Abhigail Delema

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  • #73632

    Abhigail Delema
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    Thanks John for sharing your experince in the WMSCOG what ever you said i have seen it in our zion in India the people who are humble are squeezed of their money and sacrafice in the name of God while the church leaders and Pastors have a good time eating good food going every sunday to members house for visits keep watch on members and accordingly talk about Father and Mother scarifice if they know you have lots of money the pastors wife will tell the members wife pastor is very worried eg- we need a Ac for zion or chairs etc ,pastors wife is so cunning she knows that the sister will tell her husband and the donation will be given,then they give some fake story in the Usa zion some member gavr this to mother etc then what is the use of having lots of money when we are going to heaven soon .There are caseswhere they have paid for memebers who could be Gospel workers to go to korea got them married to koreans vasatomy done today they are running their zions in Delhi etcNow i just meet the decans wife who is the right hand of the pastor in mumbai zion she told me they brought a mini bus in her husbands name for preaching ,she even says that many people go to the pastor complaining about our family in zion but pastor just ignores them, she herself pays good tithe so pastore is very happy with her family.On the other hand if some ones tithe is very low the leader is questioned as to what is the members salary .If a member does not pay tithe the leader is asked does the member not eat food does he not travel does he have a mobie phone from where he gets money /

    #73616

    Abhigail Delema
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    Iwas told that jesus never went to other countries to preach. so mpther need not go anywhere.Supriseingly they thought me and showed me a vedio that father went to China and never returned.

    #73626

    Abhigail Delema
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    I like the way John says it is a christian group when we were thought saviour of each age they said the age of father son and holy spirt is over and now we are in the age of the bride that is god the Mother she is our saviour and god ,but all the other sects in christianty dont belive in mother why should the COG call themselves christians.They also force people to keep all worships on saturday if members dont come they go to their house and pick them up members are deprived of their sleep they are forced to keep early morning worship on feast days for weeks and days and especially on a sabbath it is like 5 worships in a day.In India they were here from the year 2000 and have not paid any tax to the Govt they are only registered in the year 2012 as a charitable trust what tax exzemtion are they  talking about they teach members and force them to give thites showing members verses give god what is god and Cesar what is Cesar  but here in India they dont pay Cesar {Govt}.John calls people for open discussion ,then putting things on the internet and spoiling their name as he claims but i have seen when i was in zion the minute a member talks against them they call him satan,judas etc and if she leaves members are thought not to talk to a member and the pastor is praying for the member who left so that their eyes rot in their socket.So many wives in zion are told to divorce their husbands if he has a drinking problem and they stop them from keeping worship.I also like the way he denies the world end story predicted by the church members were told to store food,candles drums of water etc,also frightened members to the core showing them the 2012 movie. I realy liked when John was asked weather the wmscog sued Mischel you could see the guilt n his face. In our zion i have seen all decaans missionary signing a non discloser agreement that to it is written in Korean not english because if members know they want sign.Here i have seen even if members fast in zion the children are forced to fast even with water.Even when food is served on sabaath day or feast first the elders eat then the children thats korean culture.

    #73596

    Abhigail Delema
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    When i left they tried their best to pull me back in they came to my house but i openly refused when they realized that i would not return,they started spoiling my name that i was a traitor,Satan,they said i had a lot of pride and was also from Judas family who betrayed jesus they also said i was close to the zion on the streets showing members from the bible verses not to go to zion .This is where i realized this was a cult how destructive their members were who were ready to bang their head on the wall to prove themselves to be Gods people they also went to the police and RC church organization for help who they call Satan .looking at the way they denied all their conversation with Ron and Daine video i thought this group is nothing but full of lies.

    #51487

    Abhigail Delema
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    The zion from India Andheri mogara village near the buffaloe shed,has shifted to Maha kali caves a little ahead in Andheri (Mumbai).Also the Cheif pastor came to India and meet all the members in a hall hired called Ragu leela and members all over meet in one place.

    #72273

    Abhigail Delema
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    Really nice to see them try their best to justify their claims.The fact is they do force people to pay tithes or they tell you if you don't you are cheating god and your worship is in vain,god won't listen to your prayers.Another point I know where they teach you cant love your parents ,children or your own brothers and sisters in zion or out of zion with all your heart it means you have made them your idol,so you should only love and praise Heavenly Father and Mother. Taking the video in the dark at night it is very obvious they won't let them shoot the video when all their members are around ,The way they have made up this video and tried to accuse Hassan and Ron makes me realise and feel that there is no doubt it is a Cult.Rebecca needs to look at Mumbai zion in India where  there are Families facing the same issue she has been in.

    #72262

    Abhigail Delema
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    I have literally seen members asking the group leaders for a birth certificate of his son baptised in the Wmscog so that he could get admission in a roman catholic school,but they refused to give.I have also seen even though members are in the wmscog they are using the roman catholic baptism certificate to get admission in college that are being run by the Roman catholic organization ,they lie to their pastors and their Mudder who has thought them not to enter a school or premise that has idols and run by the roman catholic because it is satans home.These members doing this are Deccan's and daily preachers.Now i begin to think who are the hypocrites and the Pharisees? Who say, lord all the time. 

    #72252

    Abhigail Delema
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    Even if you do or don't tell them they will spoil your name like satan took over you,you will be called Judas a cheater or a robber.You will be falsely accused anyways.They will tell members not to talk to you The.Bottom line is you will not regret,you will be very happy outside that place,like a free bird and whatever you hear or what the cult says will not make any difference to you. You will hear stories like mudder said you will come back,don't cancell his/her name.Ha ha ha.

    #72219

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    A big thank you to this site,it is only because of this site I could get out of the WMSCOG.When I was there they told us the internet was the tree of knowledge of good and evil but after I was guided into this site I could see and know that this was a cult who hide their secrets like Ahn and Zang were married and had children which was hidden for years when I was there like hidden manna prophesy,how they lie and trick people and it is not only in India.The chief pastors false revelation of the church being established in  the USA.Their great story of the Big Shine company,the We love you foundation is connected and is the same organization of the WMSCOG .The failed prediction they deny of 2012,and a lot more the list can go on and on.If this site wasn't there I would  never  know anything.a big thank you to the Admin and all its members for opening my eyes and let me see this is nothing but a Cult which let me see fairy tales and is still cheating and taking money from members in India 

    #72112

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    True the lighting they speak about is the gospel they preach.They also claim as per Isa 34-16 not one verse in the bible will lack her mate all verses in the bible are mated,Isa 29- 9-12 the bible is sealed and god has sealed it for all the false prophets, verse 14 says i will astound them in the last days.So for the false teachers out of zion it is sealed Isa 28-13 it is do and do, rule and rule,a little here a little there.But Isa 28-14 says i will lay a corner stone in zion Eph 2-20 Jesus is the corner stone when Eph was written Jesus was not there and as per Dan 7-25 zion was destroyed,zion is a place where gosds festivals are celebrated Isa 33-20, but to restore zion christ must appear again Heb 9-28 so he appeared in Korea as per coming from the east.Rev 5 1-6 says the scroll is sealed it had witting on both sides we have the bible with wiritting on both sides verse 6 no one could open the scroll or look inside so john wept and wept verse 5 says only the root of David.who is he? Rev22-16 the angel sent is the 2cc who is Jesus himself ,Rev 22-18-20 so evry thing we show you is in the bible the seals are opened who did it it is the second coming christ.The Sprit in verse 20 is Ash and the Bride is Zang.So could anyone on this earth open such secrets in the bible ,so he is and must be the second coming CHRIST.This is what i was thought and brain washed.

    #72106

    Abhigail Delema
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    I guess when they teach every eye will see,and every ear will hear .They mean spiritual eyes and ears  not physical .They mean to say when we preach to everyone all don't accept the truth about father and mother only those who have spiritual eyes and ears  can accept and see.Same goes with the New name and Jesus always spoke in parables so if you don't have spiritual eyes and ears we will not understand their teaching.But strange after 2012 my spiritual eyes and ears were taken away and i got to know they are nothing but a cult.

    #71693

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    In our zion here in Mumbai India ,we were not allowed to visit other  zion for worship without the pastors permission .Reason given was so that we would receive a warm welcome when we go there and we will  be treated well,but latar I realized it was not true it was because they did not want the members to gossip and pass information about the corrupt activities in their zion.So when a member from other zion came to our zion the large group leader was appointed to keep watch with who the members are talking to.Just like when you visit Korea you will have all the Korean overseers eyes poping on members to see what tey eat drink and talk to one another.For example,no Local zion member will talk to you from Korea when you visit them.Even if we see a member from korea who has visted India before you will see that member is being watched by other Korean overseers and will be interrupted like bredder i think you need to take rest we will meet again ,it is time for Mother to come.Even here they tried their best in our zion to use the Korean titles but it was objected because of our culture but latter afterI left they started using the Korean titles ,we were forced to scream amen when a prayer or sermon was given or said.Bredder were not allowed to talk to sisters or meet out and if seen or heard of the pastor would ask the leaders to find out what  going on,we were strickly told not to share our Phone numbers with brothers.So much so today in our Mumbai zion brothers are in a separate room for worship and eating food no contact at all with sisters.borrowing money from one another is restricted,but is done on a quite looking at missionary  in zion 2 and decon who are heads in zion 1.

    #71648

    Abhigail Delema
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    <strong style=”margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: ‘Trebuchet MS’, ‘Lucida Grande’, Verdana, Tahoma, Arial; font-size: 12px; line-height: 19.2px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);”>UntouchableJ @  When the dance routine for "I have already come" came out, we practiced outside for an hour. I remember it vividly. Retake after retake. If God/Jerusalem is supposed to be the praise of all nations, why such rudimentary methoda to fulfill such a prophecy.

    Here in ,Mumbai we practiced for 3 weeks and above even on the Sabbath day and different zion in different places like Borivli,Goa etc also did the same.Then when the actual day came for shooting the video we were told to choose important or famous location and got us all excited after so much of practice,they also said that the other zion location should not be the same.All members were called to encourage the dancers.The biggest joke is we choose about five location from morning 5am to 4pm and members had to travel from one place to another on their own expense and a Indian patatoe ham burger was given by the church,the biggest joke was this whole dance was short with a small mini camera.We short the full song at a Player ground,churchgate station ,hanging garden and a open sea face area the other zion choose to shoot in front of the Taj hotel,national park etc after a full days trouble what we seen on the I have already come video is not even a one second clip of India on it.Then as usal once the video was out we were told to go on you tube and like the video by giving glory to Father and Mother.The members who did not know to operate the internet large group leaders were advised to open youtube accounts for them.This is why when ever i see their videos of the wmscog i always see and realize what a fake it is.Also all those silly comments the members give below their videos.

    #71638

    Abhigail Delema
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    I also remember when they told us to say a few words to Mother or say something good after the Passover ceromony or members travelling to Korea.They would get members all excited and there would be about 20 retakes even for a zion photo after any feast saying this picture are going to Korea for Mother to see.I just wonder how many retakes Rebecca has taken to make this video and the pressure she must have gone true.I have also seen how media hungry they are when they do street cleaning and charity work,I tell you for me these people are a big fake.

    #71633

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    Rebecca needs to know that here in India families are affected without any cult experts.they are all thought by the leaders through the pastors and they are separated from their families.Here in India people are not at all excited to hear about god in flesh because we have many ladies who claim to be god as per my experience I know all were baptized without knowing the truth of Father and Mother when I joined only showing sabbath and Passover and after a little more studies who brought us all these truth ?and then Father and mother aears .Rebecca also says that everyone talks or focus on the negative side of a person not the positive side,sad to say that is what the WMSCOG does too ,I know of many ex-members who left and have worked very hard for the organization who  have given their time ,money,and have established churches in different states who have stood by them when they were not registered in India but today they are called satan,judas etc.Regarding 2012 the end is a mystery it is difficult to prove because they did not let us write sermons,but we were shown a movie soon after the sermon, the movie 2012 and we were told Father and Mother inspired the famous directors of Hollywood to awaken the peoples of the world that the end is very near so they can see the last disaster.Even the use of internet was forbidden even taking a credit card,taking money on loan or life insurance policy was not allowed it meant we did not belive in the Passover,but today I know that a decon,a lady missionary has taken a apartment on loan plus motor bike.I would love to put a comment on the video on you tube but I know they will erase it, because all the comments the goodie ones are put by the instructions of the pastor that is what they told us to do at the I have already come video to go like and subscribe.Even giving money to the church was told by pastors and leaders they said what is the use of money in your bank account if the world ends tomorrow what will you tell father and mother on last day.Rebecca talks about changing glasses and seeing things I wish she does so herself or come out of the egg shell and see how beautiful the people of the world are.There is know doubt for me to belive that the wmscog is a cult.

    #69033

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    Excellent great work.

    #69903

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    UntouchableJ wrote:

     

    There are many more. If you were never a member, the Wms members will remind you of Ned Flanders from the Simpsons, or a super happy Nickolodean actor. Everything is uber fake and drawn out. It might give you a cavity.

    Very true here in India I heard the Koreans telling members they look like Korean actors how funny I just thought we look far different then the Koreans, They could give these fake stories to the brothers and sisters in Nepal because they look like them.Lol…

    #70909

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    Here in India ,Mumbai they have a list of families that are broken and their husbands have come to zion to fight with the pastors because the wives and children don't listen to them.If we carefully notice they are given powers by the pastors they are either large or small group leaders or deaconess the list is as follows and it can go on.

    1 Monica Shah family

    2 Elizabeth Parmar

    3 Philo Correa  

    4 Jessy Vargease

    5 Priya DSousa

    6 Panzy D,Souza

    This is a list of families broken whose husbands have come and fought in zion.  

    #70525

    Abhigail Delema
    Participant

    Looking at Rebecca vid it reminded me of the time when i was in the wmscog and they called the pastors favourites and short small videos telling members that it was going to be sent to mother in Korea,and you could see members crying and told what to say and what not.There are many takes and retakes.Good to hear that she openly said that her marriage did not work,but here in India we have a missionary who denies his marriage to a Korean.I like the way she tries to justify herself saying that the real parts were cut and her video was made to show the negative side of her and the wmscog,but sad to say this his what the wmscog has done the same thing to Ron ramos and Diane,because when i was there they have showed us vid of Ron trip to Korea with our Indian members and our pastors at that time praised them for their faith in Father& mother and now that they have left thay talk bad about them and all ex-members.Brian i totaly agree with you what she said to defend herself are slimy lawyer talk. 

    #70473

    Abhigail Delema
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    Also quitely opening many baby branches all over India.Trying their best not to give Cesar what belongs to Cesar.(taxes to the govt)

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