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The WMSCOG accuses other churches of “Idol Worship” in regards to the Cross. They seem to think that even displaying it in church is evil.
Doesn’t the Ten Commandments teach us not to bear false witness?
None of the Christian churches I have been to have ever taught us to worship the Cross. The Cross is used as a symbol to remind us of the great sacrifice that was made for us by Christ Jesus. This is commanded in the Bible.
The Bible says not to make any symbol to a false god and worship it. Make no brazen images. The Cross is a symbol for the REAL GOD and even so we do not worship it. Now that is not to say that some people don’t cross the line on this. If someone is worshipping the Cross they need to be corrected and if we see this worship happening and we don’t help correct it then I believe we are guilty as well. Having a Cross around also serves as a reminder that we are to love the one true God. It’s like a husband asking his wife not to love any other man. She carries a picture of her husband around with her as a reminder that he loves her. If she chose not to carry the picture she might be more easily swayed. Worse would be if she carried a picture of another man. (Jesus vs. Ahnsahnghong) This would be absolutely wrong on all counts.
Gods ways are mysterious. He uses things that we would view as vile and/or worthless to reveal his glory. He uses the stone that was disguarded by men as the Chief Corner Stone. He uses something viewed as a detestable instrument of death to reveal his glory.
Lets look at what the Bible really says about the Cross.
1 Corinthians 1:17-18 Paul states that word of the Cross is the Power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:23 describes the Cross as the Wisdom of God.
Colossians 2:15 describes the Cross as the Glory of God.
The Cross is described as Gods Wisdom, Power, and Glory. This object is viewed by man as a detestable instrument of death that was used to kill Jesus. Only man would have such a limited view as this. Gods ways are what we are striving for. The Cross was made a symbol of Gods power by God not by man.
Many people will bring up the message of the symbol of the bronze snake. God instructed the creation of the bronze snake as a symbol to lead people to him. Men twisted it around and many started worshipping the snake instead of what it represented. In Christian churches we are taught this lesson to not worship symbols but only worship the one true God. To make the statement that other churches are “Idol worshippers” is a gross defamation of character. You shall not bear false witness.
God ordered the making of many symbols in the Bible but I think that I will save this for another post. What God has sanctified we should NEVER try to remove. His ways are not our ways. Keep the reminder of God well within view at all times. It’s a reminder of the love he has for us and a testament to the fact that we belong to him. By the way, it’s a very real possibility that the seal of God is represented by the cross. The word does reveal this if you are truly seeking.
I still do everything I enjoyed before joining the church and as I said God placed the cross = idol before wmc even came here btw unlike others I think its silly to say don’t pray for me because if you’re right it does me no harm and if you’re wrong noone is gonna be answering so, it still would have no negative consequence
As for loocpoc I don’t think so
Not to go on a tangent just to respond to your post and leave it at that because this would belong on another topic if we went further. Let's presume for the sake of arguement I discovered and that your entire statement and beliefs about WMC were 100% accurate then yes I would it is the truth I want for everyone no matter what it may be, I just don't ever see statements of truth from others more statements of "_ isn't truth" which is a meaningless statement if you cannot (or do not) explain what is truth.
Someone from the Zion I go to turned atheist after this or a similar site because they were convinced that it was untrue but were not shown any alternatives, as for me I cannot be convinced nothing is true so I need to see reasonable alternatives.
shimon wrote:
Not to go on a tangent just to respond to your post and leave it at that because this would belong on another topic if we went further. Let's presume for the sake of arguement I discovered and that your entire statement and beliefs about WMC were 100% accurate then yes I would it is the truth I want for everyone no matter what it may be, I just don't ever see statements of truth from others more statements of "_ isn't truth" which is a meaningless statement if you cannot (or do not) explain what is truth.
Someone from the Zion I go to turned atheist after this or a similar site because they were convinced that it was untrue but were not shown any alternatives, as for me I cannot be convinced nothing is true so I need to see reasonable alternatives.
shimon, I think that is a reasonable statement. If someone realizes the wmscog is false and leaves, of course it's best for them to find a true faith, otherwise they may be susceptible to being taken advantage of further by another false group. (Like in Luke 11:24-26).
When you say that you want to hear people explain what is truth rather than only what isn't truth, do you mean that you want more explanations about why (in my case) Christianity is true? There are a lot of websites out there already that address Christianity. Plus I was hoping that my own blog (encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com) would direct members (and former members) back to basic Christianity. If I haven't been doing an adequate job at that, I'd be happy if you'd let me know (even by email) what topics you would need help with in that respect.
The biggest problem is how can I trust you more than WMSCOG because while admittedly if they are lying and what not they certainly would not admit it but if they are not lying you could be lied to or lying yourself and the trust isues works both ways. The only way I can really see changes in doctrine is if I experience them myself.
As for what is truth. I mean what is the gospel and why do you say so. WMC uses scripture to support its arguments, even if out of context as you claim, Most of what I see, not just here but everywhere will address something but then just open more questions, or reopen the questions the WMC answered.
shimon wrote:
The biggest problem is how can I trust you more than WMSCOG because while admittedly if they are lying and what not they certainly would not admit it but if they are not lying you could be lied to or lying yourself and the trust isues works both ways.
Exactly. As 1 John 4:1 says:
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
So we must "test the spirits", or ask questions, and find out ourselves, rather than blindly accept anyone's explanations.
Yes, but ultimately NCPCOG lying would be reasonable because sinful naure would want them to lie, if WMC is telling the truth, because of their jelousy over them being smaller from breaking off of Ahnsahnghong's church, and then you who are skeptical would be prone to believing many things against WMC
Though I am sure your disagreement isn't so blind you'd accept just any testimony against it.
Nope WMSCOG doesn't teach that NCPCOG wasn't founded by Ahnsahnghong they deny that they continue to follow his teachings as he taught them. WMC and NCPCOG were one church that split when ahnsahnghong revealed mother at the last passover before he died, in 1983 and he moved the General Assembly to Seoul in 1984 from where NCPCOG is in Busan.
New Jerusalem Temple? That's in Bundang Seoul, South Korea.
I do not know where they live specifically.
I know our Zion the leaders live in their specific zion so I would assume probably but couldn't be certain. I know Mother live near if not at the New Jerusalem Temple and would assume Kim Joo-Cheol does as well. General assebly is made up of pastors from all over as I undernstand it though.
At least superficially I dunno much about where others live
Joshua wrote:
Unfortunatley what you say about many exmembers of this group is true. What happens to many of them is that the way they have been mislead leads many of them not to trust anyone or anything. I have spoken to many people now who were in this group long enough to see the teachings change to suit the times. They have told me of teachings that speak of black people not being able to be saved because they are decendants of Hamm. This teaching changed when some black people started joining this group. There was another teaching that lead people to believe that Jews could not be saved because they killed Jesus. Now they don't teach that because again there are members that are of Jewish decent. Do you see where this is a problem? Do you think anyone currently in this group are going to tell you the truth about this? Do you see how people could become disillusioned with anything to do with the things of God after an experience like this? How about if the Sabbath being on a Saturday is really stuck in their mind? The most prominate group that meets on Saturdays like the WMS is the SDA church which is where many of your groups misleading teachings come from. Could you see how people could feel like there isn't an alternative? I don't want you to become an athiest just like I don't want anyone else to either. My loved one came really close to doing this as well fortunatley there were a lot of people at the church we came from who still love us and have been very helpful in this. There are lots of these churches that people could go to but I will prewarn you that the teachings of the WMS will be disputed at any true Christian church as well as some who only claim to be Christian. Once again I urge you to seek the truth. This does not just mean disputing these false teachings but also being able to discern what is real from what is untrue in any place you choose to attend. I would encourage all of the people leaving the WMS to get exit counseling and seek out other groups of believers which to share their experiences and gain encouragement from. Are you in the Seattle area? I would gladly invite you to some of the groups I'm involved in. Also, please forgive me for being so harsh at times. My loved one keeps reminding me that I need to be reaching out in love and by being confrontational it only pushes you further into this group. Please forgive me for doing that. I do believe everything I have shared with you but I think that I could try and do it better. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
My loved one became a member of the WMSCOG last year. Now, due to circumstances which my loved one will not disclose to me, my loved one has not been going to the group for almost 2 months now. My loved one is experiencing confusion, paranoia, guilt, as well as not knowing who to trust and what to believe. I am deeply concerned for my loved one and praying that my loved one does not turn agnostic over the situation. But, God's ways aren't my ways and He is most assuredly in control. All I can be is a safe haven, a true loving person that is patiently waiting for my loved one to open up to some day.
shimon wrote:
Nope WMSCOG doesn't teach that NCPCOG wasn't founded by Ahnsahnghong they deny that they continue to follow his teachings as he taught them. WMC and NCPCOG were one church that split when ahnsahnghong revealed mother at the last passover before he died, in 1983 and he moved the General Assembly to Seoul in 1984 from where NCPCOG is in Busan.
Shimon you just don't understand Big Shine, do you? Ahn was deader than a door nail when WMSCOG was formed. You are off by years …
You are wrong ahnsahnghong’s church.split.into atleast 4
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