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		<title>Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven? Part 7 &#8211; Revelation</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>Despite numerous counter-arguments, World Mission Society Church of God members continue to attempt to defend&#160;doctrinal claims that humans are all fallen angels from heaven. &#160;In a recent conversation with a WMSCOG member, the member attempted to substantiate these claims with&#160;Revelation 3:12. The WMSCOG member explained that since Jesus said he will make the person who [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Despite <a title="Angels Before?" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/angels-before/" target="_blank">numerous counter-arguments</a>, <a href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/who-is-the-world-mission-society-church-of-god/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">World Mission Society Church of God</a> members continue to attempt to defend&nbsp;doctrinal claims that humans are all fallen angels from heaven. &nbsp;In a recent conversation with a WMSCOG member, the member attempted to substantiate these claims with&nbsp;<a href="http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/3-12.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Revelation 3:12 (opens in a new tab)">Revelation 3:12</a>.</p>


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			<p>Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it&#8230;</p>
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									<span class="quote-author-name">											Revelation 3:12										</span>				
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<p>The WMSCOG member explained that since Jesus said he will make the person who overcomes into a pillar in a <em>heavenly temple</em>, and also said that the person <em>would never leave it again</em>, this proves that the person <em>must have been in heaven before</em>.</p>



<h4><strong>Does Revelation 3:12 Support The WMSCOG&#8217;s Fallen Angels Theory?</strong></h4>



<p>I looked up the <a href="http://interlinearbible.org/revelation/3-12.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">verse in the interlinear Bible</a> and noted something interesting. &nbsp;The Greek word for &#8220;who overcomes&#8221; is <strong><a href="http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3528.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">&#8220;nikao&#8221;</a></strong>. &nbsp;Nikao means to be victorious, subdue, conquer and implies a battle.</p>



<p>In the Bible it is not uncommon for the church to be referred to as a temple and Christians as part of it.</p>


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			<p>Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?&#8230;for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple. </p>
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									<span class="quote-author-name">											1 Corinthians 3:16-17										</span>				
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			<p>Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?&#8230; </p>
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									<span class="quote-author-name">											1 Corinthians 6:19										</span>				
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			<p>What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God&#8230;</p>
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									<span class="quote-author-name">											2 Corinthians 6:16										</span>				
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			<p>&#8230;you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a]&#8230; ***footnote: or into a temple of the Spirit.</p>
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									<span class="quote-author-name">											1 Peter 2:5 										</span>				
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<p>The apostle Paul refers to James, Peter and John as &#8220;pillars&#8221; in <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%202:9&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Galatians 2:9</a>.  Therefore, we can conclude that those who are strong in their faith in Jesus Christ&nbsp;<strong>are already</strong> considered to be pillars in His temple. &nbsp;In <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%203:11&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Revelation 3:11</a> Jesus tells us that he is coming soon. &nbsp;After that in <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%203:12&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">verse 12</a>, Jesus says that he will make those who overcome pillars in His heavenly temple. &nbsp;Then what does it mean when Jesus says <em><span style="color: #9e0031;">&#8220;never again will he leave it&#8221;</span></em>?</p>



<div class="wp-block-image"><figure class="aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" width="640" height="399" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/07/Solomons_Pillars.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-127031" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/07/Solomons_Pillars.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/07/Solomons_Pillars-300x187.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /><figcaption>Solomon&#8217;s Pillars, Timna Park, Israel</figcaption></figure></div>



<h4><strong>Characteristics Of Temple Pillars</strong></h4>



<p>Temple pillars were for support and partly for ornament. &nbsp;But not all of the characteristics of the pillar apply to man. &nbsp;Man cannot <span style="color: #1446a0;"><em>physically support</em></span> the temple as physical pillars do. Then being made a pillar of the temple is to be referred to as a very important part of the temple of God. &nbsp;How <strong>honorable</strong> to made into a pillar that supports God&#8217;s eternal temple!</p>



<p>A physical pillar <span style="color: #1446a0;"><em>cannot &#8220;leave&#8221;</em></span> the temple it supports. &nbsp;But man&#8217;s strength in the battle against the evils of temptation, ones own errors, and ones own sinful nature can waver over time. &nbsp;We are not always in the graces of God, yet at other times our faith is strong and we are metaphorically pillars of God&#8217;s temple. &nbsp;As a pillar of God&#8217;s&nbsp;<strong>eternal temple</strong>, we are assured that our soul <span style="color: #1446a0;"><em>will no longer be periled</em></span>, that we shall <span style="color: #1446a0;"><em>never again be in danger of falling into temptation</em></span>, that <span style="color: #1446a0;"><em>no enemy will have the strength to alienate us from God</em></span>, that we will have<span style="color: #1446a0;"><em> eternal life</em></span>. &nbsp;When God makes us a pillar in His heavenly temple and says that we will never again leave Him, it means that once we are in heaven we will <span style="color: #1446a0;"><em>never sin again or turn away from Him</em></span> again as we do at different times during our life of sin on earth. &nbsp;The battle we face on earth against sin and temptation seems never ending. &nbsp;But there is hope when we have faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. &nbsp;Once we admit that we are sinners, we can accept that Jesus paid the debt for our sins by shedding his blood on the cross.</p>



<h4><strong>Conclusion</strong></h4>



<p><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%203:12&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Revelation 3:12</a> does not provide support for the WMSCOG&#8217;s theory that we were angels in heaven before being born on earth. &nbsp;Despite <a title="Angels Before?" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/angels-before/" target="_blank">six other counter-arguments</a>, members of the WMSCOG continue to believe in the WMSCOG&#8217;s <a href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/category/doctrine/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">consistent misinterpretations of the Bible</a>. But why does the World Mission Society Church of God teach such an erroneous doctrine?</p>



<p>According to cult expert <a href="http://www.reveal.org/library/psych/shassan.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Steve Hassan&#8217;s BITE Model</a>, destructive mind control groups use guilt to control their members. &nbsp;When the World Mission Society Church of God is successful in getting a member to believe that he or she was an angel in heaven that sinned against God,&nbsp;the WMSCOG is in essence getting that person to <strong>confess to a crime that they never committed</strong>.</p>



<p>When I was in the WMSCOG, they taught members that they tried to be higher than God by attempting to <a title="Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven?  Part 3 – Ezekiel" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/are-we-angels-that-were-kicked-out-of-heaven-part-3-ezekiel/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">draw a relationship between the sins of the King of Tyre and humans</a>. &nbsp;The members often then felt immensely guilty.&nbsp; This caused some to <a title="“Boast About God”–Is God’s Grace Free?" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/boast-about-god-is-gods-grace-free/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">work for their salvation</a>, and in turn they ended up working for the organization. &nbsp;Once this happened, the WMSCOG had almost complete control over the person (as I saw happen in several instances).&nbsp; Guilt can act as leverage to get a person to comply with an organization&#8217;s demands to spend all of their time studying, recruiting, partaking in ceremonial observances of the law, paying tithes, giving freewill offerings, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uw7S2450u8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">neglecting their spouses and families</a>, etc.&nbsp; This lesson (which the WMSCOG calls &#8220;The Forgiveness of Sins&#8221;) is taught to new recruits early on.</p>



<p>We pray that members of the World Mission Society Church of God, bound by spiritual chains, wake up and believe that our Lord has given us His gift of eternal life freely (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3:24&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Romans 3:24</a>, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:6&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ephesians 1:6</a>).</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>In discussions with more than one World Mission Society Church of God member about their claims that all people on earth must have sinned in heaven prior to being born physically on earth, I still come up empty on any solid Biblical support for this pivotal part in the WMSCOG doctrine. &#160;Thus far, the WMSCOG&#8217;s [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">In discussions with more than one World Mission Society Church of God member about their claims that all people on earth must have sinned in heaven prior to being born physically on earth, I still come up empty on any solid Biblical support for this pivotal part in the WMSCOG doctrine. &nbsp;Thus far, the WMSCOG&#8217;s claims that there is Biblical support for their theory, their arguments have been refuted in <a title="Angels Before?" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/angels-before/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Parts 1-5 of the Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out of Heaven series</a> of articles. &nbsp;I would like to take the opportunity to examine an additional claim for support to their theory. &nbsp;I have been told by more than one WMSCOG member that <span style="color: #9e0031;"><em>the reason that infants die at birth is because they must have sinned in heaven</em></span>. &nbsp;The WMSCOG members then cite the following verse:</span></p>


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			<p>For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. </p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;">The WMSCOG members that I have spoken to conclude that because the wages of sin is death, if an infant dies at birth or shortly thereafter, the infant must have sinned prior to being born since the infant has not yet had the opportunity to sin here on earth.</span></p>



<p><span style="color: #333333;">In order to examine the WMSCOG members&#8217; claims, I would like to note additional verses in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Romans chapter 6</a> in order to gain a better understanding of the context.</span></p>


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			<p>1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his&#8230;15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!..21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[b] Christ Jesus our Lord. </p>
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<p><span style="color: #333333;"><strong>First</strong>, I would like to note that Paul says in verse 3 that those that were <span style="color: #9e0031;"><em>&#8220;baptized into Christ were baptized into his death&#8221;</em></span>. &nbsp;What death did Jesus Christ suffer? &nbsp;Christ suffered a death of the <em>physical body</em> but was&nbsp;<em>resurrected</em> 3 days later. &nbsp;Verse 5 says that we have been united with Jesus in a <em>death like his</em> (a physical one) and also united with Jesus in a <em>similar resurrection</em>. </span></p>



<p><span style="color: #333333;"><strong>Second</strong>, the apostle Paul advises that as believers in Jesus Christ, we should not continue to sin just because we are <em>no longer under the law but under grace</em>. &nbsp;Paul says that the sins committed under the law <span style="color: #9e0031;"><em>&#8220;result in death&#8221;</em></span>. &nbsp;The old covenant law identified sin but did not provide the forgiveness that we receive under the grace of Jesus Christ (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208:1-4&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Romans 8:1-4</a>). </span></p>



<p><span style="color: #333333;"><strong>Third</strong>, Paul uses the affirmative tense when he states <span style="color: #9e0031;"><em>&#8220;<strong>now</strong> that you have been set free from sin&#8221;</em></span>. &nbsp;He explains that as we die to sin (v.2), are baptized in Jesus Christ (v.3), are united with Jesus in (physical death) and (spiritual) resurrection (v.5) we receive the gift of eternal life (v.22).</span></p>



<h4><strong>Conclusion</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #333333;">Do the above verses support the WMSCOG&#8217;s idea that there is no other explanation for infant deaths, except for them having committed sin in heaven prior to being born? </span></p>



<p><span style="color: #333333;"><strong>Absolutely not. </strong>The apostle Paul clearly <em>does not</em> refer to physical death as being the wages of sin. &nbsp;All humans on earth will experience physical death regardless of sin. &nbsp;Which death did Jesus save us from? &nbsp;Jesus saved us from <em>eternal death</em> by giving us the <em>free gift of eternal life</em>. &nbsp;A sinner goes to hell because he deserves it, but a righteous person goes to heaven because of Jesus Christ&#8217;s sacrifice on the cross.</span></p>



<p><span style="color: #333333;">Since infants that die at birth or shortly thereafter have not lived long enough to have had the opportunity to sin, one can conclude that their spirits go to heaven and <span style="color: #9e0031;"><strong>not</strong> to hell</span> as the WMSCOG&#8217;s theory would conclude.</span></p>



<p><span style="color: #333333;">Thus, Paul is not talking about physical death, but about spiritual resurrection.</span></p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>In Chapter 13 (titled “Where is Human Soul From?”) of his book &#8220;Visitors From The Angelic World&#8220; (p. 39), Ahn Sahng Hong argues that the human soul once existed as an angel in heaven.   The first thing to notice is that Ahn Sahng Hong omitted quite a bit of information included in these verses. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>In Chapter 13 (titled <span style="color: #800080;"><span style="color: #000000;">“</span><span style="color: #9e0031;">Where is Human Soul From?</span><span style="color: #000000;">”</span></span>) of his book &#8220;<span style="color: #800080;"><span style="color: #9e0031;">Visitors From The Angelic World</span><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;</span> <span style="color: #9e0031;">(p. 39)</span></span>, Ahn Sahng Hong argues that the human soul once existed as an angel in heaven.  </p>


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			<p>&#8230;the Apostle Paul wrote that all the forefathers of faith thought of the previous world they had left&#8230;[references Hebrews 11:13-16] And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.  People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.</p>
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<p>The first thing to notice is that Ahn Sahng Hong <strong>omitted</strong> quite a bit of information included in these verses.  Here are <a href="https://biblehub.com/niv/hebrews/11.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="the verses in their entirety (opens in a new tab)">the verses in their <strong>entirety</strong></a>.</p>


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			<p>All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.  People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.  If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.  Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.</p>
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									<span class="quote-author-name">											Hebrews 11:13-16										</span>				
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<p>Ahn Sahng Hong claims that the forefathers thought of the previous <span style="color: #9e0031;"><strong>world</strong></span> they left.  But Paul writes, “If they had been thinking of the <strong><span style="color: #9e0031;">country</span></strong> they had left&#8230;”  Just a slight twist of words that distorts the meaning of the verses.  Ahn Sahng Hong fails to mention that <strong>Abraham had in fact left a country.</strong> The Bible tells us that Abraham and Sarah left the country of Ur of the Chaldeans and set off for the land of Canaan (<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11:31&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Genesis 11:31</a>).<br>See also <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+15:7&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Genesis 15:7</a> and <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Nehemiah+9:7&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Nehemiah 9:7</a>.<br></p>



<p>Click <a href="http://www.biblestudy.org/maps/journey-of-abraham-to-promised-land-and-egypt-large-map.html">here</a> for a map of Abraham’s Journey from Ur of the Chaldeans to Canaan.  Chaldea and Babylon were synonymous in the Bible (see the footnotes for <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23:13-15&amp;version=NIV)" target="_blank">Ezekiel 23:14-15</a>) and therefore both were countries that were known for idol worship and prostitution.  Abraham left the country of Chaldea to flee to the land of Canaan, the land promised to him by the Lord (<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+15:7&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Genesis 15:7</a>).</p>



<p>If you <span style="color: #9e0031;"><strong>consider the Biblical history</strong></span> behind the statements that Paul makes in Hebrews 11:13-16, it is clear that Paul refers to Abraham having the opportunity to return to Chaldea <strong>if</strong> he would have wanted to, but <strong>instead</strong> Abraham chose to continue to the land of Canaan as the Lord commanded him (see also <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%207:3-5&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Acts 7:3-5</a>).</p>



<p>On p. 39 Ahn Sahng Hong also writes: </p>


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			<p>&#8230;all men in this earth are aliens and strangers from the previous world.</p>
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<h4><strong>Do the above referenced verses in Hebrews support Ahn Sahng Hong&#8217;s theory?</strong></h4>



<p>Abraham viewed himself as a <strong>temporary resident on earth</strong> and chose to focus on his final destination, the heavenly city that God had prepared for him and his descendants.  Abraham says that he is a <strong>foreigner and a stranger on the ground</strong> where he wished to purchase a burial place for the sons of Heth in <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2023:4&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Genesis 23:4</a>.  The Lord tells Abraham that he “now resides as a foreigner” in the land of Canaan in <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+17:8&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Genesis 17:8</a>.  Ahn Sahng Hong&#8217;s <strong>theory</strong> that Abraham was a stranger on earth because his country of origin was heaven, <strong>is not supported by the Bible</strong>.</p>



<h4><strong>Conclusion</strong></h4>



<p>The Scriptures that Ahn Sahng Hong uses in an <strong>attempt</strong> to prove his claim that we were angels in heaven before living here on earth are <strong><a title="Ahnsahnghong Vs Scripture" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/ahnsahnghong-vs-scripture/" target="_blank">clearly misinterpreted and taken out of context</a>. </strong></p>



<p>1.  <strong>Abraham had in fact left the actual country of Chaldea</strong>.  Abraham could have returned if he had chosen to.<br>2.  “<strong>Instead</strong>” (see above v.16), Abraham had faith in the promise of a better and heavenly land, the land of Canaan that the Lord promised him, and therefore considered himself a <strong>temporary resident</strong> here on earth.<br>3.  While it is clear that Abraham viewed himself as a temporary resident on earth, this <strong>does not support</strong> Ahn Sahng Hong&#8217;s claim that we existed as angels in heaven prior to existing on earth.</p>



<p>Hebrews 11:13-16 is more likely to be an analogy to what takes place when a person chooses to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. &nbsp;When one becomes a Christian, he or she while having the opportunity to return to their pre-Christian way of living and to the temporary things of this world, instead chooses to live by faith in the promise of salvation that Jesus made to us.</p>



<p>Ahn Sahng Hong&#8217;s arguments regarding the human soul have yet to be Biblically supported.  See the &#8220;<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/angels-before/" target="_blank">Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven</a>&#8221; series.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>As discussed in Parts 1, 2 and 3 of the “Were We Angels That Were Kicked Out of Heaven” series, the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) believes that all people on earth existed as angels in heaven before existing as humans on earth. Can this be possible when we examine what the Scriptures [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">As discussed in <a title="Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven?  Part 1 – Proverbs" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/are-we-angels-that-were-kicked-out-of-heaven-part-1-proverbs/">Parts 1</a>, <a title="Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven?  Part 2 – Isaiah" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/are-we-angels-that-were-kicked-out-of-heaven-part-2-isaiah/">2</a> and <a title="Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven?  Part 3 – Ezekiel" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/are-we-angels-that-were-kicked-out-of-heaven-part-3-ezekiel/">3</a> of the “<a title="Evidence" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/evidence/">Were We Angels That Were Kicked Out of Heaven</a>” series, the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) believes that all people on earth existed as angels in heaven before existing as humans on earth. Can this be possible when we examine what the Scriptures tell us about when angels were created?</span></p>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>When Were Angels Created?</strong></h4>



<p>The Bible tells us that angels have not always existed but instead are part of the universe that God created. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%202:1&amp;version=NIV">Genesis 2:1</a><span style="color: #000000;"> tells us that:</span></p>


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			<p>&#8230;the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;"> <em><span style="color: #9e0031;"><strong>Host</strong></span></em> is another word for <span style="color: #9e0031;"><em><strong>angels</strong></em></span> as seen in </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalms%20148:2&amp;version=NIV">Psalm 148:2</a><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span style="color: #008000;"> </span></em></span></p>


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			<p>Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his heavenly hosts.</p>
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<p>See also <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=nehemiah%209:6&amp;version=NIV">Nehemiah 9:6</a>.   <span style="color: #000000;">It can easily be determined that <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2020:11&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">angels were created before the 7th day</a>. </span></p>


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			<p>For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them&#8230;</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">In the <a href="https://biblehub.com/niv/genesis/1.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Bible there is evidence (opens in a new tab)">Bible there is evidence</a> to suggest that angels were created on the <strong>1st day</strong>. </span></p>


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			<p>In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty&#8230;</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">No further mention of <strong>creation in heaven</strong> is made in the verses following Genesis 1:1.  The earth on the other hand was uninhabitable at this point in creation.  The fact that angels were created before the earth is further supported by <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job%2038:6-7&amp;version=NIV">Job 38:6-7</a>. </span></p>


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			<p>On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?</p>
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<p>Since the <span style="color: #9e0031;"><strong>angels sang and shouted for joy</strong></span> while God was making the world inhabitable, this suggests that <strong>angels were created early on the 1st day, but man was not created until the sixth day.</strong></p>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>Angels Vs. Humans</strong></h4>



<ul><li><span style="color: #000000;">God will someday give us authority to judge angels (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:3&amp;version=NIV">1 Corinthians 6:3</a>), so the two are distinct .</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">Humans are seen as beneath angels (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%202:7&amp;version=NIV">Hebrews 2:7</a>).</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">Angels serve those humans who are to inherit salvation (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201:14&amp;version=NIV">Hebrews 1:14</a>).</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">Humans can bear children in their own image (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%205:3&amp;version=NIV">Genesis 5:3</a>) while angels can not have children (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2022:30&amp;version=NIV">Matthew 22:30</a>, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2020:34-36&amp;version=NIV">Luke 20:34-36</a>).</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">God did not spare any of the angels that sinned against him (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20peter%202:4&amp;version=NIV">2Peter 2:4</a>, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=jude%201:6&amp;version=NIV">Jude 6</a>) but sent them to hell to await judgement.</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #9e0031;"><em>“For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.”</em></span> <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews%202:16&amp;version=NIV">Hebrews 2:16</a>.</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">But of the human race God has decided to redeem a great multitude that no one can number (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelation%207:9&amp;version=NIV">Revelation 7:9</a>) in order to demonstrate his great mercy and grace. &nbsp;Angels, however, are not redeemed.</span></li></ul>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>Conclusion</strong></h4>



<ol><li><span style="color: #000000;">Angels and man were created at different times.</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">The Bible makes clear distinctions between humans and angels.</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">The Bible tells us that the angels that sinned against God were not spared and instead were sent to hell to await judgement.</span></li><li><span style="color: #000000;">All humans sinned (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%203:23&amp;version=NIV">Romans 3:23</a>, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%205:12&amp;version=NIV">5:12</a>).  Jesus Christ came to sanctify human sinners <strong>once and for all</strong> (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews%2010:10&amp;version=NIV">Hebrews 10:10</a>), but not the fallen angels.</span></li></ol>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">Therefore, the Bible <strong>does not</strong> support the WMSCOG’s claim that humans ever existed as angels.</span></p>
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		<title>Are We Angels That Were Kicked Out Of Heaven? Part 3 &#8211; Ezekiel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>In the online sermon &#8220;The Wages Of Sin Is Death&#8220;, the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) claims that “the king of Tyre lived before he came to earth” citing Ezekiel 28:11-17. If you read all of Ezekiel chapters 27 and 28 though, it is clear that a parallel is drawn between the fall [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">In the online sermon &#8220;</span><a href="http://english.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1103" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">The Wages Of Sin Is Death</a><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;, the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) claims that “<em>t<span style="color: #9e0031;">he king of Tyre lived before he came to earth</span></em>” citing </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel 28:11-17&amp;version=NIV">Ezekiel 28:11-17</a><span style="color: #000000;">. If you read all of Ezekiel chapters </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+27&amp;version=NIV">27</a><span style="color: #000000;"> and </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28&amp;version=NIV">28</a><span style="color: #000000;"> though, it is clear that a parallel is drawn between the fall of the king of Tyre and the fall of Lucifer from heaven.</span></p>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">The King of Tyre as a person, is rebuked specifically for his sinful ways in chapter </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+27&amp;version=NIV">27</a><span style="color: #000000;">. &nbsp;Chapter 27 enumerates King Tyre’s <span style="font-style: italic;">specific </span>sins. <strong>King Tyre’s fall from grace</strong>, mirrors Lucifer’s fall from heaven. &nbsp;In Chapter </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28&amp;version=NIV">28</a><span style="color: #000000;">, Ezekiel is sent by God to declare to King Tyre how shameful his fall is, and how similar it mirrors Lucifer&#8217;s. &nbsp;In Chapter 28, we see King Tyre’s unfortunate fall paralleled to that of Lucifer’s. &nbsp;The WMSCOG cites only Chapter 28 in an attempt to argue that <span style="color: #9e0031;">“<em>we were angels in heaven</em>”</span>. &nbsp;If read out of context, one could be confused as to who Ezekiel is speaking about when he addresses King Tyre in Chapter 28. &nbsp;When we read the entire Bible, and in this case, Chapter 27 first, we clearly see that King Tyre is addressed in Chapter 27, and that Chapter 28 is actually a <strong>parallel</strong> to Lucifer, and does <strong>not</strong> represent King Tyre himself. &nbsp;This is illustrated best in the table below.</span></p>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">It is important not to take Scripture <strong>out of context</strong>, for otherwise it could be twisted to mean anything. &nbsp;As the Apostle Paul’s says <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 john 4:1&amp;version=NIV">1 John 4:1</a>, we must “<span style="color: #9e0031;">test the spirits to see whether they are from God</span>”.</span></p>



<figure class="wp-block-table"><table class=""><tbody><tr><td><strong>King of Tyre</strong></td><td><strong>Lucifer</strong></td></tr><tr><td>27:36 You will become a horror, and be no more forever.</td><td>28:19 You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever.</td></tr><tr><td>27:11 They made your beauty perfect.</td><td>28:12 Full of wisdom and perfect beauty.</td></tr><tr><td>26:20 then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit&#8230;</td><td>28: 8 They shall throw you down into the Pit&#8230;</td></tr><tr><td>27:3 &nbsp;Tyre&#8230;merchant to the peoples&#8230;</td><td>28:16 By the abundance of your trading&#8230;</td></tr><tr><td>27:15 &#8230;ivory tusks and ebony as payment&#8230;<br>27:16 &nbsp;They gave you your wares emeralds, purple, embroidery, fine linen, corals, and rubies.<br>27:22 &nbsp;&#8230;all kinds of precious stones, and gold.</td><td>28:13 &#8230;Every prescious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold&#8230;</td></tr><tr><td>27:33 &#8230;With your many luxury goods and your mechandise&#8230;</td><td>28:4 &#8230;You have gained riches for yourself, And gathered gold and silver.</td></tr></tbody></table></figure>



<p>By failing to read and fully examining the Scriptures, <a href="http://english.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1103&amp;page=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" aria-label="the WMSCOG has concluded (opens in a new tab)">the WMSCOG has concluded</a> the following:</p>


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			<p>In the above verses, we can see that the angels, who became proud and tried to raise their throne above the stars of God, finally committed sin and were punished by God.  Through the case of the king of Babylon and the king of Tyre, God shows us how grave sin we committed in heaven before we came to this earth.</p>
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<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>Conclusion</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">Thus, it is clear that&nbsp;<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+27&amp;version=NIV">Ezekiel 27</a>&nbsp;speaks about the downfall of the city of Tyre, while <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28&amp;version=NIV">Ezekiel 28</a> is drawing a parallel between the king of Tyre and Lucifer&#8217;s fall from grace. The reasons for the downfall of the city <strong>and</strong> the king of Tyre are <strong>the same</strong>. &nbsp;Therefore, there is no clear Biblical support for the theory that the &nbsp;king of Tyre <strong>ever</strong> existed as an angel.</span></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>In Part 1, I demonstrated how the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) misinterprets verses in the book of Proverbs in an attempt to prove that we were once angels that were kicked out of heaven. In the online sermon titled &#8220;The Wages Of Sin Is Death&#8220;, the WMSCOG goes on to argue that [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">In <a href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/are-we-angels-that-were-kicked-out-of-heaven-part-1-proverbs/">Part 1</a>, I demonstrated how the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) misinterprets verses in the book of Proverbs in an attempt to prove that we were once angels that were kicked out of heaven. In the online sermon titled &#8220;</span><a href="http://english.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1103" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)"><span style="color: #000080;">The Wages Of Sin Is Death</span></a><span style="color: #000000;">&#8220;, the WMSCOG goes on to argue that we existed before we came to earth by also using passages from the book of Isaiah.</span></p>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>Proof in Isaiah?</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">The WMSCOG says <a href="http://english.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1103" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">in their online sermon</a> that <em><span style="color: #9e0031;">&#8220;the king of Babylon lived before he came to the earth</span></em>”. &nbsp;The WMSCOG attempts to make this argument by saying that&nbsp;<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2014:4-15&amp;version=NIV">Isaiah 14:4-15</a> refers to the King of Babylon. &nbsp;Let&#8217;s take a look at what&nbsp;<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2014:4-15&amp;version=NIV">Isaiah 14:4-15</a> says in the Bible:</span></p>


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			<p>&#8230;you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon&#8230;How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.  I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”  But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">Well Isaiah certainly does talk about somebody who was cast down to Earth, but who does Isaiah talk about? &nbsp;The WMSCOG says that <a href="http://english.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1103" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener nofollow" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)">this verse refers to the King of Babylon</a>. &nbsp;The <strong>problem</strong> with this interpretation is that the poorly translated NIV <strong>substitutes</strong> the name Lucifer for morning star. </span></p>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>An NIV Mistranslation</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">The name Lucifer is found in the Bible only one time in the KJV in&nbsp;<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2014:12&amp;version=KJV">Isaiah 14:12</a>. &nbsp;<strong><em>This is the same passage</em></strong> the WMSCOG erroneously uses from the NIV in an attempt to justify their teaching.</span></p>


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			<p>How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! </p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">There was <strong>no need</strong> for the translators of the NIV to substitute Lucifer in this verse for any other word <strong>in&nbsp;an attempt&nbsp;to make it easier for the reader to understand the context</strong>. &nbsp;However, the NIV (a notoriously poor translation) by doing so, makes the verse more ambiguous and open to misinterpretation by substituting “<strong>morning star</strong>” for&nbsp;<span style="color: #9e0031;">Lucifer</span>.</span></p>



<h4><strong>Thus, The Verse Can Not Refer to the King of Babylon</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">It is clear in the <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=job%201:6&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Bible (opens in a new tab)">Bible</a> that Satan was in heaven before being hurled to the earth.</span></p>


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			<p>One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.  </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2014:12&amp;version=KJV">Isaiah 14:12</a><span style="color: #000000;">, in an accurate Bible translation (such as the KJV), tells us that the verse the WMSCOG says refers to the king of Babylon, actually refers to the fall of Lucifer.</span></p>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>In Conclusion</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">Thus, Isaiah <strong>does not</strong> refer to humans existing in heaven as angels before living on earth, but instead draws a <strong>parallel </strong>between the sin that the </span><strong style="color: #000000;">king of Babylon </strong><span style="color: #000000;">committed and the sin that </span><strong style="color: #000000;">Satan</strong><span style="color: #000000;"> committed before being sent earth.  They both wished to be greater than God.  When we read </span><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2014:4-15&amp;version=NIV">Isaiah 14:4-15</a><span style="color: #000000;"> in a better translation, we see that the WMSCOG&#8217;s argument easily fails&#8211;that the verse is most certainly </span><strong style="color: #000000;">not</strong><span style="color: #000000;"> talking about the king of Babylon. Sorry, but the Bible very clearly states it is not the king of Babylon. For an organization <a title="Beliefs" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/beliefs/">claiming to be run by a &#8220;god&#8221;,</a> they certainly <a title="Evidence" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/evidence/">get it wrong on Scripture</a> a <strong>lot</strong>.  Moreover, their founder, whom <a title="Who is Ahnsahnghong?" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/who-is-ahnsahnghong/">they claim was the re-incarnation</a> of Jesus Christ, also <a title="Ahnsahnghong Vs Scripture" href="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/archives/ahnsahnghong-vs-scripture/">contradicted Scripture in his own writings</a>.</span></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<div style="margin-bottom:20px;"><img width="640" height="427" src="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg" class="attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image" alt="" loading="lazy" srcset="https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03.jpg 640w, https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/ex-content/uploads/2011/04/640px-Fuente_del_Ángel_Caído_-_03-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /></div>In an online sermon titled, “The Wages Of Sin Is Death”, the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) claims that humans lived as angels in heaven prior to being kicked out for sinning against God. The Argument From Proverbs In the above sermon, the WMSCOG attempts to prove that “we were angels in heaven” [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">In an online sermon titled, “</span><a href="http://english.watv.org/truth/sermon/content.asp?idx=1103&amp;page=1" ref="nofollow">The Wages Of Sin Is Death</a><span style="color: #000000;">”, the World Mission Society Church of God (WMSCOG) claims that humans lived as angels in heaven prior to being kicked out for sinning against God.</span></p>


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			<p>The Bible teaches us that we were angels in heaven before we were born on this earth. What happened to us in heaven, that Christ urged us to repent when He came to this earth to save mankind and first began to preach?</p>
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<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>The Argument From Proverbs</strong></h4>



<p><span style="color: #000000;">In the above sermon, the WMSCOG attempts to prove that “we were angels in heaven” before we came to Earth by reading from <span style="color: #ff0000;"><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%208:23-31&amp;version=NIVhttp://">Proverbs 8:22-31</a></span> saying:</span></p>


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			<p>The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. . . and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.</p>
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			<p>In the above verses, &#8216;I&#8217; designates Solomon, who was the third king of Israel. When he wrote the book of Proverbs, he stated that he already existed before the creation of the earth. From this, we can see that he existed as a spiritual being before he came to this earth─that he lived in the angelic world, the kingdom of God.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">Because the WMSCOG thinks that the “<strong>I</strong>” refers to Solomon, they attempt to justify that Solomon (and thereby all human beings) existed in heaven before they existed on earth.</span><br><span style="color: #000000;">However, this idea </span><strong><span style="color: #000000;">cannot be reconciled with</span> <span style="color: #9e0031;">Scripture</span></strong>. &nbsp;<span style="color: #000000;">It can not even be reconciled with the passage they argue from. &nbsp;Here, the literary device of </span><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personification">personification</a></span><span style="color: #000000;"> is used to describe <strong>God’s wisdom</strong>.</span></p>



<h4 class="sub-heading"><strong>Proverbs Uses Personification</strong></h4>



<p>Their statement concerning &nbsp;<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%208:22-31&amp;version=NIVhttp://">Proverbs 8:22-31</a> is incorrect because it <strong>completely ignores the context</strong>. &nbsp;If we read from the <a href="https://biblehub.com/niv/proverbs/8.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="beginning of that section (opens in a new tab)">beginning of that section</a>, we see very clearly that Solomon is actually using&nbsp;<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personification">personification</a>:</p>


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			<p>Does not wisdom call out?  Does not understanding raise her voice? </p>
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			<p>I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I possess knowledge and discretion.</p>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">Thus, it is clear that when</span> <strong>Solomon writes “I”</strong>, <span style="color: #000000;">he is</span> <strong>not referring to himself nor is he stating that he existed before the creation of the earth</strong> <span style="color: #000000;">as the WMSCOG states in their online sermon. &nbsp;On the contrary, Solomon is speaking from the perspective of <strong>Wisdom</strong>. Thus, their attempt to use Proverbs to justify we were angels in heaven before we existed on Earth fails easily when we read the chapter from the beginning.</span></p>



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