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I was recrutied by them and i'm actually really kinda starting to get worried. When I first started going I thought it was all a bunch of crap but i've been studying with them for a few months now and everything is starting to make since and sound so true. However they never REALLY answer anything when I ask they always say "let us learn through the bible," or "we must study the bible more" which lead me to start doing my own research of the questions and who Ahnsahnghong really is. Anyway as i've been reading up on them more I keep seeing the words brain wash and cult come up. I'm not sure they are a cult though, I recently particpated in their passover service and there was well over 200 people who attented it, for it to be a cult numbers would have to be a lot smaller right? I don't know I guess I just want some answers from other people, and i'm asking this myself so I can know if I should get out now or not??????
If you are wondering about the number of people you only have to look at the Peoples Temple cult. Over nine hundred people followed this cult leader to their death. The leaders name was Jim Jones. Is this a cult? There is no doubt about it. I'm really encouraged that you are able to separate yourself from their teachings enough to search for your own answers. Most members are dupped into following the doctrine and reading only certain sources of information. You are on the right path if you are truly looking for the truth. This group does not even follow the teachings of their so called god Ahnsahnghong. He taught about Jesus being the only way to salvation and he also taught against there possibly being a god the mother. Keep searching for the truth, get away from this group, and make your own decisions. One more thing, many people who leave this group give up on God all together. DON'T DO THAT! Jesus loves you very much and wants to be the lord of your life. Don't let these bad people condem you to Hell with this false teaching.
Ahnsahnghong wrote about God the Mother in 1955 BEFORE the book NCPCOG claims debunks her.
shimon wrote:
Ahnsahnghong wrote about God the Mother in 1955 BEFORE the book NCPCOG claims debunks her.
hi shimon,
so you're saying that Ahn wrote in favor of a mother god and then later wrote that there can be no mother god? even if what you say it true, I think his later writing would be accepted over his earlier writing.
that being said. please show some evidence for this. what is the name of the book? do you have a copy?
i have a very hard time believing Ahn wrote such a thing since his work Problems with the New Jerusalem, the Bride, and Women's Viels debunks the idea of a mother god.
loocpoc wrote:
There is no such beast as "G-d the mother". G-d has no gender. They use the term Elohim out of context. Elohim was also used to describe royalty and other dieties. Jews have a notion of a female form of G-d much like a male form of G-d. Hence, the Sabbath Queen whom we welcome into our home as a bride.
my favorite is when Elohim is used in Scripture to refer to Moses… as if Moses was plural.
it's clearly a pluralis excellentiae
Why don’t they have, the full.thing in English if it debunks wmscog so well they promise us, Ages ago clearly there is more they don’t want you to see.
he wrote it to expose unsueyoung not to refute the notion.
Sorry Shimon, your wrong again. Ahn's book clearly states that anyone who claims to be god the mother is delutional. This is you own god the father's writtings. How much research did you do about this group, Ahn, or Zahng before you decided to give your soul to this group and it's teachings? I hope that you did not just take this groups word as the gods honest truth. I think your soul is too valuable to just give away without really knowing what you're believing in.
Yes but HE claimed her God the mother himself not her.claiming it that’s the difference bride doesn’t reveal herself
Jesus proposed to his bride after the last supper. Jesus revealed the bride before he paid the price for her.
shimon wrote:
Ahnsahnghong wrote about God the Mother in 1955 BEFORE the book NCPCOG claims debunks her.
Which book was this?
shimon wrote:
Why don't they have, the full.thing in English if it debunks wmscog so well they promise us, Ages ago clearly there is more they don't want you to see.
he wrote it to expose unsueyoung not to refute the notion.
if you had read the translations that are posted, Ahn makes his point sufficiently clear.
Moreover, Ahn uses the same verses the WMSCOG uses to prove the existence of Zahng to say there can be no mother god. he doesn't just refute Um. he refutes anyone saying they are the mother god.
Finally, the NCPCOG will be posting a full translation in English on their site soon, so there is no need to continue the work of translating for the moment until they have finished. If they delay too long, then yes of course, more will be posted.
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
Ahnsahnghong wrote about God the Mother in 1955 BEFORE the book NCPCOG claims debunks her.
Which book was this?
Unsealing the seven thunders.
Joshua wrote:
Jesus proposed to his bride after the last supper. Jesus revealed the bride before he paid the price for her.
Book Chapter Verse?
ttr wrote:
shimon wrote:
Why don't they have, the full.thing in English if it debunks wmscog so well they promise us, Ages ago clearly there is more they don't want you to see.
he wrote it to expose unsueyoung not to refute the notion.
if you had read the translations that are posted, Ahn makes his point sufficiently clear.
Moreover, Ahn uses the same verses the WMSCOG uses to prove the existence of Zahng to say there can be no mother god. he doesn't just refute Um. he refutes anyone saying they are the mother god.
Finally, the NCPCOG will be posting a full translation in English on their site soon, so there is no need to continue the work of translating for the moment until they have finished. If they delay too long, then yes of course, more will be posted.
Soon ended ages ago. Also, Umsueyoung said she was mother. Ahnsahnghong said Zahnggiljah was mother different thing.
shimon wrote:
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
Ahnsahnghong wrote about God the Mother in 1955 BEFORE the book NCPCOG claims debunks her.
Which book was this?
Unsealing the seven thunders.
Thanks. So how can I get a copy of "Unsealing the Seven Thunders" so I can read it for myself?
And if I were able to read the Korean version of the book on the ncpcog website, do you think it would tell me the same thing as the wmscog's version?
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
Ahnsahnghong wrote about God the Mother in 1955 BEFORE the book NCPCOG claims debunks her.
Which book was this?
Unsealing the seven thunders.
Thanks. So how can I get a copy of "Unsealing the Seven Thunders" so I can read it for myself?
And if I were able to read the Korean version of the book on the ncpcog website, do you think it would tell me the same thing as the wmscog's version?
I don't know Korean so I couldn't tell you whether it would say the same thing you gotta look for yourself. (asuming they have it in the first place)
I can't look for myself unless I can get the book. Can you tell me how to get copy? I know the wmscog has English copies available to members, but if it's so important, why is it unavailable to the public?
I cannot answer, that honestly I don’t know.
shimon wrote:
I cannot answer, that honestly I don't know.
Maybe you can ask? Don't you think if these books are so important, they should be easily available?
In the mean time something to consider is who will sell them and who.will.buy them
who will sell them: the church itself, other online booksellers (like Amazon)
who will buy them: church members, potential church members, people who want to know more about the church, people who want to study the church, family and friends who want to better understand where their loved one's new beliefs come from
I find it hard to believe Amazon would be interested in selling them. Maybe I dunno.
Maybe, I do find it interesting when considering the preface to The Mystery of God and the Spring of the Water of Life implies it is for nonchurch members too.
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