[anon7]

Wms’s entire doctrine is based on “Jesus is The Father, there is no God which Jesus called ‘the Father,’ Jesus is the only Father and the only God (besides His wife in Korea).” If every church would say “there is Jesus and there is the Father. They are one but they are 2 and separate, 2 separate beings.” … Wait i think most everyone says that…lol. How come no one wms preaches to ever says blatantly, adamantly, “No there is God the Father, and there is also Jesus, they are 2 separate beings?” If Everytime wms preached to a Christian (or even a Muslim for that matter) and we all preached back to them “no this is what the Bible says. Jn 8:18, Jn 5:22 etc.” If everyone said it to them, they would hear it, theoretically. I never saw or heard of a single case where someone stood up to them and clearly said “there is God the Father, not just Jesus, no matter what you say.” I do stand on the side of “there is only one God” (not 2 Gods, God and Jesus). But we don’t have to agree that much… For this… Wms was trying hard to “preach” to every person this year. Muslims believe in the book of John, if you didn’t know…see my post about The Father/The Son 2 vs 1 PERFECT Bible verses for more verses.

[anon7]

[anon7]

That’s all i got. I’ve said all i can say. I pray everyone’s family and friends come back to them soon. And i hope everyone will turn back to the God who created them.

[anon7]

I stand on the side of “only God had no beginning. Jesus had a beginning.” But for the sake of regaining the wms members we don’t have to agree that much…

[anon7]

I didn’t want wms members to have any doubt that wms is lying (making stuff up). So, they give all these mini sermons on these exact verses (over and over and over and over). I don’t want them to have any doubt Gil, Joo, and Sahng are (were) lying because i don’t want wms members to listen or obey Joo Gil etc, bc I’m scared of what they might say to do…Joo and Gil “may not” know that they’re lying. Also being in Satan’s church just sounds dangerous for salvation… The members look at the “sacrifice” “the fasting” “the long distance walking.” Yes someone who believed they were Jesus’ wife might fast a lot. Yes someone who believed they were the chosen leader (prophet) might work hard. Lots of people fast, sacrifice-they even run marathons. It doesn’t make them Jesus or God. Look at the verses!

[anon7]

Professional swimmers swim, practicing daily. It’s very hard, harder than walking… It doesn’t make them God and it doesn’t make their word infallible. “The Father was always at work.” As Jesus said. Jesus too said He was working. There’s many mountain climbers, it doesn’t make them God. Everyone on this site looks like they worked hard to get their family and friends back.

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Wms thinks “who would do like this for us if they were not our mom” about Gil… Someone who thought they were your mom wms might… News flash, the mom in Solomon didn’t tear her baby apart (no matter what, even if she lost them). … But you’re being threatened wms that you’ll burn if you fall away. Everyone sees “how many” fall away on a monthly/yearly basis. They can’t help but fear that they might fall away… (I’m using their own sermon material about Solomon’s wisdom, for the sake of trying their own key verses). Professional figure skaters practice and practice, even without eating what they want, but are they God? (no). Working hard does not equal being a diety, neither does frequent fasting.

[anon7]

I know y’all on this site mentioned a lot of this same stuff, trying and trying. (Like Constantine could bring the Passover, etc etc etc etc). I read your stuff, and it took time for me to be able to see it. What got me out of wms was KNOWING there was God the Father. So i tried what worked for me.

[Mayor and Mike]

Who is this Anon7 character?

[Mayor and Mike]

Anon7 who are you and why do you post here??

[anon7]

Sometimes Israel was lured away from Jehovah/often times (in the old testament times). How did satan lure them away? “Other gods.” (Which are really no gods at all, but seemed good and nice). An “other” god preaches a doctrine “other” than the one Jesus preached, SUCH AS “there is no Father, but only Jesus.” Almost all other churches emphasize not only the oneness of God and Jesus, but also how they’re separate. They may call it the Trinity, or however phrased, but they keep a balance that not only Jesus loves you, but also God the Father loves you too. From this balance churches create a good environment based on the love of Your Heavenly Father (and also His love in sending the Messiah to lead His people-a human example of sinless perfection that they can look up to, someone who walked a sinless perfect path who can guide them to the right way and to God). Christianity has the duality of God who loved His people too much to let them perish, no matter what, and Jesus who set the perfect example, showing us “we can trust Jesus.” If we just follow His words, we will walk the right path and find our way to Heaven. Jesus IS the very Word of God, so we know His words and direction are trustworthy. Jesus made such an impact, as people realized how perfect he was, that not only Christians gave up their lives to follow him, but even Muslims revere him as sinless-the Word of God-The Messiah (The Christ) etc. I’m saying Jesus was so remarkably sinless, that he made an impression across the globe, no matter what country.

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Wms, your teaching sounds good. “Our Heavenly Father came to earth to save us.” But what you are being taught is that there has never been a sinless human. This sends the message to people that no one has accomplished a righteous life without sin. (Without ever even thinking about it once, the hearer gives up that they could even live a righteous life like Noah (or even be credited with righteousness like Abraham by faith). God sent Jesus because He knew people needed someone to look up to (so that they wouldn’t just idolize stars etc, but that they would look up to Jesus). Jesus said He only did as He saw the Father doing. By trying to copy Jesus’ example which Christians see with their own eyes in the Bible, Christians have hope that they can be counted as righteous in God’s eyes (though they feel they have much sin). People often debate “what is that example we have to follow?” “Is it baptism?” “Is it bread and wine?” Some say it’s only a single prayer needed. (I’ve never heard a Christian ever say “there’s absolutely nothing you need to do, not even a prayer, etc”). So Christians emphasize faith in Jesus, even at every worship. However, wms, faith in Jesus without faith in God-there is no such thing!

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Wms you are so caught up on “the feasts are in the new testament.” That’s way deeper, and it’s not what you think… You think “God’s church would keep the feasts.” LOTS OF CHURCHES KEEP THE FEASTS WMS, especially churches having the same name “church of God.” (Yes the new testament feasts). A founder teaching customs that sound like what the early church did are not indicators that the founder is Jesus. If satan comes to earth, not only does he know about the feasts, he’s very smart…

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Wms you are looking for a church that keeps the feasts because someone pointed them out to you in the Bible. Yes wms the feasts were abolished (yes I’m aware you see them in verses after the cross). The scope of this is not appropriate on this kind of forum.

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Please seek God “The Father” whom Jesus said was His God, calling Him “my Father.” You didn’t find because you didn’t seek. You didn’t seek because you were scared you would go to hell for seeking.

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Though you don’t understand it wms, you do not need to keep the feasts. How and when they were abolished… That’s way too long to write, and this turned into a paper already…

(you should know, because you don’t know, ONLY Christians say you HAVE to be Christian. (But people define Christian as merely “believing in Christ.”). Christianity is not the only religion that believes Jesus is Christ… Other religions say “our religion is good, and Christianity is good also, even saying “Christians will go to Heaven, so will we.” (Only Christians go around telling every other culture they’re going to hell-other religions don’t do that). I am saying “we must be Christian to avoid punishment for our sins…” However Christians believe the words of Jesus, every word, not some words. The words of Christ Jesus, Christians believe. Jesus said John 8:18 John 5:22 etc etc etc etc.

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Also wms, you feel you are inviting people to go to Heaven with you. They feel like you’re telling them they’re going to hell. (This comes from an attitude of lack of Mercy). When we look at some man who died, and are told he’s God, we view God as we see the man. Looking at Ahnsahnghong, who emphasized a number 144,000 (over emphasizing them being the chosen few – not chosen randomly, but because somehow they were better than everyone else), this makes people either have a great feeling of never being able to be chosen or as good as others, or else the opposite occurs, and they think they’ve done better than everyone else, “somehow.” “Those people are not just ‘chosen’ randomly (therefore ‘they must have done something right’) is the doctrine’s basis. This teaching is not from God, but a doctrine SPECIFIC to APOLLYON, and I’d say easily the most dangerous doctrine in the history of Christianity. (Notice most churches don’t even go near this kind of exclusive thinking) where as i read wms had even a hymnal new song book titled something like “only for the 144,000.” It is a psychological factor motivating people to not just strive and strive to be the ‘chosen’ few (which sounds good, except they think they attained God’s special love, only given to a chosen few, by their hard hard work [instead of thinking God loves me because He loves me-He created me into existing because He desired to be with me, and He loves me especially because I’m lovable, not because i put so many hours of work in, but because He just loves me, regardless of what i did or didn’t do]). The works based 144,000 theory, particular to select members within one specific church, is not only “the works based salvation” which every church unitedly stands against, but has no balance of “faith and works” and is utterly works based, no matter how many times its members say “it’s by faith in bread and wine.” They can’t help but want to be a part of this select number…

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This accidently turned into a mini thesis paper lol, but other churches humbly say things like “i don’t know what this number means” or “it must apply to natural Israel, not us gentile Christians.” By saying gracious things like this, their members are not bound to striving and striving for God’s particular love. Instead they accept that God loves them, and do what they want to do because they want to do it (meaning what works they do, they do it to please God, knowing God already loves them, and God couldn’t love them anymore, He loved them before they did their first “work” in His name, and He loves them the same “no matter how much they do.” Something along these lines is the faith based salvation.

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The # 144,000 is directly related to the # 216 (a variant of 666).

*******The BIBLE didn’t say what 144,000 “standing with the Lamb” actually meant, and NEITHER did Jesus. Besides the bad connotation, it is associated with verses about God’s people. The # is a lesson more than anything, it can be a lesson as an indicator of spiritual growth. Wms, look at the fundamental verses of the Bible, like “there is one God” and “Jesus existed, and the God He called “Father” also exists; they both exist separately, as 2 beings.” These kind of verses will keep you away from Apollyon’s doctrine.

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By looking at a woman, who scarcely says how much she loves you (but almost always follows it with “bear fruit bear fruit,” members cannot help but feel disappointed. Thinking “this is all there is to God’s mercy and love,” (god is that unmerciful, and i just wish she’d spend more than 30 seconds telling me she loved me, and less than 4 hours a week telling me i have to worship Her or I’m going to Hell [but the ENTIRE time I’m in worship, I’m being told i have to obey and worship to go to Heaven. So I’m in worship for an hour, being told if i don’t come to the next worship the same day I’m going to hell. Then i come to that worship and am told for that hour if i don’t come to the evening worship not in the Bible, I’m going to hell… Then i come to the evening worship wondering why this new covenant is harder than the one 2,000 years ago. The cycle repeats, and every worship I’m told I’m going to hell if i fall away (while seeing so many members who fell away that year). I fear I’ll fall away and burn, at the same time hoping to be one of the 144,000… And this is what Jesus came to give (except 1 John said “perfect love casts out fear.”). No that is beast doctrine.

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Believe the words the one you KNOW is Jesus said (not someone “claiming” to be the Messiah. 2,000 years ago Jesus said “I AM THE MESSIAH” and emphasized to people “there IS God, He’s greater than me. ~We are one, but WE are TWO.~ *Sahng basically said “there is no God.”* (That’s basically what Joo and Gil are saying). ***A Jesus and a Jesus’ wife that says there’s no God…*** That’s laughable if i weren’t so worried about wms members who feel used.

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Wms please, God is not mean. The doctrine you hear for hours a week is just heartless. I’m sorry you got used in wms. I’m sorry people misused your time.

[anon7]

“Thesis” on the 144,000 doctrine directly above. Thesis /rant lol. Sorry I’m mad

[anon7]

Answer to question: i post here bc i think wms is not God’s church, but satan’s church, and i think there doctrine is from satan. And i think there is only one God and He’s male.

[anon7]

I’m trying and hoping to get the wms members out just like y’all. I tried different methods but… I’m not going to keep ranting. I made it a goal to try to finish whatever i was going to say by before sept 8th this week.

[anon7]

Answer mayor Mike: who am i? I’m an ex member who left wms, but I’ve been reading your site for over a year, about a year and a half or a little more. (But i realized wms was lying a couple years ago, but i couldn’t make any sense out of anything). I was in wms when i came here reading (so occasionally maybe it happens that members dare come here). Gil seemed so nice, so i believed she was God (though i always thought “Sahng doesn’t remind me of Jesus, maybe he’s someone else, mentioning it to my friends). because of the verses they showed saying “look this shows when Jesus came, where Jesus came from” i thought ASH was Jesus. So i tried to comment on the verses that held me in there, hoping it would help others get out. I’m not gonna keep posting topics on verses like I’ve been doing. I made it a goal to go off on wms, attempt to help, and be done with it, and move on with life. I have a very lonely life (and it’s been lonely ever since i was lied to that Jesus came 1948). I’m going to put my time towards trying to have a normal life now. Honestly i can’t think of anything i have left to say except

AHNSAHNGHONG=SATAN

JOO CHEOL KIM =SATAN

ZHANG GIL JAH = SATAN

WMSCOG DOCTRINE=CRAP, SATAN’S DOCTRINE

I’m mad they’re lying to people

i threw out theories in hopes to give wms anything to help them see “maybe wms is lying/wrong.”

[anon7]

I threw out multiple random theories prior. Pick one or all, just stay away from satan’s church.

[anon7]

Jesus not only doesn’t sin, but He’s the Word OF God, so everything Jesus says is exactly as Jehovah would say. Jesus is the “image” of God “His exact representation.” Seeing Jesus was like seeing Jehovah. Wms will refer you to a verse about “the one who saw Jesus has seen the Father.” Yeah it’s like seeing Jehovah in 3d. However Jesus emphasized “i and the Father are one” and and also things like “the Father doesn’t judge anyone, only the son judges, the Father committed the authority to the son.” Jn 5:22. Jesus taught both sides of His oneness with Jehovah, and also how they are 2, and separate. Wms says they are “one” “not 2” so they can point at Genesis 1:27 and say “look God is talking to someone, obviously a female (it can’t be God talking to Jesus-they’re one in the same)!” “Therefore Gil is God.” This is ludicrous. Jesus also said “no one has heard the Father or seen Him.” Wms calls Jesus a liar to support their doctrine that the man they call Jesus is God. (Except that man Ahnsahnghong was obviously Lucifer, the false prophet Jesus warned would come).

[anon7]

A man is out walking. Someone shouts “I AM JESUS!” The man stops. “Jesus!? Tell me about God!?” The “Jesus” says “there is no God!” … Absolutely no one is going to bow down and worship this Jesus, whether he says he has a wife, or whether he proceeds to say “these are the 7 feasts in the Bible that you’ve never heard about.” Keeping the 7 feasts to say there’s no God… I’m sorry, the Sunday worshippers at least say there’s God…