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This will always get under my skin. Since when does this group, who supposedly has the truth, get to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't? This is one of the biggest indicators of just how big of a scam this group is. Where are the handicapped individuals? Where are the homeless or the down and out? I have spoken with one person who lost his job because of the time demands placed on him by this cult and then he was told to get a job. When he did not get a job soon enough to suit this group the deacon threw him out and instructed other members not to associate with this man. This man did talk to two of his friends briefly and they asked him if he had done what the deacon instructed? According to the actions of this group this man could not hear their truth or be associated with this group until he had a job. My younger brother is handicapped. I know the he would not be welcomed by this group. Anyone like me with difficult questions like me are viewed as undesireable. I can not get these folks to even have a real discussion with me. Once I even tried to go into one of their churches only to be turned away at the door. (Which by the way had a security camera at the door. Creepy) Their truth is not open to me. I cannot buy their books or log into many parts of their website. To log into many parts of this cults website you must be a member, have what's called a life number, and also have a password. You must have a password to learn the truth? When I found out about this life number a cold chill went down my spine. I was very creeped out. When was the last time in history people were numbered by a group? Try World War Two. According to this group they have the Book of Life which is a computer data base where people are listed and numbered. I'm creeped out again just talking about it. I am written in the Lambs Book of Life and never have I felt creeped out by it or felt like I am just a number.
In the epistle of James it speaks to the idea of keeping the truth away from some and open to others. James 2 My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? (Just like the WMSCOG has done with the administrators of this website.) Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called? (The New Name Perhaps) If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
I will not presume to speak for anyone else on this matter but I'm going to do my best to live up to Gods Word when it comes to this. The example set by the WMSCOG condems it's members by picking and choosing who gets to hear and who is cut off from the truth. I would also call into the light the expectation of members to dress up to a certain standard of affluence but that topic might be better served in a different post altogether.
Wow, so much has been said. Lol. The verses shown me concerning the morning & afternoon service times are found in the crux. The hour Jesus was raised & the hour He died mark the morning & afternoon service respectively. Even in Acts the Apostles were gathered in prayer during the same hours. As for the evening service, I have no idea.
When someone ransacks a home, that person has gone through the entire house & destroyed it. Tossing everything out of it's place, breaking things, etc. The way I understand it, God's teaching will be destroyed. Every feast will be kept out of the appointed times. God's people will ultimately end up breaking God's laws. Idk.. =)
Wow, so much has been said. Lol. The verses shown me concerning the morning & afternoon service times are found in the crux. The hour Jesus was raised & the hour He died mark the morning & afternoon service respectively. Even in Acts the Apostles were gathered in prayer during the same hours. As for the evening service, I have no idea.
When someone ransacks a home, that person has gone through the entire house & destroyed it. Tossing everything out of it's place, breaking things, etc. The way I understand it, God's teaching will be destroyed. Every feast will be kept out of the appointed times. God's people will ultimately end up breaking God's laws. Idk.. =)
shimon wrote:
btw not every feast is said to start at Erev ONE feast going from Erev of Day nine to Erev of Day Ten would be kept on the 9th according to sunset theory but is kept on the tenth actually enforcing against sunset theory.
No, it would be kept on the 10th. The evening of the 9th day can mark the end of the 9th and the beginning of the 10th day. The evening of the 10th day marks the end of the 10th day.
shimon wrote:
btw not every feast is said to start at Erev ONE feast going from Erev of Day nine to Erev of Day Ten would be kept on the 9th according to sunset theory but is kept on the tenth actually enforcing against sunset theory.
No, it would be kept on the 10th. The evening of the 9th day can mark the end of the 9th and the beginning of the 10th day. The evening of the 10th day marks the end of the 10th day.
not according to sunset theory
not according to sunset theory
You guys pay more attention I think Shimon is a Korean playing dumb. Only the Koreans are shown the Hebrew text and would be posting them. I assume that is why he does not answer any questions you are asking him he avoids them like a Korean that is how their taught, he is probing you.
You guys pay more attention I think Shimon is a Korean playing dumb. Only the Koreans are shown the Hebrew text and would be posting them. I assume that is why he does not answer any questions you are asking him he avoids them like a Korean that is how their taught, he is probing you.
loocpoc wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
I did ask about the 3rd service & why it's not a regulation in the bible. As it was explained to me, the NT says every woman must have her head covered.. every man must not.. It doesn't specify what we should cover our heads with. I could use a box & be considered following this regulation. But I use the veil because it is the example of Mother who is God. Because God keeps 3 services, I keep 3. However, there is no verse in the bible saying we must keep a 3rd service.
But I just refer back to the Sabbath day & not the Sabbath service. Also, the Sabbath in the OT was a day or year of rest. As explained to me through much studying, the reason why we keep the Sabbath is to understand the spiritual rest we will receive in the kingdom of Heaven. I did find it very interesting that in the Creation, when God rested, it doesn't say, "There was evening & there was morning; the 7th day."
3rd day service was done as away for folks who are unclean (IE those who handle blood or a woman during her menstration) to observe the sabbath in the Temple.
The WMS taught ASH started third day service for the people who could not make first and second service but they push it on the ones who already keep 1st and 2nd its good business. At the same time they don’t make it clear to everyone in the church. What’s the joke is the NCPCOG does not keep a third service and claim ASH did not teach a 3rd service. It's another lie the WMSCOG made up. Think about the 3dr day service worldwide when it comes to tithe. How much does that bring in and why do the members tithe a third time when it not a requirment.Did you know they told us to tithe every service when we were a small group so others would keep are example?
loocpoc wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
I did ask about the 3rd service & why it's not a regulation in the bible. As it was explained to me, the NT says every woman must have her head covered.. every man must not.. It doesn't specify what we should cover our heads with. I could use a box & be considered following this regulation. But I use the veil because it is the example of Mother who is God. Because God keeps 3 services, I keep 3. However, there is no verse in the bible saying we must keep a 3rd service.
But I just refer back to the Sabbath day & not the Sabbath service. Also, the Sabbath in the OT was a day or year of rest. As explained to me through much studying, the reason why we keep the Sabbath is to understand the spiritual rest we will receive in the kingdom of Heaven. I did find it very interesting that in the Creation, when God rested, it doesn't say, "There was evening & there was morning; the 7th day."
3rd day service was done as away for folks who are unclean (IE those who handle blood or a woman during her menstration) to observe the sabbath in the Temple.
The WMS taught ASH started third day service for the people who could not make first and second service but they push it on the ones who already keep 1st and 2nd its good business. At the same time they don’t make it clear to everyone in the church. What’s the joke is the NCPCOG does not keep a third service and claim ASH did not teach a 3rd service. It's another lie the WMSCOG made up. Think about the 3dr day service worldwide when it comes to tithe. How much does that bring in and why do the members tithe a third time when it not a requirment.Did you know they told us to tithe every service when we were a small group so others would keep are example?
shimon wrote:
not according to sunset theory
You are kidding me, right? Evening marks both the start and end to the day, if you keep a sunset day.
It definitely wouldn't work for a sunrise day. Evening of the 9th to evening of the 10th would include half of the 9th day and half of the 10th day, not all of the 10th day.
But like I said in another thread, out of all the things to debate, why sunrise vs sunset? The only reason it's important is if your salvation depended on it, and if your salvation depends on how you mark the beginning of a day, then your God must be a tyrant.
shimon wrote:
not according to sunset theory
You are kidding me, right? Evening marks both the start and end to the day, if you keep a sunset day.
It definitely wouldn't work for a sunrise day. Evening of the 9th to evening of the 10th would include half of the 9th day and half of the 10th day, not all of the 10th day.
But like I said in another thread, out of all the things to debate, why sunrise vs sunset? The only reason it's important is if your salvation depended on it, and if your salvation depends on how you mark the beginning of a day, then your God must be a tyrant.
Genny:
It matters because of the appointed times. There are people who say that the Sabbath begins Friday evening & ends at Saturday evening. But the COG says the Sabbath begins sunrise Saturday to sunrise Sunday. The appointed times are for our salvation. In the OT, when people didn't keep the Sabbath properly they were stoned. It was explained to me that such harsh punishments were given to show how important it is to do as God says. God is saying one thing while man is saying God said another. We need to understand what is a full day in the eyes of God so we will keep His appointed times properly.
Genny:
It matters because of the appointed times. There are people who say that the Sabbath begins Friday evening & ends at Saturday evening. But the COG says the Sabbath begins sunrise Saturday to sunrise Sunday. The appointed times are for our salvation. In the OT, when people didn't keep the Sabbath properly they were stoned. It was explained to me that such harsh punishments were given to show how important it is to do as God says. God is saying one thing while man is saying God said another. We need to understand what is a full day in the eyes of God so we will keep His appointed times properly.
ed144 wrote:
You guys pay more attention I think Shimon is a Korean playing dumb. Only the Koreans are shown the Hebrew text and would be posting them. I assume that is why he does not answer any questions you are asking him he avoids them like a Korean that is how their taught, he is probing you.
So you want to resort to Ad Hominem attacks that is fine
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
not according to sunset theory
You are kidding me, right? Evening marks both the start and end to the day, if you keep a sunset day.
It definitely wouldn't work for a sunrise day. Evening of the 9th to evening of the 10th would include half of the 9th day and half of the 10th day, not all of the 10th day.
But like I said in another thread, out of all the things to debate, why sunrise vs sunset? The only reason it's important is if your salvation depended on it, and if your salvation depends on how you mark the beginning of a day, then your God must be a tyrant.
Nope I am not kidding you Sunset Theory wouldn't work with that explanation Erev of a date would be an Erev on a date. So Erev of the Ninth Day would be the Ninth of the seventh Month not the Tenth. Makes more sense to be half the ninth day than all of it especially seeing as it is the half you are asleep.
ed144 wrote:
You guys pay more attention I think Shimon is a Korean playing dumb. Only the Koreans are shown the Hebrew text and would be posting them. I assume that is why he does not answer any questions you are asking him he avoids them like a Korean that is how their taught, he is probing you.
So you want to resort to Ad Hominem attacks that is fine
genny wrote:
shimon wrote:
not according to sunset theory
You are kidding me, right? Evening marks both the start and end to the day, if you keep a sunset day.
It definitely wouldn't work for a sunrise day. Evening of the 9th to evening of the 10th would include half of the 9th day and half of the 10th day, not all of the 10th day.
But like I said in another thread, out of all the things to debate, why sunrise vs sunset? The only reason it's important is if your salvation depended on it, and if your salvation depends on how you mark the beginning of a day, then your God must be a tyrant.
Nope I am not kidding you Sunset Theory wouldn't work with that explanation Erev of a date would be an Erev on a date. So Erev of the Ninth Day would be the Ninth of the seventh Month not the Tenth. Makes more sense to be half the ninth day than all of it especially seeing as it is the half you are asleep.
loocpoc wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Genny:
It matters because of the appointed times. There are people who say that the Sabbath begins Friday evening & ends at Saturday evening. But the COG says the Sabbath begins sunrise Saturday to sunrise Sunday. The appointed times are for our salvation. In the OT, when people didn't keep the Sabbath properly they were stoned. It was explained to me that such harsh punishments were given to show how important it is to do as God says. God is saying one thing while man is saying God said another. We need to understand what is a full day in the eyes of God so we will keep His appointed times properly.
Then they are wrong. Breshit CLEARLY states that "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
yep and it clearly says the erev was after he called darkness night therefore the evening was AFTER the events of the day therefore either there was a day 0 or morning is the end of the first day.
loocpoc wrote:
renita.payno wrote:
Genny:
It matters because of the appointed times. There are people who say that the Sabbath begins Friday evening & ends at Saturday evening. But the COG says the Sabbath begins sunrise Saturday to sunrise Sunday. The appointed times are for our salvation. In the OT, when people didn't keep the Sabbath properly they were stoned. It was explained to me that such harsh punishments were given to show how important it is to do as God says. God is saying one thing while man is saying God said another. We need to understand what is a full day in the eyes of God so we will keep His appointed times properly.
Then they are wrong. Breshit CLEARLY states that "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
yep and it clearly says the erev was after he called darkness night therefore the evening was AFTER the events of the day therefore either there was a day 0 or morning is the end of the first day.
One more thing about Eds comment
Yes bar mitzvahd individuals and people with internet have no access to Hebrew Because wmc has authority over the universe
One more thing about Eds comment
Yes bar mitzvahd individuals and people with internet have no access to Hebrew Because wmc has authority over the universe
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