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This will always get under my skin. Since when does this group, who supposedly has the truth, get to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't? This is one of the biggest indicators of just how big of a scam this group is. Where are the handicapped individuals? Where are the homeless or the down and out? I have spoken with one person who lost his job because of the time demands placed on him by this cult and then he was told to get a job. When he did not get a job soon enough to suit this group the deacon threw him out and instructed other members not to associate with this man. This man did talk to two of his friends briefly and they asked him if he had done what the deacon instructed? According to the actions of this group this man could not hear their truth or be associated with this group until he had a job. My younger brother is handicapped. I know the he would not be welcomed by this group. Anyone like me with difficult questions like me are viewed as undesireable. I can not get these folks to even have a real discussion with me. Once I even tried to go into one of their churches only to be turned away at the door. (Which by the way had a security camera at the door. Creepy) Their truth is not open to me. I cannot buy their books or log into many parts of their website. To log into many parts of this cults website you must be a member, have what's called a life number, and also have a password. You must have a password to learn the truth? When I found out about this life number a cold chill went down my spine. I was very creeped out. When was the last time in history people were numbered by a group? Try World War Two. According to this group they have the Book of Life which is a computer data base where people are listed and numbered. I'm creeped out again just talking about it. I am written in the Lambs Book of Life and never have I felt creeped out by it or felt like I am just a number.
In the epistle of James it speaks to the idea of keeping the truth away from some and open to others. James 2 My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? (Just like the WMSCOG has done with the administrators of this website.) Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called? (The New Name Perhaps) If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
I will not presume to speak for anyone else on this matter but I'm going to do my best to live up to Gods Word when it comes to this. The example set by the WMSCOG condems it's members by picking and choosing who gets to hear and who is cut off from the truth. I would also call into the light the expectation of members to dress up to a certain standard of affluence but that topic might be better served in a different post altogether.
ed144 wrote:
Im white and you all sound like fools you should ask are black president lol. But I will tell you this many korean woman are getting married to americam men but you will not see them with a mexican or a black man have you not noticed. why do you think that is if they teach we are brothers and sisters from heaven? In the beginnig of the Los Angeles church we had several blacks come to church the first 3 years but none stayed. Elder dainel now pastor in NY church leaned over and said this to me. Its hard for the blacks to be saved they are under a curse from god because of the sons of noah thats why africa has such problems throughout there history and not many of them will be saved in the last days. I dare any black man to ask for a wife from korea they will not do it for you but if a white man ask it will get approved test this and you will see. The koreans dont think much of a race of people under the curse of noahs 2 sons and from that teaching they think koreans and whites are blessed by God because noahs 2 other sons where blessed by God and thats where we come from. Maybe thats why we dont hear there fause teachings we are blessed more than you LOL it seems gods measengers are racist. Just like you will never see a pastor that is not korean anywhere in the world why do you think that is does anyone know somone who has attended there academies in Korea pay attention and you will see they think they are better than everyone elce and they are working togeather keeping you in the dark so open your eyes.
My deacon is black married to a Korean woman.
My Pastor trains everyone in Elohim Academy to the same standards as when he taught Pastors.
ed144 wrote:
When I came to the church they had hoped I would step up into a dominant position but I was not realy intrested in that. So they jumped at the next white guy who came to the church he became the mitionary in LA for the last ten years. Ron left the church recently because of all the lies etc etc so they put another white boy with bloned hair and blue eyes in his position. justin has been in church for less than three years and has very little bible knowledge or understanding it seems the church likes to have some kined of image and the reason they want lots of white people is thay are more successful and are able to support the church with a 10% of tith. A higher income means more mony for there buisness.which is all about more money for the church seem like good buisness to me. Now the church has its footing in the USA now they are in a youth movement. Its because you are controlable and moldable. Most of the firts members are gone now and very few remain. Its because we have seen the teachings change and the history they taught us is all a lie.
again ALL the people with positions in my church are black and hispanic.
and we also preach more often in the poor parts of town not the rich parts of town.
ed144 wrote:
Im white and you all sound like fools you should ask are black president lol. But I will tell you this many korean woman are getting married to americam men but you will not see them with a mexican or a black man have you not noticed. why do you think that is if they teach we are brothers and sisters from heaven? In the beginnig of the Los Angeles church we had several blacks come to church the first 3 years but none stayed. Elder dainel now pastor in NY church leaned over and said this to me. Its hard for the blacks to be saved they are under a curse from god because of the sons of noah thats why africa has such problems throughout there history and not many of them will be saved in the last days. I dare any black man to ask for a wife from korea they will not do it for you but if a white man ask it will get approved test this and you will see. The koreans dont think much of a race of people under the curse of noahs 2 sons and from that teaching they think koreans and whites are blessed by God because noahs 2 other sons where blessed by God and thats where we come from. Maybe thats why we dont hear there fause teachings we are blessed more than you LOL it seems gods measengers are racist. Just like you will never see a pastor that is not korean anywhere in the world why do you think that is does anyone know somone who has attended there academies in Korea pay attention and you will see they think they are better than everyone elce and they are working togeather keeping you in the dark so open your eyes.
My deacon is black married to a Korean woman.
My Pastor trains everyone in Elohim Academy to the same standards as when he taught Pastors.
ed144 wrote:
When I came to the church they had hoped I would step up into a dominant position but I was not realy intrested in that. So they jumped at the next white guy who came to the church he became the mitionary in LA for the last ten years. Ron left the church recently because of all the lies etc etc so they put another white boy with bloned hair and blue eyes in his position. justin has been in church for less than three years and has very little bible knowledge or understanding it seems the church likes to have some kined of image and the reason they want lots of white people is thay are more successful and are able to support the church with a 10% of tith. A higher income means more mony for there buisness.which is all about more money for the church seem like good buisness to me. Now the church has its footing in the USA now they are in a youth movement. Its because you are controlable and moldable. Most of the firts members are gone now and very few remain. Its because we have seen the teachings change and the history they taught us is all a lie.
again ALL the people with positions in my church are black and hispanic.
and we also preach more often in the poor parts of town not the rich parts of town.
Shimon, do you agree that things may be different in wmscog congregations other than your own?
I mean, I occasionally hear about what some Christians (individuals or congregations) have said or done that just makes me cringe, it's so awful. It's not representative of the teaching of Jesus or the beliefs of the majority of Christians.
The question here, if there is a difference in behaviors between your congregation and those the others here have experienced, which is the more common behavior?
Shimon, do you agree that things may be different in wmscog congregations other than your own?
I mean, I occasionally hear about what some Christians (individuals or congregations) have said or done that just makes me cringe, it's so awful. It's not representative of the teaching of Jesus or the beliefs of the majority of Christians.
The question here, if there is a difference in behaviors between your congregation and those the others here have experienced, which is the more common behavior?
False prophets exist in zion that’s why scripture says judgement starts with those in Jerusalem
False prophets exist in zion that’s why scripture says judgement starts with those in Jerusalem
False prophets do exist. One guy is sharing about Sabbath something that isn’t true. I’ve gone preaching with some people who share different ideas. I brought this to my group leaders attention. Even I was told not to believe everything a Brother or Sister says for fear of spreading false teachings.
False prophets do exist. One guy is sharing about Sabbath something that isn’t true. I’ve gone preaching with some people who share different ideas. I brought this to my group leaders attention. Even I was told not to believe everything a Brother or Sister says for fear of spreading false teachings.
the physical city of Jerusalem is yes.
the physical city of Jerusalem is yes.
I do read my Bible it doesn't say where New Jerusalem will show up actually.`
I do read my Bible it doesn't say where New Jerusalem will show up actually.`
shimon wrote:
I do read my Bible it doesn't say where New Jerusalem will show up actually.`
Ahn says it will come down after 1000 years:
그러나 하늘에 새 예루살렘성은 14만 4천 성도가 생기기전에 예수님께서 지어 놓으신 것이다. 기록된 바
But the heavenly New Jerusalem was built by Jesus before the 144,000 saints existed. It is written:
(히 8장 1-2절) "이제 하는 말의 중요한 것은 이러한 대제사장이 우리에게 있는 것이라 그가 하늘에서 위엄의 보좌 우편에 앉으셨으니 성소와 참 장막에 부리는 자라 이 장막은 주께서 베푸신 것이요 사람이 한 것이 아니니라"
(Hebrews 8:1-2) “Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.”
주께서 베푸신 이 장막은 지상사업 마치고 천년이 지난 후에 하늘에서 내려올 것을 보이신것이다.
This tabernacle built by the Lord will come down from heaven after one thousand years after the completion of earthly missions.
-Ahn Sahng-Hong, Problems with New Jerusalem, the Bride and Women's Veils, Ch 8, available online
i think the WMS does not fit this timeline.
shimon wrote:
I do read my Bible it doesn't say where New Jerusalem will show up actually.`
Ahn says it will come down after 1000 years:
그러나 하늘에 새 예루살렘성은 14만 4천 성도가 생기기전에 예수님께서 지어 놓으신 것이다. 기록된 바
But the heavenly New Jerusalem was built by Jesus before the 144,000 saints existed. It is written:
(히 8장 1-2절) "이제 하는 말의 중요한 것은 이러한 대제사장이 우리에게 있는 것이라 그가 하늘에서 위엄의 보좌 우편에 앉으셨으니 성소와 참 장막에 부리는 자라 이 장막은 주께서 베푸신 것이요 사람이 한 것이 아니니라"
(Hebrews 8:1-2) “Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.”
주께서 베푸신 이 장막은 지상사업 마치고 천년이 지난 후에 하늘에서 내려올 것을 보이신것이다.
This tabernacle built by the Lord will come down from heaven after one thousand years after the completion of earthly missions.
-Ahn Sahng-Hong, Problems with New Jerusalem, the Bride and Women's Veils, Ch 8, available online
i think the WMS does not fit this timeline.
loocpoc:
This Brother is telling people that you only have to make it to 1 of the 3 services on the Sabbath. But that's not true. The Scripture says keep the Sabbath day not the Sabbath service….. To tell people they don't have to keep the whole day is a different gospel which is no gospel at all. That's only 1 example. I can't think of any other right now. If you haven't noticed, I really love the Sabbath day. It's so easy to see. So, many of my examples will revolve around it.
loocpoc:
This Brother is telling people that you only have to make it to 1 of the 3 services on the Sabbath. But that's not true. The Scripture says keep the Sabbath day not the Sabbath service….. To tell people they don't have to keep the whole day is a different gospel which is no gospel at all. That's only 1 example. I can't think of any other right now. If you haven't noticed, I really love the Sabbath day. It's so easy to see. So, many of my examples will revolve around it.
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