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I keep running into this problem with WMSCOG teachings not matching up to the Word of God. While I/we are trying to help by pointing out these contradictions we are being attacked. Our character, beliefs, and values are all being questioned because of the fact that what is being taught goes against Gods Word. Many times we cannot even get our questions answered because the answers might be used against the WMSCOG. Personally, due to my own personal experiences with the WMSCOG, I think that they can't answer our questions honestly because the answers show that there is something wrong with the WMSCOG. Admitting this would be to turn their back on what they feel is the truth and they are so resistant to that idea that these members would rather live in lies. WMSCOG, your fight is not with me/us, it's against God and his Word. You're going to lose. Sorry.
Amen to that Joshua!
Well stated, Joshua. That is the very essence of this website and why the wmscog hierarchy want so badly to shut it down. I know they have their own websites, and I really don't care. I even look at them now and then. But they are really all spun up over this website.
Well actually nothing is cut and dry, even with what everyone here believes as God's word, I or anyone else can flush it down the toilet and dispute it. I too run into the problems with the teachings of Protestants, calvinist, lutherans baptists, Catholics, and anything you guys want to believe, they don't match with the word of God that's why all of us are here at the Church of God.
If you guys give us your knowledge of the bible we will prove it's falicies and falsehood just as you do the same. Maybe you are fine with having your beliefs debated and tested, but we don't enjoy having to do it, we do it all day, and if we know that there is no point, then we don't waste our time, on the other hand if we know that we can help you in seeing the light then we will give it our all.
If you had a letter from you dad who past away, would you show it to people who will spit on it? Thats how we think of God's word, we don't let people stomp on it, and if we know they will we won't give, that's our choice. We are still winning globaly. Sorry
Actually Joshua Jesus did say to have descretion when preaching the word of God. It's in the bible. The bible clearly says if you know someone is just going to stomp on it don't give it. So if following the words of God seems arrogant I'm sorry but I choose to please God not man.
As for numbers we had Ron's and Diane's spot filled quicker than you can snap your fingers, that's how thirsty people are for the words of God, it's no surprise they have a hard time finding it elsewhere.
I hope you do consider with reasoning what I am saying it is for you benefit not to just debate you. Confidence is a scarry thing, you don't know the truth until God tells you it is. Aren't all people confident in what they believe in? Even Budhist know that what they believe in is right. Even Islamist feel that the things they do is right and for God. They have confidence in their "research"
You ask where is our truth backed up by anything outside of the bible and our group, I would hate to think it was. because then it wouldn't be truth any longer. Joshua you still have a lot to learn about our truth, and I would be glad to help you.
First of all thanks Joshua because your posts are always full of wisdom, patience and love … 🙂
@FTOS…Throughout your comments that have gone from ignorant to offensive I had the opportunity to understand very well the difference between what is to defend our Christian values from simply try to defend the indefensible.
I agree with Joshua, because in the end, God is God and He will make his perfect justice. WMSCOG members may try to justify in many countries why their teachings bring negative consequences to their members, relatives and friends, at the end everyone will know the truth and the anathemas will be expelled from the presence of God.
This is an informative forum, one that gives a voice to those who have had to face the bitter experience of the WMSCOG existence and we should be respected as such. I know there should be some WMSCOG members who know how to make coherent dialogues, share their experiences and express their beliefs without trying to humiliate anyone; unfortunately, FTOS you are not one of them. You have been filling this forum wiith absurd abuses… respect so you can gain respect and prove even once that what you are learning is good in some matter, try to show the "good fruit" (if any) that you have learned.
It's a shame that so far from you we have been proven (again and again…) that the WMSCOG is far away the "truth" though it is clearly that you've been trying so hard to prove otherwise.
fromtheotherside wrote:
As for numbers we had Ron's and Diane's spot filled quicker than you can snap your fingers, that's how thirsty people are for the words of God, it's no surprise they have a hard time finding it elsewhere.
Interesting…then why is the wmscog suing for lost revenue?
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Like I said earlier, and now in other words, the wisdom of God is beyond scrutiny. Some words are sincerely divine. I don’t think we realise the true power of the real God. Thanks again for this one, Joshua.
fromtheotherside wrote:
I hope you do consider with reasoning what I am saying it is for you benefit not to just debate you. Confidence is a scarry thing, you don't know the truth until God tells you it is. Aren't all people confident in what they believe in? Even Budhist know that what they believe in is right. Even Islamist feel that the things they do is right and for God. They have confidence in their "research"
Yes, isn't that interesting. Each thinks that they have the truth, but of course they can't all have the truth because they contradict each other. Would you agree that they are wrong and don't even realize it?
If they can be wrong and not realize it, isn't it possible for you (or me too) to be wrong and not realize it? I've asked this before, but here it is again… If what you believe is not true, would you want to know? Answer honestly for yourself.
You ask where is our truth backed up by anything outside of the bible and our group, I would hate to think it was. because then it wouldn't be truth any longer. Joshua you still have a lot to learn about our truth, and I would be glad to help you.
If I were talking with someone who believed aliens were living among us, and I asked them if their truth was backed up by any independent research, and they said, "No, and that's why I know it's the truth," I would say that's a pretty silly way of thinking, wouldn't you?
Let's say there was a person standing in front of you who claimed to be your grandfather. He looked and talked like your grandfather, and even had the same mannerisms… But let's say your grandfather has been missing for many years, and you want to make sure this man really is who he says he is. You would ask him some questions and see if he knew everything your grandfather should know.
What if he calls your mother Lucy when her name was really Susan? And then what if he talked about visiting you when you were a baby in New York, but you were born in Chicago and never went anywhere until you were a teen? Wouldn't these kinds of statements send up a red flag for you that this isn't really your grandfather? What do you do?
How many wrong answers would it take for you to give up thinking this was your grandfather? Or would you always make excuses for his wrong answers because you really want to have your grandfather back again?
This is similar to what is happening with the WMSCOG. There are many facts and inconsistencies that put up red flags that they are not what they claim. You called the president's service award problem a toothpick trying to stop a river, but I want to ask you how many toothpicks need to be pointed out to you before the weight of them all finally makes a difference to you?
I'm still waiting to hear from you about these…
The wrong facts in the Antichrist and Daniel teaching: https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=4642
The wrong month for the 7th month feasts: https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=4646
Joshua can't you see that the whole world as you know it is not true? History proves so much wrong around you. That's why sometime I may seem to not only spitting on your beliefs and even in your face even kicking in you in your groin but its ony to wake you up. Bring me your whole family even if I have to spit on them and on their testimonies about the church of God in order to wake you up I will. yea we did have good talks joshua what happened, I was trying to be patient with you, and now your acting out?
I know you are a man that sees black and white then know that God has no grey, but in this world there is to much grey with what people believe in as God. Your a smart man I know you are, so try to humble yourself and take a chance to learn.
If you believe in your statement, then know that that is the same reason I'm here on this website, to open your eyes
If you believe in your statement, then know that that is the same reason I'm here on this website, to open your eyes
You beliefs are tested yes, to be false. You worship on what day? Thats not in the bible if it is show it to me so I can tell you why it's not. You guys are filled with man made celebrations can't you see that?
You beliefs are tested yes, to be false. You worship on what day? Thats not in the bible if it is show it to me so I can tell you why it's not. You guys are filled with man made celebrations can't you see that?
Genny we may overlook many things, there are things that I may not know and there are things you may not know. But so far you haven't proven anything wrong in my view. Genny who came first Catholics or protestants? I'm sure you know it was the catholics. But even before them there was the apostles and their church. Do you believe that the doctrine of all three are the same? Or do you think there are differences? If so what are they? While I work on your questions do you mind answering mine?
FTOS, what do you know about the Catholics? I’m curious.
not much. and I never said I did either. y do u ask? can you tell me about them?
Just wondering since a lot of preaching on Daniel and revelation has to do with them.
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