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In a previous posting I asked the question, "Where are the miracles of Ahn and Zahng?" I got vague answers at best. See for yourself! My God (The one true God) spoke stars into existance. The small miracles of my God are rechorded is the Bible and throughout history. I call them small because I cannot truly grasp the things that God has done and continues to do. They're too big for my imagination to comprehend. My God created the Heavens and the Earth and he still remembers my name, my likes and dislikes, even the number of hairs I have on my head. He placed the Earth exactly where it needs to be in order for the Sun which he created ot keep us warm but not to burn us away. We are far enough away not to burn up but close enough to stay warm and not freeze like an ice cube. My God creats strength out of weekness and bring triumph out of dispair. He causes the lame to walk and the blind to see! He saves mens souls! Ahn and Zahng have exactly nothing when it comes to my God. Ahn has passed away and Zahng constantly shows how much of a god she is not. Everyday she hears less of the poor souls that believe her to be something more than human. Even with her man made hearing aides she is becoming more deaf to the cries of the people. She cannot even call people by name! One of these days she will be no more and even with the truth of her humanity revealed the destruction of souls left behind will be great. God wants that none should perrish but the WMS continues to pick and choose those that they feel are desireable and worthy. This fact alone should show everybody just how fake this group is. My God also will not be mocked! The WMS is no different than the Moonies believeing that god walks among them. Moon died just as Zahng will pass away. Will the followers of Moon come into the light of truth? Will the follower of the WMS? Some will remain in bondage clinging to any reason that will be made up for them no matter how irrational. Don't be one of those! My God is huge and is not limited in the things he can do. His ways are mysterious and anyone who acts like they can figure God out is in fact delusional.
logic has nothing to do with beliefs.
Hot or cold is just a comparison and not a standard temperature wise.
Not tithing might not prove if Zhang is God or not but it will give an idea of how the Koreans feel about the cash flow. I say Koreans because they seem to be in charge of all the important stuff like tithes, attendence, the entire church, etc. First of all, no one should question whether or not you're paying tithes because they would only realize you weren't paying 1. if they were watching you during offering to see which envelopes you put in or 2. you finally decide to put in your offering and they see no one has notated your tithes for some time.
or if they are the one who is the one who notes it. but again even if they judge you that only proves they are a sinner. who isn’t?
My point is this, either people who believe Jesus is Lord believe He is or He isn’t. To believe Zhang and Jesus is Lord inadvertently, displays a lukewarm disposition. There is a difference between a sinner who believes Jesus is Lord and a sinner who does not believe Jesus is Lord. Remember, this site is bible based, wherefore, our debate here is about what we may believe is accurate as far as the Bible is concerned. For that reason, Wmscog is the reason this site was born. If Zhang or Ahang is who you believe to be Lord (father and or mother), then accept your beliefs 100 percent. If you, however, believe it is Jesus that is Lord today , then accept that method of thinking 100 percent. Don’t straddle the fence, as it appears lukewarm instead of hot or cold. My comment has nothing to do with who is right or who is wrong but where one stands.
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or if they are the one who is the one who notes it. but again even if they judge you that only proves they are a sinner. who isn't?
No, it helps to see what intentions they have. I was watching Pretty Little Liars and this girl needed to get money for her mom. A mystery person named A promised her $100 each time she danced with a particular boy. So she danced with him, leaving her boyfriend on the sidelines. When the boyfriend was getting anxious and wanted to dance with his date, she insisted that she keep dancing with the other boy. The A sends her a text raising the amount to $500. She left her boyfriend again and went to dance with the boy. When her boyfriend interviened* again, she insisted she needed to dance with the boy without explaining why to her boyfriend. Her boyfriend threatened to break up with her, though it hurt her, she decided to keep dancing with the boy. The last dance was worth $1000 and she danced with the boy the whole night. Now, what if that boy had insisted he didn't want to dance with her, what would she do? She would probably pressure him to dance. Probably beg or make promises that she normally wouldn't because of her intentions of getting money that her mom really needed. What if the money had not been promised by A? Well, she had no plans of dancing with that other boy at all. It wasn't until A promised her money that she decided to leave her relationship with the boy she loved for years to dance with the other boy.
When I stopped paying tithes, no one questioned me. When I resumed paying tithes, no one questioned me. But then again, I went to a large Zion. It probably wasn't noticed when the money was counted on Sabbath. But in a small Zion like a house Zion it would definitely be noticed. Because I don't think the WMSCOG is after money, I don't think they would kick out a member for not paying tithes.
Ok, that makes more sense. There's even a verse about being luke warm.
Yes there are verses of scripture on that. I’m either a Buddhist or I’m not. I’m either Muslim or I’m not. I’m either for Jesus today or I’m not. I’m either a satanist or I’m not. It makes things a whole lot easier if we stick to whatever it is we believe. Most religion believe in the act of love. So who is who, is the question. You will either pray in the name of Jesus or you won’t. You can’t pray in the name of Buddha, Mohammed, Zhang and ahng, or even Jesus all at once. You will be contradictory. Choose one, this way we know who you believe. However, if you are not sure who to choose then make it clear – simple.
For the wmscog it is not so simple. As far as I know they worship Ahn and Zahng. But when talking to others, they try to use the word "Christ". We identify Jesus as Christ but for them the current Christ is Ahn. They will even say "Jesus" sometimes but they don't see a contradiction in that because they believe Jesus was and now Ahn is the same person who was Jesus 2000 years ago.
We have been trying to ask them to spell out what are the laws of Christ and they become silent on that subject. This is probably because they mean Ahn's laws and know that there is nothing in the bible to support this. Just their own books.
Joshua I haven’t heard from you r u willing to accept my olive branch n treat eachother respectfully? No more profaning but to express our views cleanly n respectfully like grownups?
They must admit to one – period. In whose name do they pray? That ought to confirm their beliefs irrespective of the utterance of Jesus from time to time.
Renita, they are about the money. Too much evidence to say they aren't. Maybe if someone doesn't have a lot they don't go after them, but they milk someone they think is a cash cow. And they guard them like a possession, too. Step right in the middle of a marriage and try to pull strings if there is a non-member spouse. That just isn't right. What God has joined together let no man put asunder. Even Pastors who want more cash.
Mountain mom, the sad thing is this: most people are moved emotionally and not spiritually. If moved spiritually, one will certainly see the truth. Living in a world of freedom of speech often causes one to miss the obvious. Whatever the motive is for Wmscog, it will be brought to light. I believe what I believe and not the least confused. I just wish more people will stick to what they believe, whether they be agnostic or atheist.
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again it would only reveal intentions of the sinner who judges you. and only in theory if they truly believe tithe is important they’d bring it up if they are greedy they will bring it up.
Hello FTOS brother. Still awaiting your response in the Sunday/Sabbath thread and the Daniel thread.
FTOS, also waiting for your response as to why my relative says he "has to go" if attendance isn't considered compulsory. I really want to hear your side, as I have my own ideas, from what my relative has been told. It involves manipulating him with guilt and fear. It involves him being told he will have an accident or become sick if he doesn't attend. Is this true or not? Are people told all sorts of bad things will happen if they don't attend Sabbath or Passover? I really want to hear what you have to say on this. I know you will give me the best answer you can. Please do it soon.
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For the wmscog it is not so simple. As far as I know they worship Ahn and Zahng. But when talking to others, they try to use the word "Christ". We identify Jesus as Christ but for them the current Christ is Ahn. They will even say "Jesus" sometimes but they don't see a contradiction in that because they believe Jesus was and now Ahn is the same person who was Jesus 2000 years ago.
We have been trying to ask them to spell out what are the laws of Christ and they become silent on that subject. This is probably because they mean Ahn's laws and know that there is nothing in the bible to support this. Just their own books.
From my understanding, the current Christ is Mother. From what the WMSCOG teaches, Christ means God in flesh. Mother is God in flesh. I guess She's the 3rd coming Christ since She came after ASH.
Wow!
well Christ=God in flesh as saviour according to them yep
Yea, the current Christ is fulfilling the verse in Rev about Jerusalem coming down from Heaven.
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