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In a previous posting I asked the question, "Where are the miracles of Ahn and Zahng?" I got vague answers at best. See for yourself! My God (The one true God) spoke stars into existance. The small miracles of my God are rechorded is the Bible and throughout history. I call them small because I cannot truly grasp the things that God has done and continues to do. They're too big for my imagination to comprehend. My God created the Heavens and the Earth and he still remembers my name, my likes and dislikes, even the number of hairs I have on my head. He placed the Earth exactly where it needs to be in order for the Sun which he created ot keep us warm but not to burn us away. We are far enough away not to burn up but close enough to stay warm and not freeze like an ice cube. My God creats strength out of weekness and bring triumph out of dispair. He causes the lame to walk and the blind to see! He saves mens souls! Ahn and Zahng have exactly nothing when it comes to my God. Ahn has passed away and Zahng constantly shows how much of a god she is not. Everyday she hears less of the poor souls that believe her to be something more than human. Even with her man made hearing aides she is becoming more deaf to the cries of the people. She cannot even call people by name! One of these days she will be no more and even with the truth of her humanity revealed the destruction of souls left behind will be great. God wants that none should perrish but the WMS continues to pick and choose those that they feel are desireable and worthy. This fact alone should show everybody just how fake this group is. My God also will not be mocked! The WMS is no different than the Moonies believeing that god walks among them. Moon died just as Zahng will pass away. Will the followers of Moon come into the light of truth? Will the follower of the WMS? Some will remain in bondage clinging to any reason that will be made up for them no matter how irrational. Don't be one of those! My God is huge and is not limited in the things he can do. His ways are mysterious and anyone who acts like they can figure God out is in fact delusional.
But FTOS, this is one of the main churches that he is in. And his pastor is one of the big shots. His pastor trains people and they get their info directly from him, as he infers that "God" calls him on the telephone quite often, so anything from him is directly from "Her." Also, I am finding that there are similarities with my relative's story in other churches as well. I have spent a lot of time on this researching and talking personally to people all over this country. I look at internet sites, yes, but that is not all I do. I've met personally with many peole, and talked on the phone to others, as well as looking at several web sites. I also look on the church's website. I've really done my homework.
I am not doubting that you are taught to treat people with love in your church, and that you try. (You are losing your temper here though, as many do when non-members disagree, and that defeats your purpose) I am just saying that even the "elect" can be deceived, and you were. I am sorry. I am speaking from the heart. I love my relative who is in there, and because I love him, I want him out of there before more damage is done. They "love bomb" him, but they don't love him.
fromtheotherside wrote:
renita if I was there i would have rebuked your group leader is that who you r talking about. mother says to feed physically everyone. father and mother used to give their food to members when the church had a hard time long ago. mother would never condone that. Whoever she is needs to step down she has no right to lead anyone. in korea mother says before u even try to feed people spiritually feed them physically first. that food at zion doesnot belong to anyone and no one has the right to say who can eat who cant.
That would be lovely if that were true. But I was never more poorly fed in my life than when I was at Zion. That food was attrocious!
But I agree, if you are not fed well physically, then you can't be fed well spiritually. I was tired of going to services, sitting through hours of bible studies and going to preaching meetings hungry. I was tired of spending hours in the kitchen, helping to prepare food that I couldn't even eat. I was tired of donating $20 dollars each week towards food that I couldn't even eat, and then not having enough left over to buy myself food through the day. And then when I did have some money to go grab some fast food, people kept telling me, "But Sister, you shouldn't leave Zion, you should stay here. What if you get into a car accident, and can't make it back in time for service?" Talk about guilt-trip.
Also with trying to balance, work, school and Zion- how much time did I have left over for myself? If I needed to go to the grocery store to buy food and cook things to take with me. How much time did I have for that when I was constantly pressured to go preaching and be at Zion in whatever little free time that I had left?
And then when I did manage to cook something and bring my own food with me, they wouldn't even let me put it in the microwave. They would say, "Sister, you can't use the microwave during meal time because it will turn the power off and we need the power to serve the food." I was like WTH!!! But I didn't say anything, I was just thinking in my mind, "this is crazy." By the time I was able to use it- it was either time to get ready for service- or I was whisked away to bible study of some sort.
While I know that I can't always expect Zion or any other place to be 100% specific to my diet needs, they should at least allow me to provide my own food in those cases, and also not be so demanding of me.
I can't tell you how many days I survived on coffee, and coffee alone. That was not healthy!
In retrospect, I don't think I should have been made to feel like that, and deny taking care of my physical needs. Back then I was thinking, maybe "I was just being selfish, or a complainer, and I need to bear my cross and just suffer through it until I get to Heaven. Father and Mother didn't have enough to eat and I should be like them." People kept telling me, "Oh Sister you will be so blessed for it."
Well no I wasn't. I don't have anything to show for any of that. Now I know that it was all BS and nonsense. I need to take care of my physical needs! I am of no service to anyone if my physical needs aren't being cared for. I think in retrospect, God was trying to tell me to get the heck out of there! Take Care of myself!
That is probably one reason (of many) why I am no longer there anymore. They do say that food is the way to the heart.
And to any possible doubters out there, no I am not making this up. I'm sure everyone at Reseda Zion will know who I am now, because they know this is true. Sorry for my ranting just now, but FTOS's post hit a nerve beccause that was so not true of my experience. Had that been true, I might still actually be there. So maybe its a good thing that it wasn't. God has to speak to all of us in different ways.
Liberty wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
renita if I was there i would have rebuked your group leader is that who you r talking about. mother says to feed physically everyone. father and mother used to give their food to members when the church had a hard time long ago. mother would never condone that. Whoever she is needs to step down she has no right to lead anyone. in korea mother says before u even try to feed people spiritually feed them physically first. that food at zion doesnot belong to anyone and no one has the right to say who can eat who cant.
That would be lovely if that were true. But I was never more poorly fed in my life than when I was at Zion. That food was attrocious!
funny I never ate better before or since lol but since that isn't decided higher up but person who makes it to person who makes it maybe you got a bad zion for food
Chicago Zion had pretty crappy food, too, when I went there. Now though they seem to be going to the Mexican food, probably because they are trying to targeting some of the Hispanic population there! LOL!
Simon wrote:
Liberty wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
renita if I was there i would have rebuked your group leader is that who you r talking about. mother says to feed physically everyone. father and mother used to give their food to members when the church had a hard time long ago. mother would never condone that. Whoever she is needs to step down she has no right to lead anyone. in korea mother says before u even try to feed people spiritually feed them physically first. that food at zion doesnot belong to anyone and no one has the right to say who can eat who cant.
That would be lovely if that were true. But I was never more poorly fed in my life than when I was at Zion. That food was attrocious!
funny I never ate better before or since lol but since that isn't decided higher up but person who makes it to person who makes it maybe you got a bad zion for food
MountainMom wrote:
Chicago Zion had pretty crappy food, too, when I went there. Now though they seem to be going to the Mexican food, probably because they are trying to targeting some of the Hispanic population there! LOL!
Well I do admit that I am a picky eater, and what you like and/or don't like can be subjective. Most of the members said annoying things all the time like, "Oh Zion is the best food in the world," and "Zion food can't be bad because its God's food." But that is not true. It all depends on what ingredients are used and how its prepared. It has to be prepared well. And technically speaking, isn't all food God's food?
The Zion's I went to had Korean food 90% of the time. Or even if it was supposed to be American food, it seemed to prepared in a Korean-like way.
Unfortunately, I didn't like Zion Korean food. I found it to be either too spicy or too vinegarish-tasting. It seemed like they poured down an entire bottle of vinegar on whatever dish they were preparing. So it didn't matter what they made- it all tasted the same. Call me crazy, but I really think they put a chemical or something in the food. I wouldn't put it past them. It always had an aftertaste of some sort.
I would have liked a bit more variety to the food- instead of the same things on the menu being served over and over again.
My favorite days were the spaghetti days with dinner rolls, or the hamberger/hot dogs days with potato chips. It was always best when they just kept it simple- which I think you have to do with so many people. Those meals weren't often though. The best days were probably when they had the feast/potlucks and members brought in dishes. With so much variety, there was bound to be something I liked. However, as time went on, they started getting more and more controlling about who was allowed to prepare which dish and how it was prepared. And with that, the food seemed to decline. I volunteered many meal ideas and offered to prepare a meal on my own with my expenses- and was always denied.
Oh, but I do want to say- that I've been to some really good Korean restaurants before. The food in the Korean restuarants didn't seem to taste anything like the Zion food. Just a difference in preparation I suppose.
I like food in general of all sorts, but the stuff in the Chicago Zions were pretty bad! I'm with you on the food preferences, though, Liberty!
I’m very picky too probably luck of the draw lol
I helped cook in Zion a lot here they even made me special things without tomatoes or guacamole if they made stuff with it so it’s strange how different we had it. I really can’t figure it out I am always a statistical outlyer should be used to it I guess
fromtheotherside wrote:
renita if I was there i would have rebuked your group leader is that who you r talking about. mother says to feed physically everyone. father and mother used to give their food to members when the church had a hard time long ago. mother would never condone that. Whoever she is needs to step down she has no right to lead anyone. in korea mother says before u even try to feed people spiritually feed them physically first. that food at zion doesnot belong to anyone and no one has the right to say who can eat who cant. but i heard a lot about ny zion its members run most of it. if i was ther with u i would have pulled out a chair and told u to sit n eat or u cant leave n many churches would have u got stuck with a very strange group leader who does not know that there there to serve not to be served, preaching doesnt make u special its a privilage to preach gods word.
That's very comforting to read. It literally made me smile =)
Simon wrote:
for the record my tithes ranfrom a dime to 60 depending what I could do so I wonder what caused variance Zion to Zion
My tithes varied between $300 to $400 depending on which base I was stationed.
Simon wrote:
I helped cook in Zion a lot here they even made me special things without tomatoes or guacamole if they made stuff with it so it's strange how different we had it. I really can't figure it out I am always a statistical outlyer should be used to it I guess
The food in SW Zion was only ok. I think it's because we made the food on such a large scale. In NW Zion, the food was emaculate. But all the food there was made on a small scale, for maybe 50 people.
so much money
Smh….. Let everyone not give (offering or tithe) for a month – everyone, irrespective of your church, then we see who or what church sincerely is God inspired. Smh….. Food just satisfies the physical body which will eventually perish. However, the TRUE Word of God satisfies the spirit. And God is Spirit. I never cared much for Zion’s food (wmscog), though not bad. I only cared about the truth. Feeding me to prove a point only brings out the same reaction of the feeding of the 5,000 and when God rained down manna in the desert for the people he just delivered from Egypt. We are still going to be hungry tomorrow.
This discussion has gone off to discussing food in the zions. Let us get back to discussing God and the discrepancies that are posted on this website. Like the New Jerusalem book for instance.
I hope FTOS, you do not say this is an insult to your god. It isn't meant to be. Let us discuss issues.
Converse…..
the not tithing test is utterly ridiculous
Trust me, Simon, it isn’t ridiculous. You are lead to believe you will be condemned if you don’t. We are suppose to tithe, but my point is where we are tithing into.
it is ridiculous you can’t discern if zhang is God by the reaction of sinners. also if zhang is God (as they suppose) you’re advising sin totreat
One question, Simon: Are you hot or cold?
never sure which means which so can’t answer but doesn’t matter in relation to this topic
I see.
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