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come on WMS, just admit it….. You are exposed.
– Admit it, you predicts 2012 doomsday…. everybody who have been in WMS knows you did (althought often denied) and it failed ofcourse.
– Admit it, you sometimes "suggested" to members to get married to somebody then have an abortion, theres some ex members from india here that testify about it and no they dont know Diane who testify about it too.
– Admit it, You have minimal headcounts for recruitment for every members and tithes is center point of it all. (this is actually something thats VERY visible in sions if you pay attention closely)
– Admit it, Wms is not about religions, infact it dont even have original teaching…. its just cut-pasted teaching from many other denominations.
– Admit it, you despise 25th december as xmas YET you celebrate it as the birthdate of Anh, then what the difference??? Anh supposed to be jesus V2, so if 25th december celebration is something that came from the devil….well…. you know who you consider as the devil then.
Hi lovelyK,
Many people here have been hurt, so it's understandable that you see strong emotion come out sometimes–from both sides.
I tithe also, so I agree with you on that part. The difference I see from stories I've heard from wmscog members and my experience in my own churches (non-wmscog) is that there is more pressure to give money at the wmscog. At my non-wmscog church I am encouraged to trust God with my finances and support His work, but those who have not learned to trust God this way are not ostracized, treated poorly for it, or threatened with the loss of their salvation.
On the other hand, the stories I hear from wmscog members is that they experience high pressure to tithe to show their obedience to God, and to give above and beyond even to the extent of giving their retirement money. And since salvation is based on obedience, if they don't obey God with tithing they are at risk of losing their salvation. I know a member personally who was taught that she should not come empty handed to the Lord, so she gives an offering of some kind every single service. If she had $3 to give for example, she felt she needed to give $1 each for three services, instead of giving the $3 at one service and letting the offering plate pass for the other two. It's the same amount of money, but she would guilty if she didn't put something in every service.
I don't believe God would want us to feel guilty in such a case, do you? But this is what she was taught. I think it's an example of manipulation using guilt.
What is your experience with the wmscog is this? Have you noticed people given the suggestion that they should give as much as they can because more giving equals more blessing in return, or because the world is ending soon anyway, or because they need to obey to "complete" their salvation?
What Genny has said is the same as my experience with what they ask for financially. But tithe is only the beginning. From what I see, they ask for tithe, but then the "real" blessings occur for what is given above the tithe. This isn't demanded, it is simply strongly implied on a regular basis. You can't "lose your crown" you know, and there is a competition atmosphere because you need to be in the 144,000.
What Genny has said is the same as my experience with what they ask for financially. But tithe is only the beginning. From what I see, they ask for tithe, but then the "real" blessings occur for what is given above the tithe. This isn't demanded, it is simply strongly implied on a regular basis. You can't "lose your crown" you know, and there is a competition atmosphere because you need to be in the 144,000.
The old testament does say to tithe 10% but I dont find a verse to do so in the new testament regarding the 10 %. The wscog at least when I was there did not force me to give my 10% but they used guilt. saying that I had no faith in father and mother. That I should start by giving something and working my self up to the correct amount that I am suppose to give. The lord god said that
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver . Meaning that.
The old testament does say to tithe 10% but I dont find a verse to do so in the new testament regarding the 10 %. The wscog at least when I was there did not force me to give my 10% but they used guilt. saying that I had no faith in father and mother. That I should start by giving something and working my self up to the correct amount that I am suppose to give. The lord god said that
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver . Meaning that.
if you only feel like giving 2 dollars and this comes from your heart ,god will cherish this more than you giving 100 and acting like this is a burden for you.
MountainMom wrote:
What Genny has said is the same as my experience with what they ask for financially. But tithe is only the beginning. From what I see, they ask for tithe, but then the "real" blessings occur for what is given above the tithe. This isn't demanded, it is simply strongly implied on a regular basis. You can't "lose your crown" you know, and there is a competition atmosphere because you need to be in the 144,000.
This is true after I started giving my full tiths they started demanding more from me . asking me if I can give 80 dollars a months apart from my tithes because we were getting new members and we need to feed them and take care of them. They know who are in great financial status. I was new graduate living at home at that time ,so they new i had money to give. The more responsability you have in church the more money they ask of you.
In my current religion (Reformation), tithes are still needed but never demanded from us. They only explained about 10% tithing found in the Old Testament so I could understad what a tithe was and then my pastor said when Jesus came, the 10% is not required anymore because the only thing about tithing that is found in the New Testament was 2 Corinthians 9:7 "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." So he used this verse to point out that the individuals are the ones to decide WHEN and HOW MUCH to give.
And thats the way it should be . I bet that most of the people that give 10 % to the church dont do it from their heart . They mostly do it just so they dont get called out .Because in ny zion the pastor used to call out individuals on their tithes.I wish I could have recorded this, becuase I know that most people want proof but this kind of behavior really went on in their.
Wow that never came close to happening here o.o seeing as big as NY is I am surprised he even had time lol
well yea the ny zion on 39 street is like the main church . When I was there they said that this church is made for warriors like (300 the movie) they are really big on that. The said that they really want gospel workers on that location and who ever was not preaching and bringing in fruits they will get send to another church a lil bit more relaxed.
LOL. 300 movie really? That's a funny way of putting it. So they are somehow threatening the people that they are going to be transferred to a different location if they don't work hard as expected? That's harsh. Can't you go back to them again and attempt to record the time they call out individuals on their tithes? lol!
yea becuase pastor said that gospel workers need to be like warriors and they even did the whole urahh urahh part of the movie lol. nope I cant go back their. I dont have the back bone to stay in their for 30 sec..I think simon should do that lol
They didn't do that here and I can't afford to move to NYC lol
Almost everybody dies in 300 and they certainly didn't go to Heaven. Not something I want to emulate. The WMSCOG can't seem to see this? Seems like the blind leading the blind.
Well they see some movies as being spiritual..like the matrix,.. and 300..the passion of christ among the main ones
avatar the matrix were the two big secular movie series they spiritualized here
Can someone explain how they can "spiritualized" a movie like those?lol.
Looking at it, I can see a bit of similarity of that situation to Steve Hassan's (former cult member) story on how the Moonies also used one movie about exorcism to strike fear into the hearts of the members.
in avatar eywah was named after bible God anyways navi is Hebrew for prophet.
eywah is the mother/tree of souls(life)
the bad guy calls himself papa Dragon before going to attack the tree.
some parallels right there
These movies are a lot more on the darker side than we think.
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