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Victim Mentality, (taken from wiki)
Psychological research into attribution began with the work of Fritz Heider during the early years of the 20th century. In his 1920's dissertation Heider addressed a fundamental problem of phenomenology; why do perceivers attribute the properties of an object they sense, such as its color, texture and so on, to the object itself when those properties exist only in their minds? Heider's answer was to consider the object being perceived and the physical media by which it is sensed – the ticking of a watch causing vibrations in the air for instance – to be quite distinct, and that what the perceiver's senses do is to reconstruct an object from its effect on the media, a process he called attribution. "Perceivers faced with sensory data thus see the perceptual object as 'out there', because they attribute the sensory data to their underlying causes in the world."
Heider subsequently extended his ideas to the question of how people perceive each other, and in particular how they account for each other's behavior, person perception. Motives played an important role in Heider's model: "motives, intentions, sentiments … the core processes which manifest themselves in overt behavior". Heider distinguished between personal causality – such as offering someone a drink – and impersonal causality such as sneezing, or leaves falling. Later attribution theorists have tended to see Heider's fundamental distinction as being between "person (or internal) causes and situation (or external) causes of behavior.
There are two types of "victim mentalities"
1. Explanatory attribution: People make explanatory attributions to understand the world around them and to seek reasons for a particular event.
Ex. If Kermit's car tire is punctured he may attribute that to a hole in the road: by making attributions to the poor condition of the highway, he can make sense of the event without any discomfiture that may in reality have been the result of his bad driving.
2. Interpersonal attribution (many ex members fall under this category) Sometime, when your action or motives for the action are questioned, you need to explain the reasons for you action, interspersonal attributions happen when the causes of the events involve two or more individuals.
Ex. Grouch had a fight with the Cookie Monster because C.M wouldn't share his cookies. So when Big Bird asked what the fight was about, Grouch says its because C.M wouldn't share his cookies even though he asked politely, so to make himself the victim, and C.M the bad guy he also fails to mention the fact that Grouch had already asked for a cookie 5 mins before that and again 5 mins before and again and again, and had practically eaten all of C.M's Cookies.
Ex. For ex members: Cindy L. went with her friend to a church bible study, because her friend Robert D. really enjoyes going and was always bragging to her about her church. So Cindy went there and studied and really liked what she heard. Every one there were nice just like Christians should be and showed her love. But when she went home she thought she might look up the church to learn some more about it. She saw slanderous remarks and got angry. Next thing you know it she goes on the forum and starts leaving angry words and says her friend tricked and they tried to brain washer her into joining the Church, but she fails to point out the fact she came willingly and no one handcuffed her into coming, but makes it the church and her friends fault and they are the bad guys.
So there are two types which one are you?
144000 wrote:
I've explained it, you don't get it.
Whatever.
FTOS is right and the more assumptions you keep making the more obvious it is that someone with Victim Mentality is bending the truth to slander us.
I have nothing more to say, this is sufficient for anyone to read how bonkers some of you people are.
I'm sure you'll continue to login just so you can continue to call us liars and slanderers. You cant slander a lie!
So anyone who doesn’t believe a Korean woman living presently in South Korea is god then we are bonkers. Hilarious, listen to yourself.
Its rich that the ones with a persecution complex accuse others of vicitim mentality
Simon,
Oh, I'm sorry, do I have a persecution complex?
I must have misunderstood the purpose of this website.
Truley I have been mistaken and now I have learned that this website promotes freedom of religion and open-minded acceptance of what organizations people choose to become a part of.
Surely it doesn't attack any churches, or heavan's forbid, target a single one to harass and defame.
Surely I am the one who has a complex.
/sarcasm
The purpose of this website is to EXAMINE the wmscog, which is what is being done. We are examining the doctrine, finding the flaws, exposing the deceptive practices this church engages in, etc.
The purpose is not to examine other churches or religions because the WMSCOG is the most destructive, manipulative and money hungry of all groups.
You’re the only one naive enough to think we’re persecuting that group because you’re allegedly the “true” church. If in fact you belonged to the true church no one would be able to find ANY fault. My God (One & only) is perfect. Your gods Ash and Zhang are NOT gods, but false prophets. So at this website we will continue to find all of the flaws in your doctrine using the Bible and only the bible.
If the shoe fits…….
Simon wrote:
Its rich that the ones with a persecution complex accuse others of vicitim mentality
Agreed!
Disturbed,
And by "Examine" you mean call people frauds and brainwashed.
Totally not antagonistic at all.
Very fair and compassionate of you to say.
Get over yourself, at least have the decency to admit that this entire website and most of its advocates have openly admitted that their goal, even yours, is to try to "ruin" us. At least be honest and get off your high horse.
At least have the decency to admit that you people have organized and participated in picketing against us and a few select people have even participated in harassment and I quote "trolling".
That is not "Examining" I think the word in the dictionary you are looking for is "attacking".
You need to learn the difference between persecution and criticism
Your church is a fraud. I cannot help but tell the truth. Your church is linked to a shell company called Bigshine that brings in millions of dollars in revenue each year.
Brainwashed…yes, the members are brainwashed. I was a brainwashed member also. Afraid to leave the church because the world was going to end, father’s coming any day now…oh no, mother prayed for more time. Nothing but doom & gloom there. No happiness.
Yes some people have picketed the church, with the goal of helping the brothers & sisters see the truth about your church. Michele would not be able to file her lawsuit against the church with the claims she has made without tangible truth.
I challenge you…pull a Dun and Bradstreet report on the WMSCOG. You will be amazed at what you find. I pray the Koreans don’t leave you holding the proverbial bag when they’re shut down (unless you’re on the payroll too)
I was shocked by what I saw and saddened. I thought I belonged to the true church. When I found out about the lies you bet I was pissed the heck off. Do I want anyone to be a member there knowing what I know? HELL NO!!! Let me know if you take me up on the challenge.
Sure Simon, please educate me about it.
Which part of picketing is not persecution?
Which part of calling us bad names is not persecution?
Which part of accusing us of brainwashing is merely criticism, so that I don't over-react or feel like my intelligence has been offended at all?
Which part of using the word "cult" is merely fair criticism and not antagonistic at all?
Surely I have misunderstood the intentions of the membership here.
They are never offensive and don't attack my faith at all.
/sarcasm
None of those are persecution
Want an example of ACTUAL persecution?
144000 wrote:
Sure Simon, please educate me about it.
Which part of picketing is not persecution?
Which part of calling us bad names is not persecution?
Which part of accusing us of brainwashing is merely criticism, so that I don't over-react or feel like my intelligence has been offended at all?
Which part of using the word "cult" is merely fair criticism and not antagonistic at all?
Surely I have misunderstood the intentions of the membership here.
They are never offensive and don't attack my faith at all.
/sarcasm
You guys are everything you have quoted so sue me, brother. You step out all the way from Korea to make fools out of people who are innocent and call that church? All the way from Korea you feel you know what happens here?
This one too…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Staines
WMSCOG feared persecution in the first place and to avoid it very tactfully carried their preaching work in secret or targeted a person at a mall or on door to door basis. Also tried to gain worldwide attention through cleaup campaign, blood donation.(wolf in sheep clothing). They will flee from persecution like they do when unable to answer simple questions here and do not hesitate to take people to courts. So how can this be a true church????
Elaine wrote:
This one too…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Staines
WMSCOG feared persecution in the first place and to avoid it very tactfully carried their preaching work in secret or targeted a person at a mall or on door to door basis. Also tried to gain worldwide attention through cleaup campaign, blood donation.(wolf in sheep clothing). They will flee from persecution like they do when unable to answer simple questions here and do not hesitate to take people to courts. So how can this be a true church????
The sad thing is some of the members know this but disregard their gut feeling. How can you follow behind a church who has so many conflicting issues? Makes no rational sense. The only thing I can see is manipulation (mind control in the highest order).
What is being called "persecution" is in fact a challenging of what is being taught at the WMSCOG. This is not "persecution" at all. What it is is a discovery and revelation of what is right and wrong. For members of the WMSCOG when it's discovered that things are wrong and don't add up they feel threatened. This is a normal reaction. What is not normal is how they've been programmed to react to anything or anyone that challenges what is taught and/or believed. I still believe that the majority of the people at the WMSCOG are good people that are trying to do the right thing. They want the truth and salvation. I hate the idea that this group has twisted things in the manner that they have. Jesus told us, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me!" The Bible also tells us that if ANYONE comes preaching a different doctrine than what Jesus and the Apostles taught do not believe them! There has not been one single member of the WMSCOG that has been able to show me that Jesus and/or the apostles EVER taught anyone about placing your faith in multiple gods or there being a god the mother. Only by twisting scriptures can you create a doctrine that believes anything like this! I will repeat, I hate this about the WMSCOG! If I had the truth and I was only willing to share it with only a few people I would have to reexamine myself. This is what this whole website is about! You don't have to like or agree with what people post on this forum but it is here to help you reevaluate what you believe and what you're trapped in. This so called "persecution" is really an attempt to wake you up and get you really thinking for yourself about right and wrong. There is too much wrong in the WMSCOG for it to be even remotely close to being a true church. Wake up folks! We care about you too much not to share what we've discovered with you.
Sarah2013 wrote:
The sad thing is some of the members know this but disregard their gut feeling.
There is a Bible verse that the original wording addresses gut feeling; that when we get that gut feeling that something is wrong that we should listen to those feelings!
But…I have forgotten the verse.
Can anyone help in this regard?
Picketing is a recognized form of protest in any but the most authoritarian and dictatorial setup. All the other things like name calling, etc. that you allude to, you guys have been doing it more systematically to the established mainstream churches and you don't think it is persecution when you do it. In fact what you guys do is slander because it is entirely false. You yourselves have failed to prove the truth of those accusations time and again.
Questioninginla wrote:
Sarah2013 wrote:
The sad thing is some of the members know this but disregard their gut feeling.
There is a Bible verse that the original wording addresses gut feeling; that when we get that gut feeling that something is wrong that we should listen to those feelings!
But…I have forgotten the verse.
Can anyone help in this regard?
If it's in the Bible, I'll find it. Thank God (the real God) for the internet and smart people (not Albert though)
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