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I was brainstorming this morning when God gave me a revelation. After holding it up to the Word of God to see if God was really reavealing himself to me I decided to post it for everyones comments. This morning it was impressed on me that the WMS does not really read the Word of God. The word is taken apart, rearranged, and put together in lesson form to support whatever topic the WMS wants. It's a man made interpretation! Does God need a translater? NO! When we don't understand Gods word we are to pray for discernment and seek Godly counsel. When you're not really reading Gods word instead you're letting other people interpret it for you it opens you up to whatever those people want you to believe. It's no wonder that there are so many misinterpretations in the WMS teachings. Even when God tries to talk to a WMS member directly or indirectly (through others) the message doesn't match up and the WMS says that Satan is trying to steal their faith. Calling God Satan because the teachings are man made has got to be one of the greatest sins of all. The WMS will answer for this one day! I pray that the WMS members will open their eyes, remove the veils, (both literally and figurativley) and start reading Gods word as he gave it to us. Many things of God are not easy to understand and I know that one of the things the WMS pushes is that Gods word is not supposed to be a mystery but it clearly states that Gods ways are mysterious. Once again, this is Gods Word not mans interpretation of it. Please stop taking more and more lessons and start reading Gods word as he gave it to you. When you get confused, and you will, pray to the one true God to give you clairification. The more you trust in God the greater he will be in your life. No one can do this for you! You have to make the choice to believe the truth.
genny wrote:
That's an admonition that we all should take to heart, no matter what church we go to or who we study with. Thanks, Joshua.
On a similar note, here's something I noticed with my sister and the wmscog. Since we couldn't talk about Bible doctrine or discuss questions and differences without her getting stressed, but the Bible is still a big part of our lives, so I asked her to just read it with me–no debates or anything like that, just read (with a goal of reading through the Bible entirely), and we could point out any interesting words or verses (just nothing to debate about).
After a couple tries with our busy lives, we finally settled that we could read over the phone with each other, just a few chapters at a time. What could be wrong with simply reading what the Bible says, right?
Well, when we finished Isaiah and were just starting Jeremiah, she said she didn't want to read the Bible with me any more because it made her uncomfortable. We hadn't been having any doctrine discussions or arguments or anything, we had just been reading the words on the pages. Again, what in the world could be wrong with simply reading the Bible together? What would make reading the Bible 'uncomfortable'?
Can you explain that, shimon?
I have two theories. 1. By reading whole chapters and books at a time (in context) she saw that verses in context show their true meanings better than verse picked here and there and mated together Frankenstein-style as the wmscog does it. 2. The wmscog teaches that you can't read the Bible by yourself and understand it–you must have them explain it to you. And by reading it herself, she was seeing that it didn't line up well with what she had been taught. These two things would cause questioning about the wmscog, and questioning would be a mark of doubt, and doubting the 'true church' is doubting God, and that would leave her in danger of losing her salvation. (Of course, if your doubt causes you to leave a false organization, then that would actually be a good thing.)
I have been experiencing the same thing with my loved one. I asked, begged, pleaded for us to just sit and read the Bible together, no discussion, no lessons, just let it speak to us as individuals. I was looking for something to bridge us back together. We did it once and it went well, at least I thought it did. I was hopeful, but alas, it only happened once. I have asked for us to do it again, but was met with refusal.
I wonder if it has to do with the fact reasing the bible without discussion or interpretation feels pointless.
Experiencing God's Word with another individual without discussing it does seem pointless at times. But until my loved one opens up to me again, I will not know exactly.
shimon wrote:
I wonder if it has to do with the fact reasing the bible without discussion or interpretation feels pointless.
If that were so, why didn't she just tell me it felt pointless? Instead, she told me about how it made her 'uncomfortable' and that we believed differently anyhow. Don't you think there would be enough that we could agree on while we read to have something to talk about? And if it is God's word, how could it make you 'uncomfortable' to read it, even with someone who disagreed with you. If you believed you had the truth, wouldn't you want to read the Bible with a willing unbeliever? Wouldn't you expect that it would have an impact in the unbeliever's life? Isaiah 55:11 and Hebrews 4:12 — God's word is powerful. I would never consider it pointless.
Another thing, doesn't the wmscog preach about believing God's word, and not man's interpretation? Do you have to have a discussion about the Bible and it's interpretations when you read it, or can you just let it speak for itself?
a shared experience to me seems different than solitary so I would see a need to discuss on some level personally.
Joshua wrote:
Shimon, as I understand your last post you would rather slice and dice the Bible into things that others say makes sense rather than read it the way it's presented? I see an obvious man made problem with this. Can you see it?
You misunderstand me if that is how you see what I said.
I didn't portray anything any way all I said was reading and discussing what you read. I read and am ENCOURAGED by my deacon to read books in order without skipping anything we don't skip in the way people accuse us of.
We use every verse you have accused us of skipping.
shimon wrote:
a shared experience to me seems different than solitary so I would see a need to discuss on some level personally.
Isn't there anything in the Bible that you think we could agree on while we read it?
Yes Genny I’m sure there is but not if you don’t discuss
your question is invalid
Nope its the truth you asked me what conflicts I found I found none ergo invalid
shimon wrote:
We use every verse you have accused us of skipping.
Does the wms believe in Deuteronomy 24:5?
"If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married."
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