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There has been a bit of a debate regarding the celebration of Christmas and it's origin. I have read many post regarding this celebration and it's origin. So now, here is my question, if Christmas is a pagan celebration or the like as some claim, then does that make the worship of a proven false god(s) ok? Here is why that particular debate holds no water compared to wmscog's doctrine and claim:
1. Christmas is a pagan holiday
2. Sunday is sun-god worship
3. Zahng Gil Jah is god – mother god. who is the bride of God, which makes her a second god aside from God himself. There are no real scripture supporting this idea or belief either except the one given as support by Wmscog Gal. 4:26, of which, by the way, is incorrect.
4. Ahnsanghong is the Holy Spirit/God. He left behind earthly children and his tombstone makes reference to that. He came from unbelieving parents originally. So God almighty, of all he could have chosen to be born into, he chose that which he is against. His books and the teaching of Wmscog have so many inconsistencies and descrepancies – the teaching of Wmscog and the teaching of Ahng are not in accordance.
5. Zahng Gil Jah, by the way does not move about the country. When was the last time she came to United States to spread the gospel of her son or her husband. Is she the bride of her husband or son.
6. Jesus only made mention of a father and not a mother.
Confusion! Confusion! Confusion! How can Christmas or sunday worship be bigger than the above?
I say that to say in very simple and plain English, If you want to keep at Christmas being a pagan holiday then for crying out loud. Keep your hands clean from sin. All of the above raises eyebrows but tell me, which do you think is really a problem, Christmas? Sunday worship? You got to be kidding me. If this is what Wmscog wants to hold onto, then you sincerely do not understand the God of the universe. To mimic him falsely is a serious sin.
at any rate your words prove my point! All things not of the bible were created by the devil. All traditions have roots in paganry or idolatry.
man made traditions, as apostle paul says. can only lead to one thing.
yes amen, thanks for backing me up with that verse. It clearly shows how this world is in a dark shadow, and everyone is led astray.
I see double think in this thread
fromtheotherside wrote:
at any rate your words prove my point! All things not of the bible were created by the devil. All traditions have roots in paganry or idolatry.
like the wheel? the sandwich? and how about your videos? I don't see any of those mentioned in the bible. Ok the wheel, perhaps may be indirectly mentioned but not how it is made.
Lets not try to make the bible into a history book or a all-in-all manual because it isn't. It is the Word of God yes but that doesn't mean I can't do anything unless it is in the bible. In fact you have often used the argument that it doesn't say it isn't so it must be OK. Now that is a double standard.
About Sarh2013's 2 Cor 4:4, you claimed that the god of this world was Father and Mother. So you say "Yes amen" and agree with Sarah2013. If you put your own words together you will yourself reach the correct conclusion.
Not sure how your comment related to mine Sarah
fromtheotherside wrote:
at any rate your words prove my point! All things not of the bible were created by the devil. All traditions have roots in paganry or idolatry.
fromtheotherside wrote:
man made traditions, as apostle paul says. can only lead to one thing.
So then Ascension day is man made! (the celebration of it by the WMS) not the actual situation that took place 2,000 yrs ago.
They get it out of the bible
I know the bible speaks of how Jesus ascended, but it does not imply that we need to celebrate it, but the WMS celebrates it, so my question is why is that allowed and not considered a pagan traditon, like birthdays, thanksgiving, x-mas, new years, etc.
If you add or change something from the bible, it is not from God, and don't tell me because they have god in the flesh, that's invalid, the bible is written from begining to end, it was not meant to be edited in the last days, not even by God himself, because everything he says is TRUTHFUL!
fromtheotherside wrote:
To put it in another light, worshiping God on sunday is not bad. But the reason why it turns bad is because you don't keep the true day sabbath at all. It's like driving without a license. Having a car and driving it is not bad, as long as you have the license. But when you drive without even having one then it is bad. We follow the truths so God said they can do it. That's all the excuse we need! ^^
I believe your license expired 2000 years ago and you insist on using the expired license.
Simon wrote:
They get it out of the bible
Sorry I'm lost. I thought Kim was refering to the supposed ascension of ahn not the one in the bible. My bad?
Dec. 25 – Birthday of Mithra the Sun God
Dec. 25 – Birthday of Tammuz the Sun God
Dec. 25 – Birthday of Nimrod the "Sun God" reincarnated into a King
Dec. 25 – Festival of Baal the Sun God via cult Sol Invictus
Dec. 25 – Festival of Yule for the Norse Gods via decorating the Yule-Tree
Dec. 25 – Ritual of Mistletoe hung for Gods Frigga and Baldur
Dec. 25 – Ritual of Wreaths hung for long life in Jol (now "Yule")
Dec. 25 – Holiday feast of Saturnalia (formerly dec. 14-24th)
Dec. 25 – Holiday presents and toys of Sigillaria (formerly dec. 30-31)
Dec. 25 – Holiday Brumalia's final day
Dec. 25 – Not the Birthday of Jesus
Dec. 25 – Not a Holy Day of God
Dec. 25 – Not repeated by the apostles
Dec. 25 – Not repeated by any first generation disciples.
Dec. 25 – Not commanded by Jesus.
Dec. 25 – Not repeated after the Wise Men arrived late in the year to an already born Jesus and gave their gifts. That was it, the whole thing was a one time event to fulfill prophecies.
Disagreeing with us does not vindicate sunday worship or Christmas worship or the blatantly man-decreed "new day" of easter. Which in and of itself, is also a pagan holy day. Especially that whole painting eggs part and worshipping a bunny. That was exactly the ritual used to promote fetility from the Goddess.
Disagreeing with us should not be an excuse to ignore all other facts in Christ.
This forum tries to say that we are wrong about everything ever, and never have any truthful or insightful teachings. No matter how much we present evidence to our logic.
It plainly shows this forum's Bias, it plainly shows an unwillingness to learn.
It plainly shows that no matter how faithfully we argue our own cause, you do not want our freedom of religion to be repected.
You do not want us to be happy abstaining form Christmas, you want to hold the love of our families hostage in arguments about how we are wrong. Do you think we don't already know this? That we don't regret having to choose between the will of God and Pagan holy days?
Yet it is written:
Luke 14:26
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple."
Because it becomes obvious that there do exist some situations where maybe you have to pick between God and physical family.
fromtheotherside wrote:
I said christmas, I don't think I said Christian, if I did I made a mistake.
Yes, sorry, my typo. How is "Christmas" a pagan word? (Or maybe you already answered… I haven't finished reading all the responses yet.)
Sarah2013
"Are not some of your "Zions" former general Christian churches as your organization calls them?"
No, none of them are. All people in the WMS are converts into Christ under Father and Mother and all our Zions are repurposed or rebuilt or built from scratch for ourselves.
"Are the crosses and so on not removed before it becomes a zion?"
No, they are removed. Nobody celebrates Christmas either.
"takes pagan properties, shines it to taste ,putting a zion sign on it and walks on assuming it is now clean?"
I'd call that shifting the goalposts, I refuse to adress tangential topics until you can defend Christmas here given all those pagan examples.
Further until you can identify the beast, I see absolutely zero point in listening to your warnings about who is right or wrong, because clearly you have yet to identify the patron nation of the beast and its doctrines, which is extremely relevant to Christmas.
"The grounds then are still poluted."
What the heck are you babbling about? Are you saying there is some kind of voodoo-energy from the pagans we have to "cleanse" or address? Because we don't believe in the power of anything pagan or anything of Babylon Churches.
"has two people unrelated to the Bible that you insist are gods."
You keep diverting attention away from defending Christmas, the original point of this thread. I'd be glad to address more complex matters after we can understand a simple one clearly.
Sarah2013
Here is how this forum fools its followers, it shifts the goalposts and brings up controversial arguments to distract from the extremely relevent evidence posted in opposition to the original topic of the thread.
They do a few research, grab a few things from the bible, then start blending with the Bible. They create a distraction ("No I don't want to identify the beast or the truth, prove Ahn-Sahng-Hong first!"), while its listeners are completely blinded by that distraction to the real truth. (Let anyone who preaches a different gospel be eternally condemned.)
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