[Joshua]

I believe that we should worship the Lord on the Lords Day. Rev. tells us that the Lords Day is Sunday. If you look up the definition of Sabbath in the back of most Bibles you will find that it's a day of rest. For the Jews they practice Saturday Sabbath and for the Christians they practice a Sunday Sabbath. Have we changed anything in the Bible with the worship of Jesus on either of these days? Not by definition. If you choose to worship Jesus Christ on Saturday and your heart and motives are in the right place then do it. If you choose to worship on Sunday as I do make sure that your heart and mind are right and do it. What I am saying is that this issue is blown way out of proportion and the arguments that it creates only achieves separation and division. As followers of God we already have plenty of people that reject God and reject us. Do we really want to be like those people and reject others? This seems really hateful and ungodly. We do not serve a God of separation and rejection.

One other problem with this whole Saturday or Sunday thing is the view that some groups hold that Sunday worship is the worship of a sun god. If this is a fact then the worship on Saturdays is the worship of the god of Saturn. This kind of thinking is heavily flawed and I wish that people would stop trying to us this kind of thing as a reason why we're right and you're wrong. There is no way that myself or any other Christian has been or ever will worship a sun god. There is no such thing as worshipping a god without knowing! If this was a possibility then EVERYONE is worshipping false gods all of the time. You are worshipping the god of air with every breath without knowing it. You are worshipping the god of the ground everytime you take a step. Without knowing it of course. I know that I am putting some really stupid examples here but my point is that you cannot do this kind of thing unknowingly. On Sundays we worship Jesus Christ with our voices, thoughts, hearts, and minds. Myself I really get into this at times and I always feel His presence when I spend time worshipping Him. When it comes right down to it, who created everything including the sun anyway? I celebrate the creator of all things on Sunday and I do it willingly with everything that is within me. As Christians this is what we are to do. Parts of the old testament show Saturday, parts of the new testament show Sunday. The bible says not to let anyone judge you on your choice of Sabbath. All I want to encourage  you to do is worship Jesus Christ and not judge others when they do the same.

[Sarah2013]

[Sarah2013]

Well said, Joshua. It is sounding so redundant on this Sunday/Saturday worship day. I wish that was really the only problem with Wmscog. However, it’s not. The idea of Zhang aka mother and the idea of Ahang being the Holy Spirit and last Adam is my bone of contention. Along with every other mind control tactics. I’m sorry but this is bigger than Saturday or Sunday Worship.

[Joshua]

I agree, this is only one of the issues in question. Really I would just hope that this topic could be seen as the dividing and destructive topic that it has been made out to be.

[Sarah2013]

Here is why your point is valid. If Wmscog wants to keep at this day of worship as important, then we can just all become senseless and assume as you stated on Saturn.

Saturn is the sixth planet from the Sun and the second largest planet in the Solar System, after Jupiter. Named after the Roman god Saturn, its astronomical symbol represents the god’s sickle.

The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is almost perfectly spherical and consists of hot plasma interwoven with magnetic fields.

This is obsurd and ludicrous.

[Sarah2013]

Thanks for your analysis on that.

[Sarah2013]

Those who worshipped the sun, from my understand did so directly worship the Sun and not Son. When we start to pull out scripture distorting it to our benefit we make a mockery out of the Word of God. Sound wisdom is the key here and not pulling out scripture like a kid picking his nose.

[Joshua]

Now that's funny right there! I don't care who you are.

[emil]

I have said some of this before and some of it is new.

I believe God instituted the sabbath to ensure even slaves would get rest. As to the worship of God, let me tell you something. I went to church this morning and worshipped God. Today is Friday for me. Is God angry with me? I shall also go tomorrow and again on Sunday. Same question.

Every morning I spend about 30 minutes praying and worshipping God. Every evening I read the bible. Am I virtuous once and sinning the other 6 days? I believe every day is God's day. Sunday is special for me because my Lord rose from the dead on that day. I therefore avoid unnecessary things like grocery shopping and thus spend a little more time worshipping. So is God angry with me for that?

In my country, most people have a Sunday off. Not that many have a Saturday off. In quite a few towns here, there are power shortages and hence the weekly off day is set area-wise. So you would have people having a weekly off on Monday or Wednesday or Thursday. Does God want them to give up their jobs in order to keep the OT sabbath?

In the middle East, Friday is the weekly off and a few also get Thursday off. Should they all give up their jobs? The various churches in those countries have their main weekly services on Fridays. Are those people worshipping Allah?

Conclusion: Jesus came down heavily on those who tried to enforce the letter of the law without understanding its spirit. It is time we did the same. Stop judging others. Only God will judge us at the appointed time.

[Joshua]

I like and agree with most of what you said. There is only one part that I have issue with and that is part of your last statement. I don't believe that we are to never judge but we are to first judge ourselves before we judge others. Remove the log from our own eye before we try and help remove the spinter from our brothers eye. The same way that we judge others will be the same way we are judged. This will land like a ton of bricks on those who are very judgemental of others. Keep up the worship of Jesus Christ my friend. You have a brother here that really respects that in you.

[emil]

Agree to disagree on that. I don't want to judge others. Unfortunately that does not always happen in practice. Human weakness.

[Sarah2013]

I like that, Emil. Good point! i Just learned some good points from you. May God continue to grant you wisdom.

And yes, Joshua. Once we can see, we can then pick out the log from another.

[fromtheotherside]

Hey Joshua, can you provide me with the verse in Rev, that say's the Lord's day is sunday? 

[angelwings]

Hello Joshua, I have some questions. What are the manmade traditions that people who believe in God are supposedly keeping and forfieting their place in heaven, that the bible is talking about, innocent question.

Personally I always felt sunday was not in the bible.  You have to agree that there are many people from all denominations of christianity not just sabbatarians, that share the same thoughts, that sunday can't be found in the bible.  Then can you explain why they are wrong and you are right?  I'm pretty sure they are just as smart and well versed as any of us, or are they? Thanks

[Smurf]

I don't like the whole division Saturday is for the Jews, Sunday is for the gentiles. The day of rest is ONE. 6 days work – one day rest. God doesn's rest on Saturday AND Sunday. Only one.

[Sarah2013]

Yes, Smurf. I hear you, which was why I showed that analysis of Sun and Saturn. Wmscog say Sunday worship is Sun worship, so when Joshua made his post, I elaborated on that. If Sunday is Sun worship then Saturday is Saturn Worship. It all sounds ludicrous, right.

[Joshua]

angelwings wrote:

Hello Joshua, I have some questions. What are the manmade traditions that people who believe in God are supposedly keeping and forfieting their place in heaven, that the bible is talking about, innocent question.

Personally I always felt sunday was not in the bible.  You have to agree that there are many people from all denominations of christianity not just sabbatarians, that share the same thoughts, that sunday can't be found in the bible.  Then can you explain why they are wrong and you are right?  I'm pretty sure they are just as smart and well versed as any of us, or are they? Thanks

 AW, please understand that I am not trying to insult you or anything like that with my response. The first thing you asked was not a question but rather a statement. When I am thrown something like this I feel that the comment invalidates itself. It is a comment that is designed to trap a person one way or another. It's a damed if you do and you're damed if you don't kind of entrapment. Many people have tried this here but you will have to forgive me for not willingly putting myself into a snare.

As for your next comments I want you to do two things and your question will be well answered because of your efforts. 1) Reread my origional post especially the part about not making this topic a we're right so you're wrong kind of thing. 2) Read what happened and when it happened after Jesus resurrected from the dead. When did He resurrect, when did he meet with believers, when did He break bread, when did the Holy Spirit come? The answers to these questions will show you what you need to know.

The Bible states that we are not to judge when people choose to Sabbath only that we are to Sabbath. Please reread my origional post. Thank you.

[Love'n Honey]

Smurf wrote:

I don't like the whole division Saturday is for the Jews, Sunday is for the gentiles. The day of rest is ONE. 6 days work – one day rest. God doesn's rest on Saturday AND Sunday. Only one.

The bible says God doesn't rest at all. Though in Gen it says he rested on the 7th day but some place in the NT, it says he was at work and still is.

Sarah2013 wrote:

Yes, Smurf. I hear you, which was why I showed that analysis of Sun and Saturn. Wmscog say Sunday worship is Sun worship, so when Joshua made his post, I elaborated on that. If Sunday is Sun worship then Saturday is Saturn Worship. It all sounds ludicrous, right.

I think it was more toward the origin. Because when people celebrate Christmas, they aren't celebrating it like the people celebrated Saturnalia. Which brings up a question that I didn't see answered that I asked some months ago. Today, worshipping on Sunday isn't Sun God worship but "you're" doing what the people did to worship the Sun God on the same day. Idk if people worshipped Saturn on Saturday, though. But when I read your post I was like, 'BOOM! In yo' face!!!' Lol

[Joshua]

Just a little something I found a few minutes ago:

The only example of the Lord's supper being practiced by Christians is in Acts 20:7, on Sunday. 

This is just for your information not to get into a dispute about.

[Love'n Honey]

Joshua wrote:

Just a little something I found a few minutes ago:

The only example of the Lord's supper being practiced by Christians is in Acts 20:7, on Sunday. 

This is just for your information not to get into a dispute about.

Too late for that! =)

Question, is there a difference between the Lord's Supper and PO? Are we talking about the bread and wine that Jesus and His disciples participated in before His crux when referring to the Lord's Supper or PO?

Question, does this verse 'justify' [for lack of better terms] Sunday service vs Saturday service? If so, how does the Lord's Supper [or PO depending on the answer of the 1st question] tell us when the NT Sabbath is, if it does at all?

All these questions came to mind after reading your post.

[Sarah2013]

Renita, this is my take on this. For example, do you know that the illuminati s’ (whether we believe or not) own a lot of the businesses, banks, fast food chains, car dealerships, entertainment industry and so on. If we focused too much on that thought we would run out of places to eat, bank, you get my point. Of course one had to understand what an illuminati is. We won’t get into that here though.

I asked what I would be called if I started a church, it’s a big business, and instead of Sunday or Saturday decided we worship on Thursday. Not much answer came forth except Saturday is worship day. Still didn’t answer my question. So my point and to your response to me, worshipping Jesus Christ on Sunday is not the same as worshipping the sun. If we go by that, then a lot of things we do today can be associated with all sorts of things.

We have gone on and on about this and I find it throws us off the main focus of why this site exists. Don’t you think?

[Love'n Honey]

No I don't think talking about that throws off the main focus of this site. The purpose of this site is to expose the lies of the WMSCOG and to help other people understand how the WMSCOG manipulates people. The more we talk about how the WMSCOG explains certain verses in their favor or how other 'better' Christians explain certain verses in 'their' favor, the better the chances that one of us might say something that will light a bulb in a member's head. All this time I've been coming to this site and I've only read about the 10 talents one time. It may have been mentioned before and I may have overlooked it or read it but didn't pay attention to it. But after I read that today, it made me realize that we actually did have a quota. People here keep saying recruiting but until I was reminded about the 10 talents, I never viewed preaching as recruiting. Though I'm out this organization, more and more of my dusty light bulbs are being lit by repeating these conversations. It's like chewing the cud. Plus, I still don't understand why one person says Acts 20 is speaking about the Sunday worship while another person says it's the Lord's Supper. Is the Lord's supper the PO the WMSCOG speaks of? And if so, where is the wine in Acts 20?

Some of my questions here are independent of trying to disprove the WMSCOG. Some of my questions are aimed to understand what you people are understanding from the Scripture. And you never know, what you understand may help me understand the Scripture the way God intended.