they SHOULD be dead by now.

is that it? I’m sure there are other verses in the bible that proves your opinion, right? If not, f*** off and get out of that damned church because the next thing you know, they will be ordering you to commit suicide when your “mother” died.

this explanation should clear things up.

Im from Philippine. They show me some verses while teaching me that the church in the bible means the god the mother or the bride

Hi jessa. Where has the WMS said this?

Hello DavidsOffspring and thank you for commenting.

You stated “Nowhere in his books, or sermons does Ahnsahnghong indicate that the bride is the church”. But in the above article you can see the direct quotes from Ahnsahnghong’s books where he describes the bride as “the saints who are redeemed can be called the last Eve” on page 55 in “Visitors From The Angelic World”. This is Ahn saying that the bride is the church. Do you have a copy of the book that you can reference so that you can see it for yourself?

You stated “A bride will never mean a church”, yet Scripture is replete with exactly this metaphor. For instance 2 Corinthians 11:2-3:

2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
– 2 Corinthians 11:2-3

or even more clearly Ephesians 5:29-32:

29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church — 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
–Ephesians 5:29-32

Clearly the church is referred to as the bride in these verses. Note that Paul says “your minds” when speaking to members of the church.

Now, we are quickly bringing in a lot of additional verses. I would encourage you to mention these as separate posts in our forum so that we can further discuss each one. I would be very interested in studying the arguments in more detail so we can clear up any misunderstanding. As a quick follow up though, in regard to Galatians 4:26, please see this article, and for the wedding banquet in general I would recommend this article.
Also, please specify which verses in Revelation 21 you are referring to.

You stated, “It says Jesus will come in the flesh again and cry out.. that is followed by a verse in John stating…”. Can you please expand on this more?

It would be helpful if you could start a separate topic for each of your points in the forum. That way we can address each of the points accurately and the focus of the questions will not be lost.

Hope to hear from you soon.

It says Jesus will come in the flesh again and cry out.. that is followed by a verse in John stating “Your word is truth”. Jesus was crying out the truth. When Jesus cried out at the Feast, he was teaching about the truth (John 7). When he comes a 2nd time, he will cry out the truth. Meaning, he will teach about the truth, crying out for his children. John 1 states that God’s children are not born of natural descent, or human nature, or a husband’s will.. but born of God.

Hi Reina,

Thank you for your response. I am very interested in debating this topic. Here are some comments on the points you raise:

1. The bride in Revelation 22:17 clearly refers to the church, and not to any “mother god”, because the Bible everywhere refers to the church as “the bride”. This was pointed out in the original article above.

So your task with Revelation 22:17 is to demonstrate why the term “bride” in this verse does not mean “church”, when everywhere else in Scripture it is constantly used as a metaphor for the church. As Ahnsahnghong says in The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life, “we must let the Bible interpret the Bible”. Interpreting this verse here as anything other than “the church” does violence to the metaphor used throughout the Bible, as well as Ahnsahnghong’s own directive.

2. Ahnsahnghong says what he believes Revelation 22:17 means in “The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life” in Ch 35, on p. 473 when he writes:

The interpretation of Rev 22:17 is that Jesus, who cried out on the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles 1,900 years ago, will come again in the flesh and cry out.
– Ahn Sahng-Hong, The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life, Ch 35, p. 473

So, on the one hand Ahn Sahng-Hong, the man the WMSCOG claims is the second coming of Jesus Christ says it means one thing, and on the other hand, your argument says it means something else. Do you see the problem?

Ashnsahnghong says that Rev 22:17 refers to “Jesus Christ”, and the argument you raise says it refers to a “heavenly mother”. I guess if we want to follow Ahnsahnghong, I’d have to say he has already proven that argument wrong. So if we want to listen to Ahnsahnghong, then Rev 22:17 refers to Jesus Christ and not to any “heavenly mother”.

Your thoughts?