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Jesus said ye must be born of water and Spirit. What did He mean water and Spirit?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of
God.
He meant that we go swimming in our spiritual bodies. Jk.
Are these more words with dual meaning?
Who was the question for, Questioningla?
Water is from baptism and you receive the HS during/after baptism. That's why there are 'born again' Christians.
Sarah2013 wrote:
Who was the question for, Questioningla?
Anyone. I was wondering if these are words with dual meaning, like fragrance for example.
What about the process of baptism? Is phobia used to promote it? ie, if you got hit by a car, you'd go to hell, new recruit?
I’m glad you felt that way about my comment on baptism, KF. My point to that comment was accomplished.. See how that made you feel? That’s exactly what is being done with the bible at Wmscog. Which is why I don’t take things they say lightly.
No phobia was used for me. It was just done the very first time I ever went there. I didn't know what it was about. Afterwards, though, I understand that they say it is one of the most important things you can do. I think it was just done so that they could send my name as a new member to South Korea, so they can show progress in their recruitment. Not real progress, as I didn't know I was being baptized in a non-christian church (as I believe they are), but progress they can show Joo Cheoul Kim and the "mother," who obviously don't know the difference. That is my opinion, of course. They do like to say they are the fastest growing religion around, and I think they use these contrived methods to verify it. I think I was used. Now I also see from Renita's post, that my relative probably used me to gain "points" for his Elohim Academy rise. From what Renita said, it is possible he got 50 points for me.
You could think of it as water baptism, but the context of John 3:5 leads me to believe Jesus was talking about physical birth and spiritual rebirth. He's talking to Nicodemus about being born again (spiritual rebirth) and Nicodemus doesn't understand because you cannot be physically reborn, and then Jesus makes that statement about being born of water and the Spirit, and He follows it with "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." I think He was emphasizing that not only are you born from your mother (of water, very liquid-y process), but you need to be born again (of the spirit, made new inside).
John 3:3-6
Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
"How can someone be born when they are old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!"
Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit."
KF wrote:
Thank you Rentia, now I'm clear on that……. so that would mean if we are baptized then we can enter the Kingdom of God? ( along with other requirements?) and if we're not then Yikes!! don't want to even think about it…. Also Does it matter by who or how you get baptized?
To be honest, I have no idea what is an absolute requirement to enter heaven. I mean, we can have our own opinion but the bible doesn't say, or at least I haven't read, 'if you don't do this one particular thing, you can do everything else but it won't matter because you didn't do this one particular thing.' The bible says there are many things for us to do but the bible also says we are imperfect which means we won't, no matter how hard we try, accomplish everything. Could you not be baptized or even be baptized by the 'wrong' person the 'wrong' way and still go to heaven? Personally, I would say no. But the bible doesn't say that specifically.
With my opinion about baptism being a requirement, I definitely believe there's a right way for it to be done. And if there's a right way then there must be the right person or kind of person. Would you be baptized by a satanist? Probably not. Would a satanist offer you a baptism? Lol, probably not but you get my point, right?
Questioninginla wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
Who was the question for, Questioningla?
Anyone. I was wondering if these are words with dual meaning, like fragrance for example.
What about the process of baptism? Is phobia used to promote it? ie, if you got hit by a car, you'd go to hell, new recruit?
That is the technique I experienced with everything. Baptism, Sabbath, veil, 3rd Day, preaching……. You name the 'command' they practically said, 'if you don't do it then you can't garrauntee you place in heaven.' I've said it to others too.
KF, you are reprimanding me for no real wrong done here. I told you the reason behind my comment. God’s word has been made a mockery of, and I am defending it 100% I made a comment which you felt was not appropriate. I explained why ,and yet, you still feel the need to keep at it. I am fully aware you are not a Wmscog member. I know this because I have interacted with you. I had a point to my comment and I expressed it, so don’t know what else you expect me to explain.
Feel free to crosscheck all my comments on this site. I have been very consistent.
no problem
@KF: Je comprends. je ne vais pas continuer à en parler. vous avez raison, c’est fini. Merci et oui, les amis.
Misch te fur plitch gnut yuin.
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