- Topic
As wmscog says Ahnshahnhong preached for 37 years from 1948 when he was baptized in SDA(Seventh day adventist) till his death in 1985 +3 years of Jesus Christ’s preaching = 40 years reign of King David (the reason for his qualification of 2nd coming/ the root of david). I want to ask wmscog –
Q1- why then he left SDA and opened a new church?
Q1a-Was SDA doctrine wrong? If yes :Then why he got baptized in a wrong doctrine? Didn’t he know it already being 2nd christ? (Possible Answer)-May be he had no other way because no “true” church existed.
Q1b-So why he took 16 years to open a new church? (Possible Answer)-Maybe because he had to do hard work (Stone carrying as shown in wmscog videos) for a living during the day and had little time in the night to write his books (why din’t Jesus write any book?).
Q1c-So why did God put so much burden on his shoulders? (Not fair. 1st coming christ had only 1 assignment. Poor 2nd coming.)
Q2- Was SDA right? Then why open a new doctrine?
Q3-As Ahnshahnhong started a new church in 1964 and stared preaching new ways of Gospel, then he only scored 1964 to 1985 =21 years. So he comes short 16 years to be eligible for Christship. Oooops!! (Christship is a new word I discovered due to the need on the “new age”). (Possible Solution)-May be they can add sweet 16 years of ‘mother’ who must not be a mother at that age i guess and must be beautiful to qualify to be the bride of the Lamb/Ahnshahnhong/….(somebody please write here the name of Mother’s fist husband)!!
warrior wrote:
Hi The Unknown, that depends which book of the bible you read. According to John, Jesus was crucified on the passover day (which would mean he never actually kept it..)
John 19:14 – It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. “Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. 15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!” “Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.
So which verse do you accept? Matthew (jesus keeping the passover and being crucified on friday) or John (jesus being crucified on the passover and not keeping it)
Hello Warrior, I will kindly point out your error and the fact that you don't truly know or understand the scriptures.
Both verses are correct. Especially the book of John, was written by Apostle John who had great understanding. You quoted John 19:14-16 however this is not a testimony that Jesus was crucified on the Passover day(meaning the 14th day of the 1st month at twilight) If you insist that, you clearly testify that you don't know the scriptures. First of all there was no new testament written in the time when Jesus was on the earth, so you must understand the Passover according to the Old Testament, because that was the Passover the Jews and Chief priest wanted to be able to keep. So what is written in Ezekiel 45:21:.. the Passover a feast lasting 7 days…
The Passover was called a feast lasting 7 days. So that was what the people of Isreal called it. Anytime within that "7day period" at that time of year was known as "Passover". John;s testimony is no different than the other Apostles. You just have to have good knowledge and understanding of the Bible to understand his testimony. Scripture can not contradict Scripture in any way, shape or form. If it did, then the bible wouldnt be true. If you testify that John's testimony contradicts the other Apostles or that any of their testimony isn't valid, then you testify that the bible, which is the Word of God is not flawless, which would defeat the purpose of believing in God. Also to further confirm that Jesus ate the Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month, according to the appointed time in the bible, is as follows
Mark 14:12 it is written… when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus sent disciples to make preparations to keep the passover
Luke 22:7-8 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover Lamb had to be sacrificed . Jesus sent Peter and JOHN, saying, go, and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.
Luke 22:14-15 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer".
Matthew 26:17-19 also confirms this fact. The same testimony was given by 3 different witnesses. So what did Jesus say in John 8:17: In your law it is written that the testimony of 2 witnesses is true
However this testimony that Jesus and the disciples kept the Passover is recorded by 3 witnesses.
sorry you are greatly mistaken.
UNKNOWN, Your question was the following:
was Jesus in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights? No he wasn't. According to the
Bible's explanation, Jesus wasn't in the grave for 72 hours(3 days and 3 nights) he was in the grave for a total of 36 hours. Do the math. So according to "the math" Jesus was a false Christ because he wasn't in the grave for 72 hours, 3 days and 3 nights. I would love to hear anyone's explanation of how this is incorrect. But no one will because you're all in error because you don't the scripture. So moving along…
ใ
So why are you debating day & night with me? I clearly gave you the explanation to your question and you turn it around into another topic
We were not discussing day & night can you please stick to the topic
that was not the original question! Come on move it along……(whistling)
UNKNOWN, Your question was the following:
was Jesus in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights? No he wasn't. According to the
Bible's explanation, Jesus wasn't in the grave for 72 hours(3 days and 3 nights) he was in the grave for a total of 36 hours. Do the math. So according to "the math" Jesus was a false Christ because he wasn't in the grave for 72 hours, 3 days and 3 nights. I would love to hear anyone's explanation of how this is incorrect. But no one will because you're all in error because you don't the scripture. So moving along…
ใ
So why are you debating day & night with me? I clearly gave you the explanation to your question and you turn it around into another topic
We were not discussing day & night can you please stick to the topic
that was not the original question! Come on move it along……(whistling)
to be fair you brought it up so hes probably challenging the thing he knows how to ๐
to be fair you brought it up so hes probably challenging the thing he knows how to ๐
I'm sorry come back Simon I am not understanding what you are saying. What did I bring up?
I'm sorry come back Simon I am not understanding what you are saying. What did I bring up?
Hi Unknown! Thanks for answering (still havent answered my pm though!) . Well, the Passover is the feast lasting 7 days yes (actually its the feast of unleavened bread, the passover is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread). But anyway, if you see
John 18:28: 28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”
They wanted to eat the Passover. Then its clearly talking about the feast of the passover, the 14th day of the first month. Read John 18 and 19 and you will have the full understanding.
Hi Unknown! Thanks for answering (still havent answered my pm though!) . Well, the Passover is the feast lasting 7 days yes (actually its the feast of unleavened bread, the passover is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread). But anyway, if you see
John 18:28: 28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”
They wanted to eat the Passover. Then its clearly talking about the feast of the passover, the 14th day of the first month. Read John 18 and 19 and you will have the full understanding.
The Hebrew of Ezekiel uses Passover not Unleavened Bread
But also some Pharisaic Jews keep two Passover Seders even to this day one 1/14 and one 1/15 so there is not need to see a contradiction. Sure it makes his (?) question have appearence merit but its still wrong.
The Hebrew of Ezekiel uses Passover not Unleavened Bread
But also some Pharisaic Jews keep two Passover Seders even to this day one 1/14 and one 1/15 so there is not need to see a contradiction. Sure it makes his (?) question have appearence merit but its still wrong.
Storm wrote:
I'm sorry come back Simon I am not understanding what you are saying. What did I bring up?
sunset vs sunrise
Storm wrote:
I'm sorry come back Simon I am not understanding what you are saying. What did I bring up?
sunset vs sunrise
Simon wrote:
The Unknown wrote:
First of all, Show me some scripture that testifies that any of Jesus 12 disciples were baptized by John the baptist. You will find no record of that in the BIBLE.
John 1:35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”
39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
So I will admit I stand partially corrected because of what is written in John 1:35-39 shows two of them did follow John the Baptist however, I say partially because I said, "show me verses that testify that any of the disciples were baptized by John the Baptist." There is no verse in the bible which quotes that. I should have made myself more clear beacause the same disciples that "followed" John the baptist didn't even know that he was the Elijah (Matthew17:1-13) They asked Jesus "why then do the teachers of the Law say that Elijah must come first?" and after Jesus explained, it says, Then they knew he was talking to them about John the baptist.
The Unknown wrote:
WMSCOG does not teach Christ Ahnsahnghong was a Buddist…Thats nonsense.
That's what Deacon Murray Withacker (can't remember how to spell it exactly) Deacon Justin (never learned his last name) and Pastor Daniel Park (who taught pastors before coming to the USA) ALL taught me
I personally know Pastor Daniel & Deacon Murray. I remember the day Deacon Murray was baptized. Let me ask you, are either one of them a living witness? Were they baptized by Christ Ahnsahnghong? No they weren't. So if they did teach you that, then, Shame on them. As I said, show me a Senior Pastor or Pastor, that is a living witness of Christ Ahnsahnghong, that was there when He was on the earth. None of them will testify that he was a buddist. You don't know about Pastor Daniel or his History before or during the Church of God. Gods will is being done. I will leave that at that.
And God knew you were not a faithful servant so God didn't allow you to see what is precious to Gods true children with your own eyes. Just like Jesus didnt take Judas when he transfigured and revealed to them his true glory (Matthew 17:1-3) If Jesus had taken Judas w/him, then all the doubt Judas had about Jesus would had disappeared. However Judas wasn't faithful to Jesus, the apostles knew his sin the whole time he was following Jesus (John 12:1-6)
nonsense again I have found that the more faithful tend to be the ones who fall away. I had less than zero doubt.
and no the apostles did NOT know Judas's sin the whole time… it was revealed later. Otherwise they would never have questioned whenever Jesus spoke mysterously about one of them betraying him.
This shows your lack of understanding again… For what did Judas betray Jesus, for 30 silver coins. In other words, he did it for money… While he was following Jesus, he never overcame his sin, as a theif. The fact that he stole money from Jesus and the disciple while he followed shows his greed and love for money, and in the end, he betrayed Jesus for money. This was made very clear that the disciples and Jesus knew about it in John 12:1-6
You said God doesn't need to worry about anyone slandering his church or make counter measures to defend the truth. If that's true then all the Apostles who wrote in the new testament are false disciples of a false christ because, didnt they defend the truth they taught and warn the members of the Early Church?
Can you show where they sued detractors book, chapter and verse?
Show me a verse that says God or the true Church of God is not supposed to sue anyone??? There isn't a single verse. But to further prove my point it is written in Hebrews 2:14-17: Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity… For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in everyway
There is no exception for the words "…in every way" this means everything that you can experience as a person, every thought, feeling, emotion, hardship etc.., that you can experience, God had to come in the flesh and experience. So on judgment day no one can have an excuse.
God sueing anyone isn't against the Bible. God came in the Flesh. So that means God is only bound by the laws of this world. In this world, if someone slanders you, you can legally sue for defamation of character. And the fact that WMSCOG won the court cases for defamation of Character, are overlooked. Is it a sin to sue someone? Is it against the bible in any way shape or form? Of course not.
You also said "From my understanding many of the teachings of the WMSCOG are from the SDA" that shows you don't understand what WMSCOG teaches at all.
Clearly you don't know what SDA teached
The SDA teach there is no soul
Nope
SDA teach heaven and hell dont exist
Nope
SDA teaches in order to enter paradise you must be vegetarian.
Nope
Once again you are gravely mistaken
Lol what SDA do you study with? You obviously don't know what faith I followed before I learned the truth. But I will admit that there are 3 different types of SDA, so the info that you "know" about the SDA could be what "those" SDA teach. However the topic of discussion isn't about the SDA teaching it is about the unchanging truth of WMSCOG. So i will leave that at that.
And if you are going to "quote me" Quote everything correctly, not just portions of what i said. Like I said "Show me a living witness that was there when Christ Ahnsahnghong was alive" and you mentioned Daniel Park and Deacon Murray, who were not there.
So I will not give you the benefit of the doubt that you didnt understand what I meant
Simon wrote:
The Unknown wrote:
First of all, Show me some scripture that testifies that any of Jesus 12 disciples were baptized by John the baptist. You will find no record of that in the BIBLE.
John 1:35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”
39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
So I will admit I stand partially corrected because of what is written in John 1:35-39 shows two of them did follow John the Baptist however, I say partially because I said, "show me verses that testify that any of the disciples were baptized by John the Baptist." There is no verse in the bible which quotes that. I should have made myself more clear beacause the same disciples that "followed" John the baptist didn't even know that he was the Elijah (Matthew17:1-13) They asked Jesus "why then do the teachers of the Law say that Elijah must come first?" and after Jesus explained, it says, Then they knew he was talking to them about John the baptist.
The Unknown wrote:
WMSCOG does not teach Christ Ahnsahnghong was a Buddist…Thats nonsense.
That's what Deacon Murray Withacker (can't remember how to spell it exactly) Deacon Justin (never learned his last name) and Pastor Daniel Park (who taught pastors before coming to the USA) ALL taught me
I personally know Pastor Daniel & Deacon Murray. I remember the day Deacon Murray was baptized. Let me ask you, are either one of them a living witness? Were they baptized by Christ Ahnsahnghong? No they weren't. So if they did teach you that, then, Shame on them. As I said, show me a Senior Pastor or Pastor, that is a living witness of Christ Ahnsahnghong, that was there when He was on the earth. None of them will testify that he was a buddist. You don't know about Pastor Daniel or his History before or during the Church of God. Gods will is being done. I will leave that at that.
And God knew you were not a faithful servant so God didn't allow you to see what is precious to Gods true children with your own eyes. Just like Jesus didnt take Judas when he transfigured and revealed to them his true glory (Matthew 17:1-3) If Jesus had taken Judas w/him, then all the doubt Judas had about Jesus would had disappeared. However Judas wasn't faithful to Jesus, the apostles knew his sin the whole time he was following Jesus (John 12:1-6)
nonsense again I have found that the more faithful tend to be the ones who fall away. I had less than zero doubt.
and no the apostles did NOT know Judas's sin the whole time… it was revealed later. Otherwise they would never have questioned whenever Jesus spoke mysterously about one of them betraying him.
This shows your lack of understanding again… For what did Judas betray Jesus, for 30 silver coins. In other words, he did it for money… While he was following Jesus, he never overcame his sin, as a theif. The fact that he stole money from Jesus and the disciple while he followed shows his greed and love for money, and in the end, he betrayed Jesus for money. This was made very clear that the disciples and Jesus knew about it in John 12:1-6
You said God doesn't need to worry about anyone slandering his church or make counter measures to defend the truth. If that's true then all the Apostles who wrote in the new testament are false disciples of a false christ because, didnt they defend the truth they taught and warn the members of the Early Church?
Can you show where they sued detractors book, chapter and verse?
Show me a verse that says God or the true Church of God is not supposed to sue anyone??? There isn't a single verse. But to further prove my point it is written in Hebrews 2:14-17: Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity… For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in everyway
There is no exception for the words "…in every way" this means everything that you can experience as a person, every thought, feeling, emotion, hardship etc.., that you can experience, God had to come in the flesh and experience. So on judgment day no one can have an excuse.
God sueing anyone isn't against the Bible. God came in the Flesh. So that means God is only bound by the laws of this world. In this world, if someone slanders you, you can legally sue for defamation of character. And the fact that WMSCOG won the court cases for defamation of Character, are overlooked. Is it a sin to sue someone? Is it against the bible in any way shape or form? Of course not.
You also said "From my understanding many of the teachings of the WMSCOG are from the SDA" that shows you don't understand what WMSCOG teaches at all.
Clearly you don't know what SDA teached
The SDA teach there is no soul
Nope
SDA teach heaven and hell dont exist
Nope
SDA teaches in order to enter paradise you must be vegetarian.
Nope
Once again you are gravely mistaken
Lol what SDA do you study with? You obviously don't know what faith I followed before I learned the truth. But I will admit that there are 3 different types of SDA, so the info that you "know" about the SDA could be what "those" SDA teach. However the topic of discussion isn't about the SDA teaching it is about the unchanging truth of WMSCOG. So i will leave that at that.
And if you are going to "quote me" Quote everything correctly, not just portions of what i said. Like I said "Show me a living witness that was there when Christ Ahnsahnghong was alive" and you mentioned Daniel Park and Deacon Murray, who were not there.
So I will not give you the benefit of the doubt that you didnt understand what I meant
The Unknown wrote:
Show me a senior pastor or pastor of WMSCOG that is a living witness, who was there when Christ Ahnsahnghong was alive, who taught that he was a buddist. There are NONE. I think you don't know or realize who I am or what I KNOW. Show some proof that his parents were buddist.
And frankly I don't care if he witnessed it or not Zhang Gil Jah being on the phone with him as often as she was being omniscient as she claims would be able to correct him by the time he was pastor over me if he was in error
The Unknown wrote:
Show me a senior pastor or pastor of WMSCOG that is a living witness, who was there when Christ Ahnsahnghong was alive, who taught that he was a buddist. There are NONE. I think you don't know or realize who I am or what I KNOW. Show some proof that his parents were buddist.
And frankly I don't care if he witnessed it or not Zhang Gil Jah being on the phone with him as often as she was being omniscient as she claims would be able to correct him by the time he was pastor over me if he was in error
especially if she wanted him training other pastors as much as he emphasiesed we should emphasise his prior buddhism in Melchizedeck and even King David as such proof. Surely she would not want teachings emphasising on false information if she is God
especially if she wanted him training other pastors as much as he emphasiesed we should emphasise his prior buddhism in Melchizedeck and even King David as such proof. Surely she would not want teachings emphasising on false information if she is God
Oh and technically there should be no living witnesses if he didn't bear fruit for 8 years
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.