Log In Register

Home Forums General Interpertation on the New Jerusalem Book on (Android ) by NCPCOG

This topic contains 62 replies, has 16 voices, and was last updated by  Liberty 6 years, 8 months ago.

Viewing 15 posts - 16 through 30 (of 63 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #53102

    Love'n Honey
    Member

    Lol, I'm just talking… =)

    #53101

    Sarah2013
    Member

    See.

    #53100

    Love'n Honey
    Member

    It's a virus

    #53099

    Sarah2013
    Member

    Yes. Leave it alone . It isn’t even in English.

    #53098

    Emily
    Member

    Simon wrote:

    http://ncpcog.co.kr/rb/home/b/0604/441?PHPSESSID=b4301204e2b51758280a50848c3bf7c2

     

    the English text online

    This link isn't working for me.  Is anyone else having the same problem?

    #53097

    Elievalkyrie
    Member

    I think in wmscog, you have to follow what they say. If they say it has alternative implication, it does. If they say you should be read literally or straight forward, you should. No questions ask. Doubting is from Satan. Also if you read anything that says something bad about wmscog, you can't believe it.

    #53096

    Rahab
    Member

    Is everything that is read supposed to be done so with the implication that there is an alternative or dual meaning behind the text? Or can written works be read straight forward, based on their own merit?

    #53095

    Elievalkyrie wrote:

    WMS brother, here is proof that even wmscog members acknowledge that Ahnsanghong wrote that book and even defended it with twisted reasons.

    http://ahnsahnghongandgodthemother.blogspot.com/2012/04/about-false-insistence-from-group.html

    Here is a little copy paste from that Blog:

    2. The purpose of Father Ahnsahnghong who published the book, “The New Jerusalem and the Bride: Explanation on Women’s Veil”

    It is true that Father published the book. However, in order to understand the meaning of the book correctly, we need to know about the situation of that time and the reason why Father published the book. Because they ignore these things and just insist on the text of the book, their insistence is unreasonable like those in the aforementioned examples.

    Yup, so unreasonable to insist on what's in the text. Just like WMS insists on what's in the text for passover, sabbath, mother, blah blah blah. How ridiculous.

    #53094

    Elievalkyrie
    Member

    WMS brother, here is proof that even wmscog members acknowledge that Ahnsanghong wrote that book and even defended it with twisted reasons.

    http://ahnsahnghongandgodthemother.blogspot.com/2012/04/about-false-insistence-from-group.html

    Here is a little copy paste from that Blog:

    2. The purpose of Father Ahnsahnghong who published the book, “The New Jerusalem and the Bride: Explanation on Women’s Veil”

    It is true that Father published the book. However, in order to understand the meaning of the book correctly, we need to know about the situation of that time and the reason why Father published the book. Because they ignore these things and just insist on the text of the book, their insistence is unreasonable like those in the aforementioned examples.

    In the year 1983, it was before Father made known to us the truth of Heavenly Mother. However, a woman named Eom △△ stole a peek into Father’s book and impersonated the bride, Heavenly Mother. She even tried to change the truth, insisting that women did not need to cover their heads with veils; she stirred up trouble in the Church.

    So, Father wrote the book and distributed its copies to the Church members in order to judge Eom △△ and her followers, so that the members would not be deceived by falsehood. And Father also gave sermons in the same context with the book. (Now they make bad use of the sermon tapes of that time).

    Do you know what Father did after He settled the matter of Eom △△? He collected all the copies of the book.

    This shows that Father did not want us to read the book anymore.

    WMS brother, I suggest you meet up with your leaders and firmly decide what you will claim to people whether Ahn DID wrote the book or not. You have a lot of inconsistencies and it is not helping with your "true" church image.

    #53093

    Elievalkyrie
    Member

    We can see that WMS brother clearly testify that Ahn did not wrote that book.

    #53092

     

    Peter says:

     

    To understand meaning of this book we have to know when and why ASH wrote it.

    I think the root of this book is in these words

    “UhmSooIn is babbling about how she is the new Jerusalem that came down out of heaven”.

    If you keep it in mind the book makes sense and there is no contradiction with WMSCoG teaching :-)

    Thanks Pete, perfect example of how this group takes things out of context. 

    #53091

    Jubilee
    Member

    WMS brother wrote:

    I'm going to take just a small portion of an elsewhere posted related topic, and present it here:

    Defining the Bride as a literal heavenly city is backwards.

    The Heavenly city is a SPIRITUAL city, whom is called our mother.

    Opposite to the ludicrous notion that a literal copy of Jerusalem will hover of Isreal, the -metaphor- is explained in greater detail to be the Bride of Christ, whom will be revealed to us, and speak actual words.

    The spiritual Jerusalem is the Bride in reality, not the other way around.

    There are a few different versions of "Ahn-Sahng-Hong"'s books out, all with a variety of edits and frankly quite irregular verbage. Browsing through theese sometimes I think that different people wrote them. Or at the very least, radical edits were made.

    I will continue to read the series that sticks to the verses correctly, as father Ahn-Sahng-Hong has actually done, provided by the WMS.

    Suffice to say, "in what form will the bride appear?" is a question that is answered pretty directly in another one of his books. I'll give you a hint, its about coming in the flesh.

    I would like to answer this question you provide.  It is actually answered right here is this book about Jerusalem.  

    Please read chapter 15 very carefully and you will find the answer to Rev. 21:9-10

    Then ASH said:

    The New Jerusalem will come down to this earth from Heaven 1,000 years from now. (reference the booklet)

    This is the very last line in that chapter. Do you understand now?

    How does New Jerusalem appear?  The question should be when does New Jerusalem appear first?   ASH Said……..1000 years from when?  Now, meaning 1984

     

    #53090

    Simon
    Participant

    Pretty much what I heard 

    #53089

    genny
    Participant

    Simon wrote:

    The thing is WMSCOG actually ACKNOWLEDGES the book. (whether the translation is legit is quasi debateable)

    Exactly, Simon.  The wmscog's argument was not that it was a forged or otherwise illegitimate.

    The explanation I heard from the wmscog is that UmSooIn had peeked at Ahn's writings and found out about 'mother' early, then claimed herself as 'mother.'  So Ahn had to write the book against her because it was not time to reveal 'mother' yet.  After the threat from UmSooIn was averted, he withdrew the book, and then later revealed the true 'mother.'

    The problem I see with that is that Ahn didn't just write against UmSooIn being the 'mother' but against any 'mother god' at all.  Therefore either Ahn really did preach no 'mother god' and the wmscog goes against him, or he lied about there being no 'mother god' in the book when he really did intend to reveal the 'mother' later.

    The response I got to that idea was similar to what we had discussed in another thread about God lying, and that the wmscog doesn't have a problem with a God who would lie.  That basically he lied to protect the people from the wrong 'mother.'

    Did anyone else hear something similar or different?

    #53088

    Simon
    Participant

    admin wrote:

    This comment was originally posted in response to "'Problems With New Jerusalem, The Bride and Women's Veils' by Ahnsahnghong" on 2/12/13.

    Peter says:

     

    To understand meaning of this book we have to know when and why ASH wrote it.

    I think the root of this book is in these words

    “UhmSooIn is babbling about how she is the new Jerusalem that came down out of heaven”.

    If you keep it in mind the book makes sense and there is no contradiction with WMSCoG teaching :-)

    If I were God and wanted to show she was false but there was a Mother and I wasn't ready to reveal her yet I would demonstrate why what she said was not true esposing her lies without saying there is no God the Mother and that the idea is delusional etc

Viewing 15 posts - 16 through 30 (of 63 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.