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This will always get under my skin. Since when does this group, who supposedly has the truth, get to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't? This is one of the biggest indicators of just how big of a scam this group is. Where are the handicapped individuals? Where are the homeless or the down and out? I have spoken with one person who lost his job because of the time demands placed on him by this cult and then he was told to get a job. When he did not get a job soon enough to suit this group the deacon threw him out and instructed other members not to associate with this man. This man did talk to two of his friends briefly and they asked him if he had done what the deacon instructed? According to the actions of this group this man could not hear their truth or be associated with this group until he had a job. My younger brother is handicapped. I know the he would not be welcomed by this group. Anyone like me with difficult questions like me are viewed as undesireable. I can not get these folks to even have a real discussion with me. Once I even tried to go into one of their churches only to be turned away at the door. (Which by the way had a security camera at the door. Creepy) Their truth is not open to me. I cannot buy their books or log into many parts of their website. To log into many parts of this cults website you must be a member, have what's called a life number, and also have a password. You must have a password to learn the truth? When I found out about this life number a cold chill went down my spine. I was very creeped out. When was the last time in history people were numbered by a group? Try World War Two. According to this group they have the Book of Life which is a computer data base where people are listed and numbered. I'm creeped out again just talking about it. I am written in the Lambs Book of Life and never have I felt creeped out by it or felt like I am just a number.
In the epistle of James it speaks to the idea of keeping the truth away from some and open to others. James 2 My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? (Just like the WMSCOG has done with the administrators of this website.) Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called? (The New Name Perhaps) If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
I will not presume to speak for anyone else on this matter but I'm going to do my best to live up to Gods Word when it comes to this. The example set by the WMSCOG condems it's members by picking and choosing who gets to hear and who is cut off from the truth. I would also call into the light the expectation of members to dress up to a certain standard of affluence but that topic might be better served in a different post altogether.
Jubilee wrote:
The Sabbath Day is a good thing. But, if we are going by the lunar calendar like all the other feasts of God then please do some research on that. The Sacred Calendar is what God used beginning in Exodus 12:1-2. Then please, please find out why they only celebrate the 7 Feasts by Sacred Calendar but not the Holy Sabbath Day? The moon represents who? Then we need to follow the moon. Becareful!!! They are very tricky.
The Holy Sabbath day is by the sacred Calendar
For example: ASH bday was supposely DEc 1, 2011 but it was observed Dec 25, 2011 that makes 25 days difference in the Lunar & Solar calendar.
No not 1 December 1st Day of the 12th Month Lunar Calendar
Jubilee wrote:
The Sabbath Day is a good thing. But, if we are going by the lunar calendar like all the other feasts of God then please do some research on that. The Sacred Calendar is what God used beginning in Exodus 12:1-2. Then please, please find out why they only celebrate the 7 Feasts by Sacred Calendar but not the Holy Sabbath Day? The moon represents who? Then we need to follow the moon. Becareful!!! They are very tricky.
The Holy Sabbath day is by the sacred Calendar
For example: ASH bday was supposely DEc 1, 2011 but it was observed Dec 25, 2011 that makes 25 days difference in the Lunar & Solar calendar.
No not 1 December 1st Day of the 12th Month Lunar Calendar
Yes, as I have mentioned in another post, the COG keeps track using the lunar calendar & yet you continue to imply we keep track using the solar calendar. Also, in your question, "The moon represents who?" As I was taught, the moon represents Mother who keeps the entire Sabbath Day. Yes, we need to follow the moon (Mother). As I was taught, Father said, "I follow Mother." In following Mother, we should keep the entire Sabbath. But I'm sure if I asked a Korean if they kept the whole Sabbath in Korea, she would say yes. So, honestly, there's no way for me to confirm that it is only the US who are told to keep the whole day unless I visited Zions outside of America. But, there's no need for that for we have other military members who have kept the entire Sabbath in Korea and other countries as well as other Feast days.
Yes, as I have mentioned in another post, the COG keeps track using the lunar calendar & yet you continue to imply we keep track using the solar calendar. Also, in your question, "The moon represents who?" As I was taught, the moon represents Mother who keeps the entire Sabbath Day. Yes, we need to follow the moon (Mother). As I was taught, Father said, "I follow Mother." In following Mother, we should keep the entire Sabbath. But I'm sure if I asked a Korean if they kept the whole Sabbath in Korea, she would say yes. So, honestly, there's no way for me to confirm that it is only the US who are told to keep the whole day unless I visited Zions outside of America. But, there's no need for that for we have other military members who have kept the entire Sabbath in Korea and other countries as well as other Feast days.
Joshua wrote:
What puzzles me is that the WMS in the USA started the whole day at the church idea. Men sat down, had a meeting, made a decision for everyone. This decision didn't come from Korea. Men made this decision and we are not supposed to follow the ways of men.
Do you have a citation for this not being from Mother? I also would like to further say the church encourages not forces members to keep all three services. New York City Zion even has special parking arrangements to make it easier for those only staying one service to leave.
Joshua wrote:
What puzzles me is that the WMS in the USA started the whole day at the church idea. Men sat down, had a meeting, made a decision for everyone. This decision didn't come from Korea. Men made this decision and we are not supposed to follow the ways of men.
Do you have a citation for this not being from Mother? I also would like to further say the church encourages not forces members to keep all three services. New York City Zion even has special parking arrangements to make it easier for those only staying one service to leave.
Actually what joshua said is true. I asked pastor about this keeping the whole day. and he said that in the bible it said that its only 2 services. I asked where does it says that in the bible and he pointed out to a verse where the apostle where preaCHING AFTER THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT
Actually what joshua said is true. I asked pastor about this keeping the whole day. and he said that in the bible it said that its only 2 services. I asked where does it says that in the bible and he pointed out to a verse where the apostle where preaCHING AFTER THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT
I think you are confused
I think you are confused
I am sorry for the confusion regarding the moon for sabbath day. Every new moon is 7 days. That is how they kept the Sabbath day in the Bible. Yes wms says the moon represents mother. Then every 7th day is sabbath day. you can't say saturday is the 7 th day. then you are using the solar calendar. i agree with joshua it is a motter of the heart. Do you think God will not love you if you don't go to wms on the sabbath day? i hope not.
I am sorry for the confusion regarding the moon for sabbath day. Every new moon is 7 days. That is how they kept the Sabbath day in the Bible. Yes wms says the moon represents mother. Then every 7th day is sabbath day. you can't say saturday is the 7 th day. then you are using the solar calendar. i agree with joshua it is a motter of the heart. Do you think God will not love you if you don't go to wms on the sabbath day? i hope not.
Jubilee wrote:
I am sorry for the confusion regarding the moon for sabbath day. Every new moon is 7 days. That is how they kept the Sabbath day in the Bible. Yes wms says the moon represents mother. Then every 7th day is sabbath day. you can't say saturday is the 7 th day. then you are using the solar calendar. i agree with joshua it is a motter of the heart. Do you think God will not love you if you don't go to wms on the sabbath day? i hope not.
That is nonsense on multiple levels every new moon is 29-30 days
Every seventh day falls on Saturday you cannot deny this biblically.
No one said God doesn't love non-sabbath keepers.
loocpoc wrote:
Also the sabbath day starts at sundown Friday. Not all day Saturday.
To modern Jewish interpretation yes. But the day cannot begin at Erev as Jews insist or God would have to have made light on the zeroeth day because there cannot be erev before light exists.
Jubilee wrote:
I am sorry for the confusion regarding the moon for sabbath day. Every new moon is 7 days. That is how they kept the Sabbath day in the Bible. Yes wms says the moon represents mother. Then every 7th day is sabbath day. you can't say saturday is the 7 th day. then you are using the solar calendar. i agree with joshua it is a motter of the heart. Do you think God will not love you if you don't go to wms on the sabbath day? i hope not.
That is nonsense on multiple levels every new moon is 29-30 days
Every seventh day falls on Saturday you cannot deny this biblically.
No one said God doesn't love non-sabbath keepers.
loocpoc wrote:
Also the sabbath day starts at sundown Friday. Not all day Saturday.
To modern Jewish interpretation yes. But the day cannot begin at Erev as Jews insist or God would have to have made light on the zeroeth day because there cannot be erev before light exists.
I did ask about the 3rd service & why it's not a regulation in the bible. As it was explained to me, the NT says every woman must have her head covered.. every man must not.. It doesn't specify what we should cover our heads with. I could use a box & be considered following this regulation. But I use the veil because it is the example of Mother who is God. Because God keeps 3 services, I keep 3. However, there is no verse in the bible saying we must keep a 3rd service.
But I just refer back to the Sabbath day & not the Sabbath service. Also, the Sabbath in the OT was a day or year of rest. As explained to me through much studying, the reason why we keep the Sabbath is to understand the spiritual rest we will receive in the kingdom of Heaven. I did find it very interesting that in the Creation, when God rested, it doesn't say, "There was evening & there was morning; the 7th day."
I did ask about the 3rd service & why it's not a regulation in the bible. As it was explained to me, the NT says every woman must have her head covered.. every man must not.. It doesn't specify what we should cover our heads with. I could use a box & be considered following this regulation. But I use the veil because it is the example of Mother who is God. Because God keeps 3 services, I keep 3. However, there is no verse in the bible saying we must keep a 3rd service.
But I just refer back to the Sabbath day & not the Sabbath service. Also, the Sabbath in the OT was a day or year of rest. As explained to me through much studying, the reason why we keep the Sabbath is to understand the spiritual rest we will receive in the kingdom of Heaven. I did find it very interesting that in the Creation, when God rested, it doesn't say, "There was evening & there was morning; the 7th day."
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