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Here is my dilemma for those who are members of the COG;
I was told that the members are expected to tith at least 1/10th of their earnings to the church. In a sense, I see no wrong for an intention of donating God-given earnings to the organization which in return would spend it all for the sake of God as long as the organization is being transparent with spending so as to keep it kosher. Honestly, I really do not think that wmscog does that…
Now, if the members are encouranged to share the wealth with the church why they are absulately "advised" not to help each other. Supposedly, they call each others brothers and sisters. I cannot think of my brother not helping in case I need help. How can you be my brother or sister if you are not willing to extend a hand when I am down? How could you justify being and doing good if you choose to be obliviant for your fellow who is in agony? If you see me in fire(figuratively), won't you come for my aid?
Once they told me it might create a conflict if the favor was not returned. In other words, if you loan money to someone who is in need and maybe you will never see a dime of it, it might disturb the "ambiance" of the church. My question would be if you are so eager to give away your earning for the mother, why won't you help those in need? Can't you help someone with no return and just say "pay it forward"? I guess COG is more concerned about hogging the money for themselves…
What about those who lose their jobs and God forbid don't get a job immediately and skip their weekly donations? They would get an ultimatium to get a job or else… well, in life, not everything is peachy. Maybe, you cannot get a job immediately. Maybe, you cannot work for sometime because of health issues. Maybe,… what I would expect is to get support from my brothers and sisters when I am in difficulty. You are supposed to be my brothers and sisters.
There was a girl in the place where I used to work. She was a member of COG. She was going through a tough time and having health issues as well. I wanted to help her, but I did not want her to take my approach in a wrong way. So, I asked a friend of hers who happened to be also a member. She told me that it is her problem and she might be paying for her bad deeds. She should be left alone and it is better that she prays God for forgiveness.
I really cannot make of this church to anything. They are so nice and loving from outside but pretty cruel inside. I don't understand how one can embed love of God in heart where one does not have one…
All tells me that your complacent beliefs will NOT echo in eternity. And, all soon will come to an end, your highness!
@Omer – I have never been a member of the wmscog but have been trying to help get people out. I was not aware about this policy of not helping other members. In fact, a member tells me how loving the church is and how everyone is treated in such a loving manner. But what you have revealed is exactly the opposite. Thank you so much for revealing this.How about other (former?) members? Did anyone else also have occasion to test this kind of situation?
@Omer – I have never been a member of the wmscog but have been trying to help get people out. I was not aware about this policy of not helping other members. In fact, a member tells me how loving the church is and how everyone is treated in such a loving manner. But what you have revealed is exactly the opposite. Thank you so much for revealing this.How about other (former?) members? Did anyone else also have occasion to test this kind of situation?
All the things that they make you say
and all of the love that you hide away
I'll pick you up and it will be all right
I'll pick you up and it will be tonight
She rode a horse into my head
she won't discipline the children
and now they're running wild on the beach
and I don't care
oh, I don't care
no I don't care hey, hey, hey
It's the middle of the night and you're here
playing dominoes and drinking beer
I tried to think of something deep to say
but my well is dripping dry today, hey
hey, hey, hey
All the things that they make you say
and all of the love that you hide away
I'll pick you up and it will be all right
I'll pick you up and it will be tonight
She rode a horse into my head
she won't discipline the children
and now they're running wild on the beach
and I don't care
oh, I don't care
no I don't care hey, hey, hey
It's the middle of the night and you're here
playing dominoes and drinking beer
I tried to think of something deep to say
but my well is dripping dry today, hey
hey, hey, hey
I can confirm the story of Omen. It is even so, when your tith to the "church" is in danger because you've oblications to other people, they will talk to you and give you a burden of guild that you're not helping the people by supporting them, but "mother" should be the main concern. So, you have to let other people down to give the money to the "church". It is discusting how they work on peoples mind and manipulate in their own favour.
I can confirm the story of Omen. It is even so, when your tith to the "church" is in danger because you've oblications to other people, they will talk to you and give you a burden of guild that you're not helping the people by supporting them, but "mother" should be the main concern. So, you have to let other people down to give the money to the "church". It is discusting how they work on peoples mind and manipulate in their own favour.
Yes Emil I can also confirm this is the position of the church. They don’t want you to do business with other members (if you have a business), they don’t want you to give rides to those who don’t have cars, don’t loan money…pretty much anything that could potentially cause negative feelings within the church. They want you to give any extra money you might have to the church, any extra time to the church.
Yes Emil I can also confirm this is the position of the church. They don’t want you to do business with other members (if you have a business), they don’t want you to give rides to those who don’t have cars, don’t loan money…pretty much anything that could potentially cause negative feelings within the church. They want you to give any extra money you might have to the church, any extra time to the church.
Thanks Curious1 and Disturbed. Loving church. Loving themselves I mean.
Thanks Curious1 and Disturbed. Loving church. Loving themselves I mean.
Yes I can confirm this as well. I remember a female member telling me that we were waiting for the end and that when we get that call from "mother" we need to "flee to zion". She said that she cannot even stop to pick up her child before fleeing and that "father and mother" would take care of her child being saved. WTH!
I also remember a high ranking member having a health problem that could easily be taken care of with a 1 hour doctor's visit (don't want to be too specific here because I would like to protect that person's identity). This person had no health insurance but was suffering great pain every day. I remember questioning my family member and saying, why doesn't the church help her? I kind of made a big stink about it. Of course, a few days later my family member made sure to tell me that the member had the problem taken care of. Geez.
I also remember discussing tithing with another member who didn't have much money. If this member donated what he/she felt she needed to, the the other bills would not be paid. So they decided that they would give the money anyway because if they had enough faith, "father and mother will provide".
So I am going to go a step further and say that it doesn't seem like they care too much about their own well being either. WMS first and that's it.
Here's a verse for the WMS:
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. (Matthew 23-24).
PS that's Jesus talking.
Yes I can confirm this as well. I remember a female member telling me that we were waiting for the end and that when we get that call from "mother" we need to "flee to zion". She said that she cannot even stop to pick up her child before fleeing and that "father and mother" would take care of her child being saved. WTH!
I also remember a high ranking member having a health problem that could easily be taken care of with a 1 hour doctor's visit (don't want to be too specific here because I would like to protect that person's identity). This person had no health insurance but was suffering great pain every day. I remember questioning my family member and saying, why doesn't the church help her? I kind of made a big stink about it. Of course, a few days later my family member made sure to tell me that the member had the problem taken care of. Geez.
I also remember discussing tithing with another member who didn't have much money. If this member donated what he/she felt she needed to, the the other bills would not be paid. So they decided that they would give the money anyway because if they had enough faith, "father and mother will provide".
So I am going to go a step further and say that it doesn't seem like they care too much about their own well being either. WMS first and that's it.
Here's a verse for the WMS:
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. (Matthew 23-24).
PS that's Jesus talking.
Curious1 wrote:
I can confirm the story of Omen. It is even so, when your tith to the "church" is in danger because you've oblications to other people, they will talk to you and give you a burden of guild that you're not helping the people by supporting them, but "mother" should be the main concern. So, you have to let other people down to give the money to the "church". It is discusting how they work on peoples mind and manipulate in their own favour.
This is outphuckingrageous . Not what you said, but the notion which is, as you said, disgusting .
Emily wrote:
Yes I can confirm this as well. I remember a female member telling me that we were waiting for the end and that when we get that call from "mother" we need to "flee to zion". She said that she cannot even stop to pick up her child before fleeing and that "father and mother" would take care of her child being saved. WTH! You Mean WTF ?
I also remember a high ranking member having a health problem that could easily be taken care of with a 1 hour doctor's visit (don't want to be too specific here because I would like to protect that person's identity). This person had no health insurance but was suffering great pain every day. I remember questioning my family member and saying, why doesn't the church help her? I kind of made a big stink about it. Of course, a few days later my family member made sure to tell me that the member had the problem taken care of. Geez. I also remember discussing tithing with another member who didn't have much money. If this member donated what he/she felt she needed to, the the other bills would not be paid. So they decided that they would give the money anyway because if they had enough faith, "father and mother will provide".
There's an invisible Korean Man, living in the sky, who watches everything you do, of every minute of every day, and the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do, and if you do any of these ten things he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning torture and anguish where he'll send you to live and suffer and choke and burn and scream and cry for ever and ever till the end of time, BUT HE LOVES YOU ! Now you talk about a good B U L L S/H/I/T/story, Ho Lee S/H/I/T.
The members of the church I attended helped me with rides many times because they saw it as a blessing and the way to “please mother” through helping her children. Borrowing/lending money was not allowed so if you really wanted to help someone you would give them instead of borrowing. I often wanted to lend things and I ended up giving it instead to not get in trouble. Some people don’t really need something at the church and they take advantage of the members so if they saw no effort from the individual to change their status they will stop helping them with rides and looked to help members that really needed it. Not that I agree or disagree but that was the reality I saw over there. Other places might be different however if you try to take advantage of the members or the church you will not be successful.
The members of the church I attended helped me with rides many times because they saw it as a blessing and the way to “please mother” through helping her children. Borrowing/lending money was not allowed so if you really wanted to help someone you would give them instead of borrowing. I often wanted to lend things and I ended up giving it instead to not get in trouble. Some people don’t really need something at the church and they take advantage of the members so if they saw no effort from the individual to change their status they will stop helping them with rides and looked to help members that really needed it. Not that I agree or disagree but that was the reality I saw over there. Other places might be different however if you try to take advantage of the members or the church you will not be successful.
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