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- November 26, 2012 at 8:59 PM#7011KCParticipant
battering about bible verses and proofs? Ok.
everybody knows that its one of your “trademark” favorite subject is to demonize the catholic and the image of virgin Mary using all that “proofs” printed neatly on your “facts” booklet, and go on and on about the image of holy mother is a pagan teachin.
i guess you dont teach about a holy mother too? or is it just because mama zhang posed abit different than the rest of “holy mothers”? Oh look! theres no baby in mama zhang photos then she must be the REAL DEAL because she’s not mainstream.
- November 27, 2012 at 4:23 AM #48988
emilParticipantThe biggest problem about the virgin Mary is their assertion that Catholics worship her. Instead of reading what the SDA says is Catholic teaching, wouldn't it be more fitting to read the CCC and what it teaches?
That wouldn't fit their agenda so better to blatantly proclaim that Catholics worship Mary as a goddess. KC, as you rightly note, they themselves worship a goddess while falsely implicating others.
I have told my friend in the wmscog, "You read their books if you want to know what is their teaching. Read the CCC to know what is Catholic teaching. Do not just blindly believe what they tell you is Catholic teaching."
November 27, 2012 at 4:31 AM #48989
KCParticipantin asia the problem is, a member is strongly forbidden to read anything else besides wmscog litteratures and suggesting them to question wmscog teachings will instantly used by the wmscog as "see? thats the devil trying to rattle your faith, we told you satan will do that, see?"
November 27, 2012 at 4:40 AM #48990
ElaineParticipantThey preach about paganism & Mother Mary but I have seen them adorn the home with calendars on every wall /door of Zhang's picture and her teachings framed and put up. No Ahn anywhere. Wonder why they even use the Leonardo's Last supper image. With passover that was abolished and restored should be having these three in picture -Ahn, Zhang & the only disciple KJC- the "ROCK" of the WMSCOG. LOL
November 27, 2012 at 5:32 AM #48991
KCParticipantcorrect elaine, theres pictures of zhang everywhere and its not idol worship wow.
November 27, 2012 at 6:10 AM #48992
SimonParticipantWell if you think about it it wouldn't be idolatry if she were God.
November 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM #48993
KCParticipantso does the claim of every idols, being a god.
November 27, 2012 at 7:44 AM #48994
Love'n HoneyParticipantThe Scripture says anything in the form of.. The paper is not God therefore we shant bow to it. What is on the paper is a form of God. At least that how I see it…
November 27, 2012 at 4:21 PM #48995
SimonParticipantwell photographs would be different as they are genuine representations.
November 27, 2012 at 4:22 PM #48996
SimonParticipantalthough I have never seen anyone bow down to pictures of mother and father really
November 27, 2012 at 7:05 PM #48997
Love'n HoneyParticipantI have never bowed to a cross but the cog still says it shouldn’t be in our possession in any way.
November 27, 2012 at 8:57 PM #48998
SimonParticipantyou aren't really making a valid comparison a cross isn't God, IF zahng were God if Ahn were God they would be actual valid representations of God themself a cross never can be
November 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM #48999
Love'n HoneyParticipantI hate that I need to so specific.. who’s hanging on the cross? Jesus christ. The cog doesn’t care if the cross has jesus on it or not, its idolatry just to have it. Some brothers have tatoos of jesus on the cross. I’ve heard of some people who were going to have it removed because the cog says it idolatry. They don’t use the arguement that its gruesome or whatever. They focus on its idolatry.
November 27, 2012 at 11:56 PM #49000
SimonParticipantExcept the depictions are not valid perfect representations on crucifixes while photographs are.
I also think it is about stumbling blocks as much as anything with crosses.
As for Last Supper:
People pray to crosses and not davincis art I guess? never really thought too much.
November 28, 2012 at 4:54 AM #49001
Love'n HoneyParticipantOk, then what about the picture of the Jesus and his disciples entitled The Last Supper? No one knows what Jesus really looked like and yet they have those photos hanging around. They're photos because they aren't paintings.
November 28, 2012 at 6:32 AM #49002
StainedParticipantElaine wrote:
They preach about paganism & Mother Mary but I have seen them adorn the home with calendars on every wall /door of Zhang's picture and her teachings framed and put up. No Ahn anywhere. Wonder why they even use the Leonardo's Last supper image. With passover that was abolished and restored should be having these three in picture -Ahn, Zhang & the only disciple KJC- the "ROCK" of the WMSCOG. LOL
You will find ASH's pic in a back broom closet or in some isolated office which few have access to. The Jesus pics/paintings around common areas are to propagate an illusion that they are christians, which they are not by any stretch of the imagination. They try to make themselves look mainstrean until they can hook a person like when they put up Christmas lights last year. They say they cannot celebrate Jesus's birthday on Christmas but they did celebrate ASH's birthday. Now ASH being Jesus, according to them, I can't figure how they squared that one but of course they had a perfectly logical explanation as to why. The Sheeple bought it obviously. Makes me sick literally. . .
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November 28, 2012 at 7:38 AM #49003
KCParticipantyea stained, typical sion setup, usually they will have picture of the last supper and mother "teachings" framed on the wall, plus several mama zhang pictures with foreign members walking hand in hand, ASH photos usually just small photo put somewhere more private.
November 28, 2012 at 7:57 AM #49004
SimonParticipantStained wrote:
Elaine wrote:
They preach about paganism & Mother Mary but I have seen them adorn the home with calendars on every wall /door of Zhang's picture and her teachings framed and put up. No Ahn anywhere. Wonder why they even use the Leonardo's Last supper image. With passover that was abolished and restored should be having these three in picture -Ahn, Zhang & the only disciple KJC- the "ROCK" of the WMSCOG. LOL
You will find ASH's pic in a back broom closet or in some isolated office which few have access to. The Jesus pics/paintings around common areas are to propagate an illusion that they are christians, which they are not by any stretch of the imagination. They try to make themselves look mainstrean until they can hook a person like when they put up Christmas lights last year. They say they cannot celebrate Jesus's birthday on Christmas but they did celebrate ASH's birthday. Now ASH being Jesus, according to them, I can't figure how they squared that one but of course they had a perfectly logical explanation as to why. The Sheeple bought it obviously. Makes me sick literally. . .
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The reason they celebrated in 12/25 was legit they have celebrated it the same lunar date every year. Not their fault if it falls on Dec 25.
"Zion" here didn't set up Christmas lights but with thousands all inconsistent I couldn't speak to that.
As for "Mother's" picture everywhere its "prophecy" Isaiah 33:20 if I remember right.
Every member in my, former, "Zion" had photos of "Father" that were given them by WMSCOG but if I think about it I don't remember ANY being on display in "zion" and it was a house church in which I had been in every room except the bed rooms, including the office.
November 28, 2012 at 2:01 PM #49005
StainedParticipantrenita.payno wrote:
I have never bowed to a cross but the cog still says it shouldn't be in our possession in any way.
I never prayed to the Cross itself but I did kneel before the Cross because of what it represents. I guess for lack of better verbage, it kind of puts a person in the right frame of mind to focus on God especially if you consider the selfless act which saved us all and took place on a similar object. That's what it meant to me, still does.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:22 PM #49006
Love'n HoneyParticipantIts hard to say that I’ve seen pictures of ahnsahnghong framed in plain sight. As for the pictures of mother, all the zions I’ve been to have pictures of her koreans. ALSO americans.. indians.. latinos.. etc. There are picture in santee zion where members from there visited mother. I used to have a picture of ahnsahnghong and mother in my phone. But my question for the cog is if we are to focus on the saviours in the age of the hs, then why is jesus’ “face” advertised and not ahnsahnghongs face? I can see how its to give the impression they are christians. But I was taught that they aren’t called christians but elohists.
November 28, 2012 at 5:37 PM #49007
SimonParticipantI was never taught Elohists over christians, its amazing Zions branhed out of the same main one are so different
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