[Elievalkyrie]

Don't know how old this site is, it seems to be created in year 2012 but I just saw it and I find it particularly odd that the comments are all in favor of its creator's opinion. Here's the site:

http://examiningthewmscog.co/the-risks-of-examiningthewmscog/

I find it very funny that they would even result to this kind of counter measure. Really, not one negative input about the wmscog out of 23 comments?!? Here, let me correct that one with this 24th comment of mine. LOL. You guys ever seen this site? And looks like the difference of the url between their website and this —is one, itty, bitty letter "M" on the last part. Maybe so that people trying to research about the wmscog would have a chance of going to their website instead of ours? LOL. This people just cracked me up.

[Sarah2013]

[Sarah2013]

Certainly, Simon.

[Simon]

also if she is mentally ill or brainwashed herself

I’m not sure what to believe in regards to her.

[Love'n Honey]

Is it possible to believe that the only reason people do this is because they're mentally ill? I don't think people are in their right minds to do something of this degree. Or perhaps I'm just giving every guilty person the benefit of the doubt because I don't want to believe there are truly bad people on earth. Maybe the guilty ones are possessed. 

¿Es posible creer que la única razón por la que la gente hace esto es porque son enfermos mentales? No creo que la gente está en su sano juicio para hacer algo de este grado. O tal vez sólo estoy dando a cada persona culpable el beneficio de la duda porque no quiero creer que hay personas realmente malas en la tierra. Tal vez los culpables están poseídos.

[KC]

they were just con artists, nothing more………

[Sarah2013]

Nice one, KC.

[Simon]

Zhang seems very scripted she is never alone everything she says seems to be scripted or very basic from what I understand

[KF]

Simon wrote:

also if she is mentally ill or brainwashed herself

I'm not sure what to believe in regards to her.

 Oh Simon please! I suppose she doesn't know she's the chairwoman of the we love you foundation.

give me a break, she ain't dumb, she's a very intelligent individual, just look at how many followers she has.

don't play her out to be mentally ill or brainwashed, especially mentally ill!

she knows exactly what she's doing, however I do believe the real brains is her right hand.

[Sarah2013]

The power of a woman. Lol. At least with Hilda (Margaret Thatcher), she led know one astray – yet known in her time as the Iron Lady.

[Elievalkyrie]

renita.payno wrote:

Is it possible to believe that the only reason people do this is because they're mentally ill? I don't think people are in their right minds to do something of this degree. Or perhaps I'm just giving every guilty person the benefit of the doubt because I don't want to believe there are truly bad people on earth. Maybe the guilty ones are possessed. 

¿Es posible creer que la única razón por la que la gente hace esto es porque son enfermos mentales? No creo que la gente está en su sano juicio para hacer algo de este grado. O tal vez sólo estoy dando a cada persona culpable el beneficio de la duda porque no quiero creer que hay personas realmente malas en la tierra. Tal vez los culpables están poseídos.

I've heard stories which people do that is more terrifying than what Zhang and her wmscog are doing. So I will affirm that there IS truly bad people on earth. Even the bible testifies about it so why believe otherwise? Evil comes from the heart of men.(Matthew 15:19).

Anyway let me give one basic and very simple reason why people do the things the wmscog does? Greed. They want everything that they can have that they stop at nothing to get it. Greed for Money, Power, Fame and Glory. 

1 John 2:15-17. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires

[fromtheotherside]

Still in the back alley?   You know on the play ground where I came from if you had something to say you go and confront and stand up, the ones that just gossiped and said bad things like monkeys, were usually left bleeding on the curb, not that I could do anything to you guys from half way around the globe, but what my point is be men not monkeys.  hope every one had a good weekend, I did. 

[Elievalkyrie]

FTOS, if you still think we are in the back alley because we state our opinions in this forum but not show ourselves publicly then I can just give you persons whom you cannot put in the "back alley" category. Here they are: http://vimeo.com/58850933 http://vimeo.com/58659859

One is Diane Sims, a 9 year wmscog member once a deaconess and the other is Ron Ramos, a 12 year wmscog leader. I hope you take time in watching their videos.

[KF]

Eli, he did see it and comment on Former WMSCOG Missionary Ron Ramos Speaks Out About His Experience on page 2.  I don't know about Diane's interview.

[Elievalkyrie]

Yes, I have just read his "opinion". My, my he was pretty quick on judging why Ron Ramos left.

How many years have you been a member FTOS?

[Love'n Honey]

Elievalkyrie wrote:

renita.payno wrote:

Is it possible to believe that the only reason people do this is because they're mentally ill? I don't think people are in their right minds to do something of this degree. Or perhaps I'm just giving every guilty person the benefit of the doubt because I don't want to believe there are truly bad people on earth. Maybe the guilty ones are possessed. 

¿Es posible creer que la única razón por la que la gente hace esto es porque son enfermos mentales? No creo que la gente está en su sano juicio para hacer algo de este grado. O tal vez sólo estoy dando a cada persona culpable el beneficio de la duda porque no quiero creer que hay personas realmente malas en la tierra. Tal vez los culpables están poseídos.

I've heard stories which people do that is more terrifying than what Zhang and her wmscog are doing. So I will affirm that there IS truly bad people on earth. Even the bible testifies about it so why believe otherwise? Evil comes from the heart of men.(Matthew 15:19).

Anyway let me give one basic and very simple reason why people do the things the wmscog does? Greed. They want everything that they can have that they stop at nothing to get it. Greed for Money, Power, Fame and Glory. 

1 John 2:15-17. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires

 Because the bible says we are influenced by the devil. My beliefs of bad people kind of tie into "free will".. We do bad things not because we want to but because the devil "makes" us.

[Love'n Honey]

Whenever someone in my family does something bad, the super christian people in my family say, "That's not ______, that's the devil!"

[Simon]

Kim wrote:

Simon wrote:

also if she is mentally ill or brainwashed herself

I'm not sure what to believe in regards to her.

 Oh Simon please! I suppose she doesn't know she's the chairwoman of the we love you foundation.

give me a break, she ain't dumb, she's a very intelligent individual, just look at how many followers she has.

That's a strawman arguement

[Elievalkyrie]

renita.payno wrote:

Elievalkyrie wrote:

renita.payno wrote:

Is it possible to believe that the only reason people do this is because they're mentally ill? I don't think people are in their right minds to do something of this degree. Or perhaps I'm just giving every guilty person the benefit of the doubt because I don't want to believe there are truly bad people on earth. Maybe the guilty ones are possessed. 

¿Es posible creer que la única razón por la que la gente hace esto es porque son enfermos mentales? No creo que la gente está en su sano juicio para hacer algo de este grado. O tal vez sólo estoy dando a cada persona culpable el beneficio de la duda porque no quiero creer que hay personas realmente malas en la tierra. Tal vez los culpables están poseídos.

I've heard stories which people do that is more terrifying than what Zhang and her wmscog are doing. So I will affirm that there IS truly bad people on earth. Even the bible testifies about it so why believe otherwise? Evil comes from the heart of men.(Matthew 15:19).

Anyway let me give one basic and very simple reason why people do the things the wmscog does? Greed. They want everything that they can have that they stop at nothing to get it. Greed for Money, Power, Fame and Glory. 

1 John 2:15-17. Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires

 Because the bible says we are influenced by the devil. My beliefs of bad people kind of tie into "free will".. We do bad things not because we want to but because the devil "makes" us.

You can't really blame the devil for everything. The devil lies and tempts people but it is still the individual who decides whether he is to do bad things or not. The serpent didn't make Adam and Eve eat the fruit, he just told them lies that they believed.

[Love'n Honey]

but god sent the devil to tempt the people to their breaking point. then we sin. that's as if i were to leave a beautiful woman with my boyfriend. if he didn't cheat, i would send a more beautiful woman with less clothing and seductive lighting, soft music playing, while im out of town, etc. etc. until he couldn't overcome the temptation and finally cheated. then get mad about it… god knows we're sinners but still allows the devil to influence us in a way we can't resist. god knows what we can't resist and knows the optimal time to allow us to fall beneath temptation and sin. thats not fair.

[Elievalkyrie]

First thing you have to understand Renita, is that God has plans for everything. And I do mean everything. I will just copy paste (with a little alteration) here what I already posted in another forum: God have plans He made before the foundation of the world. God wanted to send a Saviour, if people do not sin then a Saviour cannot be sent. The people wouldn't inherit sin from Adam and Eve if they themselves didn't sin. So the law (do not eat the fruit) was made so that Adam and Eve would indeed sin. But contented with their lives, they wouldn't have sin if there was no one to tempt them. But God cannot tempt anyone as the bible says: "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone"(James 1:13). So the serpent was purposely put in the garden  to tempt Adam and Eve to sin. The serpent wouldn't be there to tempt them if God didn't create him (Gen.3:1, "now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God has MADE). The serpent (Satan/The Tempter) wouldn't exist if the angels did not rebel. The rebellion happened not because God cannot stop it, it happened because He allowed it to happen all according to His plan or else how would everything above happened if He did not allow it so? 

See? It has and always have been God's plan. He is in perfect control of EVERYTHING, then and even now and until the world ends. But seeing that He is indeed in control, are we to live our lives in fear now? Ofcourse not, because God is good and good will always prevail in the end. So put your trust in Him and Jesus, the Savior He sent. Does this mean that if you believe in Him, you will not experince bad things in life anymore? No, because the bible stated that when the end of time comes, the people of God will be persecuted (the Antichrist is coming). That was why I keep saying, we should have faith in God, not only through the good times but also in the bad, because He has a purpose for everything and if you accomplish to believe in Him despite everything you experience in your life, then that is what we call complete surrender to God. Not trusting your own will but His will because you know that He will make everything alright in the end.

I REALLY do hope that I don't sound like I am preaching here but I hope you learn to trust in God, Renita and not think of Him as unfair. I will pray for you. ^____^

[Love'n Honey]

I see what you're saying and I know a lot of the way I feel about God in general comes from the deceit that has been revealed in the past 3 years. Not just the WMSCOG but many if not all the churches I've been to have been faulty. I'm finding it very hard to believe in the God in the Holy Bible enough to receive the salvation that is promised. But at the same time, I still hold some sort of loyalty to Christianity. I want to believe but I don't. Oh well..