Internet – "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil"?

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  • #6801
    Moved-Comment
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    This comment was originally posted on The Internet – Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? by YahShanti, and moved here for further discussion:

    I agree that the INTERNET 'metaphorically’ is certainly comparable to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In that, at our fingertips we have accessibility to both good and evil information.

    God’s command to; “not touch it– ‘the tree of the knowledge of good and evil’ lest you die” was a warning meant to foster obedience not prohibition.

    Since he created it; it can be reasonably assumed that eventually it would have been beneficial for our use. However we had to become spiritually ready; Adam and Eve were not, hence the insurgence of sin exploded all over the world. As it was in the beginning so it is today.

    Just an added note for thought: Ever wondered what the Microsoft symbol (a bitten apple) represents?

  • #43766

    Questioninginla
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    it is a small miracle that 144000 would come on this website to begin with and an even greater miracle that he comes back with the way he is attacked and treated.

    #43767

    MountainMom
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    You know what I think would be a miracle is if 144,000 would actually offer an answer to Genny's question in the Happy New Year post about why the wmscog is celebrating the feast in the wrong month.

    And I think 144 is coming back actually BECAUSE some of us are arguing with him.  If we didn't offer some discussion (debate) then he might as well just go to the wmscog websites where NO ONE has a dissenting opinion.  He likes this site better, maybe.  I don't mind if he is here.   

    Why do you think he is here, Questioninginla?  Could be lots of different reasons.  Anyway, it is his right to be here if he wants to. 

    #43768

    emil
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    @144000 – There is a reason we members of this forum disagree with each other on some matters of interpretation. We are not subject to mind control.

    #43769

    emil
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    Questioninginla wrote:

    it is a small miracle that 144000 would come on this website to begin with and an even greater miracle that he comes back with the way he is attacked and treated.

    144000 is here to attempt damage control. His purpose is to provide some kind of anchor to wmscog members who happen to drop in.

    #43770

    emil
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    144000 wrote:

    Many people from many different walks of life also got it wrong about Jesus.

    Is that a coincidence?

    It is no coincidence at all. The bible clearly testifies about the abundant falsehood in the last days and how it WILL be proclaimed in Zion that God dwells here, that he has appeared to rebuild it, in the midst of all the nations being drunk from the harlot. In the midst of Babylon the great; come out of her my people. In the midst of the whole world being lead astray.

    You are absolutely right. The bible does warn us about false messiahs and how people will be told here he is or there he is. Absolutely applies to wmscog.

    To the contrary, unless you are somebody who has identified the true Zion, and identified Babylon, then I apologize for the bluntness, but you are no true prophet.

    I have identified the true babylon. It is the church that claims to have another messiah as the bible had warned. It is a church which foist a goddess on to its members, another thing the bible has cautioned against.

    It would be better for you if you proclaimed that your own Zions were the true church, and that all the others were false. Instead you put up with each other, where, if you truley believed what you believed, then you would believe that they are the product of the evil one just as much as we are. The bible was right to say "for you put up with it easily enough" and rebuked the different gospels, which are relaly no gospels at all.

    Despite believing that my church is the true church, I can still accept other brother and sister churches as not false. However, if another church says that we must worship a couple of human beings as gods, to me that is obviously a false church.

    But you do not believe that, or if you do then your actions aren't proving it.

    see previous comment of this post

    And if you are about to reply that it isn't technically a "different gospel" and that you all "believe in Jesus" let me save you so time, to do so is to deny the word of God almighty, who promised the abundance of different gospels and misinterpretations of Christ. We see its fulfillment in hundreds of different denominations. You don't even believe in the same Jesus.

    Most of us, I would hazard a guess, 90% of us believe in the same Jesus being THE CHRIST. It is the wmscog that believes that Jesus' time has passed and it is now the time of Sahnghong. Can you see that?

    A couple of you are Jewish,

    So you want Admin to stop admiting Jews as members?

    and another doesn't even believe that Jesus = God.

    So you want Admin to only admit members that agree with him?

    Can the people of this forum actually reveal the truth, are they the true church which can expose the darkness? Or are they just in the darkness themselves?

    Can you get this into your head that this is a forum and not a church? Can you reveal the truth? Doesn't look like it. You want to drag Genny into your zone to explain about the 8th month feasts. That says a lot about your so-called truth. How would your explanation be different depending on where you gave it? Isn't it because, without setting up the proper environment, you don't stand a chance of convincing anyone that your spiel is true?

    #43771

    Disturbed
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    @144k…I see you are back and attacking others as usual. So I guess you are going to say the members are not told to go onto the Internet right? You don’t know what I was told, you can only assume. And your assumptions or lies are wrong. If this site had such “bad” information about your church why is it constantly being attacked with DDOS? Clearly someone in your organization wants to shut it down. How come in the lawsuit from wmscog against Tyler was he asked to take the website down? If it was full of lies who cares? You must be on the payroll because I know you don’t believe in the crock of ish you’re trying to spew!

    #43772

    144000
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    "Despite believing that my church is the true church, I can still accept other brother and sister churches as not false."

    I am done repeating verses, go and read what the bible says about people who think this way.

    "90% of us believe in the same Jesus being THE CHRIST"

    Go and learn what defines a same or different Jesus. He isn't rebuking pagans, he's rebuking churches of Christ who deviate from commands, such as the viel for women "we have no other teaching" nor does the true church of God! "I follow peter" and "I follow paul" the mere existence of differnt denominations is rebuked, Such people are not one in Christ and you are cruelly teasing them if you are telling them they will share in his great reward.

    To get back onto this again derailed topic…

    I say everything is kosher, and you call me a spin-doctor. I challenge the authenticity of your evidences, and your defense is that, its acceptable for you guys to disagree with each other, that is really the best you can come up with, trying to defend opposing viewpoints in Christ? That is the sign that your interpretations are authentic, or trustworthy?

    "Clearly someone in your organization wants to shut it down."

    Wait, so your saying that you don't even know who it is? Its possible even that a third party is doing it? Or even that someone is fibbing about it to place more false accusations at our feet? Even perhaps that someone may be acting without church authority, independantly? Or even that someone was connected to the server when targeted by one of the hundreds or thousands of random people who hack to get financial data for profit? You don't even know do you?

    My, but you are so quick to make assumptions. Does all of this group's "evidence" start this way?

    #43773

    Smurf
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    144000 wrote:

     

    Wait, so your saying that you don't even know who it is? Its possible even that a third party is doing it? Or even that someone is fibbing about it to place more false accusations at our feet? Even perhaps that someone may be acting without church authority, independantly? Or even that someone was connected to the server when targeted by one of the hundreds or thousands of random people who hack to get financial data for profit? You don't even know do you?

    Hmm, let me think. It's probably the Queen of England hacking this site, you may be on to something. Very few people know of its existence but who else would want it out of the way?(sarcasm) I'm torn between her and Tom Cruise^^

    Thouhts like these really make me wonder what's going on in your mind, one-four 🙂

    Again, do you want to be a part of a church censoring everything and not allowing any criticism? I've never heard Jesus preaching totalitarian values.

    #43774

    genny
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    144000 wrote:

    "Despite believing that my church is the true church, I can still accept other brother and sister churches as not false."

    I am done repeating verses, go and read what the bible says about people who think this way.

    "90% of us believe in the same Jesus being THE CHRIST"

    Go and learn what defines a same or different Jesus. He isn't rebuking pagans, he's rebuking churches of Christ who deviate from commands, such as the viel for women "we have no other teaching" nor does the true church of God! "I follow peter" and "I follow paul" the mere existence of differnt denominations is rebuked, Such people are not one in Christ and you are cruelly teasing them if you are telling them they will share in his great reward.

    Just to note, this conversation seems to be split between two threads.  This one and the one called Happy New Year.

    I think I understand now, 144000…  Are you trying to say that there are no "disputable matters" allowed between Christians?  That every single point of doctrine and belief and behavior must be the same in order to be "one in Christ"?

    #43775

    emil
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    144000 wrote:

    "Despite believing that my church is the true church, I can still accept other brother and sister churches as not false."

    I am done repeating verses, go and read what the bible says about people who think this way.

    As I said already, there may be many minor points which we may interpret differently but on the main question of Jesus is THE Christ, we stand as one. That is where you are different. So all your attempts to drive a wedge between us are bound to fail. I have seen this kind of effort from other wmscog members who have been prolific posters here like FTOS too.

    If you can answer Genny's question on this subject, she will respond appropriately to you.

    "90% of us believe in the same Jesus being THE CHRIST"

    Go and learn what defines a same or different Jesus. He isn't rebuking pagans, he's rebuking churches of Christ who deviate from commands, such as the viel for women "we have no other teaching" nor does the true church of God! "I follow peter" and "I follow paul" the mere existence of differnt denominations is rebuked, Such people are not one in Christ and you are cruelly teasing them if you are telling them they will share in his great reward.

    If you can wrap your mind around the bible verses I have given you about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being 3 separate persons, all simultaneous and eternal, then you will know that Sahnghong is not and cannot ever be Christ. Jesus is the only Christ.

    Can you show me which bible says, "we have no other teaching"? The verse actually appeals to practice or custom and not teaching. It is a recommendation and not a doctrine.

    Regardless of who is the head of a church here on earth, all of us who call ourselves Christians worship Father, Son and Holy Spirit alone. Jesus is our only Christ. Not so with you. You follow Cheol. You worship Giljah and Sahnghong. So obviously Paul's highest rebuke must be for you. While we are one in Christ, you guys are one in Ahn.

    To get back onto this again derailed topic…

    I say everything is kosher, and you call me a spin-doctor. I challenge the authenticity of your evidences, and your defense is that, its acceptable for you guys to disagree with each other, that is really the best you can come up with, trying to defend opposing viewpoints in Christ? That is the sign that your interpretations are authentic, or trustworthy?

    Once again, answer Genny's question on this subject.

    "Clearly someone in your organization wants to shut it down."

    Wait, so your saying that you don't even know who it is? Its possible even that a third party is doing it? Or even that someone is fibbing about it to place more false accusations at our feet? Even perhaps that someone may be acting without church authority, independantly? Or even that someone was connected to the server when targeted by one of the hundreds or thousands of random people who hack to get financial data for profit? You don't even know do you?

    My, but you are so quick to make assumptions. Does all of this group's "evidence" start this way?

    OK we don't know for certain. If we knew or had the resources to find out, you guys would have been shut down. As with any criminal action, the first suspect is the one who stands to gain most from the crime.

    Our evidence comes from the bible to show that your doctrines are based on wild interpretations of isolated verses. If I am wrong then you will be able to dispute my point about the Trinity which you seem to be avoiding responding to.

    #43776

    Simon
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    You dont always need to know truth to know if something is a lie

    But none of us have the level of hubris you think we should (saying I’m in the one true church IS hubris)

    What level of disagreement is acceptable in doctrine?

    #43777

    144000
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    @Simon

    "saying I'm in the one true church IS hubris"

    Really?

    Because everybody in the bible ever loudly proclaims about one singular denomination, never ever contradic ting each other my saying "Come to the Benjamite Church" or "Come to the Church of Latter Day Levites". They were all completely unified throughout the entire history of the bible and had no problem at all identifying the one true church. Any who werent, were destroyed because of their corruption. So then, why can't you testify like they can testify?

    Aren't you guided by the Holy Spirit? Can you reveal to me theese answers? Am I saved if I keep communion? But if I decide to skip communion and only get baptized, am I then also saved? What If I don't even get baptized? Surely if I "just believe in Jesus" then I am saved right, just like the robber on the cross? Theres clearly no point to Jesus instructing us to be baptized, there is no point to keeping any of his instructions. Just be the type of people who do as you please, right?

    Some people look for excuses to not follow Jesus examples. Some people look for every excuse to try to emulate his perfect example in every way.

    This forum is like the prophecy of people who stagger from place to place, starving not for food but for the word of the Lord. You ask them do you know? And they say "I do not know". Ask them, can you read? they say "I cannot read".

    Come to Zion where the Root of David has unsealed the scrolls!

    #43778

    Smurf
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    144000 wrote:

    Come to Zion where the Root of David has unsealed the scrolls!

    Question. How do I do that when they don't want to let me in anymore?

    #43779

    MountainMom
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    I don't live anywhere near a wmscog zion.  And from what I've seen, I have to go in escorted by a member.  Why do you think the "truth" changes according to what building you are in anyway? 

    #43780

    emil
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    @144000 – OK so you are the one true church? You can claim all you want. But your claims mean nothing to us without strong basis.

    Why are you avoiding answering my point about the Trinity? That makes you false according to my bible. I can give you a number of verses to show that they are 3 spearate persons. What do you have?

    #43781

    Love'n Honey
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    Hello 144000.

    #43782

    Simon
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    Yes really your false comparisons cannot trick me

    #43783

    Azula
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    @144k

    Be very careful of making Christianity about rituals and judge others based on an outward appearence. "Because they don't keep the Sabbath therefore they are evil." It's really not that different to how the pharisees were in the time of Jesus 2000 years ago, "they eat pork and are therefore unclean." 

    If you took the time and opened up your mind you would see that the consistant theme from the majority of us write about here is about the currupt attitudes of those who claim to be God's people but are so judgemental and narrow minded. This is truly no different from the pharisees. Remember in the prophecy of the good samaritan the Levite (which by the way would represent those in you so called true Zion) would not come near the wounded because he would be unlcean if he had done so, but a gentile did and did not even mind dirtying his clothes to save a life but those in zion would never come near those who are dying neither would they risk dirtying their clothes they would probably tell him to pray about it.

    #43784

    emil
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    ^ Azula you got it wrong. They would be present near the wounded with banners if the press cameras were there. 😉

    #43785

    genny
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    144000 wrote:

    @Simon

    "saying I'm in the one true church IS hubris"

    Really?

    Because everybody in the bible ever loudly proclaims about one singular denomination, never ever contradic ting each other my saying "Come to the Benjamite Church" or "Come to the Church of Latter Day Levites". They were all completely unified throughout the entire history of the bible and had no problem at all identifying the one true church. Any who werent, were destroyed because of their corruption. So then, why can't you testify like they can testify?

    Aren't you guided by the Holy Spirit? Can you reveal to me theese answers? Am I saved if I keep communion? But if I decide to skip communion and only get baptized, am I then also saved? What If I don't even get baptized? Surely if I "just believe in Jesus" then I am saved right, just like the robber on the cross? Theres clearly no point to Jesus instructing us to be baptized, there is no point to keeping any of his instructions. Just be the type of people who do as you please, right?

    Some people look for excuses to not follow Jesus examples. Some people look for every excuse to try to emulate his perfect example in every way.

    This forum is like the prophecy of people who stagger from place to place, starving not for food but for the word of the Lord. You ask them do you know? And they say "I do not know". Ask them, can you read? they say "I cannot read".

    Come to Zion where the Root of David has unsealed the scrolls!

    144000, I would like to talk more about this, in the topic I've started just for it, "A different Gospel?"

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