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In a previous posting I asked the question, "Where are the miracles of Ahn and Zahng?" I got vague answers at best. See for yourself! My God (The one true God) spoke stars into existance. The small miracles of my God are rechorded is the Bible and throughout history. I call them small because I cannot truly grasp the things that God has done and continues to do. They're too big for my imagination to comprehend. My God created the Heavens and the Earth and he still remembers my name, my likes and dislikes, even the number of hairs I have on my head. He placed the Earth exactly where it needs to be in order for the Sun which he created ot keep us warm but not to burn us away. We are far enough away not to burn up but close enough to stay warm and not freeze like an ice cube. My God creats strength out of weekness and bring triumph out of dispair. He causes the lame to walk and the blind to see! He saves mens souls! Ahn and Zahng have exactly nothing when it comes to my God. Ahn has passed away and Zahng constantly shows how much of a god she is not. Everyday she hears less of the poor souls that believe her to be something more than human. Even with her man made hearing aides she is becoming more deaf to the cries of the people. She cannot even call people by name! One of these days she will be no more and even with the truth of her humanity revealed the destruction of souls left behind will be great. God wants that none should perrish but the WMS continues to pick and choose those that they feel are desireable and worthy. This fact alone should show everybody just how fake this group is. My God also will not be mocked! The WMS is no different than the Moonies believeing that god walks among them. Moon died just as Zahng will pass away. Will the followers of Moon come into the light of truth? Will the follower of the WMS? Some will remain in bondage clinging to any reason that will be made up for them no matter how irrational. Don't be one of those! My God is huge and is not limited in the things he can do. His ways are mysterious and anyone who acts like they can figure God out is in fact delusional.
Joshua >My God didn't lift a single finger when He created everything. He open His mouth and stars are born. All this an He still is so involved with me that he knows my name and even the number of hairs that are on my head. What does Zahng do? Sits in Korea, smiles, says i love you, lets every sucker in her group provide for her. Your god the mother, what a small, weak, and pathetic god. She may as well be made out of wood or stone. Nothing but idol worship.
Joshua wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
Joshua your rants just make you more pathetic, LOLZ so delusional, please take your head out of your hole. I don't have to convince you that you worship a false sungod.
1 thess 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Your God is Satan your his child, Our God who created heaven and earth made you believe in Satan because your evil. Good day to you buddy.
Wow, snappy comeback! Not to mention it really makes me want to listen to you as well. How pathetic! You just can't stop yourself can you? I have seen right through your pathetic lies right from the start. I even encouraged you and asked people not to be so harsh with you. This is what I got in return. Your evil wicked tounge. You have brought NO truth to this forum and all you seem to want to do is argue and stir things up. How pathetic but I imagine that if I followed Satan like you do my life would be just as pathetic. Why are you so blind? After everything that we have shared with you the truth escapes you. You enjoy the lies so much. There is something very wrong with the WMSCOG! Open your eyes for once and stop being pathetic.
Joshua is the gas still getting to you? LOLz@johua. Comeback? Is this some childish game to you, like your pathetic life of pagan worship? How can I bring truth to this website its full of BS. Do you plant flowers next to piles of dog waste? So why would I bring truth to you? Grow up Joshua I guess the "disabillity" your wife told us about makes you want to compensate by acting like your a man over the internet! lOLz I'm through with you Joshua I'm gonna stop here before you make a further fool of yourself, I don't have time to waste playing your childish games.
Simon wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Yes, I know the way he's acting isn't what's taught at Zion. To be completely honest, you're taught to kill with kindness, not with rudeness. Remember the song 'Love is patient, Love is kind. It does not envy. It does not boast. It is not proud. It is not RUDE..'
Totallt accurate his actions here are NOT as "mother" teaches
Simon, Renita we are taught to PREACH with love, I'm not here to save or win any of you. If you expect kindness or respect then show it first, not that renita or you simon said anything disrespectful, I never saw you two make comments like Joshua. But because of people like Joshua WMSCOG spits on this website.
And because of the remarks you have made, people spit at the WMSCOG. I know better. I know there are kind people there with pure intentions because I befriended them. There are people like my family who do the same thing you're doing to anyone who claims to be a member of the WMSCOG without even looking to see who they're talking to.
As far preaching, one can preach without speaking. Just walking the path of God and acting the way God wants you to act is preaching. Jesus preached through His example and that's what I was taught in the WMSCOG. I was taught to walk like a child of God that other's may want to know why I'm smiling all the time, why I'm so nice and polite even to those who scorn me.
Even if you don't think that's preaching, you're still not behaving like you ought to. Father and Mother are probably ashamed of your actions, given they're God and know what you're doing right now.
But I'm not here to mother you. I'm just defending my friend. And where's the Admin? Why hasn't your domain been blocked with all this rule breaking?
renita.payno wrote:
And because of the remarks you have made, people spit at the WMSCOG. I know better. I know there are kind people there with pure intentions because I befriended them. There are people like my family who do the same thing you're doing to anyone who claims to be a member of the WMSCOG without even looking to see who they're talking to.
As far preaching, one can preach without speaking. Just walking the path of God and acting the way God wants you to act is preaching. Jesus preached through His example and that's what I was taught in the WMSCOG. I was taught to walk like a child of God that other's may want to know why I'm smiling all the time, why I'm so nice and polite even to those who scorn me.
Even if you don't think that's preaching, you're still not behaving like you ought to. Father and Mother are probably ashamed of your actions, given they're God and know what you're doing right now.
But I'm not here to mother you. I'm just defending my friend. And where's the Admin? Why hasn't your domain been blocked with all this rule breaking?
And Im not allowed DEFEND FATHER AND MOTHER and am I directing it to you, I even appoligized to you if my comments were rude towards you, but you talked to me respectfully see how I returned that to you, but not joshua? It's because you guys do this, that people come on this website and realize that you guys are defending yourselves not God or faith, but yourselves. They see that you guys do this for YOURSELVES, thats why people aren't believing this website they see that it's out of hatred not love for others or because you care, but as a downright smear campaign. Even though its like in the top ten ranking on Google search, which by the traffic you guys have you should be getting more results but your not! Y don't you think about that.
I know I'm here for myself. You can't help someone else until you can help yourself. And I have defended ASH amd Zhang and have gotten crap for it on this site even AFTER my exit from the WMSCOG. I even defended you in a comment you probably haven't read yet. I've even defended Jesus and Judaism. I'm not here because I believe in one thing. I'm here because I believe I was wronged. But I defend when there is a lack of respect. We all should respect one another no matter our differences. I don't care if you believe in F&M and I don't care if Joshua believes in Jesus. But I do care when you say something mean to him and when he says something mean to you. I don't care how many people click on this site. I'm not here to make quota. I'm here to understand Christianity and the WMSCOG, not to take sides.
I was told ALWAYS preach when I was a member and always be respectful and loving etc when not preaching verbaly because my actions preach (as Renita said)
renita.payno wrote:
I know I'm here for myself. You can't help someone else until you can help yourself. And I have defended ASH amd Zhang and have gotten crap for it on this site even AFTER my exit from the WMSCOG. I even defended you in a comment you probably haven't read yet. I've even defended Jesus and Judaism. I'm not here because I believe in one thing. I'm here because I believe I was wronged. But I defend when there is a lack of respect. We all should respect one another no matter our differences. I don't care if you believe in F&M and I don't care if Joshua believes in Jesus. But I do care when you say something mean to him and when he says something mean to you. I don't care how many people click on this site. I'm not here to make quota. I'm here to understand Christianity and the WMSCOG, not to take sides.
Way to go Renita.
If your here to find out then ask and conversate, but that's not what you guys do, you guys say derogatory things and thats it. And then make accusations with no solid physical evidence. Cash? thats all we want, where is your proof. If you bring me physical evidence to back it up, then you guys win. but without it, but all it becomes is a grudge.
FTOS, this site provides evidence for a lot of things that concerns the wmscog core beliefs. Why don't you dispute that evidence?
Changes in the green book, failed doomsday predictions, and most importantly, the Problems with the New jerusalem bride …. book written by ASH.
Just thinking we all need a reminder here:
Luke 6:27-36
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
By the way, about the "do to others as you would have them do to you" part– my kids wish that it said "if others are mean to you, you can be mean back" or "if others are mean to you it's because they are treating you the way they want to be treated, so be mean back" but that's not what Jesus said.
Thanks for posting the above verses, Genny. It is a wonderful reminder.
thank you for that reminder Genny, Your right, but for anyone I imagine they see red when someone attacks their loved ones or family, if the attacks are on me it wouldn't make me upset. Joshua I know that you can do better then that and I know God Still loves you and wants you. So let's stop and let's both grow up and treat eachother respectfully and eachothers loved ones. okay. Shake shake.
fromtheotherside wrote:
If your here to find out then ask and conversate, but that's not what you guys do, you guys say derogatory things and thats it. And then make accusations with no solid physical evidence. Cash? thats all we want, where is your proof. If you bring me physical evidence to back it up, then you guys win. but without it, but all it becomes is a grudge.
You're generalizing which is something you have expressed to greatly against. I have never said the WMSCOG only wants money. I did say that when I was in Zion they encouraged us to give what we can then give more. That's not an accusation, it's a fact. One that I can't prove because I wasn't recording every moment I had in Zion. If I had, you would hear my Missionary sit down my group and ask for a donation of what we can give then say she thinks we should give a minimum of $20 from each of us for ontribution to contruction for a different Zion. If it was less than $20 she didn't accept it. It might just be $20 to some but to most of us in that group, $20 was the difference between going to work or not; having dinner or not; having clean clothes or not.
And let me just express a little on when I gave out of the kindness of my heart and fear of what Father would think if I didn't. I organized my money around the WMSCOG because of the verse it's better to give than to receive. And I honestly thought F&M would take care of me. It really appeared to me that they did. I was paying my tithes and Anaya's tithes, my offering and Anaya's offering, my Zion offering and Anaya's Zion offering, cooking fees, and other spontaneous donations like to the contruction or for a picnic, etc. In SW Zion, it wasn't so hard because I lived 15 min away from Zion. If I didn't have gas, the trolley was only about a mile walk from Zion. But when I moved to NW Zion, keeping the same giving routine, it was very difficult because I lived about a 2 hour drive away from Zion. I took the ferry because it was less driving on me but cost a little bit more in the long run. In SW Zion, if I came to study and the members who went preaching were eating, my missionary would invite me to eat. But when I stopped giving offering because I didn't see any requirements in the Scripture and when I didn't go to Zion very often, she no longer invited me to eat but said to me that it was only for those who went preaching.
I gave my offering because I was told the money went to Zions who had less than we did. I paid my tithes because I heard that one of the offerings were used to pay the rent so I assumed it was tithes because it was the most of everyone's check. I also gave because I was afraid if I didn't, I would be sinning and Father wouldn't let me into heaven. My daughter suffered from it because I didn't take care of her like I could have if I would have just said no. I'm not blaming the WMSCOG for the debt I'm in because I believe 100% it was my decision to give. They hinted to me to give 'or else'. I'm not one to give into peer pressure very easily so I believe that I gave because I thought I needed to in order to go to heaven, not because my mind was controlled.
If you were to ask a very close friend of mine who no longer attends, she would tell you the exact opposite. We were baptized together and they never told her to pay tithes or to give offerings or donations. I haven't read the taxes page or anything and don't want to. It all looks like gibberish to me. I don't understand it. But from my experience, it didn't appear that they were trying to take money away from me [except for the part of my daughter's offering and tithes]. It looked to me that they needed it. SW Zion is very flashy compared to the other Zions I've been to. It looks like they're putting the money into the church just like they said they would.
ihave been patient at times with this site but it continually attacks god so as gods son i tried to overlook small father and mother. But instead of saying remarks about me you insisted on attacking God. with very derogatory words. if this site wants to bring to light discreptencies thats fine but when you start insulting then its hard to forgive. so as long as you keep it to just conversations about discreptancies then i think We wont have problems but as soon as you make an insult to god the mother or father then I wont be held responcable to what happens. r u willing to change and this means everybody one person does it then i leave u in gods hands.
renita if I was there i would have rebuked your group leader is that who you r talking about. mother says to feed physically everyone. father and mother used to give their food to members when the church had a hard time long ago. mother would never condone that. Whoever she is needs to step down she has no right to lead anyone. in korea mother says before u even try to feed people spiritually feed them physically first. that food at zion doesnot belong to anyone and no one has the right to say who can eat who cant. but i heard a lot about ny zion its members run most of it. if i was ther with u i would have pulled out a chair and told u to sit n eat or u cant leave n many churches would have u got stuck with a very strange group leader who does not know that there there to serve not to be served, preaching doesnt make u special its a privilage to preach gods word.
you give when u feel compelled to. no one should make u and they should not treat u differentlybecause u dont. if u come to church then u r a sister if give offerings or not it dont matter u r a sister i would havedeffinitly rebuke her
I agree FTOS, people should not treat you differently for not giving. Yet my relative was. He tried to pull back on his amount of giving, although he still gave a very substantial amount. No way would they have it. All kinds of calls, texts, visits, and then a secret meeting with the pastor. They were all over him. He had to go back to his former amount. Apparently this was very very very important. More so than his faith, preaching, and works(of which he did a ton)more so than his immaculate attendance, never missing, etc. This "religion" is about money, not love.
I am not saying this to anger you or drive you away. I am saying it because this is exactly what happened. It is the truth. And it is only a small part of what happened in his case.
for the record my tithes ranfrom a dime to 60 depending what I could do so I wonder what caused variance Zion to Zion
im agreeing with u MM but Like i expressed this not a wrong from the whole, mosf of our church thinks like i do
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