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There has been a bit of a debate regarding the celebration of Christmas and it's origin. I have read many post regarding this celebration and it's origin. So now, here is my question, if Christmas is a pagan celebration or the like as some claim, then does that make the worship of a proven false god(s) ok? Here is why that particular debate holds no water compared to wmscog's doctrine and claim:
1. Christmas is a pagan holiday
2. Sunday is sun-god worship
3. Zahng Gil Jah is god – mother god. who is the bride of God, which makes her a second god aside from God himself. There are no real scripture supporting this idea or belief either except the one given as support by Wmscog Gal. 4:26, of which, by the way, is incorrect.
4. Ahnsanghong is the Holy Spirit/God. He left behind earthly children and his tombstone makes reference to that. He came from unbelieving parents originally. So God almighty, of all he could have chosen to be born into, he chose that which he is against. His books and the teaching of Wmscog have so many inconsistencies and descrepancies – the teaching of Wmscog and the teaching of Ahng are not in accordance.
5. Zahng Gil Jah, by the way does not move about the country. When was the last time she came to United States to spread the gospel of her son or her husband. Is she the bride of her husband or son.
6. Jesus only made mention of a father and not a mother.
Confusion! Confusion! Confusion! How can Christmas or sunday worship be bigger than the above?
I say that to say in very simple and plain English, If you want to keep at Christmas being a pagan holiday then for crying out loud. Keep your hands clean from sin. All of the above raises eyebrows but tell me, which do you think is really a problem, Christmas? Sunday worship? You got to be kidding me. If this is what Wmscog wants to hold onto, then you sincerely do not understand the God of the universe. To mimic him falsely is a serious sin.
fromtheotherside wrote:
I didn't say that MM did, I was just clearing up the point that we don't celebrate birthdays in every chruch of God as she stated.
Oh wow. Put it on MM. Ignore what she was tring to say. Her point is that you people have different yardstick to measure yourselves and others. Exactly the kind of us v/s them that Questioninginla has been harping upon.
You point a finger at others because they celebrate events that are not mentioned in the bible. Yet, you find nothing wrong when you guys do the same. That is MM's point. Even if you defend this saying it happens only in America, you still have to answer Kim.
fromtheotherside wrote:
It's pagan because it's not in the bible, it was made falsely as a celebration that should not exist. Also Emil to bring up a fact that not all things are listed in the bible, so therefore it is okay, then who is the one to say what is okay and what is not. Again there is a gospel the Apostles preached and there are things that they would condemn, then if you use that argument there is no end to what we can do and what we cannot do.
You said the word "Christian" is pagan. I asked you to explain how you think the word "Christian" is pagan.
Thanks MM for bringing it up because it shows how you don't know much of anything and profess that you do. First Birthdays are not celebrated in all churches. Especially in Korea. No church does that. But there you go again without any knowledge saying COG celebrates birthdays. It was only allowed because americans enjoy it. But to answer your question, yes we allowed it because we follow the one true God. It's like with the sabbath day. To put it in another light, worshiping God on sunday is not bad. But the reason why it turns bad is because you don't keep the true day sabbath at all. It's like driving without a license. Having a car and driving it is not bad, as long as you have the license. But when you drive without even having one then it is bad. We follow the truths so God said they can do it. That's all the excuse we need! ^^
You do not celebrate Christmas because you think it has pagan origins. You don't allow them in any of the wmscog congregations. Birthday celebrations can be shown to be of pagan origins too, yet they are allowed in some wmscog congregations because the people enjoy it?
I said christmas, I don't think I said Christian, if I did I made a mistake.
genny wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
It's pagan because it's not in the bible, it was made falsely as a celebration that should not exist. Also Emil to bring up a fact that not all things are listed in the bible, so therefore it is okay, then who is the one to say what is okay and what is not. Again there is a gospel the Apostles preached and there are things that they would condemn, then if you use that argument there is no end to what we can do and what we cannot do.
You said the word "Christian" is pagan. I asked you to explain how you think the word "Christian" is pagan.
Thanks MM for bringing it up because it shows how you don't know much of anything and profess that you do. First Birthdays are not celebrated in all churches. Especially in Korea. No church does that. But there you go again without any knowledge saying COG celebrates birthdays. It was only allowed because americans enjoy it. But to answer your question, yes we allowed it because we follow the one true God. It's like with the sabbath day. To put it in another light, worshiping God on sunday is not bad. But the reason why it turns bad is because you don't keep the true day sabbath at all. It's like driving without a license. Having a car and driving it is not bad, as long as you have the license. But when you drive without even having one then it is bad. We follow the truths so God said they can do it. That's all the excuse we need! ^^
You do not celebrate Christmas because you think it has pagan origins. You don't allow them in any of the wmscog congregations. Birthday celebrations can be shown to be of pagan origins too, yet they are allowed in some wmscog congregations because the people enjoy it?
I think people on both sides forget the difference between pagans doing something and something being pagan
Yes Simon good point. Just because a pagan likes to play Golf does not mean it is pagan. Now if Golf was created to please the Goddes Golfess and to give her glory then it is a pagan sport.
fromtheotherside wrote:
I said christmas, I don't think I said Christian, if I did I made a mistake.
And I asked you to show us on what basis you say that.
fromtheotherside wrote:
genny wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
It's pagan because it's not in the bible, it was made falsely as a celebration that should not exist. Also Emil to bring up a fact that not all things are listed in the bible, so therefore it is okay, then who is the one to say what is okay and what is not. Again there is a gospel the Apostles preached and there are things that they would condemn, then if you use that argument there is no end to what we can do and what we cannot do.
You said the word "Christian" is pagan. I asked you to explain how you think the word "Christian" is pagan.
Thanks MM for bringing it up because it shows how you don't know much of anything and profess that you do. First Birthdays are not celebrated in all churches. Especially in Korea. No church does that. But there you go again without any knowledge saying COG celebrates birthdays. It was only allowed because americans enjoy it. But to answer your question, yes we allowed it because we follow the one true God. It's like with the sabbath day. To put it in another light, worshiping God on sunday is not bad. But the reason why it turns bad is because you don't keep the true day sabbath at all. It's like driving without a license. Having a car and driving it is not bad, as long as you have the license. But when you drive without even having one then it is bad. We follow the truths so God said they can do it. That's all the excuse we need! ^^
You do not celebrate Christmas because you think it has pagan origins. You don't allow them in any of the wmscog congregations. Birthday celebrations can be shown to be of pagan origins too, yet they are allowed in some wmscog congregations because the people enjoy it?
Read it again, stop making me repeat myself.
Pagans, and yes celebrating the birth of Christ is not bad, But to if I were to take haloween and then change the name to christoween, and dress up like christ and go out and say curse or bless, then yes it is not good.
FTOS, take it from me, I have no intention of ever doing what you have just said.
Just taking up from where Sarah2013 left off. This is not my justification but a bit more about culture and tradition. We celebrate the birth of Jesus. What did he come as? An infant. Not sure what you guys do elsewhere, but here in urban India, when it is a child's birthday, we have a children's party. We have decorations and the child gets gifts and all the little guests get what has come to be known as "return gifts"
Since we are celebrating baby Jesus, it is only proper that the celebration focusses on the kids and their entertainment.
The whole world is led astray! -Rev. Look at the attrocities that happen in the house of the Lord, they turn their backs to me and worship the sun.-OT. The whole world is a pretty wide statement. Then how is the world led astray? By manmade traditions- NT. All traditions has roots in Pagan worship and idolatry. Even celebrating a birthday. Things may have evolved to fit our current civilization and it's thoughts, but the root of it is darkness.
Sarah2013 wrote:
fromtheotherside wrote:
Pagans, and yes celebrating the birth of Christ is not bad, But to if I were to take haloween and then change the name to christoween, and dress up like christ and go out and say curse or bless, then yes it is not good.
Ok. From your answer can't you see it is our minds that stains us? I want your honest answer here, Ftos, who is the god of this world? Seriously..
Creator God, Elohim, Father and Mother, you are blinded, try to see the light.
No satan is not the God of this world but the prince, Ruler, but there is a creator who is God.
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