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Every now and then I flip through some of my wms literature and come across something that stands out to me and I ask myself: Where did they get that from? or Where does it say that in the Bible? I started this thread so that we can discuss quotes that are found in wms official literature or websites. Here are some examples of what I have come across lately.
"Without putting on Mother's love, none of us can enter the kingdom of heaven; we are expelled from heaven, we can never enter by ourselves." God The Father And God The Mother p.159
<sup class=”versenum”>24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— <sup class=”versenum”>25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
From what I can gather only through Jesus Christ…regardless of the age…we can be saved. What do you guys think….
Then what's the new name in Rev 3:12?
I am not completely sure when the new name will be revealed and to whom. I think you are getting away from the point of my answer….<sup class=”versenum”>24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— <sup class=”versenum”>25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen
Regardless of the new name that is revealed it is still Jesus Christ that has the power to save you and no one else. Please feel free to consult the scriptures more. I hav to go until tomorrow though, so please dont think I am avoiding your comments. Thanks….
I don't think smurf is getting away from the point. I think smurf just has a question. I, too, would like to know what Jesus meant by new name in Rev 2 and in Rev 3. The WMSCOG does use these verses in the study about the 3 ages.
As for the three ages. Those three are constant throughout time and history. No way to have one without the other two. They are three but all the same one. That teaching they presented doesn’t appear to correspond with the three in one meaning. To say they are three separate entities means they are not one. It seemed accurate when they first taught it to me, but it doesn’t now.
I don't understand what you're saying Sarah. They don't preach that the 3 are seperate. The 3 ages is taught much like the Trinity.
my friend told me that we have been on earth for 6,ooo years, therefore 2,ooo yrs for the father, 2,000 yrs the son and 2,000 yrs the Holy Spirit. The 3 ages.
I need to know exactly how many years since Jesus walked the earth, because as far as I can remember people have been saying it's been 2,000 yrs but it's being years I first heared about it from others so would not that make it like 2,000 plus yrs.
oh and another thing I saw on my friends book, the green one I think where Ahnsanghong said in (1982) or so or when the book was published, anyway he said something like it's being 1,900 since Jesus walked the earth so from that point we still needed 100 yrs to complete the 2,000 and Ahnsanghong died in 1985 so that's 28 yrs ago, therefore the years since Jesus walked the earth (according to what Ahn said) should now be around 1,928 yrs, which means we still need 72 yrs for the 2,000 mark.
do you guys follow what I'm saying? If anyone can verify the year the book was written and see for yourself the 1, 900 years he speaks of( if I remember correctly). Thanks!
another question since the age of the father & the son ended after 2,000 yrs and the age of the H.S. began, should it not end also after 2,ooo years. I dunno just my thought!
and where in the bible are the 3 ages time period shown.
Kim wrote:
my friend told me that we have been on earth for 6,ooo years, therefore 2,ooo yrs for the father, 2,000 yrs the son and 2,000 yrs the Holy Spirit. The 3 ages.
If that's what your friend said, then that person taught you incorrectly because that's not what the WMSCOG teaches and it doesn't even kinda fit the history. It's been about 2,000 years since Jesus' death. I don't think it's been a full 2,000 years yet. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jesus died around 30AD. It's 2013AD which means 2,000 years hasn't passed yet. Idk if you had the study about the Reality of the Passover but it's about when the truth of the NC PO will be revealed in the last day. Just like the Israelites entered Canaan shortly after the PO was restored in the shadow, the reality is when the NC PO is restored in our time, the time for us to enter heaven is very close. According to that study, the destruction should happen long before 2,000 years after the NC PO is restored. The time periods are not shown in an 'obvious' way. They say that when Jesus commanded the people to pray in His name, that marks the beginning of the Age of the Son because Jesus is now the name of the Saviour. I asked how do we know when the Age of the Holy Spirit began. I was told that we don't know exactly when it began but we know we are living in the new age. It would make sense to me that when ASH said we ought to pray in His name that would tell us we're in this new age. But He didn't..
I don't remember everything he told me to the exact, but basically that's how he broke it down, with the 3 ages. But thanks for clarifying.
According to Wmscog, we are in what they call the age of the Holy Spirit now, right? They often reference Ecclesiastes 3:1 when speaking of the Savior of Each Age. “There is a time for the name of the Father and a time for the name of the Son. Everything has an expiration date. The expiration of the name of Jehovah. When ages change, the Savior’s name should be changed.” This is how they justify that. According to Ecclesiastes 3:1, notice it says a time for everything under heaven and not in heaven. Heaven remains the same at this scripture. There is neither beginning nor end for God. Jesus was in the beginning. In the beginning was the Word and the Word Was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
We are in the midst of God, the father, Son and Holy Spirit always and not God in our midst. We are bound by time not God. If they were divided into ages then all ages ought to have different things, other than names proving that age. For example, it would be more understood this way, the age of the father, he reveals his mighty powers through out the Old Testament. The son, Jesus is born. He too reveals he is God in several ways including death. Holy Spirit ???? I am yet to see what this age holds based on Wmscog teaching, save failed prophesies since the time of Ahang. If anything, we are under grace and in the book of Revelation. That teaching was made up simply to introduce Ahang as God to accommodate their intent.
In the Old Testament Jesus was present just not in the flesh. So was the Holy Spirit. Jesus only came in the flesh to redeem sinners- the world. Yet he was still operating as all. Though in the flesh, he was sinless.
They rationalise this truth to explain why a modern man or woman could be God. That is blasphemy, if you ask me. The Holy Spirit was and is always the Holy Spirt. It is Jehovah God. It is Jesus the Christ.
I’m sorry, I just don’t agree with that three age teaching as they present it. It is for that reason that they were able to come up with Ahang. No amount of scripture should change this truth. There are no three ages as they present it. As we keep delving and examining, we will find loop holes.
Yea, I don't remember much either and I was a teacher. But I do remember automatically seperating each age into 2,000 years because I like for things to be even. It's part of my self diagnosed OCD. I even eat my sandwich in as even bites as I can get it. =) But the Age of the Father is closer to 3,500, the Son 1,900 which leaves 600 years for the Age of the HS if I got the number right. I also remember being told that Father was supposed to have come already and destroy the earth but Mother supposedly prayed for Him to give us more time to change. We're living on 'borrowed time' as I was told.
I see what you mean Sarah, but it's not only the WMS that speak of the 3 ages, I heared of that from other random people way before my friend told me about it. But I don't see it in the bible.
Ok, Kim. So tell me what did those non wmscog people say the 3rd age was about? What did they say about the Holy Spirit? I would like to know.
Jesus said no one would know the time or the hour, not even the angels, this would include mother too!
Sarah, I can understand what you're saying about there not being any ages in heaven but that's not what the WMSCOG teaches. They're saying that the ages were given to us for our salvation here on earth. Though no one knew Jesus, we can still say He existed in the beginning and even now. In fact, those who knew Jehovah knew Jesus because Jesus is Jehovah. But Jehovah was still God even before He gave His name to the people on earth. Even before He created Adam and Eve. But it was when God created Adam and Eve that the age for salvation began. This is what the WMSCOG is saying.
Is that what they said or you are referencing what Jesus said.
Sarah2013 wrote:
Ok, Kim. So tell me what did those non wmscog people say the 3rd age was about? What did they say about the Holy Spirit? I would like to know.
honestly I can't remember it well but when my friend was talking to me about it, I agreed but only because I had heared about it in advance. I never went to the bible to verify it until recently and I don't see anything on it in the bible.
does the 7day adventist or JW teach that, what about the catholics???
Kim wrote:
Jesus said no one would know the time or the hour, not even the angels, this would include mother too!
But it can't include Mother because Mother is 'God' and 'God' knows everything. That verse includes Jesus but Jesus very well knew when the end would come because He is God. If anyone were to argue that He didn't know they are arguing either Jesus was not God or God doesn't know everything. And the same goes for Mother. Either Mother is not God, which is what I believe, or Mother doesn't know everything, which is also what I believe.
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