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[Originally posted by Adam on August 1, 2011 6:00 PM on What is the New Name in Revelation? and moved by admin to the Forum]
Again you are using parts of sentences to “prove” something. Self proclamation identifies a false prophet. The name of God is Jesus in the age from Jesus until the last days. In the last days, Christ is to appear as a man. The first part you quoted from revelation has nothing to with the new name. It is speaking about the 7 churches…
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[Originally posted by Adam on August 1, 2011 6:00 PM on What is the New Name in Revelation? and moved by admin to the Forum]
Again you are using parts of sentences to “prove” something. Self proclamation identifies a false prophet. The name of God is Jesus in the age from Jesus until the last days. In the last days, Christ is to appear as a man. The first part you quoted from revelation has nothing to with the new name. It is speaking about the 7 churches…
I agree, ahnsanghong does say "Now there are many false christs who say "I am the christ"as Jesus prophesied that false christ would appear in the last days. However, salvation is found in no other name than Jesus, not only at his first coming but even in the last days" G.B. chapter 12 pg87 eng 1ed. 2010 Why would he say no other name than Jesus even in the last days, if he knew it would be a new name?
chapter 16 pg 116 Therefore the gospel [lighting]-the light of life-will come from the east, Korea, and be preached to the whole world like lighting in a flash. lighting represents that the gospel, which has not been accomplished for the past 1,900 years, will be completed within 37 years
question: did he mean the 37 yrs that he preached the gospel before he died, or are we to count from 1948 when he was baptised or 1967 when he celebrated the passover & established the church???
question: did he mean the 37 yrs that he preached the gospel before he died, or are we to count from 1948 when he was baptised or 1967 when he celebrated the passover & established the church???
chapter 16 pg 116 Therefore the gospel [lighting]-the light of life-will come from the east, Korea, and be preached to the whole world like lighting in a flash. lighting represents that the gospel, which has not been accomplished for the past 1,900 years, will be completed within 37 years
I don't know from what time period he meant this, but if it will help the book I have from a friend says Korean first edition 1980, so that would make it 32 yrs ago.(I also see the paragraph you are speaking off, his book is also an English 2010 edition)
If it was from 1967 when he established the church then it would be 45 years ago.
If we go by the time he was baptise, 1948 that would be 64 years ago, so the 37 year time period has already passed and so that gospel should have been preached to the whole world.
However, salvation is found in no other name than Jesus, not only at his first coming but even in the last days" G.B. chapter 12 pg87 eng 1ed. 2010 Why would he say no other name than Jesus even in the last days, if he knew it would be a new name?
Good point, I don't think God would want to confuse us like that, although the bible does talk about a new name in revelation I believe. He does say even in the last days Jesus name
Or does it mean from 1980 when he wrote the book?
Simon wrote:
Or does it mean from 1980 when he wrote the book?
yes that is what I also said.So looking at all these possibilites, it seems like the 37 yrs already came and left. So when the gospel is completed it means the whole world hears it, so after the whole world hears the good news the end is suppose to come.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24:13-15 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
My question is how do we know if the whole world has heared the gospel? aside from experiencing the end results, like is there a sign we should be looking out for.
Missed that part of the post
Hey Simon, do you have an answer for me on my question. I 'am going to ask my friend but I can not wait till I contact him. I would like to get an answer now, that is if there is an answer to my question. Is there any verse in the bible that would give us the answer.
My question is how do we know if the whole world has heared the gospel? aside from experiencing the end results, like is there a sign we should be looking out for.
I am unaware of any sign, but we can be sure it hasn't occured yet. As Joshua has stated from his own missionary experience.
This is real curiosity…is there any difference if he was called Jesus or Yeshua? Almost every Christian goes by His Jesus name.
Iesous was the transliteration because that was the only way to get a y (yud) sound in Latin then Is got changed to Js back when they sounded like Ys (yuds) and all male names ended with consonants in greek hence the s sound at the end
Hal wrote:
Elievalkyrie wrote:
This is real curiosity…is there any difference if he was called Jesus or Yeshua? Almost every Christian goes by His Jesus name.
Yes. The name Jesus is Latin for Iesous…Iesous was a Greek demigod like Promethious and was the Greek god of healing.
the etymology of the name of Jesus (without any pagan references) is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_%28name%29#Etymology_and_origins
This is cool stuff. Thanks for the info guys! ^__^
The sign that everyone has heard the truth? I don’t think there will be a sign. Because some people are destined not to hear. Some people will die before hearing the “truth”. But, perhaps the whole world coming to an end will be the sign. Idk.. that’s my guess. I don’t remember learning about that.
Well, the deadline for the Gospel Age is 2012 according to members and some non-members. So that is probably the sign they are thinking of. Simon said he believes recruiters will no longer tell recruits they can become one of the 144,000 after that. That would be deceptive. Renita, by your own description of the Gospel Age and its ending, we will no longer live in our physical bodies on earth. So if it doesn't happen in 2012, that should be the end of ALL preaching if we want to draw a reasonable conclusion.
Yea, it should be. There aren’t any ages after this as described in the saviour of each age and christ ahnsahnghong. As MJ put it.. this is it!
Except the Gospel age isn't technically the same as a saviour age, after all the gospel age crosses two ages, the Age of the Son and The Age of the Holy Spirit.
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Well, the deadline for the Gospel Age is 2012 according to members and some non-members. So that is probably the sign they are thinking of. Simon said he believes recruiters will no longer tell recruits they can become one of the 144,000 after that. That would be deceptive. Renita, by your own description of the Gospel Age and its ending, we will no longer live in our physical bodies on earth. So if it doesn't happen in 2012, that should be the end of ALL preaching if we want to draw a reasonable conclusion.
That's just it different Zions teach COMPLETELY different things, which means different preaching will occur in different places. In fact we were told certain things were necessary for salvation (such as disciples seminar) but someone from Seattle came not only was she not told that it was necessary they don't even have it there (not at the time yet)
Yea, we didn’t have a seminar in seattle zion. Idk even know what that is. From what you say, simon, the gospel age is the preaching. If the preaching stops, what will be the point of us remaining on earth?
The gospel age (as explained here) is the gathering the 144000 not the preaching per say. furthermore the WWIII must reach conclusion before the 144000 go to heaven alive.
The purpose of preaching is to find the 144000… so preaching is a major part of the this gospel age.
The purpose of preaching is actually to find both, 144000 is primary but the Great Multitutde is a purpose too and once the 144000 are found the purpose shifts to only the great multitude.
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