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In another thread, fromtheotherside, speaking of the materials presented againt the wmscog, said "none of your evidences speak for itself. if you have such evidence present it without your explanation."
I presented several 'evidences without explanation' there, but I think it would be a good idea to take each one separately into its own thread. Here's the fourth one:
Regarding the President's Call to Service Awards that the WMSCOG displays: The award level shown for "World Mission Society Church of God" is not available for groups, only individuals. And the awards shown for "Kim Joo-cheol" and "Zahng Gil-jah" are only available to United States citizens.
I originally did not link to my research about it, because fromtheotherside did not want explanation, but if you'd like to see the research, I've collected it here:
http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/11/letting-your-light-shineor-seeking.html
I only saw one comment regarding this point in that thread. Here it is, copied from https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=4486&page=2 :
justasitis wrote:
I believe that the 'President's Call to Service Award" as shown, displayed and lauded by wmscog is a way of showing that totally outside of any religious beliefs, interpretations of the bible, whether or not there is God the Mother and God the Father, is a clear demonstration of manipulating and lying about what the church does and how it is supposedly so highly esteemed. If anyone were to look on the US government's website for how and to whom this award can be given, it is clear that wmscog, or at at least Kim Joo-cheol and Zahng Gil-Jah do not meet the basic criteria of being US citizens. This is a very simple yet very clear way of showing that this supposed church is not what it says it is. There is no way, according to the rules of this service award, that they could ever have been recipients of it. I can only speculate as to the reasons for wmscog wanting to demonstrate that they have been awarded this, but it seems to be to be very clearly invalid ie. they are not telling the truth.
I recall this being discussed somewhere else, but I can't find it at the moment.
Open for comment…
You know I said this before, people come and go they always will. This one thing will never affect us. It's like trying to stop a river with a toothpick. you need much more than just a toothpick.
You are very correct, Genny.
fromtheotherside wrote:
The award is small potatoes, we have no back lash because of it. Even if and this is a big if, you were to prove your point and get a person related to that department that handles this stuff to speak out, not one of our members would care. It's one out of hundereds given. It wouldn't affect us much we are too big of an organization to have something like that affect us. We stand by our members in america and believe they acted accordingly.
I've been thinking open minded about this and some of these comments. This way of thinking is the same kind of logic that someone would use if they were speeding. It's only illegal if you get caught. Speeding is still against the law even if you don't get caught. Sure most of the time you get away with it but it's still against the law. It reminds me of a story that I posted somewhere else in the forum. The story goes something like this: It's no big deal. It's just a little bit wrong but it's no big deal. This is a son explaining to his father about a movie he wants to go see with his friend. The father says no. Later the father bakes some brownies and cuts up some oranges and puts them into a bowl. Knowing that his son and the friend were probable getting hungry he offered them something to eat. He said that they had to pick one or the other but they couldn't have both. Being teenage boys they instantly agreed on the brownies. The father said, "Ok, but there's something you should know. There might be a little bit of dog poop in the brownies. The dog had an accident and I cleaned it up but I forgot to wash my hands afterwards. If there is any poop in there it will be only a tiny bit, no big deal." The boys instantly changed their minds and went with the oranges. This little bit of deception that has been played may seem like no big deal but unless this group likes eating poop they should have stayed away from it. But you can act like it's no big deal, and they gave it to us so what's the harm, also all of the members wouldn't care anyway if you want to but it's still wrong. This is just me thinking about it from all angles. Zahng and Kim should have thought about it before they accepted the awards. Why did this group need legitimacy like this anyway? That's what they tout this award for.
There are two aspects that need clarification from FTOS here.
1. Since the awards are for US citizens only, do you (FTOS) think it is OK for the wmscog in the US (not Obama) to confer the award on those who are not US citizens?
2. If Zhang is god, would awards confered by mere mortals have any importance? Should they be publicized? Why?
jOSHUA THAT POOP STORY CRACKED ME UP MAN AHHA.GOOD ONE, I LIKE BROWNIES BRO BUT IDK IF I WILL EAT THEM WITH A LIL BIT OF POOP LOL
Got to admit, that was pretty funny Joshua! And thought provoking at the same time!
genny wrote:
Joshua wrote:
Another problem is that Zahng is not her real first name. Her name has been changed several times over the years. The other problem is that we don't have her birthday either. There is a shroud covering the information of Ahn and Zahng. Ahn was not born as Ahn either but the WMSCOG didn't put Ahn in for a award. I wish that there was an easy way to put this to rest but deception creates confusion and it takes time to work through the confusion and deception to find real truth.
Just for clarity, in Korea culture (as in some other cultures), last names are first, followed by given names. So Zahng and Ahn are actually last names, Gil-Jah and Sahng-Hong are the given names.
well no technically they are first names they are family names
lets keep it simple………. using false advertisement to sell your "product" (ticket to salvation and front row seats in heaven) hmmmmm that would be, should be and can be considered as fraud.
i didnt know true goddess …. or infact a SUPPOSEDLY HUMBLE walking breathing goddess even NEED to advertise her achievement and LOVE to be glorified., Zhang might as well offers a free cookies and dental insurance for the first 100 that join in 2013…. that would works better than cut pasted verses.
Thank you for your kind comments. As you guys have been made aware of (mostly this year) I do enjoy bringing humor and knowledge into our forum. Thank you for recognizing the truth in what I brought to all of you. The point is very cut and dry but I think the story really put it in perspective. We are supposed to be beyond reproach but at the same time humble. I see neither of these things with the acceptance of this award. The arrogance that this group shows displaying their trophies is not humble in any way and the way they have abused the award system proves that they are not above using deceptive methods. For the people who were involved with this, shame and disgrace are your rewards. You really need to rethink what you are involved in and what your group allows to go on. This is a very public statement, "You are not above reproach."
There is no problem with showing trophies etc… if they are legitimate
a true god would have the needs to show acknowledgments by mere mortals to proof how legitimate godly she is?
that’s what i call…. just sad.
it wouldn’t be about ego
Accepting an award is not about ego but displaying it to the world and using it as a drawing point is very egotistical. You may deserve the award and people may want you to have the award but the extent that you put it in front of everyone after accepting it is where your ego really shines through.
But we have to frame it, hang it on the wall, and keep going back to it, Joshua. ( just kidding).
I disagree that a true God shouldn’t display accolades legitimately received
fromtheotherside wrote:
Also, I know it is not the doing of Korea, but from the US. If brothers and sisters wanted to do something for their God, then it was accepted if there is backlash our God and us is ready to accept it which I have full confidence that they did it accordingly. If they did it to glorify God then we will trust their judgement. We trust and that they have done everything properly. So we accept and honor our brothers and sisters in the US who wants to glorfy God with the award.
Number 1:
Obviously you still don't understand how the award works. The wms inappropriately awarded Zhang period. Your "god" is not a US citizen period. It is obvious how lawsuit happy your "church" is and they failed to mention this citizenship issue in both of their lawsuits so far.
Number 2:
How do you "glorify" your "god" with a lie?
I can't tell you how many times the awards have been pointed out to me and my loved one when she was involved with this group. No one can convince me that the people in this group do not use these awards as a way of saying, "We must be the right thing. Look at all of the awards! Even president Obama awarded us." We are great and we are very excited about ourselves. This is one of the tell tale signs of a cult. I don't like using this word but the shoe fits very well if it's realized or not.
So by Zhang not being a citizen of the United States (at least so it is appearing) and most of the debate here being about her and ahng not being Who the Organization say they are, is it safe to say that the law suit is a bit flawed. I mean, this site is being accused of diminishing potential and current members of wmscog.
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