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I find it very ironic that WMSCOG members would try to use this phrase to make their points valid. Then they come to a website like this one, get shown how the truth stands on its own and how their doctrine doesn’t fit into the truth. After this revelation they spend so much time arguing, denying the truth, trying to make their doctrine somehow better than the truth. Forgive me but I just don’t understand the reason for it.
MM, my comments are the fruit of peoples comments here, if you don't admit people like Joshua are asking for a good slap in the face, then you guys need to get over yourselves.
Just as renita said it is against teachings of Mother to be mean or not to preach with love and humbles, but like I who act according to my feelings people aren't pushed to do anything. If some one stands in front of you insulting your parents are you gonna just stand I doubt it. Luckly this is just words and the internet for people like Joshua.
MM you have never been rude to me and I never in turn have said anything rude to you, see how that works!
ftos mother says to be kind and loving even to those who persecute
she said in a sermon the mind of God isn’t ever to get angry. if you stepped on God’s foot God’s mind would be to apologize for being in the way.
I was also told where while she was leading wmscog members and someone shoved her and she didn’t even bat an eye
if these are true or not the wmscog teaching of the mind the children of God are to have isn’t compatible with your behaviour.
even if Joshua were the biggest jerk ever your God wouldn’t have you behave as such neither would his God.
MountainMom wrote:
Renita, I am sure your intentions all along have been good. My relative also came from a place of love and good intentions. However, somewhat like FTOS, it quickly turned into anger, frustration, and rude comments toward those who wouldn't convert to his church. He felt awful about what he said to us, we felt bad about it as well. And yet he was told to keep preaching to us, which in turn, caused more problems. It is designed to, whether members realize it or not, it is designed to. Keep after them, they will all join you eventually. No, they won't. We certainly won't. It is a lie they've been told.
And this 2012 thing. Another lie to spread a sense of urgency on the preaching. It makes the member even more frustrated, angry, and even panicked that they only have a short time to "save" their loved ones. So do whatever you can to get them in, you're doing them a favor! At least that is what the poor misguided member thinks. The end justifies the means type of thing.
I have a question for you, because it would help me understand why you may have experienced things differently or have a different point of view. Did you go home to a non member spouse? If you didn't or you aren't dealing with a child in this group who is being damaged, then you wouldn't have that sadness and pain that some of us do. Not that I want you to, either. It would just explain a lot.
You know, it never crossed my mind that to encourage members to keep preaching would possibly be a part of their plan to keep them separated. It makes complete sense though. I mean, I avoid my grandmother because she constantly brings up the topic of Jesus and I should pray even though I opened up to her about my non-beliefs. I'm glad he feels bad about the things he says because that shows he still has some of his own mind.
I did have a spouse. We weren't married but he was with me before, during, and after the WMSCOG. I preached to him 2 subjects. What Day of the Week is the Biblical Sabbath and The Weeds and Wheat. But he didn't accept it. So, I stopped preaching to him. I have a daughter who went to Zion and to my mom's church. It was difficult on her because I'm teaching her a prayer to F&M while my mom is teaching her a prayer to Jesus. It frustrated me that my mom was doing this without reason. And though there are many reasons, she didn't have anything to say other than 'You're in a cult!' So, I avoided her, too. I prefered to just keep my distance rather than press an issue which I think is why I never called my mom the devil or told her she's going to hell. I let her say that for herself.
And trust me, I'm hurt. I am so damaged and my daughter is paying for it. I expect way too much out of her. I forget to let her be a kid. She was practically born into Zion so they were the ones who taught me how to be a mom.
fromtheotherside wrote:
MM, my comments are the fruit of peoples comments here, if you don't admit people like Joshua are asking for a good slap in the face, then you guys need to get over yourselves.
Just as renita said it is against teachings of Mother to be mean or not to preach with love and humbles, but like I who act according to my feelings people aren't pushed to do anything. If some one stands in front of you insulting your parents are you gonna just stand I doubt it. Luckly this is just words and the internet for people like Joshua.
MM you have never been rude to me and I never in turn have said anything rude to you, see how that works!
I can definitely 2nd your comment about standing up for your parents. We see Joshua is standing up for his Father just like FTOS is standing up for his F&M. When you pluck a heart string, emotions can get the better of us. I know I nearly leaped over the table at school because I thought one of my classmates was about to call my daughter's painting weird. My heart started racing so fast! Lol.. He said, 'Well, that's weird.' I cut him off and said 'Are you about to say something stupid?' He was about to talk about a tree he saw in NY. Nothing about my baby's tree. But just the thought of him saying something mean about my baby influenced me to get ghetto. lol!
Simon wrote:
ftos mother says to be kind and loving even to those who persecute
she said in a sermon the mind of God isn't ever to get angry. if you stepped on God's foot God's mind would be to apologize for being in the way.
I was also told where while she was leading wmscog members and someone shoved her and she didn't even bat an eye
if these are true or not the wmscog teaching of the mind the children of God are to have isn't compatible with your behaviour.
even if Joshua were the biggest jerk ever your God wouldn't have you behave as such neither would his God.
Yes. You both need pow-pow.
renita.payno wrote:
Simon wrote:
ftos mother says to be kind and loving even to those who persecute
she said in a sermon the mind of God isn't ever to get angry. if you stepped on God's foot God's mind would be to apologize for being in the way.
I was also told where while she was leading wmscog members and someone shoved her and she didn't even bat an eye
if these are true or not the wmscog teaching of the mind the children of God are to have isn't compatible with your behaviour.
even if Joshua were the biggest jerk ever your God wouldn't have you behave as such neither would his God.
Yes. You both need pow-pow.
pow-pow?
Me-Me.. a whooping.. a switch to the behind. lol
FTOS, my family is in a lot of pain due to my relative's involvement in the wmscog. I do what I can to cope, but it is so hard, it is so painful.
I have modified my whole life and outlook to try to do things in the best way I can to minimize my relative's pain, now and in the future when he finds the church's teachings were wrong. I do not think he is going to take it well, and I worry about his state of mind when it is revealed that the things he learned are not true.
It is like the story in the Bible where the two women go to the king, both claiming to be the mother of the same child. The king says cut him down the middle and give half to each one. The false mother basically says "do it." But the true mother then says,"Give him to the other woman." The king then knows she is the real mother and awards the child to her. I believe the wmscog would rather see my relative (symbolically) cut in half than give him back to the people who love him, or do what is right and for his benefit.
He doesn't even seem to want to be there anymore, yet "has" to go, in his words. I'm sad he is in such a prison.
The WMSCOG calls that the mind of a slave verses the mind of a son.
wow something the same between us… first time for everything
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