"The True WMSCOG" on Missionary Ron Ramos Explains Why He Left the WMSCOG After 12 Years

  • #61499

    Love'n Honey
    Participant

    Yea.. I looked into the bible and it doesn't say anything either way. It mentions someone, I think God, ripping open pregnant women and someone else was going to be burned after finding out she was pregnant from prostitution. But nothing specifically about abortion. I think in order for it to be murder, the "baby" has to be considered a living being. And the bible says life is in the blood so I guess it's safe to say when the "baby" has blood flowing through it, it also has life and after that point an abortion would be considered murder. That's my opinion.

    #26203

    Love'n Honey
    Participant

    Yea.. I looked into the bible and it doesn't say anything either way. It mentions someone, I think God, ripping open pregnant women and someone else was going to be burned after finding out she was pregnant from prostitution. But nothing specifically about abortion. I think in order for it to be murder, the "baby" has to be considered a living being. And the bible says life is in the blood so I guess it's safe to say when the "baby" has blood flowing through it, it also has life and after that point an abortion would be considered murder. That's my opinion.

    #61500

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    'He is guilty of the child's blood." So this means the unborn spirit is life. Therefore, regardless of how or who takes the baby away (abortion), it is "child's blood" which obviously means something to God. If a pregnant woman gets into an accident and loses her child it is an accident and not an intentional act (abortion). Rape or not, it is still murder. A lie is a lie, right? No half lie or so, right?

    #26204

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    'He is guilty of the child's blood." So this means the unborn spirit is life. Therefore, regardless of how or who takes the baby away (abortion), it is "child's blood" which obviously means something to God. If a pregnant woman gets into an accident and loses her child it is an accident and not an intentional act (abortion). Rape or not, it is still murder. A lie is a lie, right? No half lie or so, right?

    #26205

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    renita.payno wrote:

    Yea.. I looked into the bible and it doesn't say anything either way. It mentions someone, I think God, ripping open pregnant women and someone else was going to be burned after finding out she was pregnant from prostitution. But nothing specifically about abortion. I think in order for it to be murder, the "baby" has to be considered a living being. And the bible says life is in the blood so I guess it's safe to say when the "baby" has blood flowing through it, it also has life and after that point an abortion would be considered murder. That's my opinion.

    Yes, I heard you mention that before. 

    #61501

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    renita.payno wrote:

    Yea.. I looked into the bible and it doesn't say anything either way. It mentions someone, I think God, ripping open pregnant women and someone else was going to be burned after finding out she was pregnant from prostitution. But nothing specifically about abortion. I think in order for it to be murder, the "baby" has to be considered a living being. And the bible says life is in the blood so I guess it's safe to say when the "baby" has blood flowing through it, it also has life and after that point an abortion would be considered murder. That's my opinion.

    Yes, I heard you mention that before. 

    #61502

    Love'n Honey
    Participant

    Sarah, I'm online and need to talk.. =(

    #26206

    Love'n Honey
    Participant

    Sarah, I'm online and need to talk.. =(

    #26207

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    lol… ok. Was about to step into the Twilight Zone. I'm on. 

    #61503

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    lol… ok. Was about to step into the Twilight Zone. I'm on. 

    #26208

    144000
    Participant

    Sarah2013

    Do not add to the words of the bible.

    The bible does not say "if a woman with the intention of miscarriage she is guilty of the child's blood". And there are no other commandments concerning unborn children other than the malicious act of a murderer in that context alone and in no other context.

    You seem to underestimate how painstakingly thorough the Old Testament laws were, literally everything under the sun that God cares about is covered in the laws. If a woman self-aborts, or a medical neccessity requires abortion, or any other type or reason for inducing miscarriage happens, it is not covered in the bible.

    Being "guilty of blood" is not universal, in fact you are only guilty in the methods described by God. You are not guilty of blood for defending yourself, you are not guilty of blood for going to war, you are not guilty of blood

    IN FACT

    God explicitely ENDORSES abortion in the case of an unfaithful wife:

    Numbers 5:11-31

    The priest is to administer a poison to the woman, and if she has been unfaithful the poison will kill the baby in a very graphic fashion and possibly her too.

    BUT

    This is no longer the Old TEstament. Jesus never talked about abortions, and Jesus as God never declared any interest as to a stance on the subject.

    #61504

    144000
    Participant

    Sarah2013

    Do not add to the words of the bible.

    The bible does not say "if a woman with the intention of miscarriage she is guilty of the child's blood". And there are no other commandments concerning unborn children other than the malicious act of a murderer in that context alone and in no other context.

    You seem to underestimate how painstakingly thorough the Old Testament laws were, literally everything under the sun that God cares about is covered in the laws. If a woman self-aborts, or a medical neccessity requires abortion, or any other type or reason for inducing miscarriage happens, it is not covered in the bible.

    Being "guilty of blood" is not universal, in fact you are only guilty in the methods described by God. You are not guilty of blood for defending yourself, you are not guilty of blood for going to war, you are not guilty of blood

    IN FACT

    God explicitely ENDORSES abortion in the case of an unfaithful wife:

    Numbers 5:11-31

    The priest is to administer a poison to the woman, and if she has been unfaithful the poison will kill the baby in a very graphic fashion and possibly her too.

    BUT

    This is no longer the Old TEstament. Jesus never talked about abortions, and Jesus as God never declared any interest as to a stance on the subject.

    #61505

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    Nope. That's not my job. My job here is to stop people from adding to the bible. I was merely quoting you and generalizing what you stated. 

    #26210

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    Nope. That's not my job. My job here is to stop people from adding to the bible. I was merely quoting you and generalizing what you stated. 

    #61506

    144000
    Participant

    Numbers 5:11-31

    Read it.

    #26212

    144000
    Participant

    Numbers 5:11-31

    Read it.

    #61507

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    144000 wrote:

    Numbers 5:11-31

    Read it.

    Like I said. I stop people from adding to the bible. 

    #26213

    Sarah2013
    Participant

    144000 wrote:

    Numbers 5:11-31

    Read it.

    Like I said. I stop people from adding to the bible. 

    #26218

    144000
    Participant

    Sarah2013

    No, your on a delusional crusade and you refuse to accept that some people believe other things than you do.

    A Jew will go blue in the face telling a Christian that they are liars who are misinterpreting the bible and "Adding" to it. Does that make them right?

    You forget your place, and you know a lot less than you think. God bless you and goodbye.

    #61508

    144000
    Participant

    Sarah2013

    No, your on a delusional crusade and you refuse to accept that some people believe other things than you do.

    A Jew will go blue in the face telling a Christian that they are liars who are misinterpreting the bible and "Adding" to it. Does that make them right?

    You forget your place, and you know a lot less than you think. God bless you and goodbye.

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