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This comment was originally made by WMS brother on 1988 End of the World Flyer, and has been moved here for further discussion:
WMS brother says:
There is a difference between a false prophet, and the mercy of God. Here is the story of Jonah, which you referred to, but did not explain:
Jonah 3:4 "… "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.""
Jonah 3:10 "When God saw … how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened."
Jonah 4:1 "But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry"
Jonah 4:4 "But the Lord replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”
Jonah 4:10-11 "… the Lord said … I … have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people”
*I encourage reading the entire story to understand the full context of God’s mercy. I have only posted the verses I think are most relevant, please consult the full version.
There are other examples of other kingdoms whom God promised to destroy, too, but they were spared.
Like Jonah, I once also said that it is wrong for God, or any prophet, to proclaim something, and then not deliver on that promise.
I was angry to listen to liars, and we are also humiliated when what we say does not come true.
But there is a difference between the prophet who is false because what he says does not come true, and the prophet who repeats the already true word of God whom then decides to show mercy.
Prophets who are false use a made up story. This relies on God acting to prove the legitimacy of the prophet. The biblical examples also have ungodly agendas such as introducing paganism, or changing the law.
True prophets repeat the word of God verbatim. This does not rely on God acting to prove the legitimacy of the prophet, because the prophet is -already- doing everything correctly -prior- to the prophecy. Biblical examples show righteous agendas such as speaking up against pagan customs and lamenting over how the law has been changed.
In conclusion, God showing mercy is his providence.
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I used to be a pagan. Now it is my great joy to follow the guidance of Jesus Christ, who has a new name just as he promised. I came for the education, I stayed because of faith. I would not take such mercy for granted after he so gracefully delayed our destruction, which was in fact prophesied.
No one should ever apologize for repeating the words of God, even if the whole world hates them. Even if everyone in the whole world worships the beast.
Don’t you know where it is written, that both of these things are true?
So, that is the study I was denied? I didn't know that God promised to destroy a place & changed His mind. But that goes against what I believe. God will never break His promise. Nineveh must be destroyed because God promised it would happened. Maybe not at that time but it must happen. That makes since. "The world will end in 1988! But I have taken mercy on you. The world will end, but not in 1988." Isn't that a clear example of God breaking His promise? I'm so confused. Why is it that God has proven to me the 2 things I was taught He would never, but has done!?
So, that is the study I was denied? I didn't know that God promised to destroy a place & changed His mind. But that goes against what I believe. God will never break His promise. Nineveh must be destroyed because God promised it would happened. Maybe not at that time but it must happen. That makes since. "The world will end in 1988! But I have taken mercy on you. The world will end, but not in 1988." Isn't that a clear example of God breaking His promise? I'm so confused. Why is it that God has proven to me the 2 things I was taught He would never, but has done!?
I agree with Renita on this. Thank you
I agree with Renita on this. Thank you
So you think God was wrong to do what he did in the book of Jonah?
So you think God was wrong to do what he did in the book of Jonah?
Here's an interesting thing about Jonah. It's not something I read from a Bible scholar, just something I thought about, so take it as such…
Jonah 3:4
Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
The word for 'overthrown' is haphak, and it literally means 'turned'. It is to be upturned, transformed, changed, etc.
Nineveh wasn't overturned, as in destroyed, but it certainly was transformed, in a good way. Just a thought. ๐
It was finally destroyed in the book of Nahum, though.
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here's an interesting thing about Jonah. It's not something I read from a Bible scholar, just something I thought about, so take it as such…
Jonah 3:4
Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
The word for 'overthrown' is haphak, and it literally means 'turned'. It is to be upturned, transformed, changed, etc.
Nineveh wasn't overturned, as in destroyed, but it certainly was transformed, in a good way. Just a thought. ๐
It was finally destroyed in the book of Nahum, though.
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
genny wrote:
Here's an interesting thing about Jonah. It's not something I read from a Bible scholar, just something I thought about, so take it as such…
Jonah 3:4
Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
The word for 'overthrown' is haphak, and it literally means 'turned'. It is to be upturned, transformed, changed, etc.
Nineveh wasn't overturned, as in destroyed, but it certainly was transformed, in a good way. Just a thought. ๐
It was finally destroyed in the book of Nahum, though.
I was actually thinking about the same thing last night even we can think alike that is terrifying.
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here we are stuck on a disagreement unfortunatly, only South Korea was given the warning so only people in South Korea would have needed to repent. (I am assuming for the sake of argument this is all true history.
genny wrote:
Here's an interesting thing about Jonah. It's not something I read from a Bible scholar, just something I thought about, so take it as such…
Jonah 3:4
Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
The word for 'overthrown' is haphak, and it literally means 'turned'. It is to be upturned, transformed, changed, etc.
Nineveh wasn't overturned, as in destroyed, but it certainly was transformed, in a good way. Just a thought. ๐
It was finally destroyed in the book of Nahum, though.
I was actually thinking about the same thing last night even we can think alike that is terrifying.
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here we are stuck on a disagreement unfortunatly, only South Korea was given the warning so only people in South Korea would have needed to repent. (I am assuming for the sake of argument this is all true history.
Genny:
That makes sense. If we focus on "destroy" but don't see it destroyed, it looks like God broke His promise. But seeing that God did not say destroy, we cannot add the word destroy to the Scripture. Great point made & it really put my mind at ease.
About Koreans.. Jesus was a Jew who preached to the Jews, ascended to Heaven & told the Jews to preach even to Gentiles. What has been will be again. Ahnsahnghong was a Korean who preached to Koreans, ascended to Heaven & told the Koreans to preach to other races. GASP* Koreans are Jews & all others are Gentiles. I thought about this & asked my Korean Missionary about it. She confirmed.
Perhaps something great did happen in Korea in 1988. I would have to search the church website. Maybe there were record baptisms or something?? Idk..
Genny:
That makes sense. If we focus on "destroy" but don't see it destroyed, it looks like God broke His promise. But seeing that God did not say destroy, we cannot add the word destroy to the Scripture. Great point made & it really put my mind at ease.
About Koreans.. Jesus was a Jew who preached to the Jews, ascended to Heaven & told the Jews to preach even to Gentiles. What has been will be again. Ahnsahnghong was a Korean who preached to Koreans, ascended to Heaven & told the Koreans to preach to other races. GASP* Koreans are Jews & all others are Gentiles. I thought about this & asked my Korean Missionary about it. She confirmed.
Perhaps something great did happen in Korea in 1988. I would have to search the church website. Maybe there were record baptisms or something?? Idk..
Glad you liked that, shimon and renita. ๐
shimon wrote:
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here we are stuck on a disagreement unfortunatly, only South Korea was given the warning so only people in South Korea would have needed to repent. (I am assuming for the sake of argument this is all true history.
Wait a minute. Only South Korea was given the warning that the whole earth was ending? And if the people of South Korea repented then the whole world would be saved? Sorry, but that sounds kind of like a lame reinterpretation of a failed prophecy to me.
I check the 'church history' page of the main church website just to see what happened in 1988. It says:
"1988 March – Registered 10,000 members …
1994 September – Registered 50,000 members"
As a point of reference, the population of South Korea in 1988 was approximately 42 million people (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:KOR&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+korea+population)
So in 1988, approximately 0.024% of the population believed in the wmscog. (That's 10,000 out of 42,000,000)
And in 1994 it had grown to 0.11% (50,000 out of 44,400,000)
That's still only a fraction of a percent. And it doesn't take into account people who may have left the church but stayed on the roll. And besides we should only be talking about 1988 according to the prophecy, but there's no data before that to analyze.
Can we conclude that a massive repentance or revival happened in even just South Korea in 1988?
Glad you liked that, shimon and renita. ๐
shimon wrote:
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here we are stuck on a disagreement unfortunatly, only South Korea was given the warning so only people in South Korea would have needed to repent. (I am assuming for the sake of argument this is all true history.
Wait a minute. Only South Korea was given the warning that the whole earth was ending? And if the people of South Korea repented then the whole world would be saved? Sorry, but that sounds kind of like a lame reinterpretation of a failed prophecy to me.
I check the 'church history' page of the main church website just to see what happened in 1988. It says:
"1988 March – Registered 10,000 members …
1994 September – Registered 50,000 members"
As a point of reference, the population of South Korea in 1988 was approximately 42 million people (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:KOR&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+korea+population)
So in 1988, approximately 0.024% of the population believed in the wmscog. (That's 10,000 out of 42,000,000)
And in 1994 it had grown to 0.11% (50,000 out of 44,400,000)
That's still only a fraction of a percent. And it doesn't take into account people who may have left the church but stayed on the roll. And besides we should only be talking about 1988 according to the prophecy, but there's no data before that to analyze.
Can we conclude that a massive repentance or revival happened in even just South Korea in 1988?
So……. there's a book in the bible named Jonah. I just learned something new. =)
So……. there's a book in the bible named Jonah. I just learned something new. =)
genny wrote:
Glad you liked that, shimon and renita. ๐
shimon wrote:
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here we are stuck on a disagreement unfortunatly, only South Korea was given the warning so only people in South Korea would have needed to repent. (I am assuming for the sake of argument this is all true history.
Wait a minute. Only South Korea was given the warning that the whole earth was ending? And if the people of South Korea repented then the whole world would be saved? Sorry, but that sounds kind of like a lame reinterpretation of a failed prophecy to me.
I check the 'church history' page of the main church website just to see what happened in 1988. It says:
"1988 March – Registered 10,000 members …
1994 September – Registered 50,000 members"
As a point of reference, the population of South Korea in 1988 was approximately 42 million people (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:KOR&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+korea+population)
So in 1988, approximately 0.024% of the population believed in the wmscog. (That's 10,000 out of 42,000,000)
And in 1994 it had grown to 0.11% (50,000 out of 44,400,000)
That's still only a fraction of a percent. And it doesn't take into account people who may have left the church but stayed on the roll. And besides we should only be talking about 1988 according to the prophecy, but there's no data before that to analyze.
Can we conclude that a massive repentance or revival happened in even just South Korea in 1988?
You are not on the official count if you have not started or stop attending four services a month
genny wrote:
Glad you liked that, shimon and renita. ๐
shimon wrote:
The difference is that Nineveh had a massive time of repentance with Jonah, and so God had mercy.
What repentance and revival did the world have in 1988, turning to the 'truth' of the wmscog, to earn God's mercy? Nothing I can think of.
Here we are stuck on a disagreement unfortunatly, only South Korea was given the warning so only people in South Korea would have needed to repent. (I am assuming for the sake of argument this is all true history.
Wait a minute. Only South Korea was given the warning that the whole earth was ending? And if the people of South Korea repented then the whole world would be saved? Sorry, but that sounds kind of like a lame reinterpretation of a failed prophecy to me.
I check the 'church history' page of the main church website just to see what happened in 1988. It says:
"1988 March – Registered 10,000 members …
1994 September – Registered 50,000 members"
As a point of reference, the population of South Korea in 1988 was approximately 42 million people (http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:KOR&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+korea+population)
So in 1988, approximately 0.024% of the population believed in the wmscog. (That's 10,000 out of 42,000,000)
And in 1994 it had grown to 0.11% (50,000 out of 44,400,000)
That's still only a fraction of a percent. And it doesn't take into account people who may have left the church but stayed on the roll. And besides we should only be talking about 1988 according to the prophecy, but there's no data before that to analyze.
Can we conclude that a massive repentance or revival happened in even just South Korea in 1988?
You are not on the official count if you have not started or stop attending four services a month
shimon wrote:
You are not on the official count if you have not started or stop attending four services a month
Ok, but it's still a fraction of a percent. Would you conclude that a massive repentance and revival happened in South Korea in 1988 from the figures?
This reminds me of the failed prophecy of this group here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
shimon wrote:
You are not on the official count if you have not started or stop attending four services a month
Ok, but it's still a fraction of a percent. Would you conclude that a massive repentance and revival happened in South Korea in 1988 from the figures?
This reminds me of the failed prophecy of this group here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
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