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While the WMSCOG has their own spin on what the Passover means and how it should be celebrated here's an interesting and possibly a more realistic way of viewing the passover. After the Passover meal Jesus did something that was really out of the normal way of doing things. He took the bread and used it to symbolize his body which would be broken for us. Then he took the cup of redemption and used it to symbolize his blood that would be shed for us. What we have lost over the years is something that the Jews of that time would have understood very well. Jesus actually proposed to his followers (the Church) with this act. When the followers drank from the cup they sealed a blood covenant with their future spouse. Let me explain. In Jesus time when a young man wished to marry there was certain things that he had to do. The young man prepared a Ketubah, or marriage contract (or covenant) which he presented to the intended bride and her father. Included in this was the " Bride Price ", which was appropriate in that society to compensate the young woman's parents for the cost of raising her, as well as being an expression of his love for her. If this contract was accepted by the future brides father then the young man proceeded to the next step. To see if the proposal was accepted, the young man would pour a cup of wine for his beloved and wait to see if she drank it. This cup represents a blood covenant. If she drank the cup she would have accepted the proposal and they would be betrothed. The young man would then give gifts to his beloved, and then take his leave. The young woman would have to wait for him to return and collect her. Do you not see the truth or the correlation yet? I'll go on. Before leaving the young man would announce, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". The usual practice was for the young man to return to his father's house and build a honeymoon room there. He was not allowed to skimp on the work and had to get his father's approval before he could consider it ready for his bride. If asked the date of his wedding he would have to reply, "Only my father knows."
Jesus offered the "Bride Price" for us. We, the Church, accepted his offer and accept his offer everytime we drink from the cup representing his blood. He paid the price and gave us the gift of eternal life amoung others. After his resurrection he stated, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". He then went to his fathers house and began preparing a place for his bride. The place is New Jerusalem where the saints will reside as the Bible says it. By the way, Ahnsahnghong said it as well. And who knows when Jesus is going to come back for us? Jesus told us, "Only my father knows." Jesus proposed to his bride in the evening after the Passover feast. We are his bride and it is proven by Jesus own actions and words. Anyone who comes preaching another doctrine other than the one taught to you by Jesus and the Apostles is a false prophet and a liar. Jesus paid the price for us and even Ahnsahnghong believed that and preached it till his death. This god the mother who's living in South Korea is a living, breathing, false prophet and liar as is anyone who is spreading these lies and deceiving Gods children. Accept Jesus the Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and he will reside in you and you in him. This is what the Bible teaches us. He's already paid the "Bride Price" for us, all we have to do is accept him.
loocpoc:
In the eyes of other churches, yes, I belong to the spiritual babylon. It's the same vice-versa, people who don't go to WMSCOG belong to the spiritual babylon whether thay are in a church or a not. Practicing anything that is not of Christ is having part with a prostitute. In other words, disobeying His commands. Sabbath for instance*.. The Sabbath is Saturday. Anyone who does not keep the Sabbath holy is not obeying the law of Christ. Anyone who does not keep the Sabbath holy is having part with the prostitute. Only those in babylon don't obey Christ. Babylon is ruled by the devil. If someone believes in God but does not obey is a child of the devil. Because even the devil believes Jesus is God but doesn't obey. There's a verse some place mentioning "Your father is the devil because you do what he does" or something like that.
As for the orignial post:
WOW!! I am almost at a lost for words because, if that is true in tradition, it makes soooooo much sense! I am a very logical woman and admire everything that makes sense. Especially with many of the studies I've had, my favorite concerning the Sabbath, everything has made sense. But to view the Passover as a wedding banquet is so beautiful. And is also a study I have recently had. I think it was a sermon though.. Either way, it was told to me that the Passover had eveything to do with a wedding banquet. What can be said in contrary to this! I don't deny that church is the bride. But I do deny that the church is the Bride (capital B). What doesn't make sense is that a mere man who is not God in flesh can give eternal life. Never, never, never can this be.
loocpoc:
In the eyes of other churches, yes, I belong to the spiritual babylon. It's the same vice-versa, people who don't go to WMSCOG belong to the spiritual babylon whether thay are in a church or a not. Practicing anything that is not of Christ is having part with a prostitute. In other words, disobeying His commands. Sabbath for instance*.. The Sabbath is Saturday. Anyone who does not keep the Sabbath holy is not obeying the law of Christ. Anyone who does not keep the Sabbath holy is having part with the prostitute. Only those in babylon don't obey Christ. Babylon is ruled by the devil. If someone believes in God but does not obey is a child of the devil. Because even the devil believes Jesus is God but doesn't obey. There's a verse some place mentioning "Your father is the devil because you do what he does" or something like that.
As for the orignial post:
WOW!! I am almost at a lost for words because, if that is true in tradition, it makes soooooo much sense! I am a very logical woman and admire everything that makes sense. Especially with many of the studies I've had, my favorite concerning the Sabbath, everything has made sense. But to view the Passover as a wedding banquet is so beautiful. And is also a study I have recently had. I think it was a sermon though.. Either way, it was told to me that the Passover had eveything to do with a wedding banquet. What can be said in contrary to this! I don't deny that church is the bride. But I do deny that the church is the Bride (capital B). What doesn't make sense is that a mere man who is not God in flesh can give eternal life. Never, never, never can this be.
loocpoc:
Think about in Breshit where it says there was evening and there was morning, the 1st day. That tells us that the 2nd day had to begin in the morning, when there was light. I'm going to explain how I understand it.
Evening is at sun down. Let's say 9pm. Light is at sunrise. Let's say 6 am. God worked and then evening came (9pm). Then came morning, or light. (6am). To say that a day is from evening to morning isn't accounting for the full 24 hours in a day. Actually, in most areas of the world, there are about 9 hours between evening & morning. So, we know that God worked then came evening. Well, when did He begin working? We know by looking into the next day. Morning marked the end of the 1st day. So, it was morning when God began working on the 2nd day. Then came evening and morning which ends the 2nd day. So on & so forth. So, in Breshit (is it pronounced bree-shit?) a day is from sunrise to sunrise.
Think about when Jesus was crucified. The Scripture says it all took place on Preparation Day (Friday) and he was buried just before the Sabbath. Mk 15:25, it was morning when He was raised on the cross. Mk 15:34, it was afternoon when Jesus cried out and died. Mk 15:42, we can see it was Preparation Day. Then evening came. Though evening had approached, it was not yet the Sabbath. I wish I could draw a picture but I will try to explain sunrise. Sunrise is when light breaks the darkness which we call morning. Mt 28:1, after the Sabbath (when the Sabbath is over) is described as dawn of the 1st day of the week.
If a day is from evening to evening that means a day would go as follows: darkness, light, darkness marks the end. However, Sabbath ends at dawn, right in the middle of the day according to Scripture. Doesn't make sense. That's because a day is from morning to morning. We can see it in both the Old & New Testament.
loocpoc:
Think about in Breshit where it says there was evening and there was morning, the 1st day. That tells us that the 2nd day had to begin in the morning, when there was light. I'm going to explain how I understand it.
Evening is at sun down. Let's say 9pm. Light is at sunrise. Let's say 6 am. God worked and then evening came (9pm). Then came morning, or light. (6am). To say that a day is from evening to morning isn't accounting for the full 24 hours in a day. Actually, in most areas of the world, there are about 9 hours between evening & morning. So, we know that God worked then came evening. Well, when did He begin working? We know by looking into the next day. Morning marked the end of the 1st day. So, it was morning when God began working on the 2nd day. Then came evening and morning which ends the 2nd day. So on & so forth. So, in Breshit (is it pronounced bree-shit?) a day is from sunrise to sunrise.
Think about when Jesus was crucified. The Scripture says it all took place on Preparation Day (Friday) and he was buried just before the Sabbath. Mk 15:25, it was morning when He was raised on the cross. Mk 15:34, it was afternoon when Jesus cried out and died. Mk 15:42, we can see it was Preparation Day. Then evening came. Though evening had approached, it was not yet the Sabbath. I wish I could draw a picture but I will try to explain sunrise. Sunrise is when light breaks the darkness which we call morning. Mt 28:1, after the Sabbath (when the Sabbath is over) is described as dawn of the 1st day of the week.
If a day is from evening to evening that means a day would go as follows: darkness, light, darkness marks the end. However, Sabbath ends at dawn, right in the middle of the day according to Scripture. Doesn't make sense. That's because a day is from morning to morning. We can see it in both the Old & New Testament.
loocpoc wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
loocpoc:
Think about in Breshit where it says there was evening and there was morning, the 1st day. That tells us that the 2nd day had to begin in the morning, when there was light. I'm going to explain how I understand it.
Evening is at sun down. Let's say 9pm. Light is at sunrise. Let's say 6 am. God worked and then evening came (9pm). Then came morning, or light. (6am). To say that a day is from evening to morning isn't accounting for the full 24 hours in a day. Actually, in most areas of the world, there are about 9 hours between evening & morning. So, we know that God worked then came evening. Well, when did He begin working? We know by looking into the next day. Morning marked the end of the 1st day. So, it was morning when God began working on the 2nd day. Then came evening and morning which ends the 2nd day. So on & so forth. So, in Breshit (is it pronounced bree-shit?) a day is from sunrise to sunrise.
Think about when Jesus was crucified. The Scripture says it all took place on Preparation Day (Friday) and he was buried just before the Sabbath. Mk 15:25, it was morning when He was raised on the cross. Mk 15:34, it was afternoon when Jesus cried out and died. Mk 15:42, we can see it was Preparation Day. Then evening came. Though evening had approached, it was not yet the Sabbath. I wish I could draw a picture but I will try to explain sunrise. Sunrise is when light breaks the darkness which we call morning. Mt 28:1, after the Sabbath (when the Sabbath is over) is described as dawn of the 1st day of the week.
If a day is from evening to evening that means a day would go as follows: darkness, light, darkness marks the end. However, Sabbath ends at dawn, right in the middle of the day according to Scripture. Doesn't make sense. That's because a day is from morning to morning. We can see it in both the Old & New Testament.
I will post up Breshit with the Hebrew..
And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light …ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר.
And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ.
ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}
ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}
God created light and then divided light from darkness and then named night and day and then there was erev (not evening actually as you very well know)and then there was morning that denotes a sequence with both erev and morning AFTER the events described defining the first day.
There is no "preperation day".
nonesense it isn't called preperation day but that doesn't make it not exist.
loocpoc wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
loocpoc:
Think about in Breshit where it says there was evening and there was morning, the 1st day. That tells us that the 2nd day had to begin in the morning, when there was light. I'm going to explain how I understand it.
Evening is at sun down. Let's say 9pm. Light is at sunrise. Let's say 6 am. God worked and then evening came (9pm). Then came morning, or light. (6am). To say that a day is from evening to morning isn't accounting for the full 24 hours in a day. Actually, in most areas of the world, there are about 9 hours between evening & morning. So, we know that God worked then came evening. Well, when did He begin working? We know by looking into the next day. Morning marked the end of the 1st day. So, it was morning when God began working on the 2nd day. Then came evening and morning which ends the 2nd day. So on & so forth. So, in Breshit (is it pronounced bree-shit?) a day is from sunrise to sunrise.
Think about when Jesus was crucified. The Scripture says it all took place on Preparation Day (Friday) and he was buried just before the Sabbath. Mk 15:25, it was morning when He was raised on the cross. Mk 15:34, it was afternoon when Jesus cried out and died. Mk 15:42, we can see it was Preparation Day. Then evening came. Though evening had approached, it was not yet the Sabbath. I wish I could draw a picture but I will try to explain sunrise. Sunrise is when light breaks the darkness which we call morning. Mt 28:1, after the Sabbath (when the Sabbath is over) is described as dawn of the 1st day of the week.
If a day is from evening to evening that means a day would go as follows: darkness, light, darkness marks the end. However, Sabbath ends at dawn, right in the middle of the day according to Scripture. Doesn't make sense. That's because a day is from morning to morning. We can see it in both the Old & New Testament.
I will post up Breshit with the Hebrew..
And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light …ג וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים, יְהִי אוֹר; וַיְהִי-אוֹר.
And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ.
ד וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאוֹר, כִּי-טוֹב; וַיַּבְדֵּל אֱלֹהִים, בֵּין הָאוֹר וּבֵין הַחֹשֶׁךְ.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}
ה וַיִּקְרָא אֱלֹהִים לָאוֹר יוֹם, וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ קָרָא לָיְלָה; וַיְהִי-עֶרֶב וַיְהִי-בֹקֶר, יוֹם אֶחָד. {פ}
God created light and then divided light from darkness and then named night and day and then there was erev (not evening actually as you very well know)and then there was morning that denotes a sequence with both erev and morning AFTER the events described defining the first day.
There is no "preperation day".
nonesense it isn't called preperation day but that doesn't make it not exist.
Preparation day exist. I gave the Scripture where it said, "It was Preparation Day"….. & at midnight the sun is no longer setting (going down) but rising (coming up) which why a day begins while it is still dark. That's the part I wanted to draw out but absolutely cannot on this computer.
Preparation day exist. I gave the Scripture where it said, "It was Preparation Day"….. & at midnight the sun is no longer setting (going down) but rising (coming up) which why a day begins while it is still dark. That's the part I wanted to draw out but absolutely cannot on this computer.
Jn 20:1, early in the morning is still dark.
Jn 20:1, early in the morning is still dark.
Because you don't go by the NT, I disregard a lot of what you say loocpoc. I don't live by the OT & you don't live by the NT. So, we're going to disagree on everything. But for those who trust in both the OT & the NT, early in the morning is still dark time but not evening.
Because you don't go by the NT, I disregard a lot of what you say loocpoc. I don't live by the OT & you don't live by the NT. So, we're going to disagree on everything. But for those who trust in both the OT & the NT, early in the morning is still dark time but not evening.
IF a day starts at Erev then God created everything in 6.5 days and rested on the seventh.
IF a day starts at Erev then God created everything in 6.5 days and rested on the seventh.
The NT refers to Scripture of the OT. The NT is not an exact copy of the scrolls. Jesus & the Apostles used the OT to testify about Christ & why He did the things He did. Also, how we are to abide by the Law of Christ (NT) & not the Law of Moses (OT). According to the scrolls, animal sacrifices are given. According to the NT, that has been done away with. I wonder how Jews make their sacrifices now. I wonder even more greatly why Jews decided not to make the animal sacrifices anymore.
I have spoken to a Jewish person & asked if he sacrificed a lamb or anything the way they are told according to Scripture. He said no. That seems improper.
The NT refers to Scripture of the OT. The NT is not an exact copy of the scrolls. Jesus & the Apostles used the OT to testify about Christ & why He did the things He did. Also, how we are to abide by the Law of Christ (NT) & not the Law of Moses (OT). According to the scrolls, animal sacrifices are given. According to the NT, that has been done away with. I wonder how Jews make their sacrifices now. I wonder even more greatly why Jews decided not to make the animal sacrifices anymore.
I have spoken to a Jewish person & asked if he sacrificed a lamb or anything the way they are told according to Scripture. He said no. That seems improper.
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