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All members of the wmscog are taught not to pray in the name of Jesus. To outsiders it seems strange. Why wouldn’t we pray in the name of Jesus, especially when the wmscog acknowledges John 16:24 “Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.”
Anyhow, on the suggestion of another former member I am trying it get back into reading the bible. It’s been very difficult to read without thinking of all the bible studies I learned & taught while being a member. I came across some verses that gave me a lot to think about.
John 5: 21-24 “For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.”
First off…the wmscog doesn’t honor the son, Jesus. So according to the testimony of Jesus they do not honor God, the Father. Clear evidence that they are leading the members to destruction! I praised Jesus before going to that place and I have restarted praising Jesus since I left.
Verse 24 confirmed to me I made the right choice to leave that group. The wmscog teaches that it is ONLY through the Passover can a person receive eternal life. I was terrified when I left. Where else could I go to keep Passover? I was thinking I needed to convert to Judaism in order to keep Passover, despite the fact that the wmscog teaches that Jewish people keep the Old Covenant & therefore can’t be saved. In the end it doesn’t matter according to the words of Jesus. He said WHOEVER HEARS MY WORDS & BELIEVES has eternal life. Jesus gives life to whom He is pleased to give it. Doesn’t seem like there are any conditions set forth to receive life from Jesus.
My additional thoughts about the Passover according to the wmscog…they say the reality of the Passover is Zhang Gil Jah. We have all rehashed our thoughts about her! The Old Testament prophets never testified about her, nor did Jesus or any other prophet testify about her. Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever (Hebrews 13:8). He told us to believe in Him. He never said anyone was coming after Him. He told us to believe in Him & the One who sent Him. He (Jesus) told us to pray in His name.
Thank you, Jesus, for standing by me even though I left you to worship two false gods! I will continue to tell others about Jesus to atone for leading my loving brothers & sisters to worship false gods with me.
MountainMom wrote:
@misspeace: Lol! Aren't you the one who was against debating to the death? Just sayin'LOL. Mm, I just agreed with what Omer said that we are debating to the death here, that is what we do. I never said I was against it. LOL. I've veiwed my post and I forgot to exclude the word "not". Sorry about the misunderstanding.
emil wrote:
misspeace wrote:
Your first sentence is inaccurate. Just because almost everybody says that their belief is 100% biblical does NOT mean that ALL of them are misusing it. That is already a pre-conception.
I have already reminded you that there are over 40000 different versions of Christianity out there. Every one of them essentially claims to be biblical. Yet there are variations between each of them. If not, they could merge. Lets say some of them do not know that another identical one exists somewhere else in the world. That still makes for thousands of variants. Would you be willing to agree that there are at least 20000 variants out there? Does it not mean that there are 20000 variants in doctrinal sets across the 20000 variants? Now since all these sets are different, there can be at most one set which is completely right. Do you agree? What does that tell you? There must then be 19999 sets of dcotrine out of the 20000 with at least one wrong interpretation. Tell me what's wrong with this logic.
misspeace wrote:
My first sentence is not a pre-conceived belief, it is a belief that is proven with extensive research and founded to be true. Logical people can see proof and accept that as truth, that doesn't mean that they have pre-conceived belief that it is true.
The sentence you wrote is a pre-conceived belief. I have to admit it even though I myself believe it. It is based on circular logic. A logical person will not accept it as true. Faith is required to accept it as true. The Word of God stands as evidence for Jesus being God and our belief in the divinity of Jesus causes us to believe in the Word of God. So you see how it is circular logic?
misspeace wrote:
The fact that you have said that "Which of us is right? We may never know until our journey here is over." implies that even you yourself do not know the truth. So how can you recognize what is false? Why are you not sure who is right? You MUST believe that you are right and therefore must provide proof to back it up and it it is proven false, be prepared to back down and change your ideas. God does not conform to man, it is man that must conform to God and the only way to know Him is knowing Him through His Word. This is not a preconceived belief, this is logic.
I believe I am right. However, I do not think a forum for examining the wmscog is the right forum to prove it. Perhaps we could continue by PM.
misspeace wrote:
I am assuming, correct me if I am wrong, that you do not wholly believe in the Bible, say a Roman Catholic perhaps? Have you read the Bible that extensively and understood its teacings so correctly that you are very confident that you can already take a step out of its teachings?
What is it that made you think I do not wholly believe in the bible? This is the typical misconception that exemplifies what…
Bishop Fulton Sheen said:
There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.
misspeace wrote:
Okay let me ask one simple question here: Emil, are you saved?
My belief is that being saved is not a one time action. It is a lifetime journey. Salvation is available to us but we have the free will to accept or reject it.
misspeace wrote:
If you die right now, will you go to heaven? Please do not think this as a trick question, I will just be making a point as you answer.
I am not afraid of trick questions as I have nothing to hide. I believe that every day I strive to please God and do what Jesus has commanded and shown. I have never been worried about all the so-called endtimes catastrophies. I believe I will go to heaven if I die right now but I also know that I know very little. 🙂
I perceive that this whole debate has come up because you are trying to defend the Got Questions site.
I'm not saying your afraid… I'm just saying don't think of it as a trick question. Okay, let's just continue this in PM. Just to answer your last sentence, no this whole debate did not come up because I am trying to defend gotquestions site, this debate came up because we got into the whole "biblical" issue stuff which I, as a Christian, would defend "to the death" lol.
emil wrote:
misspeace wrote:
Okay let me ask one simple question here: Emil, are you saved?
My belief is that being saved is not a one time action. It is a lifetime journey. Salvation is available to us but we have the free will to accept or reject it.
Oh, one last thing…I have to point out that this belief of your is, in fact, unbiblical. Okay, to PM we go.
misspeace wrote:
I'm not saying your afraid… I'm just saying don't think of it as a trick question. Okay, let's just continue this in PM. Just to answer your last sentence, no this whole debate did not come up because I am trying to defend gotquestions site, this debate came up because we got into the whole "biblical" issue stuff which I, as a Christian, would defend "to the death" lol.
Sorry if I have misunderstood you. You said
misspeace wrote:
I know one good website wherein they try to answer your questions (biblically supported ofcourse) thru email. You can try visiting their site http://www.gotquestions.org.
I was only objecting to your statement that the website you recommended was "biblically supported" because I found unbiblical answers in there myself. Please go back and read my answers from that perspective if you like.
In Jesus name I pray
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And I Phuckin' hope they don't like it.
I keep hearing from many people that members of the wms can't eat food prayed over in Jesus' name. That is so awful. But it explains some things that my son did or didn't do. So sad that they are leading my wonderful son to destruction. But I saw a sign on a church billboard today that said "Patience is waiting for God's timing." I don't understand what He is doing, but I guess I just have to wait. But in the meantime…….
Disturbed wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions. I long ago put away the bibles I used with that group. The brainwashing runs deep though. As a member, we spent many hours on Sabbath & any other day we went there studying their subjects. We repeated them over & over and listened to others practicing as well. So even though I am using an unmarked bible it's still very easy to remember the verses they use & what the preaching point is. It is a big step for me to even open the bible because of the fear of being unable to forget their teachings. I'm tackling this issue head on since I realize confronting it is the only way to overcome. I still see their teachings in my mind as I'm reading but God is allowing me to see the words He is trying to communicate to me. So what I got from the verses I stated above is vastly different from the teachings they teach, which is just BELIEVE.
hi their are local churches called Church of God that do partake in all the Feasts …type in Sabatth church of God from your area if you find one sent it to me so i can see about them I am in one now they all broke away from Worldwide Church of God
Disturbed wrote:
Thank you for the suggestions. I long ago put away the bibles I used with that group. The brainwashing runs deep though. As a member, we spent many hours on Sabbath & any other day we went there studying their subjects. We repeated them over & over and listened to others practicing as well. So even though I am using an unmarked bible it's still very easy to remember the verses they use & what the preaching point is. It is a big step for me to even open the bible because of the fear of being unable to forget their teachings. I'm tackling this issue head on since I realize confronting it is the only way to overcome. I still see their teachings in my mind as I'm reading but God is allowing me to see the words He is trying to communicate to me. So what I got from the verses I stated above is vastly different from the teachings they teach, which is just BELIEVE.
try this site it is awesome for translations and bible studies http://www.blueletterbible.org/userPrefs/userPrefs.cfm
Stained wrote:
In Jesus name I pray
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And I Phuckin' hope they don't like it.
You are too funny, Stained. "Second coming Christ Ahang sang hong! (i know that's not the exact way to spell it)." It always cracked me up when the pastor would end his service with that or begin with that. Smh…. All along knowing the whole thing isn't really true.
MountainMom wrote:
I keep hearing from many people that members of the wms can't eat food prayed over in Jesus' name. That is so awful. But it explains some things that my son did or didn't do. So sad that they are leading my wonderful son to destruction. But I saw a sign on a church billboard today that said "Patience is waiting for God's timing." I don't understand what He is doing, but I guess I just have to wait. But in the meantime…….
How do they know for sure that they haven't eaten food that has already been prayed over in Jesus' name?
Sarah2013 wrote:
MountainMom wrote:
I keep hearing from many people that members of the wms can't eat food prayed over in Jesus' name. That is so awful. But it explains some things that my son did or didn't do. So sad that they are leading my wonderful son to destruction. But I saw a sign on a church billboard today that said "Patience is waiting for God's timing." I don't understand what He is doing, but I guess I just have to wait. But in the meantime…….
How do they know for sure that they haven't eaten food that has already been prayed over in Jesus' name?
That's the same as the "no-blood" policy.
If you're cooking the meat by yourself you cannot leave any blood. But if someone else cooked it there is no way we could know if there's still blood in the meat. Sin is not imputed where there is no knowledge of sin.
fly lice wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
MountainMom wrote:
I keep hearing from many people that members of the wms can't eat food prayed over in Jesus' name. That is so awful. But it explains some things that my son did or didn't do. So sad that they are leading my wonderful son to destruction. But I saw a sign on a church billboard today that said "Patience is waiting for God's timing." I don't understand what He is doing, but I guess I just have to wait. But in the meantime…….
How do they know for sure that they haven't eaten food that has already been prayed over in Jesus' name?
That's the same as the "no-blood" policy.
If you're cooking the meat by yourself you cannot leave any blood. But if someone else cooked it there is no way we could know if there's still blood in the meat. Sin is not imputed where there is no knowledge of sin.
Awesome answer!
Sarah2013 wrote:
fly lice wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
MountainMom wrote:
I keep hearing from many people that members of the wms can't eat food prayed over in Jesus' name. That is so awful. But it explains some things that my son did or didn't do. So sad that they are leading my wonderful son to destruction. But I saw a sign on a church billboard today that said "Patience is waiting for God's timing." I don't understand what He is doing, but I guess I just have to wait. But in the meantime…….
How do they know for sure that they haven't eaten food that has already been prayed over in Jesus' name?
That's the same as the "no-blood" policy.
If you're cooking the meat by yourself you cannot leave any blood. But if someone else cooked it there is no way we could know if there's still blood in the meat. Sin is not imputed where there is no knowledge of sin.
Awesome answer!
Good answer the official answer is if I remember in 1 cor 10:25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.
27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience", not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
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