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This will always get under my skin. Since when does this group, who supposedly has the truth, get to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't? This is one of the biggest indicators of just how big of a scam this group is. Where are the handicapped individuals? Where are the homeless or the down and out? I have spoken with one person who lost his job because of the time demands placed on him by this cult and then he was told to get a job. When he did not get a job soon enough to suit this group the deacon threw him out and instructed other members not to associate with this man. This man did talk to two of his friends briefly and they asked him if he had done what the deacon instructed? According to the actions of this group this man could not hear their truth or be associated with this group until he had a job. My younger brother is handicapped. I know the he would not be welcomed by this group. Anyone like me with difficult questions like me are viewed as undesireable. I can not get these folks to even have a real discussion with me. Once I even tried to go into one of their churches only to be turned away at the door. (Which by the way had a security camera at the door. Creepy) Their truth is not open to me. I cannot buy their books or log into many parts of their website. To log into many parts of this cults website you must be a member, have what's called a life number, and also have a password. You must have a password to learn the truth? When I found out about this life number a cold chill went down my spine. I was very creeped out. When was the last time in history people were numbered by a group? Try World War Two. According to this group they have the Book of Life which is a computer data base where people are listed and numbered. I'm creeped out again just talking about it. I am written in the Lambs Book of Life and never have I felt creeped out by it or felt like I am just a number.
In the epistle of James it speaks to the idea of keeping the truth away from some and open to others. James 2 My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? (Just like the WMSCOG has done with the administrators of this website.) Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called? (The New Name Perhaps) If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
I will not presume to speak for anyone else on this matter but I'm going to do my best to live up to Gods Word when it comes to this. The example set by the WMSCOG condems it's members by picking and choosing who gets to hear and who is cut off from the truth. I would also call into the light the expectation of members to dress up to a certain standard of affluence but that topic might be better served in a different post altogether.
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Shimon,
I was a bit confused about the verses you pointed out so I looked at the context of the chapter to see if I could figure it out. I copied and pasted Zecheriah 14:1-9 here and bolded a few things that stood out to me:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
What does any of that have to do with a service on Tuesday evening?? What does any of this have to do with Zhang Gil Jah in Korea?? Do you believe that she represents Jerusalem? If so, then when was she "captured" and "raped"? When was her house "ransacked"?
Yes. You are looking at this literally not figuratively. Mother being persecutted by Satan and peoples of this world is like being captured raped and ransacked.
Define the persecution that you mean. People saying that she is not "god" is hardly a way of capturing and raping her even in a figurative sense. All of the pictures I've ever seen of her, have been of her smiling. She seems generally unaffected by the figurative persecution that you claim. It also says in the verses above that God will gather the nations to fight against Jerusalem. Read verse 2 above again.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
Why would God gather "Satan and peoples of this world" as you stated, to fight against "herself"?
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Shimon,
I was a bit confused about the verses you pointed out so I looked at the context of the chapter to see if I could figure it out. I copied and pasted Zecheriah 14:1-9 here and bolded a few things that stood out to me:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
What does any of that have to do with a service on Tuesday evening?? What does any of this have to do with Zhang Gil Jah in Korea?? Do you believe that she represents Jerusalem? If so, then when was she "captured" and "raped"? When was her house "ransacked"?
Yes. You are looking at this literally not figuratively. Mother being persecutted by Satan and peoples of this world is like being captured raped and ransacked.
Define the persecution that you mean. People saying that she is not "god" is hardly a way of capturing and raping her even in a figurative sense. All of the pictures I've ever seen of her, have been of her smiling. She seems generally unaffected by the figurative persecution that you claim. It also says in the verses above that God will gather the nations to fight against Jerusalem. Read verse 2 above again.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
Why would God gather "Satan and peoples of this world" as you stated, to fight against "herself"?
I never said saying she is not God is persecuttion now did I?
Why would God gather people to persecute the church which is the not WMC itnterpretation for Heavenly Jerusalem…. You have the same problem we do because it CANNOT be Jerusalem, Israel and must be the Heavenly Jerusalem.
I never said saying she is not God is persecuttion now did I?
Why would God gather people to persecute the church which is the not WMC itnterpretation for Heavenly Jerusalem…. You have the same problem we do because it CANNOT be Jerusalem, Israel and must be the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Scripture contradicts sunrise and sunset as the times of sacrifice.
Scripture contradicts sunrise and sunset as the times of sacrifice.
shimon wrote:
I never said saying she is not God is persecuttion now did I?
Why would God gather people to persecute the church which is the not WMC itnterpretation for Heavenly Jerusalem…. You have the same problem we do because it CANNOT be Jerusalem, Israel and must be the Heavenly Jerusalem.
No you didn't say that it was persecution but I did ask you to define what you mean. Can you define what you mean by persecution?
Please clarify the second statement. I think I can agree that it doesn't make sense that God would gather people to persecute the church. That's why your interpretation of the verses doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense that God would gather people to persecute the "heavenly jerusalem" either.
shimon wrote:
I never said saying she is not God is persecuttion now did I?
Why would God gather people to persecute the church which is the not WMC itnterpretation for Heavenly Jerusalem…. You have the same problem we do because it CANNOT be Jerusalem, Israel and must be the Heavenly Jerusalem.
No you didn't say that it was persecution but I did ask you to define what you mean. Can you define what you mean by persecution?
Please clarify the second statement. I think I can agree that it doesn't make sense that God would gather people to persecute the church. That's why your interpretation of the verses doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense that God would gather people to persecute the "heavenly jerusalem" either.
It is hard to explain but some people are worse than other people and some people do things in her face rather than just deny her like you. Many people are persucutted in WMC and outside WMC and I would it all ransacking and rape metaphoricaly.
living water flows from the Jerusalem that will be captured ransacked and raped. The Physical city of Jerusalem does not have living water flowing from it. It also cannot because living water is spiritual not physical. We are stuck with a spiritual meaning behind Jerusalem.
but the question is is God gather them for the intention of them attacking Jerusalem or to expose their mind as haters of Jerusalem?
It is hard to explain but some people are worse than other people and some people do things in her face rather than just deny her like you. Many people are persucutted in WMC and outside WMC and I would it all ransacking and rape metaphoricaly.
living water flows from the Jerusalem that will be captured ransacked and raped. The Physical city of Jerusalem does not have living water flowing from it. It also cannot because living water is spiritual not physical. We are stuck with a spiritual meaning behind Jerusalem.
but the question is is God gather them for the intention of them attacking Jerusalem or to expose their mind as haters of Jerusalem?
loocpoc wrote:
shimon wrote:
Jubilee wrote:
I am sorry for the confusion regarding the moon for sabbath day. Every new moon is 7 days. That is how they kept the Sabbath day in the Bible. Yes wms says the moon represents mother. Then every 7th day is sabbath day. you can't say saturday is the 7 th day. then you are using the solar calendar. i agree with joshua it is a motter of the heart. Do you think God will not love you if you don't go to wms on the sabbath day? i hope not.
That is nonsense on multiple levels every new moon is 29-30 days
Every seventh day falls on Saturday you cannot deny this biblically.
No one said God doesn't love non-sabbath keepers.
loocpoc wrote:
Also the sabbath day starts at sundown Friday. Not all day Saturday.
To modern Jewish interpretation yes. But the day cannot begin at Erev as Jews insist or God would have to have made light on the zeroeth day because there cannot be erev before light exists.
Actually the day has always began at sundown for judaism. It has been kept that all the feasts and sabbath begin at sundown. G-d created light (or the sun) then stated "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. "
and the darkness he called night AND THERE WAS EVENING (erev) and there was morning day one
Event 1)God creates Light
Event 2)God seperates light from darkness
Event 2)God calls Light Day
Event 4)He calls Darkness Night
Event 5)The light dimminishes (erev often translated evening)
Event 6)Morning
loocpoc wrote:
shimon wrote:
Jubilee wrote:
I am sorry for the confusion regarding the moon for sabbath day. Every new moon is 7 days. That is how they kept the Sabbath day in the Bible. Yes wms says the moon represents mother. Then every 7th day is sabbath day. you can't say saturday is the 7 th day. then you are using the solar calendar. i agree with joshua it is a motter of the heart. Do you think God will not love you if you don't go to wms on the sabbath day? i hope not.
That is nonsense on multiple levels every new moon is 29-30 days
Every seventh day falls on Saturday you cannot deny this biblically.
No one said God doesn't love non-sabbath keepers.
loocpoc wrote:
Also the sabbath day starts at sundown Friday. Not all day Saturday.
To modern Jewish interpretation yes. But the day cannot begin at Erev as Jews insist or God would have to have made light on the zeroeth day because there cannot be erev before light exists.
Actually the day has always began at sundown for judaism. It has been kept that all the feasts and sabbath begin at sundown. G-d created light (or the sun) then stated "And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. "
and the darkness he called night AND THERE WAS EVENING (erev) and there was morning day one
Event 1)God creates Light
Event 2)God seperates light from darkness
Event 2)God calls Light Day
Event 4)He calls Darkness Night
Event 5)The light dimminishes (erev often translated evening)
Event 6)Morning
btw not every feast is said to start at Erev ONE feast going from Erev of Day nine to Erev of Day Ten would be kept on the 9th according to sunset theory but is kept on the tenth actually enforcing against sunset theory.
btw not every feast is said to start at Erev ONE feast going from Erev of Day nine to Erev of Day Ten would be kept on the 9th according to sunset theory but is kept on the tenth actually enforcing against sunset theory.
loocpoc wrote:
But does it not state specifically in Breshit (Genesis) that evening and day were not to be called one day? Does the current day not start at midnight and at 11:59pm?
It does not.
loocpoc wrote:
But does it not state specifically in Breshit (Genesis) that evening and day were not to be called one day? Does the current day not start at midnight and at 11:59pm?
It does not.
still does not say it
still does not say it
yep
Events occur in a day
Erev occurs
Morning occurs concluding the described day and starting the next day
yep
Events occur in a day
Erev occurs
Morning occurs concluding the described day and starting the next day
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