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This will always get under my skin. Since when does this group, who supposedly has the truth, get to choose who gets to be saved and who doesn't? This is one of the biggest indicators of just how big of a scam this group is. Where are the handicapped individuals? Where are the homeless or the down and out? I have spoken with one person who lost his job because of the time demands placed on him by this cult and then he was told to get a job. When he did not get a job soon enough to suit this group the deacon threw him out and instructed other members not to associate with this man. This man did talk to two of his friends briefly and they asked him if he had done what the deacon instructed? According to the actions of this group this man could not hear their truth or be associated with this group until he had a job. My younger brother is handicapped. I know the he would not be welcomed by this group. Anyone like me with difficult questions like me are viewed as undesireable. I can not get these folks to even have a real discussion with me. Once I even tried to go into one of their churches only to be turned away at the door. (Which by the way had a security camera at the door. Creepy) Their truth is not open to me. I cannot buy their books or log into many parts of their website. To log into many parts of this cults website you must be a member, have what's called a life number, and also have a password. You must have a password to learn the truth? When I found out about this life number a cold chill went down my spine. I was very creeped out. When was the last time in history people were numbered by a group? Try World War Two. According to this group they have the Book of Life which is a computer data base where people are listed and numbered. I'm creeped out again just talking about it. I am written in the Lambs Book of Life and never have I felt creeped out by it or felt like I am just a number.
In the epistle of James it speaks to the idea of keeping the truth away from some and open to others. James 2 My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, "You sit here in a good place," and say to the poor man, "You stand there," or, "Sit here at my footstool," have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? (Just like the WMSCOG has done with the administrators of this website.) Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called? (The New Name Perhaps) If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
I will not presume to speak for anyone else on this matter but I'm going to do my best to live up to Gods Word when it comes to this. The example set by the WMSCOG condems it's members by picking and choosing who gets to hear and who is cut off from the truth. I would also call into the light the expectation of members to dress up to a certain standard of affluence but that topic might be better served in a different post altogether.
shimon wrote:
Is it really that easy to do that? Really?
most churches have an established community outreach to serve the poor and suffering in their community. things like:
-prison programs to minister to those in jail and rehabilitate persons being released
-food pantries where the poor in the community can come for assistance
-home visitation programs for visiting the sick and elderly
-hospital visitations for visiting those who are ill
-nursing home visitation
-programs for handling cases of homelessness to get people to temporary shelters and work programs
-pro-life ministry for counseling post-abortive women
mind you, that none of this is necssarily filmed and on YouTube.
i don't see much of this in the WMS.
i see a lot of park cleaning, blood drives, and sock/blanket drives. (and one video of a nursing home visit). they are plastered all over YouTube… meanwhile i would argue the other local churches are doing a lot more to serve their neighbors and are not necessarily advertising it.
i'd be interested to see a consistent outreach by the WMS to the poor in their community.. and it'd be nice if it wasn't made into a promotional video.
shimon wrote:
Is it really that easy to do that? Really?
most churches have an established community outreach to serve the poor and suffering in their community. things like:
-prison programs to minister to those in jail and rehabilitate persons being released
-food pantries where the poor in the community can come for assistance
-home visitation programs for visiting the sick and elderly
-hospital visitations for visiting those who are ill
-nursing home visitation
-programs for handling cases of homelessness to get people to temporary shelters and work programs
-pro-life ministry for counseling post-abortive women
mind you, that none of this is necssarily filmed and on YouTube.
i don't see much of this in the WMS.
i see a lot of park cleaning, blood drives, and sock/blanket drives. (and one video of a nursing home visit). they are plastered all over YouTube… meanwhile i would argue the other local churches are doing a lot more to serve their neighbors and are not necessarily advertising it.
i'd be interested to see a consistent outreach by the WMS to the poor in their community.. and it'd be nice if it wasn't made into a promotional video.
ttr wrote:
i'd be interested to see a consistent outreach by the WMS to the poor in their community.. and it'd be nice if it wasn't made into a promotional video.
How would you see it then?… lol
ttr wrote:
most churches have an established community outreach to serve the poor and suffering in their community. things like:
-prison programs to minister to those in jail and rehabilitate persons being released
-food pantries where the poor in the community can come for assistance
-home visitation programs for visiting the sick and elderly
-hospital visitations for visiting those who are ill
-nursing home visitation
-programs for handling cases of homelessness to get people to temporary shelters and work programs
-pro-life ministry for counseling post-abortive women
mind you, that none of this is necssarily filmed and on YouTube.
i don't see much of this in the WMS.
You cannot just butt in on other ministries even if they are false.
ttr wrote:
i'd be interested to see a consistent outreach by the WMS to the poor in their community.. and it'd be nice if it wasn't made into a promotional video.
How would you see it then?… lol
ttr wrote:
most churches have an established community outreach to serve the poor and suffering in their community. things like:
-prison programs to minister to those in jail and rehabilitate persons being released
-food pantries where the poor in the community can come for assistance
-home visitation programs for visiting the sick and elderly
-hospital visitations for visiting those who are ill
-nursing home visitation
-programs for handling cases of homelessness to get people to temporary shelters and work programs
-pro-life ministry for counseling post-abortive women
mind you, that none of this is necssarily filmed and on YouTube.
i don't see much of this in the WMS.
You cannot just butt in on other ministries even if they are false.
How would you see it then?… lol
lol
You cannot just butt in on other ministries even if they are false.
I don't understand. could you unpack this for me a little bit?
How would you see it then?… lol
lol
You cannot just butt in on other ministries even if they are false.
I don't understand. could you unpack this for me a little bit?
loocpoc wrote:
white people are generally more not adapted to listening to the preaching unlike blacks and hispanics who are more willing to listen.
can you please explain what you mean by this
loocpoc wrote:
white people are generally more not adapted to listening to the preaching unlike blacks and hispanics who are more willing to listen.
can you please explain what you mean by this
The things is that white folks are more stuborn than hispanics or blacks at least thats what they use to say. Since more white people have an education and have better income they dont really need or believe in god. not all but some. In my opinion white people are smart not listening to this teaching, im hispanic and I guess we are more open to teachings like this because we dont know better lol
The things is that white folks are more stuborn than hispanics or blacks at least thats what they use to say. Since more white people have an education and have better income they dont really need or believe in god. not all but some. In my opinion white people are smart not listening to this teaching, im hispanic and I guess we are more open to teachings like this because we dont know better lol
Im white and you all sound like fools you should ask are black president lol. But I will tell you this many korean woman are getting married to americam men but you will not see them with a mexican or a black man have you not noticed. why do you think that is if they teach we are brothers and sisters from heaven? In the beginnig of the Los Angeles church we had several blacks come to church the first 3 years but none stayed. Elder dainel now pastor in NY church leaned over and said this to me. Its hard for the blacks to be saved they are under a curse from god because of the sons of noah thats why africa has such problems throughout there history and not many of them will be saved in the last days. I dare any black man to ask for a wife from korea they will not do it for you but if a white man ask it will get approved test this and you will see. The koreans dont think much of a race of people under the curse of noahs 2 sons and from that teaching they think koreans and whites are blessed by God because noahs 2 other sons where blessed by God and thats where we come from. Maybe thats why we dont hear there fause teachings we are blessed more than you LOL it seems gods measengers are racist. Just like you will never see a pastor that is not korean anywhere in the world why do you think that is does anyone know somone who has attended there academies in Korea pay attention and you will see they think they are better than everyone elce and they are working togeather keeping you in the dark so open your eyes.
Im white and you all sound like fools you should ask are black president lol. But I will tell you this many korean woman are getting married to americam men but you will not see them with a mexican or a black man have you not noticed. why do you think that is if they teach we are brothers and sisters from heaven? In the beginnig of the Los Angeles church we had several blacks come to church the first 3 years but none stayed. Elder dainel now pastor in NY church leaned over and said this to me. Its hard for the blacks to be saved they are under a curse from god because of the sons of noah thats why africa has such problems throughout there history and not many of them will be saved in the last days. I dare any black man to ask for a wife from korea they will not do it for you but if a white man ask it will get approved test this and you will see. The koreans dont think much of a race of people under the curse of noahs 2 sons and from that teaching they think koreans and whites are blessed by God because noahs 2 other sons where blessed by God and thats where we come from. Maybe thats why we dont hear there fause teachings we are blessed more than you LOL it seems gods measengers are racist. Just like you will never see a pastor that is not korean anywhere in the world why do you think that is does anyone know somone who has attended there academies in Korea pay attention and you will see they think they are better than everyone elce and they are working togeather keeping you in the dark so open your eyes.
When I came to the church they had hoped I would step up into a dominant position but I was not realy intrested in that. So they jumped at the next white guy who came to the church he became the mitionary in LA for the last ten years. Ron left the church recently because of all the lies etc etc so they put another white boy with bloned hair and blue eyes in his position. justin has been in church for less than three years and has very little bible knowledge or understanding it seems the church likes to have some kined of image and the reason they want lots of white people is thay are more successful and are able to support the church with a 10% of tith. A higher income means more mony for there buisness.which is all about more money for the church seem like good buisness to me. Now the church has its footing in the USA now they are in a youth movement. Its because you are controlable and moldable. Most of the firts members are gone now and very few remain. Its because we have seen the teachings change and the history they taught us is all a lie.
When I came to the church they had hoped I would step up into a dominant position but I was not realy intrested in that. So they jumped at the next white guy who came to the church he became the mitionary in LA for the last ten years. Ron left the church recently because of all the lies etc etc so they put another white boy with bloned hair and blue eyes in his position. justin has been in church for less than three years and has very little bible knowledge or understanding it seems the church likes to have some kined of image and the reason they want lots of white people is thay are more successful and are able to support the church with a 10% of tith. A higher income means more mony for there buisness.which is all about more money for the church seem like good buisness to me. Now the church has its footing in the USA now they are in a youth movement. Its because you are controlable and moldable. Most of the firts members are gone now and very few remain. Its because we have seen the teachings change and the history they taught us is all a lie.
ed144 wrote:
Im white and you all sound like fools you should ask are black president lol. But I will tell you this many korean woman are getting married to americam men but you will not see them with a mexican or a black man have you not noticed. why do you think that is if they teach we are brothers and sisters from heaven? In the beginnig of the Los Angeles church we had several blacks come to church the first 3 years but none stayed. Elder dainel now pastor in NY church leaned over and said this to me. Its hard for the blacks to be saved they are under a curse from god because of the sons of noah thats why africa has such problems throughout there history and not many of them will be saved in the last days. I dare any black man to ask for a wife from korea they will not do it for you but if a white man ask it will get approved test this and you will see. The koreans dont think much of a race of people under the curse of noahs 2 sons and from that teaching they think koreans and whites are blessed by God because noahs 2 other sons where blessed by God and thats where we come from. Maybe thats why we dont hear there fause teachings we are blessed more than you LOL it seems gods measengers are racist. Just like you will never see a pastor that is not korean anywhere in the world why do you think that is does anyone know somone who has attended there academies in Korea pay attention and you will see they think they are better than everyone elce and they are working togeather keeping you in the dark so open your eyes.
I remember something very similar to this as part of the six day creation study. The part about the 3 human races (Black, White, and Asian) refers to Noah's 3 sons in Genesis 9:18-29. Ham is thought to represent the Black race, Japheth the white race, and Shem the Asian race. (Here is an article on wiki about it.) I remember when Daniel Lee (the same Daniel that ed144) is referring to, taught this study and said that because of Noah's curse, Ham's decendants were prophesied to be slaves of Japheth and Shem's decendants (Genesis 9:24-27). He then referred to the time when slaves were brough over from Africa to the United States as evidence of it's fulfillment. I was shocked and immediately looked over to see the reaction from the handleful of black people in the room. But most of them just looked down. I thought it was the most racist and offensive thing I had ever heard at the wms.
ed144 wrote:
Im white and you all sound like fools you should ask are black president lol. But I will tell you this many korean woman are getting married to americam men but you will not see them with a mexican or a black man have you not noticed. why do you think that is if they teach we are brothers and sisters from heaven? In the beginnig of the Los Angeles church we had several blacks come to church the first 3 years but none stayed. Elder dainel now pastor in NY church leaned over and said this to me. Its hard for the blacks to be saved they are under a curse from god because of the sons of noah thats why africa has such problems throughout there history and not many of them will be saved in the last days. I dare any black man to ask for a wife from korea they will not do it for you but if a white man ask it will get approved test this and you will see. The koreans dont think much of a race of people under the curse of noahs 2 sons and from that teaching they think koreans and whites are blessed by God because noahs 2 other sons where blessed by God and thats where we come from. Maybe thats why we dont hear there fause teachings we are blessed more than you LOL it seems gods measengers are racist. Just like you will never see a pastor that is not korean anywhere in the world why do you think that is does anyone know somone who has attended there academies in Korea pay attention and you will see they think they are better than everyone elce and they are working togeather keeping you in the dark so open your eyes.
I remember something very similar to this as part of the six day creation study. The part about the 3 human races (Black, White, and Asian) refers to Noah's 3 sons in Genesis 9:18-29. Ham is thought to represent the Black race, Japheth the white race, and Shem the Asian race. (Here is an article on wiki about it.) I remember when Daniel Lee (the same Daniel that ed144) is referring to, taught this study and said that because of Noah's curse, Ham's decendants were prophesied to be slaves of Japheth and Shem's decendants (Genesis 9:24-27). He then referred to the time when slaves were brough over from Africa to the United States as evidence of it's fulfillment. I was shocked and immediately looked over to see the reaction from the handleful of black people in the room. But most of them just looked down. I thought it was the most racist and offensive thing I had ever heard at the wms.
loocpoc wrote:
shimon wrote:
My general area? you have never been to wyoming I am guessing.
Joshua wrote:
No confusion.
Can you give an example?
Actually I have. I was at F.E Warren AFB and the missle fields so Iam familiar with Cheyenne and its demographics. As Ive said earlier, white people are generally more not adapted to listening to the preaching unlike blacks and hispanics who are more willing to listen.
Well I rarely see nonwhite people to be honest. And I know it isn't about where we preach because that is about 90% of the time I see nonwhites besides being at church.
loocpoc wrote:
You cannot just butt in on other ministries even if they are false.
How are these ministries false? They dont claim to have seen the "second" or "third" or "twenty-fifth" coming. Many are willing to help poor and needy people (rather than preach in lilly white neighborhoods) because its what they believe.
They teach a false Gospel. and again we don't preach in "lilly white" neighbourhoods
loocpoc wrote:
shimon wrote:
My general area? you have never been to wyoming I am guessing.
Joshua wrote:
No confusion.
Can you give an example?
Actually I have. I was at F.E Warren AFB and the missle fields so Iam familiar with Cheyenne and its demographics. As Ive said earlier, white people are generally more not adapted to listening to the preaching unlike blacks and hispanics who are more willing to listen.
Well I rarely see nonwhite people to be honest. And I know it isn't about where we preach because that is about 90% of the time I see nonwhites besides being at church.
loocpoc wrote:
You cannot just butt in on other ministries even if they are false.
How are these ministries false? They dont claim to have seen the "second" or "third" or "twenty-fifth" coming. Many are willing to help poor and needy people (rather than preach in lilly white neighborhoods) because its what they believe.
They teach a false Gospel. and again we don't preach in "lilly white" neighbourhoods
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