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Every now and then I flip through some of my wms literature and come across something that stands out to me and I ask myself: Where did they get that from? or Where does it say that in the Bible? I started this thread so that we can discuss quotes that are found in wms official literature or websites. Here are some examples of what I have come across lately.
"Without putting on Mother's love, none of us can enter the kingdom of heaven; we are expelled from heaven, we can never enter by ourselves." God The Father And God The Mother p.159
See Renita, if that be the case as they claimed, how can that be accurate since when God created Adam and Eve they were sinless and though God is all knowing, at that time no salvation was necessary until they actually sinned.
Sarah2013 wrote:
Is that what they said or you are referencing what Jesus said.
The whole thing about the age of salvation beginning with Adam and Eve is what the WMSCOG says and what I taught.
Sarah, I started learning things from the bible from my friend, I was never into religion, but I believed there was & is a God.
that's why I like coming here and hearing all the different religions post and debates, makes me want to study more and more and seek the truth.
The teaching is flawed and has proven itself to be. Look at all of Ahang and zhang’s failed prophesy. I believe Ahang isn’t as guilty as the ones left behind after him but all their predictions so far has failed and will continue to fail. If she were God then she would know all things even in her human form.
I know friends. We are in sync in our reasoning. I totally see where you all are coming from. I’m just delving into this so with all our views backed with scripture we can see what really is.
Either Mother is not God, which is what I believe, or Mother doesn't know everything, which is also what I believe.
Rentia I agree!
that is why i say NO ONE< NO ONE, OOOOOOO can know the time or day.(felt like singing)
You know when I told my friend that aside from saying Mother said so, he also said the bible says no one will know the hour or the day but it doesn't say anything about the year.
and mother said father is coming in 2012…………………..
to a theater need you..need some popcorn with xbutter & large coke please.
Sarah2013 wrote:
See Renita, if that be the case as they claimed, how can that be accurate since when God created Adam and Eve they were sinless and though God is all knowing, at that time no salvation was necessary until they actually sinned.
The WMSCOG, I'm really getting tired of typing that btw, believes that Adam and Eve were not sinnless. Gen 3:6 They use this verse to say that Eve always had the sinful desire. Just because you don't act on your sin yet doesn't make you sinless so to speak. God knew they were going to sin so He already had the plan of 6,000 years to save us.
I had an idea about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity might be better understood by thinking about water. Water has three forms: Solid, Liquid, and Vapor or Gas. Obviously Jesus (God in the flesh) would be viewed as the solid form. The Holy Spirit would be the vapor or gas form. God the Father is the liquid. All of the forms are water but they each have their own characteristics. Just as God is in everything so is water. Even in the hardest rock there are trace amounts of water. This is just a random thought I had. Feel free to comment or correct me if you want to.
Sarah2013 wrote:
The teaching is flawed and has proven itself to be. Look at all of Ahang and zhang's failed prophesy. I believe Ahang isn't as guilty as the ones left behind after him but all their predictions so far has failed and will continue to fail. If she were God then she would know all things even in her human form.
I agree the teaching is flawed. I just want to make sure I say what I learned and try to clear up what people say about the WMSCOG that isn't true. It's like saying that I said 1+1=3 when really I said 1+1=4. Though both are wrong, I just want to make sure you get what I said right. =)
Kim wrote:
Either Mother is not God, which is what I believe, or Mother doesn't know everything, which is also what I believe.
Rentia I agree!
Why do you keep calling me Rentia? lol..
Joshua wrote:
I had an idea about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Trinity might be better understood by thinking about water. Water has three forms: Solid, Liquid, and Vapor or Gas. Obviously Jesus (God in the flesh) would be viewed as the solid form. The Holy Spirit would be the vapor or gas form. God the Father is the liquid. All of the forms are water but they each have their own characteristics. Just as God is in everything so is water. Even in the hardest rock there are trace amounts of water. This is just a random thought I had. Feel free to comment or correct me if you want to.
This is the exact example they give. The only difference is they say water, ice, and steam are forms of H2O. Also, this thread is about the Ages right now, not the Trinity. I don't want to get off topic. =)
Me too, Kim and Renita. I too have learned a lot even from errors. That’s the good thing about God, He knows how to prove his word. Failed predictions, among other things, will always prove itself wrong. My key word as I had written earlier is “the way they have chosen to present it.” Believe me it sounds very convincing but presents contradictions that are visible.
oh my I'm sorry Renita! my bad ๐
Kim wrote:
oh my I'm sorry Renita! my bad ๐
You are forgiven. =)
True, Renita. And to understand if they have got it right or wrong, don’t you feel the three in one God has to be understood? I understand they have separate teachings, so divided with random pulled scriptures, making it easy for them to implement their greater intentions.
Does anyone have any idea what the new name in Rev 3 and Rev 2 mean? They use these verses to say that in the Age of the HS, God will come with a New Name.
Sarah2013 wrote:
True, Renita. And to understand if they have got it right or wrong, don't you feel the three in one God has to be understood? I understand they have separate teachings, so divided with random pulled scriptures, making it easy for them to implement their greater intentions.
I don't think you need to know the Trinity to understand what they are saying about the existence of 3 ages. Even if you believe the Father, Son, and HS are 3 seperate Gods, it doesn't change the 'extistence' of 3 ages. Actually, that would still make sense to me. 3 different Gods, 3 different ages. But either way, whether you believe the Father, Son, and HS are 1 God or 3 Gods, it doesn't change the 3 ages.
Remember also the way they teach “Coming in the Cloud.? Yet, didnt Jesus physically ascend via the clouds physically after he rose from the dead and met with his disciples? They watched him as He ascended until they could see him no more. Acts 1: 9-11. I also know that they use the coming in a cloud teaching for how Jesus was Born and to justify how they claim Ahang was born. Once again, they do just the same thing with this also. Two angels said exactly how Jesus would return in Acts 1:9-1. What they have done is to gather scriptures out of place for their analysis. Scriptures such as Jude 1:10-13; proverbs 25: 14; John 4:7-13 and so on. All the more negating the very words those two men said about how Jesus would come back as the disciples looked on. It is a carefully crafted manipulation of scripture.
The presentation is wrong. World ages maybe but not God ages.
Yea, the part where the cloud hid Him would imply that the verse was literal. But what about the clouds of people in Jude 1:12?
I found this, maybe you can compare to what you were taught,
There are several meanings, depending on which text you are referring to; however the Bible is very literal and the definition and use of this word is either self explanatory, or a description is included in the passage, such as Joel 2:2 "a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes…" referencing the same meaning as Ezekiel 38:9 "You and all your troops… Advancing like a storm, you will be like a cloud covering the land…"
For instance, in Genesis 9, "clouds" refers to clouds in the sky, as we see them.
In Exodus 13 & 14, The Lord and his angel(s) appeared in clouds similar to a pillar of smoke
In Exodus 40, it was a dense fog
In Lamentations 2 & 3, the clouds are like foreboding, cloaking shadows
Hebrews 12:1 refers to a large gathering of people, once again self explanatory: "surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses"
Jude 12 describes men, in the following text: "These men are blemishes… Clouds without rain blown along by the wind"
Revelations 1:7 "He is coming with the clouds" is literal, fulfilling Daniel 7:13 and Matthew 24:30 :clouds of the sky, or clouds of Heaven.
In Matthew 24:30; 26:64; Mark 13:26; 14:62; Luke 21:27; I Thessalonians 4:17; when the reference is made as either "in the clouds" or "on the clouds", that's what it means: There is no reason or cause to speculate that "well, he really meant <this> or <that> or <like a cloud>". These passages don't even lend themselves for the need for other interpretation – we know that He is coming in the sky, and we will go to meet Him in the sky, so why speculate that <clouds doesn't mean "cloud" clouds, but a group of people>? Christ is coming, and those of us who know Him are going. THAT is all that matters!
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