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Renita says:
Serious question: As I understand, Jesus fulfilled the male sacrifices. But We understand that Jesus had to die because the male sacrifices consisted of killing the male animals. As I was taught, the heifer can only be fulfilled through the female Christ. According to the logic, "the animal died, so the Christ must die" the female Christ must also die. However, I was taught that Father was the example of the resurrection & Mother will be the example of transfiguration. In order to resurrect, you must die. According to the animal sacrificing logic, the female Christ must die. But she won’t because she will be the example of transfiguration. Those who are transformed will not die. How, then, is the Mother of the WMSCOG fulfilling the sacrifice of the heifer if She is not supposed to die?
admin says:
Renita,
Thank you for commenting but it is obvious that you didn’t take the time to actually read the article. Hebrews 9:13-14 clearly states the following: 13 The blood of goats and bulls [male cow] and the ashes of a heifer [female cow] sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! So Jesus fulfilled ALL of the animal sacrifices. Therefore, the gender of the animal was not relevant.
Renita says:
If the gender didn’t matter, why were all the animal sacrifices male except that one female? Does the bible explain why a female lamb could not be used for the Passover?
admin says:
Renita,
Yes a male lamb was required for the Passover but not for all animal sacrifices. See Leviticus 3:1: When his offering is a sacrifice of a peace offering, if he offers it of the herd, whether male or female, he shall offer it without blemish before the LORD. Leviticus 1:14 does not specify whether the turtledoves or pigeons were male or female either. 1 Kings 8:63 talks about Solomon sacrificing 22,000 bulls and 120,000 sheep. Do you think that all of the sheep were male? If they had been male, they would have been referred to as rams (male sheep) like in other verses such as in Leviticus 8:21, 9:4, Psalm 66:15, etc. But still you miss the point…Jesus’ sacrifice was greater than all of these regardless of gender. Therefore, there is no need for another sacrifice.
Renita says:
The WMSCOG teaches shadow & reality. I’m asking questions about the shadow, not the reality. So, please, stop saying I’m missing the point. What I now see is that the shadow doesn’t specify whether the sacrifices were male or female. Therefore, the reality shouldn’t matter if Christ were male or female. Just as long as Christ was sacrificed. The Christ who was sacrificed was Jesus who fulfills all sacrifices, whether male or female, as A. Paul explained. But now I am confused about another point the COG makes. Perhaps you can explain to me this is wrong. The COG told me that God the Father & God the Mother are 1. That Adam & Eve represent them respectively. That Eve always existed inside Adam but was made apart from Adam later. Could it be that Jesus fulfilled both gender sacrifices because He is God? According to how I was taught about Eve being God the Mother & that she always existed inside Adam (God the Father) & Jesus is God the Father, it makes sense that He fulfilled the sacrifices. Because Mother was there. Father & Mother are 1 like Adam & Eve were (& other married people Eph 5:31). I don’t know.. I’m going to ask them about that. They didn’t tell me this concerning Jesus fulfilled the sacrifices because Mother was there. I just thought about it right now.
Loocpoc said, "I can go tit for tat with scripture to prove Jesus was not G-d in the flesh along with Ahn and Zhang…."
Loocpoc, I am curious. What do you mean by scripture? Are you talking about the Bible? The 4 Gospels and everything following them in the New Testament are all about the divinity of Jesus. I don't understand where your tit for tat would come from???
First coming never failed that isn't the purpose of the second coming.
loocpoc wrote:
Just a heads up but Jews dont have a bible per say….
I have a great interest in Judaism. And a great interest in Christianity. Basically, I think, you want to argue against the Messianic view of Jesus. There are scriptures in the Old Testament that point to a saviour being born. That there will come a Messiah. Your argument would be based on proving that Jesus was NOT the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. That would automatically disprove his divinity also, in my opinion. So I would like to see some of your arguments. I think you can put together a convincing argument that Jesus is not Divine and that Jesus is not the Messiah. But I would like to see how you do it.
You say Jews don't have a Bible. That is correct. Jews have the Torah. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Christian Bible. Those were the books Moses brought down. Then you have the books of the Prophets and the other special books like Psalms, Daniel, Job, etc. The great books of the Jewish faith are very close to what Christians read as their Old Testament. That is why I tell people, put your finger in the Bible where the New Testament begins …. you will see that easily 70% of the Bible are Jewish sacred books.
nonsensical he performed actions of a prophet when he prophesied to Nebuchadnezzar
where does the scripture define a prophet and how?
Oh, Heck, Shimon!!!! My god, read the prophets in the Old Testament. They define themselves …. Are You Awake??????
that is circular logic
Though it may seem like a silly question, it isn’t. The COG focuses so much on how everything must be fulfilled perfectly. How to keep the Feasts, what it means to be like isaac. Interestingly, the bible hasn’t laid out like the commandments what a prophet is but it does give many comparisons between gods prophets and other prophets. Question: how are witches and psychics explained? how am I supposed to tell the difference between gods true prophets and a psychic who pretends to believe in god?
I’m afraid of going to gypsies and witches.. I’m afraid they’ll curse me with their voodoo for fun.
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