Did Ahnsahnghong Ever Proclaim To Be Jesus? Divine In Any Way?

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  • #6745
    Hailey Stevens
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    Hello everyone,

    I’m looking to see if a current WMSCOG member can help clarify this. To my knowledge Ahnsahnghong never claimed to be God in his writings. In fact, I remember reading an article (http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/search/label/new%20name) with proof that Ahnsahnghong believed and wrote in one of his books that salvation is found in no other name but Jesus. If Ahnsahnghong believed that salvation was to be found only through Jesus’s name, then why does the WMSCOG believe that salvation is found in the name of Ahnsahnghong?

  • #41630

    ttr
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    it’s interesting. i haven’t read anywhere in Ahn Sahng-Hong’s writings where he ever mentions he’s devine or that there is any “mother god”.

    so if that teaching didn’t come from him, where’d it come from? who came up with that bible study? someone had to make it up.. and it seems to disagree with ASH’s own writings. very peculiar.

    #41631

    Simon
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    In the Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of life preface he says it is a last warning from God

    and one of the Chapters I cannot remember which right now He says Jesus has come (speaking currently)

    He also said only Jesus can unseal the seven thunders and then proceeded to do so.

    Also the complete and the incomplete and the last chapter both speak of mother.

    #41632

    genny
    Participant

    shimon wrote:

    In the Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of life preface he says it is a last warning from God

    and one of the Chapters I cannot remember which right now He says Jesus has come (speaking currently)

    He also said only Jesus can unseal the seven thunders and then proceeded to do so.

    Also the complete and the incomplete and the last chapter both speak of mother.

    I read that book.  If Ahn was claiming to be God, he was doing it in a very roundabout way.

    I did not find anything about 'mother' in the book, even though I was told which chapters to look in.  Can you please quote the lines for me that are supposed to speak about 'mother'?  Thank you.

    #41633

    Joshua
    Participant

    I'm sorry that I haven't been very open to your ideas on these topics. I do hope that we can open this up to where we can all understand each other. This does not mean us agreeing with your point of view. This means that we are all pursuing the truth even if it means that our teachings are wrong. As for Ahn claiming to be Jesus and then proving it by breaking the seven seals. I told you before that the fourth seal definitley has not been broken. Here's the scripture talking about the fourth seal: Rev. 6:8 So I looked, and behold, an ashy pale horse (black and blue as if made by bruising), and its rider's name was Death and Hades (the realm of the dead) followed him closely. And they were given authority and power over a fourth part of the earth to kill with the sword and with famine and with plague (pestilence, disease) and with wild beast of the earth. This comes out of my Amplified Bible but during the time of Ahn's life when he supposedly opened the seven seals no such event ever took place. A quarter of the population would have had to have been destroyed sometime between 1918 and 1985. History does not support any event of this kind. Even with WW1 and WW2 along with all of the other wars, plagues, animal attacks, and every other kind of calamity during this time one quarter of the population was not destroyed. Ahn did not open the seven seals and I believe that he has been victimized by the WMSCOG by the way they have misrepresented him. Ahn was a believer of Jesus Christ and spoke of his return often. Please do your research on these matters. Don't take what you've been told as the truth. Test everything! The truth will set you free.

    #41634

    genny
    Participant

    Joshua wrote:

    I'm sorry that I haven't been very open to your ideas on these topics. I do hope that we can open this up to where we can all understand each other. This does not mean us agreeing with your point of view. This means that we are all pursuing the truth even if it means that our teachings are wrong. As for Ahn claiming to be Jesus and then proving it by breaking the seven seals. I told you before that the fourth seal definitley has not been broken. Here's the scripture talking about the fourth seal: Rev. 6:8 So I looked, and behold, an ashy pale horse (black and blue as if made by bruising), and its rider's name was Death and Hades (the realm of the dead) followed him closely. And they were given authority and power over a fourth part of the earth to kill with the sword and with famine and with plague (pestilence, disease) and with wild beast of the earth. This comes out of my Amplified Bible but during the time of Ahn's life when he supposedly opened the seven seals no such event ever took place. A quarter of the population would have had to have been destroyed sometime between 1918 and 1985. History does not support any event of this kind. Even with WW1 and WW2 along with all of the other wars, plagues, animal attacks, and every other kind of calamity during this time one quarter of the population was not destroyed. Ahn did not open the seven seals and I believe that he has been victimized by the WMSCOG by the way they have misrepresented him. Ahn was a believer of Jesus Christ and spoke of his return often. Please do your research on these matters. Don't take what you've been told as the truth. Test everything! The truth will set you free.

    I agree with your sentiment, Joshua.  Even if we don't agree with each other, we should be able to discuss these ideas and better understand each other.

    You also have a good point about the seals. 

    The wmscog believes the 6th seal was World War II.  If that's so, then shimon, can you tell us what the 4th seal was?

    Also, what about the 5th seal, which is the cry of the martyrs who are told to wait until the number of the others who would be killed as they were was completed. (Rev. 6:9-11)  This contradicts completely the teaching of the wmscog which says that (1) there were no saints (Christians) for centuries because salvation was unavailable until Ahn 'brought back the Passover' (no saints = no martyrs) and (2) the saved of these last days will not die but will be taken alive to heaven with 'mother jerusalem' (no saints killed = no martyrs).  (Besides that it should have happened before WWII, which is before salvation was available again, according to the wmscog.)

    So how does the wmscog explain the 5th seal?

    http://encountering-ahnsahnghong.blogspot.com/2011/11/who-is-worthy-to-open-scroll-and-seals.html

    #41635

    Simon
    Participant

    Seven thunders and, seven seals are unrelated for one secondly 144k won’t sure not all last day saints also reformers and those who were killed for not subjecting themselves to catholic doctrine are saints

    #41636

    Simon
    Participant

    Also let’s assume for sake of argument you.are correct he failed he still claimed to.and still.claimed only Jesus could therefore still made claim to be Jesus which was.what I was addressing

    #41637

    genny
    Participant

    The 7 thunders and 7 seals are different, but both from Revelation and both used by the wmscog to prove Ahn as God.  The wmscog says that Ahn opened the seals to reveal the secrets of the Bible.  If so, what were the 4th and 5th seals?

    But can you try saying the rest again, please? 🙂

    Just want to tell you, shimon, I appreciate your willingness to engage in conversation.  You have been much pleasanter to talk with than many other members I've met.  Thank you very much for not making me feel evil and ignorant.

    #41638

    Simon
    Participant

    I don't remember much about the seven seals I didn't really studdy them often, but we do not teach them as starting in 1918

     

    About the seven thunders if you claim only Jesus can unseal them and you claim to have unsealed them you are claiming to be Jesus even if you did not in fact unseal them.

    About the Saints Ahnsahnghong wrote in one of his books, I do not recall which, about the Martyrs killed durring the Dark Ages and about God sending reformers like Luther into the world, who are unable to restore the whole truth but who were still sent by God to restore truths bit at a time. He also explained the reason God did not restore the whole truth at once through the anology of turning on a bright light in a dark room. This is why although they were not in full truth they could still be called saints, they had the mind to do God's will as best as the current times allowed them to know how.

    #41639

    genny
    Participant

    About the seven thunders if you claim only Jesus can unseal them and you claim to have unsealed them you are claiming to be Jesus even if you did not in fact unseal them.

    Alright, this I can understand.

    About the Saints Ahnsahnghong wrote in one of his books, I do not recall which, about the Martyrs killed durring the Dark Ages and about God sending reformers like Luther into the world, who are unable to restore the whole truth but who were still sent by God to restore truths bit at a time. He also explained the reason God did not restore the whole truth at once through the anology of turning on a bright light in a dark room. This is why although they were not in full truth they could still be called saints, they had the mind to do God's will as best as the current times allowed them to know how.

    This does not make sense to me.

    In Daniel 7, the word for "saints" means "the holy ones" (http://concordances.org/hebrew/6922.htm)

    In Rev. 13, the word for "saints" means "sacred, most holy, set apart for God," (http://concordances.org/greek/40.htm)  It's the same word used in the phrase "the Holy Spirit."

    So the wmscog would call someone like Martin Luther a saint?  Someone who preached salvation by faith alone, kept Sunday services and communion, observed Easter and Christmas?  If the wmscog would not consider him saved, why would they consider him a saint?

    If they would consider him a saint, then wouldn't it follow that they should consider him saved?  But then that would contradict what the wmscog says is required to be saved.

    #41640

    Simon
    Participant

    As I said God sent him to restore some truths not all of them. We are in an age where more is revealed so more is required.

    #41641

    genny
    Participant

    shimon, do you agree that a 'saint' is someone who has salvation?  Can a person be a 'saint' without being saved?

    How were people saved in all those centuries when the wmscog says the Passover had disappeared from the earth?

    #41642

    Simon
    Participant

    I already answered that that as did ahnsahnghong in one of his books

    #41643

    genny
    Participant

    shimon wrote:

    I already answered that that as did ahnsahnghong in one of his books

    I meant to ask what you thought, not what Ahnsahnghong thought.  Does it make sense to you that a person can be considered a 'saint' if they are not saved?

    #41644

    Simon
    Participant

    No but that’s ignoring the fact.my church nor ahnsahnghong not I say they.are unsaved

    #41645

    Joshua
    Participant

    Shimon, was he saved or not? Why or why not? Please be specific!

    #41646

    Simon
    Participant

    It is my understanding he was saved because he accepted the Gospel as revealed at that point in time.

    For example the OT prophets they accepted the Word of God as fully as revealed at that point they never heard of Jesus as their saviour but they still followed God's will for that period of time.

    #41647

    Joshua
    Participant

    This seems like an honest answer. Thank you.

    #41648

    genny
    Participant

    shimon wrote:

    It is my understanding he was saved because he accepted the Gospel as revealed at that point in time.

    For example the OT prophets they accepted the Word of God as fully as revealed at that point they never heard of Jesus as their saviour but they still followed God's will for that period of time.

    Except that the WMSCOG says the true Gospel had been revealed by Jesus and then squashed by the church in power.  Why couldn't he have just read the Bible and seen what was missing?

    So salvation was available in all those centuries without the Passover as long as you 'accepted the Gospel as revealed at that point in time'?

    So the Christians in the world today who have never heard about the wmscog's doctrine are saved because they have accepted the Gospel as it was known?

    #41649

    Simon
    Participant

    If one never hears before they die they get a.chance according to what I said before if you have access to visitors.from the angelic world chapter 21 covers it

    Ultimately if God is fair how can he condemn people who never heard to hell

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