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This is something I haven't observed, but it was pointed out to me: In past years there were always pictures of "Mother" in the calendar that was given to members. I heard that there aren't any pictures of Mother in this years calendar. Is that the case, and, if so, why would that be?
I heard as well, that there are no more trips to South Korea. Is that true? Any explanations for that?
I have seen the calendar and yes you are correct, there are no pictures of mother. This years calendar was full of pictures of all the fancy churches. I cannot tell you why though….
A few months ago the rumor mill was buzzing the Chang was sick & dying. So no more trips to Korea if that’s the case. I don’t know why they didn’t go into the vault to get some old photos of her.
MountainMom wrote:
In another post I read that on a member's trip to Korea, he saw Mother falling asleep during a sermon! Lol! No wonder they don't want pictures taken! I wish a picture of that would have made it to the calendar or their Elohist magazine!
Maybe she really is sick or getting too old to do the duties as discharged. That could be another reason they may want to phase her out, too, and possibly hand it over to Joo Cheoul Kim. Again, just my hypothesis, but it sure seems plausible.
I think JCK has been in charge all along. He needed Chang in order to present the concept of male and female god for a while. Now they have critical mass, he will not need Chang for long. She will "ascend" and he doesn't need to share the spoils any longer.
The mother is getting old.
She’s not “getting” old…she IS old. LOL! She’s past the point of usefulness for the wmscog. They kept saying she wouldn’t make it past 70. They tried to liken it to the city of Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD. Clearly that didn’t happen along with their other false predictions. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear if she had died. I heard many of the Korean members, aka her blood relatives, went back to visit her & others went back permanently. I wish this whole cult would self destruct! It makes me sick thinking about those who are still being deceived by these a-holes.
I think they were hoping, Disturbed, that the real God would end the would so they can avoid immediate shame. However, now they see what they are up against.
What do they lose anyway? They do not have to cater to the world population. Just the supposedly 2 million members. Why would they care what the 6 billion think? What the 2 million think matters to them.That is market segmentation.
The 2 million will be told that she has ascended into heaven and will soon come again along with the bridegroom. She has gone up to inspect and decorate the temple which Ahn had finished in 2012.
JCK will then re-think his strategy. Later he may introduce another Korean woman as the latest incarnation of Chang. This thing can actually, yes actually go on ad infinatum for those 2 million. And most of them will lap it up and continue with their tithes.
I suspect that this entire 2 CC is an indigenous Korean industry. They are all in cahoots and each one has their own target 2 million and change. They appear to have a "no competition" clause with each other. That is why they poach only from other Christian churches and not from among themselves.
emil wrote:
They appear to have a "no competition" clause with each other. That is why they poach only from other Christian churches and not from among themselves.
What if a party violates the clause? Does the other party get the yakuza to violate them? 😀
MountainMom wrote:
@Emil: I agree with you. JC Kim has been in control the whole time, and just using "The Mother" as a figurehead in my opinion. And I also think they can just bring in another woman and sell it or reveal JC as the next deity. Either way, the members will suck it up. But the bright spot is that if we can expose them, new recruits won't be so vulnerable. once someone sees how it really is (with anything that is being hidden) they can't be fooled again.I doubt they would present another woman. That would be too much. What I think is that they will blame the members. Tell us that Mother was supossed to leave with us but because we took so long to change she had to leave without us because her body couldn't take it anymore… after all, she is in the flesh. We are taught that mother should be dead by now, but because of us, she holds on.
So I think everybody will mourn mother. They will come up with a prophesy, and they will say how mother was always saying it, but nobody understood. They will of course say "we never said mother wouldn't die, we said, if the bible doesnt say she would die, then she wouldnt die" or something like that (i've heard that already, couldnt make this up).
And then we will blame ourselves and think that the only way to make mother take us to heaven is by bringing the last of the children and by changing. Mother trained us for all of those years… now we have to show her that we love her even if she is not here with us.
General Pastor would come out and say that the last things that mother said were "tell my children that i love them, and that i trust in them. they wont see me for a little bit, but later they will see me. just preach and keep my teachings and everything will be ok. I will see you soon".
That's my take on the whole subject. Some people will leave, some will be too scared to leave. Total bs.
I agree Emil. They certainly are in no competition with each other.
Wow, Hobbit you almost convinced me! Imagine what the pros would do :))
As scary as it may sound the death of mother may not change anything.
Look at the Moonies. SMM has been dead for a year and they're doing just fine.
Once you're in the church they can sell you everything: I won't be surprised if they have the members doing handtands while worshipping.
Mother was an athelete after all. She has a gold medal in interpretation gymnastics.
Mr Kim has been in charge since Ash died. He, not Chang, has written every book since the wmscog stole & reprinted Ash’s original books. First off, the brown book, is his interpretation of what “Ash, aka God” was really trying to say. Then all subsequent books published by the wmscog are written by Mr Kim. What hasn’t Chang who is also supposed to be “God” written any books?
There are a number of options he has and Hobbit has provided his hypothesis which may well be right.
I believe JC Kim is quite comfortable not being god. That way he stays out of accountability if/when something explodes. Meanwhile, he can put up a variety of figureheads and continue to rake in the moolah for himself.
@Disturbed – I get what you're saying but they will counter by saying that Jesus was God and did not write any books either.@Emil…I am happy that I can finally think rationally about all things wmscog. They have tried to say Ash was like Jesus in every way but in reality he can’t even be compared to Jesus in ANY way! No, Jesus didn’t write any books. There was no need for Him to write. His disciples were taught directly by Him & they passed on the traditions. His disciples wrote the most important things we needed to know. In the Bible there is no mention of Jesus being married nor fornicating with any woman. The same cannot be said for Ash. He married “twice”, was an adulterer, and had many concubines. Somehow when I think of God, I cannot fathom God would go against His own word.
Wmscog can say all they want. They can continue to claim we are “slanderers”. I no longer give a hoot! Everything they say are LIES. They claim to be persecuted when in actuality they persecute EVERYONE. They speak horribly against the Catholic Church, calling her the “mother of prostitutes” and all other Sunday churches (Protestant churches) are referred to as “baby prostitutes” since they derived from the Cathlolic church. How vile they are to judge. God is the ONLY judge & jury.
Sorry about the rant. I’m just going through the anger against the cult cycle right now. It too shall pass.
@Disturbed – I am irritated too when I see their members commenting "Just like it was 2000 years ago…" to ignore any valid arguments against their crazy doctrines.If we then point out to them things that happened 2000 years ago, they come back with how we are twisting their statement.
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