[Joshua]

This is just curiosity on my part but how does the WMSCOG deal with the questions about dinosaurs? Perhaps they have seen something in the Bible that has been missed. I've never really heard a good reason for the timeline and how the Bible doesn't talk in any kind of detail about these things.

[Simon]

[Simon]

they believe in God guided evolution and such so it’s just barely relevant. but one thing was dinosaurs were given time to turn to petroleum for spreading the gospel and to see mother

I could believe the first half the second not so much

[Joshua]

That's pretty good but the problem is that the Bible puts the age of the world at less than 7,000 years. The dinosaurs have been dated for much older than that. Lets keep researching.

[Simon]

if you look into history literal genesis interpretation as necessary has never really been universal and the early church didn’t find it an issue of orthodoxy versus heterodoxy. some major early church fathers rejected literal genesis 1 such as Augustine, Origen, and Clement

[Joshua]

That's true. What does the WMSCOG tell someone when this question comes up?

[Simon]

when I was a member I’d have said genesis 1 is a prophecy evolution is a fairly accurate model but it was God guided to lead us to where we are today

but it varies member to member some are yec because the study is rarely given and so people tend to go with what they believed before

[Joshua]

I just found something called the Gap Theory.

http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/Dinosaurs-Bible.htm 

Evidence is thin at best. It accounts for some things but I for one would like to see more evidence.

[Simon]

yeah gap theory doesn’t make sense to me . it makes more sense take it literal take it metaphor but don’t think it could be literal with chunks missing.

also if gap theory is real how did animals survive no moon no Sun no plants

[Simon]

for billions of years

[Reina412]

I was told that the Bible covered 6000 years of creation. Other than the story of Adam and Eve, the Bible starts from the time of Moses. That’s what my Deacon told me. Apparently all that really cool prehistoric stuff doesn’t matter when it comes to salvation.

[Simon]

well ultimately I don’t envision st Peter at the pearly gates asking how old the earth is or about dinosaurs. it is certainly fascinating and all but it’s unlikely it is important for our salvation

[Elievalkyrie]

I had a similar discussion when I was in wmscog. I was asking about cave men and "Java" men existence that is told in our history. They said that those are true as it is historical fact and told me that Adam and Eve weren't really the first people that God created. They were just the ones that God first gave "consciousness" or the ability to KNOW Him. So there are already other humans that lived beforehand and maybe dinosaurs also existed at that time.

Don't know why I didn't think of this before but if that is what they taught…How can they claim the 6,000 years redemption and the angels sinning in heaven kind of thing if humans without "consciousness" already existed? Don't they teach that God only created humans in the first place was because angels sinned in heaven and therefore sent to earth to be "imprisoned"?

[Simon]

they teach that we all left heaven at the same time and landed at different times why not start billions of years into the physical universe’s existence

[Elievalkyrie]

What do they taught about angels sinning now? I mean, if they could sin then does that mean that angels can still sin now?

[Joshua]

Ok folks, please stick to this topic. There are lots of other places where we have examined angels. The purpose of my post here is two fold. 1) What does the WMSCOG teach about this and 2) How do we answer a skeptic that brings up the fact about dinosaurs and the timeline of the earth. Think of this as a personal request from me. I want your help in researching and discovering the truth in regards to this. Thank you.

[Simon]

elie I was told they stopped at the cross when Jesus was crucified if you wanna discus further with me or others it might be worth another thread.

Joshua are you asking about evidence against old earth and evolution or scriptural compatibility with it or something else?

[Elievalkyrie]

Okay, sorry Josh, I got carried away with the topic. lol. 

Simon, can you be the one to make a thread explaining it then we can comment on from there? I don't know where to start if I do it. lol. I didn't receive any teaching pertaining to that.

[Joshua]

No, what I got hit with was that the Bible doesn't have the answer for everything. When I asked what he meant he said, "What about the dinosaurs?" I've been hit with this before. As Christians we are supposed to be ready with answers. We are falible and our answers might not always be 100% spot on but we still should try to give an answer when we can. At the time I was blindsided by this I had no answer. In hindsight I should have done some research on this as I have had this question before. Sceptics want answers but most of them don't want to take the time to find the answers for themselves. Most times they try to set traps and then say, "See, that's why I can't believe in that stuff." I want to be able to defend my faith in every possible situation. My confidence in this area has grown and I know that I will never have all of the answers but this is one of those times when I feel that I should be able to find a appropriate response to give a person like this. I know there are places in the Bible that talk about strange creatures. How they're described seems like there is a very real possibility that it could have been describing a dinosaur however, you and I will never find the word "dinosaur" in the Bible. The Gap Theory is weak but maybe it's a starting point. I do not believe in the theory of evolution at all and even the origional founder proved this theory false. He professed this to the scientific world but they still force feed this theory in our public schools. This is a whole other topic so I'll stop my soap box speach there. I want to find compatibility with Gods Word and the dinosaurs along with the timeline relative to the exhistance of the dinosaurs. Science and history are very certain that a large rock from outer space collided with the earth and caused an extinction event that destroyed all life on our planet. So far all I have been able to find that would encompass a extinction like event is the Gap Theory but like I said before, the evidence is very thin and a weak argument at best.

[Simon]

for the record Darwin’s theory is about the mechanism not if it happens. theistic evolutionary theory predates Darwinism

it’s very difficult to marry old earth with literal genesis

[Joshua]

I agree which is why I need as much help with this as I can get and believe me I do appreciate it.

[KF]

http://youtu.be/GpNloRrJoKw  

  Hi! Joshua, Love this post,  it's a very interesting topic….here you go, perhaps the above video, will shed some light or if you prefer to read then go here,

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/1999/11/05/dinosaurs-and-the-bible

 

As far as the wms teaching my friend told me he briefly learned about dinosaurs through the study the 6 day creation.  He was told dinosaurs exsist before Adam & Eve, as old as the earth is according to scientist that's how long ago they were around, but we have been on earth 6,000 years, and Adam & Eve where the first humans on earth with souls.  Others like Cains wife were people without souls AKA caveman.

IMHO

If you watch the video I posted it, you will see it makes alot of sense what this guy is saying, he proves it through the bible, because the bible is fact!!!!  enjoy 🙂