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Wow, I just have a question for FTOS, or ANGELWING, or JIM, do you guys think this Deacon Mike is also lying like RON & DIANE.( that's what FTOS says that Ron & Diane are liars) Too many people saying similar things. Read on…..
victor February 15, 2013 2:15 AM
I actually wanted to cry watching this… Not because everything that Ron said happened to me, but because I know Ron and can see how much pain he is in. I Sat with him. I studied with him. I was a member of this church for about 10 months between 2010 and 2011 and was one of about 15 people in a group led by Ron or Missionary Ron as we called him. He was always so calm and gentle and soft spoken. Just like he is in the video… I always said I would remain there till things stopped adding up or my questions couldn’t be answered and it eventually got to that point. Indeed, Ron was one of the few who actually gave me the “later, we will study about that” response on one or two occassions to my questions. Or when i would ask why certain things were not told to me up front, they would use the example of someone who has been blind and taken outside the minute their site was restored; how bright the sun would be and how it will affect them instantly. For me, the major defining moment was when i confided in a deacon about the life struggles i had endured and how I was practically homeless at the time but was yet so thankful that i knew God and had the church… I told him this during a study session as a way of showing my Faith and how devoted I was. Less than 5 mins after i left, he had gone over to the Pastor and told him everything i said in confidence, who in turn called the “brother” that recruited me (my closest friend at the time) to confirm everything and ask that he (my friend) not bring me back to the church. Of course, he didn’t tell me himself (just like Ron said)… My friend was heart broken and fought for me to stay by having to convince the pastor that i was a “good brother”. Obviously, he was never supposed to tell me all of this but he did when i saw him about an hour later and he pleaded with me not to leave. But for me, something was broken. I wondered if how i could stay somewhere that deep down i knew i wasn’t wanted. I wondered if it was because of my social status at the time and what i couldn’t give financially. I stayed for a few months and even the deacon that had betrayed me came back to beg for my forgivness and take responsibility (with none going to the pastor). I soon started noticing other things including the fact that as far as i could see, only Koreans were Pastors. When i asked a couple of “brothers”, they gave me responses like “why does it matter” or “the church started in Korea”…. Answers that made no sense to me. Anyway, i was never just a 100% comfortable there. I would preach to Jehovah’s witnesses and prove their teachings wrong, but was not 100% sure of mine and eventually just left. Thank you Ron, wherever you are
mike February 23, 2013 6:05 AM
hey victor, i was the deacon who you shared that info with about being homeless. I remember that day vividly and it hurts me still till this day because your were open enough with me to share something very private as we shared a moment. I just want to say sorry again and that my actions were really an extension of the church’s influence since we were repeatedly warned about homeless people having wrong intentions in the church. i saw your sincerity but at the time i was merely a drone solider trying to be faithful to a cause i felt strongly about. None the less i too am out of the church and trying to move on, I hope your writing is going well and that we can continue to share these things to began our healing process. God bless Victor.
T.H. February 25, 2013 3:07 PM
Mike, what finally brought you out of this group? Was it something that was said, something that was done, or a combination of the two? Please share your story with us.
it was a combination of experiences, but what culminated everything was there excuse of why Ahn had to write the book about there being no mother. They said a women sneaked a peaked into AHn’s bag and stole the most important truth of our church from God. That was my last straw, i couldn’t believe almighty God who foresaw the scheme of Satan and Died on the Cross intentionally to save me couldn’t foresee this women sneaking into his bag. And when i asked about it they said “well father was made perfectly human”. I guess saying that since he was in the flesh and couldn’t see it coming. Which is ridiculous because even though Jesus was limited in the flesh he was still all knowing and all Seeing. Also they had no biblical explanation for it either, It wasnt even a prophecy this women basically tricked God almighty and stole his truth. This brought my attention immediately to the first chapter of what we call ” The green book” (Mystery of God and the Spring of water of life) Ahn explains that he locked up the truth and appointed one man to reveal it just like King Nebuchadnezzar forgot his dream and GOd only revealed it to Daniel. We teach that Ahn Came as King David to unsealing the 7 thunders which ultimate through a lot of studies is God the Mother. We also said that if God sealed something God is the only one who can unseal it, So basically they would have me to believe to God almighty set up the GINORMOUS!!! prophecy and made a plan only to have a women ruin it? and its not even a prophecy that she would? I just couldn’t go for that, it was apparent that they hid this knowledge intentionally because it is problem and whats worst they had no biblical explanation for it. Cause several months ago when i was in the Church i would’ve believe that. If they tried to explain something biblical now it would be a year too late in my opinion. Plus I had been in the church for over 7 years and i knew about 2012 and was told and preached to about it. yet the church lied and denies that they ever taught that. Also IN 2006 the Church said 144,000 were already Gathered, this is contradicting because they are now saying 2012 is completion of the temple meaning 144,000 are Gathered. That didnt makes since as well and when asked i could get no answers on that. There are many other reason but what i know 4 sure is the church has definitely spinned stories and told lies. And i couldnt be apart of it anymore. for Years I rationalized things in the church myself to make it make since, now it is the churchs time to give proper answers. They have been failing to do so so far. ( this is in response to T.H.)
I agree with those that say this cult targets military as it has gotten ahold of my daughter and her husband-they have 2 daughters 1 and 4 years old. Can anyone tell me about what happens with the children while their parents are attending the meetings? Are the children being brainwashed or mistreated?
What happens depends on the age and what meetings you speak of and maybe zion to zion
What they do to children is horrible. Children are considered to be a hindorance to the gospel. They are forced to sit and remain quiet or suffer the wrath of the leaders in charge of the children. Forced to fast,pray,drop out of life [dont join any activities outside of the church] ask any child in the church and you will get the same answer [ we are waiting to die and go to heaven] its so sad watching the children suffer when the bible states they arent responsible until they come of age. yet parents are reminded through sermons that if the children are bad then the parents must be bad. Sorry have to go
I don't know where you got that last part, "if the children are bad the parents must be bad." I know we were taught if the guardians don't obey, then they're risking the child's salvation.
The good things the WMSCOG did in SW Zion [because it was so large] is after 1st service they let the kids change into play clothes, got a big bag of different balls and walked down to the park to let them run around and play. They do arts and crafts with the kids who weren't old enough to go to the park without their guardian. For the babies [any child not potty trained] they sang songs and watched movies and played games like the hokey pokey. For the high school children, they planned fun trips like camping or clean ups. Practiced for performances at upcoming picnics or service. They served the children 1st when it came time to eat.
There was a youth choir which had the high school students and the childrens choir which had everyone else. Anyone who was 5 and older sat in the main sanctuary. Everyone in the main sanctuary was expected to be quiet/make minimal noise during service. If the small children fell asleep, that was fine. Pretty much all the middle school children and older were expected to stay awake and pay attention during service. If the kids in the main sanctuary were rowdy, they were told to stand up for a couple minutes then sit down. If they were continually rowdy, the teacher would take the child into the hall and talk to him/her about the rowdiness. If it still continued, the child's guardian would be summoned to handle the problem.
In the children's sanctuary, the kids were expected to stay in their own chairs. These were the potty trained kids under 5. They were allowed to wiggle or talk quietly but once they started screaming, running around, etc. they would be punished by warnings, standing, going into the hall, or their guardian would be summoned. For the really rowdy children, the teacher would sometimes take them outside to walk around. Usually after they get to move about some they stay in their spot for a few minutes without being too disruptive. The childrens sanctuary was a seperate room that had a large window so they can view the entire sanctuary. There were speakers hooked up in the room so you could hear what was going on.
The mommy room was yet another seperate room for moms and infants only. The only exception of a dad being in that room is if he was a single father and a new member. The reason for that is because some moms nurse their babies and would feel very uncomfortable with a man being in the room while she was nursing. If you were in there during service, chances are you're missing the entire service because of all the babies crying or playing. It was a "sacrifice" of older members to take this duty so the new members can concentrate during service. There was a TV in the mommy room so they could see and hear what was going on in the main sanctuary.
I used to attend North Park Apostolic Church back when it had maybe 500 regular members. All that I described above was no different than what I experienced/witnessed at NPAC. Though other people may see it horrible to make a child sit quietly for about 40 min [the sitting portion is about 40 min. There's a time for singing and standing before and during service] I don't see it that way because I did it along with many other children and my daughter does it with few distractions. She's only 3. I will admit that just because you were raised a certain way that doesn't make it right. Like being raised a racist. But I don't think the things I described are bad independent of how I was raised.
I'm sorry for the stupid long post. =)
I wanted to get everything I could think of that would paint a well enough picture of how it was for children in SW Zion. In NW Zion it was different because it was so small.
Can anyone tell me what the children do while their parents are at the "church" services? Are the children also mind controlled as well?
tiredmom wrote:
Can anyone tell me what the children do while their parents are at the "church" services? Are the children also mind controlled as well?
Are you serious….?? I just did…
Renita.payno,
I aologize as it seems my computer and phone are not communicating. Thank you for the info.
tiredmom wrote:
Renita.payno,
I aologize as it seems my computer and phone are not communicating. Thank you for the info.
Alrighty =) I know it's long but that's what's going on.
Is anyone familiar with wmscog in San Diego, California or Jacksonville, Fla?
tiredmom wrote:
Is anyone familiar with wmscog in San Diego, California or Jacksonville, Fla?
When I say SW Zion, I'm talking about San Diego.
KF, these are phenomenal videos. The message is so simple and clear…. Thanks to the creator.
You know they are simple and clear if even I can understand them
KF wrote:
tears of a sinner with regret! March 18, 2013 5:56 PM
I gave 12 years of my life as a member, my kids were raised in the Church.
I’m angry, sad, hurt, mad, i feel like I deceived my kids by misleading all of them. I wanted to do what was right as a citizen and a child of god. now who is the creator? An be a good example. Instead Ive lost 12 good years and now I have nothing to show. I gave my time, money, sacrifice, jobs.
So what do I do now where do I turn now? I need to know more; is there a law suite going on? I heard about a movement this is my life! my kids life. when I don’t wanna say father n mother I still say it. I told my oldest son yesterday this truth and he was heart broken. I find myself crying feeling embarrass, this is messing with me mentally and emotionally. Do you have a therapist for me? 12 years I cant talk to no one cause I feel like a straight fool. I believed in Elohim. A false god idolatry
Thank Diane and Ron I love you….
Phew…. Where do we begin. I'm so sorry this is happening to too many ex-members. So sad.
KF wrote:
No Sarah this is not me lol, i have not given 12yrs of my life, i am not a member, I don't have any kids, i'm a kid myself lol, this is from the home page and this thread is for xmembers post. I wanted you guys to advise her, comfort her, and share her pain. I feel so sad for her. She didn't deserve this.
Yes, I caught on and have changed my response to fit better. Lol.
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