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Every now and then I flip through some of my wms literature and come across something that stands out to me and I ask myself: Where did they get that from? or Where does it say that in the Bible? I started this thread so that we can discuss quotes that are found in wms official literature or websites. Here are some examples of what I have come across lately.
"Without putting on Mother's love, none of us can enter the kingdom of heaven; we are expelled from heaven, we can never enter by ourselves." God The Father And God The Mother p.159
Yea, people try to tell me I can and can't do things all the time. I try anyway.. I think it's because I'm a rebel at heart.
You and this your rebel. Lol. You don’t appear to be a rebel. Though, it depends on what you are rebelling about.
Renita, there is an old saying that a mad man doesn’t believe he is mad. I don’t believe you are anything but a loving child of God. Sue me. Lol.
I rebel about everything. I remember I was in the car with a friend who was driving. He said the light was red. I successfully convinced him that the light was actually blue but appeared to us as red. I did that just to go against what he said. =)
Girl….. You are militant. Lol.
I had to look that word up. It describes me very well. Btw, I sent you a message.
Who?
Here is a quote from a JW publication, Our Kingdom Ministry 9/2002 (for Britain), page 8: God’s Appointed Channel: Bear in mind that our heavenly Father has an appointed channel of communication, “the faithful and discreet slave.” That “slave” has the responsibility to determine what information is made available to the household of faith, as well as “the proper time” for it to be dispensed. This spiritual food is available only through the theocratic organization. We should always look to God’s appointed channel for reliable information, not to a network of Internet users. — Matt.24:45. Notice how they try to twist a scripture to fit into their teaching that they and they alone are God’s channel. There are many other examples like that.
Emily wrote:
Ook I know which verse you are referring to. I think it's Matthew 28:19-20. Who was Jesus talking to when he said these words? Was he addressing the believing members of the congregation? Verse 16 tells us that Jesus was addressing the 11 disciples. I am not saying that Chrisitans shouldn't share the good news with others, but I don't think this verse was a command for the general population of believers since we do not all baptize, nor are we all meant to be teachers.
He says to teach them to obey everything he commanded them which is in itself a command making it recursive and spread to all christians
Emily wrote:
Every now and then I flip through some of my wms literature and come across something that stands out to me and I ask myself: Where did they get that from? or Where does it say that in the Bible?
I believe what you will find if you research is that people tend to do post hoc analysis. This is to say that people are presented with something and then tend to find information that supports their hypothesis rather than spend time disproving themselves – they’d rather others disprove them, unless – of course – faith is concerned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-hoc_analysis(or your own search engine of choice)
Deuteronomy vs Jonah
Event: Prophecy
Judgement: Prophecy fails
Complication(s): internal stress, wanting to believe, post hoc reasoning & analysis
Expectation: discovery of truth
When internalized stressors are at play, and one is psychologically unaware of the processes (both internally (individual), and externally (group/society)) that are at play, one will simply seek to reduce stress in its most economical form. That is to say, reducing stress takes priority – unbeknownst to the individual affected.
Deuteronomy 18:22 is clear that if what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not come true, then that is a message that the Lord has not spoken.
The story of Jonah is more abstract, or more difficult to understand, comprehend, and communicate. The reasons for the Jonah lesson could be many. It is referred to in Christ’s suffering due to the number of days in the belly and it also is a story of how a city changes its ways. In short, it is a fairly large target for post-hoc reasoning.
Post-hoc reasoning is taking what we know today and applying it to past events to see if it fits. Thus, when one looks at Deuteronomy it is clear that prophecy has failed, but reality tells us that stress is still at play. Jonah often relieves this stress. Which one is a correct interpretation of Scripture?
One must discover it for oneself. In order to attempt to solve this mystery, it is likely best to allow our minds to travel back in time to the actual event . It would be clear that God would have strong caution to us – very strong caution indeed – for to deliver a message about false prophets in such a direct manner in Deuteronomy. Similarly, we should step back in time for a full and comprehensive understanding of the events in Nineveh. Jonah 3:5 states that every last one of the citizens believed God and put on sackcloth. Whether God would require 100% commitment or a commitment of very large numbers to save the world from prophecy of destruction is for God and surely not us, but we must ask the question: “would God warn us with Deuteronomy and be rather anecdotal when it comes to Jonah?”, “how seriously would God want us to consider this matter?” Would God be satisfied with us if we “simply relieved our stress because that is what bothered us so much at the time?”
Very tough questions, and they don’t end with that short list.
As it related to the OP, my post is to illustrate post-hoc reasoning in a specific example to illustrate the overall problem with post-hoc reasoning. That being after the fact one seeks to fit information rather than a comprehensive understanding of how things would have fit if we examine things based upon their originally intended merit and weight, especially when human emotions are involved.
Thus, one considers what one has found is the truth, thereby reinforcing faith. Only a fool fails to reevaluate, for this right is not only God-given, but I argue demanded of us – especially in light of the many messages Christ gives us in warnings about false prophets in the New Testament.
The one thing WMSCOG teaches is in the Bible I haven't seen evidenced is ther claim we need greater faith in the last days than Jesus's Days
Simon wrote:
The one thing WMSCOG teaches is in the Bible I haven't seen evidenced is ther claim we need greater faith in the last days than Jesus's Days
Me neither.
Is there any place in the Bible that specifically states that we are in the age of the Holy Spirit. I remember the wmscog told me that all or at least most theologians know we are in the age of the Holy Spirit. I forget some details about how it was explained, but I wonder if the bible clearly makes the transition from the age of the Son to the age of the Holy Spirit.
I don’t know about all that. I know they teach that, but nothing they say is believable to me. I will count myself out. When they came up with Ahang and Zhang they lost me.
What does greater faith mean to them and why don’t they hold fast to Jesus?
And Jesus said to them, “I never knew you. Get away from me you workers of lawlessness.”
Jesus did say that.
Liberty wrote:
Is there any place in the Bible that specifically states that we are in the age of the Holy Spirit. I remember the wmscog told me that all or at least most theologians know we are in the age of the Holy Spirit. I forget some details about how it was explained, but I wonder if the bible clearly makes the transition from the age of the Son to the age of the Holy Spirit.
If you wanted to find an age of the Holy Spirit, then I'd say it started in Acts 2.
But I don't think the idea of three ages (assuming there are 3 ages), one taking the place of another, is accurate. The "age of the Father" didn't expire with the "age of the Son" which then expired with the "age of the Holy Spirit."
I would picture it as three concentric circles rather than three separate circles in series. The "age of the Father" being the inside circle, then expanding with the "age of the Son" and further expanding with the "age of the Holy Spirit."
Liberty wrote:
Is there any place in the Bible that specifically states that we are in the age of the Holy Spirit. I remember the wmscog told me that all or at least most theologians know we are in the age of the Holy Spirit. I forget some details about how it was explained, but I wonder if the bible clearly makes the transition from the age of the Son to the age of the Holy Spirit.
http://usa.watv.org/truth/truth_life/content_secondcoming.asp#01
It's the short version of the bible study I learned.
You know, have seen a few scritptures that state something about the different ages. I will have to go back and find them but one that comes up right away is the Doxology at the end of Jude. Jude 1:24 . I have seen a couple of others as well….Is that what you guys were asking about?
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