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I am going to dedicate this post to a broader intellectual base. I hope that members of the WMSCOG will read this through to the end.
Let’s start with a broader definition of Necrophilia from Erich Fromm. In Mr. Fromm’s definition necrophilia includes the desire of certain people to control others – to make them controllable, to foster their dependency, to discourage their capacity to think for themselves, to diminish their unpredictability and originality, to keep them in line. The “necrophiliac character type,” tries to avoid the inconveniences of life by transforming others into obedient automatons, robbing them of their humanity. Who is this that desires to kill the humanity of people? What is the force that is present that was created to do this very thing? In a word, “Evil”! Who is the father of all this? Satan.
The WMSCOG is one of the biggest necrophiliacs I have come across in recent years. What’s worse is how much of a narcissistic attitude they have about their perceived superiority. This, as much as anything else, proves how closely they follow Satan. Satan is the truest form of narcissism being that he believes that he is better than everyone and anything else in the entire universe and all of existence.
Jesus had a message for us that contradict what is taught by the WMSCOG and that is, “I have come that they may have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” Jesus was not interested in human puppets rather he was interested in the spirit of life. What did Jesus say about Satan, the very spirit of evil? Jesus said, “He was a murderer from the beginning.” Evil has nothing to do with natural death; it’s interested only with unnatural death i.e. murder of the body or spirit.
Something that I’m trying to do here is to get us to be able to identify evil better. When confronted by evil, the wisest and most secure adult will usually experience confusion. Imagine what it must be like for someone who is not secure or perhaps wise. Many people seduced into the WMSCOG or other such cult are emotionally unstable in one way or another. Most people admit to a feeling of loneliness prior to going into these types of groups. These same people also admit to being confused when they are first presented with teachings from the WMSCOG. Add to this the narcissism of these people and you have a group that is unwilling to acknowledge their own faults and failures coupled with the willingness to project their evil onto others. When are we going to start teaching the nations about the built in early warning signs that God has put into each of us?
Therapist M. Scott Peck wrote about an interview with one of his patients. Describing an encounter with an evil person, one woman wrote, “It was as if I had suddenly lost my ability to think.” People influenced by evil deceive others while simultaneously building layers upon layers of self-deception. It’s as if they can’t stop lying and confusing others as well as themselves. Sound familiar to anyone yet? I hope the cult members reading this are waking up to the desperate plight that their lives have become. It is not sin in our lives that makes people evil; it’s the willingness to reflect it on other people and the refusal to acknowledge what they are doing. Another key element to evil is scapegoating. It’s always your fault never theirs. This happens all over the WMSCOG. If it’s not blaming this website of being haters then it’s throwing one of their own under the bus saying, “We never taught that at our Zion.” Evil is always looking for someone else to blame. According to Satan, is he ever wrong? You don’t need to think too hard about the answer to that question. Here’s something that’s really obvious. Satan often times presents himself as an angle of light. He wants to appear nice and good, perfect if you will. What is important to evildoers? They desire to appear good! Image, appearance, outwardness, looks, how many awards and public good works has the WMSCOG participated in so that they would look good? They still cannot stop lying especially when it comes to their P.R. efforts. These lies are in place to deceive others but a higher function is to deceive themselves. Just more layers folks.
God gave us free will and if he had not then we would not have been made in his image and likeness. Could God in fact be God if he did not have free will? Just my opinion but I don’t think that would be possible. Throughout history leaders have always been extremely strong willed. What makes a leader great is his use of his will for good over evil. Jesus will radiates from the Gospels, just as Hitler’s did from Mein Kampf. Jesus will was that of his Father, and Hitler’s that of his own. The major distinction is between “willingness and willfulness.” Evil causes suffering folks. Have you been encouraged to separate from your family and friends? Do you feel a certain amount of animosity towards the people you talk to? Where is your will?
This is the last thought I want to leave you with. Satan’s pride overcomes his intelligence! Don’t let your pride lead you! There’s enough of that over at the WMS in Korea.
Eli I see your point. I agree Gods will is stronger than ours and we do not have the will capacity to defeat gods will. But we have the free will on earth to escape the will of other men, or maybe the manipulations of our thoughts. The choice to smoke that joint or to drink that beer. Within this dimension of our world day to day living we make choices. I am sure God knew the choice you would make but you still chose it. God does not puporsefully create you to control you. We have to make the effort. We have to realize that you do not have Gods will.
I am lost and I believe we are all lost, but we know that in our brain there is something that tells us right from wrong. we are not always gonna choose right. Sometimes doing bad feels good but there are times where guilt will set in and you feel bad. Maybe when we lack that bad feeling maybe that is where God sees a wicked man. If you look at the entire bible the stories are so disturbing slavery massacres and rape violence and incest. And even through all that God still was pleased with some of those men. The sins they commited is not for us to judge. But I am starting to believe that all this talking or convesation about free will is not the way God intended us to live. I am still in the middle of a midlife decision of how to believe in God the creator.
Some people think they have all the answers and I don't want anybody to think I think that way,but I am very open minded to open minded beliefs especially in my state of awakening. You have to formulate them. You, me or your mother or anybody but God knows your own destiny…..but you have to live as if you are free. I think the WMS is right in saying we are prisoners on earth. But the ticket to salvation is mysterious. The bible always talks about God seeing your heart. You have that beating in your heart. You have to desire that goal of heaven and how you get there no man knows. Only God. I look at the term God allowed you to act in your ways. God allowed us to be sinful. That sinful nature is also external influenced. Experiencing sin does not dam you to hell because we are all sinful. And that is maybe why jesus came. Maybe to shed light on a truth of slavery in controlled society. He preached to the poor. he helped them understand their blessings.
I am still in search for truth because I must.
People understands free will differently. Do you think of this as plain choosing or something else? That's why it cause many confusion. I would AGREE that a person is not forced to make a choice, is responsible for his choices, and is the active agent behind those choices. BUT I don't agree that people are free to do "whatever" they desire. For example, I will myself to bodily fly, now that would be impossible to do no matter how hard I try, unless God wills it (who has the free will). So to answer Renita's question: Man has a will, but it is not FREE.
Also, a person can't choose against his nature. What is our nature? We are sinners. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. So our nature really comes first and we can't get out of this as no one could really go against his nature. God didn't allow us to sin because we CAN, He allowed it because it is according to His purpose of salvation and it is His choice who to save. Some would think of this as unfair, some would say "then why do I do good in the first place?" That's the problem, your best "good" will never be good enough because as the bible says "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23). So no one is worth saving, no one. You won't be save because of your "good works" or because you sin "less" than the others (Sin is sin, no matter how you look at it), you'll be save because God wants you to be. So this is where faith comes, God would give you faith and because of THAT faith, you will be saved. We can't say, a person was saved because he was a good person throughout his life (think of why he was good in the first place?), he was saved because he have faith. The good works are just the result of faith.
In order to understand this fully, you must put God in the center of everything. Don't put him above you or beside you, put HIM, really, at the center. Throughout the Word of God, man's will is always subordinated to the will of God. Temporarily, man's will appears to oppose God and is contrary to God's revelation in the Bible, but ultimately man's will works God's way.
So to summarize this… God created us and we were meant to be sinners. WHY? So that a Saviour will come. WHY? To give us a way to have eternal life. WHY? So that we can be with God. WHY? So we can glorify Him. Do we get to chose? No, God choose you, not vice versa. Unfair! No, it is not. You are just a creation, you can't oppose your creator. As it was said in Romans 9:21 "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"
genny wrote:
I think there are some things God has predetermined will happen. If one person doesn't do it, someone else will.
Is like saying that God doesn't have perfect control. God predetermines EVERYTHING. If He predetermines only SOME, then who predetermines the OTHER things? Man? You would be saying that your will is greater than what God wills and God just have to SETTLE for other people instead because you didn't "will" it to happen. If one person doesn't do it, it means that it was not for him, it was for someone else, not because that person willed it that way.
I agree with you eli. I don’t think we have free will. It just looks like we’re making our own decisions despite what god says. That seems pretty arrogant actually.
Elievalkyrie wrote:
genny wrote:
I think there are some things God has predetermined will happen. If one person doesn't do it, someone else will.
Is like saying that God doesn't have perfect control. God predetermines EVERYTHING. If He predetermines only SOME, then who predetermines the OTHER things? Man? You would be saying that your will is greater than what God wills and God just have to SETTLE for other people instead because you didn't "will" it to happen. If one person doesn't do it, it means that it was not for him, it was for someone else, not because that person willed it that way.
saying God doesn't make you do something isn't remoatly the same as saying you have greater will.
But saying that if one person doesn't do it then someone else will implies that God settles for something else because you don't want it.
renita.payno wrote:
I agree with you eli. I don't think we have free will. It just looks like we're making our own decisions despite what god says. That seems pretty arrogant actually.
Good thing that you understand this Renita. Just think if all people have free will along with God. Now that would create a very chaotic world indeed. LOL.
not really it implies God blesses those who will take it
Elievalkyrie wrote:
But saying that if one person doesn't do it then someone else will implies that God settles for something else because you don't want it.
I meant it more like this… Say there is some ministry that God wants done, like starting a food bank for the poor in a city. And there is a person who has a feeling like maybe God's calling them to start a food bank ministry, but they decide not to pursue it. That doesn't mean this ministry will never happen, someone else will also feel that call of God to do this and will follow through with it.
Good idea, Joshua. Thanks for starting the new threads.
Opps. Sorry about that Josh. Got carried away.
I asked because it was mentioned in the OP.
This has to be one of the best post, among a few, that I have read. Surprise I missed it. You summed everything up in a nut shell. I can’t tell you how much words you took from my thought. Thanks, Joshua. Completely uncut and in defence of Jesus Christ. In addition, the analogy of the effects of mind control is well in-depth. I pray God continues to grant both members and non members wisdom and spiritual understanding of his Word.
You are kicking it back into play? I'll play with this. I'll challenge this even.
You described some of the characteristics of wms. Yes. And you made some comparisons. Yes. But I think the topic is subjective.
Do you have any biblical scripture to back it up? You say Satan's pride overcomes his intelligence? Okay. I'll say that's your opinion. But how it that true? It could be true.
You say the wms follows Satan. Okay. Maybe, but maybe not. Yes, they put on righteous appearances. But wms follows the bible. When you actually compare all scripture to wms, they follow it. They do come close to the standard, but they fall short. They keep the sabbath and the 7 feasts of God. That's not following Satan. But wms is not 100 percent true to scripture. They don't keep these feasts 100 percent. They lack. And they have scripture to back up what they do. Luckily they speak too many lies to the point they contradict themselves.
I'll start with this. I'll comment more later. I'll be back.
Just responding to previous point. The WMS tries to be the standard to how a Christian should act. But these standards to come accross realistically. Some of what falls under, human nature, Religion attempts to restrict.
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