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This will always get under my skin. Since when does this group, who supposedly has the truth, get to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't? This is one of the biggest indicators of just how big of a scam this group is. Where are the handicapped individuals? Where are the homeless or the down and out? I have spoken with one person who lost his job because of the time demands placed on him by this cult and then he was told to get a job. When he did not get a job soon enough to suit this group the deacon threw him out and instructed other members not to associate with this man. This man did talk to two of his friends briefly and they asked him if he had done what the deacon instructed? According to the actions of this group this man could not hear their truth or be associated with this group until he had a job. My younger brother is handicapped. I know the he would not be welcomed by this group. Anyone like me with difficult questions like me are viewed as undesireable. I can not get these folks to even have a real discussion with me. Once I even tried to go into one of their churches only to be turned away at the door. (Which by the way had a security camera at the door. Creepy) Their truth is not open to me. I cannot buy their books or log into many parts of their website. To log into many parts of this cults website you must be a member, have what's called a life number, and also have a password. You must have a password to learn the truth? When I found out about this life number a cold chill went down my spine. I was very creeped out. When was the last time in history people were numbered by a group? Try World War Two. According to this group they have the Book of Life which is a computer data base where people are listed and numbered. I'm creeped out again just talking about it. I am written in the Lambs Book of Life and never have I felt creeped out by it or felt like I am just a number.
In the epistle of James it speaks to the idea of keeping the truth away from some and open to others. James 2 My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? (Just like the WMSCOG has done with the administrators of this website.) Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called? (The New Name Perhaps) If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
I will not presume to speak for anyone else on this matter but I'm going to do my best to live up to Gods Word when it comes to this. The example set by the WMSCOG condems it's members by picking and choosing who gets to hear and who is cut off from the truth. I would also call into the light the expectation of members to dress up to a certain standard of affluence but that topic might be better served in a different post altogether.
renita.payno wrote:
I did ask about the 3rd service & why it's not a regulation in the bible. As it was explained to me, the NT says every woman must have her head covered.. every man must not.. It doesn't specify what we should cover our heads with. I could use a box & be considered following this regulation. But I use the veil because it is the example of Mother who is God. Because God keeps 3 services, I keep 3. However, there is no verse in the bible saying we must keep a 3rd service…
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
renita.payno wrote:
I did ask about the 3rd service & why it's not a regulation in the bible. As it was explained to me, the NT says every woman must have her head covered.. every man must not.. It doesn't specify what we should cover our heads with. I could use a box & be considered following this regulation. But I use the veil because it is the example of Mother who is God. Because God keeps 3 services, I keep 3. However, there is no verse in the bible saying we must keep a 3rd service…
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
Emily:
I have that same question. But I didn't ask because I was discouraged from asking questions by my Missionary. She said I asked too many irrelevant questions. She also made me question my faith. If I had faith, I wouldn't ask so many questions. That didn't and still doesn't sit well with me.
Emily:
I have that same question. But I didn't ask because I was discouraged from asking questions by my Missionary. She said I asked too many irrelevant questions. She also made me question my faith. If I had faith, I wouldn't ask so many questions. That didn't and still doesn't sit well with me.
Joshua wrote:
One other thing, you keep saying that I hate you. You are projecting your feelings onto me and I really don't care for that.
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=175&page=4#post-2114
Once again I think you're trying to lead others astray.
Sure looks like it to me…
Please don't mistake our attempts to help as pursecution or hate.
YOU are the only one here I believe comes close to persecuting in this entire website. There is no "our" merely "my" Genny Emily TTR Loocpoc are all able to not accuse me of trying to lead people to hell.
Joshua wrote:
One other thing, you keep saying that I hate you. You are projecting your feelings onto me and I really don't care for that.
https://www.examiningthewmscog.com/forum/topic.php?id=175&page=4#post-2114
Once again I think you're trying to lead others astray.
Sure looks like it to me…
Please don't mistake our attempts to help as pursecution or hate.
YOU are the only one here I believe comes close to persecuting in this entire website. There is no "our" merely "my" Genny Emily TTR Loocpoc are all able to not accuse me of trying to lead people to hell.
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Shimon,
I was a bit confused about the verses you pointed out so I looked at the context of the chapter to see if I could figure it out. I copied and pasted Zecheriah 14:1-9 here and bolded a few things that stood out to me:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
What does any of that have to do with a service on Tuesday evening?? What does any of this have to do with Zhang Gil Jah in Korea?? Do you believe that she represents Jerusalem? If so, then when was she "captured" and "raped"? When was her house "ransacked"?
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Shimon,
I was a bit confused about the verses you pointed out so I looked at the context of the chapter to see if I could figure it out. I copied and pasted Zecheriah 14:1-9 here and bolded a few things that stood out to me:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
What does any of that have to do with a service on Tuesday evening?? What does any of this have to do with Zhang Gil Jah in Korea?? Do you believe that she represents Jerusalem? If so, then when was she "captured" and "raped"? When was her house "ransacked"?
Emily wrote:
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Shimon,
I was a bit confused about the verses you pointed out so I looked at the context of the chapter to see if I could figure it out. I copied and pasted Zecheriah 14:1-9 here and bolded a few things that stood out to me:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
What does any of that have to do with a service on Tuesday evening?? What does any of this have to do with Zhang Gil Jah in Korea?? Do you believe that she represents Jerusalem? If so, then when was she "captured" and "raped"? When was her house "ransacked"?
Yes. You are looking at this literally not figuratively. Mother being persecutted by Satan and peoples of this world is like being captured raped and ransacked.
Emily wrote:
shimon wrote:
Emily wrote:
Then why aren't there 3 services on the third day (Tuesday) too? Let me guess…because Zhang doesn't observe 3 services on Tuesday? The WMS claims to "follow the Bible" but has a lot of extra-Biblical practices that they claim are "encouraged" for your salvation.
The command it to keep the Sabbath DAY the command for third day is to cleanse yourself with the water.
7:30/8:00 comes from
Zechariah 14:6 On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. 7:It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime —a day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
Shimon,
I was a bit confused about the verses you pointed out so I looked at the context of the chapter to see if I could figure it out. I copied and pasted Zecheriah 14:1-9 here and bolded a few things that stood out to me:
A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
What does any of that have to do with a service on Tuesday evening?? What does any of this have to do with Zhang Gil Jah in Korea?? Do you believe that she represents Jerusalem? If so, then when was she "captured" and "raped"? When was her house "ransacked"?
Yes. You are looking at this literally not figuratively. Mother being persecutted by Satan and peoples of this world is like being captured raped and ransacked.
Oh and it is about evening appointed times not just tuesday service
Oh and it is about evening appointed times not just tuesday service
renita.payno wrote:
Emily:
I have that same question. But I didn't ask because I was discouraged from asking questions by my Missionary. She said I asked too many irrelevant questions. She also made me question my faith. If I had faith, I wouldn't ask so many questions. That didn't and still doesn't sit well with me.
Renita,
The same thing happened to me when I started asking questions and it made me really uncomfortable too so I think I know how you feel. I have even heard services dedicated to this topic as well. "Don't ask questions, just follow…". But I asked myself why they would discourage me to ask questions. The Bible says to test the spirits 1 John 4:1. How do you do that if you don't ask questions? Shouldn't "the truth" stand up to any questioning?
After doing a little research on other groups that you may even agree are controversial in their teachings and methods of social influence, I found out that they also discourage any questioning from their members. It seems to me that if you question things, you are actually thinking and processing what you are being taught and what you are being exposed to. I could see how this would be a negative thing because when I really started questioning and paying attention to my surroundings, things just didn't add up. You shouldn't brush these feelings under the rug or file them away, so to speak. If you have the feeling that something just isn't right, it's probably because something just isn't right. Keep searching and pray for clarity. Don't let them convince you that your own thoughts are your enemies like they tried to do to me.
renita.payno wrote:
Emily:
I have that same question. But I didn't ask because I was discouraged from asking questions by my Missionary. She said I asked too many irrelevant questions. She also made me question my faith. If I had faith, I wouldn't ask so many questions. That didn't and still doesn't sit well with me.
Renita,
The same thing happened to me when I started asking questions and it made me really uncomfortable too so I think I know how you feel. I have even heard services dedicated to this topic as well. "Don't ask questions, just follow…". But I asked myself why they would discourage me to ask questions. The Bible says to test the spirits 1 John 4:1. How do you do that if you don't ask questions? Shouldn't "the truth" stand up to any questioning?
After doing a little research on other groups that you may even agree are controversial in their teachings and methods of social influence, I found out that they also discourage any questioning from their members. It seems to me that if you question things, you are actually thinking and processing what you are being taught and what you are being exposed to. I could see how this would be a negative thing because when I really started questioning and paying attention to my surroundings, things just didn't add up. You shouldn't brush these feelings under the rug or file them away, so to speak. If you have the feeling that something just isn't right, it's probably because something just isn't right. Keep searching and pray for clarity. Don't let them convince you that your own thoughts are your enemies like they tried to do to me.
loocpoc wrote:
I only think your a tax evader ๐ (Just kidding)..
LOL
I think debate is good.. But I want one thing.. My friend out of a false church.. I know what happens when false messiahs rise…
Well ultimately we all want everyone we love to serve true God correctly we just cannot seem to agree who and what that means.
Ultimately there are too many false Messiahs which just makes everything complicated.
loocpoc wrote:
I only think your a tax evader ๐ (Just kidding)..
LOL
I think debate is good.. But I want one thing.. My friend out of a false church.. I know what happens when false messiahs rise…
Well ultimately we all want everyone we love to serve true God correctly we just cannot seem to agree who and what that means.
Ultimately there are too many false Messiahs which just makes everything complicated.
shimon wrote:
Oh and it is about evening appointed times not just tuesday service
I still don't understand where the 730/800 comes from. Can you explain that a little more?
And also, where are the verses that determine the time for the morning and afternoon servies during the sabbath?
shimon wrote:
Oh and it is about evening appointed times not just tuesday service
I still don't understand where the 730/800 comes from. Can you explain that a little more?
And also, where are the verses that determine the time for the morning and afternoon servies during the sabbath?
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