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I am going to dedicate this post to a broader intellectual base. I hope that members of the WMSCOG will read this through to the end.
Let’s start with a broader definition of Necrophilia from Erich Fromm. In Mr. Fromm’s definition necrophilia includes the desire of certain people to control others – to make them controllable, to foster their dependency, to discourage their capacity to think for themselves, to diminish their unpredictability and originality, to keep them in line. The “necrophiliac character type,” tries to avoid the inconveniences of life by transforming others into obedient automatons, robbing them of their humanity. Who is this that desires to kill the humanity of people? What is the force that is present that was created to do this very thing? In a word, “Evil”! Who is the father of all this? Satan.
The WMSCOG is one of the biggest necrophiliacs I have come across in recent years. What’s worse is how much of a narcissistic attitude they have about their perceived superiority. This, as much as anything else, proves how closely they follow Satan. Satan is the truest form of narcissism being that he believes that he is better than everyone and anything else in the entire universe and all of existence.
Jesus had a message for us that contradict what is taught by the WMSCOG and that is, “I have come that they may have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” Jesus was not interested in human puppets rather he was interested in the spirit of life. What did Jesus say about Satan, the very spirit of evil? Jesus said, “He was a murderer from the beginning.” Evil has nothing to do with natural death; it’s interested only with unnatural death i.e. murder of the body or spirit.
Something that I’m trying to do here is to get us to be able to identify evil better. When confronted by evil, the wisest and most secure adult will usually experience confusion. Imagine what it must be like for someone who is not secure or perhaps wise. Many people seduced into the WMSCOG or other such cult are emotionally unstable in one way or another. Most people admit to a feeling of loneliness prior to going into these types of groups. These same people also admit to being confused when they are first presented with teachings from the WMSCOG. Add to this the narcissism of these people and you have a group that is unwilling to acknowledge their own faults and failures coupled with the willingness to project their evil onto others. When are we going to start teaching the nations about the built in early warning signs that God has put into each of us?
Therapist M. Scott Peck wrote about an interview with one of his patients. Describing an encounter with an evil person, one woman wrote, “It was as if I had suddenly lost my ability to think.” People influenced by evil deceive others while simultaneously building layers upon layers of self-deception. It’s as if they can’t stop lying and confusing others as well as themselves. Sound familiar to anyone yet? I hope the cult members reading this are waking up to the desperate plight that their lives have become. It is not sin in our lives that makes people evil; it’s the willingness to reflect it on other people and the refusal to acknowledge what they are doing. Another key element to evil is scapegoating. It’s always your fault never theirs. This happens all over the WMSCOG. If it’s not blaming this website of being haters then it’s throwing one of their own under the bus saying, “We never taught that at our Zion.” Evil is always looking for someone else to blame. According to Satan, is he ever wrong? You don’t need to think too hard about the answer to that question. Here’s something that’s really obvious. Satan often times presents himself as an angle of light. He wants to appear nice and good, perfect if you will. What is important to evildoers? They desire to appear good! Image, appearance, outwardness, looks, how many awards and public good works has the WMSCOG participated in so that they would look good? They still cannot stop lying especially when it comes to their P.R. efforts. These lies are in place to deceive others but a higher function is to deceive themselves. Just more layers folks.
God gave us free will and if he had not then we would not have been made in his image and likeness. Could God in fact be God if he did not have free will? Just my opinion but I don’t think that would be possible. Throughout history leaders have always been extremely strong willed. What makes a leader great is his use of his will for good over evil. Jesus will radiates from the Gospels, just as Hitler’s did from Mein Kampf. Jesus will was that of his Father, and Hitler’s that of his own. The major distinction is between “willingness and willfulness.” Evil causes suffering folks. Have you been encouraged to separate from your family and friends? Do you feel a certain amount of animosity towards the people you talk to? Where is your will?
This is the last thought I want to leave you with. Satan’s pride overcomes his intelligence! Don’t let your pride lead you! There’s enough of that over at the WMS in Korea.
Just seeing this post! Very well stated Joshua. I pray current members read this and use their free will to step away from the WMS.
Ok, I’ll read it. =)
I read one paragraph about having free will. My question is, what is free will? In mine eyes, free will is doing something with your own thoughts, your own decision. No one made you do something, you’re just doing. I have the free will to respond in the thread right now. But from reading the bible, it doesn’t appear to be that we have free will. God has already preordained us to do something. To accomplish and to fail. To live and to die. If god has already laid out our lives then is it really free will? Or does it only appear to be? Kind of like a movie. The actors and actresses look as though they have free will but really their just following the script.
So, what is free will? Because it doesn’t look like it really exist.. but my mom has told me not to hang out with certain people because they upset her. Literally.. but even though she said not to I still have the “free will” to choose if I will or won’t.
That last part is the kind of stuff members say to discourage me from asking questions. But if we were made in gods image, then why can’t i change form when i please? Why can’t i do the things God can do? Perhaps not having free will is what separates us from God.
Is there some place in the Bible that suggests God already has a plan for us to follow? Much like a movie script..
I do believe we have free will, but God knows what we will do before we do it. If we didn't have free will, then we would be just God's robots, and I don't believe God made us robots.
I think there is a middle ground between free will and predetermination as scripture implies both
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I think there is a middle ground between free will and predetermination as scripture implies both
I agree. It seems that some things are predetermined, but definitely not everything. And God does not make us sin, like the wmscog teaches.
Ok, i have a habit of thinking all or nothing. It never occurred to me that some things are predetermined while others are not. Some times we have free will and sometimes we don’t.
I think there are some things God has predetermined will happen. If one person doesn't do it, someone else will.
That makes a lot more sense Genny. Thanks
I know. =) its ok.
FREE WILL:
God gave us the free 'ist" will you could ever have. You can do whatever you wanted to do on your own behalf. In this life you are free to do as you please. In this life you shall no longer fear death because if you do you are a slave to death. In this life you donot need to keep any ceremonies. Just give allegiance to GOD personallly and be free. How can we know the name of GOD? I don't speak Hebrew…Even the name Jesus is not the name Jesus. There is no words that can describe or contain God. The bible is a guidance book but don't believe the Magicians perforning Magic as they do at WMS. I have been there. GOD has given you the source. It is already in you… If you choose bad choices you shall face your maker in the end. The thought controls and implant of having fear to GOD makes you fear to live. You dont need anyone to show you how to read that bible unless you really dont know how to read. How about the mated scriptures they alway try to show? To me that is magic. Illusion. This world is full of illusion and if you are distracted in that church than you can't really help the people you were meant to help. Jesus says to give your possesion to the poor and follow me. We should help the poor the homeless the sick and the old when we can and God will glorify you. You only preach to the middleclass workers who bring in the money…..WAKE UP…..Change the world through your beautiful heart GOD gave YOU.
TO ADD , Man can't give the food of eternal life but we can give the food that feeds a man for a day. Stop selling God and try to live for GOD instead. I fall short of this everyday and we all do. God bless you all.
I think many would disagree with this but I'll just have to say it. I am not going to assert my belief with you people but this topic just interested me and this is what theologians have been debating for many years. The "Free will" concept came from the greek pagan philosopher Aristotle and Plato. It is otherwise called as "autonomy" that basically means one have the ability to choose one's actions for themselves without the influence of outside factors.
Case 1. Men, being childrens of wrath, are slaves to sin. It is true that if I acted this way, it is because I desire to do so but what influences my desire? Sin influences it, that's why doing bad things somehow feels good. So where is free will in that? If I really do have free will, then I COULD stop myself from sinning so much but I can't no matter how hard I try. So why do we like to do good if we are totally bad? Because God gave you faith and because of that faith from Him, you want to do good. Now someone would react saying, "No way, my faith comes from myself. I willed myself to have faith". But in the Bible, it was said: "For by grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH — and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."(Ephesians 2:8) Now I am not talking about faith as a simple "believing". I'm talking about faith as the empowering of God. God empowers us to believe, trust, repent, hope, etc.
Case 2. Many would agree that a person can actually decide whether he accepts or rejects God whenever he wants to. So here's the thing, it was said in the Bible that God "desires that all men will be saved" (1 Timothy 2:4), If you're a universalist, you'd say this pertains to ALL people, if you're not you'll say this only pertains to the chosen people. Either way, let me just give a situation. For example, I say to myself now, I don't want to be save and I decided not to follow Him and I go to hell (for sure), does this mean my "will" is stronger than what God wills? And here's another thing, everything that happens is predestined, so that would mean that it was actually predestined that I would chose not to follow God. If I really do have a "free will", then I could change the future, which I think is impossible to do since man's actions are already predestined. Even my typing here now is predestined, WAIT I have free will, I can stop typing, Oh wait, my stopping to type was predestined too… So where's free will? I am not saying that we can't choose, I am just saying it is not true that our choices are not influenced by outside factors because it is.
Some would say, this is my choice, no one is forcing me. But that's the beauty of it, whatever you do now is what you want but what you want is either controlled by sin (if left alone) or by God (when He gives you faith). LOL. This is harder than I thought but anyway, this site give a more clearer explanation of what I am talking about: http://livingtheology.com/Faith.htm
absolute free will versus nonabsolute free will
Eli, you explained my exact confusion. According to scripture we don’t have free will. Does it even say we do?
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