Ahnshahnhong 37 Years or 21 Years? - Examining the World Mission Society Church of God

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June 12, 2011 at 9:15 AM#6751
oliverlog
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As wmscog says Ahnshahnhong preached for 37 years from 1948 when he was baptized in SDA(Seventh day adventist) till his death in 1985 +3 years of Jesus Christ’s preaching = 40 years reign of King David (the reason for his qualification of 2nd coming/ the root of david). I want to ask wmscog –
Q1- why then he left SDA and opened a new church?
Q1a-Was SDA doctrine wrong? If yes :Then why he got baptized in a wrong doctrine? Didn’t he know it already being 2nd christ? (Possible Answer)-May be he had no other way because no “true” church existed.
Q1b-So why he took 16 years to open a new church? (Possible Answer)-Maybe because he had to do hard work (Stone carrying as shown in wmscog videos) for a living during the day and had little time in the night to write his books (why din’t Jesus write any book?).
Q1c-So why did God put so much burden on his shoulders? (Not fair. 1st coming christ had only 1 assignment. Poor 2nd coming.)
Q2- Was SDA right? Then why open a new doctrine?
Q3-As Ahnshahnhong started a new church in 1964 and stared preaching new ways of Gospel, then he only scored 1964 to 1985 =21 years. So he comes short 16 years to be eligible for Christship. Oooops!! (Christship is a new word I discovered due to the need on the “new age”). (Possible Solution)-May be they can add sweet 16 years of ‘mother’ who must not be a mother at that age i guess and must be beautiful to qualify to be the bride of the Lamb/Ahnshahnhong/….(somebody please write here the name of Mother’s fist husband)!!

May 23, 2013 at 4:39 PM #25850

Simon
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yes they do teach Sabbath is the seal (funnily Ahn points out where EGW implies it isnt)
May 23, 2013 at 5:10 PM #41850

The Unknown
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LOL, ok here we go
Someone posted this: Can you see Mk 10:38-39? What is Jesus talking about as his baptism? It is not John's baptism because his apostles, having previously been disciples of John the baptist, had already received that baptism. Here Jesus is talking about his death as his baptism. It was done 2000 years ago. That is when Lk 12:49-50 was fulfilled.
First of all, Show me some scripture that testifies that any of Jesus 12 disciples were baptized by John the baptist. You will find no record of that in the BIBLE. Mark 10:38 is talking about past tense, meaning Jesus was already baptized. The verse clearly says… can you be BAPTIZED with the baptism I HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED with? Meaning past tense. Jesus was speaking on what has already been done and/or established. His path He had to walk (ie) persecution, suffering on the cross etc… In Luke 12:49-50 he speaks of future. The verse clearly says. I have a baptism to UNDERGO and how distressed I am until it is completed. Clearly he is speaking on something that has not yet been done, meaning he needs to be baptized. However, he was already baptized in Luke 3:21 and Mark 10:38. Your insistance is incorrect again.

Next, Someone posted this: Show us where in the bible it says that. Please back up your claims with scriptures not just words.You are saying Jesus was not in the tomb for 72 hours but 36 you must have lost your mind!
Ok you asked for it: Jesus Died on the cross at the 9th hour, which is equivelent to 3pm. Many bible versions clearly say 3 in the afternoon (Mark 15:33-37) His body wasn't taken off the cross until evening(Matthew 27:57-61, Luke 23:50-55)which could be at the earliest 6pm. Because Jesus himself said there are 12hours of daylight (John 11:9)Jesus' burial wasn't finished until just before sunrise the following day; as it is written in Luke 23:54-55… It was preparation day and the Sabbath was about to begin. And he rose in the morning, at dawn, on Sunday.(Matthew 28:1-7)

Looking at the facts of the scriptures, it is impossible for the math to add up in Matthew 12:40, where Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, which is 72 hours. Jesus wasn't even dead for 72 hours. He died at 3pm on Friday. Exactly 72 hours later would have been 3pm on Monday. So If he wasn't even dead for 72 hours, how could he have been burried for 72 hours? You have no answer right??
Jeus wasn't taken off the cross until evening which at the earliest could have been 6pm. Then Joseph and Nicodemus began preparing his body for burial. (John 19:38-42) It is written: 38 Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away. 39 He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.[e] 40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen.This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41 At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42 Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
The scripture says they prepared 75 pounds of myrrh and aloes. Then they wrapped his body and layed it in the tomb. How long do you think that took?? A few hours? NO WAY, it took all night!! As it is written in Luke 23:50: 50 Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
It is clear that they finished right before the Sabbath Day was about to begin, which is sunrise. So If Jesus was put in the ground at 6pm, then, 6pm Friday night until Dawn, 6pm, Sunday morning is only 36 hours. This is assuming that he was put in the ground exactly at 6pm on Friday night however, looking at the facts of his burial, there is no way he was put in the ground at 6pm on friday night because, His body wasn't even taken off the cross until evening, which at the earliest could have been 6pm.
I would love to hear you prove this wrong. But you can't because you can't deny any of this. So the according to your insistance, the Jesus, you claim to believe in, is a false christ, because he wasn't in the grave 3 days and 3 night, totaling 72 hours.
May 23, 2013 at 5:10 PM #25860

The Unknown
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LOL, ok here we go
Someone posted this: Can you see Mk 10:38-39? What is Jesus talking about as his baptism? It is not John's baptism because his apostles, having previously been disciples of John the baptist, had already received that baptism. Here Jesus is talking about his death as his baptism. It was done 2000 years ago. That is when Lk 12:49-50 was fulfilled.
First of all, Show me some scripture that testifies that any of Jesus 12 disciples were baptized by John the baptist. You will find no record of that in the BIBLE. Mark 10:38 is talking about past tense, meaning Jesus was already baptized. The verse clearly says… can you be BAPTIZED with the baptism I HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED with? Meaning past tense. Jesus was speaking on what has already been done and/or established. His path He had to walk (ie) persecution, suffering on the cross etc… In Luke 12:49-50 he speaks of future. The verse clearly says. I have a baptism to UNDERGO and how distressed I am until it is completed. Clearly he is speaking on something that has not yet been done, meaning he needs to be baptized. However, he was already baptized in Luke 3:21 and Mark 10:38. Your insistance is incorrect again.

Next, Someone posted this: Show us where in the bible it says that. Please back up your claims with scriptures not just words.You are saying Jesus was not in the tomb for 72 hours but 36 you must have lost your mind!
Ok you asked for it: Jesus Died on the cross at the 9th hour, which is equivelent to 3pm. Many bible versions clearly say 3 in the afternoon (Mark 15:33-37) His body wasn't taken off the cross until evening(Matthew 27:57-61, Luke 23:50-55)which could be at the earliest 6pm. Because Jesus himself said there are 12hours of daylight (John 11:9)Jesus' burial wasn't finished until just before sunrise the following day; as it is written in Luke 23:54-55… It was preparation day and the Sabbath was about to begin. And he rose in the morning, at dawn, on Sunday.(Matthew 28:1-7)

Looking at the facts of the scriptures, it is impossible for the math to add up in Matthew 12:40, where Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, which is 72 hours. Jesus wasn't even dead for 72 hours. He died at 3pm on Friday. Exactly 72 hours later would have been 3pm on Monday. So If he wasn't even dead for 72 hours, how could he have been burried for 72 hours? You have no answer right??
Jeus wasn't taken off the cross until evening which at the earliest could have been 6pm. Then Joseph and Nicodemus began preparing his body for burial. (John 19:38-42) It is written: 38 Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away. 39 He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.[e] 40 Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen.This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41 At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42 Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
The scripture says they prepared 75 pounds of myrrh and aloes. Then they wrapped his body and layed it in the tomb. How long do you think that took?? A few hours? NO WAY, it took all night!! As it is written in Luke 23:50: 50 Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
It is clear that they finished right before the Sabbath Day was about to begin, which is sunrise. So If Jesus was put in the ground at 6pm, then, 6pm Friday night until Dawn, 6pm, Sunday morning is only 36 hours. This is assuming that he was put in the ground exactly at 6pm on Friday night however, looking at the facts of his burial, there is no way he was put in the ground at 6pm on friday night because, His body wasn't even taken off the cross until evening, which at the earliest could have been 6pm.
I would love to hear you prove this wrong. But you can't because you can't deny any of this. So the according to your insistance, the Jesus, you claim to believe in, is a false christ, because he wasn't in the grave 3 days and 3 night, totaling 72 hours.
May 23, 2013 at 5:21 PM #25862

Love'n Honey
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Unknown, you're right!.. and wrong. You can't use modern thinking when looking into aged writings. Back then the day you're in is counted as a day. The day Jesus was "buried" [Friday], the day He remained buried [Sabbath], and the day He was buried for a short time before coming out [Sunday] are 3 days.
It's the same with the hours of the day.
May 23, 2013 at 5:21 PM #41851

Love'n Honey
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Unknown, you're right!.. and wrong. You can't use modern thinking when looking into aged writings. Back then the day you're in is counted as a day. The day Jesus was "buried" [Friday], the day He remained buried [Sabbath], and the day He was buried for a short time before coming out [Sunday] are 3 days.
It's the same with the hours of the day.
May 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM #41852

warrior
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Hi The Unknown, that depends which book of the bible you read. According to John, Jesus was crucified on the passover day (which would mean he never actually kept it..)
John 19:14 – It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. “Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. 15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!” “Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.
So which verse do you accept? Matthew (jesus keeping the passover and being crucified on friday) or John (jesus being crucified on the passover and not keeping it)
May 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM #25863

warrior
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Hi The Unknown, that depends which book of the bible you read. According to John, Jesus was crucified on the passover day (which would mean he never actually kept it..)
John 19:14 – It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. “Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. 15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!” “Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.
So which verse do you accept? Matthew (jesus keeping the passover and being crucified on friday) or John (jesus being crucified on the passover and not keeping it)
May 23, 2013 at 5:59 PM #25865

Storm
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Unknown you are in error, Jesus did not die on a Friday, with that being said your whole statement goes out the window. Here we go….
Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
this to which Jesus referred, states specifically that "Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." We have no biblical basis for thinking that Jesus meant only two nights and one day, plus part of another day. If Jesus were in the tomb only from late Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning, then the sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah was not fulfilled.
So which is it? Is something wrong with Christ's words, or is something wrong with the traditional view of when and how long He was in the tomb?
Let's carefully examine the details from the Gospels. When we do, we uncover the real story of how Jesus' words were fulfilled precisely.
Two Sabbaths mentioned
Notice the sequence of events outlined in Luke 23. Jesus' moment of death, as well as His hasty burial because of the oncoming Sabbath that began at sundown, is narrated in verses 46-53. Verse 54 then states, "That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near."
In Jewish society of that time, heavy cooking and housecleaning were done on the day before a Sabbath in preparation for it. Thus the day before the Sabbath came to be called "the preparation day" or simply "the preparation." The biblical Sabbath falls on Saturday, the seventh day of the week. According to Bible reckoning, days begin at sunset (Leviticus 23:32It shall be unto you a Sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.; compare Genesis 1:5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
so all weekly Sabbaths start Friday evening at sundown.
Based on these facts, many people have assumed that it is the weekly Sabbath mentioned here, and that Jesus was therefore crucified on a Friday. But two types of "Sabbaths" are mentioned in the Scriptures—the regular weekly Sabbath day, which fell on the seventh day of the week, and seven annual Holy Days (listed in Leviticus 23), Sabbaths that could—and usually did—fall on days of the week other than the regular weekly Sabbath day.
Was the day after Jesus was crucified a weekly Sabbath, or one of these annual Holy Days?
John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
clearly states that this approaching Sabbath "was a high day." This term does not refer to the weekly Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), but in this context to the first day of Unleavened Bread, one of God's annual Holy Days (Exodus 12:16-17 16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
Leviticus 23:6-7 6 on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
A number of Bible commentaries, encyclopedias and dictionaries will confirm that John is not referring to the weekly Sabbath here, but rather to one of the annual Sabbaths.
According to the biblical calendar, in that year this high-day Sabbath fell on a Thursday (meaning it began on Wednesday night at sunset). We can confirm this by looking at the details in the Gospel accounts—which show us that two separate Sabbath days are mentioned.
Luke 23:55-56 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how his body was laid.
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.
the women, after seeing Christ's body being laid in the tomb just before sundown, "returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils" for the final preparation of the body.
They would not have done such work on a Sabbath day, weekly or annual, since it would have been considered a Sabbath violation. This is verified by Mark's account, which states: "Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices [which they could not have purchased on a Sabbath day], that they might come and anoint Him" (Mark 16:1And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
The women had to wait until this Sabbath was over before they could buy and prepare the spices to be used for anointing Jesus' body. Then, Luke 23:56And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.
after purchasing and preparing the spices and oils on Friday, "they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment"—which means they had to have acquired the spices before that Sabbath on which they rested. This second Sabbath mentioned in the Gospel accounts is the regular weekly Sabbath, observed from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
By comparing details in both Gospels —where Mark tells us the women bought spices after the Sabbath and Luke relates that they prepared the spices before resting on the Sabbath—we can clearly see that two different Sabbaths are being discussed here.
The first, as John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
this tells us, was a "high day"—the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread—which, in A.D. 31, fell on a Thursday. The second was the weekly seventh-day Sabbath.
Sign of the Messiah
After the women rested on the regular weekly Sabbath, they went to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday), "while it was still dark" (John 20:1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
and found that He had already been resurrected (Matthew 28:1-6
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mark 16:2-6 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulcher at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulcher?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Luke 24:1-3 1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Jesus was not resurrected at sunrise on Sunday morning. When Mary Magdalene arrived "while it was still dark" she found the stone rolled away and the tomb already empty!
When we consider the details in all four Gospel accounts, the picture is clear. Jesus was crucified and entombed late on Wednesday afternoon, just before a Sabbath began at sunset. However, that was a high-day Sabbath, lasting from Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset that week, rather than the regular weekly Sabbath that lasted from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Since Jesus was entombed in the late afternoon just before sundown, according to His own words He would have been resurrected at around the same time three days and nights later. He remained in the tomb from Wednesday at sunset until Saturday at sunset, when He rose from the dead. While no one witnessed His resurrection (which took place inside a sealed tomb), to fit His words and the biblical evidence it had to have happened three days and three nights later, near sunset on Saturday.
This time line perfectly accommodates three full nights (Wednesday night, Thursday night and Friday night) and three full daylight periods (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). This is the only time that fits Jesus' own prophecy of how long He would be in the tomb. And, as we have seen, it fits perfectly with all the details recorded in the Gospels.
We can be assured that the entombment period Jesus gave as proof He was the Messiah was exactly the duration He foretold. Because most people do not understand the biblical Holy Days Jesus Christ and His followers kept, they fail to understand the chronological details so accurately preserved for us in the Gospels.
May 23, 2013 at 5:59 PM #41853

Storm
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Unknown you are in error, Jesus did not die on a Friday, with that being said your whole statement goes out the window. Here we go….
Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
this to which Jesus referred, states specifically that "Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." We have no biblical basis for thinking that Jesus meant only two nights and one day, plus part of another day. If Jesus were in the tomb only from late Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning, then the sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah was not fulfilled.
So which is it? Is something wrong with Christ's words, or is something wrong with the traditional view of when and how long He was in the tomb?
Let's carefully examine the details from the Gospels. When we do, we uncover the real story of how Jesus' words were fulfilled precisely.
Two Sabbaths mentioned
Notice the sequence of events outlined in Luke 23. Jesus' moment of death, as well as His hasty burial because of the oncoming Sabbath that began at sundown, is narrated in verses 46-53. Verse 54 then states, "That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near."
In Jewish society of that time, heavy cooking and housecleaning were done on the day before a Sabbath in preparation for it. Thus the day before the Sabbath came to be called "the preparation day" or simply "the preparation." The biblical Sabbath falls on Saturday, the seventh day of the week. According to Bible reckoning, days begin at sunset (Leviticus 23:32It shall be unto you a Sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.; compare Genesis 1:5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
so all weekly Sabbaths start Friday evening at sundown.
Based on these facts, many people have assumed that it is the weekly Sabbath mentioned here, and that Jesus was therefore crucified on a Friday. But two types of "Sabbaths" are mentioned in the Scriptures—the regular weekly Sabbath day, which fell on the seventh day of the week, and seven annual Holy Days (listed in Leviticus 23), Sabbaths that could—and usually did—fall on days of the week other than the regular weekly Sabbath day.
Was the day after Jesus was crucified a weekly Sabbath, or one of these annual Holy Days?
John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
clearly states that this approaching Sabbath "was a high day." This term does not refer to the weekly Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), but in this context to the first day of Unleavened Bread, one of God's annual Holy Days (Exodus 12:16-17 16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.
Leviticus 23:6-7 6 on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
A number of Bible commentaries, encyclopedias and dictionaries will confirm that John is not referring to the weekly Sabbath here, but rather to one of the annual Sabbaths.
According to the biblical calendar, in that year this high-day Sabbath fell on a Thursday (meaning it began on Wednesday night at sunset). We can confirm this by looking at the details in the Gospel accounts—which show us that two separate Sabbath days are mentioned.
Luke 23:55-56 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulcher, and how his body was laid.
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.
the women, after seeing Christ's body being laid in the tomb just before sundown, "returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils" for the final preparation of the body.
They would not have done such work on a Sabbath day, weekly or annual, since it would have been considered a Sabbath violation. This is verified by Mark's account, which states: "Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices [which they could not have purchased on a Sabbath day], that they might come and anoint Him" (Mark 16:1And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
The women had to wait until this Sabbath was over before they could buy and prepare the spices to be used for anointing Jesus' body. Then, Luke 23:56And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.
after purchasing and preparing the spices and oils on Friday, "they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment"—which means they had to have acquired the spices before that Sabbath on which they rested. This second Sabbath mentioned in the Gospel accounts is the regular weekly Sabbath, observed from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
By comparing details in both Gospels —where Mark tells us the women bought spices after the Sabbath and Luke relates that they prepared the spices before resting on the Sabbath—we can clearly see that two different Sabbaths are being discussed here.
The first, as John 19:31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
this tells us, was a "high day"—the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread—which, in A.D. 31, fell on a Thursday. The second was the weekly seventh-day Sabbath.
Sign of the Messiah
After the women rested on the regular weekly Sabbath, they went to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday), "while it was still dark" (John 20:1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulcher.
and found that He had already been resurrected (Matthew 28:1-6
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mark 16:2-6 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulcher at the rising of the sun.
3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulcher?
4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Luke 24:1-3 1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Jesus was not resurrected at sunrise on Sunday morning. When Mary Magdalene arrived "while it was still dark" she found the stone rolled away and the tomb already empty!
When we consider the details in all four Gospel accounts, the picture is clear. Jesus was crucified and entombed late on Wednesday afternoon, just before a Sabbath began at sunset. However, that was a high-day Sabbath, lasting from Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset that week, rather than the regular weekly Sabbath that lasted from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Since Jesus was entombed in the late afternoon just before sundown, according to His own words He would have been resurrected at around the same time three days and nights later. He remained in the tomb from Wednesday at sunset until Saturday at sunset, when He rose from the dead. While no one witnessed His resurrection (which took place inside a sealed tomb), to fit His words and the biblical evidence it had to have happened three days and three nights later, near sunset on Saturday.
This time line perfectly accommodates three full nights (Wednesday night, Thursday night and Friday night) and three full daylight periods (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). This is the only time that fits Jesus' own prophecy of how long He would be in the tomb. And, as we have seen, it fits perfectly with all the details recorded in the Gospels.
We can be assured that the entombment period Jesus gave as proof He was the Messiah was exactly the duration He foretold. Because most people do not understand the biblical Holy Days Jesus Christ and His followers kept, they fail to understand the chronological details so accurately preserved for us in the Gospels.
May 23, 2013 at 6:44 PM #25868

The Unknown
Participant
This is directly for who ever posted this:where are translated (English version) of the two books you mentioned? I have "heard" about Unsealing the Secrets of the 7 Thunders but have not had a chance to read it for myself. Have you? What about Letter to the Church in Laodicea? I haven't read that one either. We cannot firmly or boldly testify as to what these books said because we have not read them for ourselves. In other words it is hearsay.
The majority of people in this forum believe in Jesus Christ according to the bible. No one is spreading lies about Ansahnghong except WMSCOG. The church teaches that he was born and raised in a Bhuddism family. Have you studied about Melchizedek? I preached it many times and that was one of the points that allegedly confirmed him as the 2nd Coming. He had to be born of unbelieving parents. How many children do you know, especially of Asian decent, would have a different religion than their parents? Usually whatever your parents are, that's what you are until you are of age to disagree.
He was baptized in the SDA church in 1948. Why on earth would anyone think he wasn't a member until he started his own church in 1964. From my understanding many of the teachings of WMSCOG are from SDA. Do you think it's a coincidence that they also know the prophecy of Daniel & Revelation?
Use the common sense that God gave you. God doesn't need to worry about anyone "slandering" His church yet WMSCOG worries about it a lot. God doesn't need to make counter measures against "slanders" about the church. Maybe God doesn't dwell in WMSCOG.
Jeremiah 44 says worshipping the queen of heaven is detestable to God. So what you are doing (and I previously was too) is detestable to God worshipping a false god (god the mother). Please open your eyes and see what is going on in there!
WMSCOG does not teach Christ Ahnsahnghong was a Buddist…Thats nonsense. It is no where in anything the WMSCOG teaches. Shame on you for teaching that he was a buddist. Show me a senior pastor or pastor of WMSCOG that is a living witness, who was there when Christ Ahnsahnghong was alive, who taught that he was a buddist. There are NONE. I think you don't know or realize who I am or what I KNOW. Show some proof that his parents were buddist… I bet you don't have any, do you?? Appearently you don't know the history of Korea. Let me ask you this, what did the Japanese worship? And did they not inforce their worship on the Koreans when they colonized them and made Korea their slave in the year 1919? That will show you what kind of worship was going on in Korea at that time. He was from a family of unbelievers. Meaning unbelievers in TRUE GOD. So let me ask you another question, are BUDDIST believers or unbelievers in TRUE GOD, who made the Heavens and the Earth??? The answer is NO, they are unbelievers. So either way, even if his parents were "buddist" they were still unbelievers. Nowere in the Melchizedek study does it say he was a buddist. And speaking of Melchizedek, can any of you prove Christ Ahnsahnghong didnt fulfill the order of Melchizedek??
So, yes I have personally read directly from those books. I know exactly what it says. "Why aren't their english translations of those books?" thats not for me to say however, us who have read them know exactly what is written in them. Not to mention everything that is in those books has already and is still being taught by WMSCOG, just becuase you haven't seen them doesn't mean they exist. And God knew you were not a faithful servant so God didn't allow you to see what is precious to Gods true children with your own eyes. Just like Jesus didnt take Judas when he transfigured and revealed to them his true glory (Matthew 17:1-3) If Jesus had taken Judas w/him, then all the doubt Judas had about Jesus would had disappeared. However Judas wasn't faithful to Jesus, the apostles knew his sin the whole time he was following Jesus (John 12:1-6) All the scriptures have to be fulfilled. There has to be the foolish virgins, there has to be those who reject Christ at his 2nd coming, and there has to be the wicked lazy sevants, who say, my master is staying a long time and begin to beat their fellow servants…Even the scripture says dont give your pearls to pigs. (Matthew 7:6)
Also Jeremiah 44 is talking about a destable God. However that verse doesn't testify that their is no Heavenly Mother. If you insist that verse is testifying there is no Heavenly Mother, then you must also insist there is no Heavenly Father as well, As it is written: Jeremiah 2:27-28: They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
 and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
 and not their faces;
 ‘Come and save us!’
 Let them come if they can save you
 when you are in trouble!
For you, Judah, have as many gods as you have towns.
Here in these verses who is "Father" speaking of? Is it speaking of Father in Heaven? No, it's talking about an idol or false god. So because the people here, are calling and idol/false god "Father" does that mean there is not a true Father in Heaven? Of course not. In the same way, the people called a false god "Queen of Heaven" However, does that mean there is no true Mother in Heaven. NO. The queen of heaven in Jeremiah talking about Ashoreth or Ishtar or Ester or Easter, they are all the same. You will not find a single line of history that denies this fact. So yes Ishtar is a detestable god that, the people at that time called, the queen of heaven. However Galatians 4:26 clearly says … the Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our mother.
Our means the children of promise (Galatians 4:28-31) So if Jerusalem that is above is not your mother, then you testify with your own mouth that you are not a "child of promis"
In the bible it is written that Jesus himself would reveal the New Jeusalem, that is coming down out of heaven from God, to us, at his 2nd coming. As it is written in Revelation 3:11: I am coming soon…(meaning his 2nd coming)(Revelation 3:11-12) So according to the bible it is only Jesus himself that can reveal the New Jerusalem that is to come down out of heaven to us. Nobody else. If someone claim their explanation of the New Jerusalem is accurate, then they claim to be God, because Jesus said he would give us the name of the New Jerusalem to us when he comes to the earth a 2nd time. Many churches claim that their explanation about the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven is accurate. However, they dont claim they are the Christ. That is the clear evidence that their explanation about the New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven is false. Because only Christ can give the true explanation. Christ Ahnsahnghong testified he was Christ in the Preface and in almost every chapter in the book titled "The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life" In chapter 1 Unsealing the Secret of the 7 Thunders he explained that the 7 thunders were sealed, he explained why they were sealed, he explained what they are, he explained that only Christ himself can reveal the mystery of the 7thunders, he used the scriptures to testify all of this. However he is the one who revealed the 7 thunders, Then who is he? At Christ 1st coming, how did he prove he was the Savior of the world? Did he not use the scriptures. He did the same thing at his 2nd coming as well.
LOL Ahnsahnghong never testified he was Christ??? You are greatly mistaken. You said God doesn't need to worry about anyone slandering his church or make counter measures to defend the truth. If that's true then all the Apostles who wrote in the new testament are false disciples of a false christ because, didnt they defend the truth they taught and warn the members of the Early Church? (Acts 20:28-31, Acts 15:1-21, Galatians 1:6-9, 1Timothy 4:1-3, 2Timothy 4:3-5, 2Thessalonians 2:3-12, 2Peter 2:1-3 etc…)Once again you are greatly mistaken.
You also said "From my understanding many of the teachings of the WMSCOG are from the SDA" that shows you don't understand what WMSCOG teaches at all. The SDA teach there is no soul, does WMSCOG teach that? NO. SDA teach heaven and hell dont exist and the paradise we are going to will be Garden of Eden on Earth. Does WMSCOG teach that? NO. SDA teaches in order to enter paradise you must be vegetarian. Does WMSCOG teach that? NO. SDA teach passover should be kept ever 3 months and you don't have to keep the feast and that it is ok to celebrate Easter and Xmas. Does WMSCOG teach that? NO. I could go on and on. The only thing that is similar is that SDA teaches Daniel's prophecy and Revelation about, which is really only about 80% accurate There are many discrepensies in their Daniel and Revelation. And their Sabbath day is incorrect. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE GREATLY MISTAKEN
May 23, 2013 at 6:44 PM #41854

The Unknown
Participant
This is directly for who ever posted this:where are translated (English version) of the two books you mentioned? I have "heard" about Unsealing the Secrets of the 7 Thunders but have not had a chance to read it for myself. Have you? What about Letter to the Church in Laodicea? I haven't read that one either. We cannot firmly or boldly testify as to what these books said because we have not read them for ourselves. In other words it is hearsay.
The majority of people in this forum believe in Jesus Christ according to the bible. No one is spreading lies about Ansahnghong except WMSCOG. The church teaches that he was born and raised in a Bhuddism family. Have you studied about Melchizedek? I preached it many times and that was one of the points that allegedly confirmed him as the 2nd Coming. He had to be born of unbelieving parents. How many children do you know, especially of Asian decent, would have a different religion than their parents? Usually whatever your parents are, that's what you are until you are of age to disagree.
He was baptized in the SDA church in 1948. Why on earth would anyone think he wasn't a member until he started his own church in 1964. From my understanding many of the teachings of WMSCOG are from SDA. Do you think it's a coincidence that they also know the prophecy of Daniel & Revelation?
Use the common sense that God gave you. God doesn't need to worry about anyone "slandering" His church yet WMSCOG worries about it a lot. God doesn't need to make counter measures against "slanders" about the church. Maybe God doesn't dwell in WMSCOG.
Jeremiah 44 says worshipping the queen of heaven is detestable to God. So what you are doing (and I previously was too) is detestable to God worshipping a false god (god the mother). Please open your eyes and see what is going on in there!
WMSCOG does not teach Christ Ahnsahnghong was a Buddist…Thats nonsense. It is no where in anything the WMSCOG teaches. Shame on you for teaching that he was a buddist. Show me a senior pastor or pastor of WMSCOG that is a living witness, who was there when Christ Ahnsahnghong was alive, who taught that he was a buddist. There are NONE. I think you don't know or realize who I am or what I KNOW. Show some proof that his parents were buddist… I bet you don't have any, do you?? Appearently you don't know the history of Korea. Let me ask you this, what did the Japanese worship? And did they not inforce their worship on the Koreans when they colonized them and made Korea their slave in the year 1919? That will show you what kind of worship was going on in Korea at that time. He was from a family of unbelievers. Meaning unbelievers in TRUE GOD. So let me ask you another question, are BUDDIST believers or unbelievers in TRUE GOD, who made the Heavens and the Earth??? The answer is NO, they are unbelievers. So either way, even if his parents were "buddist" they were still unbelievers. Nowere in the Melchizedek study does it say he was a buddist. And speaking of Melchizedek, can any of you prove Christ Ahnsahnghong didnt fulfill the order of Melchizedek??
So, yes I have personally read directly from those books. I know exactly what it says. "Why aren't their english translations of those books?" thats not for me to say however, us who have read them know exactly what is written in them. Not to mention everything that is in those books has already and is still being taught by WMSCOG, just becuase you haven't seen them doesn't mean they exist. And God knew you were not a faithful servant so God didn't allow you to see what is precious to Gods true children with your own eyes. Just like Jesus didnt take Judas when he transfigured and revealed to them his true glory (Matthew 17:1-3) If Jesus had taken Judas w/him, then all the doubt Judas had about Jesus would had disappeared. However Judas wasn't faithful to Jesus, the apostles knew his sin the whole time he was following Jesus (John 12:1-6) All the scriptures have to be fulfilled. There has to be the foolish virgins, there has to be those who reject Christ at his 2nd coming, and there has to be the wicked lazy sevants, who say, my master is staying a long time and begin to beat their fellow servants…Even the scripture says dont give your pearls to pigs. (Matthew 7:6)
Also Jeremiah 44 is talking about a destable God. However that verse doesn't testify that their is no Heavenly Mother. If you insist that verse is testifying there is no Heavenly Mother, then you must also insist there is no Heavenly Father as well, As it is written: Jeremiah 2:27-28: They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
 and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
They have turned their backs to me
 and not their faces;
 ‘Come and save us!’
 Let them come if they can save you
 when you are in trouble!
For you, Judah, have as many gods as you have towns.
Here in these verses who is "Father" speaking of? Is it speaking of Father in Heaven? No, it's talking about an idol or false god. So because the people here, are calling and idol/false god "Father" does that mean there is not a true Father in Heaven? Of course not. In the same way, the people called a false god "Queen of Heaven" However, does that mean there is no true Mother in Heaven. NO. The queen of heaven in Jeremiah talking about Ashoreth or Ishtar or Ester or Easter, they are all the same. You will not find a single line of history that denies this fact. So yes Ishtar is a detestable god that, the people at that time called, the queen of heaven. However Galatians 4:26 clearly says … the Jerusalem that is above is free and she is our mother.
Our means the children of promise (Galatians 4:28-31) So if Jerusalem that is above is not your mother, then you testify with your own mouth that you are not a "child of promis"
In the bible it is written that Jesus himself would reveal the New Jeusalem, that is coming down out of heaven from God, to us, at his 2nd coming. As it is written in Revelation 3:11: I am coming soon…(meaning his 2nd coming)(Revelation 3:11-12) So according to the bible it is only Jesus himself that can reveal the New Jerusalem that is to come down out of heaven to us. Nobody else. If someone claim their explanation of the New Jerusalem is accurate, then they claim to be God, because Jesus said he would give us the name of the New Jerusalem to us when he comes to the earth a 2nd time. Many churches claim that their explanation about the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven is accurate. However, they dont claim they are the Christ. That is the clear evidence that their explanation about the New Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven is false. Because only Christ can give the true explanation. Christ Ahnsahnghong testified he was Christ in the Preface and in almost every chapter in the book titled "The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life" In chapter 1 Unsealing the Secret of the 7 Thunders he explained that the 7 thunders were sealed, he explained why they were sealed, he explained what they are, he explained that only Christ himself can reveal the mystery of the 7thunders, he used the scriptures to testify all of this. However he is the one who revealed the 7 thunders, Then who is he? At Christ 1st coming, how did he prove he was the Savior of the world? Did he not use the scriptures. He did the same thing at his 2nd coming as well.
LOL Ahnsahnghong never testified he was Christ??? You are greatly mistaken. You said God doesn't need to worry about anyone slandering his church or make counter measures to defend the truth. If that's true then all the Apostles who wrote in the new testament are false disciples of a false christ because, didnt they defend the truth they taught and warn the members of the Early Church? (Acts 20:28-31, Acts 15:1-21, Galatians 1:6-9, 1Timothy 4:1-3, 2Timothy 4:3-5, 2Thessalonians 2:3-12, 2Peter 2:1-3 etc…)Once again you are greatly mistaken.
You also said "From my understanding many of the teachings of the WMSCOG are from the SDA" that shows you don't understand what WMSCOG teaches at all. The SDA teach there is no soul, does WMSCOG teach that? NO. SDA teach heaven and hell dont exist and the paradise we are going to will be Garden of Eden on Earth. Does WMSCOG teach that? NO. SDA teaches in order to enter paradise you must be vegetarian. Does WMSCOG teach that? NO. SDA teach passover should be kept ever 3 months and you don't have to keep the feast and that it is ok to celebrate Easter and Xmas. Does WMSCOG teach that? NO. I could go on and on. The only thing that is similar is that SDA teaches Daniel's prophecy and Revelation about, which is really only about 80% accurate There are many discrepensies in their Daniel and Revelation. And their Sabbath day is incorrect. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE GREATLY MISTAKEN
May 23, 2013 at 6:50 PM #25869

Storm
Participant
unkown you need to read & respond to your other post, before you post anything else. Take it easy! one debate at a time, if you want to talk about a new topic, please make one. You are putting (long) different topics here and they are hard to read.
I gave you a response for Jesus in the tomb for 72 hours right above, go check it out.
May 23, 2013 at 6:50 PM #41855

Storm
Participant
unkown you need to read & respond to your other post, before you post anything else. Take it easy! one debate at a time, if you want to talk about a new topic, please make one. You are putting (long) different topics here and they are hard to read.
I gave you a response for Jesus in the tomb for 72 hours right above, go check it out.
May 23, 2013 at 7:19 PM #25873

The Unknown
Participant
LOL, Storm, you couldn't be more wrong. Day doesn't begin on when the sun goes down. You sound like an SDA. Genesis chapter 1 verse 3 says God said Let their be light…. God called the light day. The very first thing God created was Light(sunlight) and he called it day. Then God worked duing the day, then evening came then morning came. Since the very first thing that God created was light that clearly means day came first. Also here is some extra knowledge just for you. There is actually no such thing as Darkness. Darkness is just a word used to explain the absense of Light. If darkness was its own entity then you would be able to make darkness, darker. However it is not possible to make darkness darker. You can have Great light, alot of light, bright light, neon light little light, very little light etc… however you can make no type of adjustment to darkness, other than to add light to it. Darkness is the word used to describe the absense of light. So the fact that God began his creation with "Let there be light" it clearly shows that day came first. A full day, a 24 hour period is from sunrise to sunrise. Between Gen 1:3 and Gen 1:5 is a 24 hour period. Gen 1:5 is only describing a 12 hour period. You are greatly mistaken.
The Darkness that existed in Genesis 1:1-2 is "pre creation" in other words the work of God had not yet began. So that "darkness" can not be counted as Gods creation process. If it could, then there would be no such thing as the 6 DAY creation. It would be the "7 night and 6 Day creation"
A full day is a 24 hour period. However from evening to morning how many hours are there" There are only 12. As Jesus said there are 12 hours of day light(John11:9) so that means there are 12 hours of night. So your whole comment and explanation is wrong.
May 23, 2013 at 7:19 PM #41856

The Unknown
Participant
LOL, Storm, you couldn't be more wrong. Day doesn't begin on when the sun goes down. You sound like an SDA. Genesis chapter 1 verse 3 says God said Let their be light…. God called the light day. The very first thing God created was Light(sunlight) and he called it day. Then God worked duing the day, then evening came then morning came. Since the very first thing that God created was light that clearly means day came first. Also here is some extra knowledge just for you. There is actually no such thing as Darkness. Darkness is just a word used to explain the absense of Light. If darkness was its own entity then you would be able to make darkness, darker. However it is not possible to make darkness darker. You can have Great light, alot of light, bright light, neon light little light, very little light etc… however you can make no type of adjustment to darkness, other than to add light to it. Darkness is the word used to describe the absense of light. So the fact that God began his creation with "Let there be light" it clearly shows that day came first. A full day, a 24 hour period is from sunrise to sunrise. Between Gen 1:3 and Gen 1:5 is a 24 hour period. Gen 1:5 is only describing a 12 hour period. You are greatly mistaken.
The Darkness that existed in Genesis 1:1-2 is "pre creation" in other words the work of God had not yet began. So that "darkness" can not be counted as Gods creation process. If it could, then there would be no such thing as the 6 DAY creation. It would be the "7 night and 6 Day creation"
A full day is a 24 hour period. However from evening to morning how many hours are there" There are only 12. As Jesus said there are 12 hours of day light(John11:9) so that means there are 12 hours of night. So your whole comment and explanation is wrong.
May 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM #41857

warrior
Participant
Hi "The Unknown" I also asked a question. Can you answer it? And I also sent you a private message. Let me know if you rather put the messages here in the forum
May 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM #25875

warrior
Participant
Hi "The Unknown" I also asked a question. Can you answer it? And I also sent you a private message. Let me know if you rather put the messages here in the forum
May 23, 2013 at 7:57 PM #41858

Simon
Participant
The Unknown wrote:
First of all, Show me some scripture that testifies that any of Jesus 12 disciples were baptized by John the baptist. You will find no record of that in the BIBLE.
John 1:35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”
39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
The Unknown wrote:
WMSCOG does not teach Christ Ahnsahnghong was a Buddist…Thats nonsense.
That's what Deacon Murray Withacker (can't remember how to spell it exactly) Deacon Justin (never learned his last name) and Pastor Daniel Park (who taught pastors before coming to the USA) ALL taught me
And God knew you were not a faithful servant so God didn't allow you to see what is precious to Gods true children with your own eyes. Just like Jesus didnt take Judas when he transfigured and revealed to them his true glory (Matthew 17:1-3) If Jesus had taken Judas w/him, then all the doubt Judas had about Jesus would had disappeared. However Judas wasn't faithful to Jesus, the apostles knew his sin the whole time he was following Jesus (John 12:1-6)
nonsense again I have found that the more faithful tend to be the ones who fall away. I had less than zero doubt.
and no the apostles did NOT know Judas's sin the whole time… it was revealed later. Otherwise they would never have questioned whenever Jesus spoke mysterously about one of them betraying him.
You said God doesn't need to worry about anyone slandering his church or make counter measures to defend the truth. If that's true then all the Apostles who wrote in the new testament are false disciples of a false christ because, didnt they defend the truth they taught and warn the members of the Early Church?
Can you show where they sued detractors book, chapter and verse?
You also said "From my understanding many of the teachings of the WMSCOG are from the SDA" that shows you don't understand what WMSCOG teaches at all.
Clearly you don't know what SDA teached
The SDA teach there is no soul
Nope
SDA teach heaven and hell dont exist
Nope
SDA teaches in order to enter paradise you must be vegetarian.
Nope
Once again you are gravely mistaken
May 23, 2013 at 7:57 PM #25880

Simon
Participant
The Unknown wrote:
First of all, Show me some scripture that testifies that any of Jesus 12 disciples were baptized by John the baptist. You will find no record of that in the BIBLE.
John 1:35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”
39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
The Unknown wrote:
WMSCOG does not teach Christ Ahnsahnghong was a Buddist…Thats nonsense.
That's what Deacon Murray Withacker (can't remember how to spell it exactly) Deacon Justin (never learned his last name) and Pastor Daniel Park (who taught pastors before coming to the USA) ALL taught me
And God knew you were not a faithful servant so God didn't allow you to see what is precious to Gods true children with your own eyes. Just like Jesus didnt take Judas when he transfigured and revealed to them his true glory (Matthew 17:1-3) If Jesus had taken Judas w/him, then all the doubt Judas had about Jesus would had disappeared. However Judas wasn't faithful to Jesus, the apostles knew his sin the whole time he was following Jesus (John 12:1-6)
nonsense again I have found that the more faithful tend to be the ones who fall away. I had less than zero doubt.
and no the apostles did NOT know Judas's sin the whole time… it was revealed later. Otherwise they would never have questioned whenever Jesus spoke mysterously about one of them betraying him.
You said God doesn't need to worry about anyone slandering his church or make counter measures to defend the truth. If that's true then all the Apostles who wrote in the new testament are false disciples of a false christ because, didnt they defend the truth they taught and warn the members of the Early Church?
Can you show where they sued detractors book, chapter and verse?
You also said "From my understanding many of the teachings of the WMSCOG are from the SDA" that shows you don't understand what WMSCOG teaches at all.
Clearly you don't know what SDA teached
The SDA teach there is no soul
Nope
SDA teach heaven and hell dont exist
Nope
SDA teaches in order to enter paradise you must be vegetarian.
Nope
Once again you are gravely mistaken
May 23, 2013 at 8:15 PM #25882

The Unknown
Participant
warrior wrote:
Hi The Unknown, that depends which book of the bible you read. According to John, Jesus was crucified on the passover day (which would mean he never actually kept it..)
John 19:14 – It was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about noon. “Here is your king,” Pilate said to the Jews. 15 But they shouted, “Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!” “Shall I crucify your king?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” the chief priests answered.16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.
So which verse do you accept? Matthew (jesus keeping the passover and being crucified on friday) or John (jesus being crucified on the passover and not keeping it)
Hello Warrior, I will kindly point out your error and the fact that you don't truly know or understand the scriptures.
Both verses are correct. Especially the book of John, was written by Apostle John who had great understanding. You quoted John 19:14-16 however this is not a testimony that Jesus was crucified on the Passover day(meaning the 14th day of the 1st month at twilight) If you insist that, you clearly testify that you don't know the scriptures. First of all there was no new testament written in the time when Jesus was on the earth, so you must understand the Passover according to the Old Testament, because that was the Passover the Jews and Chief priest wanted to be able to keep. So what is written in Ezekiel 45:21:.. the Passover a feast lasting 7 days…
The Passover was called a feast lasting 7 days. So that was what the people of Isreal called it. Anytime within that "7day period" at that time of year was known as "Passover". John;s testimony is no different than the other Apostles. You just have to have good knowledge and understanding of the Bible to understand his testimony. Scripture can not contradict Scripture in any way, shape or form. If it did, then the bible wouldnt be true. If you testify that John's testimony contradicts the other Apostles or that any of their testimony isn't valid, then you testify that the bible, which is the Word of God is not flawless, which would defeat the purpose of believing in God. Also to further confirm that Jesus ate the Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month, according to the appointed time in the bible, is as follows
Mark 14:12 it is written… when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus sent disciples to make preparations to keep the passover
Luke 22:7-8 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover Lamb had to be sacrificed . Jesus sent Peter and JOHN, saying, go, and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.
Luke 22:14-15 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer".
Matthew 26:17-19 also confirms this fact. The same testimony was given by 3 different witnesses. So what did Jesus say in John 8:17: In your law it is written that the testimony of 2 witnesses is true
However this testimony that Jesus and the disciples kept the Passover is recorded by 3 witnesses.
sorry you are greatly mistaken.

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