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Today I was reminded about how there is life and death in our toungs. The other part of the message is those of us who are teachers will have a greater judgement, and greater responsibility.
Do you remember the old saying, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."? Many groups use this saying especially when they are justifying political motivation. (I bring up politics just because we are moving into that season again.) What these groups seem to fail to realize is that this saying has a Christian foundation. That's right, Christian! It's a quote from a Christian publication dated back in March of 1862. Here's the whole quote, "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me. True courage consists in doing what is right, despite the jeers and sneers of our companions."
James 3:1-12English Standard Version (ESV)
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. 2 For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. 3 If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. 4 Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. 5 So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. 10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? 12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.
Once again, this is where the WMSCOG and especially its teachers FAIL! Too often the leaders of the WMSCOG speak gossip and death about their members and especially their former members. What make this even worse is that we are all created in the image of God so by speaking death about their former member, current members, other churches, and people in general they are speaking against the God that made them. Oh Snap! Not only does that suck but it proves by their own words and actions that they are NOT Gods church or Gods people. These folks in teaching positions will be held to a higher judgement and currently should be held to a higher standard by each other and their congregations. What do they preach? Don't question anything we say. We're right and everyone else is wrong. Who does it right if not us? Where can you go that you know they are doing it right? If you know that they're not right then we must be right! (Guilt, slander, double talk, thought stopping, gossip, circular logic, manipulation, you get the idea I hope.) If you are involved in this you need to get out right now! Start by looking at all of the scriptures surrounding the scriptures you have been taught to study. You are going to find that a ton of the things you've been taught are taken completely out of the context they are presented in. In other words, you've been manipulated! To use a shorter more simple word, you've been lied to! There spring is full of salt water. It never satisfies and always leaves you more thirsty and in need then before you drank it.
This is a warning: If you are teaching the studies of the WMSCOG you are in for a greater judgement and those who are benefiting from your efforts could care less about it. Take some time and learn the Bible for what it really says before you go regurgitating what has been spoon fed to you.
This is what I worry about with my son who is a member. What if something happened to him while he is a member of the wms, preaching their lies, although he doesn't know they are lies. What if he, God forbid, had an accident or some other misfortue and died while a member? He is definitely in the category of being in for a greater judgment. People who profess to be religious, more than I do, for sure, don't seem worried about this. How can a person who has Christian beliefs NOT be concerned? How can a mother who loves her son not be upset by his involvement in a soul destroying farce of a religion?
MountainMom wrote:
This is what I worry about with my son who is a member. What if something happened to him while he is a member of the wms, preaching their lies, although he doesn't know they are lies. What if he, God forbid, had an accident or some other misfortue and died while a member? He is definitely in the category of being in for a greater judgment. People who profess to be religious, more than I do, for sure, don't seem worried about this. How can a person who has Christian beliefs NOT be concerned? How can a mother who loves her son not be upset by his involvement in a soul destroying farce of a religion?
"If" that were to happen, The God that I believe in would embrace your son with the same love and understanding that you, his Mother, would. Let's not forget, God is all knowing, all forgiving and all loving.
In my opinion, that is NOT the way he will recieve the pastors and mother god. I believe they will have a much different reception!
@David: Thank you for your response. I agree that the pastors and mother god absolutely will get a different reception. Still, he will have to repent. I hope he won't hesitate to do so.MountainMom wrote:
@David: Thank you for your response. I agree that the pastors and mother god absolutely will get a different reception. Still, he will have to repent. I hope he won't hesitate to do so.There again, I feel you have nothing to worry about. Seriously, who would not repent at the sight of the "real" God anyhow?
Many people committ horrible sins of their own free will, they have some explaining to do. Your son is completely innocent as he is not committing a sin of his own free will. He is under the mind control of a devious sinner and God knows that better than anyone else.
God's not testing your son, he's testing you and you are passing his test with flying colors every day!!
Your son is innocent and you are a Mountain of a Mom…God knows that too!!
@David: Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. Some days I need it worse than others and yesterday was one of them. He is innocent, I know that.Joshua, I know your intent. I have no problem with anything you say at any time.
MountainMom wrote:
Joshua, I know your intent. I have no problem with anything you say at any time.
I know Joshua's intent too but his analysis, in my opinion does not apply to the original question. The question was "what if" something happened "before" my son freed himself or was freed from the "mind control" he's under? The answer is, he will be forgiven! He will also, I would assume be given his time to repent at the "pearly gates"! This is not a case of, ignorance of the law, it is, mind control! The true God is not going to punish someone for a sin they had absolutely no idea they were committing. He will have MERCY!
Joshua wrote:
David, I don't want to see people mislead one way or the other. While I would love to be wrong about my point you are now going to have to prove biblically where you can say that God is going to let someone, who has knowledge of His word, die and then accept Jesus on the day of judgement. Please show me. I would love to be wrong about this. I fully agree that God is full of mercy however, people have a choice that has to be made while there alive. If someone made the choice to believe the WMSCOG instead of Gods word well, they made a choice no matter how mislead they are. Nobody is born mind controlled. There is a choice made in the beginning and during the cycle. Gods mercy comes in the form of His word and by the tools He uses to reach out to those folks that are victimized by mind control. Please show my something biblical that makes your idea factual.
I'm not sure if we should continue on with this or not because I can easily show you anything in the Bible that I want and as I recall that's how we all got into this mess in the first place. You let me know if you think this is worth continuing and I would be happy to oblige. I can tell you one thing, it all starts with faith, pure faith that the real God is indeed all-knowing, all-loving and all-merciful.
I never even thought about how the scripture in James is. In WMSCOG, we were taught that everyone much preach (teach). I never preached much, it was difficult because I struggled with the fact that we (in my opinion) were insulting the intelligence of the people we preached to. But the Overseers are masters at judging members, being disrespectful and telling their business, often in and during services. This is not just….and if God is/were here on Earth, he or she would know about these behaviors, right? Our last overseer before we left, our Overseer told a story of how an overseer in another Zion, “Yelled at some members who were loud in a hallway, outside of a biblestudy, while they were cleaning”, the overseer, “told them to get out”. As the story goes all of them left,…but our Overseer claimed that they were never “really brothers and sisters” and that they basically should have refused to leave and not forfitted salvation. Where is Gods justice in this? There is none, because true GOD would never allow that
True God, knows all things and wouldnt allow the shepards to injure the sheep. And many of the overseers are trained in this.
True God, knows all things and wouldnt allow the shepards to injure the sheep. And many of the overseers are trained in this.
Well said UntouchableJ i always wondered how was that possible like i got to know some decons drink alcohol,some have had affairs with sisters from other zions like goa this is the latest talk going on in the mumbai zion in India..How come mother let them become decons ? she knows all things. There were pastors in my time in zion who use to praise them selves during the sermons how they have collected members.Basicaly if you hear it he is adonkey praising his own tail,and then he would tell members or leaders in meetings the previous pastor has establihed many churches but has less members.Then there was a case in 2012 a pastor came to india and had to return back to korea from the airport by the next flight he was not allowed to even go out of the airport or talk or phone any one.Here my point is when ever they leave
Korea on a mission they meet mother,being god did she not know such a thing would have happened and the time and hard earned money would have been wasted of the members all over the world who have given her offerings.Then i heard of some korean couple who came on a short term in goa his wife was going out with one of the member who is a decon today(married another korean girl) after the wife was always hit by the husband and was always with marks on her body mother called them back, did mother not know all these things.The zions all over the world are contolled by the assemble that is what the missionary told me does mother not know that they are misusing her power over the zions.,One missionary was transfered borivli zion to goa with his family (indian) because the members did not like him and he was strickly followind the assembly in Korea that what he told me.There are many more things to add.But this is a big doubt that has always been in my mind ,because if you or a member ask the pastor for any advice he cant solve he will say i have to ask mother( like another zion,etc) but soon you will see that there is problem with the place an in few months we are shifting to another place because the neighbours are disturbed, does God not foresee all the problems that are comming.But tell members in all zion to store food packs,dry grain, candles and water for we are in the last days. I AM SURE MOST OF US HAVE GONE TRUE THIS ALL OVER THE WORLD.in the zions we were in.
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