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In another post Emily brought up another concept that I feel deserves its own posting. WMS members are taught that their doctrine is the only real truth. By labeling it as such it leaves no room for discussion or correction. I say this because if anything is brought up that contradicts their teachings then they believe that it can’t be the truth and therefore must be a lie. In the members minds everything that we bring up here seems to be a lie. Only when a WMS member can get past this does the truth become relevant. Only when the truth becomes relevant does the arguments stop. It’s no wonder that some people can’t seem to stop arguing no matter what has been proven or revealed.
shimon wrote:
Joshua wrote:
I know it keeps coming up but can you understand how the issue of divorce keeps haunting the pasts of Ahn and Zahng? Personally I feel that divorce when a man pursues without just cause is worse because he is supposed to be the representation of Jesus Christ in his home. As Jesus is the head of the church we as men are to be the head of our household. In your opinion is my view wrong?
I can see why people would want to talk about it certainly, unfortuenately it is always hard to be sure of a complete story when it comes to a divorce. Both sides lie, make hyperbole, all sorts of stuff.
As far as your second point I am not sure, I CAN see your reasoning I am not sure if I agree though.
Sueno Maruyama wrote:
I know Ahn played around with other women a lot, and may have had children with more than one,
Do you have evidence of this?
Emily wrote:
Shimon,
You bring up an interesting point. It is the unbelieving spouse that leaves in Corinthians. But what about the WMSCOG members that leave their spouses because they are not members of the church? I personally know members who have left their spouses for this reason. Why isn't the WMSCOG counseling their members to stay and reconcile with their spouses? Why do they condone something that, as you cited, God hates?
Okay I do not know the circumstances of their divorces. I do not know if I listed the only biblical exceptions. Also, we cannot know what they are being counseled. People are good at asking advise and when they do not like it thinking "what the ##$@$ does this guy know anyway?" and ignoring it.
But if there really is no other exception and they are advising them to seperate that is certainly strange… can you site a specific example of someone you know or knew who was adivsed to leave without biblical support (who wasn't being severely abused or something because I think that that is generally an exception because I genrally believe that can be defended or atleast forgiven.
Sueno Maruyama wrote:
I know Ahn played around with other women a lot, and may have had children with more than one, but was he divorced at one time? I know Zhang the Mommy was divorced but I wasn't aware that Ahn was …..
According to the NCPCOG, where one of Ahn's sons is still a member today, Ahn never divorced his only legal wife HwangWonSon.
NCPCOG may be incorrect, they do have motive to make ZGJ look like a liar as best they can. They could also be incorect. Many possiblities behind what they say. Further was she still alive Passover 1984? That certainly would resolve that issue pretty easily. There certainly are photographs of ASH and ZGJ in wedding clothes. So the metaphorical wedding certainly happened if there was a divorce or not.
I am told that Hwang Won Son died about three years ago. Why would there need to be "physical" pictures of Ahn and Zhang in wedding outfits to prove some "metaphorical" wedding? I can take pictures in a wedding dress with a random guy, that doesn't make our marriage real. Maybe it was just wishful thinking on their part. Why would they need to marry here on earth if they were always married in heaven? Why couldn't they have just married each other, without the previous spouses? Where is that in the "prophecy"? So did they commit "metaphorical" adultery then?
The pictures are merely for us.
not really
you aren't making an actual point there sorry.
divorce is a huge game of he said she said so we would have to get beyond a reasonable doubt who initiated the divorce very complicated.
I will concede that if ash or zgj initiate a divorce without extra marital affair other party and it will prove and beyond reasonable doubt that would prove that neither of them are God
but for all we know right now is the game he said she said
I feel it makes sense so long as everything else stands
I dunno just doctrine
I understand where you are comming from there is a flawed logic
assuming for the sake of argument of there is a god father and a god the mother
there are 2 possibilities either there spiritual relationship follow through what ever flesh they put on or the spiritual and physical are separate
between the 2 hypothesis I would take separate
this is my reasoning the bible explicitly states it all Christians are brothers and sisters spiritually if this relationship continues into the flesh christians would not be allowed to marry other christians because it would be incest but on the contrary christians are urge to marry only other christians
for example the girl I am in love with her name is sarah she is a christian I am a christian we.have the same father spiritually if I were to ever marry and have sex with her there would be no sin
I also have a physical sister named rebecca we share
a physical mother if we were to get married and have sex that would be gavE sin
. but in heaven she is not my sister because she’s an atheist
so if your sister in heaven is not your sister on earth and your sister on earth is not your sister in heaven why must your husband or wife in heaven being your husband or wife on earth
According to Ahnsahnghong that isn't new. I don't know if you are ware of His claim that Isaac is God. But nothing is said in WMC about Rebecca being Mother so one would have to assume he did it there too.. Assuming we take his understanding as valid.
I have to admit that is a harder teaching to accept. But not impossible because the explanation does fill a hole.
This is what I thought. I didn't think Ahn divorced his original wife, even though she certainly had grounds to kick him out of the house!
About the wms teaching that Isaac was also God… I'm going to start a new topic on this.
Sueno ad hominems shouldn’t be made without evidence
Joshua wrote:
Along the lines of Truth (Reality or Manipulation) I met a man who could hypnotize people. He once put a cult member into a trance in order to demonstrate how a guru had been manipulating him. The guru had this young man convinced that there was a light coming out of the guru because he was in fact enlightened. When this young man was under the trance of this hypnotist he was told not to open his eyes until he was ready to see an even brighter light coming from the hypnotist. When he opened his eyes he did report seeing the even brighter light. Think about the topic of this discussion and give me your thoughts.
This example shows how we can be influenced by another. Sad really.
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