made it worse with the video and could not explain why M and F had children iI was done, especially after they made us preach on Mothers day, that was ridiculous, and they justified that situation by quoting the bible, saying let the dead bury the dead. THANK God I got a second chance at life because I was not happy living fearful all tje time and guilty, The WMSCG teaches blasphemy, pray to Jesus and pray the Our Father Prayer thats why its in the bible
Thank you Former Memeber for your testimony. I appreciate your words of truth. I am at your position too. Except I havent reacted. I havent left. I am hiding the truth (I’ve realized) and keeping quiet. I haven’t made the step to leave just yet. Its good to know what is happening in other zions. Yes, expect to be told lies first, not the truth first. Surely the people will be judged after the last day. Really? They have been changing their teaching? My zion has been changing their teaching too. The group of Zions have been changing their teachings. Its what they don’t tell you. Just like what missionary says. Did you know we are celebrating the year of jubilee? 2012 is the past now. Its the year of Jubilee. Do you get my point? Lets be happy now.
Yes Issachar, You must react soon, I am glad to hear that you are thinking for yourself, I can tell you that Their is alot of things you should know before you keep attending, its funny because they the wmscg always quotes Gal 4:16 that the Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our Mother, …. right, but in Reality Apostle Paul was not talking about a women at all, he was talking about the city in Heaven that is made of Gold, also mentioned in the book of Revelations. And I know this because remember when Jesus said that he will be sitting at the right hand of Gods throne, right, well the.WmscG told us that the water of Life flowing from Gods throne in Rev. 19′ 20′ 21, they told us that the one.sitting on the throne was Mother because only a woman can give life, but that cannot be possible, because Jesus had already told us, that he will be seated at the right side of God the Father, I forgot which verse that is put im sure many can google that, yes so after I reasoned with a deacon about it, he took it to pastor and they stopped preaching that study, its literally gone and all their studies have been updated. Now they only keep reciting Gal 4:16 which is not speaking about an actual woman but The city of God, because if you read it carefully, it says more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband, which actually means that the New Jerusalem is not a person because only a city can contain more Children than a human being. Not sure if you follow, basically, Apostle Paul is talking about the City of God and compares it to Sarah Abrahams wife because we are the children of promise who belong to heaven and the City new Jerusalem is our home and represents our citizenship in Heaven. Its like if I, was trying to explain to someone where im from I would say that my Mother Is Los Angeles, right, and then all of the sudden people begin praying to Los Angeles and make a human as the Idol to call Los Angeles my Mother….. it Truly doesnt make any sense…. and to make matters worse, She is divorced, anyone who knows the bible knows that God Detest’s and is against divorce and the bible says that any woman who is divorced sins and no man can marry her or they both sin, so we know that God is perfect, and thats what makes God different from his enemy the Devil, God has laws and Morals which reveal his true devine nature, because we know that Lies come from the devil so anything that is built on a lie cannot stand, a kingdom cannot stand when it is divided amongst itself, God does not change, and God is not a mystery as quoted in the bible, Brother! There is so much more and its not likely that they will answer you with an honest answer, so keep on researching on your own because God is seperating the wicked from the righteous and we can not recieve blessings while worshipping false idols, I will Pray tjat you my dear friend see the.Entirety of this Group and leave these wolvea in sheeps clothing! I am right here, any questions I will be happy to answer, God Bless your soul and continue to pray my Brother, these people will be judjed.
“I want to know what love is, I want (wmscog) to show me” But not. They are the loveless church. According to scripture love fulfills the law of god. I think love is very foreign to some of them. Its like speaking a new language. Do you remember when Kim Jong Un of North Korea created a lie, an appearance to the country that North Korea was in the World cup. They showed a video and it was in the news, and what not. The North Korean leaders had the country believe they were winning games and going towards the final. Now its part of appearances and korean culture. Could South Korea do the same? Are they capable? Possibly? Lies are completely okay in korea if the means (lies) justify the ends.
Very truly I tell you, Korea is one country, North and South. But divided. This division goes to the very mindset of the people and culture. You’ll receive both lies and truth from the church. You’ll receive their division. Although this site is focused on the negative parts of this church, there is good in the church.
Have you seen the website?, “examining steve hassan” Its a copy and repeat of this site. Very korean and all biased comments from controlled members. Although there is much slander on this site ( examiningthewmscog) there is also truth in here.
I am a member and I want to think outside the group (outside the box). Paul says be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.
I have to strongly disagree with you about this. There are good people in this group but the whole of the group is bad. The good that is done by the WMSCOG is done for very selfish reasons although the people participating in the good acts I like to think are doing it with a good intention. People can do these good things without this group of selfish individuals motivating them to do it. I am not a member and I don’t want you to just think outside of the WMSCOG box I want you to become free of their box. This is a form of modern day slavery. It’s much more dangerous though because it traps a persons mind into thinking that some group has all of the answers and must be followed without question. This very idea goes against what the Bible teaches as does the doctrine of the WMSCOG. Please stop being blind. Think outside of the box and get outside of the box. Have you ever noticed that the people that truly leave the WMSCOG never go back? They learn the truth of the WMSCOG and when they get free of it they never want to be enslaved by it again.
T H, I am on this site because I am doing some research on my own. Just like the title says. This is a present member’s story… I understand what you have written. You want me out? You dont know me. Perhaps I enjoy being controlled by the title holders, and that I like to speak their words and act the way they dictate for appearances to the newer members. Surely I am not trapped and cannot get out.
But all kidding aside, đ
I want to get to the bottom of this group. I want to know more. T H you are on the outside looking in. I believe I have an advantage. For a pastor to control a member to have an abortion is extremely wrong. Their appearances should not have priority over real life. At my locale I have not witnessed such heinous control. That needs to be corrected immediately. Why does that happen? Whats the reason. Members should ask questions.
There is some good. The church is right on some levels. but also wrong on other levels. Its their division they have. Lies and truth, wrong and right. Its like the the dmz between north korea and south korea.
Surely I am not trapped like the people in North Korea. But the culture on the inside of the grouo is present with WMSCOG. We are dealing with a cultural phenomenon I believe. But it appears to be cult charcteristics. Thoughts?
How the f#%@ did you guys fall for this lol? Hahaha… I’m sorry, but how do people fall for this crap?
Then again, I suppose I should feel lucky that my circumstances are such that I didn’t have the experiences that would lead me to these ‘places’… For example, I was always extremely curious about the world, always asking questions, and having access to youtube/google made the world of a difference when it came to finding out that god doesn’t exist/religion is bullshit and it poisons everything(christopher hitchens), and I suppose that my parents weren’t terribly religious, although I was raised as a muslim. But seriously… I need to do more research on this. How do people fall for this crap?
Anyways, congratulations on getting out and helping others make a difference. I mean, if the money truly goes to ‘helping’ there shouldn’t be any worries about releasing a financial statement should there? The problem is it’s going to ‘mcmansions’ and bentlys while innocent money struggling people are supporting this while thinking it’s going to their internal salvation… It’s horrible, horrible, horrible…and I’m glad, again, people like you are doing something about it.
Commenters please move this conversation to the forum so that it will be easier for all to follow and participate. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
And not only that, those innocent struggling people are also supporting the businesses of WMSCOG.
My thoughts are that if you’re going to get to the bottom of this group then you are going to have to spend some serious time away from it! The thought process you’re portraying here, your idea of what seems logical, the way you’re defending this group all points to the fact you’re being controlled therefore enslaved. You cannot do what you say you’re trying to do while you’re under their influence. Other places in this forum it’s been explained like this; If lies are like poison, how much poison inside of something that’s supposed to be good for you (a glass of water for example) would it take to kill a person? My understanding is that the amount is not very much and even if you looked at the glass of water you wouldn’t even notice it was in there. I am on the outside witnessing the destructive force of the poison. As things are right now you’re telling me how it’s not so bad, give it a chance, I want to see how much I can take. Brother, I wish I could scream it to you threw a megaphone, GET OUT! You’re not going to realize the bigger picture until you are out from under the influence of it. You say it’s possible that you like to be led and controlled then how about joining a political party? It’s even possible that some good could come out of something like that. You’re just killing yourself right now. Please look at what I’m saying here and at least give yourself some time away from this group so you can clear your head and make a better and more informed decision.
Spiritual marriage?. so that may mean no intercourse between their flesh? Foolish lunatic WMSCOG people inventing tons of lies upon lies. Of any simplest question asked, they can never give any straight forward answer which can stand logic and reason and even if it’s so confirmed that their brains are empty, they still pretend to know everything and accordingly every question they can answer. They say, “is it because ASH is dead and that renders him not qualifying as christ?” Well, they add, “Jesus was not accepted before 2000 years ago but only accepted by the people later times” So they reiterate that ASH should also be acknowledge after 2000 years? Ha Ha Ha!!! What kind of thinking is that? Jesus eversince he was born was already accepted by majority of people as he performed lots of miracles with God’s permission. It were only the Pharisees and Saducees who were his enemies.
What more proof you need for you to believe. There’s already in this site the translation of the interview including that of the names of the family of ahnsahnghong marked in his tomb and still you don’t believe. Show then to us any marriage contract of ahnsahnghong and your mother god zahng gil ja if they were really married as per your WMSCOG records. All of you members of WMSCOG are lied to and deceived by love bombing of your deacons and pastors. Aren’t you all not ashamed in worshiping false gods which makes you pagans? All proofs are here already and one more thing WMSCOG was branded as a cult by the South Korean government and this thing also you don’t beleive? WMSCOG makes you dumb and foolish. Don’t you feel it?
I hope that satan is not using you to deceived us from the truth. I hope you can change your mind
Christ AhnSahngHong didn’t physically marry Heavenly Mother. Show proof we ever said that remco. If you can’t you belong to the father of lies.
I am a living, breathing testament that the WMSCOG is an organization that persuades loved ones to loss touch with their close spouse, or close family members. My husband was lost to the WMSCOG. PLEASE stay far away from this organization. We had a loving marriage. We were happy and newly married, just 2 years in. My husband was contacted at work by two Korean woman and had asked us if we had heard of a “heavenly mother.” My husband had many meetings with these woman and other people from the cult EVERY DAY for the next 7 days… they bombarded him. Until a couple weeks later he told me that he had been meeting with them and had wanted to get baptized. I was very surprised because he was attending our shared church with me regularly, acting as if everything was normal… 4 months later he finally decided to admit that he had converted to WMSCOG anyways even though we had decided together on him taking his time to investigate farther… the members pushed him to do it– aided and abetted him in lying to me– his own wife. He became completely obsessed with it giving up every bit of family time for a meeting or some get-together that always seemed to run his life. Not only that– but he turned on me and scoffed at me and laughed at me when I was in tears when I tried to share a spiritual relationship with him, a strong one we once had… I lost my best friend. I hope someday he will come home. We miss him, the old him, one not completely consumed with trying to prove to everyone that this destructive cult is good. I miss him so much.
It was your husband who wronged his soul. Satan is a deceiver yet he himself is not accountable over the choice man make to himself, though WMSCOG was use by Satan as instrument for deception. We human beings should always keep in mind and be on guard against our arch enemy for eversince the beginning, this chief of the Jinns already was successful in deceiving our parents Adam & Eve, and he vowed to GOD his Creator that he will attack man in front, at back, at his sides, from above and below him, and those who fall to his traps, they’ll certain surely suffer in the life hereafter. WMSCOG and the many cults are just his agents.
Be brave and be strong.
Would it be possible for you to go to the forum and send me a private message? I have been dealing with this mind control group for over five years now, and know many people with similar stories. I am so sorry this happened to you. It is the same story over and over with this group.
I now prove that there will people that will deny GOD because they were used by satan.
Mike, what “proof” are you talking about? The Bible tells us that Satan will do these things but I hope you are not using those scriptures as your “proof”. We have spent years now testing the doctrine and studies of the WMSCOG and the proof of much of this effort is in this website. We completely deny that Ahn and/or Zahng/Chang/Chung, or whatever other alias she has gone by, are God. Please be much more open and obvious with any “proof” that you think you are bringing here. Thank you.
The atheists deny the existence of GOD. WMSCOG deny the true GOD but they have their false gods. WSMSCOG is just one instrument of SATAN to carry on his lies and deceptions. Worshiping a dead and even a living person is evil in the sight of GOD – I mean the true GOD, the Creator of everything. Who then is being used by Satan? The Atheists just don’t believe in GOD, while WMSCOG have even more worst crime for ejecting GOD from His Throne and replaced Him with their invention.
Are you not the one who was been a instrument by satan? Don’t do this kind of comments for you and all of the people using this site that saying World Mission Society Church Of GOD is a cult and a merely instrument by satan. I already seen the truth, my eyes had been deeply opened about the truth there will be no need of proofs if you do believe and think beyond your physical life. If the World Mission Society Church Of GOD is a cult and an instrument by satan? How do possibly satan wants us to remember again the things he destroyed thousands of years ago for us not to recognize GOD the Father and God the Mother and fall again to his deceptions. I hope you enter the World Mission Society Church Of GOD and study it by yourself and not by consulting this kind of website and believe those people saying about this religion and I’m sure that you will know the truth. May heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother guides you to the true way. I know what will you reply to my comment but I’m telling you for one last moment that I will not deceived by you nor Satan’s doings..
It’s because if I give up to this church there is no more way I can back to GOD
I don’t remember Jesus EVER teaching us about a god the mother. Please show me where to find these teachings. While you are at it show us your research that “proves” that Satan did away with god the mother so that we did not remember. Your eyes have been deeply opened (whatever that means) and thinking about God requires thinking outside of our physical life. If you imagine that you are so enlightened above us then I encourage you to please share out of your extensive knowledge. I prefer to follow the ONE TRUE GOD of the BIBLE.
Boy I’m looking forward to your comment based on your statement…”I know what will you reply to my comment”.
There is no need for me to show proofs, we always insist proofs for us to believe because we must seen it in our own physical eyes but like I said if you believe and think beyond your physical life there is no need for you to have proofs because you already seen it with your spiritual eye. Like I said you will not agree to my comment its not because you don’t believe it’s because you really don’t want to believe.There is no need for me to justify what I said its up to you.
You don’t need any kind of proof to believe in something? What kind of misguided lie is this? I’ve seen animals being lead around by a ring in their nose that have deeper thought processes than this. You don’t need proof and I don’t have to provide any in order to get you to believe in something? Wake up Mike or you are going to waste your entire life being used by whoever comes up with the next creative story. On second thought, maybe you need to stay right where you’re at because if this is in fact your veiwpoint you will not be able to survive in the world that God created. Good luck but I hope you don’t really believe what you wrote above. I’ll keep asking for the proof and the truth that is always revealed both spiritually and physically. I think you’ve chosen a cowards approach to life.
What you guys really mentioning here in this kind of site is not the things they thought us so meaning all the evidences presented here is not and will not always be true. Your just doing it for a reason and that reason is not good.
Brother Mike was bombarded with lots of indoctrination and love bombing. My personal advise my dear friend, read the bible starting from the first page and sequencely up to the last page getting what is the theme behind each book you finished reading. Reading the Bible requires keen understanding and logic standing to reason. You’ll come to know creation, who’s behind creation, who is he and what he wants for his creation to follow to qualify for his plan – and what is that plan? PARADISE and HELL. All of us will experience death that we will be raised up again resurrected not reincarnated on the Day of Judgement. We are and will all go back to HIM to face judgement, we like it or not. In the second life, death will be no more, we all live but where we gon’na be depends entirely from our doings and have had undertaken here on earth while we are in our first life. By cherry picking the Bible, one will not be able to grasp the history of GOD and humankind. Make your choice brother, if your mind and heart finds WMSCOG is your final conviction as you believe them, nobody can pull you out from their hold if you yourself holds to them.
Mike is probably Asian and foreign born. I can tell by his use of language.
My fiancee and I attended it for about two week, one sister slipped up during a study with my fiancee and said its shameful for a girl to be in a relationship. I had doubts about the whole 3rd day worship, and didnt believe I would go to hell if I missed a Sabbath service but still prayed at home.My fiancee and I both left and we still happily together. Thanks for sharing cause we would have had our love destroyed by these people as well if we had not found out early.
It’s true they try to say outside Worldy relationships are of Satan. Especially if you are not married and in a relationship/living together
Congratulations Feliz, you and your fiancee have certain higher IQ’s than others who willingly and ignorantly submitted themselves to lies and deceptions of this WMSCOG which is kinda very destructive organization. In behalf of the Admin of this site and the members of the forum, we wish you good luck. GOD BLESS YOU BOTH.
These are scare tactics that all cults use in order to have you be obedient. Jesus is all you need for salvation, a true relationship with Him, repentance, and obedience to His Word. Not an organization who manipulates their members. Thanks for your story!
Mike, are you in the Philippines? That would be my guess, I would be interested in knowing if I am right. Anyhow, I know you are upset with people for posting freely in a place where your “church” cannot remove the comments. If WMSCOG could, they would have removed this site long ago. Any organization of that mentality can be counted on to be a tyranny if given too much power. Think about it… if they had power to punish in any way they pleased, then do you really think they would stop at lawsuits and comment removal? Think about it…. You should feel lucky that we are here defending freedom to post against this organization at a very minimum, even if you do not agree with us. If COG ran the world, there would be no freedom. Even publicly disagreeing would be forbidden. I am not worried about you. Once you get older and less important to these people, then you will be treated differently and you will see what I am talking about. Just as long as you “keep your head in all situations”, you will leave on your own.
WMSCOG is excellent in deliberate misinterpretation and deliberate distortion of facts and events. Deceptive organizations as WMSCOG are happy in making lies after lies and upon lies.
Jn. 5:31-“if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony would not be valid.” …… Of course Father didn’t say He wash Christ. But though having eyes you do not see. Wake up we are in a spiritual war and you’re in danger of blasphemy. Woe to you who find yourselves wisewise and cannot guide you or yourselves to understanding. You don’t even realize you’re fulfilling the prophecy of those who go against God. Acts 5:38-39. You’re going to regret it. Don’t ignore this message.
You have a big problem. Big indeed that you people of WMSCOG are the one making blasphemy then you point to somebody else. You’re too ignorant of the Bible. You know how to say “have eyes but you do not see”, and may I add “have ears but you don’t hear”. My advise is that you read the Scriptures intelligently from the first page to the last page in sequence. By that you’ll come to know who is liar. I pity you so much because you are ignorant and just depending on WMSCOG your knowledge of the Bible. Not a single thing in the Bible WMSCOG is following. If you prefer to stay with this group, mark my world, you’ll find yourself in hellfire in the life hereafter. Not anyone among you in WMSCOG is entitled to salvation. You’re worshiping people like you who you appointed as gods and they cannot even create a fly man. Oh man, what a filthy thing you’re doing.
Be careful, your missing the fact that many Jews did not recognize Christ when he came despite all the evidence… so?
But the scriptures DON’T actually speak of Christ coming again, as WMS claims. Thats like sayimg, “Many didnt recognize that Martin Luther King came to bring justice his first time.” Does that men he is coming, to be born and fight for Civil rights again?
John 5:31 is about John the Baptist witnessing about Jesus! What kind of twisted garbage are you trying to pull here! You want to try and take Johns unwillingness to proclaim himself as anything and try and use that as proof for why Ahn never said he was God? I can smell the stench from over here! Jesus made some very profound claims to His divinity and He did so because He is God. Ahn never made his own claim because he believed in Jesus and did not believe that he was Jesus. truth grabber, you are letting the blind lead you while you yourself are blind. Take some time away from this group. Focus on Gods Word and what IT says not what anyone else would try and tell you it says. It’s no great mystery as to why when people step away from this group and clear their heads they never return back to the vomit of the WMSCOG.
Truth Grabber doesn’t even know that Jesus fulfilled Melchezedek’s condition “without genealogy”, even though it is clearly written that Jesus DID fulfill this condition. That means the whole belief system is incorrect, right Truth Grabber? Since one part is falsehood, then the whole thing becomes false. After 7 years in that place, I know for a fact they teach such a thing. But you keep giving them your time and money anyway. Korea is befitting greatly from your intentionally misguided heart. I feel bad for people like us, because eventually you will realize, just as I did… it was almost all for naught. Keep your head in all situations, and you will see it all by yourself.
You don’t know about the prophecies so just shut up all that slandering the WMSCOG. I’m very feel sorry about you guys, I wish that you can repent.Now I can see were will you end up if you will continue your evil plans.
Oh, another scripture twister trying to make all of us poor naves feel somehow inferior. Welcome to this website! You have a lot to learn.
You poor guy, don’t die while in WMSCOG for you will land in hell if you do. You’re doing the greatest sin against the commandment of GOD. You even replace him with korean gods ha. You are totally misled because you are too ignorant. Sorry if this hurts you but wake up my good friend before WMSCOG totally ruin your life. Your korean gods don’t even know english. How could they be gods. Wake up man, wake up. Who needs to repent? Not us, it’s you and your group.
I don’t know why everyone is being so condescending toward each other. I don’t believe God wants us to act like this. I don’t believe in wmscog teachings at all. i actually lost my long time girlfriend to this place. But the word of God can not be force on someone who is not willing to accept it. the wmscog doctrine is so strong that they continue to go back to it whenever you question them. the best thing that you can do is just keep feeding them the bible to show them what’s wrong with what they are saying and pray that they eventually see the truth. Don’t say they are going to burn in hell fire because you are not God. you never know what the future holds for any man or woman. Jesus gives everyone a chance to accept him for salvation. the big thing that keeps people in wmscog is that they say that they are persecuted for what they believe in so they think that it makes what they say true. If you use the word of God then that’s enough evidence and then they can not say your talking down to them or persecuting them. God bless everyone. I love everyone in wmscog and i will pray for you all to come back to jesus christ.
So in revaluations the bible speaks that no one can interpret the bible correctly only the root of david meaning 2nd coming Christ. So if you trying to understand the bible you need to know the spiritual root of David thats in the last days. He is the only one with the correct interpretation. The bible is sealed. That root of David came and interpreted the bible correctly explaining we have a spiritual Mother. Why would God the Father want to be called Father wothout a mother being involved. But it was an appointed time for her to be reveled, just like everything in the bible . So when Chris came the second time and said No spiritual mother it wasnt time for her to be revealed , he never said a church is mother. Think what church keeps God commanments? Such as Sabbath day , Passover, all the feast of God ? Those qho dont practice man made traditions such as Christmas, easter, Halloween. Paganism! Who sets up a cross in there churches witch is an idol ! Who worships God on sunday. Who sanctified sunday service, no one did . God sanctified saturday,’Sabbath’ 7 day of the week . Who revealed all this in one church . Saten distorts the scriptures! As prophesied! God to bring it all back in the last days witch is happening as we speak!
Tom, you have made assumptions here! The Bible speaks that the root of David will be able to teach us the meaning of Gods Word. The one who did this was Jesus! Not the second or third coming of Jesus. Even the WMSCOG teaches that Jesus is God. God came down to Earth to reestablish a relationship with mankind. In order for Him to do this He felt that we needed to understand what He meant by His words. At the time it was taught that we should not commit murder but Jesus taught us what He really meant when He said that if you hate someone in your heart then you have committed murder against them. This is only one example of how Jesus, the root of David, interpreted the Bible in a way that we did not understand. Ahn has no lineage to David or even to the Jewish people for that matter. God made the rules by which we would recognize Him and for anyone or any group to twist and bend those rules to try to fit what they want to believe is just plain wrong! I have only addressed your first assumption but I know for a fact that this is not even yours. You have been taught this and convinced of it by others just like you. God did not reveal this to you in any way shape or form! The Bible is NOT sealed off from us. God reveals things in His own timing. Anyone can read a set of scriptures and understand it as it is written and then at a future time reread the same scriptures and God will show us something different about it. For a great example of this got to the forum and find “What really happened at the last Passover.” It is awesome! Your alternative is to remain trapped in the false teachings and doctrines of the WMSCOG. There is so much more I could dispute about your post but if you take the time to read some of the other forum post you will find that everything you have mentioned has been discussed many times and pretty thouroughly. The truth stands on its own and endures through any scrutiny. The teachings of the WMSCOG has too many flaws to be the truth much less Gods Word. Time for you to do some real research on your own.
I am really sorry you had to go through that. I too left in 2012 and it has been hard for me to trust again, especially when it comes to spiritual matters and deity. My former group leader in the church once said to me when I was a new member “do you know how we can see a member’s faith? Through tithe”. None of it made any sense to until I left the church. They use emotive language to manipulate a person into the church and even to stay in. I too found lots of information on the internet against the church in my early days of being a member, and instead of leaving the church and breaking all form of contact with its members, I unfortunately went back to the Pastor for answers only to be fed with more lies. I am really grateful to have eventually left the cult, even though some scars left by it may never fully heal. Thank you for sharing your story and I can only hope that through it, more people will realize how much of a mind-control cult the wmscog really is.
They are a cult plain and simply they twist bible verses to fit their own doctrines and believe a Korean Buddhist turn seventh day Adventist and then started a church in 1964 and died in 1985 or 1986 was the reincarnation of Jesus this is why they call him christ ahnsahnkong and his wife is a female goddess but the bible says the new Jerusalem is the kingdom that God will establish when he returns not a person and the bible clearly refutes reincarnation and the New Testament does not hold Christians to be under the cerominial law of keeping the 7 holy days of the Old Testament nor the levitcal dietary law we are under grace not slaves of the law and also to believe such nonsense as ahnsahnkong as the reincarnation of Jesus christ is to say that jesus who died for are sins failed this is the same doctrine the moonies present when they say son young moon and his wife are the holy family and did what Jesus was suppose to do get married and have kids or some crazy belief like that I suggest anyone stay the heck away from thier and ridgewood Christians hold education classes to better teach thier members the dangers of the world mission society of God and thier dangerous doctrines
Yes she is not just a mere Women she is God ! Father was right to ask that !
Perhaps WMSCOG had shown you some videos or photos where zahng gil jah fetching water and giving to a number of people to drink and she already became god. My friend, did you ever read the story of the life of Mother Theresa? She’s more kind in attending problems of people. She personally attending the needs of the sick, comfort them, give them medicines and treatment. In this world she was hailed and praise not as god but a dear mother. Really, you’re lost. You’re mother god deceives many and she is now sick or dying or already dead. How she became god is an invention or idea created by opportunists like her and her group, the WMSCOG.
Friend!!
A man from the east was fulfilled by Cyrus. Does it mean that there should be no more fulfilment? Revelation and Isiah say that a man from the east should appear in the last days to release spiritual Israelites from the spiritual Babylon.
Likewise, Christ Ahnsahnghong said that Rev 22:17 Spirit and the Bride will appear before the Sabbath rest(Spiring of Water of Life Ch.24, 35)
and also in The Law of Moses and the Law of Christ Ch.6.
I hope you do not slander what you do not know exactly
Yes Leigh, what you are saying would be 100% correct.
@Leigh — Where in the Bible you find the name Ahnsahnghong????? and Zang-Gil-Ja. You invent so many many many things and you become a worshiper of your own invention. If your conviction is to remain with WMSCOG, so be it. That’s your choice. I’m only giving you a piece of enlightenment that you are worshiping people or persons like you and that is the greatest sin GOD will never never forgive.
Friend!
That kind of not-logical shouting would not help anything. What you say is totally out of the context and point.
The point is “did Christ Ahnsahnghong say Rev22:17 take place only after the Sabbath Rest or before and after the Sabbath Rest”
I wish no body let Satan tempt you to think like this;
“… Christ Ahnsahnghong said that Rev22:17 take place after the Sabbath Rest…. but the church said that it’s happening already….? who’s right? the church fetched Father’s words???”
The poster seems that he/she wants to say that Rev22 should take place after 1000-years rest (The Sabbath Rest), not before it, quoting Christ Ahnsahnghong’s interpretation.
Of course the poster looks like to slander that what WMSCOG teach about the bride of Rev 22:17 as God the Mother in the flesh does not seem to be supported by Christ Ahnsahnghong.
Then what about this:
Christ Ahnsahnghong said that Rev 22:17 Spirit and the Bride will appear before the Sabbath rest(Spiring of Water of Life Ch.24, 35) and also in The Law of Moses and the Law of Christ Ch.6.
Think about the prophecy of ‘the one from the east’!!
The prophecies of the bible do not fulfill only once
@Leigh the fact that Cyrus fulfilled the coming from the east prophecy should make you think.
Cyrus was King of Persia – Which is now called Iran. This is literally Far east from both Jerusalem and Patmos Islands.
What makes wmscog sure that Far east has now become S.Korea? The Answer is nothing. They just assume that the prophecy of King Cyrus needs to be fulfilled again and that far east must now be some other place different from Persia/Iran.
There is no verse in the bible that says a man must come from the east again to save spiritual Israel. In fact there is no such word as Spiritual Israel in the bible. Paul proves that there in no such thing as spiritual Israel when he makes a distinction between the natural roots (Israel) and grafted roots in Romans. The natural roots will always be there and can at any time replace the grafted roots (Gentiles like you and I) according to Paul.
And no the point isn’t that Ahn said that Rev 22:17 would take place after Sabbath rest or not. Nice try. But As the title of the article reads; the point is whether Ahn thought new Jerusalem was a woman or city.
He clearly thought New Jerusalem was a City, not a woman, that would appear after the end of the world. At least according to his actual recorded sermon. What? Did you think wmscog were the only ones with recordings of Ahn? You need to deal with this information head-on and not divert and try to change the topic.
This Audio recoding is consistent with a lot of Ahnsanghong’s teachings. For example, he taught that the idea of god the mother is delusional (unchanging truth of his church), he wrote that the last eve is actually the church/ God’s people ( Visitors from the Angelic World) – clearly not Janh jil jah.
Before you try to discern what time – you need to first establish what the Bride/ New Jerusalem is according to Ahnsanghong.
@remco915 hmm. I would like to correct your comment. You are really out of context here. You do believe in Jesus right? Jesus Christ comes on this earth in the Flesh, am I right? Then now why are you saying that we are believing in God in the Flesh? Are you not believing in God in the Flesh? Please do not slander us for you don’t know what is the Prophecies of the Bible was fulfilled by God the Mother Zahng Gil Jah. Actually, She Fulfilled everything, secretly. You know why? Only TRUE GOD’S PEOPLE will know her, because She is a mystery that made known only to the TRUE GOD’S PEOPLE. (c.f. Col 1:26, Mt 13:11, Gal 4:26[ISV]). I really pray to God Ahnsahnghong that you will be save in this dark and sinful world.
Hahaha the way you wrote she fulfilled everything secretly as if Jesus never warned us against false christs who come secretly.
And the bible already told us the Great Mystery since the foundation of the Earth is Jesus Christ – so no thank you – we don’t need you new secret Mystery you are trying to sell us.
Pretty much everything that came out of ahnshahnghongs mouth is wrong.
It really doesn’t matter what church I go to however I can tell you that it is a non-denominational church. I decided many years ago that I did not want to be a part of the whole man made divisions that the different denominations represent. I don’t believe that God came to Earth, died on the cross, and came back to life in order to form a denomination. What is Jesus new name? You need to read this section of the Bible in its entirety. It’s very clear that the stone with the new name on it is given to those who overcome. Not knowing the entirety of Gods mind as some others assume to I have come to the understanding that Jesus gives the stones and prior to God coming to Earth and doing what He did for us there was no Christ. Because at that time there was no Christ that means that there were no followers of Christ prior to Jesus. It seems like the new name that no one knew until that moment was Christian ie followers of Christ. I have received the water of life when I received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and the Holy Spirit entered me. Where is my Root of David? You really need to read the Bible! I have included all of Rev. 5 below so you can read it for yourself. I’m not here to tell you what you should believe. Your group does that too you already! By the way, I don’t like how you try and turn things around. “Now since you did give me all the correct interpretation of the Bible!” These are YOUR words and once again you have made a very invalid assumption. Here’s another invalid assumption quoted directly from you, ”
You guys know the Bible like the back of your hands going against Christ and donât even know it!” While your group continues to discredit itself and prove that they are one of the false self proclaimed church’s you are being lead down the path to Hell. What’s worse is that they are teaching you to bring others the same way.
Revelation 5 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Lamb Takes the Scroll
5 And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. 2 Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, âWho is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?â 3 And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read[a] the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, âDo not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose[b] its seven seals.â
6 And I looked, and behold,[c] in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
âYou are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us[d] kings[e] and priests to our God;
And we[f] shall reign on the earth.â
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
âWorthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!â
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
âBlessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!â[g]
14 Then the four living creatures said, âAmen!â And the twenty-four[h] elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.[i
I’m going to finish this by asking, “Did you really quote the part of the Bible where Saul was converted?” This is one of the great miracles of Jesus! Saul encounters Jesus, is blinded, comes to a realization of Christ, regains his sight, is filled with the Holy Spirit, and becomes one of the most influential supporters of Jesus as the Christ. Ahn didn’t do anything except preach that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. The Bible clearly sets the conditions for the second coming of Jesus Christ and I’m very happy to say that Ahn doesn’t fit the bill! Ahn’s not God and he never claimed to be. Ahn not being God means that even if he did say there’s a god the mother it doesn’t matter. God NEVER reveled it, Jesus NEVER taught it, and Gods Word doesn’t support it. I’m sorry but you’re worshipping false gods that need to be crushed before the one true God. The WMSCOG’s man made gods have NO power or authority on Earth or in Heaven.
By the way, you missed with this statement as well. “Jesus lived a normal human life before that appointed time!” The Word of God teaches us that He lived a perfect life. That’s hardly what anyone should call NORMAL. I look forward to your reply!
Is Zahng gil jah still alive?
We have been trying to find that out for months now. There is an article supposedly from a Korean newspaper that said she died back in June or July. No one has been able to really find out if she is still alive or in fact dead. It’s going to be mildly interesting to see the excuse that the WMSCOG comes up with when she does officially pass away.
i know a person in this group who says that none of these teachings are true…..and now they have an answer for all of the things on your site…if you can get in touch with new members a lot has changed so i advise you to update the site because the info has become more convoluted in the past three years
That’s pretty incredible seeing as how some of this stuff comes from their own website. I think your friend may have mislead you.
Oh my jace. I was really shock upon reading this article and I was like whom shall I believe into now?WMSCOG or this one. And right now I am really really confused of what is real or not. Because somehow I’ve experience of what is this article talking about and it got me glued whether I should believe or not. And oh it whacked my brain. hahaha
They are a cult!!! they were sent as a test to open your eyes so that you never again fall for the devil’s trap. everyone who has been tricked into joining this satanic cult was approached when they were looking for God, for his answers, signs, and guidanceâso it is no coincidence that the devil runs to them to lure them away from our one and true God and his son Jesus Christ. i hope that you’re no longer trapped in this cult. Get out of there!!! talk to God!!! Repent and he will receive you.
I’ve been reading all the information and I shared this to one of my best friend who just like me were part of this religion and she said that. OH MY GOSH THAT IS INTERNET!!! ANYONE CAN POST FALSE INFO IN THERE AND IT IS THE WAY OF SATAN. And I said. Why am i not convince? And she said you’re being brainwashed. Whoa!!!! Im really confused. I just ask God if what to do because I can’t think clearly of what to ignore and not. I’ve gone so far on their bible studies. we studied about Abraham family the copy and shadow about heavenly mother and boy I really believed in that one and upon reading this I don’t really know what to believe now. there are contradictions in my brain that is happening right now.
Hello Asheer, I don’t normally post like this in the comment section and I invite you to come check out the forum. Over the years members of this website, both members of the WMSCOG and non-members, have discussed almost all of the teachings that the WMSCOG likes to use to control their members. Yes, I did say control.
I want to address the studies that you mentioned here. Again you will find a lot more information about these in the forum. The Abraham and Sarah story and the idea of copy and shadow are foundational to the doctrine of the WMSCOG. Is the foundation solid? You decide! Abraham represents god the father and Sarah represents god the mother hypothetically according to the WMSCOG teachings. Sarah represents the free woman and we are all supposed to be of the free woman. Hagar is their servant and is a slave. Anyone who doesn’t believe in elohim god is of the slave woman according to the WMSCOG. Keep in mind that god the mother is the bride of Lamb and the Lamb is Jesus Christ. Lets see how this works. God the mother (Sarah) tells god the father (Abraham) to have sex with her servant (Hagar). Would God ever do this? I don’t think so but you decide. Then god the father does cheat on his wife with the servant and gets her pregnant. Shortly after that god the mother gets pregnant with the child of promise, gods son who represents Jesus Christ. Does this story sound like anything that God would be a party to? Now we are to a very difficult part and that is the fact that the bride (god the mother) is to marry Jesus. Incest? Really? I’ve heard it argued that God can do whatever He wants and that we are not to question it. We don’t know Gods mind. Do as I say not as I do mentality. This idea is NOT biblical or rational. We are not supposed to be fools and this kind of idea tells us that we need to be. NOT GODS PLAN! This is a part of the copy and shadow that the WMSCOG wants you to follow. They want you to believe that God can lie and do whatever and you are not to question it. What does the Bible say about it? Revelation 21:8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” The gods of the WMSCOG will not be in Heaven! There destination is somewhere else completely. Do you still want to follow them? We’re here to help and we are not trying to get you money or make you gather fruit. We are simply here to help. Many of our members were in the exact same place that you are right now. Not many people can understand what it’s like for you but believe me when I tell you that we can. Please let us help. Come read the forum and ask your questions. Unlike the WMSCOG websites, anyone can post here.
okay another information overload.
Its Okay to slander us WMSCOG members and the gospel that we are preaching but I telling you that in the end you are the one who is going to lose…. đ
For there is only one name given among men whereby we must be saved. THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. That is what the Bible says. Not mother God. NOT A FLESHLY MAN AND HIS WIFE. PLEASE SEEK JESUS!!! You are in a cult.
This information is very helpful. Now I can see things clearly and understand it very well. The first time I heard “God the mother” made some confusions in my mind, I was too curious about it. When they asked me if I can come to their church, my curiousity made me said yes. I really had a badtime wondering and thinking about it. So to feed my curiousity, I needed to come there.
The one who invited me took me there. When were inside, I felt like more curious. People inside there are weird, in my mind. The first thing I noticed was their logical in scanning the bible. Next thing is that they keep on saying “bless you” whenever they met someone (and honestly it made me feel cold to realize where is ‘God’ in it..) And all of them have the same pattern in scanning the bible. They tried to explain to me even harder to make me say yes to the passover. You know what happened next? They pass me to another ‘sister’ and to another and another.. They’re just repeatedly explaning to me why should I have the passover… when one cannot take me, she would leave and another will come.. I understand them. Their point of views, their explanation.. But they failed to take me in their passover ..
They asked me if Ihave questions, I asked them “what is your purpose of this?” no clear answer from them, they said we will find after we study the bible. Then I asked “where are your breads and wine came from?” then they aswered me that they made it. But I was expecting them to answer me of how teyare sure that it was the real flesh and blood of god, I cannot take their answer like by blessing it on their an dI will finally have eternal life after it. Then I said that it was all my questions. Then they asked me what was holding me back from receiving th passover, the they asked like ‘ why don’t you want to have eternal life?’ ‘Dont uou believe in God?’ ‘Dont you believe in bible?’. Their questions are risky to answer, I know my situation. I told them that I will think first the passover thing. They are good people, nice, smiles a lot and kind. But I guess I just cant be what they believe, because I already know whom to bbelieve. I realized it more when I encountered them. And now to speak, everything would depend on you.
I came from this Church to have a Bible study when a Friend, a member from WMSCOG,invited me join their Passover and to have a bible study after. they are nice people, they shook hands to me. During the bible study,a brother taught me about mother of God, started from Revelations 22:17,21:2, 21:9, then John 1:29 then, to Genesis 1:26, then Galatians 4:26. Then after that, they taught also about me the Passover.
Then after 2 hours of study,a brother asked me, ” Do you want to be Baptized?”
sounds great… right? But then I answered them that I am already Baptized on my own church. But then a Friend of mine who was sitting next to me, asked me while she was scanning and searching for the context of “What authority… blah blah blah…”. I was thinking that time whether they are really serious of that question, ” Do you want to be Baptized?” eventhough it’s my first time to be on their church. He really wanted my answer and he keeps on repeating that question. I am pressured to give my answer and I speak to them my answer, and I my answer is ” I WANT TO KNOW AHN-SANG-HONG”. They were surprised that I knew Anh-Sang Hong. Everytime he asked his question ” Do you want to be Baptized?” I answered him ” I want to know Anh-Sang Hong”. That question was repeatedly asked for almost 5 times and my answer is the same for that question. It is as if they know what’s on my mind and I knew everything about that man and that they were hesitant to answer that.In fact I dont know that man and so I answered them that I want to know Anh Sang Hong. I knew that Anh was claimed by WMSCOG as God so I want to know why he was God. What’s on him that He was claimed as God. I love my friend and I am worried now that she is getting married n to their pastor.
its God the mother, not mother of God, that we studied, i know their different. i made a mistake. sorry.
Hello.
I appreciate all your research and investigation to bring to us the truth behind this organization. I was so lost for a while and I am ashamed that I have questioned my own beliefs after going to this congregation. While I was active in this place and participated in all activities, I cant help but to feel this void and heaviness in my hear every time I attend or participate in their services. I grew up as a Catholic in a very religious family. I’m just very curious as to what led you to start your research and this blog? Have you had your own share of experience with this congregation? I would really appreciate your reply in my inbox. Thank you once again.
Had a door knocking experience with them in Australia. They seem to think that the passover cleanses all sin, and that you commit sin after the passover again and have it cleansed at next year’s passover.
The bible is explicitly clear that you have to be worthy of passover in the first instance.
This is a heretic cult that professes that you can continue living in conscious sin and attain eternal life
I was a member of that church. They are like Vipers in that place. They come and steal your souls and make you a slave to that place.It is a mind control institution and they use the bible just for that. I went there and some of the stuff that goes on in that place would make you realize that something isn’t right. Its greed, hypocrite, gossip, bitterness, envy, hatred, selfish ambitious, lies, and mind control strategies. They use scripture to control your whole life. The missionary communicate with each other about you so when you show up they accept you according to what the other missionary have told them about you when you go and visit other churches. They go after young people in colleges because they don’t know much about the bible and its easy to groom them. They have meetings about the members and monitor how they spend their time during the week. If you don’t have a job they tell you to get one because your tithes is important. They don’t preach to homeless people because they would be dependent on the church. They are very secretive they would ask you questions about your whole life and you would know nothing about theirs. They do research on their members and they judge you. They say they don’t talk about money but they are always collecting money for donations. They treat you like an outsiders if you cant be fully controlled.
And this basically sums up what you can expect as a member of this group. I hope you are not interested in joining based on this information. If you are already a member you should instantly become disinterested. Thank you for posting this Randy.
Hey its like this my child invite me to a passover and I was happy about it but then she told me I had to b baptized n her church I told her I’ve been baptized she told me I was baptized n the father the son the holy ghost I said what wrong with that .she said I was baptized wrong she told me that God the mother God the father if I do believe n that I was worship false laws u no the rest .God is good cause he showd me this site I love my Jesus lord
Guys, I’m currently attending the WMSCOG’s and It’s really hard for me, because I tried to go with their views and They pray for this so call god call AhnSahnGhong, and they even pray something in Korean. I used to be with my own belief. My parents are Christians, but they don’t worship this god. The bible, doesn’t say this name, and they have told me that this is the true religion. Others are false, and if you don’t follow GODS commanded, you won’t be safe.
I enter this church, and got baptized and it was because a friend of my class, and If I quit… It’s going to get really weird, since I’m going to be seeing her. I want to believe, but there’s something in me, that says to not believe and praise this guy call Ahnsanghong đ Can someome please help me….
Is WMSCOGS really the only way to salvation as they say? or It’s having faith and believing in God the way.
Hi V.L.
This group is way off. They are not to be trusted with your spiritual well being! Get together with your parents and ask the pastor or minister of their church if there is supposed to be a new person to pray to or believe in. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is the only name in this age and the last. No other name is mentioned, ever! Ahnsanghong even taught this when he was alive. Ahn doesn’t agree with the teachings of the WMSCOG, history doesn’t back up the teachings of the WMSCOG, and most incriminating is that God’s own word doesn’t agree with the teachings of the WMSCOG. Get out of there right now!
Do you study the scripture well? I understand that you do not believe to him because you are not understand and study the bible.
Dew, I don’t think you could be anymore cult like. Take some time away from this group and its influence and then research what they are teaching. You ARE going to find fault in their teachings! Hopefully you will be able to find your way out.
if there we're 2 God's, I believe Jesus Christ would of revealed it, in his prayer before being taken away to be cruzfied. Jesus prayed (Holy Father)3 Times without the mention of any other deities. also it's a condemnation too add or take from the word of God.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.
Matthew 24:24
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
God is a spirit, that's why we worship in spirit and in truth, if God wanted us to worship images we would of gotten Jesus Christ the man's portrait.
Discern what your being told before you get deeply rooted in a man's doctrine.
There's only way to heaven, Jesus clearly states this in the bible.
Sir, I want to ask you a question. In the second coming of Jesus can you recognize him?
Wow. Lucky I found this website. I was brought to this church I think and about the Mother God right? Ya many koreans also. Have a study a guy invited me over telling me the sabbath and Passover… Saw the video but never mentioned Jesus just like many people from different countries.
Oh and he told me Christmas is wrong and it’s not Jesus birth… But it is right?
Yes, scientifically you can prove that Christmas is wrong. Analyze and study bible.
ATN Yes they a mind control organization that uses the bible as their way of convencing people about their only exclusive true. They change your personality in no time you won’t be FREE after they induct all their stories in your mind, by teachings, you will have no more time for family and friends, they will trap in their belivings,and those from a group, you wont be you anymore VERY SAD.
ATN Yes they are a mind control organization that uses the bible as their way of convencing people about their only exclusive true. They change your personality in no time you won’t be FREE after they induct all their stories in your mind, by teachings, you will have no more time for family and friends, they will trap in their belivings,and those from a group, you wont be you anymore VERY SAD.
My daughter has been involved with this cult for about a year now and I don’t know how to get her to see that they completely misinterpret the bible and the word of God. Please help!
What a cool thing to have happened! Our justice system backed up the little guy so to speak. Way to stick it out Michelle. I hope you follow this up with a multi-million dollar lawsuit against them.
Most cults leave a negative “paper trail” of law suits that they have filed against anyone who speaks out. It’s one of the ways you can tell if a group is a “church” or a cult.
Does God have to sue people? And how did “Mother” not know and inform her leadership that they would lose? I thought they have a direct phone line to God. Not so, apparently.
I left the group back in 2012 and even to this very day I wonder about where to go from here. What will happen to me if I die now because I no longer faith in anything and the Bible just reminds me of all those teachings….It’s frustrating as hell not knowing what is true since everything that I was ever raised to believe in was taken away from me by this mind control cult
Thank you for posting this, and for hanging in there through the long legal process. The “Failure to Prove Damages” part (starting on page 12) especially riveting for me.
I also think it’s interesting that on one hand the wmscog will talk about how they are growing, yet on the other hand here talk about how the critical websites are hurting their membership and offering count.
You certainly judge the church by what you’ve researched. It’s in the bible.. Revelation 22:19 ” And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.” No one can add or subtract.
Daniel 7:5
“He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time”
And can your research and trying to prove you’re right and proving the church is wrong give you salvation? You are just wasting your time.
And have you even tried to be a member? But maybe you’ve judge first.
Knowing God is not only by Commonsense.. but with Heart and Mind. You will just keep other people confused and slander them from the Truth. Take a look on the books you’ve been reading about Christianity, It’s not the bible that their occurring to but their own point of view.
Lies upon lies you say. People distort the Good from the Bad.. And Bad from the Good.
More people just don’t accept the truth. How will you know the truth if you never tried? :\ But when Jesus came the first time people persecuted him because of his beliefs in fact they disliked him for establishing a cult. And so far the same situation is happening again. People value the old rules from the new ones.
And probably you are going to argue with me with your own point of view.
But anyways GOD bless you. đ
when you know your so called god don’t bless those who is not korean baptised why do u say god bless you and try to be bigger person?
It’s never been said in the church that God doesn’t bless those who aren’t Korean baptised. You just made that up. The church allows people of all nationalities be baptised by deacons and pastors of all nationalities.
Very informative, I have a nephew involved with this group and it scares me.
You talk about research like it’s a bad thing! I have heard from someone in the WMS that Scientology is a cult. Did you know that Scientology leaders told members not to research or listen to or look at ANYTHING at all that was negative to Scietology? One guy on the documentary “Going Clear” said he followed their advice and didn’t look at anything or listen to anything negative about that group for 35 years! When he did, he saw that so called “church” for what it is. Every one of the former members who were in that documentary wished they had researched, listened, and looked. The WMS is no different in that aspect. You should research. You owe it to yourself. You owe it to your family too.
I think it’s sad how were being called “cult members” when all we’re doing is displaying the love of our Heavenly Father and mother trying save our lost brothers and sisters so we can joyfully go back to our heavenly home! You say all these things because you have no idea what our father and mother went through on this earth sacrificing so much just to save us, their children that sinned in heaven. They didn’t have to come to this earth to save us. They didn’t have to leave their throne in heaven to suffer on this earth just to save us. No one on this earth would fast for 7 days straight , suffer persecutions, walk thousands of miles to preach the truth. Our father always carried his bag of bibles everywhere he went to preach, didn’t eat much all along with mother and general pastor. He did masonry work, etc. our father and mother are only trying to save us and that is our goal which is to go back to the kingdom of heaven where there is no limit of speed or time! All of this is satans work to go against our Heavenly Father and mother! Please don’t fall in his trap and come to our heavenly mother to receive eternal life! We keep the new covenant, the teachings of the bible. Which is Passover, sabbatth, etc. only God can restore the truth đ so please come to be saved from the last disaster! I’ve never been happier in my life, i used to hate going to church before coming the church of God and now since i know the truth I can now say I know true God :,) all we do is follow the teachings of the bible and mother teachings. đ
This Passover thing never made sense to me. I got a great idea lets keep it every Sunday.
You’re being called cult members because your group has proven itself to be very cult like. This group practices separating people from their support systems and replacing it with themselves, a very real US vs. THEM type of mentallity, and an idea that they are exclusive and the only ones with the truth. If you have done any research on your own outside of this controlling group you would come to the realization that they in fact do not have the truth and in reality the WMSCOG’s truth keeps changing over time! Did you know that at one time the WMS taught that black people are cursed and are not likely to be saved? They no longer teach this because it is unpopular and the WMS found out that they can use and abuse these folks just as well as they can use and abuse anyone. This is not a group you should be proud to be associated with. My humble advice is to get out NOW and go search for real truth not something that someone else is spoon feeding you as the truth. Take the wool off of your eyes! God gave you a brain and He expects you to use it not let others manipulate it!
It’s funny you say that but meanwhile there are churches in Africa and there are many Black members worldwide. What you talk about are the Mormons who use Noahs son for that argument. You talk about truth yet you obviously are one who goes to sunday church, keeps communion, prays to the cross keeps pagan holidays like easter and xmas all things not in the Bible and you think you are enlightened? Satan has pulled the wool over you and the 3 billion sungod worshipping people around the world. Things that Jesus Christ kept like the Sabbath Day and Passover and even said if you want to receive eternal life keep the Commands. People like you talk about the Buble and Jesus and you don’t even believe what it says! Truth??? You can’t handle the TRUTH!
I DON’T EVER EVER WISHED TO BE DESTINED TO HELL. IN YOUR CASE IF YOU DON’T CHANGE YOUR STAND, I FEEL YOU’RE ALREADY DOOMED. YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS THE TRUE CONCEPT OF GOD, VERY FUNNY BUT SAD INDEED. NOBODY HAD SEEN GOD AT ANYTIME.
The bible testifies that if we don’t keep the Passover we have no life in us which is eternal life and that we should keep the Sabbath day (7th day, Saturday ), women should wear veils etc. the ONLY church that keeps all these teachings is the wmscog. We follow our mothers teachings as well which is it is more blessed to give love than to receive as God always gives love, a beautiful mind has no hate and brings forth the perfect love, etc. all these teachings are about love and we all practice these in the church and that is why we are all so happy in the church that and because we know true God. And this love is being spread ALL over the world. I don’t see what’s wrong with keeping the teachings of the bible and following mothers teachings. This church started in a tiny house church in Korea to over 2500 branched churches around the world only true God can do this ! (: the gospel is being preached to all around the world, were only trying to save our lost brothers and sisters so we can all go back to the kingdom of heaven which is coming real soon!
Daniel 7:5?? C’mon, buddy! Daniel is a convenient tool against anyone who doesn’t know their history very well, which is most people. There were more than 10 nations under Rome. Look into it! But will the WMSCOG tell you that? Nope!
And when your pastor, during the sermon, tries to prove Jehovah’s witnesses wrong, does that give him salvation? How about the 7 day Adventists? Or the Mormons? No problem if your “church” judges other organisations, but rain down fire on anyone who judges your organization?? There is a special place for hypocrites as well, not only your so called “law breakers”. Then I say to you, be careful with how you judge, because you will also be judged… on sites like this most likely.
Did you know that Jesus DID fulfill all conditions of the Melchizedek? Even “without genealogy”? I bet not. There are many things you would never question, in fact. You have fallen asleep. Keep your head in ALL situations… especially now, when you think you are safe!!
Actually it is Daniel7v25 He will change Gods set laws and times. The Sabbath Day and the Passover were laws of God with a set time. By changing the day of rest to Sunday and abolishing the Passover Constitine erased salvation from earth. Luke4v16 say it was Jesus’ custom to keep the Sabbath and in John15v10 He says He kept ALL of His Fathers commands. Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath and Hebrews chapter 4 is titled A Sabbaths Rest for the People of God and it goes into detail of the 7th day. The earthly Sabbath rest is a shadow of the Heavenly rest and that if you don’t enter God’s rest on earth you won’t enter it in Heaven.
If you look up the word salvation it means to be delivered from danger. The ultimate danger we all face is our souls burning in hell. In the Bible only ONE thing delivers us from danger and it’s in Exodus12v10-13 God Himself explains the Passover means disasters pass over you. In Jerimiah31v31 God says He would change the Passover to the new covenant which Jesus did in Marks upper room on the night of the Passover. Even 1Corintians5v7 say Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed AND let us keep THIS FESTIVAL, THE PASSOVER.
You bringing up Melchezidek shows that like so many of the Sunday Christians you know the words of the Bible but don’t understand their meaning. Jesus didn’t fulfill Melchezidek because he had JEWISH geaneology, scripture says Melchezidek had NONE! The only geaneology that means anything in the Bible is Jewish ancestory so everyone else is considered a Gentile, meaning the order if Melchezidek MUST be fulfilled by a GENTILE! This is one of the many things that helped me believe Christ Ahnsahnhong is the 2nd coming of Christ. He brought back salvation, the New Covenant Passover and fulfilled the order of Melchezidek.
Wmscog makes people marry to live in the church, so they could pay all the bills. Where do tithes and offerings go? The gospel workers pay for just about everything.
The ex members of this group need to come forth and testify to the harm done to them, their families, and their lives in general. As the family members of people in the wms, I am sure we could also testify as to the harm done to our families in detail. I am in contact with many people who have had their families torn apart by their loved one’s involvement in the WMS. Their stories are heart wrenching, and very similar. We outnumber them, people. Like I have said before, for every member there are exponential numbers of people who have clearly seen the damaging effects of this group on their loved ones.
Am so thankful to ELOHIM GOD (GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE MOTHER WHO HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD THROUGH WMSCOG, that my former church leaders in Anglican church failed to answer and those who tried gave me their own mind not from the bible.)Brothers and Sisters out there lets believe the prophesies of the bible and not miss the Kingdom of Heaven.The true children will follow the Spirit and the Bride, the saviors of this age. God bless u my brothers and sisters its my prayer Elohim God reopens your spiritual eyes that u may see the Light that has come to the earth.
I am glad you are posting here Bro. Welcome. However, I have it straight from one of your members that the brothers and sisters are NOT to read the Examiningthewmscog site. So why are you making comments directly to your “brothers and sisters” when most are not allowed to read this material? I know that some members, if they are hard core enough, are designated to post here, but the rest are told not to read anything that could be considered critical of the wmscog. Is it because you consider them to be weak of mind? This is an honest question. Could you tell my why they can’t read this site? I read your church’s information. I have even read a sermon Joo Cheol Kim gave, and some publications of Ahnsahnghong and J.C. Kim. Why can’t all of your members look at both sides of the information that is out there? Don’t you trust them?
Scientology leaders also told their members not to read anything critical of Scientology. Many didn’t for years. Then they found out they were being lied to and manipulated. They were devastated. You don’t want to be considered like this, do you?
God bless Mountainmom. am anew member of the wmscog so i got to this and saw what u people write about the wmscog and just felt sorry. i consider every one on earth my brothers and sisters so that is why i addressed you as brothers and sisters. brothers and sisters if the wmscog is not from God, you dont need to worry it will fail but if it is from God you just cant stop it growing and if you continue fighting it you will find your selves fighting against God. the will of God will always be done. I pray to Elohim God to allow me proclaim this good news of the kingdom of heaven from zion(wmscog). may God bless you brothers and sisters once again. we lv u.
Iam to in this church I had my doughts and I still go and idk how to get out my bf also believes them because they use history and bible I just need to prove them wrong idk how
I’ve been involved with them for 3 years. It’s so hard to leave. And even though I have several doubts and have recently recorded contradictions (which I plan to post on this site) the hardest part is that they make you feel like its the only truth and all else is false. It’s so hard. I feel guilty leaving, because I feel like God “clearly” teaches opposite of what “babylon” teaches.I feel like, how would it be possible to go to one of theirs. But, I think the best thing to do is seperate from them ling enough to think clearly. Being around them constantly fogs your mind. just leave the best you can, for a few weeks or a month, and then see.
You give good advice, Future ex: Mind control only works if it is applied consistently. Getting away to clear your head is the first and most important step. Then looking at the Bible for yourself without their direction. Let God speak to you. My poor loved one in there can’t hear God anymore. All he can hear is the church leaders in his ear. The distance from them makes room for God’s voice. You are supposed to have a personal relaltionship with Jesus, not a group relationship. Let Him speak to you personally. Give Him a chance to do that. Good luck.
As I said before, please post on the forum. Here is good, but you will reach more and get more people to respond with good advice if you move your discussion there. If you don’t want to, then just keep posting here. Wherever you feel comfortable is good.
Just afraid if I come out that it will ruin us ive been going now for two years n dont know wat to do
Once again, welcome Bro John B. Thank you for giving this information. However, you didn’t answer any questions that I asked. I know that questioning is highly discouraged in the wms. Is that why you don’t know the answers? I hope you will try to do some research. God gave us a mind for a reason.
I am also sorry that what the wms preaches is not true. It would be easier for all of us if it was. It just isn’t. If it was I would definitely join and get all that I care about to do it as well. But I am not because it is simply based on lies, not the Bible. This is unfortunate for all of us, but especially the members. I hope you find the way home to God eventually. God Bless You as well.
Leslie, read all you can on this site. There is so much good information that can help you to prove them wrong. It isn’t really hard to do. It just takes some reading and an open mind that is not under undue influence.
From talking to former members, I can assure you that you will not be ruined if you come out of the wms. Former members I have talked to have said that once they were out and they examined what they were told, they could not believe they were taken in by this group. Good luck.
Leslie,
The best way to get the help you need is to ask your questions at this forum, instead of the one you are using now….
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=14536#post-45992
The wms is so smart n everything makes sense its just it might ruined my bf relashionship I think he has some doughts but his brother is a gospel worker keeps making him feel guilty idk ill do my own study
I want to share something with you. It may help. When people are thinking about leaving this group it is usually fear that keeps them from leaving. Fear is only a emotion! What fear really stands for is False Evidence Appearing Real! F.E.A.R.
Don’t live in fear and feel free to share this idea with your BF. You never know what it will be that releases the grip over a person. It could be something as simple as this.
What is truth
The site u gave me wont let me comment
I see people selling their homes and property nowadays to give everything to the pastor for house churches because Zhang said the end day is September this year. To me, something’s not right. Why doesn’t she use the tithes? She said do not withhold your possessions or you won’t go to heaven. The members are selling everything. ??? Weird. She’s already making so much profit off the tithes because she only pays the big church buildings mortgage with the tithes. Every other bill is paid by the members. Leaders of the COG prove where the tithes go and that this is not a for profit organization.
We had a member go to see Mother in April. In May, and I have proof, He attempted to use fraud to steal almost $3000 from my business.
He is the Church leader. How can a church leader, go and be with the living God. Come back moved. And then Steal $3000 to do the gospel work? That really hurt my faith.
Wow! Please do whatever you can to document this. It should be turned in to someone in authority because it is actually something that CAN be proved with documentation. Good luck.
Lisa are you to in this wacho church
Can someone tell me how to pray I wanr my bf out of this church and I dont think hel realize it especially if his brother is a gospel worker my bf is not into deep in this church but he believes everything I just wish it was all over it suks I just want to get him out before he gets to involved I hate this church im sorry ive never had so much hate for a church
Why September, Lisa? What is the explanation on that date? There have been so many different dates that were the end. At the same time they were telling people in Chicago the end was 2012, they were telling young recruits in Seattle that the end would be in 2018.
I also call for transparency on the finances of the wmscog. It is their most closely guarded secret. They talk about biblical secrets that only they know, but really, it is financial secrets that only they know.
September 23rd (day of Atonement) the the date Mother gave at the general assembly this year, the say this is the date Father comes to takes us to heaven. This is because the church was established on the day of Atonement 50 dears before. Therefore it is the year of Jubilee. Leslie is that what they are also teaching at your bf’s church? Everyone is selling their homes cars etc to give to the pastor to make make house churches. They say its a great movement.
My niece has been part of this “church” for almost 3 years now. It’s getting worse and she rarely spends time with our family now including her mom and dad. She is on the verge of dropping out of school and spends very waking minute at the church. No one wants to push her away but we don’t know what to do anymore. Let me know if you have any suggestions on how to get her out. Please help!
What’s gonna happen when they wake up stretching and yawning on September. 24th?
Lisa we both go to wmscog but im afraid to say I dont wanna go to this church anymore never did believe in them he doesnt really go but im afraid heel get to involved w this wacho people I wanna leav but I just dont know how to come out eventually im gna stop going
It’s a one day at a time kind of thing Leslie. You are just going to have to plan on doing something else one of these Saturdays and you and your boyfriend just go and do it! Don’t ask for permission or tell them that you’ll be gone just go and do it. I don’t suggest this out of rebellion but as an act of freedom. Jesus came to set the captives free not enslave us. You are not going to fall out of the truth or go to hell for stepping away from this group. You already know that there is something very wrong with them. You and your boyfriend just simpily need to step away, take some time to let your head clear, and then research and decide what’s best at that point. God gave you a brain that He expects you to use but not only that He gave you free will. Don’t be enslaved by this group anymore. Once you step away don’t let them hassle you into coming back. Cut off contact for a while. I would suggest atleast three months. At that time do your research and if they are still willing to talk to you see if their doctrine is worthy of Gods Word. See for yourself if their teachings are full of flaws. Help us free some of the other people if you should choose to. If not then just find some better ways to fill your time.
They will say what they did when the end of the world didn’t happen in 2012: “Mother had mercy because of our prayers”, or “No when we said the end of the world was going to be in 2012 we actually meant something else.” Or, my favorite, “Some people were incorrectly preaching that the world was going to end in 2012.” So funny that they ALL seemed to be incorrectly preaching about that. Apparently no one in that church knows exactly what they mean when they say something.
And then they will all accept a lame excuse AGAIN.
Satan is using this website as s tool. God will surely crush it
Mary, what makes you think so?
Elohim God knows A-Z.. This is a website for Satan as using for tools to destroying the truth..
Bible already prophesied that people like this will come and speaks against the truth.. and here is the fulfillment.
You all see them (Church of God) members physically, How are they act like, how are they doing…. but
You need to follow what the Bible says, and stop looking around physical materials and people.
If you think this is not the truth, then, what is the truth?? Is any churches today that following the Bible and teaching them the truth??
Please study carefully and understand the truth.
God Bless you
Westly, you have provided no facts or truth with your statement. You have done exactly as others before you have done. Blast us with your opinion and provide no basis what so ever for your statement. If you truly followed the Bible and read Gods Word you would realize for yourself that all of your statements here apply directly to your own group. Follow the TRUTH not what you have been spoon fed by someone else. If you do this then you shall free yourself from this trap even if you do not like or want our help. This is what we are trying to do is HELP. This is not some evil thing like your group wants you to think.
T.H.,
I have a cousin who attends the church. I attend medical school. I’m not quite into following a religion, but I favor research towards what goes on in my cousin’s life and who she’s spending time with. Nevertheless, it’s interesting when you mention that you, or more so this website, is trying to “help” people, though it’s degrading a church/songs/members from one’s own perspective without using legitimate resources to support one’s claims. I would neither be able to use this website as a source if needed in one of my research compositions since it doesn’t qualify as a credible source. Publishing claims without peer review or without utilizing secondary resources already showcases illegitimacy of information at hand. One can be helpful without being disrespectful. Besides, if “true God” finds wmscog to be illegitimate, it seems that “true God” would know about it then, according to the belief and praises toward “God that knows all,” etc. In that case, wmscog would fail on it own, as would be anticipated. If that does not become the end result, then that’ll be surprising. In the meantime, I promote peace on earth through improving the quality of life/health.
Regards
Thank you for your comments. I can understand that being a student it’s possible that you have been too busy to check out very much of this website. The sources you seek are as well as links to other sources. My assessment of this group as I have mentioned here is very mild in comparison to how I really feel about them. The members themselves are victims of this nasty corporation and overall are generally nice people who honestly believe they are doing the right thing. It’s reprehensible how they are being manipulated and I choose to speak out about it. I can understand how you might see me as someone who is picking on them but before you try and judge my words again please learn about this manipulative group. Thank you once again for your comments.
How can I understand the bible and gain knowledge so I can prove them wrong im stuck in this church I never did believe in this church
Leslie, I’m glad you came back. You leaving this group has nothing to do with proving anything to them. I understand that your boyfriend is in there and for his sake you want to show him the truth so he will leave also. This is not something you can do for him. He needs to make the decision to test what he’s being taught and seek out the truth. Your best course of action right now is to leave the group. This might just be the thing he needs to shake him out of the WMS. If you keep going with him it’s going to send mixed messages and he will feel that you are going to reengage with the WMS as long as you keep going. My loved one was told as long as they kept studying, praying, and preaching eventually the whole family would come into the WMS. None of us ever went but could you imagine the mixed message that my loved one would have felt if we had? You have to do the hard things and cut off all ties with the WMS right now.
As for biblical information, there’s a mountain of it right in this website. Use it but understand this, the current members are not going to listen to you because the truth conflicts with what they want to believe is real. Until someone really wants the truth they are not going to see it when it’s presented to them. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink no matter how much it needs it.
for those listening to Steven Hassan, before you believe, YOU should go first for yourself to world mission society church of God and confirm with your two eyes whether what he is talking is true or FALSE. it’s very easy to say something negative to someone just like Pharisees did to Jesus 2000 years ago. THEY ALSO CALLED JESUS HERETIC and false prophet but it’s not true. If you’re really a fair person, Listen first to the prophecies EXPLAINED BY THE CHURCH, then you would find out the TRUTH. GOD BLESS YOU…
Elizabeth, you compare Steve Hassan to the Pharisees? The Pharisees were the keepers of the Words of God. Even though they did not understand them the way they should they were still the keepers of the Judean faith. Steve, I’m sad to say, is not a Christian and best I can tell doesn’t aline himself with any religious group. He does try to be respectful of other peoples beliefs while still not advicating for any group. If Steve Hassan is a Pharisee then he really sucks at it but not as bad as your groups attempt to discredit him. God Does Not Bless Your Group! The way your group ignores so much of Gods Word places you squarely into the people that take away from the Word of God. Get free of this trap you are in right now! The alternative is that you will partake in all of the plagues and end up separated from God because of your participation in the WMSCOG. By the way, I have tried to study with your group and I found it so offensive and contradictory to Gods Word that it physically makes me nautious. When I pointed out some of the obvious and rediculess problems between your doctrine and Gods Word I was pushed away. So much for studying with your group. No love was shown.
I have tried to visit your group. They are so loving and accepting that they would not even let me in the door! I guess your truth is not open to everyone! Talk about prejudging before you know the truth. GOD BLESS YOU IF IT IS JUST AND RIGHT FOR HIM TO DO SO!!!
Aahnsahnhong is the holy almighty god who came in flesh as per bible prophecy. Very danger brothers.. Don’t even say a word against wmscog.. Firstly come to our church without hesitation brother. Hear the prophecy.. Realise the truth.. Then say anything as you wish for your fate.. Very danger to speak Against the holy spirit.. Because the words against holy spirit never forgive.. So please brother.. See the prophecy .. Come to our church. Spent just 1hour in your whole life.. Instead of wasting your time on replying against me come to our church save the time for your soul..
Internet is not the way to realise truth.. The bible is the only way.. Internet are danger.. Satan’s weapon… Only through the bible we can see god brothers.. So please come to our church.. See the God’s word instead of Satan’s word’s in net..
Paul, I don’t care how you find your information as long as you do your own outside research. What I mean by outside research is that you get out from under the influence of the group so that you can discover things for yourself. So far it appears that you have been letting this group tell you what is right and what you should believe. You are not unlike many who have posted here before you so don’t feel bad. I’m afraid that most of you have never taken the time and effort outside of this group to discover if what you have been taught is the truth or not. Unfortunately most people just get spoon fed this doctrine and never take the time to learn what this group is really about before they devote their lives to it out of blind ambition. It works out great for the group controlling the individual but for the person giving up their lives for months even years it’s not advantageous. Take the time to do the research and don’t let anyone interrupt it! I don’t care where you get the information from just make sure it is credible and NOT from the group that has an interest in keeping you under their control.
Can someome tell me if they allow to attend to their service on Saturday only to those who are baptized? Is that a requirement for them? Because if it is that way then they are wrong because Jesus talks to everyone and do not ask are you baptized or not before preaching.
Hi Anon! You do not have to be baptized to visit the church on Sabbath Day. However, Jesus Christ does say, in Mark 16:15-16:
“He said to them, âGo into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Of course, as Christians, we want to believe the teachings of Jesus so that we will be saved. However, Jesus also states we must be baptized as well. This was likely what a member was trying to convey to you before. At the church, we do speak to anyone and preach to anyone, regardless of whether they were baptized or not. We want everyone to be saved, just as Jesus did 2000 years ago. I hope this helps clear anything up!
And yet it says, âGo into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved”. This is NOT the belief of the WMSCOG! They are more than willing to dump a bucket of water on your head as soon as possible in the name of the father and of the son and the name of Ahnsahnghong. Will you know this name that is spoken of. Probably not! In their words, you are still a new believer and just like a new born you must first be fed milk or else you will reject it and/or get sick because you cannot digest it properly. This church will speak to anyone for a moment however, when they decide you are not worth their time they’ll move on to someone that is more easily deceived by their twisting of the Word of God. There is only one name by which we are saved! JESUS!!! Don’t be tricked! Even Ahn taught this truth!
I have been attending for almost 2 months and I wont lie I have felt very spiritually out of touch with God.The fact they worship a dead man it really creeps me I am trying to find a way out the lady who recruited me is always calling for me to attend the endless services , this side my studies are very demanding she does not understand.
This whole idea of trying something before you call it wrong is a serious flaw in the thought processes.
Don’t think of murder as bad until you try it for yourself! What???
Now you might think that I’m overstating but what the WMSCOG does is spiritual murder! It’s not right and needs to be stood up against until it disappears completely.
It’s true, WMSCOG doesn’t want their members to go on the Internet. the free speak on the net cannot be controlled. and members do leave the church as a result. i’ve heard that some churches have even gone as far as saying that there is an evil spirit in the Internet. But come on, let’s not be deceived by such words.i think it’s just the control of the church talking.
@T H. Just wondering. Did we find out whether Heavenly Mother passed away? I think she did actually. But it’s not acknowledged openly by the church. (it’s still covered up, hidden secret).
I’m very upset with this group. My mother is elderly and has several medical conditions that require some special attention. But this church is telling her who to hang out with, what, where, and when to eat. And what she can and cannot do with her family members. My mother’s diabetes require her to eat at certain times and eat the proper food. How dare they have the right to control that.
The weird thing is that ever since she started going to this church, someone has been taking hundreds of dollars out of her account without her knowing. She also lies to me when it comes to matters of this church. Not to mention I have to listen to the fear in her voice when she talks about their beliefs (Which I believe is bogus and all made up)
When she told me she found her spirituality again, I was happy for her. But when all of this crazy nonsense started happening the more and more she was involved, It sounded just way too off. People to prey on those who seek comfort, aren’t human!
the reason that the church tells its members not to visit slandering websites is actually very simple to understand. If you have a brand new member and he or she wants to study and research the material on his or her own time, they are undoubtedly going to run into a slandering site with material that will deceive him or her if they are unlearned and lead them away from the truth.
for example, if you were a brand new Christian and wanted to do research about Jesus. if you type Jesus into Google search, there are literally thousands of websites dedicated to proving that Jesus is the Antichrist and even prove it by backing it up with verses from the Bible. These websites are very convincing especially to a person that is new to Christianity. Jehovah’s Witnesses love these websites.
what many people don’t know, is that all of the slender against the WMSCOG is actually incredibly easy to prove false.
It’s the facts against the WMSCOG that’s impossible for them to prove false!
I agree with Josh here, there is a LOT of information about Jesus being a false Messiah even the antichrist and they do have Bible verses to back them up. But there is a LOT more information using even the same Bible verses confirming that Jesus is the Christ. My point is that the sources are coming from different people with different backgrounds, churches, religions, professions not just one church.
My point once again is that you have to be objective, let’s say you are a doctor and you are saying you are the best or maybe your mother says so as well,( That’s bias) only other people like your patients, coworkers, even doctors that do the same as you can give you an objective perspective of your work. I have heard that The wmscog say that they are the church that grows the most and fastest around the world when I do a Google search about the topic the only websites that back that up are the ones from the wmscog, don’t you find that a little bias.
I do have some question for you brother, what is your definition of slander? Which churches discourage people to look if Jesus is false? can you show how this website is wrong? Please prove us wrong we all want to be able to find God. Thank you for taking the time to write here. GBY
Hi Josh, from what you have said, it seems that you must be a wms member that is considered strong in faith, or you would not be able to look on this site. Have you read the comments under the post on the forum called “Can you relate?” I talk to mothers, fathers, spouses, etc., of members on a very regular basis. I bet I have talked personally to over a hundred people who are either former members or who are non members adversely affected by their loved one being in the World Mission Society Church of God. I wouldn’t just believe anything I read on the internet, but when what I read matches hundreds of stories of people I have met and also mirrors my own experiences in dealing with this, then I believe it. And I do believe that while the people in the group are mostly very good people, they are completely deceived and exploited by a group who has taken away all their former goals in life and replaced them with their own selfish agenda. And their agenda is based on a complete lie.
As far as the church is concerned I was always told the 2012 part of the extended 2300 days and years was the start of judgement and I have been there longer then Diane and Ron.
As far as Ron was concerned he was teaching kids to not date each other and to get rid of all their music. As a result of this one of the kids got depressed and started doing drugs and soon after died of a drug overdose. Diane was also telling people to not have children because we supposedly according to Diane and Ron were in the last days. The Pastor at that time had never said anything to me about these crazy ideas and when I asked the pastor at that time about this he told me that was never the teaching of WMSCOG and not to listen to anyone who says anything that is their own ideas.
The WMSCOG has a reason to lie to you about this. They have lied to you about this! What would Ron or Diane get from you by lying to you? Answer is “Nothing”! The WMSCOG wants you plugged into their programing and will tell you whatever they need to in order to keep you from thinking for yourself. Time to wake up and use the mind that GOD gave you and stop following the stories that the WMSCOG administration is telling you.
You believe the church because your a fool , ron, dian and many others weres instructed by the church to say thoes things and no one died just more lies. The WMS should not be invalved in anyones life. Your pasto john is zhangs grandson and Dainel in NY is his fathr and zhags son you dont know crap about the people you put your faith in.
And if that is not proff enough to show you the church doctrines has changed then your a fool. I was there . them and it is a fact and we all have the study notes from thoes teachings. I saw many films befor 1999 about war and computor and global meltdown where nuckâ s could go off.
Ha Ha Ha, am I the only one commenting in 2015 besides a few others I have seen. Wow what a huge following is your God sleeping it looks like your followers are also.
1 Kings 18:27-. Look at them all flock here for the truth. Looks like satan even got board and went back to the catholics.
I’ve tried to comment on several of the WMSCOG websites. My comments are ALWAYS disregarded! Fortunately for you this website accepts challenges to the truth. The so called “truth” that the WMSCOG propagates does not and will not stand up to scrutiny. Have you ever thought about why that is? Better question would be; How much research did you do about these teachings and about the WMSCOG before you gave up your soul to it? By the way, God’s using us to reach out to you! He’s not dozing off like Zahng likes to do.
Oh Oh, there’s a Mother God I better start making plans.
Are you looking for a date?
Passover doesn’t make sense to you because you are an Idiot and besides shouldn’t you be out tempting something somewhere.
Who are you to be so foul and nasty? Sorry, I forgot you are just following the example set before you by the WMSCOG. FYI You might want to change the name you are posting under. Just a suggestion.
Actually I was wondering the same thing and my only answer is they are new to the church because best believe that kind of ungraciousness is not allowed in ano of oyr churches!
Now with your blasphemous rant about the Passover it is the single most important thing in the Bible that under the Law of Christ will give us forgiveness of sins, protection from disasters and eternal life. Seeing your ignorance of something that is holy and precious to God proves you have no way to be forgiven and when the Great Tribulation happens will suffer along with other people around the world, that is if some accident doesn’t happen beforehand.
How does the so called church brainwash you? Why do they believe
Everything is a shadow……i know members of the wmscog who are
not paying their bills nor cleaning their home, due to the beliefs
that the house is just a shadow….so sad!!!
first of all we must know why did christ Ahnsanghong wrote this book? let’s see in the book of john chapter 7 verse 8 and john7:10 campare this two verse . it prooves that Jesus is false? we must have to know why did Jesus said this words does it mean i do not go? as the same ways he said he said jerusalem is a city of heaven. bcoz that was not time to appear of real mother. mother the life giver appered after adam sleep. so cant adam say there is no mother eve? does it mean he lied? if you want to know what the fact please visit our church.
You need to be more clear about this so called contradiction in the book of John. As I read it there doesn’t seem to be a contradiction. I’m not sure where you are going with this. As for visiting your so called church, I have NEVER been welcomed there. Not even when my family member was a part of this group. The few times I’ve tried to visit I was turned away at the door basically being told that I needed to be invited before I could come in and study with them. I’m sure that these are not the facts that you want shared however, this is what HAS happened at three different locations and at a fourth location they didn’t even come to the door. I hope that your mind can become opened and that the truth will speak to you. If this is the place that you are in I encourage you to research everything that you have been taught. Do this on your own outside of the control of the WMSCOG. If you honestly do this you are going to find a lot of problems with the studies and the doctrine of the WMSCOG. Nobody can do this for you! You need to discover these things for yourself. There are plenty of folks here that are willing to discuss what they have discovered over the years if you care to open up a honest conversation with us.
please visit us we will testify about his words he is right or wrong. we believe him as christ. we have these all books but u know why we believe in him?. did pharisiees believed in him although they know bible more than other. i can testify u that passover is the first command of bible. but u donot understand by comparing with the verse of mattheww. why did he say passover is the first command when he know the verse of matthew?
Just yesterday I was stopped by a pleasant young lady professing this “bride” and female god. I sadly admit I was lured in and I was even “baptized” while I was praying the many times that night I prayed silently to be revealed the truth, bc anything new to me I have to consult God first. When I came home after 6 hours of,now i know as false prophesy, i decided to do some diggin which led me here. Call me a good actor and pease nominate me for an Oscar, because my spirit and what i already know about the bible aside from attending traditional church, this was a bunch of phony balony. I had way too many questions i dont think they liked that too much. I politely told the young lady that I won’t be returning. They almost had me, but I may not know the entire word of God but I do know false teachings when I see it. Thanks for opening my eyes to what God had already revealed to me.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to traditions of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
I just hope they don’t harass me…
P.s NO MAN CAN SAVE YOU OR WORKS OF YOUR OWN!!
you admin n other blame Ahnsanghong is false christ. could you explain me then which one is the real fact church? to blame other are easy but it is not needed to blame but try to teach fact laws of bible to get salvation. do not judge other till lord’s come. if passover is false then what is right? if you dont know how could you judge by not knoing true teachings? i believe him as creator if you u visit wmscog then you will get good informations about their foundnation of faitb in Christ Ahnsanghong. if u were in the time of Jesus will u ask pharisees to know about Jesus is creator or not? if u ask with decieples of Jesus why do u believe him as christ then u will get the points.
POOR PEOPLE.
GRACIAS A UD., NUESTRO EVANGELIO PROSPERA, ES LO MISMO HACE DOS MIL AĂOS LOS OBSTACULIZADORES PROPAGABAN FALSOSO RUMORES DE JESUS.
Pero bueno ustedes existen porque tambien cumplen una profecĂa en la biblia y solo hacen su trabajo, los felicito.
isa.44.6.kjv Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
God would never lie. So if they are saying Mother God been there since the beginning, why is that not stated? And wait you’re going to tell me Mother God and Father God are one. So is the God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Since when does Trinity means 4? Im trying to save my sisters’souls here.
You know what i was told a lot of things when i went to this church one time. Now they are saying things differently. I think they go to sites like this, have their meetings and tell their members something else before members question them. My sister be at the church 7 days a week. 1st it was 9:30pm now its 11:30pm. I understand keeping the word of the lord but man! She’s in it deep and i can’t get her to understand or willing to listen to me. Everytime i say something she says , “well if you look at this verse right here….or “thats not what that verse mean” Well dang how come you can say this is What that means but i can’t say this is what this mean? Like im never right, and dont know what im talking about.
I keep hearing this question, “Which one is the real church?” How many people have used this argument to stay locked into this abusive controlling group? The bible teaches us that we are the church! Not some group! The church is inside of us. What you really need to be doing is cultivating your relationship with the ONE TRUE GOD that the Bible speaks of. Stop letting others tell you how to read things into the scriptures. When the bible says things like you will know they are false prophets when they make predictions and they don’t come true you should believe what the Bible says! Don’t you believe in the Bible? The WMSCOG says they do and then they PROVE that they don’t! As for judging others the Bible teaches that the way you judge others is the way that you will be judged. I invite this! Please judge the teachings of the WMSCOG just as you would the teachings of the Bible. I don’t mind admitting when I am wrong. The WMSCOG has a track history of just changing their truth when things don’t work out or when a teaching is found false of ineffective. The truth NEVER changes! The reason why the truth of the WMSCOG’s truth keeps changing is because it’s NOT the truth! Start visiting the ONE TRUE GOD and get away from the WMS!
F.N., that is what is so frustrating about this group. There is no fairness or compromise. You must listen to them, but they won’t listen to you. They are right and you are always wrong, in their eyes. You should go into their church with them but they can’t even set foot in your church, even for a funeral or wedding. Not one bit of give and take. And yes, they can change what they have fervently preached, like the end of the world date in 2012, and there can be no questioning why. I know of a guy in Chicago Zion who said to a group of us,”I am so sure that the world will end in 2012, that if it doesn’t, they should bar the doors of this church and put a padlock on it.” Well, guess what, it didn’t happen and he is still a member. Now they said they never preached it. Interesting that all their members thought that was the end of the world date if they never preached it. If they could be so completely wrong about that, then what else is complete B.S.? Rhetorical question. I know what else is B.S. I feel so sorry for the members who are so complete fooled and are being taken advantage of by these manipulators.
I met members of this group back around 2003 and they were saying this 2012 thing then too. I remember at the time I was into new age stuff, and in quite a number books the 2012 thing was being promoted. Hearing this 2012 thing from a church was a bit confusing but that was not the only thing confusing they preached. Since then I have realized that if any religion is true, it is Christianity, and the gospel. And not the supposed christianity of world mission society church of god either. It’s just as bad as the sun myung moon church, another Korean who claimed to be Christ!! What is it about Koreans that they love to claim to be Christ so much? Maybe its because Koreans know a lot about power structures and control? Who knows.
Man this story is getting good!she should write a book. Contact ABC news, might of fact. Im going to look into this. Have anyone ever tried to do so with abc, nbc, cbs, 60 minutes or something? This is very upsetting.
Unfortunately most of the network don’t seem to want to poke this hornets nest. There have been reporters that have done research and were prepared to move on this story only to have it shut down by their editors, networks, and/or lawers. It’s frustrating because it really is a story that needs to be told.
Dang shame…
The “We Love U Foundation” is an International front group for the World Society Church of God. A parallel example would be the well organized cult, “Moonies” Who have done this successfully with many front groups. The purpose of front groups is to interact with society with charitable works in the guise of “helping” people in order to attract more recruits. Cults usually have a pyramid structure in which there is one central leader, “God the Mother” in which all who are indoctrinated submit to. Their job is to go out and recruit as many new members as they can. One of the first duties of new members are to recruit new members. “We Love U” have also organized demonstrations on college campuses by getting members inside of off campus student groups such as religious tolerance clubs and the like. These tactics influence youth to view the groups as harmless, happy and a fulfilling way of life. Front groups are formed by incorporating them legally in each state that church members open shop as well as filing in America for a 501(c) 3 to make it a non profit religious entity. By doing so, they are protected from an open book policy through the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which means any profits gained for their church isn’t tracked. From researching this information, it appears they are sending the money back to Korea to the main church’s family, which is Zangh Gil Jah’s family who are billionaires living a lofty life.
The main problem is that they are deceptive in their recruiting methods. They are committing an act of fraud. They will continue to get away with it if people don’t become more aggressive in exposing them.
you must not judge according to its appearance or lifestyle. we don’t have the same thought of god. even jesus was not recognized as god because he has brother and he has his mother and father. he(jesus) was living a normal life before, that is why people are saying to him that “you HYPOCRITE” because they cannot believe that a man who is a resident in there place would proclaim that he is god. THEY knew jesus. Jesus is just ordinary man. but god already planned to choose jesus to fulfilled his mission on earth. WE MUST NOT RELY ON WHAT IS SEEN. WE MUST RELY ON THE PROPHECY IN THE BIBLE. ONLY CHRIST AHNSANGHONG FULFILLED WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.HE IS GOD . AND WE MUST NOT RELY ON THE OPINION OF OTHER PEOPLE BUT HEAR THE PROPHECY ABOUT HIM
If you chose to be blind, that is your choice. Did you read the article? In thr new songs and videos, are their the portrayal of Ahn as a Father to 4 children? In the, “Fathers Sacrifice” video, it shows and even talks about him being up all nite in his one room shanty, staying up “alone”. But having 4 children, and a wife, we realize now that WMS
that WMS has painted this picture. You see AHN on vacation, eating meals(not just porridge). In another video, Zhang spoke about a sister who visited ASH and he lived by himself. We need to face the facts, about truth vs. A lie. Its not about “Man can’t undrrstand as God does”, question is, “Can God Lie?” If the answer is, No thrn Ahn isnt God.
Ahn did not lie.
Hi all, I am an exmember of this Church/cult! They are so brain washing people’s minds. Killing their souls. When I got Baptized They never told me that Ahn Sahng Hong was married and had children. Even about the so called Heavenly Mother being married. We were never told about the So Called Heavenly Mother being a CHAIRWOMAN to the International We Love You Foundation. Not even one member of our church was ever told or even heard about we love you foundation group! Also they says bible says that God know everything and they so called Heavenly Mother could not even speck the same language as her Sons and Daughters who lived around the world. She always had to have Korean member with her to translate their language. Which I thought was very odd for someone who was meant to be God.
You do know Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic right? So Heavenly Mother was born and raised in Korea plus she is in the flesh so it’s not a total shot in the dark why she speaks Korean. The Bible says the Jesus was made human in every way possible so that is why though He was God he was still subject to rules of this earth. Christ Ahnsahnhong and Heavenly Mother were also born in flesh just like the rest of us so are subject to the same problems. It is sad you had such a closed mid and heart to the teachings you were allowed to receive by God. Now you blasheme the Holy Spirit for which you cannot be forgiven.
Wts happening, who’s ds ahnsonghong, y d people are targeting Christians and diverting there mind through bible with the help of ahnsonghong books, people are breaking all relations and standing for wmc, dI’d Jesus teach this,are v n last days as Jesus informed people wil cme in the name f Christ and say myself Christ :-/
Really? I didn’t see any line.that it says 2012 is the end ,can you confirm that? because I don’t see so
You should translate the whole book specially the prefaceâŠ
Wait a minute. Steve Hassan? The self-proclaimed cult expert? No where in the world can one get a degree in “cults” or have expertise in cults. Especially as a “self-proclaimed” one. That’s straightforward logic, since I’d like to find credibility if a group is actually a cult from someone who can RELIABLY make that judgment. Ridiculous. You might as well say that The Beatles are a cult.
Hassan Hoax, draw your own conclusions. I could care less what title you’d like to or prefer not to use, but your logic is flawed. Additionally, it aggravates me when I hear members regurgitating the same “explanations”. Think for yourself!
You don’t trust anything with Hassan’s name stamped on it because he said He’s a cult expert? I challenge you to pick up a book about social psychology. Read it.
You don’t need a degree to become an expert in something! Think! Read! To be an EXPERt you should have training or EXPERience.
I’m not trying to come down on you. I’m sorry. Please stop and before you post, think about what you are saying. Don’t be too worried to think.
I would like to know the admin’s response to heortazo being a verb and not a metaphorical noun.
Hey I just want to let you know that this post was the breaking point for me, it was what finally got me to leave after being a member for nearly a year. Thank you for all the efforts in doing this.
Great to hear that we could help you to make an informed decision đ
I am actually quite interested to learn about what Mr Ahn’s original teachings were. Just for the sake of learning history, you know?
The official teaching as of now is that the world will end before zhang dies, and that those in zion will be saved (144,000 transformed in an instant, the great multitude first dies then resurrects.)
Just putting this out here, as zhang is 70+ old now I think this will be quite interesting in another 20 years time.
Your correct Kai. My family rrcently left after 4 years. In 4 years there have been a number of “prophecies” hinting at the end, but when the don’t come to pass, therr is an excuse.
I have no problem in exposing them. I know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Prevail, Thank God… I am Angry, I am Sad, I am Mad, I Cry and Then I get Stronger again. My Faith In Jesus Christ Will Guide Me. I Will Rescue My One and Only Daughter and Her Fiance, and My 1st Grandchild out of this Very Abusive Destructive Cult. My Faith is Only Getting Stronger and Deeper. My Daughter Was at a Vulnerable stage in Life, She will be able to one day Mourn and Grieve her Father who recently passed away. They May Have Got Her Inheritance and Her Car and Much Much More, I am One Determined Mother who Does not want her Grandchild raised in this Evil Cult. Please Pray I am Successful as I have my work cut out for me… Thank-You and God Bless…
Kelli, please post on the forum. Your story may help others, and you can receive support and good advice as well. Many are struggling in the same way you are.
I don’t how to post on the forum, sorry, I thought I was on the forum
Kelli, you have to go to the forum and make an account. Then you can hit PM on people’s names there and private message them. It is worth it to have someone help you make the account as you can talk to people privately as well as on the forum. You are someone many of us would like to talk to as we have/or still are experiencing what you are. I hope you will get someone to help you find your way to the forum.
I am willing to try again…
A man that I dated and I believe truly cared for me, punishes himself daily because of his “earthly desires”. They have conditioned him to ignore his emotions and be cold. He believes he committed carnal sins in heaven and that’s why he was expelled from heaven. He refrains from intimacy because he doesn’t want to commit those sins anymore. He believes in father/mother God. I don’t think he has researched them enough because they tell him not to because people, like the ones that ridiculed Jesus, will speak badly of his father mother God. He spends all his time in church, with bible studies and so forth. They keep him up late with the studies and he’s always so tired and napping. He stays in a bad mood. He has disconnected himself from his family. What can I do, or say, so he can initiate questioning these people?
Hope, please go to the forum and find the message about how there is no way that there is a god the mother. Several people who have left this group started with this simple idea. I agree with Mountainmom that talking someone out of this group is not really possible. A member has to make some discoveries about the truth on their own before they decide to leave. What you need to do is just ask questions that will lead this man down a path to the truth. You must be very careful about how you do this. If he feels that you are in some way threatening you might just cause him to go further into the group. Be loving and act curious with your questions. If he feels like you are at lease a little bit interested he won’t feel so threatened by your questions.
Hope ask your husband why would God give Solomon so many wives and concubines if such things were to be considered sinful? Did god make Solomon sin by granting him all the desires of the flesh? did not Crist turn water into wine did he make his disciples sin NO. NO such thing are not sinful they are just natural things. where in the bible does it say such things are sin?
TH, who posted just above you gives a pretty good argument. I can’t tell you that anything anyone says will help this man, though. I haven’t seen anyone talked out of this group, really. I have seen interventions work (and some that haven’t) and I have seen people leave on their own, but no one has come on here and said how they have talked someone out, that I know of.
All you can do is off them unconditional love and refrain from talking badly about their beliefs, because they have already been very schooled on how to argue with people, and basically anyone who tries to talk them out of it becomes some kind of “agent of Satan” to them. That is what they are taught.
Go to the forum here and start posting and talking to people who have already dealt with this. Read all you can about how to deal with it, and talk to people who have been in your position. We are all willing to help. There is too much to consider to just put on here, but you will make connections on the site who can help you. Good luck.
I have been with this cult for 6 months help me to get out from there and there pressure me if i leave i will go to hell after i die!
The church does not claim that ASH and Zhang were ever married. what the church refers to is there is some type of spiritual connection between the 2
Wow, this shows your complete lack of research. You might want to try posting after you discover the truth.
Dian your a coward and what you still don’t have a life? lol. did you get your money back yet lol though I would take a look after 2 years and still nothing new hear.
Mred, what are you talking about? Who is Dian? Why did someone take her money, and why are you calling her a coward? Lol?
I have to admit, Mred, your comment makes you seem very mean spirited. Are you?It appears as a taunt of some kind. Is that how you really meant it?
haha we can try to understand why they do what they do. Then we can then speak if not we are just blindly following our emotions. seek first to understand if we want to be understood. Theres reasons why they are so passionate about the thing they believe.
Wow, someone must have told Mred to stop representing the “church” in a bad light. I still am wondering what he meant about someone taking Dian’s money. Many might assume, since he won’t reply, that the Wms somehow got a lot of her money and now that she knows they are a scam, she has tried to get it back. That doesn’t sound cowardly. It sounds like she is mad and is a fighter. Just my opinion.
If someone or something bleeds a person’s finances dry and then taunts them about their major financial loss, just how many people would want to be associated with this? And what kind of people would laugh at another’s pain? Is that why you were told (just conjecture here) to shut up?
Buddy they never taught that they were physically married I was in over 15 years and I know more than you ever will. But I will say information is different church to church so it is possible they told you that but not in LA
tim, I know you. You’re a good guy overall. In the previous two post of yours you contradicted yourself. 1) The church does not claim that ASH and Zhang were ever married. 2) they never taught that they were physically married.
Sorry for the lack of research comment I know that you have a ton of information about the inner working of this group as well as stories of your own. I’m glad to see you posting here once in a while.
Saying that AhnSahngHong is not Christ simply because he’s Korean is like saying that Jesus is not Christ because he is a Jew. The location and nationality is irrelevant.
Where in the bible does it say that God is not allowed to marry or have physical children? The bible says that christ came to be like man in every way.
The church has never lied to me about AhnSahngHong having a wife and children. I’m going to give the individual that told you otherwise the benefit of the doubt by saying that he/she probably didn’t know that information. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge.
I think its also important to note that AhnSahngHong and Mother never had a physical marriage. Or a physical relationship for that matter. the marriage ceremony was only symbolic in nature. It was never intended to be a physical relationship.
The Bible Does not State that he can not marry that is correct
But MEMBERS were TOLD that He was NOT and SHE was NOT.. 100%
I was a Member for over 10 years
Now Lets look at what Apostle PAUL said it is Better NOT TO MARRY why??
Gets in the way of FULL FOCUS
Now the issue is not that He did .
It is being LIED to..why
Also Isaiah 54 says O BARREN woman ..one has Never Bore a CHILD
This Does not make sense if it is PHYSICAL or SPIRITUAL
Exactly, Joseph. The lies are the big problem with that church. They are lying to hide something, and I think we all know what it is already.
Ahn did not lie.
now…compare the teaching that you’ve learned from the WMSCOG to other churches…think about that..
Yes brother you are absolutely right. They never discuss or speak anything about the real life story of both the false gods, If they disclose then they will be proved humanbeings. It’s not about man can’take understand as God does.question is, “Can God LIE. If the answer is no, then tthey are God. People have been deceived and fooled by the WMSCOG very badly, I do know when they will understand the difference between SUPERNATURAL and Natural, SINLESS and SINFUL, PURE AND IMPURE, HOLY and UNHOLY. No doubt the devil wants people to be away from worshiping the one and only One God, God the Almighty. It’s not shocking, the devil has doing this right from the beginning,the devil has been playing and misusing God’s word that’s exactly what he wants,NO doubt he has made the WMSCOG his deadliest weapon to keep people away from worshiping the true Almighty God. The result is in front of you the false christ and the false god the mother.
“Where in the bible does it say that God is not allowed to marry or have physical children?…”
The mere fact that the so called “heavenly parents” went on to marry others causes so many problems with the teaching of this group. And frankly distorts Christianity. Because if they were the ones who created mankind in genesis why then did they go ahead and marry their creation?
“The church has never lied to me about AhnSahngHong having a wife and children…”
God as we know is omnipresent so why would they marry their creation when their eternal spouse is witnessing the infidelity? Father marries another woman and has three kids with her and mother marries another man and has children with him.
How is this making any sense?
Why did Jesus have brothers? It doesn’t make sense.
I’m trying to understand what Jesus’s brothers have to do with the lie of this cult that there is a mother god?
The pictures that you shared don’t exactly prove whether or not Ahnsanghong suffered. All it shows is that he ate food and swam in a lake. the one picture of him eating food only shows him eating healthy food for that particular day. what about the remaining 6 days of that week? Did he eat? if so, how much?
I will say that he isn’t exactly a skinny man. But then again, neither am I. I used to go days without eating back when I was homeless. But you know what? I’m still fat. Not all starving people are skin and bones.
also, we need to ask ourselves “When”. When did he suffer? Was it before or after he established the church? Everyone knows that it takes a LOT of suffering and sacrifice when starting something new. But after it thrives, is he not allowed to enjoy a healthy meal with his fellow believers?
How can Jesus, a dead man who practiced cannibalism be God? Just sayin. đ
I’m surprised that a men of the WMS would even try this question. I’m sure you’re trying to lead the conversation into something about prophesy. That’s really what this whole website is about. The WMS translation of the Bible and the prophecies is false. Here’s another idea you might want to consider, if you’re going to try and discredit Jesus the why would it matter to you if Ahn was the second coming of Jesus? Either you believe Jesus is God and what He said was true or you’re wasting your time. Please show us where Jesus taught the disciples about a mother god or a third time He was going to come and I’ll gladly stop questioning the idea of Ahn.
The truth is that the church never speaks anything about Anghsunghong’s life before he was baptised, this itself proves that Anghsunghong by birth was Buddhist, we believe that Jesus Christ came in human form but at the same time he was supernatural. The record of Jesus christ right from his birth to death proves that he was supernatural. But Anghsunghong record from birth to death is not supernatural. In reality Anghsunghong did not fulfill any prophesies .The church the general pastor has very cunningly misused God’s word and has made his own doctrine only to make humanbeings gods.for example the verse in Heb 7:3, god has to come as a gentile, a gentile is one who worships Idols. Why would God be a gentile, if it is, then the first commandment has no meaning, Melchizedek is God, and is supernatural, no beginning no ending, no genealogy, and no religion. Ourban god is jealous God, why would God become a gentile, Jesus said I came to save people not make religion God does not have religion. Restoring the passover, the feast does not make anyone god.
Also, you have misinformation about the New Covenant Passover Church of God(NCPCOG)
Ahnsanghong did not establish this church. This church was established a year after Ahnsanghong’s death in 1986 by his Son.
Any evidence to prove this? An undoctured picture on their website, shows him preacing and in the background on a banner is their church eblem, the same one used today.
God says over two hundred times in the Bible that He is the only One. Do you think God lies? Members get so focused on the other trivial things that the leaders tell them to focus on that they miss the major things of the Bible.
Think outside the box. The Wms IS THE BOX.
God never lies, do you know?
what about us? what about you?
Do you know that because of your lies God came again in the flesh suffering the physical pain that only us sinner must feel?
I want you all to know that when Jesus came a first time many are like you who reject and slander the truth Jesus came to preach. Do you know how hurt is it? Do you know how hard the feelings of the apostles who saw how people reject Jesus at that time? And now do you know that your doing the same fault as what the people who didn’t gave respect to Jesus 2000 years ago?
Jesus came a second time just for us to know the truth carrying the new name Christ Ahnsahnghong. We, the members of the WMSCOG will never leave and betray the church that gives the truth. And we encourage you to please listen to the truth and listen to the voice of Mother and met Father in the air when the last judgement will come.
The first time Jesus came and died for us his true followers mourned him! After his resurrection they celebrated Him. NOW your group reject Him and replace Him. Know the REAL truth and free yourself from this entrapment! This group does not give truth it distorts the truth! I’m glad you’re looking around here. You have a lot to learn about your group and the real truth about what you’re being spoon fed and how abusive this group really is.
You should study with them before you slander things you don’t understand. They worship Jesus as well. You can find the name of Jesus in their song book!
That a lie you are speaking, I have seen them saying jesus is no more, it’s Anghsunghong, because baptised, pray and worship Anghsunghong only. All are fooled and decieved.
In the old testament, Jehovah exclaimed that his name was the only name by which salvation is given.
In the new testament, Jesus said that his name is the only name by which salvation is given.
Which one is it? And how can we tell whether Jesus is who he says he is?
I know that one of you must know this answer. đ
I was fooled by these ppl but am not going back.
Great!! I recently left as well. Trust in the fact that the WMS is a lie.
Amen
Please help my daughter has just joined and I have no idea how to help her get out. She is brainwashed.
Anne, you are right that she is brainwashed. The feelings that you are having are real and justified. What you need to do in order to help her get out is going to go against what you are really going to want to do. When my loved on was trapped by this group I just wanted to prove just how false this group is. DON’T DO THAT!!! She has already been prepped with the idea that people outside of this group are going to try and take away the “Truth” from them so if you start in on her with proving that this group is false she will see it as they were right. You will look like you are trying to take away the information that has been shared with her. Again, DON’T DO THAT!!! What you need to do is show her real love! The so called love that she thinks that she’s discovered will eventually fade and she will remember that your love has not faded. Keep the lines of communication open! This is key number two. The group will try and separate her from all previous support system that were in her life including you. They will attempt to place themselves into that role so that your daughter will only listen to them when things count. They will attempt to cut her off from all outside influences especially things that go directly against their teachings. Your best approach when talking with her about this is to act curious, ask questions, and help her to come to her own conclusions. She has studied her way into this mess and she will need to study her way out of it. This is going to be a very slow process so you need to be very patient and at times very disarming. When tensions start to build you need to back down. Hard to do I know but believe me this is what helps. When they can’t defend because you won’t fight they are not sure how to handle it. Keep showing love and keep the lines of communication open. BTW Never let her talk you or any other family member into attending a service or study. It will only make her go further into the group. They are already telling her that if she tries hard enough and sticks with them then her family will come into the WMSCOG as well. It’s a trap! Don’t fall for it!
Having to pray in a language I do not know and going to see mother a Physical woman. It’s starting to scare me.
I am having financial struggles due to illness. God knows my situation and I don’t need anyone’s not even this church to make me feel otherwise.
On page 89 of Ahnsahnghong’s book Spring and the Water of Life, he says that no one will be saved except by the name of Jesus now and forever, basically. He talks like Jesus is another entity, not like he is Jesus. And of course, he isn’t Jesus. Show me where in the Bible where it says Ahnsahnghong. And show me where it says Jhang Gil Ja. You can’t. And it says you must not add or subtract from the Bible. It is so very obvious that the Wms is twisting scripture. Ahnsahnghong must be rolling over in his grave thinking of how his words were twisted too.
Ahnsahnghong doesn’t say that he is Jesus at any time, and that is according to his own writings.
Show me in the old Testament where it says that the saviors name is going to be Jesus.
Wow, I just visited this church recently, and I found it strange. From the seating arrangements, to the ABUNDANCE of God bless you’s (love bombing), to the persistent requests to return. I’m so glad I came upon this site.
First you show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it says the name Ahnsahnghong.
LingDai….The Melchizedek Prophecy has a million holes in it. When I left WMS, my memory was jogged back to undergrad. A very knowledgable mentor told me that the NIV has major translation errors. (For instance when it comes to the Cross Reverence Study…Lamentations 26:1 actually says, “Kneeling stone”, Jews are forbidden to pray kneeling. This changes things ALOT) All of the sermons and prophecies should add up in ANY translated work. My point is this..WMS will tell you to check the scriptures, because everything they say adds up. But you can only check it with them, and they guide you to scriptures that don’t look at things objectively.
Admin,please explain this verse. Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.us and our is plural right? Now another verse,Ecclesiates 12:1 ‘remember thy creators in the days of thy truth while that the evil days come out, nor the years have arrived, that thou sayest I have no pleasure in them’. Ok now the words creators and them are both plural. The word elohim that means Gods is plural. Yahweh in Hebrew is the singular verb for god. How do you explain that their is only god the father if their is plurality in the meaning of god.
You may have missed this article that talks about the meaning of Elohim.
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/elohim-one-god-or-two/
I really appreciate your efforts and research. How did you get the documentation of ahns wife and children? Doesn’t ahnsahnghong say that Jesus has to come in secret?
You must be a member. Why aren’t you concerned with more important things like the manipulation your likely being subjected to?
Jonas, isn’t Elohim a Jewish word? Don’t you think the Jews understand their language better than we do? I asked a Jewish man if Elohim meant two Gods and he laughed! Of course the answer was no.
And how would you explain that God says over a hundred times in the Bible that He is the only one? Do you think God lies? I know He doesn’t.
He didn’t “reveal” anyone later either, because that would be lying too. If you came to my door and asked if I was the only one there and I said yes, but I knew that I someone was sitting in another room, wouldn’t that be a lie? Well of course it would. And God didn’t lie when He said He was the only one.
The WMS argument/sermon , “Savior of each age” is flawed. A Jew will tell you that in the old testament, there is CLEAR understanding of Jehovah being in existence. Then, the Messiah was always understood as God coming in th flesh, and as being the same. We know this. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of this. This is the SAME old testament. So the argument of;
Jehovah being the only one
Then Jesus being the only one
Has flaws. The OT always told of thr Messiah, being Jehovah.
@Jonas. Many men have said, “Jesus has to come in secret”. These are the same men that Jesus said to be watchful of…”For many will say, here is the Christ”…But Jesus daid NOT to follow them.
The WMS claim that the 2nd coming will be in secret. They also claim the above scriptured are at the end. They also claim Hebrews 9:28 speaks of ASH bringing the passover and saints out of the dark ages
Thank you for all this valuable information. Why are all these wms churches doing things like this? I have to get baptized the correct way now right? I just got baptized into this church on November 11th and I just got kicked out of the Denver branch because I punched some guy in the face during an awards ceremony. It wasn’t even in the church. How can I keep Passover now? How can I keep Sabbath day? Why do they pray in the name of somebody else and not Jesus? I feel betrayed.
If all the information you have provided me is true and most of it comes from ncpcog right? The wmscog claims you have to acknowledge God the mother in order to go to heaven. I don’t see that anywhere in the bible. They claim that any is second coming Christ but they don’t explain that to you right before baptism. They do keep the laws of the new covenant but they pray to a false god the mother. Man I thought this church meant well. How long has this website been about?
GOD BLESS YOU!!!! I had a deacon lie to me too!! When they started to teach me about how to pray to mother and father, deep down I thought God please forgive me if this is wrong. Whoever made this website GOD BLESS YOU and let’s follow jesus the true God in flesh. Mr Ramos or whoever the admin is,thank you for all your time and effort in developing the actual truth. God bless you. Lets follow jesus and go to heaven.
I haven’t even been involved for two months and now I can’t even go back because I punched some guy in the face during an awards ceremony. They kicked me out and forbid me to return. I can’t believe I was baptized and then told to pray some Korean man and women who they don’t even mention before your baptism. Thank Ron Ramos or whoever the admin is for doing countless hours of research and studying. If it weren’t for this website I would still be their as their slave. It is more of a business then it is a church. My prayers are with this poor woman tonight. GOD BLESS YOU!!
Low and behold after many years of helping people out of cult groups, I found out this past week that my grandson is now involved with the WMSGOG. I have been researching this group and speaking at Metro State University attempting to reduce their aggressive recruiting efforts on the the campus. A group of us met with a local leader of the Church of God on the campus but after about 20 minutes of discussion he left very angry yelling at us. I am looking for any ex- member in the Denver area to pleas contact me.
mark I know them all well enough, but what good will that do you?
Every bible has errors. Even the KJV has errors. In fact, the errors written in the KJV are even worse then that of the NIV. I used to be a Baptist. The Baptists preach that the KJV is the one and only correct bible, and any other bible is a perverted translation. This was actually a bit of brainwashing on their part. I don’t think they mean it that way, but if you actually stop to think about it, in essence, even the KJV is a “translation” of the original scriptures. But even if there are errors in every version, the core teachings are the same in every translation.
However, the thing that the NIV does that raises eyebrows is that they took entire verses out of the book. Like for example, in Mark 9, it skips verses 44 and 46.(there are several cases of these and most of them are in the book of Mark) But what the NIV never fails to do is add a footnote in order to understand what used to be there.
“Some manuscripts include here words similar to verse 48”
The reason they did this is to save room and redundancy. Otherwise, it would have repeated itself three times in the same paragraph. But if you think about it, they didn’t ACTUALLY take the verses out. Since they took the time to write the footnotes in there, the verses are technically still there.
But back on topic.(A.D.D.) just so we’re clear, I am an Italian American. I was raised in a household of a bunch of cranky-pants’ who question everything in terms of religion and such. I’ve probably put more stress on my local WMSCOG then anyone there. I criticize everything and challenge as much of their doctrine as possible. I mean, this is my salvation we’re talking about. they have always been incredibly patient with me and answered me with absolute grace. I haven’t noticed any holes or flaws in their teachings yet. Melchizedek included. So if you know of any, Please share.
Your comment has nothing to do with this article. Please move your conversation to the forum where it belongs.
what kind of article is this? I don’t know much about the church of God but this article proves nothing but it is only to slander the WMSCOG, am I right? Examining the WMSCOG? what an effort…
I also examine the church but looking at it nothing is right to what you want us to know, Ahnsanghong don’t have physical children and also their teaching (http://WWW.WATV.ORG) is actually don’t contradict the Bible but explain the Bible actually better than you do.
So what’s you Identity? because what can I see is the one who create this article was false than the WMSCOG.
Either you believe Jesus is God and what He said was true or youâre wasting your time. Please show us where Jesus taught the disciples about a mother god or a third time He was going to come and Iâll gladly stop questioning the idea of Ahn.
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Hi LingDai, actually translations in the Bible including the NIV or KJV have its errors especially the book of Genesis and Revelation. Do you know that if we will just going to base to the original text of the Bible, we will find out and clearly understand that Mother and Father appear? Before I met the WMSCOG no one can explain to me the right teachings of the Bible, they just explain by their own words even though they are pastors or priests. But when I’ve been in the church of God I learn a lot, the truth that we can never imagine. Pls visit the WMSCOG and study the Bible diligently with a open mind đ
Either you believe Jesus is God and what He said was true or youâre wasting your time. Please show us where Jesus taught the disciples about a mother god or a third time He was going to come and Iâll gladly stop questioning the idea of Ahn.
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Mark, post in the examining forum and someone will most likely send you a private message there. I think there are some former Denver people on the site.
are you joking,that is a low assumed amount. most members tithes and offerings are given in cash and I can tell you it is not reported. Did the church say what the assumed amount of cash that was given?
food for the congregation is paid by the members not the church itself. that is a tax report lie
I remember how we payed for “EVERYTHING”. We were rebuked, yelled at many times for not giving more. We were yelled at also for not paying out of pocket fot the 7,000$ oil bill for the church.
Look at all the money they have, and I know that at least one member was told that their Korean pastor, who was one of the Lees, did not even have enough money for health insurance. This same pastor told people that he was not paid by the church at all. When asked then how did he live, he said he owned an electronics store back in Korea.
we were always told that the Church did not have that much money and church was the members and we needed to take care of our home (Spiritual)
So members gave for everything But well ok .
Now lets do some Math
OVER 2,000,000 TWO MILLION MEMBERS REGISTERED ok so I will not use all Because not all always go . So lets use 500,000 FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND
500,000 GIVE $1.00 one DOLLAR that is $500,000.00 collected in one service
Three Services $1,500,000.00 ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND ….
NOW WHO ONLY GIVES $1.00 ONE DOLLAR A SERVICE . THE KIDS ok
THIS IS ONLY AN OFFERING THE BLUE ENVELOPE YOU ALL KNOW….
BROWN ENVELOPE IS ZION OFFERING HELPS OTHER ZIONS??? OK?
NOW MOST OF THE TIME I WOULD GIVE MINIMUM $10.00 and as much as $20.00
Now lets say that only 100,000 members give this Amount $10.00 that is
1,000,000.00 ONE MILLION DOLLARS collected in one SABBATH for BROWN ENVELOPE..NOW
4 SABBATHS A MONTH THAT NOW IS $4,000,000.000 four MILLION DOLLARS ok NOW NEXT…
THE TITHE
Well lets say KIDS don’t work so lets use 100,000 members That work
Average pay in USA is HIGHER than other Areas so i WILL not USE A LARGE AMOUNT
100,000 MEMBERS GIVE $50.00 FIFTY DOLLARS HOW MUCH IS THAT????
5,000,000 FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ON ONE SABBATH ,WELL EACH MONTH HAS 4 SABBATHS
4 TIMES 5,000,000.00 EQUALS 20,000,000.00 TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS
NOW LETS ADD
SO THIS IS WHAT I CAME UP WITH AN I COULD BE OFF BUT THAT IS WHY I DID NOT USE THE
2,000,000 MILLION MEMBERS
BLUE 6 MILLION
BROWN 4 MILLION
TITHE 20 MILLION
ADDS UP TO 30 MILLION
NOW I KNOW PLEASE DONT GET MAD
THIS IS VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS USED
YES THERE IS RENT AND MORTGAGES AND PHONE AND INTERNET WATER POWER ETC..
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THE FEAST WHERE IT SAYS DEUT. 16VS16
AND OFFERINGS ARE GIVEN THEN ALSO
YOU GIVE ACCORDING TO THE WAY THE LORD YOUR GOD HAS BLESSED YOU .
NO SOME OF YOU DONT KNOW THAT MANY CHURCHES THAT WERE PURCHASED NORMALLY GET PAID OFF
IN 15 YEARS .. THEN NO MORE MORTGAGE PAYMENT AND YES THIS CAN BE A LARGE NUMBER
SO THIS IS PART OF MY 2 CENTS
AND BY THE WAY I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY MEMBERS WHO GAVE OFFERINGS
OF $10.00 TO $50.00 A SABBATH
AND TITHE OF OVER $400.00 A SABBATH THESE WERE INDIVIDUALS NOT GROUPS
SO THAT IS ALL
I want to raise a question. Is tithe God’s regulation that should be or shouldn’t be practice in the New covenant? We should, right? Then, Is it a secular material or holy offering? It is a holy offering right? Then why do you treat holy offerings like it is a secular material? Why do you treat offering with contempt? You Phinehas of this age! If thru members faith seen thru their offerings accumulated this amount, what is it to you? Are you jealous? And do you consider the meals of gospel workers everyday? Do you still insist that gospel workers pay for their food everyday? I pity this site. All sources are not credible.
Don’t you gods word to decieve and cheat people, Jesus said I love mercy more than sacrifice, tithe iso one of them, Jesus said give willinglyrics, not under compulsion. Stop cheating and twisting gods word, in the old testament it was not money but food. You robbers, wicked, robbing the innocent and poor people, wait for the punishment, it is on its way.
I know of single men who are wage earners, making less than $60,000 per year that gave at least $15,000 of their take home pay to the church in one year. Yes, Joseph, your estimate of giving is waaaaay under what the average person gives. I know of two minimum wage earners, married, who gave several thousand last year of their take home pay. They have got to be living in abject poverty to do that. I also know of a guy who was living in his car, lost several jobs, but then continued to live in his car even after he got another job so that he could give money to the church. Does the church leadership care? No, not a bit. They say, “It’s their choice.” Right. It’s their choice to give everything they have and more or they are told they will not make it to heaven, and they believe that. What kind of choice is that? Unfortunately, they are being exploited for the promise of a final reward that will never come.
I used a humble amount because I wanted to be fair
I know how much members gave because the ones who gave gave from the Heart.
When you read my reply I Only calculated monthly now multiply x 12 months that’s 360,000,000.
For those I will spell it out
THREE HUNDRED SIXTY MILLION A YEAR.
Well, it’s for your own blessing.
You will know the result of your deeds in the very last day.
You will probably know sooner because most people do figure out that this is a scam to take your money, time, and talents for the use of the leaders of the Wmscog. They are really angry and devastated when they do. I think the depression they experience is profound. I hope my son makes it through all of this when he sees what he has done and that it was all for nothing.
He hasn’t been blessed. I think the last 7 1/2 years have been the most miserable of his life. Where are all the blessings? I see loss of relationships, loss of finances, loss of career track, and health problems to boot. Yet he has to smile and act happy at the church even when he doesn’t feel that way.
Yes, I know you are trying to be fair, and it is very hard to estimate without more information. It really is impossible at this time to know how much is given. All I know is that from the many many people I know who were former members or who are still members, I believe that your estimate, even though it is in the hundreds of millions per year, is way under what the take from the Wms actually is. If the take averaged only $200-$300 per month from all members (That is way under what I hear they give, even the poorest) and they have only half the membership they claim, they would still make half a billion per month. Per month. As opposed to $360,000,000 per year, which is also an outrageous amount for something that is so obviously a scam, in my opinion. All that money while their members undergo financial hardship in most cases, and life and career path derailment in many. And what did they donate to Haiti for a photo op? There is a picture of Joo Cheol Kim handing over a check for $100,000. Ok, but that is only to satisfy their members and recruit others. If they have multi millions and claim they use it for natural disasters, why give what amounts to a pittance of their take to Haitians, who underwent the most monumental of natural disasters of the decade? The answer is simple: they gain plausible deniability in the eyes of those who don’t question how the finances are being used.
We still to pray for you in order God continue to do a miracles of his church. Amen.God bless.
I will pray for you too, Alexandre. I know that the members of the Wms are mostly good people who simply have been completely deceived by this group, and this could happen to anyone who is vulnerable. It is unfortunate, but most eventually see the lies and leave the Wms. I just hope that it is in time before too much of their lives are wasted there.
March (3) + 7 months = October (10) new moon fell on October 7th. Which is the tub month 191st day. They held it in October 8th which is still wrong but not by a full lunar month. Seems they got the Passover wrong in 2015 as well. Should have been April 2nd not 3rd. 393rd should have been unleavened bread and then that Sunday would have been resurrection for Christ will rise again in 3 days not 2 days.
Which is the 7th month 1st day. Thanks autocorrect
Theological ignorant and exploitation for one’s self glorification is at work. The Bible was a Canonical book; there were many books existed after the death of Jesus. Constantine organized the council of Nicea to pick and choose books that should be included in the Bible today (Divinity Vs. Humanity, or Grace Vs. good deeds). The entire Judea-Christian tradition also (B.C period) has rooted with Sumerian culture, and that is another debate issue. The Moon organization had rooted from N.Korea with the same claim of revelation and interpretation of the Bible to suit their agenda of Korean version of the Bible that concluded Mr.& Mrs. Moon as True parents of mankind. Now, we have a “Heavenly mother”? Just wondering if these two were connected back to early days of N.Korea that many claimed themselves divine of super special as dictator Kim?
The pattern of religious cult: Overwhelm with love and attention during initial contact and hooking a victim with certain logic (e.g people are basic good, but the world is bad/ Society is greater cause than individual….Jesus said to leave thy parents to follow him!…). The next stage is indoctrination through various means to replace victim’s individual identity with group identity. All done, victims are their minions (followers/ members with rank).
You can seek God without middleman, and God speaks universal language- not Korean.
Wake up minions before too late. If you want to go to heaven, please take heaven with you; for you are creating heaven or hell everyday. MAY THE FORCE (GOODNESS) Be WITH YOU.
Wow Kayla. If you are in medical school you probably didn’t have time to really read everything on this site. If you did, you would see that there are all kinds of credible resources, and the information is more than legitimate. These are real people testifying to what has happened to their lives as a result of their, or their loved ones involvement with the Wms. Facts, Kayla. There are sources citing court cases, there are tax exemption forms where the Wms was less than honest, there are people who have sustained real damage in their lives from their association with this group. In light of all that, people here have been incredibly respectful. And I can testify that they were also incredibly helpful.
Alexandre – Friend, WAKE UP. You came here for a reason…probably because of some questions. Questioninf the obvious doesnt mean you lack faith..its a basic honest component if normalcy.
@Kayla: I agree with T.H.: Most of the people in the Wms are very nice people who just don’t know they are being manipulated and exploited. Please do check out this site completely and find out what is really happening within the walls of “Zion.” It may be the most important thing you ever do.
My Son has been in this cult for five years now and my heart breaks every day…….
I just want to say that your son was surely thinking of you and want you to be saved. If there’s something wrong in the WMSCOG then your son will not stay there for that long. I’m a member of the church but all of the assertions through media about the church of God is actually not true. please listen to the truth, God will never be pleased if you will just going to listen to the off base accusation in media about our church.
My Son can’t even pay his bills due to tithing which he says is between him and God so therefore he can’t explain to the church why he can’t tithe, he does it anyway even though his bills suffer and his credit is getting wrecked. Most of you are good people who are being deceived so that your deceptive leaders (not good people) can reap financial rewards for their own personal gain. The church has a way of putting fear into you in a way that takes you away from your family on holidays, etc. You are told not to listen to your family because we are the ones that don’t know. They know what they are doing. I am basing my opinion off of my own observations not the media. I feel sorry for you that you are in this church. It would be one thing if they weren’t taking everyone’s money but they do for several things: tithes/offerings/special events/etc. Take care and may God be with you.
April, with all do respect, its not the media portrayal of things, its what happens that is fact. I will commend you because you have approached this with way more humility than other members, but the things I have witnessed, my 4years a member, were alarming. I initially after leaving, tried to just move on, but as I told my story (Racial comments from a leader, rudeness, ostracizing members and on and on) I was labeled “Slanderer”, and “Your saying bad things against God”. You can’t be a slanderer when stating testimony, or your story. Ive even told members that they often inaccurately use the term by definition, and I would get the same response. If members say (like you) that THEIR experience has been good…Im ok with that. But when there is a blind eye turned and then the finger is pointed towards concerned EX members, its a problem.
I was there for eight years. I believed the “truth” as explained by the cult but I started having problems when prophecies were being manipulated and the cult began openly lying and calling it a test or prophecy.
And said that it never predicted the end would come in 2012 but we went to see mother in Korea she told us not to make any long term plans because the end would be come soon. All of these were lies! god cannot live there because god does not lie. But mother lies all the time! And if the end is really coming why are they gathering all this money?
It took me eight years before I left, and still others after a decade. My family was very patient and never said I told you so after I came out. Hang in there there’s plenty of people to talk to on the forum who understand exactly what you’re going through.
Rent – paid by members own special contributions
Utilities – paid by members own contributions
Events – paid for by members own contributions
Food – paid for by members own contributions
Furniture – paid for by members own contributions
Cleaning supplies – paid for by members own contributions
Other goods – paid for by members own contributions
Tithes and offerings are NOT used for what is above. Everything I mentioned is a separate contribution. Former member now bankrupt and trying to get my career back and go back to school…since I had to quit due to too much time invested. Seriously – in order to be a gospel worker you are needed 7 days a week. Any less then something is spiritually wrong or you have an idol in your heart.
Sorry to hear that John. We also spent alot of money towards thus cult. I’ve watched members in labor, what a contractor could charge hundreds of thousands of dollars.
can you explain me something.. if ahnsahnghong wrote (that he never wrote it but lets suppose he did it) that the world end in 1988 then why he also wrote about the 2012?think about. its meaningless.whats the point to explain about 2012 and the 168 days ( if world ended in 1988) thats mean that he knew that the world would exist for sure
I’m sure that the WMS would have some kind of answer. For people who are not under the control of the WMS the “answer” would seem seriously flawed. Why would we not be able to see their “truth”? The answer for that would be something like, “The truth is not in them so they do not know the truth when they hear it.” The story that they might give, whoever would listen, probably would be something about one event being a shadow and the other one being a reality.
i think no one is under the control of anything. everyone makes his decisions and is responsible for them.church of god doest point anyone with a gun to believe… everyone is believe to his god but the point is to find the perfect truth. thats why i asked this question just to know but doesnt seem to know anyone to answer.
moreover where Ahnsahnghong wrote that the world will end in 40 years. nowhere
Ahnsahnghong never wrote this. you people just believe what others say without any evidence…so this kind of people are under the control of others….
But Ahn wrote many statements contradictory to what WMS teaches. Although they don’t point a gun, they are so highly suggestive that their tactics work.
Having a family member that was under this groups influence I CAN speak from a position of authority about the control that is placed over members! If you choose not to listen that is your failure not ours. Ahns teachings include timetables for Jesus return which includes timeframes such as 1967. Just like the failings of the early SDA movement, Ahn failed at his prediction for Jesus return. The Bible teaches that this is proof of a false prophet but once again, if you choose not to hear this it’s your failure not ours!
You chose to speak things like this: you people just believe what others say without any evidenceâŠso this kind of people are under the control of othersâŠ.
I don’t know how deep you are into this but you’re not the first one to come at us like this. You seek “perfect truth” amoung men. Once again, your failure not ours. If you have any evidence that we have not been able to punch holes in both Biblically and factually not to mention historically and statistically I would love for you to produce it. Please spend a great amount of time viewing what is shared in this website. If you really are seeking for truth you WILL find out in short order that the WMS does NOT have it! You have an opportunity here. What you choose to do with it is totally up to you. Don’t blow it!
If God had really substituted veils with long hair on women, why would short-haired women not wear veils? If long hair was truly a substitute for veils, why would Apostle Paul tell women to cut or shave off their hair.
1 Corinthians 11:6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
Someone once asked a member,”If your head has to be covered, then couldn’t we just wear anything, like maybe a hat? Where does it say in the Bible that it has to be a veil?” No answer.
The Wms has them all wear white lace veils of the same size, and that is the only thing they can wear. Why? What difference does it make?
16″For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten SON, that whoever believes in HIM shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17″For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through HIM.âŠ
Thank you for the useful information!
Please give me a piece of advice what is the best way to let them know that I don’t want to proceed on their meetings and lessons anymore? I have had about 10 or even more lessons, and last weekend they invited me to their “church”. I want to be kind and polite to them, at least for the time they spent with me giving their lessons. So, as I want to quit this, what should I do to be sure they won’t persist with proselytizing in future?
Thanks you in advance!
Let them know very clearly that you don’t believe in what they have been sharing with you. Tell them that you don’t want them to contact you or come around you anymore. I know this seems harsh but it really is the way you need to be in order to get them to understand.
T.H. is right..they are agressive and you MUST take an aggressive stance towards leaving. Tell then you don’t belive the doctrine and NOT to contact you anymore. Tell them also not to show up to your home or job.
One thing I have found is it does state in the old testament that before the end of days Jesus must return as the prophet Elijah. Its funny cause its in the footnotes in the King James Bible. When you research who Elijah was it describes him well and gives tons of information of his purpose.
@tim!!!! Bulllllll loney!!!!
I remember when I was the studies first it appeared that they were teaching that they both got married.
I reference the heavenly wedding banquet study
1. Took place at a wedding hall
2. Blue and red candles
3 . Dressed in wedding clothing (they show a picture)
I now reference the extra videos (I think it’s either mothers great sacrifice or fathers sacrifice or both)
1. The show Father and Mothrr together preaching to a farmer couple
2. They show how mother had to heat up the house to make it comfortable for members
3. The WMSCOG shows them together in almost every group photo.
Then the WMSCOG back tracks and says they were not in the same zion. That father and Mother were in different cities.
I’d also like to mention that back in 2012 a deacon mentioned “yes, it’s true ahnsahnghong and zahng Gil-jah were not married physically – but spiritually they were. Does that somehow not make them God?”
The point here is that up to 2012 (from what I learned and other members learned is that their teachings with both directly and also indirectly indicating the two were physically married and that they lived together and did not have a family.
Also the point here that I’m making is that I honestly do not care if God had a family or not. Jesus did and I still believe in Jesus. The point I’m trying to make is that the WMSCOG uses such deceptive teaching and recruiting tactics and that’s one of the reasons why I left the church. honestly it’s like a house of mirrors with the WMSCOG. You don’t know what’s real or not.
So i left this church and i feel so lost. I feel like spiritually i have no where to go someone please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samantha, please take some time. Part of what you’re feeling right now is part of the programming from a control group. The more time you spend away the less lost and confused you will feel. If you had a church family that was supportive before I would suggest that you go there and try and get a feel for if they are welcoming or not. It’s going to be hard and confusing at first. All of the stuff you have been studying are going to conflict at times with what you hear now. While you were still involved with the WMS you were taught how to believe, what to believe, and how to disconnect from people that didn’t share the same views. It’s a lot to overcome but God blesses the overcomer. (Your going to have to read those verses again with open eyes and in the context that it is written in.) Please keep posting here. It will help you to open up about your experiences with people that understand where you’re coming from. Not many people will understand what you went through or how you got involved but we do.
only God can help you Samantha, you knew that đ thanks to Father and Mother, they allow you to discover the WMSOG to help you. Please think wise Samantha and go back to the truth establish by Father Christ Ahnsahnghong.
But why are you on this site when i remeber very clearly that sisters were not allowed to google anything about the church because satan controled the internet…. appearently webistes like these are eating out of the knowledge of good and evil and according to mother we should refrain from the internet because it dangerous and can blind you from the “truth” yet here you are on this site…. so im kinda confused as to why you would go against mothers words or deacons/ deaconess order… akwward moment….
I think you misunderstood what Mother what to tell us. there’s a reason why you must not open the sites but there are reasons that you must open the sites.
and you remember very clearly the message but still here you are, you still open this site without knowing the reasons.
God is calling you! Come back into Mother’s arms! <3
So funny members such as yourself come on here and leave a vague short message and then disappear. Whenever I ask a tough question or ask them to explain or actually think about something they disappear and NEVER answer.
I hope some, at least, think about the question that I present and eventually look for an answer. You will discover a lot on your own if you use the critical thinking skills the wms tries so hard to remove from your head.
I’m crying as we speak because before I found you guys I really felt alone. No one understands the pain I’m going through because they didn’t experience WMSCOG. My sister tells me to get over it but I can’t because the church really has had such a negative impact. Im always paranoid and feel like the world is ending today. I’m scared to go to other churches because of the fear the church has put in my heart. I don’t understand m. My reality rrreally feels like a nightmare and at one point I remember the sisters said they wanted to just die soon because they wanted to go to heaven. And soon I was thinking that way really hating the world and the Gentiles who not “Chosen”. How long did it take to get over the constant fear?. Does anyone ever wonder why we had to go through this? Because i wish I never ever went. who is Satan if the pope isn’t and is Jesus going to Come again to seek and save the lost? These are questions I always ask myself. I’m so thankful to have you guys even if I don’t know you. I was in the “truth” for a year and everything that could possibly go wrong has when I was baptized. I do not wish this experience to anyone
Samantha it did take some time. First please understand, Your feelings are normal because yourr coming out of their way of thinking. When I first came out, I was having anxiety, I was worrying if members were going to come to my house etc. Its mind control. When a woman leaves her mentally abusive spouse, he has drilled in her mind, “You’ll be nothing without me”. So when he/she leaves she thinks can’t make it. Just know you’ll be fine! Your going to survive. They have lied to exmembers.
My mom recommended that I see a therapist after coming out of the cult and it helped tremendously. I was diagnosed with severe depression and a a form of PTSD, it wasn’t easy initially but this forum did go a long way to help, there’s also YouTube videos from former members you can watch. Even though I’m still not 100% but it does get better with time. I was there for eight years.
that is because you betray God Azula
No. WMS lies. WMS deceives its members.
@ Anonymous MXM!
is that “feeling” of yours is true? i wonder who control you!
Samantha, the purpose of this site is to attack God’s coming in the flesh. Nowhere in this site tells you that Sabbath is wrong, Passover is wrong, 7 Feasts are wrong. All the prophecies that we have studied, all the regulations of the new covenant are flawless. After coming to this site, please ask yourself what is the purpose of this site. Is it to kill or to save? After slandering Father and Mother, do these people in this site teach you the way to salvation? Do they teach you to keep the new covenant? No right. They lead you to confusion and dont tell you where to go because all of these people are those who practicr lawlessness. Please get back on your senses
MY wife has been with this church for 5 years. And that 5 years is like hell to me as a husband. To me, worshiping to God makes you a better person day by day. For 5 years my wife’s attitude did not become better. She became worst. She spends most of the time in the church and neglects her responsibilities for her family – like physically taking care of the kids and spending quality time with his spouse. She escapes whenever I forbid her. Not only that she is always in her church the whole Saturday from 9AM to 11PM, she takes the children with her, trapping them in a room in their church for hours. Last night, she brought the kids to her church because it was their passover celebration. She took the kids from the house at 530PM and the service was done at 9PM. The kids has not had any food to eat. My 5 year old son was so hungry when we arrived at home and my 1 year old daughter feel asleep of exhaustion. I scolded her about it and she was just quiet as if she doesn’t know about what is wrong in the picture. And today, she is bringing again the kids. I have had enough of her already. At home, on Sundays, if she is not easily irritated with small stuff, I always catch her spaced out and talking to herself. One time, she took my 5 year old boy to bath and poured hot shower on his face. The boy was screaming and she was like “Devil! Please get out of my sons body and continued saying abuji…abuji..”
I don’t often suggest this but you might want to get the authorities involved. There is abuse happening here. If she was just going herself that would be one thing but your children are being forced into an obviously adverse situation and her actions are also physically damaging. You need to reach out for help with this situation. You have obviously been tolerate in this situation. Asking for help is no refection your strength or resolve. Time for further action to help your family.
I agree, this is not the way God would have a family behave. We teach our children the love of God, and the innocence shines through them. Hot water is alarming. Please continue to document any weird behaviors, and I would advise that you explain to your wife that church is not a healthy place for the children if they are not tended to properly. My kids were always in a classroom during services ( No more than 2 hours) snacks were provided, and a suitable adult to supervise.
You have the right to step in and protect your children. Obviously you love your wife very much, I pray that you can come to some mutual agreement to keep the children safe, and tended to at all times.
Watching our spouse change can be painful, but please don’t allow it to destroy the love and admiration you have. If it is not healthy, then you need to make some tough choices.
I’m sorry to hear about your tragic story. Would you be interested in doing a phone interview concerning your experience with this cult?
Hi Samantha , you are not alone many of suffered many losses in our life , but God must have a plan as why we ended up there and we should be thankful and get some good out of it , I was there almost since the beginning
I want to reach out to any of you that I could somehow help.
I know the feeling now begin the time of God’s festivals and we want to obey him , honor
Him let us all pray to him and ask for guidance that he will lead us to the right place where we won’t question things because we will know that we are in the right place .
Let us rejoice and give all thanks to the Almighty Christ JESUS
Hahahaha this is funny. That just shows they have no evidence that ahnsahnghong is wrong lol . I don’t go to that church but this website has no prove that it’s wrong lol
Acts 5:38-39 there for leave there men alone if their purpose is of human origin it will fail but if it is from God you will not be able to stop them you will only fine youselves fighting against God.
Somethings in the bible, are pointing at the specific story they are aligned to. Lets remember that.
Unreal you expect people to believe your SATANIC LIES….THIS IS ALSO A WAY FOR SATAN TO KEEP HIS FOLLOWERS FROM HIS ZION,He uses INTERNET,LIES,PEOPLE YES EVEN CHILDREN…..And here is a prime example,a man who has nothing better to do then to spread HATE and LIES ABOUT a CHURCH that is ONLY TRYING TO RESTABLISH THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST,AND TO KEEP THE PASSOVER/FEASTS AND SABBATH….Not to FOLLOW IN PAGAN AND MAN WAYS OR TEACHINGS……..LIKE CONSTATINES LAW!!!AND JUST FYI ……JESUS GETS A NEW NAME AND ITS IN THE BIBLE……OPEN AND READ ITS NOT HARD AND ASIA IS ALSO IN THERE AS WELL AS HEAVENLY MOTHER…YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SAVE YOURSELF!! COME TO ZION!!!
Kelly I was in the WMS since 1998 and there are no lies hear. If the church was honest and true then there would be no one to point the finger. but the WMS leaders are leaving a trail of destruction behind them as a result of there there activities. just because it has not happened to you does not mean its not true.
As a MATTER OF FACT….HEAVENLY MOTHER DOES INCLUDE WMSCOG IN THE WE LOVE YOU CAMPIEGHN,HER SLOGAN IS USED IN ALL ZIONS ACROSS THE WORLD, SO STOP SPREADING LIES,GO LOOK AT SOME REAL MEMBER VIDEOS,ALL THE VOLUBTEERING WE DO AND WE WERE JUST AWARDED BY THE PRESIDENT FOR,WHAT DO YOU DO,BESIDES SPREADING BLASPHEMY AND HATE….NOTHING CONTINUE DOING SATANS BIDDING!!!!!!
Just a clarification. Wms was awarded the “Presidents medal of service”. Obama didnt hand it to you. The medal requires a bunch of Community Service and a 4$ registration fee. Facts. Nobody is “making up lies”. And Zhang never references anything abouy Wms in WeLuvU. Plus, God using a company, to gain praise is clearly deceptive.
1. Because the members are doing the work, NOT her. Therefore she is not being praised.
2. Hiding behind a company, again is well….Deceptive.
Have an open, unbiased and thinking mind. If this weren’t a problem for you, then why did you come here to this site? Ask yourself honestly. You know there are loopholes. You’ve probably been told conflicting stories in the church, like I was. Im not necessarily even saying “Leave”, but when we learn to stop ignoring the signs that are around us, we can make a better judgement.
Kelly, could you tell us how Satan uses children to keep his followers from his Zion?
@Kelly Desvoyault: Often after I ask a simple question the Wms member disappears as you have. It is really too bad because I think while printing out your answer you might see how really ridiculous it is. This church teaches that anything or anyone who keeps you from “Zion” is an agent of Satan. Therefore, if a little child cries or asks their member parent to stay home on a Saturday and play with him/her, then the member looks at that child as “Satan.” That is really horrible, really an awful thing to put into the head of a parent as they look at their child. I have heard of a young wife begging her husband not to leave, and the Wms member called her “Satan.” I am going to have to assume that this is the same way the church wants members to look at their children as well. Is this true? If not, then how is it different in your eyes, Kelly?
May God help you Tim. I look forward to know about trail unfold .
It’s almost 4 years…!! Once, i would like to go back 2012, Those who believes and go in WMSCOG had prophecy about the end of world by fire, earth quack eg. Once, i was in street waiting bus to go church but i caught off By the member of WMSCOG and they started me to preach about (Fig tree, Passover, Bride and Ahnsanghong) as well as the end of the world in 2012.
last day of 2011 i have visited one of the member of WMSCOG who preached me about the end of the world, while i met her, she was in deep sleep; i awake her talk about the day of end; see how she was trying to hide those prophecy by talking other things about her, her family eg. It was the last day of 2011. When the day and night ends of 2011 there was no earth quake, no any matter happening i caught her and slapped where is the earth quake, fire? She started to cry..
so, dear ones those still misinterpret Bible and believes Aansanhong pleas do remember what you have prophesied. Be assure, what you will be in Heaven or not?
Yes Kai Ting I do know. my gf was more or less raised in this religion and her family asked me to learn about it so I did and I am appalled. I’ve done online research as well as sit don with church members to hear what they say and it makes sense when they speak but only because the build bridges with words that aren’t there. they are VERY slick with their speech and they are good at leading you somewhere without you knowing. when I asked a bunch of these questions two days ago, feelings elevated and they would barely let me speak. bottom line is: questions are welcome unless you know what you’re talking about.
I amazed when people are arg
uing by their thoughts. bible says donot judge till the lord comes.
No it says that the same measure that you use to judge will be used to judge you. I invite this! The Lord will judge when he returns but it’s not to keep us from making judgments in the meantime. We are to test everything to see if it is of God or not. This is how most of us here know that the WMS is NOT of God.
There is no page 337 in the mystery of God.
Truth of the matter is all of your churches are false you do not keep the sabbath holy as it is commanded by God but worship on Sunday the day if Baal
Thanks for the useless comment! Read the Bible will ya!?!
It’s so sad that you have been fooled into thinking that there is one true Church? Where in the bible does it say that? As far as I have seen, the whole denominational discrimination thing is something Paul expressly taught against.
The bible doesn’t teach salvation through one true church, it teaches salvation through One True Jesus Christ. And as long as you’re stuck in the teachings of the wmscog, you will never see that.
Think about it, for cryin out loud – why would Jesus Have to come and die if salvation was just about following the old testament laws? Even if you say lets keep the sabbath in truth and in spirit, you’re still implying that there was really nothing wrong with the old law – people just had to keep it better… that is ridiculous. The law is there to show us how imperfect we are and how much we need Jesus to come die for us on the Cross.
Being lawless is being outside of Jesus Christ, which where you are right now.
You will delete my comments again but truth is you follow mans laws of “lords day” sunday worship Baals day of worship set by the papacy and you all know it. Where in the bible does it state that he will change the day and time only satan will. Matthew 1:19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.Here is a verse to justify,divorce. where us your verse for not obeying sabbath and keeping it holy
Sam, I don’t get you!?! You want to quote the Bible as a way of justifying divorce? It says right there “Joseph, being just a man” it doesn’t say God told Joseph to divorce! More to the point, as you read further joseph DID NOT DIVORCE because God sent an angel to Joseph instructing him not to. This verse justifies divorce? Obviously not!
Deuteronomy 24
24 If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, 2 and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, 3 and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, 4 then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.
Let us completely avoid the main case in point as well. God’s law of keeping Sabbath holy. Sunday worship is baals day of worship.
Titus 3:9 âș
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
God bless you
But you came here to start a “silly” debate, with mute points that prove nothing. So, can you justify the failed 2012 Prophecy that I was told? Ps…please don’t tell me, “some misunderstood the prophecy”. Can you disprove Ahn saying in his own book that “Heavenly Mother” is not a person? Im waiting….
Sam, what does one topic have to do with the other? You have Sabbath and divorce mixed in here as if you’re talking about the same thing. ??? Jesus IS the Lord of the Sabbath! Do you have some version of the Bible that tell you something different? After Jesus rose from the grave HE set the example of His followers coming together on Sundays. Again, does your version of the Bible tell you something different? I’m going to follow Jesus example! You can keep worshipping on Saturday (Which is the day of worshipping the god of Saturn!). Geez, at least the sun represents light, an awakening, the start of a new day, a rebirth,… What does your worship of the god of Saturn represent? So much for your main case! As many of my friends would say, Pathetic!
I wouldn’t go as far as to say the forth commandment is , pathetic hold on their
No I didn’t come on this forum for debate but, insight and
No I didn’t come on this forum for debate but, insight and..
Well because, you may not see but look how they relate. I must divorce myself from this church she holds baal in her heart,.
The sabbath was the old covenant correct? The hidden manna. the new covenant is through Jesus the bread of heaven is it not? Through passover. I would ask this then wwjd hmmm…Go preach in the temple on sabbath or on the day of His enemy baal. Hold passover as His very last feast in remembrance of Him, or celebrate the birth of His enemy baal dec25 hmm…? One key that many will not see is this. Both verses say unto them remembrance. Remember the Sabbath keep it Holy, take this bread in remembrance of me. Lest we forget
Matthew 19:16, Jesus was asked what must be done to inherit eternal life. His answer: âIf you want to enter into life, keep the commandmentsâ
Read the story of Hosea and talk to me about this again.
Hosea 4:6King James Version (KJV)
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:17 âș
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone!
Sam, I have a question for you. In regards to feast dates, did you know the wmscog celebrated the passover in the wrong month this year? The 14th day of Nisan didn’t arrive until April 22, 2016. What does it mean to you and do you see the path in the wmscog may not be leading to salvation?
Yes I was aware that they kept feast twice this year. Are you aware all your set times are through catholicism and are you aware the very defintion of catholic is “broad” ,path are they leading. (Dec25 Baals birth, vestal virgins,sunday baals day of worship, the cross if tammuz as an idol, headress of priest) Yes I am quite aware of these paths.
I believe first coming christ was born in the beginning of summer, near or at the day of Penecost. I do not follow Dec 25. The set times I follow are written in the bible.
Who made this say? GOD
Who gives us breath? GOD
Who is the Alph and Omega? GOD
WE are free to worship God any day, because God made this day.
Dear Abhishek brother… just think about… we are not ur enemy. we love to clear ur doubts.. but first of all ask your self if you go at the time of Jesus. jesus teach you with the old testament about him. could you believe that this person (Jesus) is really GOD.
and brother u talking about Jerusalem mother and want to know her. your question is good. but please meet the any member of WMSCOG and ask him about this.
when you understanding the basic knowledge and basic commandments of god. you can easily understand the hole bible. keep calm.
Opps..! sorry. its not for you Abhishek brother.. by mistake i mention you name. Well its for those who doesn’t believe on WMSCOG.
@GODisonlyONE.. yes your question is right. but tell me do you believe that JESUS is god….? if Yes.. then i just wanna tell you that jesus also said that god send him. He is the son of god. but on the other way according trinity Jahoa=jesus=Holy Spirit. trinity is equal then why jesus use that word. son of God even he is god himself.
But in Romans, it clearly states that he will not die again. It doesnt say, or even translate to, “die to sin again”. Jesus ascended, in the flesh according to the bible. The bible does not testifiy of hom coming again ad WMS claims. I can’t really understand your sentence, but the lies that Wms spew are piled high. We were told so many contradictory things at the church over 4 1/2 years.
Did Jesus bost about him self open wide to be God?
No.But that also doesnt make Ahn, God. So lets switch it up;
Did Jesus marry a woman, have 4 kids, then “marry” another woman?
Did Jesus Publish a book making points toward there being no God after him?
Did Jesus fail at any End of the World prophecy?
Marybelle. You can stay in that church ALL you want. One thing as a former member I realized is this; Many members have issue with the lies, inconsistencies and the going ons in WMS. Due to the fact that they WANT an experience as close to being accurate as possible, they stay. I have had many conversations with other members when I was a member. The holes in the logic are there.
As a matter of fact Jesus DID openly claim to be God. This is why He was put to death. Reading the Bible is very enlightening about this! Members of the WMSCOG might want to try this.
I can’t help but feel the aches in everyone’s hearts who are being affected by this so called church..My brother and younger sister are involved and it countinously drives a barrier between are family. They literally will spend every moment in that church and if they dare not show up or miss a day a so called brother or sister from that church is knocking at their door, this has happend multiple times in my witness.I am nervous for the safety of my nieces and nephews as they do sit in a down stairs so called nursery or class ALL DAY! And are forced to stay awake during service..My sister and I were in a grocery store where three women were pretending to shop and approached us at 9pm and told us to go back to their church to study! And believe me they were not taking no for an answer they will stock you! It has taking many tears and arguments to make my siblings understand that Jesus Christ is the only son of God that I will ever praise!.. Please I need help I fear things are escalating I feel these people are plotting something , it’s so secretive I’ve found out only certain members can watch certain videos that show supposable end of time footage needless to say they prey in Korean and nobody’s Korean their :/
Yolanda, I just read your post and am so sorry to hear of your struggles. How are things going with ou now?
Yes you’re right he did rise Resurrection day (easter sunday) the bible says? Because the bible did say Istar sunday right? Just like the bible says his birthday is dec25 right? We are both looking at the Holy Bible right? you’re quite right. Was that every Sunday or the Sunday after Passover? Look close for it is a parable here as all our savours doings are. He didn’t come to abolish the laws but to fulfill (his words) or your friends words? If you see Him (Lord of Sabbath) reaping in the field on Sabbath it was (his day) to gather his wheat (followers). Lord of Sabbath not of sunday that is Ba’al. But your friends are right continue to follow them. I am pathetic,.As like he explained to the jews that fallen away from God’s law and stook by mans (their friends ) traditions.
You speak everything right yet you do not understand. You said it right there, sunday day of light (1st day/alpha) rebirth. Lord of Sabbath (passover/omega) not lord of sunday. Prophecy. His parable of gathering the wheat in field/ David eating the bread of heaven on Sabbath.
Sam, your acceptance of this groups way of interpreting the scriptures is unacceptable. Show me where Jesus taught His followers about a god the mother or re-inspect the scriptures without the influence of the WMSCOG and discover what is really being said. This scripture twisting has got to stop! Do this or condemn yourself with your own lack of Godly wisdom. Sorry if this seems harsh but you need to take the WMSCOG blinders off.
Hi Thanks all
even my family cousins got into this cult.we are indians and protestants from 6 generations luthrens. they are spreading their false teaching here too.Three question i ask. if zhanggiljha is their almighty why she uses hearing aids and cant speak any other language than korean. second what new knowledge or testament these both got to teach this world. third religion never has recession or market fall. it thrives in it, every nook n corner we have sadhus,swamis.mullas. n end time pastors.But the voice of the lord jesus Christ we follow. wish sometime jesus christ had given us sword like the cult of mohammmed. But he said REVENGE is HIS
Hi,
I am Prabha from India.My sister came across some one from WMSCOG in college, she became a believer there, systematically everything in my house changed, my parents changed, few of my relatives changed… even I am badly forced to change… but I still want to stand firm for the Lord. I am hated by my own family. Please help me with some evidences and material to bring them back to the Lord. Please.
Let the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus rise.Amen.
Ughhh I dislike finding out later when people are RIGHT…..and Iam not however shamed to come say 1)I’m sorry for my Comment…2) Found out only thing that MATTERS TO WMSCOG Is NUMBERS BARING FRUITS and Numbers in $$$ I gave my very LAST $10 a single mom struggling and left a bad SITUATION,did Fundraisers Sick all in the name God I asked my Zion please would you mind helping me HOLD A G.SALE They told me to go to Welfare and the Food Bank…lol wow in shock and disbelief I left that Church as I gave Away all my bottles,f old and Money to help others it was no recieves well when A Sister was in need and sadly I walked away Jesus would never do that ……Zhang poor woman Led astray too so please don’t condemn her,she like me,Like Most are Mislead….only HEAVENLY MOTHER N FATHER WE HAVE IS MARY N JESUS….once again O do Apologize to ANYONE AFFECTED BY WMSCOG I’ve been Deprogramming myself since ……
Thanks for coming back here to comment Kelly. It seems like you found out early what the Wmscog is really about. Your last comment in April sounded as though you were adamant that people critical of the church were liars. What made you come here and comment in April, if I may ask? Were you instructed to, or did you come out of curiosity? How did you hear of this site?
I am happy that you found out about this group early and that you have freedom now. Good luck to you, and to anyone else who finds their way out.
Correction to the page cited about tithing in the book “My Sheep Listen to my Voice”, its page 151, not 297.
You use Creation to argue your point but when you read the end of each day it says there was evening then morning showing God did all His creation work during the daylight! Even Jesus said are there not 12 hours of sunlight? It is at night when a man stumbles. If you read Matthew27v46 in the KJV,ASV and ESV Bibles ut says Jesus gave up His Spirit at the 9th hour. Other versions say 3 in the afternoon. If what you’re saying is correct it should say He died at the 21st hour being 6 o clock is considered dusk. To understand correctly the Law of Christ changed all of the worship regulations beginning with the beginning of the day. This is why our Sabbath begins on Saturday not Friday evening.
Why does mother make children keep 5am service for feasts? Is that in the bible. It’s unfair children have to suffer like that. They are so exhausted on schooldays during the feast.
This article disregards baptism in the name of the holy spirit Matt 28:19. Also; what about Revelation 3:12?. Salvation is found in no other name than Jesus. But that doesn’t mean that the trinity does not exist. It also doesn’t mean Isaiah 43 is lying when talking of the Father Jehovah and salvation coming from him.? In fact both are true. According to the age each name is revealed. To the glory of the former. If they are all 3 truly one and the same God over all.
I like you attitude Kevin. You seem understanding. You are a member and you are able to talk to us. Members and ex-members are not perfect when commenting on this site. Some have gone to the extreme. I understand if you believe the teachings from the korean zion’s, you’ll also go out and defend it. If we can continue to talk that is great.
I have a question for you, are the leaders of your church looking to make peace between all of us ex-members and them?
The 3 ages the Korean zions teach is an interpretation. Personally, I’ve been finding a lot of errors in the teachings.
For example, Jesus in Rev 5:7 takes the scroll from Him who is seated on the throne. Jesus takes the scroll from God. As Jesus once said “my God and your God.” Also he is described as “a Lamb looking as if it had been slain.” There only one Lamb, and that is Jesus who died on the (roman) cross. Therefore the point I’m making is this is not Ahn. I don’t believe he is Father, nor is he the one who took the scroll from God. Ahn was not slain, he wasn’t the passover lamb. Also, Jesus taking the scroll happens before disasters overtake the earth. It can’t be Ahn.
Let me correct myself, it would have happened since the the earth began to be conquered until the disasters overtake the earth.
It’s the Saturday workship chruch
I went time to the chruch
He started the msg
After songs directly asking about 10% amount
Interesting research. Did you also look into how the Church of God received The highes award in England? It’s quite interesting.
Awards dont prove anything…even the satan masquerades as an angel of light…2 cor 11:14
Thanks for the information about this organization .Hope they can read about what’s going on with their future and with their families . God is real and they are a bunch of liers.
Just for the I am beliving her
I have a doubt why she had married two time this not fair
I can’t believe that. There are many rumours on Christ, like Jesus is married with Mary Magdalene. Do they believe that? Its not fair.
I was a member for a couple of months in South Africa and I tell you this message is the furthest thing from the Gospel of truth which is the Good news in Christ Jesus. I was so conflicted and felt like I had to earn my way into heaven with all these old rituals and spending the entire day at church bible studying. They try and wear you down with all of these teachings and bait you with the basics of Christianity then twist it all and then bring on their revelations! At first glance it appears to make sense, but there are so many inconsistencies and once you start asking questions it’s the devil working in you. The leaders wanted to ship me off to Korea to meet mother but first I had to fill in a form with all my hobbies and likes and names of parents and other personal information, so that there would be some sort of revelation once I met her, she would know me and what I liked. There was an issue at one of the Universities where they had been banned and when I asked about it, it was hushed and no proper answer was given.(mind you they didn’t know I knew they had been kicked out) I just asked why they were no longer going there. To make a long story short I was still conflicted after so many inconsistencies and one night in tears prayed to God to reveal the truth to me. I sat on my bed with my bible and asked God to please show me the truth. God reveled his truth in the most miraculous way by me opening the bible to Jeremiah 7 which is titled “False Religion is Worthless” and even more direct paragraph 18 makes reference to a Heavenly Queen which the people were praising which angered God! What a powerful revelation straight from God, he heard my cries.
I urge everyone like the bible says to test the spirit. What I learnt out of the whole experience is study your bible, don’t just believe what anybody tells you.
God is faithful, we are righteous through faith in Jesus Christ who came to set us right with God and if we focus on him and his free gift of grace, as all fall short of the glory of God we will be saved.
Jesus is the realisation of our faith and the truth the way and the life, and he has borne all our sins and paid the price for our sins. That is why he will be praised and exalted forever and we should never forget the cross.
The devil will even twist the words of God and use it to confuse you.
I was so fearful of eternal condemnation and the world ending, and felt like I was being worn out and could not attain everlasting life through my works. God does not give us a spirit of fear, yet that is what I felt. Fear and guilt.
You are set free through Christ, how wonderful to know what a friend we have in Jesus and that we are nolonger under the law which brings death, but under Jesus who forfilled the law in his holiness. Through one man came all sin and through another came complete restoration, redemption and reconciliation with God.
I will continue to pray for anybody who feels confused and conflicted that God in his infinite mercy and perfect timing will reveal The Truth.
Amen
very interesting to read and understand the facts of people’s life. If we read BIBLE and study and meditate will never fail in the cults. Let us read and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Pray for lost brothers and sisters…
Sam listen to Godly me who have been in the faith for a long time. You are in danger of blashfiefing the Holy Spirit get away and repent and ask for forgiveness These men are trying to help you get away from a dangerous cult.
You do not believe in keeping feast. What is your point? Your “knowledge” is in error greatly. People who are led astray by this post lack biblical knowledge. But this is your job, to sit behind a computer and try to hinder the gospel work which will NEVER happen vastly. Little by little weak souls tremble at your insults but the WMSCOG continues to grow.
Nate, you believe the WMSCOG is growing? Obviously you don’t understand Gods Word very well if you are still in this group. Let me clue you in on something that is obvious to real followers of God, in the end times there will be a great falling away from the things of God. If your group is growing it’s not because of a great following of God! You are partaking in the great falling away and being mislead into worship of strange doctrines and false gods. You still have the opportunity to come out of the trappings of the WMSCOG and their man made doctrines and misleading’s. I hope you will but at the very least you can no longer claim before God Almighty that you didn’t know the truth.
Your argument is called an “ad hominem”.. Nowhere did you attack the argument. This is very telling. Also, he was not using Wiki as his main source. He used other sources as well. When explaining how the Jewish calendar is different from the Gregorian calendar, the admin advised to look at the Wikipedia explanation of it.
Also, wiki is never a good / valid source.
all of you
did you know about the new covenant of God ?
did you establish the new covenant ?
Jesus established the New Covenant and yes, He has made it very open to all people. How did you get trapped into this strange doctrine that Gods Word warns us of?
This is what it says in the BIBLE ACTS 4;12
There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.”
What a great testimony. It is honest and causes one to reflect at how we as Christians need to make the message plain. I encourage this girl to just trust in God and know that the Lord is not the author of confusion. I had never heard of this church until tonight when I saw a store front church and talked to a member. When she shared a few doctrines, they seemed a bit flaky to me. I know it is easy to get confused and takes years to study Scripture but my advice us always to take a trusted friend to places like this and study Scripture to test what us true. I am older though so not easily swayed.
wow!
I got baptized in this false church called WMSCOG and after being baptized I felt soooo guilty because they didn’t really answer my questions. When I started attending this church on saturdays and doing bible studies I felt like I was in jail because they would tell me that it will only take 30 min and it ended up taking like 5hours. The other thing is, they never got to hear what I have to say, they were right and I was wrong always. Now, everything they showed me looked true, but deep inside I couldn’t accept their teachings, new christ and that korean woman that they worship. this was because the way they taught the bible was by taking parts of the bible and connecting them to make everything seem true and follow. For “God the Mother” there is hardly not evidence to prove that what so ever. However, as time went by, is like the members of the church couldn’t let me breath, they wanted me to study all the time and be in church, they texted me all the time to know what I was doing. I tried to explain to them that I am a college student and I need to get my work done, but it seemed like they were not happy when I said that, they kind ignored it. When I spoke to some members of the church, most of them don’t work or don’t to school anymore because they were taught that the world is about to end and this church is the only thing that going to save them. I was also taught the world is about to end the whole time I was there, which nobody on this earth know when as the bible explains. well, I left this church because I believe that Jesus Christ the one who died for my sins saves! I also believe that he conquered death so we can have internal life and he will never die again, but Ash died long time. It’s very hard to convince the members of the church the truth because they are taught to never listen to anyone as soon as they join because that is satan trying to win your soul. This is the biggest problem that is installed in the members of the church. I also realized that some of the members of church attends but inside they have a lot of questions. This church also have subjects of each topic that the members of the church or only aloud to teach. The members of the church don’t really know most of the bible teachings they only teach what they are taught by doing practices on how to deceive people. I never felt God in this church, which is why I left. Anyway, there is so much in this church to talk about that I personally saw and experienced , I can write forever. I am not trying to discourage anyone but my final words would be for those who are attending this church to also open their ayes and study the bible for themselves to know the truth for themselves because the missionary’s are going to give you more doctrines to make more confused.
Woah. they say that we shall only rely to the bible alone, but you said that they have other doctrines other than bible. They are really lying robots.
This is exactly what people must do. Study for themselves, not with people standing over themselves telling them what to think. My son said, and I quote,”They aren’t telling me what to think.” I said, “Of course they are. You didn’t think of some Korean woman being God before they told you to think that.” Really, would anyone just come up with that by themselves? And of course, they have told him everything to do and to think ever since.
Is there any prophecy in the bible which indicates that millions of people will go and see Jesus’ tomb? If there is none, why would people do when He came again? Just a thought.
Father did say that all will be tested at His Second Coming. This post does not discredit Father and Mother but only rants about being lied to by such and such. But what if all of this happened to test your faith? Think about it seriously, whether you were told that Father and Mother was married in the first place or it was not told, does it discredit all the prophecies you had studied about the Spirit and the bride? Or because of “being lied to-excuse” made you fall? Maybe your faithwas not established on the rock when the waves of trials come to you and you are now swept away by the waves(water=people). Even now, Father’s words in “green book” are being fulfilled. Amazing our Father Ahnsahnghong is!
Will this post of mine be deleted or be transferred to another page by the admin? I really hope it would not. Pretty please? :> because my aim is to let others know or re-examine – what if it happened according to the will of God? This website does not attack all the Feasts of the New Covenant that Father restored. This website only attack God’s coming in the flesh but never the truths He restored. Because how can they attack it? It is flawless. Poor Jewish leaders of this age! You are also fulfilling the prophecies of the Bible without your notice.
And btw im just curious, all of you who attack WMS, what kind of truths do you keep? All of you who left Father and Mother, what kind of worship/feast do you keep?
We are aware that we are fulfilling Bible prophecies. What we have done is shed light on false teachings, doctrines, and gods of the creation of the WMSCOG. Ahn cannot be God and it has been proven. Because Ahn is NOT God then the fairy tail of your god revealing hidden truth falls apart. God did not reveal a supposed god the mother so your man made created god the mother isn’t based in truth. Flawless??? You have a pretty lame definition of flawless! I know this reply puts you on edge but I hope you can open your blind eyes and discover the real truth before it’s too late. You’ve been spoon fed a lie and now you are doing just like Ahn did and you’re repeating it because you think it’s the truth. Please do some research . The TRUTH will lead you out of this group. I hope sooner rather than later. May God guide your path.
Here’s what discredits Ahn as being God. Would God worship false gods and/or teachings outside of the Bible? Ahn did for around thirty years! Prior to following his own mother into the Seventh Day Adventist group Ahn was a Buddhist. No chance that God would be subject to something like that much less do it for around thirty years. Would God join a group that was created by a false prophet whos teachings sometimes contradict the Bible? Would God repeat those teachings to others? The answers are NO and NO. Ahn did both of these things for years. Ahn even continued many of the SDA’s teachings after he created his own church! There is NO chance what-so-ever that Ahn was God. The final proof comes in the fact that Ahn died. There is no place in the Bible, without taking it EXTREAMLY out of context, where it says that Jesus Christ will die again! This idea has been tested and it has failed! Ahn did not even suggest that he could be God. He suggested that he was Elijah reborn.
Yes what every they have mentioned is happened to me and my children’s but Almighty God Jesus only have to help them and our family. My wife also has the same attitude, behaviour, abusive to children. My faith on Jesus Christ will show them a lesson if very few days this is for sure
Sounds like a big crock of shit to me
I agree, banks, and I don’t think most people with a loved one in the wmscog tells them they are going to burn in hell. However, that is most definitely what the member has told them. Also that they can’t trust them, and that they don’t know anything.
Trying to talk to them about the Bible is useless. I am no Bible scholar, but even those I know who are could not talk any sense into them. You can’t talk scriptures with people who are trained not to listen to you. In fact, they will shut you out very quickly if you try to talk to them about the Bible or quote scriptures to them. They all think they know better. It’s sad, but the arrogance and persecution come from the teachings of the wmscog. It would all be very simple if we could just use the word of God, as you say, and then that’s enough evidence that you aren’t talking down to them. It most definitely isn’t to them.
So far I’ve seen that nothing works except an intervention or the time comes when even THEY can’t believe the B.S. they are spewing anymore. And interventions don’t always work either. I think after they are in a certain amount of time, you lose that window of opportunity, too.
I also love some people in the wmscog. I don’t say everyone because I don’t know everyone, and I don’t love the leaders. It’s just a sad chapter in my life I wish was over, and it may never be because there is too much money involved in scamming members,and the leaders want to bleed them dry, in my opinion.
hypocrites, you all still do not know.everything is happening like at the time of Jesus. Judgement is delayed because of you all.. poisoning the mind of all people..
Judgement is being delayed? How did we supposedly FORCE God to delay His judgement? This is NOT even possible! Even more, wouldn’t the poisoning of peoples minds by all of us outsiders make God want to judge us for our wrongdoings? ggegegegege please wake up and look at what you are being told. Things don’t add up!
No ggegegegege, everything is NOT happening like at the time of Jesus. For one major thing, Jesus performed miracles. Ahnsahnghong didn’t, and the “Mother” doesn’t either. And those who follow the Bible don’t just follow anyone that others say is Jesus. The Bible warned us about that. It says there will be many false prophets. Unfortunately, the Wms members don’t know they are being deceived by false prophets. And by Koreans who want their money and laugh at them for being so easily fooled into giving it all. I wish it wasn’t so, but it is.
I’m praying for the true and living God to comfort all of you from the hurt that this cult has caused you. I am an evangelical minister and I too was approached by 4 people in this cult today at Wal-Mart in Houston, TX. They asked me if they could have my number so that they could have Bible study with me and invite me to church. I immediately felt the unction of the Holy Spirit and told me it was a cult. I told the ladies that I could take their number and after I speak to the Holy Spirit and research their organization, I may give her a call. They looked puzzled and relectantantly agreed to wait on my call. So I researched and saw what the cult REALLY believes and I knew they were planning to eventually tell me that the founder’s wife is really the Holy Spirit. I used to belong to a cult 4 years ago so I knew it was demonic teaching. God bless you for sharing your comments and experiences to enlighten us all and to warn others. Thank you.
Hi,
I am arvind from India.My brother came across some one from WMSCOG in college, he became a believer there, I and my family is badly forced to change⊠but we still want to stand firm for the Lord. Please help me with some evidences and material to bring them back to the Lord. Please.
Let the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus rise.Amen.
im sorry …we are going to heaven soon while you are still looking at physical aspects
kkkkkkkkkkk im so sorry for your bisaed information,,,,, you dont even know anything yet you claim to know….. come to WMSCOG and receive eternal life , we love you though you fight against GOD the time is near,,,you qwill see for yourself on judgement day,,,,, repent your sins now
Once again no proof only regurgitation of the WMS propaganda. So sad!
I am the mother of our 18 year old son who was “Baptized” into this church about a month ago. I hardly recognize him anymore. He won’t listen to everyday music, no T.V., and when we discuss scripture and the Bible, he begins to tremble and shake. He has tried numerous times to get me. When I agreed to go to his church I was told I would first have to meet and be approved by “Leo” his Pastor. Big RED FLAG there. I refused to be screened so I haven’t gone. I am terribly worried about him. He is/was a very good, too kind, gullible young man who is usually very intelligent, but this church is running him ragged and for some reason he loves it. He is enrolled in college and is almost finishing a program in which he can attain his high school diploma and attain college credits at the same time. Now he is considering dropping school for the love of God and church. I am worried sick, and I mean that literally. I suffer with Fibromyalgia and Shingles. I’m sure that he must now think that I suffer for past and present sins. Both conditions are aggravated by stress and I am having a real hard time with them since my son became a member of this church. I don’t know where to turn for help. Does anyone have any suggestions? Where do I start to try and deprogram him. He fights snow storms and commutes on public transportation to and from his church, which is at least 30 miles from home. They take up all of his time. We really need advice, please help.
Oh my goodness her story closely parallel ours concerned Ning our daughter. If there is anyone out there that could help two grieving parentsover her involvement with this group. Please please contact us.
I am here to set the record straight. I was told by the missionary at my current Zion, that the world could not go past 2012.
This was taught to me as prophecy in the year 2010 until 2012.
After 2012 passed they had all of us go to a meeting in Chicago Zion,
where we were “educated” that Father AhnSahngHong never said the world would end in 2012.
Here is my issue. If Father never said it, WHY did a Deacon, a Deaconess and the Missionary ALL say things over and over
throughout those years that “IMPLIED” that the world would end “VERY SOON” as if it could not go past 2012?
I even received a text message from a Deacon in the year 2010 or 2011, that instructed me to go and “prepare” water, food, and other supplies for World War 3!
I only had a flip phone (dumb phone) not a smart phone. so I don’t have a screen shot, but if I can find my old phone, I will
definitely take a screen shot with my newer phone, to prove the truth that various title holding members, DID teach me a prophecy that the world had
end on OR before 2012.
Also, the Missionary even preached a SERMON on the Sabbath, around March 2012 (or a 3rd day) in the which he said, in his Korean accent VERBATIM:
“Even if Father comes late and late, do you think He will come December 31?”
I have been having major disagreements with this church for a while now, and was ALMOST given an ultimatum to leave, because I have started to study the Bible for myself now, without just BELIEVING whatever PHILOSOPHY they have INDOCTRINATED me with.
I actually was hoping they were NOT LIARS, but it seems that the TRUTH has come to light whether they or I want it to or not.
What should I do? I know one thing. I should NOT cover up lies. What to do?
Sorry, I wanted to post directly to this article, not just reply to someone else.
Also, It was so evident that 2012 was a REAL teaching in this church, that other members from other Zions told me similar stories about buying extra water, food, and supplies to prepare for 2012.
If AhnSahngHong did NOT teach the 2012 end of the world lie, His so-called members / prophets should not have lied to me as well as others.
One brother and I even tried to rationalize the 2012 prophecy in early 2013 by questioning whether Father meant that the world had to end in the actual solar calendar year 2012, or if it could mean the SACRED calendar year 2012 which did not end until March (spring) of 2013!
Obviously, that time is now long past as well.
At the very least, I now doubt whether the things they have taught me about AhnSahngHong are true or not, since I never met him in person. It is sad and wrong!
Lee, I’m glad to see that the real truth is becoming obvious to you. It is far better when a member chooses to leave the WMS instead of being kicked out and told not to return. Point of fact is that you have been abused by this group! It’s understandable that you would have liked for the WMS to be the truth and it is also understandable that you would try to find justification to try and make it so. It is a natural instinct. Please don’t feel bad about it. Now is the time that you need to discover life outside of the lies of the WMS. I would encourage you to put aside all of the books and teachings of the WMS for now. I would also encourage you to go out and buy yourself a new Bible preferably one with multiple translations in it. (Mine has four in one.) Many of the things you have been taught have been mistranslated. Most of the time this happens I have found that the offending group is using the NIV. The NIV is the version that the WMS uses! Find a Bible that will give you a bigger picture of what the Bible means. I hope I have encouraged you in some way. please visit the forum and PM some of the people there as many of them are willing to talk and help if they can.
T.H., Thank you. I agree with you about how groups use the NIV to twist and mistranslate scripture. I was asked (instructed) to get an NIV when I came to WMSCOG, even though I was fluent and comfortable with the KJV Bible.
What hurts the most is that they have removed failed prophecies from their books which they claim were written by God Himself.
How can a true church subtract words from such an important book?
It is not easy separating myself, but I am now studying the Bible without their biased influence.
Thanks again for your advice.
Hi Continuous. So happy you found your way out of the Wms. Enjoy your freedom, and I am also happy you continue to read your Bible without their influence. I want to join T.H. in inviting you to join the forum part of this site. I would like to contact you if possible, even if just to send you a private message.
words can’t explain what I am going through, my relationship is broken because of this. nothing works, doesn’t matter how much you explain or try to motivate them to get out from this cult. I’m so depressed about this and I don’t know what to do. I do love her but the same time nothing is working. I am so happy to find this forum!
Jacob, go to the forum and post there. You will make many contacts who can provide support. I am very sorry for what you have gone through. It sounds like the typical experience non members have when trying to get their loved ones to see how manipulative and destructive this group is.
I am on a quest for the Truth as I have recently become a member of the WMSCOG but am starting to question the belief that Christ Ahnsahnghong is God. Do you mind listing every place in the scriptures it talks about How to Recognize 2nd Coming. I would like to discuss it privately to the lady who introduced me to her church. She believes it with all her heart which is why I even talked to her in the first place, but if these things are true, then I have no option but to leave and inform certain members that they are on the wrong path.
Anonymous, right above your post here, listed as number 3 under “Related Posts” will give you all kinds of information that you asked for.
Honestly, just knowing that they are saying God is a Korean woman walking around now as we speak in Korea is God should be enough to make you RUN not walk away from this “church.” As you said, you really do have no option but to leave and inform the members they are mistaken to believe these teachings. But don’t expect them to actually hear what you are saying. They are under mind control, and they are not going to want to hear that they have been wasting their time.
I’m just glad I’m out of that church. It was actually cool, the first time I came, until oneday we were singing hymns and the hymn was like “Aangsahng our father”, and the day I found out Mother is some lady in Korea. My friends are also lost. Now they think every church is false except Zion. Btw I’m from South Africa.
I have a daughter who has joined recently, she has totally changed, I have no idea what to do, it is so sad to see her like this it breaks my heart,I have no idea what to do anymore, she is learning arabiac because they want her to go to Egypt to preach. She is only 19 years, is there any ex members out there in South Africa(Cape Town)please that I can contact. We are constantly fighting and she is drifting apart.
My boyfriend has been completely brainwashed. A week ago he was approached by a member of wmscog and invited to a bible study that night. They baptized him that same night. We date long distance during the school year because we are in college still. He come home on the weekends to see me and his family. He’s always been so loving and such a good family guy. We are christian, grew in Christian schools. He’s been going to those bible studies for a week now. He’s already quit football and is distanced himself so much in just these few days. I have spoken with him over the phone and he sounds like a robot. It’s completely heart breaking how someone you love and care about just seems to be gone. His family is heartbroken about all of this. We miss him so much and just want him to come back to reality. Although when we speak he sounds tired and not happy at all. He got lured into thinking he was joining the church of God. Like a Christian denomination. He has such a God heart after God but he has been deceived and says he is convinced this is the only way to eternal life. I don’t know what to do anymore. This is the hardest thing I have ever had to face.. it’s like he’s gone. I need help. Someone please help me.
What studies have they done with him already? The Sabbath is Saturday? The beast is the Pope or the Catholic church? Both of these studies are heavily flawed. Get him to do some research outside of this group! He’s going to discover that they lied to him! If he’s not too far in then this should bring him out. He also needs to discover that Ahn was a Buddhist prior to becoming a Seventh Day Adventist. Would God ever worship a false god? Absolutely Not!
They have done all of those. He still keeps daily contact with me . Calls me everyday and talks to his family. The first week he was short to communicate with us but now he’s back to normal on how he communicates with me. I’m wondering if they will soon tell him to cut all communication with us. Although he did inform me that he is going to stay in that city to keep attending that church. He wants to stay together and has also promised not to try in converting me to this religion.. he has been very respectful about not pushing on me. Which I’m just curious if this is normal behavior for someone involved in this? I will try and talk him into doing some research outside of the group.
I’m trying to keep contact with him and be as loving as possible. His family as well. Trying to be his friend and keep that trust between us. I will talk to him about doing some research out side the group. Hopefully I can get him to see the truth!
I hope you have lots of success with this. Do some prep work yourself as well. A lot of these teachings come directly from the Seventh Day Adventist group. The whole Roman Catholic Empire thing is riddled with flaws. Why would anyone misquote facts if they were not trying to manipulate somehow. Show him that this group has everything to gain from manipulating him while at the same time you don’t have anything to gain except knowing that he is no longer being manipulated. Keep loving him and keep the communication flowing.
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Hefzyba, what you are doing is good. Your boyfriend is not in too far, so you have a good chance to talk to him now. This time is crucial. Be assured, even though he is not trying to convert you now, he will in the future. They (the leaders) will insist on that eventually. Their thinking changes because of the demands on their time and the only influence they have is that of the church/members/leaders.
What I see happening as their membership goes on, is a lot of mid directed anger. The members profess to be so happy, but they are not at all after the initial honeymoon period. They can’t show their unhappiness or anger at church or to leaders or members, so they take it back to their families. Even those who marry other devout members seem to have an underlying unhappiness and anger issues. They can’t attribute it to the church, so they misdirect it to their mates. It’s very sad. I hope your boyfriend won’t try to misdirect his anger to you, but I would be on the lookout and be prepared to deal with it in the best way possible.
Help me!
I am visiting Korea this summer and I was approached by a lady at a crosswalk while I was walking through Gangnam to find K-pop entertainment buildings, and let’s just say I let her bring me to her “Zion” because I was lowkey board. They started explaining the Bible to me from a new prospective and I a bit awestruck. Then they started telling me about Jesus having already returned.
Then they told me that I needed to be baptized in Christ “new name”. And like an idiot I let them. I regret it so much.
I’m only 19 and I’m here in Korea alone which I think made me seem like an easy target. But, little did they know that even though I may seem young and naive I have a pretty deep relationship with the ONE and only TRUE GOD. After the baptism I was still praying in Jesus Christ name because I didn’t know I was supposed to be praying in Ahnsonghong and heavenly mother’s names. But I prayed for God to open my heart and eyes to the truth that day. I continued to pray after that day this prayer for about the last 2 weeks because honestly I felt really confused so I kept asking God for wisdom. And God came through this past Tuesday. It was after the 3rd day service that I was curious and wanted to know more so I simply googled the church because I was aware that they had a website. I was going to read about my next “lesson” and I ended up reading their whole wikipage and Ahnsonghong’s wikipage. That’s when I realized that I was being brainwashed and lied to. The fact that this “church” even dares to go against the teachings of the one who they believe is the 2nd coming of Christ.
I feel absolute disgust towards the fact that they were really trying to brainwash me, and I was unaware but I was allowing it to happen. But I truly believe that Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, so there is no need for a 3rd day service to cleanse ourselves of our sins.Also we are saved by grace, which is a free gift so all this community service is nice but it doesn’t get us to heaven. But boy, they really be trying to recruit people. I’m from the US. I can read Korean but I understand very little. So during services they would give me a device with an earpiece so that I could have a live translation of the sermon while I am sitting in the pew. There would be a member in a room during the services speaking into a speaker interpreting the Korean so that I could understand it.
But anyway I need advice for how to get out of my current situation? I just can’t believe that I was almost pulled away from God to worship a false God. I never remembered their prayer of wishes anyways. But I refuse to pray in false Gods names. I literally broke into tears after I realized what was happening to me. I feel so uncomfortable there now.
This looks like a DOS & Brute force attack …
Well in South Africa these guys seem to be growing fast. I don’t know how I was not deceived by them. I was sitting in their church, the day after their passover this year, I don’t even know how allowed then to baptize me. They got me . Anyway As we were singing their hymns, their hymn was like “ahn sahng hong our father”. I ignored it cause I thought it was like father in a sense that he found church, and I also saw an old lady in one of their pictures (you can see she’s leading them somehow in the picture, if you don’t know who mother is) . Later that day my friend was talking about the passover, and said “luckily mother allowed the second passover. I have to get my whole family here, otherwise they won’t be saved.”. That’s when I connected the dots, and immediately knew he talking about the old lady. I went to do research when I got to my flat later that day, on simple things like elohim. It’s funny cause even false Gods they use elohim in the Bible translated from Hebrew. Also the lords prayer, “Says our father”. When you show them the evidence, they end confusing you with scriptures. These guys can get you if you don’t double check. My friend is in deep. He doesn’t double check, cause they warned us not to. So he’s still in there.
That is the biggest thing they have going for them. They are able to spoon feed someone their spin and call it the “truth”. The new convert is so confused and overwhelmed they don’t know who to trust. This group tells them things like, “You’ve been lied to by other churches for your entire life! Don’t even talk to those deceivers. They are followers of lies and the father of lies is Satan! All of the other churches are following Satan.” Then they continue to tell them that they love them and that mother loves them blah, blah, blah. If people would simply do some research prior to committing to this group they would save themselves and their loved ones a lot of grief and torment. I’m glad you had enough sense to look at these things for yourself without allowing them to just spoon feed you everything they wanted you to believe. Well done.
I am currently in this church and can not believe what I am hearing. When I first got baptized, I heard the words Christ Ahnsahnhong and knew right away that I was about to be stuck in a cult. I don’t know why I agreed to join in the first place, but I soon started to believe everything they said and now I don’t know how to get out. I tell my parents everytime that the wmscog are worshipping false christs; but they never seem to listen and just ingore it. They are not in the church themselves’ but I am scared that I would be stuck with them forever,I also am having financial struggles and desperately want to get out.
If anyone can help me, I would appreciate some advice đ
Read some New Testimate my guy !!! Your ” disproving evidence” is just a full display of your biblical ignorance. You clearly don’t know the difference between the law of Moses and the law of Christ. When Jesus ate the Passover in Marks upper room he established a New covenant that gives life through this his flesh and blood making the covenant entrusted to Moses on mount Sinai obsolete. Read the book of luke since you say “everything’s taken out of context” read the book of Hebrews also, so you can know that Christ had to come a second time not to judge the world but to bring salvation but how can we have salvation if we can’t eat his flesh and blood which is said to give us eternal life? Historical proof shows the Passover that Jesus established was abolished (325AD council of Nica )Which is why Christ came a second time. To bring back the Passover of the new covenant along with the 6 other feast. Not the feasts the physical Israelites or Jews practice, those are pointless in this genertion. No other church has the Passover of the new covenant that gives everlasting life and the 6 feast the Jesus Christ established. Except the church of god , spiritual mount Zion. Read Hebrew for sure. One question I have thought. If you say the seven thruders aren’t commands from god, then what do you say they are? Where is your perfect explanation? Oh wait you don’t have one because all you have is opinionated based hate, not factual evedidnce in the Bible !
You are not the first one to come here and say this kind of stuff. You are trying to act as if you have some kind of authority or somehow you have obtained hidden knowledge. I’ll bet that sounds familiar, “Hidden Knowledge”. This is one of the major signs that you are in a control group! Here’s something else that proves you are in a control group, “Historical proof shows the Passover that Jesus established was abolished (325AD council of Nica )” your words. There is NO historical proof that the Passover was abolished! All you have is what this group has told you is proof. It is obvious, like so many before you, that you have not done any research on this. You have taken what you have been told and are regurgitating it to us. If you had done any research you would have discovered that this group has lied to you! They continue to lie to you, and the father of lies is Satan which is what they follow! How’s that for a perfect explanation!?! Factual evidence? Yes, I agree that you need some and I don’t say that out of hate or opinion. How about the six other feast you talk about? The ones that were supposedly written on the back of the tablets which the ten commandments were written on? You’ve already stated that Jesus sacrifice and New Covenant made the Law of Moses obsolete. That includes those supposed feast! Do you really need to be entrapped by these practices to feel like you have the truth? I don’t hate, I feel sorry for you. Sorry if you felt that your paragraph above was some kind of proof. There is so much more that you need to discover before you know the “TRUTH”. You can do it and I hope that you do. Research everything that you have been taught so far and most importantly do your research away from their influence! They have many years of manipulation practice and are very well versed in how to twist things to make them appear right. Just a hint for you, if what they tell you, share with you, and/or teach you makes you feel confused it’s probably your conscience telling you it’s wrong! God gave you that defense mechanism! Don’t ignore it! Good luck.
Hmm, when one says Christ abolished Moses covenant/law, its kind of a misleading statement without exposition. Christ still wants us to follow the Commandments, which include observation of Passover, (something that instills God as absolute authority over your life, above earthly things or other religious ideas, or if you’d like to call them demons) it’s like reconfirming your faith, Passover. But Christ still followed the 10 commandments, he just uses a different priesthood of faith, as opposed to the levitical priesthood that the Jews still try to follow. Following the feasts have meaning in both priesthoods, and well the original Church of God did follow them, since it was still created from prior followers of levitical priesthood, and the feasts all transition over properly to New Covenant. Shadow and Reality is agreed upon by most christian denominations. So far, the only real problem with WMSCOG is what they currently believe about Ahnsonghong and what the concept of Mother God really means to them. As I was taught, New Jerusalem is what they consider Mother God, as Jerusalem gets married to Christ at the end of Revelation. Inside the church there are plaques called “teachings of Mother” but noone has tried to explain what that is, or tried to tell me there is some physical person that represents mother as Ahnsonghong represents second coming Christ. I don’t understand why they would call Ahnsonghong father in their Hymnals and prayers when Paul never referred to Jesus as Father. I’m still picking their brains to see if I truly see the truth in everything, but so far what they do on the community level is very tame and has basis in the bible/is consistent with the teachings of Ahnsonghong that Ive been taught so far.
It seems obvious that you have not been as they say blessed with their hidden knowledge. In the forum there is a topic that talks about what really happened at Jesus last Passover. It is a wonderful beautiful story that the WMSCOG does not embrace. It doesn’t match up with their theory of god the mother. So far I imagine that you have been taken all over the Bible to select verses to support what they want you to believe. This is very dangerous and the best advice that anyone can give you at this point is to get out right away! This also is addressed by the WMSCOG early on when they tell you that others are going to try and take the “truth” away from you or try to tempt you away from the “truth”. This is a control mechanism! Don’t fall for it! You need to research for yourself, away from this groups influence, what is right. What really is the “Truth”! Their god the father, god the mother idea falls apart every way that they describe it. The forum has a lot of information about that as well. The topic is, “There’s no possible way there’s a god the mother”. Get away from this groups influence. Do your own research. Learn the truth and never look back!
Hi all and to T.H, I have read all of your comments, both negative and positive about this group – WMSCOG. There are some Zions in Hanoi and around Vietnam, for sure. I personally have a sense of CHAOS within the Earth, among nations and the Judgement Day before one of the followers talks to me in the Banking Academy campus.
I have been baptized on Friday, 11 of August, 2017. in 9PM to be exact. And after I attended their ceremony (I think it is the Sabbath Rest), I told my mother that I want to buy a Bible to study. However, my mom refused to let me buy that book, and she also told me that, my family worship our ancestors and grandfather/mother, in short, I am a Buddist. I want to leave this group, but they wont let me go and they keep telling me to keep faith in the Heavenly Mother and Father, the Sabbath (like in Tuesday and Saturday) and things about Ahn Sahng-hong and Zhang Gil-Jah. I have known about the name Ahn Sahng-hong just right after the baptism (I haven’t read anything in the Bible yet).
Please, T.H, and others who knows the truth about this, please tell me how to leave this group.
Hello Lee MIB, as you called me out directly I feel that I must reply. Over the years that I have witnessed this group there have been very few times that violence has happened. I would not worry about that possibility too much. As for these people who claim that they will not let you go it’s really not up to them! You are the one with the authority to decide if you are going to stay or go. I would encourage you to make a very distinct declaration that you do not believe in what they are teaching and that you would like them to leave you alone! It is very unfortunate that your parents don’t want you purchase a Bible. There are many contradictions that are made between the Bible and what the WMSCOG teaches. The biggest contradiction is that the Bible teaches that there is ONE TRUE GOD while the WMSCOG twists scripture to try and make it seem like there are two gods. I’m glad that you feel the confusion inside of you over this. In some of my other studies I have discovered that when something is really confusing and doesn’t seem to measure up it’s usually a sign of something very bad. I might even go so far as to say evil. Many people become desensitized to this feeling over time and even get convinced that if things being said conflict with what they are saying then that is what is bad. Lee, please take this one piece of advice from me right now, cut off all ties with this group and if they come looking for you tell them straight up that you don’t believe what they believe and that you want to be left alone.
plz consult expert and tried leave this group as soon as possible
Hi all, I have read all of your comments, both negative and positive about this group â WMSCOG. There are some Zions in Hanoi and around Vietnam, for sure. I personally have a sense of CHAOS within the Earth, among nations and the Judgement Day before one of the followers talks to me in the Banking Academy campus.
I have been baptized on Friday, 11 of August, 2017. in 9PM to be exact. And after I attended their ceremony (I think it is the Sabbath Rest), I told my mother that I want to buy a Bible to study. However, my mom refused to let me buy that book, and she also told me that, my family worship our ancestors and grandfather/mother, in short, I am a Buddist. I want to leave this group, but they wont let me go and they keep telling me to keep faith in the Heavenly Mother and Father, the Sabbath (like in Tuesday and Saturday) and things about Ahn Sahng-hong and Zhang Gil-Jah. I have known about the name Ahn Sahng-hong just right after the baptism (I havenât read anything in the Bible yet).
Please, who knows the truth about this, please tell me how to leave this group.
Read the this book”problems with the new jerusalem the bride and womens veil”. And you will know
They actually do teach about all the nations under Rome its called Daniels revelation. Stop making stuff up. The 7th day is the sabbath of rest it’s clearly the 7th day. Just because they broke break on the first day does not make it holy. Where does it say “because you have broken bread with the churches on the first day god blessed and made it holy” ? IT DOSENT. Above you said the day of Pentecost was celebrated on the day after the sabbath, Sunday. The first day. So you basically admitted that the 7th day is the sabbath day you fool. If your insistence was correct they would have been celebrating Pentecost on The sabbath which you say is sunday. but they clearly celebrated Penticost the day after the sabbath dumb dumb. So 7th is the sabbath day. Honestly you need to do some history research. I research every topic and everything adds up if you look at factual dates and not writings That aren’t found in the Bible. You can’t even discern the 7th from 1st day in clear context. Why should anyone take spiritual advice from you
Well Truth, this is a very good regurgitation of the spoon fed teachings of the WMSCOG. It is very obvious that you have researched this topic that you have been taught within the influences of the group so that any information you’ve learned doesn’t conflict with what you’ve been taught to believe. Most of us here prefer to follow the example set by Jesus the Christ instead of some group that stole teachings from another group (SDA). Jesus is the Christ (even your group claims this) but the WMS decides to make a copy cat and worship him as Christ. The Bible teaches there is one God but the WMS makes up a whole other god for you to worship. As for your supposed rock solid teaching of the Sabbath being Saturday; Jesus said, “I am the Lord of the Sabbath.” Do you not believe the Bible? Is there any reason why you should not believe Jesus? After the resurrection Jesus established His Sabbath! We are no longer condemned by the curse of the Law. Your group is going backwards and trying to live under the Law which condemns us all to death. You are so busy worshipping the god of Saturn (Saturday) that you are missing out on the Son! Don’t come here with your feeble, pathetic, hole filled spoon fed teachings acting as if you are some kind of authority of others. You claim “Truth” at least in name. You really need to find the Truth before you come here with your judgment! Jesus set the example. You really need to seek truth from His example!
Hi – I have been going through this topic in my mind for almost a year now and I just can’t seem to get a response that truly makes sense to me supporting the current Christian Sunday stuff. I can agree that Constantine, while perhaps didn’t try to change the Sabbath, he did set the edict and one is left wondering if this could be a simple trick of the devil to set the church off just a little. But also correct there were many others before that were pushing a separate day to celebrate than the Jews – Ignatious is a perfect example – from his writings I find a vile hatred of Jews and feel as if his desire to push a Sunday instead of Sabbath was nothing more than racism. I think the context of these early church aspirations should absolutely be taken and viewed as if the words from them were fruit from a tree and is that fruit good or bad? Lastly for now – I get that the laws of Moses were fulfilled by Jesus so they need not be followed, but the Commandments of God? Likewise – I believe that the blood of Jesus covers us for sin (not following the commandments), but I also believe that we must repent, and does repenting also include changing our behavior – and not changing our behavior a big problem? To compare – if we decide to take another god before GOD are we not sinning? and if we CONTINUE to do this might that be a huge problem for entry into heaven. i get there is a lot of grey area in this dispute, but frankly I don’t see much actual serious discussion. This one here is awesome – but overall on the internet and at church this is hardly if ever even discussed. In a way it is almost like Santa Claus to me – something that has been engrained into the mind of society as being cute, not harmful, and good to follow, but holy cow – what are the unintended implications of lying to your children about the meaning of Christmas, or having them believe in a false character that pushes materialism, or a character that uses magic to accomplish things, I could go on, but I will leave with sending you all here a blessing and I hope to receive really good feedback as I am truly trying to find the truth here.
To Answer this.. Don’t you trust them? Who? You? or WMSCOG? If you and those commenting to ruin other’s reputation. then it’s a BIG YES. How can you tell that they manipulated other person? Does it seem ironic that it’s not the only church that has been established in this world? So, why are you pointing on them? Why can’t they read something like this? As for me, reading something so devastating and negative like this makes me a negative thinker and judgemental as well. I prefer knowing it on my own. Once i set it on my mind then that’s the time that I can tell whether it’s true or not. I was preached by this church as well so I think i understand why they are putting those regulations. For us humans, something new will always gives us a shock to the point that we’re going to doubt whether to accept or not. Once you accept it and find something like this makes one person confused. Especially if you don’t have your own sense of decision. Whether the church is true or not, it’s up to the member’s or other people to tell by themselves not by you and your posts. Remember it’s a Church, in the end only God can tell what is the true one. I repeat ONE. One and Only true Church. Not by a mere sinful human like me and just like you. If they believe in WMSCOG, let them be. If you don’t, just don’t judge. You’re making yourself just like a criticizer of the Early Church. Why are you digging so much? Do you have any grudge on that Church? XD
Lhei, I’m sorry but you really missed on your point here. Why are we focused on them? They are one of the groups that claim to be the only ones with the “truth”. It’s not that God has singled them out like the Children of Israel, no they have done it to themselves. With their Us vs Them mentality they invite this deserved mistrust. Not having a sense of direction doesn’t give a group like this the authority to give you one. it’s not the shock of something different but their insistence that you not research their claims or dispute their teachings that causes the problem. Christianity is something that you can easily research outside of the church and outside of the Bible. Everywhere you search there is evidence for Christianity. This group deserves the criticism they get and the destruction that they bring into peoples lives will keep folks like us fighting against them. Remember, this is NOT a church of the one true God. They have created their own gods and false doctrines to follow. Being a Christian is hard enough but groups like this twisting scriptures and jumping around the Bible looking for verses to support their own conclusions is just plain wrong! No wonder it’s confusing!
I hate zion members I am interest to buy this book no one is ready to give this book
So sad a lot of you says bad things about WMSCOG being cult, demonic or satanic. I am also baptized there. Unless you listen to what they say, you’ll know. You haven’t even tried listening yet you already judged. Just like when Jesus came down to this earth only 12 apostles remain and you’re saying you believe Jesus but not the second coming Christ? Have you guys read the parable about Melchizedek? It was the prophecy about the second coming Christ when apostle Paul sees the angel holding the scroll with the seven seals of the living GOD. Coming FROM THE FARTHEST OF THE EAST. This is why you guys are stuck in finding out the TRUTH. Because just like Jesus know, only few will believe. Only Christ AhnSahnHong returned the PASSOVER. No one else. Wanted to know more? You guys know or even read about the story of the FIG TREE? Jesus cursed the tree (ISRAEL) and said that if it bloomed again he will be just right by the doorstep. And it happened yet you don’t believe it was HIM again. When are you going to find him? At the Judgement day? Sorry, that’s too late for you guys, because you already proved that you don’t believe in HIM in his second coming. It’s so sad the you guys were indulged in this world and not saving your spirit đ
Coming FROM THE FARTHEST OF THE EAST?? The bible never told us that. As I recall the bible said “The coming of the Son of Man will be like lightning that can be seen from east to west”. Like a lightning. This does not mean he will come from the east which ya’ll assume is North Korea. Salvation is only found only in the name of Jesus Christ. I will not believe in the name of ang sang hong because the bible never told us that he is our saviour. This church want to destroy the name of Jesus.
The WMSCOG is the only true church. It is all based on facts and concrete evidence. If you actually read the Holy Bible you can see it. Our eyes and ears are open to the truth, those that belong to the church. We rely on God not manmade teachings such as the internet.
Ok Chris, show me in the Bible where Jesus taught that there’s a god the mother! You are following a strange doctrine that was NEVER taught by GOD! This is the FACT! It’s the real truth that the WMSCOG has to gloss over and push to the side as well as convince their victims to ignore. These are facts and concrete evidence. Get real Chris and come out of this control group!
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
As per wmscog member this verse explain there are male and female god
if the created male and female in his image then how is it possible to create man and woman?
i recently joined wmscog
I was in the group for 9 months and studied this “evidence” and frankly it falls flat on its face when you check the facts.
My Bestfriend has been going for a few months im scared… She doesnât believe what im trying to tell her… how do I get it thru to her or get help???
I have a question. If Ahn Sahng-Hong already predicted world ends on 1988 then how could he again predict same on 2012. I don’t think he is a fool. Can anyone predict world end twice when he had already predicted for 1988. Yes it would be possible if he was alive after 1988, then he can predict again for 2012
please somebody explain…I really want to know
I accidentally fell upon this website I’m not even sure how. I dont belong to a sect or certain denomination. but as a person from the outside looking in, i literally think this website is psychotic and a waste of time to look in to. if someone believes in something that makes them happy and they are doing no wrong why are you trying so hard to ruin what makes people happy. its not like they are handing out “koolaid” or killing poeple. they are doing what they believe is right the same way you believe you are right. i honestly find this website disgusting your trying so hard to lear people into your own beliefs by bashing another one. if you ask me the members of this church are being persecuted just as jesus was, i see you as the jews that crucified him. i hope you have a bashing / examination website on the other 849 denominations that you dont belong to. because i think your absolutely pathetic for “examining” just one because its new to most people.
You are obviously a member. You are not the first to try this âIâm not a member of any church but…â. No person in their right mind would defend a cult. Especially one such as this one that has done so much damage.
Hello and god bless everybody! I was just wondering How does zhang gil jah give the water of life at midnight? How does the holy jerusalem fulfill prophecy in the last days in the age of the holy spirit? I understand the fact of sarah representing god the mother. Everytime i ask a Deacon this i get told i need to study the bible more or i will text them and they never respond. i have access to the holy bible and mine is read in hebrew and english. I would like to know ALL of the biblical evidence to show this women is really God! How can i have faith if i do not know?
You obviously know that this lady IS NOT a god! Do yourself a favor and just stop asking for something that this group cannot give you. You’re much better off without being manipulated by all of this!
was this video removed?
It appears to be the case.
My daughter is 21 and away in another state for college. She recently becr abe for this church. And was introduced by this 25 yr old guy she met. She called me crying not sure how or when but just found out they are legally married now. She remeber sign church papefwork, but never agreed to get married. Also she spends almost every waking moment at this church what can I do to help. Please help a desperate mother.
The evidence for the end times prediction by ahn sahng hong got removed.. Where can I get them?
My nephew has joined the church for about two months, he lives with me and my family because his mother passed away 8 months ago. He behavior has changed since, he is being aggressive, calling us aunts names, he believes now that his mothers is in hell. He is a very weak kid, he went through so many struggles, and the leaders are taking advantage of this, they destroying our relationship with my nephew, they are making his life more miserable than it was before, they are taking our peace away.
Those that have been led astray by this Satanic cult choose to be led away. God does not put anyone in hell, people choose to walk into it. I know someone who has been sucked into this blasphemous cult. They refuse to listen to reason, refuse to investigate the facts, refuse to take the twisted doctrines of his cults and test in the light of truth. They prefer to remain in darkness as the pagan idol worshippers did. Because the bliss they get from this place is the trade they made with Satan.
The feeling of being on the right path while being fooled that everyone is on the wrong path makes them feel special. They feel unique and chosen. Deaf, dumb, and blind they refuse to follow God’s law directing us to always seek knowledge and question those that make divine claims. They are the blind being led by the blind and lead others that choose to be blind.
Despite how much logic and reason and evidence to present to them, it usually falls on deaf ears. When they choose to walk away from God, God only increases their distance. To them truth is not important, facts are not important. They accept what they are spoon fed blindly, refusing to question the false gods they worship. They believe a living woman in Korea is God because of her ” association ” with Mr. Ahnsahnghong – a false prophet who has been cannonized to the status of God.
Ignorantly they bow down and worship this dead man and his surviving wife insulting God by lowering the creator of the universe in which we are speck within a speck within an ocean of smaller specks. God’s creation and eternal presence is beyond the human beings comphrehension. He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Yet these idol worshippers reduce this greatness to an imperfect mortal man who spend the first 35 years as a Buddhist. A man that made false predictions and contrived lies. To them God now has flaws. Even more blasphemy, they have created a god out of his divorced wife who lives in a palace and has another occupation as the chairman of a “charity” in which you go to the website asks you to donate money!!!
If she were God she would not need to post a website to beg for money!
Do not feel sorry for the fools that choose this path. They do it because they decide. They are presented with the truth yet discard to walk with Satan.
The Bible is a book. It is not self-interpreting. Therein lies the problem.
Jesus did not found/wrote a book and said “Refer to this when in doubt.” Holy scriptures recorded His actions: He founded a Church – a body of believers – with authority to preach/teach/baptise. He singled out a lead shepherd – Peter – to lead the Church after He ascended to heaven – “Feed my lambs”. This Church will not fall into error. God literally forbid it – “…the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.”
The Church as willed by Him is not a democracy. Jesus granted authority to His lead shepherd to head the Church and obedience is the necessary consequence. This is the DNA of the Church. This (true) Church is ever ancient (circa AD 33) and ever new (2017). Go find this Church with such a DNA. Not one founded in 1964 or re-emerged from a supposedly failed Church sometime in the past.
Peace
To continue….
Because the Bible is not self-interpreting as mentioned in previous posting, hence there is a need for a referee to settle a dispute or an area of differing views over a moral or doctrinal issue. The referee’s judgement is final and all must abide by it. This was how the early Church settled the issue of circumcision. There was a referee. If there was no referee, there would be division between church members and possible splintering of the church (this is a favourite tactic of the Evil one: to divide and scatter).
Not anyone can just step in to be a referee. Christ hand-picked a referee. It was the one who previously denied Him 3 times – Peter. He gave the keys to Peter: “whatever you bind on earth, will be bound in heaven.” And this was the blueprint of the divine Founder for His Church – it was always to have a referee. That is how the unity of the faith (its doctrines) is preserved.
1.Dan 7:13
I saw in the night visions and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man,AND HE CAME TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS AND WAS PRESENTED BEFORE HIM.
This clearly doesn not show jesus coming down to earth from the heaven. It rather shows jesus travelling by clouds towards the heaven to god the father(ancient of days).
2.Jesus came as a servant(isa 53) he didn come with his full glory in his first comming. Thats why he says and now father glorify me with ur presence with the glory i had(past tense) with you before the world existed. John 17:5
3.jesus was exalted after his work in cross.
Philippians 2:5-11
Have this mind among yourselves which is yours in christ jesus, who though he was in the form of god did not coynt equality with god a thing to be grasped but emptied himself by taking the form of a servant,being born in tge likeness of man.and being found in human form he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on cross.THEREFORE GOD HAS EXALTED HIM AND BESTOWED ON HIM THE NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME….
Wmscog membera keeps telling that they believe in the holy trinity but infact they are anti trinitarian and teach modalism a heresy rejected by the early church i.e the one god was father once and then tramsformed to son and then transformed as the holy spirit … but they lie that they believe in the holy trinity witout even knowing what the holy trinity is exactly(one god who is one being but 3 persons the father the son and the holy spirit who are co equal and coexisting all the time)..they are taught a false view of trinity which is modalism but being told that it is trinity…. the lies and deception wmscog follows only proves that they are antichrist.
Check for yourself what modalism and trinity means..
The world might’ve not ended in 2012 but the Bible explains that the Bridegroom was long at coming meaning the Bridegroom (who is Christ) would come late. Late implies that there must be a true date which in this case was 2012 but did not come in that year to fulfill the Bridegroom profecy of being late.. Gby!
Erica use your head! Your âlogicâ supports every failed prediction of the second coming of Jesus/end of the world. Also, you just admitted that you, at least at one point, believed the WMSCOGâs 2012 end of the world prophecy. Egg on your face for almost 6 years now lol! How many more years of your life are you willing to waste? First it was 1988, then 2000, then 2012… I guess that the religion that makes you wait the longest is the âtrue churchâ? Seriously wake the F up.
Greetings,
Examiningwmscog
Can we Skype about this topic
-Skype: Robert Cromwell
Was this overruled by a case in 2006?
https://www.thetruewmscog.com/wmscog-end-of-the-world-predictions/
Please be honest about this.
Thanks
I have been in church for 6 months and i feel so worry after the spiritual damage and mentality torture that they had done to me,please tell me that WMSCOG i started to regret after I joined this,after i started to walf distance from them i feel much closer with friends and family,am i in correct path?plz help me guys
I pray for you that your daughter already fallen into cult,wish your daughter already and know the truth that she can see
I read your story and it was so heart breaking. I hope you are in better spirits now and keep your head up
U receive it once u have truly believed in ur heart that jesus the christ who died for ur sins so u can go free…once u have BELIEVED, god fills u with the holy spirit and ur sealed by god for the day of redemption.this is the gospel.
My husband and I visited one, once and only once. We had supper with them. We asked if there was to be prayer over the meal, they looked as if we were crazy, but acquiesced. During the whole evening, I kept getting the creeps, more and more as the evening went on. I wrote down some basic info, bare bones minimum that I could find. When we got home, I searched online to find out anything about them. What I did find confirmed what I had been feeling–that they are not of the GOD I know and serve.
Read this book problems with the new jerusalem the bride and womens veil
If someone writes somethings about somebody on the internet that shouldn’t be always true, because anyone can now create websites and write any lies about any body <> right? But every one should know majority of this world is fooled and cheated through internet.
The reason all these former members say they don’t know where to go after coming out of the WMSCOG is because the WMSCOG has thhe perfect truth of God. I know this website has lots of topics against Father Ahnsahnghong, but all these things have answers.
You fools! Why do you stand against God amidst all the prophecies? If there was Judas Iscariot in the age of the Christ. How much more in this age? Stop playing the Role of the betrayal and seek to understand God.
You will truly suffer the cup of the wrath of Christ if you continue in your ways.
you really must have no life to make a whole website to persecute a church that has been so sucessful by the grace of god we have been reconizged by queen elizabeth! what other church has done this?? no other church. we have true god and so these lies you tell, will not effect true members who want to make it to heaven. everything here is fake, it is so sad that you chose to do this with your life on this earth instead of asking for forgiveness because we are all sinners, instead you act like you know so much with no actual proof and you get a lot of wrong information about the church. sad what the world has come too.
I have visited twice once for the Bible readings and once to see my friend getting baptized. Although I like the teachings and everything because they show with the proof(Bible verses) ..But its really hard to accept Heavenly Mother and Ahn Sang Hong.. Because they pray in his name..Didn’t Jesus said he is the only way to the salvation. Well can you help me to get out of this confusion. Till then I will be praying in Jesus name because he came down to the earth and suffered for me..
It’s not confusion, it’s common sense.
Look, a lot of fundamentalists use the bible to justify extremist behaviour and they do it successfully. I grew up in a Church – not wmscog- that also justifies everything using the bible – it’s really not a big deal. Even the Devil used the bible to try and kill Jesus sooner than his time.
Learn to read the bible in context. I once thought had a lot of misconceptions too about the bible that were fixed by reading the whole chapter rather than a verse, for example.
Here is a simple example, Read Revelations 22:17 again – then ask yourself where does the wmscog get the idea that the bride “gives” water of life. No where in the text does it say that. But if you read the bible and understand who the Spirit is and who the bride is – the bible says that the Spirit testifies about Jesus – you know who else testifies in the same way? the Church.
We testify together with the Spirit and call (say come) those who have not heard the Gospel of Christ Jesus. When they hear and repent – they (let him who hears) also call others to receive the free gift of the water of life found only in Christ Jesus.
You are not confused if you are still praying in the name of Jesus – since the wmscog claims they only care about what the bible teaches, they should be proud of you and shouldn’t pleasure you into praying to a different name – Jesus is in the bible and they say ultimately Ahnsanghong is the same as Jesus right?? Unless He is not…
They are called the keyboard warriors. They really have no life actually. đ
I think people might be able to agree with your assumption here if there wasn’t so many of us posting truth here against this control group!
Every other sermon in the wmscog is about false insistences and how every other church is wrong and wmscog is right, and you say we don’t have a life?
News flash, real churches aren’t bashing other churches every chance they get, they don’t even bash wmscog.
If their were no false insistences how many messages would your pastors share every Saturday and Tuesday? The barely give any new sermons as it is.
You should take your own advise, stop bashing other churches and start focusing on connecting with God, maybe he will be merciful and open your eyes.
By the way, many churches as organizations have received the queens award – If you’re gonna call out people on their lies, why don’t you start with your church.
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This is a destructive cult, they are arranging marriages, breaking up families……this is not GOD, Let’s all pray that the true GOD will soon do something and all the victims wake up…..it’s really sad that we are all going through this but I do believe the truth should be exposed at some point, how long can a lie continue?
Tonight I will pray for your husband and I hope he wakes up and comes back to you, it’s really painful what this church is doing to families.
Jack, I just read your post (May 16, 2018). Sorry to hear what you are going through. I have been dealing with the members of this cult for about seven years now and have made about a half dozen or so YouTube videos on them with the hope of exposing their damaging practices. Would you be willing to do a phone interview with me, telling of your experiences? It would help others who are going through similar situations.
I believe what the Bible says over what any church says. TITHING WAS FOOD, IT WAS NEVER MONEY!! DEUTERONOMY 14:22-29 and MALACHI 3:8-11.NEXT TIME A WMSCOG MEMBER ASKS YOU IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE ABOUT TITHES, TELL THEM GIVE FOOD NOT MONEY.
Hi Roy. I’ve seen one of your videos. Would you go on to the forum and private message me?
This cult is absolutely crazy. My friend and I are going to be making a podcast focusing on WMSCOG’s mind-control tactics and how to recognize and avoid them. Are there any ex-members here that would be willing to be inteviewed? Anonymously, of course
The throne of god in revealation 22 cannot be the heavenlyJerusalem because the throne of the god is actually in the heavenly Jerusalem city. Jesus was not sitting on the mother god was she?
Rev 22:1-2
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city(the heavenly Jerusalem);
The one who sits on the throne in the heavenly Jerusalem and gives the water of life is a “HE” and its jesus and never a bride or a mother god.
rev 21:5-6
And HE who was seated on the throne said, âBehold, I am making all things new.â Also he said, âWrite this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.âAnd he said to me, âIt is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
The living water flows from the temple in the Jerusalem eze47 joel 3:18. But the temple is jesus himself rev21:22
Itâll be four years in August that my husband has been a member of this cult and it has torn our marriage apart. I keep telling myself that itâs just a phase because I too attended the wms for a few months but after reading some of these stories Iâve become a little discouraged. Today is Sunday so of course heâs at the âeducation studyâ that the wms hosts from 9-6pm on Sundays, not to mention he spends his ENTIRE Saturday there. We hardly spend any time together, with me working during the week and him being at the wms. I need help getting him out of this place, every time I utter anything against them he says that âSatan is using meâ. He even told me at one point (when I was pregnant) that it would be best if I left him because he doesnât have time for a family, so I did just that. I packed all of my things and left and the next day he begged me to come home so I did. He even stopped attending the cult at one point for a few months but the members kept calling him until he went back. Itâs exhausting and we need help. Please, if anyone has any suggestions, Iâm all ears.
is there any other websites like this for other denominations?
Yes. Google it.
Pleeezzz
A “Prophet” dieing and leaving his prophecy to a divorced old Korean woman who wouldn’t know the definition of a Mother if it hit her upside the head! Like the Bible says, in the end will be false phrophets …. u keep falling for them. I have some land I would love to sell ya, if your looking for a sign, here it is stu#%^pid
See the truth for yourselves people’s believe it or not but you have to figure all these in the bible of old & New Testament it’s alright not to believe of what you see & heard in reality but your heart & mind decides & only time can tell come to Zion.
Hebrews 9: 11-12 …it does refers to the church of Christ ‘Zion’ ..and yesterday I went there because one of my friend was about to baptized and when I had a chance I was looking at the pictures that was hanging at the wall. And I saw how they baptized after that they write your name in the book of life. II am confused . All theteachings I could understand but I just can’t accept the Heavenly Mother and Ahn Sang Hongnim ..They even pray in his name..
Everyone needs to see this youtube Video about the World Mission Society of God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-L9oV13vRI
My boyfriend is apart of this cult I found out for the past 7 years do you think itâs possible to help hom or is he roo heavily indoctrinated? Please help
Ash, how committed are you to bringing this man to the truth? This thing that you are asking about is very complex and in many cases requires years of dedication. No one is beyond hope and no one stays in a cult forever.
This concept totally wrong and cheating people through bible verses , what is the meaning sprit and bride , jerusalem,living water wmscog teachings was against Creator one day sourly they will punished
I do hope that these people leave this cult and come to christ.
Do not slander this church. You miserable people know that you are bearing false witness & acclaim. Stop trying to be a hinderance. You miserable slandering liars are annoying. Take this page down & find some other form of entertainment for your life. I agree with the wmscog. Maybe you all should get a clue. Lying bullies. Buzz off with that noise! These accusations are false! Do not make picking at this church a habit. You might just upset the wrong people. By the way… Apologize for your lies!!!
quick question, if the church claimed that the world would end in 2012, then where is the documentation for this? you found an earnings report but just wondering where the other side of the story is?
This website is not as active any more. seem that the religion getting more solid. what are the chances they are the one?
Does no one else go to this church it is actually really inspiring if u wanna join us give me ur number so we can talk about God the Mother and this is not a cult i know cause i have at this church since i was 3 years old so come at me bro
oh dear,,,, please help me…. im a new member,, im new to the study of the scriptures . however,, after 6 months of diligent studying ,, night and day ,,,, my study does not match with this churches teaching… hence why im now lead to this website…… i have all there books plus there preaching books…
You can say anything you like, but we trust in Him that Surely He is Our God and surely He will save
Hi all,
I have been at the church for a few months now and started to tithe in November 2019.02.05
I have a few concerns, the fact that I was a bit late last month because I didnât go to Zion that Saturday after my husband got paid,
One of the ladies messaged me to ask me to pay the money in their bank account because they have a cut off period?
Another concern, I am unemployed and my husband has to pay all the bills, after tithing we donât have money for bread and milk for the rest of the month, yet weâre told trust in mother and father?
Do I starve my kids and wait for a miracle?
And what kind of things does the members tell you about âmotherâ after meeting her?
The truth always prevails.
What is from God no man can stop.
I have been in this church for 7 years and left about a year ago. It is terrible what they are doing to try a gain more members. The chruch manipulated my fanily and I for years, brainwashing us that if we didnt attend church and preach to more people that we were going to go to hell. They use scared tactics about the world ending to try and keep you in their grasp. They rob your kids of their childhood, saying thats holidays are pagan and if you were to celebrate them you would go to hell. They try to refrain you from socializing with anyone outside the church, calling them gentiles, ruining socail skills. They brainwash you by keeping you there 7 days a week almost all day, and make you feel guilty if you aren’t there. They try to marry off single people with Koreans. I also witnessed mothers and fathers alike leaving their own children behind for the sake of the church because they believe it’s for God’s will. If you have any questions please let me know. I am trying to enlight those that are suffering from this church.
Hi Amy. I am working with a large group of ex members & affected families. My son is in the WMS big time. Would love to speak to you if you would be willing. Thanks!
Hahaha ADMIN..this is really a false claim…not even knowing the prophecy in the bible how Father Ahnsanghong fulfill the prophecy..before you act like this, first examine your belief if you follow the prophecy in the bible. then if you believe your following the prohecy according to your belief, then state the prophecy which fulfill accurately… hahaha what a nonsense claim..by the way you remind me the teachers of the law who accuse Jesus 2000 years ago which give them a miserable end and results…..
Thank God the Almighty,he cares for you, and brought you out of this dangerous and evil church. Seek the truth and the truth will set you free. , yes my dear brothers and sisters you are free from the wolves in white clothes, they are very cunning, do not be deceived nor fooled by the wmscog.Help otheright who are badly stuck in this evil church, help them to come out of this church. Thank you. Pray in name of our Lord Jesus Christ, not Anghsunghong.
Hello, I was doing research in the Bible. I was wondering, has anyone said the name of Jesus before his coming? Did he start his preaching and Holy work from birth? Did he have a worldly family before? When did he explicitly say ” I am God” ?
Also does that mean that people who believe in Jesus does not believe in Jehovah, lord Almighty?
Finally, how come we know the name of the Father and the name of the Son, but not the name of the Holy Spirit? Why would God put the three in comparison if the Holy Spirit is just one of His many power (people say that it’s something humans can get)?
Since Trinity says they are all one, it means the Father is God the son is God and the spirit must also be God no ?
Sorry, I’m just curious and confused :/ thank you if anyone sees this
Bible that doesn’t say in the names. it says in the name. Matthew 28 :19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.â
Apostles baptized people in one name which is the name of Jesus. not three names, there’s no such in the Bible. Read the following verses for convinction.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, âRepent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48
So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Acts 16:18
She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, âIn the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!â At that moment the spirit left her.
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Wmscog baptize people in the name Father, Jehovah, in the name of Son, Jesus, in the name of the Holy Spirit, Ahnsahnghong. ->> Which false, there’s no such as three names.
My Son has been involved in this CULT for less than 6mo they preyed on him at his college in Jeff, City, Mo. they were relentless. I have sat down with the so-called pastor and we exchanged bible verses and when he couldn’t explain something he would answer with a question. all he kept doing was repeating himself. My son did the same thing and every time we talk it is an argument. They have ostracized him completely from our family and he just called me the other day to tell me that he would be getting married soon. He just turned 21 years old have only known these predators for less than 6mo. and now your getting married!! I asked him to come home so we can discuss as a family and every time he makes an excuse as to why he can’t come. He has sold all of his possessions and when they made him “Fast” he lost over 100lbs. they mentally drain you, sleep deprivation. I managed to have my son’s blood tested when he was home a few months ago before he was fully engulfed and it said that he had {DRUG) induced lupus?? My son has always been an athlete and would never put anything in his body. I am more than sure that they are poisoning him. My best friend and I visited the church which is in the basement of some 30-year-old man, his wife kept trying to get us to eat the food she prepared. We delined over and over before I finally said if you ask me one more time I am inclined to think you are trying to poison me. The wife kept her distance after that. Right now my family feels lost and we don’t know what we can possibly do. I have so much faith in my God that he will bring our son through this but I am afraid that we may have lost him forever.
Ask him this question, I Zhang Gil Jae “mother” under the Law in the Bible? this is a yes or no question. The is only one answer that is YES god is under the Law. Next question is, Is zhang under the law if she is GOD? answer is you but most members will avoid this question because it is a loaded question. Point is there is the law of marriage and zhang did not follow the laws. also Zhabg had sex partners. WMS teaches that crist refined the law between old testament and the new testament though this understanding. old law you can think what you wasn’t and lust was not sin but the act itself was but Crist said if you lust after each other then you have committed sin in your hart then you are a sinner. RIGHT? If mother Zhang had sex and lust then she is a sinner and can not be GOD for god does not sin. there are many more examples like this. Look at Mal 2:10 Mal 2:16-17 she was devoiced as well
Hi there
I was in the cult as well and I believe they do try to poison members, as they forced food down my throat one night when I refused to eat.I was alienated from my parents too and hurt them real badly to the point where I ended up in psychiatric hospitals after I left the cult.
There are so many things I want to tell you as to what they did to me after I started discovering what they were up to. Please let me know if you are interested.
Good day everyone. I’m from the Philippines. I am trying to convince my girlfriend that what she’s currently involved in is a cult. She’s a member for two months now and encourages me to join the church. Two months ago she and her grandmother were invited by members who go door to door and asked them if they believe in mother God and then brought them to the said church and got baptized immediately. She didn’t told me that she was baptized that same day and I was shocked. They claim that the second coming Christ was Ahn Sahng Hong. It was quite fishy the moment she told me that. She and her grandmother were baptized in the name of Ahn Sahng Hong! Then she encouraged me to join them and was inviting me to events like the Sabbath and Passover but I lowkey refused. She offered me time to study the bible with her and I agreed. To my surprise she showed me not a bible but a book like the one showed in the video, only thinner because it was divided into 12 books I think. But the first one is about the Elohim God. She lend me that book and I read that at home and as I was reading it i was like, “hmm, makes sense.” I admit I was not a bible person and I have not formally read the bible yet. I return the book to her after I finished it. Because Iâm curious who that Ahn Sahng Hong is, I googled his name, and to my shock, he is a person! I also found various articles claiming that the wmscog is a cult and ASH is a false Christ! I told her what I saw and showed that to her. She was in shock too. I told her she was brainwashed. Minutes later, she told me not to judge them âcause Iâm not a member yet and encouraged me to come to that church. She told me that it is rude to call them a cult because back in the day Jesus was also considered a cult and is falsely judged by the religious leaders. Then I realized, it was indeed rude, and I said okay. However, I am not convinced yet. I searched a little more and I stumbled upon the videos from Mark Winger. The first two. You know the truth about ASH and God the mother. I showed it to her but she refused to watch it and told me to stop. She told me that sheâs not brainwashed. I stopped. I tried to believe her. Then comes another. She showed me another book. The second book tells about the Sabbath. Hmm okay Saturday Sabbath blah blah, and I was like hmm makes sense to me. I believed. Few days later, I was bored. I donât have anything to do. I then again searched the net for proof that wmscog is false. I found a website with stories about former members of the church. I read those stories. I looked further. Evidences that prove God the mother is not true and ASH is a fraud and the that they twist the scriptures. I saved that for later use. I told myself this is a strong evidence. Earlier this evening (it’s currently 3 am here in the Philippines) I told her to just listen to what I say. I told her âI know we’ve argued about this before, but please listen to me this timeâ. âPlease leave the wmscogâ I told her. She went furious. She asked me what happened to me. Do I not believe in God the mother? I said I used to but now I donât. She told me to stay away from her. I said I am doing it for her. She replied asking why do I try to keep her away from the true church. I was scared. The conversation went to a break up situation. I donât want that to happen. I love her very much. I plan to make her watch this video (https://youtu.be/5jRFNZeu9qM) but I know she will refuse. Please help me. I’m scared of losing her to this church.
Hi Mom. We are hurting too. Our loved on has been in for about 6 months as well. Very similar to your situation. Would love to talk in real time if you would be willing. Thanks!
I joined the church a year and a half ago and I saw the truth about WMSCOG. The church requires members to contribute tithe and offering for every worship but there are members required to pay expenses for the church. I wonder where the money goes and why isn’t the offering enough. There are many controversies in their doctrine which the members refuse to explain or find out the answers when asked but divert it to another verse to avoid answering. I realized that this church has taken you much of my time. I intend to leave this church but don’t know how to. I’m worried about the subsequent consequences I would face from the members and church leaders after leaving it. Can anyone help me?
My goodness, what is your fear about learning the bible and following God’s commands? I’ve been a member of the WMSCOG for nearly a year and they have not separated me from my family, all they preach are to follow the commandments of God. Yes, they do ask you to go out and preach the word just like Jesus and the disciples did 2000 years ago. However, if you don’t want to join, that’s your prerogative. If you don’t believe in the Second coming Christ and God the Mother, you haven’t gone deep enough into the bible because it is written the Jesus will APPEAR a second time with A NEW Name. I mean you believe what you want but I’m going with what is written in the bible.
Brothers and sisters the worst thing of this cult is that it breaks the relationship, the relotions hip between father mother mother, brothers, sister, their behaviour changes, there is no more love which was before. Really one who faces all this knows it is a very bad experience, it is disgusting, because the member do not respect to the person who do not respond to what they preach, you should see them how they behave it’s too bad, who will say that Anghsunghong is god, It is really demonic, children give no respect, I have never seen in my life like this cult. I PRAY and rebuke the devil (wmscog ) in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
My friend was about to get a divorce from his wife, she told him to see other women and he began talking to me about this very “church”. How can he help her. They have 2 small children. she often just leaves the house to attend church without telling him and he finds out that she’s gone when he thought she just went to use the restroom. They live in India and I don’t know her well so I can’t be there physical or a source of any kind of information for her. It hurts to see my friend loosing his wife and to think of 2 young children who are loosing their mother. Please help me. Please give me some information that I can pass to my friend before they divorce and it’s too late. Oh and I believe she has been in the church for about 2 years now. Thank you.
Did you mean to say your son lost 10 pounds on his fast? You put 100 pounds on your post. Just wondering if that was a mistake.
Upon seeing this website, I am in the middle of going back or not. I’m into a lot of arguments on my mind after reading some writings here esp with testimonies of former members. A lot of things still I don’t understand but hearing the same opinion with former members mean something to me now. I’m so confused. Please enlighten me more.
I was baptized 2017. Before, I was preached outside while doing field work. They approached me and invited for bible studies. A lot of times. After work, even rest days when I have free time. I am so happy that they accepted me like a family cause that time, I’m having a relationship gap with my family. I’m almost fed up with things that they made me believe whenever I’m with them. Like I have to join worship service at first it is okay for them if I attend once a day but as I have been with them for months, It has to be whole day. Like 3 mass a day. If I did not keep, it was like they are my conscience for calling me a lot through mobile phone. They even visit me at work. It made me addicted like I did not priority my job, family, and everything. Everytime i’m seeing things weird or new to me, I ask a lot. Tried to search for their church through internet and they were unhappy to hear what I did. It was my excitement that brought me to my own curiosity where will I know the origin of the church? founder? Cause it is Korean church that is why I am excited to learn more about. I found a lot of negative articles about it. They said we have to preach and encourage others to be a member but I’m not sure if I can do it because I am a Filipino. That is a Korean church, a lot of things I don’t know about. If everything is true, I don’t know. Who will I believe? My beliefs they taught me or a Korean citizen who knows about them. I’m really confused. When I departed with them, I rejected ,messages, calls, chats, now I have a happy family. I don’t know what to believe now. Help me. Should I go back? But I’m afraid that my son would disobey me to follow church activities and have no time with us in the future if I go back. Am I the only one confuse here?
Thank you for putting together this story. Hopefully this will help others involved with the World Mission Society Church of God see the light. It truly is heartbreaking to hear about people being scammed like this.
By the way, I tried to pull up the article about âDid Constantine Abolish The Sabbath In 321 AD?â but the link was broken….
Can you please direct me to that article, thank you.
Click here for the article.
The World Mission Society Church of God has ZERO authority over members. This is just plain bullying, not to mention illegal. The next time something like this happens it needs to be recorded and put up on Youtube and Facebook for the world to hear.
I clearly understood that the Heavenly Jerusalem is our Mother. Through the Apostle Paul God tough us that we became children of the promise because of Our Mother. Without doubt,Surely we can go to Heaven if we are the children of the free Women,Heavenly Jerusalem.
I am a new member of the Church of God WMS.but the only thing I want to know is,whether it is true or not that Zhang Gil Jah had ex-husband and two children?
Yes it is true that Zhang Gil Jah is divorced and does have 2 children. Ahn Sahng Hong never divorced his wife and had many children. It is all laid out for you on his tombstone and in public records.
Who are the children of Zahng Gil Jah ?
Where are they now ?
Are they members or leaders of WMSCOG?
Actually Apostle Paul never said we become the children of God through a promise related to God the Mother. If you have read all the books of Paul, you will know that through Pauls teachings, we a re children of God through adoption which comes through faith in Jesus Christ. Did Paul explicitly say we need a mother god to be children of God? No he never said that. Through Paul’s Allegory which he literally described as an allegory, the wmscog have been able to twist Paul’s words to mean something else. In Ephesians 3:20 we see Paul calling us sons of God through Adoption which comes through Christ Jesus, we also see Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:5 saying there is only one God, the Father. Assuming Paul had been given a revelation about “god the mother”, he would have contradicted himself more than once.
Moses who also apparently had a revelation about two images of God, male and female in Genesis would have contradicted himself in Deuteronomy chapter 6. Moses literally wrote there is one God and assigned a male pronoun calling God Him. Does that mean Moses never understood the word Elohim? Does it mean all the Jews especially the writers of the Bible never understood what Elohim means? No…. of course it means the WMSCOG is lying.
Not only are they lying about the bible, the are also lying about the history of their church. they hide the broken past of their gods cos they know that the second coming Christ is not a sinner.
Wmscog are the one who brought the real truth of the bible. So foolish and evil people u all r even after getting so much of evidence regarding the bible..u all r noticing how the prophecies have been fullfilled..Wmscog is the true zion where the teachings of jesus christ is followed.
Ladies & gentlemen, please allow me to share my experience.
I am one of the biggest asshole jerk around. I was a self chose to be Roman Catholic. But after many years, I see they talk one thing then do another thing, so I started sleeping in church cos my family still wanted to go.
Then I left church & was always very skeptical about Christianity. My staff and friends who tried to talk to me about church will be scolded by me & told to FO.
Then one day I found out one of my staff was a WMSCOG member, I just bombarded her with all the questions, criticism etc, politely.
Some she could answer, some she could not. So I told her go find out from her pastor or whoever then comeback & we talk again.
After several rounds of ding dong back & fore with answers & exact quotes from the Bible that I chose, I was curious & wanted to find out more. I told her, don’t waste time, arrange for me to meet your Missionary & I will ask him all my questions.
So we met at the church & I just let go all my questions that all this while whatever denomination priests and elders couldn’t answer me.
To my surprise, the Missionary was very patience & has answers to all my questions with supporting proof & verses from the Bibles (he used NIV, NKJ, NLT, history books etc).
I was convinced & decided to baptise that very day. I chose to baptise, the missionary didn’t ask.
I have been with wmscog for quite a few years now. They never once ask me how much is my salary or how much I contributed.i contribute the amount that I am comfortable with.
I am still in contact with some members who left or only appeared once or twice a year. I ask them if they face any pressure or haunting from church members or staff. They all say no.
Only initially they received calls from the closer brothers who out of concern ask if they are ok, haven’t seen them for awhile.
I spent more time there because I wanted to study more and volunteer for some of the activities. No one peer pressure me
So whatever all these cult experts say, I have serious doubts. If youmind is strong, arrange to talk with the Missionary. Ask whatever questions and doubts you have. Just fire away politely, don’t habmve to be nasty. Hear & see for yourself. Then you decide. Don’t be influence or sway by the BSers. If you scare, bring a trusted friend or relative along. What’s the worst case scenario? If what the missionary says makes sense you can choose to find out more. If it doesn’t make sense to you you can standup & walk There are no guns, no ball & chain to hold you back. You can also tell them ” don’t contact me or you don’t give them your contact”. Anyway, they also not so free to be a pest or so desperate.
This is not a sales job. The members and staff got no target that they MUST achieve.
If there is only one God why do Jesus and apostles need to mention God as our Heavenly Father instead only God.The existence of Father really indicates that there must be Mother also.Likewise, the existence of Brothers really indicates that there must be Sisters also.
Moreover Bible expressed God in two images ie.male image of God and female image of God.However most of the people they accept only the male image of God or the masculine gender of God.
In HEAVEN-God is not only Father but Mother also.In HEAVEN-Children are not only Brothers but Sisters also.
I am a Newcomer in WMSCOG and Till that time they taugh me about God the Mother I am strongly believed her existence.But my purpose to see on the internet about her is to find the truth whether she had came according to the prophacy or not.However as I entered through many website and pages on the internet I find different website and pages insisted Mother in different ways and different definition.
So brothers and Sisters you have known that Jesus Christ is God because he had fulfilled the prophacy in the bible accordingly.Thus,Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother are true God because only true God can fulfill the prophacy but others cannot.
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If there is only one God why do Jesus and apostles need to mention God as our Heavenly Father instead only God.The existence of Father really indicates that there must be Mother also.Likewise, the existence of Brothers really indicates that there must be Sisters also.
Moreover Bible expressed God in two images ie.male image of God and female image of God.However most of the people they accept only the male image of God or the masculine gender of God.
In HEAVEN-God is not only Father but Mother also.In HEAVEN-Children are not only Brothers but Sisters also.
I am a Newcomer in WMSCOG and Till that time they taugh me about God the Mother I am strongly believed her existence.But my purpose to see on the internet about her is to ïŹnd the truth whether she had came according to the prophacy or not.However as I entered through many website and pages on the internet I ïŹnd different website and pages insisted Mother in different ways and different deïŹnition.
So brothers and Sisters you have known that Jesus Christ is God because he had fulïŹlled the prophacy in the bible accordingly.Thus,Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother are true God because only true God can fulïŹll the prophacy but others cannot.
In order to know God read the Bible not to read the Internet.
If there is only one God why do Jesus and apostles need to mention God as our Heavenly Father instead only God.The existence of Father really indicates that there must be Mother also.Likewise, the existence of Brothers really indicates that there must be Sisters also.
Moreover Bible expressed God in two images ie.male image of God and female image of God.However most of the people they accept only the male image of God or the masculine gender of God.
In HEAVEN-God is not only Father but Mother also.In HEAVEN-Children are not only Brothers but Sisters also.
I am a Newcomer in WMSCOG and Till that time they taugh me about God the Mother I am strongly believed her existence.But my purpose to see on the internet about her is to ïŹnd the truth whether she had came according to the prophacy or not.However as I entered through many website and pages on the internet I ïŹnd different website and pages insisted Mother in different ways and different deïŹnition.
So brothers and Sisters you have known that Jesus Christ is God because he had fulïŹlled the prophacy in the bible accordingly.Thus,Christ Ahnsahnghong and Heavenly Mother are true God because only true God can fulïŹll the prophacy but others cannot.
In order to know God read the Bible not to read the Internet.
My replay not coment it is important truth….This statement absolutely wrong..because god said in Isaiah 8: 14″
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.” Actually now everyone knew Jesus Christ but that time so many people didn’t believe the Jesus .uffcoure Bible testified about Jesus is god but many people only looked for Jesus personal things like parents ,physical family,education, society etc…so they got failed to recieve eternallife from Jesus..because god already prophecied in isiah he is stumbling stone for us…but apostle didn’t saw jesus physical things only Bible prophesies according to 2 Corinthians 5: 16
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”
this time also same…we will look only Bible testifies heavenly Father and mother or not..we will also look god physical things we can never receive eternal life..so brothers and sisters please believe the Bible..Gal 4:26..Rev 22:17 says in the last age we want take salvation we will go to heavenly Father ang mother..please believe this truth…thank you …
Yes Jesus became a Stumbling block to many, here’s some of the reasons: He was a man claiming to be God, He challenged the Religious Leaders, He didn’t bring mass resurrection and world peace as they had expected. But here’s the thing, all these things were clear from God’s laws.
Jesus would first resurrect as the first fruit. He was born into David’s blood line was given an eternal kingdom which he referred to while he was still alive. He was killed on the Passover so also the fulfil the purpose of the Passover. Jesus was clearly testified in the bible without any vagueness. His disciples read and the scriptures and God allowed them to understand the Scriptures that we now know and understand to be clear and precise description of the coming messiah.
Through these same scriptures which God used to show the through messiah, we are able to know for sure that Ahnsanghong is not God, he is not Jesus Christ, He certainly not the Holy Spirit.
No verse in the bible says there is God the Mother. But there are many verses that tell us that there only one God. There is many Verses that tell us God is Father.
Please believe the Bible when it says there is no other name by which we can be saved not in heaven, earth or under the earth except the name Jesus.
Ahnsanghong said in his book ( The Mystery of God and Spring of the water of Life chapter 12): no other name in the last days except the name of Jesus. Please listen to Ahnsanghong.
Ahnsanghong also said in his book ( Visitors from the Angelic World page 50): the last Eve is the Church – not Zahn-gil-jah.
God i was recruited by them and boy that was the biggest mistake that i made on my entire life. As of now they are constantly pestering me on my apartment. Always teling me to go the “bible study”. The more terrifying thing is that they will wait for hours outside my door. God help me
Hi I am also another ex member. The best advice I can give you to start leaving this church is do all you can to avoid them. Maybe start with blocking all their contact numbers and private callers. Then you have to be strong when they keep knocking on your door… don’t ever open the door to them or if they caught by accident if you’re try to leave the house just tell them straight you are not interested anymore say it boldly even if they insist with more studies or whatever JUST be bold my friend. You can only do it if you try it hard. I myself as well have been through the same thing and I totally understand the frustration, it is not easy to be mean to them but sometimes you only got you and you have to speak your mind to something you don’t want to do for your life. Tell them straight if they won’t leave tell them you will call the cops. Wish you all the best and God bless
Where to begin.
First, the photos of the marriage are not a real wedding ceremony – itâs a demonstration for those in Zion on how the wedding banquet will be. Secondly – in the Bible in the Age of Jahova you were to pray only in his name. In the age of the Son Jesus said âup until now you have not prayed in his name and to do so, the age of the Holy Spirit is the same. Each age has a name. This is why when youâre baptized you are to be baptized in NAMES not titles. Names are Jahova Jesus and Ahn Sangh Hong titles are Father son and Holy Spirit – this is a parable and to the one saying glory of the clouds. You sir are mislead by false teachings and itâs truly sad. In both the Old Testament and new Father tells you he speaks in parables that contain the hidden secrets of creation. John 14 and 16 tells you about the advocate Christ âFather/Jesus would send at a later time. Revelation 3 tells you if you overcome the world and the ways of the world he would give you his new name. How does God come to earth? A child is born to us read Isaiah about this. No where does the Bible say to break the commands matter of fact Jesus who is the âso â but is God the FATHER in flesh tells you to keep his commands. He set the example of what we should do as his followers but because men/Satan in Rome abolished the sabbath and the feast and took away salvation during the dark ages and slaughtered millions of us that know this truth 1260 years they changed the religious system and the world pays homage to the sun god. Isaiah tells you Satan would exalt himself to be like God and what a better way than to make an image of a beautiful man, when Christ wasnât attractive as the Bible testifies nothing about him would draw people to him breaking the command not having any other God before Father. They made the cross an idol breaking that command and the sabbath command remember the sabbath.
To the person that says âshow me where sunday isnât the sabbathâ in your bible in Matthew it testifies Christ was killed on Friday. Mary waited till the sabbath was over to go to the tomb on the first day or âSundayâ when he was resurrected itâs before your eyes but because you donât seek truth and donât keep the commands men tell you we no longer keep the sabbath because Christ frees us when the reality is the Bible testifies that by keeping the commands of God we show him we are his children and he takes the vail away. The law makes us a slave if we donât keep it because breaking the law is sin and lawlessness. Keeping the law sets us apart and frees us. Why do you think we are so happy in Zion?
There are many people that leave the church – because the Bible tells you not many will get to go to heaven. The reason is because the Bible tells you only a few are chosen – per destined. At the same time if the internet was around during the age of Jesus do you think the Pharisees wouldnât have been on the net smearing Christ as you do? To say Ahn Sangh Hong isnât christ is to bare false witness even to Jesus. What you do unknowingly is blaspheme the Holy Spirit which there is no forgiveness at the end, repent and you may be saved. Also. To list Babylon practices.
Sunday, communion, Easter and Christmas are all of Babylon so is valentines and Halloween dig deep into pagan festivals – Christmas is to the sungod birthday 12/25 it all leads back to nimrod and Babylon. This is why the Bible testifies that the world is deceived not a few the entire world. Even the Jewish people the âstar of Davidâ is the star of molecules and who do you think that is? I bet you already know. To argue scripture is to cut yourself to pieces as it says, Iâm not here to argue but to teach rebuke and correct you, if you learn then great if you refuse itâs because your spirit is still rebelling as it did in heaven – we were all cast out as the Bible says we were all combined with the dust of the earth as the Bible says we are all going to die where our body returns to the ground but our spirit returns to where it came from.. Heaven – God. You bash our faith and you really donât know Jack besides what men type on the internet. You mislead many seeking truth and yet now you have some light being shined because there are those of us out in the world but not of the world with the full armor of God the salvation of God with the seal of God on our foreheads. Think Iâm still wrong? If you have salvation, why does Christ have to return a second time to bring salvation to those who waited for him? Hebrews 9:28 – salvation is the Passover meal brought back by the Holy Spirit and think about this. In 1948 Israel became a nation. The parable of the fig tree tells you when Israel becomes a nation Christ is at the door – 71 years since has there been any man to offer salvation? No false Christ who deceive many have no offers of salvation they break the commands and teach the same as everyone else. Only one man came. Galatians 4:26 says but the Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our mother. Jerusalem in revelation comes down to earth with father and dwells here for a time – not the city but our mother. She gives the water of life as the Bible tells you. But because men are waiting on ârapture and tribulationâ thinking thy will have the easy way out – rapture is false teachings and you forget to see where the saints were worn out by the Catholic Church and persecuted. The last prophecy to be fulfilled is judgement but men say this and that and that but the followers donât look to history after Christ left.
If you want to keep asking questions I will answer them but rumors about âsuch and such took our money etcâ false if youâre moved to give your house and money to the lord do so with gladness in your heart just as Abraham did with Melchizedek. Oh a few other things when john was on Patmos he said Christ would come from the East. Directly to the ends of the earth on google is what country? Korea. He wasnât going back to the Middle East remember his work was finished and the Jewish people had already done the work of preserving the first half of the Bible.
I hope this reaches many of you, including the OP because truly I tell you everything in the Bible is truth. Oh and for those saying we pick and choose scripture – you know how we teach you know itâs truth you cannot argue and nothing in scripture or what we teach is false because if I pull up a verse and the other verse backs the first itâs truth especially when you are able to see it because you are one of the lost sheep. The rest wonât think so and will not see it there fore they leave.
To the spy shame on you for feeling that you need to spy. You scheme and Father and Mother May have already thrown you out donât know or they will keep giving you a chance to humble yourself and see your errors. For the owner of this page, what do you have to say? Do you want to study, or shall you return to the dust with a meaningless life as proclaimed in the word of God?
Hello, you may want to post this in the forum. You raise some good points but they are not likely to be seen or responded to below an article.
Firstly, you made an error – I’m not gonna say you lied. There is no where in the bible where anyone prayed “in the name of Jehovah”. Jesus did not say “until now you have not prayed in his name” – He said, until now you have not ASKED anything in my name. There is a huge difference.
David Called on the name of Jehovah, he never prayed or asked IN the name of Jehovah – that is a lie the wmscog tells people.
The only reason Jesus said ASK in my name is because he is the only mediator between man and God. he is the perfect sacrifice for atonement that pleases God – To God, it is no longer I that lives but Christ who lives in me (Galatians 2:20).
You read the bible yet you don’t understand or see things that are clearly there.
So is anyone trying to crack the case between connection of big shine and WMSCOG?? I looked on their LinkedIn profile and on their articles I looked at their likes and found a brother that likes their articles so clearly they are connected. Also it seems they may be connected with other companies by different name in China. Anyone looking into these things?
Anyone in Denver who can help me explain this to a friend?
Salam alaikom i on the other hand was a former member of this cult wayback in 2009 in Philippines. Two members of this cult came to my house but first they asked me if i am a chain smoker i thought they from the healthy authority until they bring out their korean bibles đđ
They invited me to come to their church on saturday a korean girl came to my house to pick me up and then when i reached the church the filipina girl used to tell me that she was a former member of Born Again Christian and a Catholic…. they preached me everything especially the baptism that you will be saved if you get baptized ASAP and yes they pour a water in my head and wallah khalas!
This cult used to hate the other religious group such as statue worshippers and the Muslims and additions to this is they used to condemn the Gays and Bisexual communities in the city… one time the deacon of this cult asked me if i am a Gay well i respond to him calmly but this shitty deacon keeps on insisting that i am a part of LGbT! In my opinion if you see some imperfection to your brothers and sister you should not condemn them but instead pray to the Lord Jesus to cleanse their hearts… the deacon said “the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of heaven” đđđ
To cut the story i decided to leave this cult after the conversationđđ you see they are not increasing they baptize people who they catch in the streets and alleys but no one is coming back đđđ God hates sin but as a Sinner i am willing to confess my sins…. after 5 months i throw a doggy bag of CD(compact disc) in the umbrella basket of this cult it consists of gay pornography and i dedicate it to that stupid deacon of this cult. After that i never heard any news about them but when i am encountering some koreans i am ignoring them for some kind of shits!
Since i am a Muslim now i will be careful for dealing with these kind of infidels!
If you give a 20php as tithe the korean girl will approach you and tells you that 50php or 100php could be better…. Astagfirullah! I am still a student that time if i am a son of a rich man maybe i will give them 1000php every saturday but who the hell are they?
If God the mother is real I don’t like here.
thank you for this rattling post, I am glad I discovered this web site on yahoo.
Dear Admin,
thank you so much for all the work you did here! It really helps me.
God bless you!
Ramil do whatever it takes to get her out, cause I lost my long term girlfriend to this church and now she is married off to a member, do whatever you can for her to get out
Hi there,
One of my best friend became involved in the “church” awhile ago. I don’t want to get into any arguments and alienate him further but are there any technique or resources available to getting him away from the wmscog or seeing their folly? They seem to take up his entire being.
Same here, I resonate what you have said .I am a current church leader and lead almost 50 people.I have studied the org through psychological perspective and found out to have influential mind control techniques implied. I want to get out without fuss but my wife is in it partially devoted.So for her sake I am behaving normally.
I joined the college again and have persued a career again after being completely empty handed giving all my time to the church. The leading people have good attitude and behaviours as long as you support them and assist them in any sort of way.
My mind also has been rewired by the doctrines so I feel uneasy thinking against it.Just pray I could get back normally.
If the whole W.M.S.C.O.G idea is centred upon Ahnsahnghong as the 2nd Coming, then WMSCOG is just a huge cult, which it is most likely. Firstly, ask if Ahnsahnghong’s birth was divine or ordinary. By that, everyone should know wether Ahnsahnghong was genuine or a really smart fraud
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, âI am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Revelation 20:15
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Jesus is the only way to Father God. There is no other way, no religion, cult, human, that can give you your salvation but Jesus.
WARNING TO THOSE WHO TEACH OTHER THAN GOD’S WORDS.
Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the PLAGUES described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
They never taught that the world will end in 2012 I was in the church before then
Man are y’all gone be surprised when the 7 thunders begin pealing and revealing these utterances of Almighty God the Father’s Will. The seven feasts and our Father’s call for the observance of them comprise only one of the Seven Thunders. The other six are going to shake heaven and Earth like never before. Many who now stand tall and self-assured of their own standing shall fall and perish from the promise of eternal life to be inherited by the children of righteousness. They because they abid not in the truth, nor have they received the spirit of Truth from the Father for they would not keep His commandments, believing instead the lies of a false Apostle, and teaching others to follow such lawlessness. Repent quickly and bear fruit worthy of repentance for the hour draws near.
Verse quoting is how people got stuck in this predicament…context is everything!!please read and prove and disprove for yourself. Don’t allow someone else to feed you scriptures and take it lock, stock and barrel. Study to show yourselves approved that’s scripture.
2000 yrs ago the lamb and 12 disciples standing on mt Zion was the true church. even millions of jews came to Jerusalem but they didnt keep the NC with the lamb. they all kept feasts and rejected christ. what did Peter? say you have the words of eternal life. We will follow you.
Last days same, many worship God but few will stand on mt Zion with the lamb following the lamb keeping the NC. All others will be surprised saying we ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets
And he told them I never knew you lk 13 26.To those who didnt keep NC even thought they followed followed God. lk 6:46. Lord lord but dint listen
Rev 13:9
Mark 4:13
Lk 13:4-5
Hello? How can you leave WMSCOG? I’m really desperate right now. They pressured me to join and being the pushover that I am, I joined but now I’m regreting it. They keep pestering me at my dorm and now they’re pestering me at home. They’re also trying to force me to go to their passover which I only went once and then I stopped going. Whenever I wouldn’t go they would go to my dorm and try to guilt trip me in going since Saturday is the day for worshipping God. I really, really want to leave. It’s like they want me to believe what they keep saying. It felt like they were manipulating or hypnotizing me into believing what they say and it almost got to me. What they’re proposing to me and what they are telling me to do is having a strain on me and my academics. Even my relaxing time has not been relaxing. I’m paranoid that they might get to me soon. I thought there was something wrong when I joined but now that I read this there’s really something wrong. Please help me in being an ex-WMSCOG. I’m from the Philippines and next year I don’t want to go to their “Saturday” passover since it’ll clash with either my ROTC or CWATS in my first year of college.
Your instincts are serving you well. Stay out of this group! At this point I would encourage you to write a letter to this group stating that you don’t believe in their doctrine and you wish not to be contacted or harassed by their group any further. I would mail this as certified mail so they must sign for it and you will receive proof that they received it.
Mind blowing! I remember being taught the cross is so detestable. Even the cross on my Bible was crossed out because I saw members doing it. When the church bought another church building it smashed the crosses and statues. Even the photo just like this one in the pic was considered an idol because itâs a pic of Father being tortured on an idol. Yet here is Ahn and Zhang taking pics with Jesus on the cross.
Speechless!! I’m like WOW!! how’s that even possible, please people don’t take the Word out of context.
Let scripture interpret scripture and don’t twist it’s meaning.
God bless you all I pray you all will come out of the deception.
I live in a suburb very near to the Ridgewood WMSCOG. I heard rumblings from neighbors that people are very concerned that the parking lot was filled both Saturday and Sunday. I walked by and saw at least 25 cars in the parking lot, all close together, and many people coming in and out, clearly not practicing any social distancing.
I found this site because the utter arrogance and disrespect for my community seemed unreal and I was hoping I would find some reason for the blatant disregard for public safety. I never knew anything about the WMSCOG. I am glad that my friends who live nearby have committed to keeping an eye and telling the authorities that the “yellow tape” in the front entrance is a sham.
I’m a resident of this community who is angered, disheartened and frightened by this behavior. I will be monitoring and telling the local authorities.
These should have been the rules written on the front door to every church or in a 4 page section in our New song books. This sums up what it means to be in this group. Something that’s isnt explicitly mentioned.(unless the pastor loses his tongue and rambles) . All the joy and happiness in this group is forced over time. I’m glad I stopped pretending and left but the confusion and guilt is so strong to do that. Noone should entertain this group from the get go.
I host a podcast called âThe Simple Christianâ where I take pleasure in giving former members a voice to share their âexitingâ stories from this Cult. If you lie to share your testimony, please email me at: [email protected]
People who didn’t obey the laws like Sabbath, Passover they will never understand this mistery of God.
Definitely she is real god…heavenly mother Jerusalem…real creators
Hello COVID-19 will those people who mocked God the Mother will be Saved from this pandemic? I’m ELLA by the way who used to comment here in 2013. Still this page spread lies. If you have some evidence show it the divorce paper and the Birth certificate of her children. By the way we are Partners with PNP here in the Philippines so if we are liars story makers we End up in Jails. But of course not! We are partners with PNP for Reduce Crime Together. You know from almost 9 years I’m here. I experienced Good and Bad but it’s up for you if you would stay or not! I chose to stay even if it was hard. You know why? As Apostle Peter said. “Where do we go?? You have the Words of Eternal Life.” As Jesus said men does not live on Brea alon But on Every Word that comes out from God. For the Watchmen who commented here 9 months ago. He stated very well. You cannot answer him back. Why because u can’t you don’t know the whole bible because you are not reading or studying it. You just Focus on Physical Life of Mother. Jesus also have Physical Life but did the Bible tell anything about his Physical Life, Physical Lovelife? No. Because it’s Physical. You know the Marriage between Father and Mother is the Fulfillment of Heavenly Wedding Banquet in 1984 before Father ascend in Heaven. It is fulfillemnt of Heavenly Wedding Banquet. It is not a Physical Wedding But Spiritual Wedding within the two for the Fulfillment Only of Heavenly Wedding Banquet. They didn’t have Sex at all. 1985 Father Died for tge fulfillment of King David 30 year Reign! They were just married for the purpose of the Fulfillment of Heavenly Wedding Banquet. So regardless of their physical life it’ not part of your salvation. Just as Jesus Physical Life and Physical Lovelife are not part of our Salvation so it was not indicated in the Bible right?
For Jesus is Lord sect Cult! Hello! Magtagalog ako since Pinoy kayo. Huwag kayo masyado take advantage at magsalo ng mga lost sheep at dadalhin niyo sainio para lalo maging Lost. We Celebrate Passover as Jesus did? How about you Jesus is Lord Do you Celebrate Passover? 2nd you praise Jesus but you ignore all Jesus teaching Like Sabbath, Passover, Unleavened Breaf, Resurrection, Ascension, Pentecost, Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets & Feast of Tabernacles. All of that is Feast of God. And You Keep Ingnoring the Feast of God while Praisimg Father as Jesus is the Only Lord. How ridiculous isn’t? sabi nga Sa isang verse. You keep on Praising me But your hearts are far from me. You Worship me In Vain. You know that verse find that google mo JIL Cult.!
For the spy how pity you are. I’m sure you get mad at church I don’t know who you are but for me and for all of us. You still have time to Repent. Because Betrayers are like Judas they end up in Vain. So if I were you Repent! Stop what you are doing. If you don’t want to go anymore just leave. Don’t let others die spiritually. Anyway, This is Ella Jorraine Serrano from Quezon City Zion before. I have good and Bad experience from Church but it doesn’t mean I must Leave Mother and don’t keep all the Feast. I stayed because of the Feast Don’t you know. I don’t stay for others. I still stay because my Family were blessed enough to stay in Zion and they were Good Fruit. More Good than me.
When I wrote 7 years ago here. You removed my post and put it in forum. One commented Emil. That I must go in forum so that many of them will be save if my statement and the bible verses I gave are True Enough. I don’t go why? If they are children of God they will come back. If not then they were never. I tried so many times to go out and never comeback from this church. But I stay. Why? Because my Faith are Not Depend on Other people or other sinner inside the church. If they commit mistake against me. It’s their fault not mine. I leave I go to other Zion Branch so I started new Life, New Pastor, New Beggining away from sinners who are judgmental. Like yours. All comments here are too Judgmental ha. By the way I’m lesbian before I was persecuted by our Pastor old Pastor but Mother called and said to the Pastor who is a sinner “Please Tell Ella that I loved her so much! Please take Care of Her I want Her to be Saved! Please Help her to become Spotless and blameless before Father comes! Please Help her to bear Many Good Fruits! I want her to stay in QC Zion. She is Your Sister” She called Oct. 2013 before the Feast that time. And she said All of that despite that I’am Lesbian before and I was persecuted by so many judgmental sinners inside QC Zion. Those people who Judged me are Not Gods! But merely sinners like me who ate not Perfect enough! Only Father & Mother Saves and Forgives and Sacrifices and Love us Despite other people around us Judge us. In the End I was Happy Sister with No Title Holder here at my New Zion Temple somewhere in Bulacan. Respected enough by newly members. Away from Shame and all of Judgments. With so many Good Fruits. Because I don’t mind the Judgment of Pastors. After all they are not God. Mother knows well. All our Future! She’s Our True God prophesied in the Bible. Honestly I don’t remember anymore that I commented here way back 2013. Lahat kasi pinapatulan ko if it was Mother Involve. That is why may be Mother love me so much! đđ †I hope all of you can be saved from COVID-19 eventhough you didn’t Kept the Passover. Self-Service pala kami lahat so Goodluck sa mga nag-Fall away! At bumalik Hope maaprovahan kayo mag self-service. Naman. One thing yung 2012 na sinasabi nyo. The Bridegroom is long time in Coming! But I think He Comes in a Different way Now to Judge the World by His Sword. So Goodluck for COVID-19 Guys! By the way Father was Born in 1918 during Spanish Flu and 50 Million People Died. 100 Million were infected and it lasts for 2 years!. For the past years WMSCOG conducted several Preaching worldwide kahit hindi ako kasama because I’m taking care of my Child. For several Years People Ignored the WORD of GOD. For Several Years Father & Mother waited too long. So 2020 will be time for Judgment! Para sa mga Judgmental na katulad nyo. You are Hiding your Identity while you persecuted the WMSCOG and Mother! What ashamed! COWARD! In tagalog Duwag! Anyway, Goodluck talaga sa COVID-19! đ đđ
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Block their numbers. If they call with new number – tell them to stop calling you. Don’t be nice to them. They will use that to your detriment.
Can you upload the video? It is removed.
Done!
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can I ask? where did you get the video or the conversation with Diane Sims? Do you know who posted it?
It is really important that I find out. Please this is Diane, and I really need to know.
This is not Diane, and whoever this is likely hacked into her email. Tread lightly.
Wow! there is no female god! Fakes. The video is on YouTube and is exposing the cult, how is this happening…. they literally lead people so far from Jesus… in the name pod the Holy Spirit they are blasphemous and Iâm honestly scared that turned me to commit an unforgivable sin … blaspheme the Holy Spirit:( Father, Jesus, please forgive me
One of my family is close with a current Member. Apparently all members are now required to preach to co workers and extended family members. Within 2 days of hearing this my loved one called me and asked for contact information of cousins, uncles, aunts etc. The control they exert over members is so terrible and so sad. Great article btw. Keep up the good work.
Your article claims that after Jesus Paul didn’t kept Sabbath right??
So I say to you prepare your homework and come again. Acts 18:4 clearly says that he is to go to synagogue on every Sabbath.
On the particular Sabbath discussed in the article, Paul did not go to the synagogue because he was traveling by boat. Perhaps you should read the article prior to commenting.
alot of people reported their YouTube page for copy rights lool they trying hard
In my newer book that the put out last year, it says that they are âoneâ together, and still the same God, but make and female. I left the church before this past âPassoverâ but I still have the book!
hahahahahahahahahaha…I think that “can I ask” sold u out that you a Korean snooping around, members from this group are bored I’m telling you.
Wow! there is no female god! Fakes. The video is on YouTube and is exposing the cult, how is this happening…. they literally lead people so far from Jesus… in the name pod the Holy Spirit they are blasphemous and Iâm honestly scared that turned me to commit an unforgivable sin … blaspheme the Holy Spirit:( Father, Jesus, please forgive me
Crazy! I can’t believe that I have been lied to for 10 years. I just left this past week. The evidence is irrefutable.
I have the book My Sheep Listen To My Voice, and your quotes are completely false. I checked every page you listed as well as +-20 pages and couldnât find any of the quotes you claim to be from Joe Cheol Kim. Thereâs not even any chapters that would have any indication as todescribing appearance of churches or number of members. It just looks like youâre intentionally slandering with no real evidence.
The only quote from My Sheep Listen To My Voice in this article is in Chapter 1 Sabbath, Section 7 Our Attitude Toward The Sabbath, page 45 in the Korean/English version. Will post a picture upon request.
To Admin and others: The internet is not exactly the safest place to be in when researching. I, personally, think that scholars won’t help either. Will teaching yourself help? I don’t think so. Start from the beginning of the Bible. I haven’t even read all 66 books. With the knowledge I am acquiring, I am coming to understand that reading the King James Version (KJV) or the New International Version (NIV) can guide you as you read the 66 books of the Bible. Jesus, along the disciples, including John the Baptist, quoted the prophet’s words spoken through the Holy Spirit. This is the brief explanation I am giving you. Also: admin: you say Sunday is the Lord’s day, but you should search about the history of the Roman Empire and the Catholic Church. The Ten Commandments were also changed, so the Sabbath day is actually meant for all of us. Constantine, the Roman emperor, abolished Sabbath and Passover and, because of aspirations he took from the sun-god and other gods, he declared Sunday to be the day of worship. There is more context. I am a hypocrite when I say, “The internet is not exactly the safest place to be in when researching”, but this can help bring to light one truth of many. Have a good day!
You have memorized the countermeasures quite well. “Mother” would be so proud. Stay Happy!
All heresay no concrete proof of anything. Just alot of slandering.
Cross is definitely a idol. Dont need any church to tell me otherwise
There is a huge difference from the teachings. They aren’t comparable
Somebody knows about that ASH said in a book called “The opening of the 7 thunders” about a girl who was a child yet. They say that words were about heavenly mother. Is that truth? I’m looking for that book but I can’t find it.
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/what-ahn-sahng-hong-meant-when-he-wrote-i-follow-mother/
You guys are terrible people i go to this church and it is amazing there are amazing people in this church. They speak the truth.
I know it’s been a long time since someone posted here. But I found the WMSCOG site through some research and actually found many very positive and in my opinion accurate sermons for understanding the Spirt of God through the scriptures. But God the Mother blasphemes the Lord our creator. They get their “Mother God” concept from this verse which starts with “THESE THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN FIGURATIVELY”.
Galations 4:24-26
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
In truth, Paul’s label of Jerusalem as our “mother” has merit as a birth place for the Torah that gave all nations the Holy Bible. But this is not a physical thing, it’s an allegory about where God’s spirit was born on Earth. Again having read several sermons on their site they do have some excellent knowledge of Biblical principles (far better than even the Catholic faith) but in order for anyone to see GOD after they pass away “physically” they must fear and revere the one “True God”. For more information see the website that proves the Lord created mankind and evolution is a lie. It’s created by a space shuttle engineer who reverse engineered the human brain. search for thehighestofthemountains and you will find it and it’s free and there is nothing to join. Remember, even if your religion believes in the one “True” God, you must obey his laws or your religion is worthless.
Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is “no other”.
1 Kings 8:60
so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God and that there is “no other”.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.â
Isaiah 45:18
For this is what the Lord saysâ he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabitedâ he says: âI am the Lord, and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:22
âTurn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Service times on saturday
Do you have any link/source to the original News report they did on the WMS? It was a brief report they aired on their channel when they followed Rebecca to work etc., prior to these interviews airing. Iâve been trying to find it! They showed it to us at our Zion location when it first aired. Definitely worth a watch! (Ex member here)
You can find it by clicking on the news section or searching “Today Show” in the search bar.
I have been attending WMSCOG for 5 years and all the accusations that you heard are false our church gives back and does plenty of volunteer work and we spread the love of mother as it is mentioned in Galatians 4:26 âthe Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our motherâ And we preach the truth of Christ Ahnsanghong and Mother to everyone and if you are interested email me
Megan, do not worry about that. I used to worry that I committed the unforgivable sin as well. I have been told by various knowledgeable men of God that anyone who truly loves God and is searching for the truth has not committed this sin. It is something deeper than words and it can not be committed by accident. I am glad you see this cult is false. Youâll be in my prayers.
You are forgetting that in Revelations 21 also calls the Bride the “Heavenly Jerusalem” which Galatians 4:26 also calls the mother since calls the Jersusalem that is above is free and she is our mother, this is to be a spirtual mother not a physical Jerusalem or city. So if gonna cite a verse should tell the whole verse not one little part.
I did a deep study on this cult as my niece and her family are members. It breaks my heart that so many are twisted by the teachings. They totally contradict what the Bible teaches. This cult will be held accountable for leading so many away from God, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
So many are seeking truth, peace and love in their lives and this cult takes advantage of them in their weaknesses. God will win as I pray for my niece and her family.
Yes. This is a cult as prescribed by Scripture from the Bible.
I am a member, who by the grace of GOD, received my spiritual senses after partaking in Father And Mother’s feasts with faith was revealed by AHN SAHNG-HONG Himself that he is the Holy Spirit who blessed us with the restored passover of the New Covenant with Bread and Wine in the order of Melchizedek fulfilled the mission of the Prophet Elijah by restoring all things of spiritual significance (passover, sabbath, feasts) as well as John the Baptist by giving us the name of the Holy Spirit to fulfill Matthew 28:18 therefore prepared the way for the second coming who was born in 1987 thus fulfilling his two prophecies 1988 is a miscalculation 1948 is the first year counted which is the same as when he said the second coming will come 3years after he ascended. With1985 being the first year counted 85, 86, 87 the same year as the first prophecy stated.
I just hope people know the 10 Commandments are real and to follow them. Heaven is the goal and anything that goes against the 10 Commandments can be held against you when you meet GOD. God doesn’t want that. He wants us to have eternal life with him and not be fooled
How can I order new songs book thank to father God and our mother God
For me they are very nice people. I do not know if real members asked you money or the pretending ones. I recently joined its been 2 months and there is no talk about money but instead they offer me food. So I do not know wtf u joined. But pls do not let yr faith be destroyed because of stupid reasons. U are only asked to keep the passover and prayers so dont overdo it.
I wanna share some things with you i am former member of wmscog cult to
I get why u would want to reinstate passover and the veil for women that all seems good but man it sounds so much like they are piecing it together I need answers like does the Vatican say anything on the subject. And if we are angels does that mean we were kicked out with lucfier
I get why u would want to reinstate passover and the veil for women that all seems good but man it sounds so much like they are piecing it together I need answers like does the Vatican say anything on the subject. And if we are angels does that mean we were kicked out with lucfier?
Mid last year I met a close friend through another friend I help with wedding photography. We decided to go on a trip to shoot a themed styled wedding in another state and the new girl who became my close friend came along. I thought this girl was so friendly and was so happy to have made such a good friend since moving to a new state. The friend mentioned the Passover and the Bible. I asked what the Passover was because I love learning about new stuff. She said sheâd video chat with me and tell me about it for fun. I was like yay friendship Bible bonding time. Then I notice a girl Iâve never met in the group call and my friend says she will teach me…. I was kinda disappointed, but was thinking well I understand if she wants to just have Bible study. Thatâs fine. Well they made me have Bible study several times a week every week. My friend even said I donât have my priorities on god basically because I was busy studying college work. They finally got to part where they said my church is not of god and I need to be rebaptized. Of course I was offended, but they explained so well. So one day I ask to come to interview them for a college assignment and I joke saying maybe Iâll get baptized too while Iâm at it. Of course we ended up planning it…. I finally meet this stranger girl in person and she buys me food and mentions the mother god finally… and Ahn sahng and then says Iâll learn about it later… I go to the baptism, I hear in the name of anh sahng at least 3 times as they pour water over my head and I feel uncomfortable and possible ptsd symptoms days later to the point where Iâm crying for weeks and not sleeping as I realize I was baptized under a false prophet and my friends deceived me. Iâm currently trying to decide rather to delete my first cult friend from fb as she is still super nice to me but a couple days she mentioned studying again and keeping the Passover. I did not reply and when I think about it, I want to throw up. What should I do? The stranger girl says she wants to keep our friendship too.
Actually Eve was the last created so mother which means who you know as per her times knows just what she is created for, Father is the answers!! God bless everybody!!
I am familiar with the world mission society church on god in Middletown, CT and Meriden, CT. You can find members of this cult in front of Stop n Shop and Marshallâs on Saturday in between church services trying to recruit new members. I feel sorry for people involved in this South Korean Cult.
I am currently a new member of this Church in New Zealand and I love and have Faith and respect for everything I have learnt so far.
I too have come to believe that the founder Christ Ahn Sahng Hong is the second coming Christ and I have also come to believe in our Heavenly Mother.
All the negativity towards this Church is expected because until your eyes your heart and your mind are spiritually opened through the Baptism in his name will you come to see the Truth in his teachings.
Let us not forget for even Jesus himself was persecuted tortured then crucified on the cross by non believers.
I was In the WMSCOG when I was an undergraduate student at UCLA. I was studying Piano Performance, and really wanted to play the piano for church services. I practiced the hymns in the New Songs book, learned the churchâs arrangements for the songs, and would play through them in the church after preaching meetings for fun in front of other members. I even asked the Pastor if I could be the churchâs pianist if an opportunity ever came.
Some small opportunities came up, such as when the churchâs pianist went to Korea for a few weeks and a replacement was needed. Instead of asking me to play, the position was given to the Missionaryâs (at the time) wife, who was Korean. She could hardly play the piano, and after struggling through a few services, she stopped playing, and they switched to audio recordings of the songs instead.
A big opportunity for the pianist position came in Reseda Zion because their pianists was moving to West La Zion. Not only did I not get the position, but they gave the position to three Asian females instead. Of these three, only one could kind of play piano. The others could hardly even play! Why would they split the position between three people instead of giving it to one person who could play well and has shown that they could play? I was someone who went to the church regularly, preached regularly, studied piano in college, and even sang in the church choir. I was very qualified for the position. However, because I am African-American, and they prefer to have Asian females play piano, the position was not given to me.
The WMSCOG is a racist church, and their racial hierarchy prioritizes Koreans first, other Asians next, Whites, and then by shades of skin tone. The only reason why I never became the pianist there was because of their racism. Nowadays, I have side jobs playing piano for Orthodox Church services, where I am paid to play as well (I donât think WMSCOG pays their pianist, and I was offering to play for free back then).
I came there as an atheist. They don’t know. hahaha. I came with them because they’re nice, and they are foreigners (an aussie and koreans) and I find them interesting. I was just planning to come once but they became persistent the following days so I came anyway as long as it doesn’t affect my studies. Then I find their “bible story” interesting. As I was on the process of writing a novel I took advantage of it. I got my concepts from the cult so, thanks wmscog friends! They’re so kind I actually wanted to stay there only to hang out with them. But when they finally tell me that the god mother is a person and alive somewhere being treated as a god, I almost puked. I thought I was just fake praying to a dead person but damn. They only tell you bits of their belief at first so you won’t cringe right away and leave.
I lost my daughter to this cult. It saddens me every day that they were able to brain wash her to the point of no return. They are not of God or they would not be breaking families up for financial gains.
I’ve been going to this church since 2016 and alot of good has happened and father and mother has always been there
This religion, church, cult or whatever you want to call it is a complete sham; virtually hypnotizing people. Please read the very bible that they use to contaminate the truth with lies. For starters, they say some commandments are to be kept, but not others, some traditions are to be kept but not others from tithing to sacrificies. Not one God but many gods, even a female god; not one Christ Jesus, but two christ. And the one they claim is christ or god never made the claim that he was god or chirst. Why is everything a secret? You have to have a code for bible study? You can’t ask question. You can’t watch TV or get on the internet. My question is: How is it possible not to see this sham for yourself
Hi this is Arun from New Delhi India
I am the present member of this group (WMSCOG) But i don’t want be going in to this church but i had family pressure please save me and my family i know that this church is not truth and don’t believe in to this
This group is lie please help me
In this photo,
There is no evidence that Ahn Sahng-hong and Jang Gil-ja.
How can you believe it?
Some people approached me preaching about “god the mother”. At first I didn’t know what they were talking about and I looked up the World Mission Society Church of God on the internet and determined that they are a cult with heretical doctrines. I honestly despise them and I think Zhang Gil Jah is a whore.
Please tell me where in the Bible does it say to celebrate Christmas and Easter? Fact is, it is not there, it has pagan roots that have nothing to do with Judeo-Christian beliefs.
THEY GO. BY GENISIS LETUS US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESSTHE US IS GOD THE MOTHER.
And Jerusalem she is our mother the only scripture I’ve seen. The Bible says no man can see God and live Ahnsonghang was god why did no one die? All a big cult most of there books are almost word for word from jehovahs witnesses I’ve read both there books JWz make more sense!
IF AHNSANGHONG CAME A SECOND TIME? THEN WHAT FOR WHY HAS HE NOT TAKEN THE 144000?
REV 2 :17 WHAT IS THE WHITE STONE ?
ANY RELIGION OR ANYBODY THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD GUILTY OR ASHAMED FOR NOT FOLLOWING THIER DOCTRINE IS HYPOCRISEY… PHARISEES ARE IN ALL FALSE RELIGIONS THERE ARE MANY..
‘SEEK YE FIRST THE ‘KINGDOM’ OF ‘GOD’ AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS’…
NEW COVENANT: ONLY ‘TWO’ GREATEST ‘COMMANDMENTS’…LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART MIND AND SOUL AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR – ‘AS’ ‘YOURSELF’ ..TREAT OTHERS THE WAY THE ‘TRUE’ ‘GOD’ TREATS US. 1 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 13
GOD IS SPIRIT GOD IS LOVE.
Your claiming the church follows the Jewish feasts. It was Godâs laws, Rules, and regulations he appointed to the Jews. Which was the old covenant. Jesus established the new covenant⊠so therefore.. the church doesnât follow the Jewish feasts.. who appointed the time? God. Jesus also said his appointed time is near to celebrate the Passover. Christ came back and restored the 7 feasts.. sabbath day.. all the early church regulations.. he came back.. a lot of churches are not on the same page as the feasts days.. there is many other claims on when they are.. the fact Christ came back a second time and taught and restored everything.. you only find yourself fighting against God.
AHNSAHNGHONG IS TRUE GOD YOU BELEIVE OR NOT!!!!
what a poor website so misleading…
My marriage was ruined my this church. My now ex wife has been a member of this church for 2.5 years. Sadly she is forcing our young children to go as well. I firmly and strongly believe if she had never found out about this church from a now ex member we would still be married. I went to the bible study for a few weeks even after bring told I was wrong in everything I believed. I prayed for confirmation that if that was the right place for me I would go. I never got it. I left. I’m very much hoping my ex wife will wake up and leave this damaging cult soon.
so you guys are saying we are saved by the passover and that there is a mother ? and that we where angels ?first of alll this church take verses out of contect in the bible it dosent say that! you guys have to stop interpreting the bibble towers your way no where it say we where angels the reason you say that is because john sed here come someone greater then me that was born first so he is greater than me ! correcct but that dosent mean that we where angels if that so then the bible wont be explaining angels to us or demonds to us. open your as in the bible it saysthat in Jesus name many will come on and they will lead you astray . guys this teaching are false and very dangerous they belive on the mother no where in the bible it says that stop trying to put thing in yah word it dosent make sense the bible its a book for everyone who wants wisdom love compation courage all of this good stuff that wee need in our life not this way of thinking.
I am the member and I am willing to discuss about it. send me an email or we can have an interview if you wish.
church of god are very liars!, i hate them all, i already gave them all this proofs and they said they are fake! omfg!, what a liars i am tired!
My grandson was baptized two weeks ago in this church and we just learned of it today. I touched on the subject lightly questioning where he stood on some of the beliefs purported by this church. They are not inline with what he has believed by attending our church which follows the King James edition of the Bible. I would appreciate advice regarding how I might approach him again because I donât want him to continue in this organization.
I think going to the church learning and studying and based on your âknowledge of the Bible â your able to correct some of the teachingsâŠ.unless itâs the true church.
My grandson has just been baptized at this place and I just learned of it. His other grandmother and I are talking to him about this decision. How may we best approach him?
Thanks for making this website to expose this cult. I am in china, I joined 2017.12.21. left last year, this is such a controlling cult. I lost everything during these years in WMSCOG.Now I have to rebuild my life completely. So much my lifetime wasted.
My girlfriend joined this church. Neither I nor her family has heard from her in weeks. We’re all worried for her. I asked members of the congregation if they had heard from her they say they haven’t. I told them we filed a missing person’s report with the police. They got defensive and said not to involve them (the wmscog) and seemed unconcerned about my girlfriend’s safety. I’m at a loss as what to do. Perhaps hire a private investigator, idk.
omg this is perfect!, the part 10, now they will soon teach that zahng will die like all humans jajajajaja, and that they never teached 144000 will ascend alive!
I find it interesting how you infer heifer to pagan god. Likewise can be found for lamb or cow (male).
Which is deem sacred. The content is kinda skewed the audience -peace-
So what happened to Diane and Tom?? I am so confused at how “God” could not talk to or understand her children?? How did she not know who Tom and his wife were?? My God knows everything I am going through, He knows my name, He holds every tear I cry….
My heart is breaking for the marriages they were talking about falling apart, getting kicked out of church, seeing truth and then being told I love you over and over does not give answers to the hurting. I am not sure that how someone like Zahng Gil Jah would not hurt for someone going through a divorce since she knows exactly how much pain comes from this after going through a divorce of her own…
I pray for the members of this organization that as the Truth is revealed and they begin to search for answers that they faith they have in the scriptures and in God and Jesus will not diminish but grow stronger…families will reunite, hearts are healed and faith restored through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior!!! The Way the Truth and the Life!!!!
I think it is easy to want to believe in things that are seen, Ahn Sahng Hong and Zahng Gil Jah were and are in the flesh, but neither are God, faith is belief in the unseen. Much love and prayers for the members of this organization!
Im so glad I got out of this cult. No where in the Bible does it say anything about God The Mother nor does it say Jesus comes 3x They do not pray in the Name of Jesus Christ. All their prayers are ti Christ Ahnsahnhong Bible clearly states The only way to God The Father is through our saviour Jesus Christ. 4 months later Im still hounded by them, I have told them if they phone me, txt me or come to my home or work place I will go to police. All they want is your Money
The church members were preaching and I thought it might be a good things to spend my time with god, so I went join their seminar regarding Passover. And then, I was baptized by their Holy spirit of “Christ Anh Sahng Hong”, whom I dont even know who was him. After that, they had me to join their so called “bible study”. Everytime in the prayers, they keep mentioning the word “Our Father Anh Sahng Hong” or “2nd coming christ Anh Sahng Hong”. I having a hard time believing that Anh Sahng Hong is a god, and they make me believe that Anh Sahng Hong is the 2nd coming Jesus by saying his baptized year was in 1948 same as Israel gain independence, however, whenever I think back, there’s an argument that Anh Sahng Hong actually year baptized was not in 1948 and even Israel gain independent, there’s still war in there. I did say at this age still dark age since the 2nd coming christ haven’t come and they keep saying that now is no more dark age since 2nd coming Christ already came. I also saw this one video saying that if Anh Sahng Hong really a christ, why would he be born in a Buddhist family, unlike Jesus, who was born as Jewish and Christian, and Jesus was baptized by John as he was shown to the people there on how the baptism is done, not that Jesus from a different religious family. There are a lot of things that can be argued here, but for me here only to emphasize that Anh Sahng Hong is not a god, please do not worship the wrong god, always remember Our Father, Jehovah or Jesus as I believe there’s only one and only Mighty god.
I did a mistake and bought the bible from them, and we don’t even know how they can alter the truth that they tried to avoid me from getting the resource from youtube as they were scared I might discover something. I used to listen to the bible chapters on youtube as listening during bedtime. Recently I am very busy with my work and the church members are so desperate that they come to my house and even knock at my room, what annoy me is they try to say that satan is trying to pull me again from God. The people there are really nice but I think for me to follow their beliefs is really hard, the church members there do not even understand, people work to support living however, they never tried to understand my situation. I really hate that the church members keep coming to my house and try to force me to believe in Anh Sahng Hong, I do believe in God, but not Anh Sahng Hong, I have doubt with this.
we love you god the mother and god the father <3
This is a stupid think when you thought those people are GOD!
The mother now had a big business in Korea and use your money to build her financial empire!
You are scammed and you will never get your life back .
They are using you for their own!!
They are retreating you as slave for them !
How is GOD has a sex and go to bathroom!
Where is your mind !
By the way it is grown up business in Korea and you can see the show on Netflix about these shit ( in the name of GOD – holy betrayal)
Who cares if they indentify me or my family we know the truth and know that Jesus is lord and savior not a former Korean guy born Buddhist then 7th day Adventist who are a heretical group and then starts a church in 1964 and claims he is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ they misinterprete the Bible and are basically modern day judiezer who are under the Old Testament law and command. People of today to be slaves of the Old Testament c
I currently attend this church and I have been there for 10 years, I must say that this church does show you how to be perfect in the eyes of God but I have some doubts since nobody can be perfect no matter how hard you try. But my question is that this church had an article that Ang sang hong was in stated the prophecy of King David. The article was written 3 to 4 before he passed away,He predicted that the 2nd coming must preach for 37 years… and The wmscg stated that he wrote in one of his books that there is one coming after me but she was only 12.. where they got that information from.?
My brother was brain washed and has been a member for two years now he got me into the church about a month ago and i don’t know how to get out
He is my elder brother and i live in his house
MĂ amigo va a esta iglesia y siempre dice que sĂłlo 144 mil pueden cantar las canciones de su himnorio,lo que es gracioso porque cualquier persona que sepa leer partituras puede entonar los cantos ademĂĄs si libro contiene cĂĄnticos e himnos luteranos, Bautistas,catĂłlicos,metodista y pentecostales
You need to download “4K video downloader” so you can download and host these videos as the WMSCOG is systematically trying to remove from youtube.
ANY cult trying to erase negative press obviously doesn’t trust God for vindication and is yet another warning sign that they are very dangerous.
Blood is not god’s seal at all. God’s seal is to do with worship nothing to do with the Passover. I’m glad I got out of this church. They interpret how they want.
Beware: This is the work of the spirit of baal.Do Not Eat with them. What you ingest is very spiritual andthey know this. Beware and Pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They hide behind the Sabbath and head coverings but they have a name for “mother god” and sing in hymns to “her”. Thank you Jesus for revealing these truths.
I look at the document with scrutiny and skepticism. As an analyst, Iâm trying to make sense of the data such as how the data is sort/ written in what order ? (Disclaimer: I canât read korea but Iâm just looking at the numeric presented)
Logically it would have been sorted/ written in the order of Join date or baptism date? (Which the picture doesnât seem to be the case) I did see some similarity in birth year but it would be a strange & tedious way to arrange or find data. (Which baptism / joined date would make more sense)
Upon closer look at the baptism date. There seem to be a digit â 1 â before â7â (or is my eye playing trick with me) 4281 -2333 would be 1948.
If â7â was deceitfully added. Then what creditability does the source have? Was it re written when A.S.H set up his church and ministry (which was also many years back to warranty a book to be yelllow as per Korean blog mention the authenticity of recorded being age)
Just stating my Opinion for your discerning
I can provide some experience
Hey Thanks for your help in exposing the church of god Iâve been struggling with their doctrine for about 3 years now. The only thing I would say to this is they would say Armstrong had Christians as parents and wasnât born without genealogy so he wasnât the real Jesus anyway. What do you make of this?
My sister and her family joined this cult less than 4 months ago and she has been completely brain washed. I am heart broken on how the truth goes over her and her husbands head. Her ultimate response now is everything on the internet about this cult is false and just basic research man has implemented as real as Micheles court documents were they were not enough to show how wrong this church is. She also will be little your questions when it’s something she or her members do not know. So now I’m considered an unchosen heathen and she and her family are the blessed ones and they did their job by telling us the truth. They taught them to go verse by verse but not full passages she contradicts herself and its supposed be because not everyone will get it… Aside from all of this her kids are being taught this lie which hurts!! From all the former members i heard testimonies about I would hate to loose my sister especially her kids. Zhang gil Jah and Joo Cheol Kim will be judged so hard if they don’t tell the actual truth just money hungry evil people.
A girl I use to date tried recruiting me to that church. She told me I was ” chosen “. I grew up in the Seventh Day Church of GOD in Jamaica but we do NOT pray to no ” mother god” or ” christ ahn Sahnghong “. We believe in the only one true GOD. Long story short we dated for a year with some issues but we were always sexually active even after she took the ” passover”. When I started going to that church I realized it was a cult. I warned her a few times about but she’s so brainwashed that she cannot see the truth. I really hope GOD help her to open her eyes.
I was a member for 9 years. I last attended in 2019. I just wanted to say that I appreciate what youâre doing here with your website. This is all so accurate and spot on. âOwn mindâ *cringe* How extraordinarily harmful those words were for me. I became a shell of a person filled with self-hatred (the goal). Reading all of this does make me uncomfortable, because it brings back the experience, but Iâm glad to be on the other side of all of it. I had a mental breakdown from the pressure of it all (I was there 7 days a week for years and was terrified of the end of the world) and it wasnât until I had that break from attending that I allowed myself to really explore the doubts I had. I decided to âeat from the tree of knowledge of good and evilâ and go on the internet to look up some things I had been wondering about, and it was a lot to take in.
It took a while for me to drop the language. It was my therapist, who specializes in cults, who pointed out the way I was speaking, and that that was part of the mind control. I still canât talk about the Bible without my voice falling back into thatâŠaccent. Anyway, I hope this site helps people.
Ah yes! Many of these were things that helped break the spell of blind faith. Especially the tax and financial documents. I remember being utterly appalled when I read the reason for starting the church. I thought, how could pastor write such blasphemy on the tax form! And then in the financial documents it said that members were paid for caring for the children. Well I was in the kids room for years and I never saw a penny. It was our blessing, our mission, we didnât expect to get paid. But what I realized is that the church was/is engaging in tax fraud.
About number 10, Iâve been wondering how they were going to play that. Sheâs getting closer to the end of her life. We were absolutely told that she would never die. That we would go up to heaven alive with her (if we were the 144,000). For that reason I have been waiting for her death ever since I left the church. I donât mean that in a malicious way. Of course I donât wish an early death on anyone. What I mean is Iâve been waiting for her death because her dying would prove she isnât God. Sometimes I have moments where for a second I become paralyzed with fear because of the thought I was wrong for leaving, and that it all really is the truth. I donât know if that will ever go away. Maybe it just takes time. But if she were to die, no, when she dies, everything else topples. I feel like Iâll be free.
You’re wrong because they were teaching their new âfamilyâ, âThe Bible only predicts that Jesus will rise, not that our father and mother god will not die.â
In Case You’re wondering how I know, I just joined this church a week ago and they said that.
First off, yes correct, the We Love You Foundation is a front, and we were told not to disclose any relationship to the church. The goal of the foundation is actually to âbring glory to motherâ. One of the prophecies that need to be fulfilled is for the glory of mother to be seen throughout the whole world. This is to be done by helping mother win the Nobel peace prize. We were reminded at every volunteer event that the purpose was to bring glory to mother and preach (indirectly if it was a We Love You event).
Second, Daejayon is another front. This is on college campuses. Itâs an environmental group meant to find new members on campus by getting them to join and participate in the club.
Finally, I am certain Big Shine is just for money laundering. The âemployeesâ are all church members. And the way the money movesâŠ
Thank you for covering this. This hit home. I felt rage while reading this. They failed me. Worse than that, they really harmed me. I almost committed suicide. And they blamed me for not having enough faith. âDonât you want to be an ox?â He asked me as I sat in the office. Next to me was my team leader, who had told me previously to stop thinking about myself in the midst of me having hallucinations and panicking. A few months later is when I had a total mental breakdown. I guess I should thank them, because that was the only thing that got me to stop attending. Ugh.
It’s not just that their teachings don’t add up, their practices don’t add up either – they make fun of the Jews for following the Old Testament, yet they follow the Festivals from the Old Testament; other religions are stupid for having idols, yet they idolize and sing songs about a Korean man as “the new Christ”; they require tithe but nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus say you must do that; and the Apostles also do not preach the Passover, yet that is the Way to Heaven. They’re hypocrites.
I am so ashamed of myself for believing them. I have a friend that is highly invested in wmscog. I dont know how to tell him the truth without offending him and his belief in them. I will never forgive myself if i do nothing about it.
I was approached recently by a member of this community. Thank you for keeping this site up to decipher their mission, and for me to easily be ready next time. Reading the Bible out of context is VERY dangerous and can lead you wayward.
nvm, please ignore delete that… I see ch 36 now
This church is nothing but a cult. Praying to Christ Ahnsonghong and Mother God alive in Korea. According to them Christ has been a second time. Utter rot. Where in bible does it mention mother god in kore, christ ahnsonghong for that matter. They say he cane to restore feasts…. Utter rubbish the feasts were nailed to the cross. Anyone teaching what is not in bible is a false prophet. Im glad i got out of this False Church.
Thank you so much for providing such detail, thorough, researched evidence of how this church operates. I participated in these events for years and felt so proud of it but now all I feel is resentment for not seeing the hypocrisy and wasting sooo much of my time, energy, and money on their nonsense. When youâre deep in it, you just canât think for yourself. You think you can, but youâre not.
Thank you so much for sharing this. Coming out of that church left me with so much resentment. For 8 years I struggled so much with my finances & when I only gave the minimum I could afford I felt soooo guilty. All that time I couldâve not struggled so much or put that money towards experiences and opportunities that would enrich my life. I couldâve saved up to buy a house or a car. But just left picking up the broken pieces. Just used and tossed aside. Please if anyone is thinking of giving anything to this church, just donât. Please research them well. They will pretend to care about you but all they care about is numbers. Youâre just another number to them. I was once a leader and all I could think about was my numbers, how many of my members were attending, preaching, tithing, etc. I did care about them as ppl but mostly I was just stressed about keeping them there bc per the church my salvation depended on those #s. & at the end of the day, most of those relationships are surface level in the real world. Once I stopped going, absolutely no one reached out to me to ask how I was or why I stopped. I was grateful but also deeply saddened to realize that I really meant nothing to any of them. Just another number.
What also sucks is that itâs so difficult to find a job that will allow you to never work on saturdays, I had to turn down sooo many great job offers. I was never able to take jobs that would eventually lead me to a M-F job that would pay very well and give me more financial freedom. Didnât happen until after I left. Now I have an amazing well paying job working M-F but Iâm still struggling to pay off all the debt I racked up during all the years I attended that church. The pressure is so real, especially when youâre made to feel like your soul will be condemned to hell if you donât squeeze out every penny you have.
Soo, youâre saying even Ahnsahnghong didnât fulfill his own requirements of Elijah (technically Ahnsahnghong said itâŠ)
The WMSCOG misleads people by teaching that the Elohim creator is plural. The reason people fall into their trap is bc of almost every personâs lack of understanding the Hebrew language, & particularly, Hebrew grammar (which is understandable).
If the creator elohim being described in Gen 1:26-27 was indeed plural, the verbs used to describe that elohim beingâs creation work would be plural.
As it is, the Hebrew verbs used to describe the Creator in Gen 1:27 are singular verbs. Meaning the Creator Elohim is not plural, but singular.
Compare that to Ps 82:1 This verse shows that the Creator (a singular elohim being; Yahweh) speaking to other (lesser) elohim beings (multiple Elohim beings).
B/c of of the verbs used in Hebrew, we can know that the Elohim Creator in Gen 1 is not plural, but singular. Thus, the WMSCOGâs distortion of the meaning elohim is just another example of what they do best (2 Peter 3:15-16).
Iâve been attending this church for a year now and I am thinking of leaving, I know God ask of us to keep the Sabbath and passover but worshiping a person doesnât feel organic. Also some of the rules feel bizarre and tyrannical, I refuse to accept That a loving almighty God has that personality.or is concern about minuscule things, They do a lot of bible studies must most of the time if feels like a lot of Cherry picking to validate what theyâre trying to have me learn at the moment, I also have a sense of bible worshiping not taking at all into account the actual story of the Bible, I like the people there everyone is nice and sweet and I donât have much of a social life outside of church. So I am split, I know they are not my friends and will forget about me the moment I stop going.
thank you so much for your help to allow me to see that itâs not the true church i wasted enough time there. thank you!
The bible says that the GOOD NEWS will be preach until the end of the world swiftly. I say Amen Hope you will someday.
Thanks to Father and Mother. God Elohim our God the Father Ahnsahnghong and God the Mother Zahng Gil Jah are the true God who created heavens and the earth and who give to all humankind the promise of Eternal Life.
Thanks to Father and Mother. Satanic Elohim our Satanic Father Ahnsahnghong and Satanic the Mother Zahng Gil Jah are the true Satan who created sin and misery and who give to all humankind the promise of Eternal Suffering.
They literally call depression, spiritual leprosy ( leprosy like job). They have no solution for it, but rather just brush it off as it’s your problem and if you stay depressed then God doesn’t want you. In their own words!
I’m so scared, every time I read on this web page, I don’t know what to do, can some ex members tell me on what true they are? I don’t wanna leave the Church, but i don’t know is this the true or not, im doubting, im so afraid of hell and i don’t wanna go to that place, some one please help me, can you guys give me solid proof that Ahs and Zahng aren’t god?
Wmscog is not racist be for real
please send me some information to pull my daughter from this church. This church is consuming all of her
Hello, my name is Eric and work for a law firm named Grachev in the city of Toronto. I am doing a research to find out some facts about World Mission Society Church of God. Abbreviation is WMSCOG. Would you please verify and explain if the information below is correct.
1. Is it right that WMSCOG does NOT allow participants to take pictures or videos?
2. Is it right that WMSCOG does NOT provide baptism certificate?
3. Is it right that WMSCOG does NOT provide any document/certification for the members of the Church proofing that they belong to the Church?.
Thank you very much for your assistance.
eric.
They are a cult I attended one service and when you disagree
With what they believe they throw you out of their church
I was researching a lot of their verses and sayings that they used in their teachings and I felt so upset and disappointed in myself that I believed in their nonsense. I learned from a friend about them and slowly I was dragged in with false hope and promises they told me about the afterlife. They told me that each soul that passes the gate of heaven gets the power of creation (which is absurd) and that they can create anything and everything they imagine (which sounds like fantasy). I was dragged in and to be honest at first I’ve bitten the catch they had in store for me. But a year and a half later I started to feel more doubt that would often lead to me and my friend having arguments where he’d tell me that I’m overthinking the whole thing and that no matter what they say or do it’s all for the God’s (Father and Mother) pleasure. After a while I left without a word and never came back to their meeting place. Overall it was a confusing and weird experience that still haunts me till this day.
Hello, I am so confuse now. Should I continue to go to zion or should I stop? I am scared because it could cause my soul send to hell. I wish God will guide me to see the truth. Zang gil Jah commit adultery because she got divorce. I want to know more why she not marry ahn when they are single. And if Zang gil Jah is God she should know when is the end of the world because only God knows the end. If she is God she should know. And matthew 6:1 said don’t show righteousness but they always command us to do cleaning and blood drive to show righteousness. Everything is conflicted.
The world mission society church of god in Middletown, Connecticut is causing trouble in my town. So many people forced to clean the church and go to services 12 hours a day all weekend. Not to mention they demand so much money! Thank you for this wonderful interview, which I know will help people starting to question the church
“I am a Catholic. When I was in 7th grade, a Korean guy courted me, but I didn’t want to date at such a young age. We became official when I was in 9th grade. Later, I found out that he is a member of the World Mission Society Church of God. I didn’t break up with him immediately because he was deeply in love with me and promised to leave the organization for me. However, I was afraid that they would ruin my life, so I ultimately decided to break up with him and let him remain a member of the church. I cried all night after the breakup.”
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I am here, I was born on 09/28/1988.
My name is Billy Gilliland
On 4/23/2000 I came in contact with the light bearer.
ALL PRAISE BE TO ELOHIM GOD đ
a pseudo (World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG)
http://godnara.egreef.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=07_01_eng
These creeps are going around my city now.
They got real upset that I knew about Ahn sang Hong. I got it out of them that no-one is supposed to tell anyone about this until 3 months of study. More like brainwashing.
The Church of God has been in litigation with victim organizations for seven years, from December 2013 to October 2020, and currently has approximately 150 civil and criminal cases pending. South Korean courts have ruled against the Church of God as follows.
[Case No. 2015NA2032729] The Church of God repeatedly preached the end of the world from 1988 to 2012, and trillions of dollars in assets amassed by the Church of God have been linked to the end of the world.
[Case No. 2016DO21129] The Church of God has conducted trainings that promote divorce and family breakdown, and several divorces have occurred.
[Case No. 2015No542] A Church of God member tied a 4-year-old child’s hands with a tie, taped his mouth shut, and assaulted his mother with a knife for over an hour in front of the child.
[Case No. 2017NA2069268] The Church of God taught that unbelieving husbands and family members are demons and that earthly families are fake. It also taught that failure to tithe and evangelize is a curse from God.
The Church of God has been in litigation with victim organizations for seven years, from December 2013 to October 2020, and currently has approximately 150 civil and criminal cases pending. South Korean courts have ruled against the Church of God as follows.
[Case No. 2015NA2032729] The Church of God repeatedly preached the end of the world from 1988 to 2012, and trillions of dollars in assets amassed by the Church of God have been linked to the end of the world.
[Case No. 2016DO21129] The Church of God has conducted trainings that promote divorce and family breakdown, and several divorces have occurred.
[Case No. 2015No542] A Church of God member tied a 4-year-old child’s hands with a tie, taped his mouth shut, and assaulted his mother with a knife for over an hour in front of the child.
[Case No. 2017NA2069268] The Church of God taught that unbelieving husbands and family members are demons and that earthly families are fake. It also taught that failure to tithe and evangelize is a curse from God.
This church views members as a dollar sign and everything is transactional with them. I was a member for 2 years. I left once I realized how they were using me for money. They told me to break up with my boyfriend. What made me leave is when they start telling me not to bring my coworker that was autistic. And that I should bring people that are rich into the church. Just save your time and leave. Theyâre good at manipulating. And if you have family members that go there do not argue with them, because the church will separate your family from you. They will gaslight and tell them â youâre blessed because youâre being persecutedâ and the members become even more involved. Let your family member see their true colors on their own. Thatâs what I did, nobody could say anything to me about this church. But one day I learned from my mistake.
Good afternoon,
I am the Community Director of Sahara West, the apartment community directly behind your church. You have a painting project going on and your painters have created a huge mess on our property that needs to be cleaned. – there is paint that has run off onto our parking lot. They were very rude and uncooperative when we spoke to them. Contact me to make arrangements to have this taken care of. I do not want to pursue this further so please correct the situation.
Hola! su pagina es oro puro para estudiar sobre esta secta y compartir con las personas que se encuentran dentro de ella, ayer una joven me estaba compartiendo sobre lo que piensan. Por favor, alguno podrĂa enviarme material (en español) sobre ellos?? sean documentos, videos, etc.. Los videos que estĂĄn en esta pagina estĂĄn en ingles y no tienen subtĂtulos đ
I got a women invite in the street of Deajeon, South Korea. I was soo much out of mind! What? A women is the bride of Jesus?!!! She had a husband also! She is what?! Why she born in Korea?! Where jesus then!
Is it all the false mesiha stuff here! Shit she try to brain wash me
I am Muslim and I believe is jesus as god chosen one. But here I see jesus family.
Hello,
I have heard that there will be/is already a new WMSCOG location in Hillsboro/Beaverton Oregon? Anybody know anything about this?
Jimmy
So happy to find you on the web. I have a grandson who has fell into the same domination that you are talking about. He preaches to me and tells me I am going to hell. He tries to get me to sit down and study the Bible with him.. His mother will be delighted to watch these videos. It will help us to understand WMS and hopefully get him out of that Church,
This group will surely get exposed,not only have they butcher the holy scriptures but this propaganda movement is leading many separated from the most high,what a shame, just like the jehova false witnesses, if you have to fill out all this information like a job interview you better run and run far away…red flag đ© at its finest
My comment is short only. I believe the 2nd coming of Christ and female God.
Idk about all the ones that claim they were in the dark about the teachings of the Church God. When I first came across 2 ladies inviting me to a Bible Study, they made me aware of God the Father and the Mother… I am not yet baptized, currently, attend Bible study (at my own will and when I have time), and have attended one service, with this said, nothing has been forced on me. I believe that we all should join any church that makes us feel at peace or study on our own, either way, you will find what you are looking for. Blessings to all those seeking the light.
Hello there. I am making videos to hopefully bring down this corrupt organization. If you would like here is my channel.
https://youtu.be/_tiiJekUBU0?si=1fNA9hPN_mqiIZwl
For any WMSCOG members, Please red the Bible for yourself.. Ahn Sing Hong is not Jesus and there is no 40 year prophecies in the Bible.
Here is how you know the WMSCOG is wrong with the 40 year Prophecy. First off any Bible Scholar will tell you that the ministry of Jesus could of been longer or shorter than 3 years it is an approximation based on counting the number of ceremonial Feast recorded that Jesus attended after his baptism . Because it is approximate it can’t be linked to any prophecy (we really do not know the length of Jesus’s ministry). Second King David’s reigning as King at 30 and Jesus been baptized at 30 is not Prophetic in any way and not one scripture supports that claim. Age 30 was a preferred age for a Rabbi to start his journey, but is not set in stone. 30 is just a most likely an age for maturity in Jewish culture. Jonah’s 3 days in the fish is prophetic of the death and resurrection of Jesus not his ministry.
what is the book that you point in the chapter 36?Book of what?
As a former member the church seems to be all fine and dandy when you’re inside but the love only is for the members if you are not a member they don’t show you that love they teach about ladder of your life should be where it’s God husband so on and so forth down the line what they leave out is there’s only time for God there’s no time for anything else you miss kids games practices when you are an outsider looking in you have to rearrange your whole life to participate with somebody that’s in there but that always changes because in the small churches they call them house churches because they’re at someone’s house they only operate normally about three times a month and then you got to go to a temple so now you got to pay for hotel rooms or get up and travel very early in the morning they teach about you are supposed to have your home in order before you enter the church but there is no room for home because everything is about the church you are not you are not allowed to watch TV you’re not allowed to preach the old people for homeless so only people with money can go to heaven and to go on with that even further if you are in the smaller groups house churches it doesn’t really matter what is going on because if you are not the one paying the most money you have no say in any of the rules because everything in that church is subject to change at the drop of a hat it’s all right to treat people wrong it is okay to do what you want to do as long as you’re paying money I still really don’t know how to figure out how this is not on a government watch list for terrorist they say about all the good things they’ve done but looking at it it looks like they are trying to get enough people all over the world to control the world
What can you say about that WMSCOG got recognition from Queen Elizabeth .
âUK Zion, a volunteer group associated with WMSCOG in the UK, did receive the Queenâs Award for Voluntary Service in 2016â
âSome WMSCOG sources may state or imply that the Queen âpraisedâ their theological teachings (e.g. belief in âGod the Motherâ) or that the award implies approval of doctrine. I found no credible source that shows the Queen ever officially endorsed or recognized WMSCOGâs religious doctrines.
âą The process for the Queenâs Award for Voluntary Service involves nomination, verification of volunteer service, and final formal approval, but not theological vetting. â
I have a beloved one in this church Iâm learning how delicate the situation is đ„čđ„
I literally have read all comments available via YouTube and this site and let me humbly say, the 2 make more sense then any doctrine Iâve heard from my 2 sisters and a friend of mines in the past decade Iâve known of its existence.